Why do Americans and Indians make such bad programmers?

>>61813926
this.

>>61813926
Nogs and Dravidians

>>61813926

>USA

>invented every single thing on the internet

>ranked 28th

>>61813961
>>USA
>>invented every single thing on the internet
So this is the power of American ``education`` system

>>61813961

>invented every single thing on the internet
This is what Americans actually believe. Like some even believe they won the war in Vietnam.

>>61813926
>Poland
>ranked 3rd
>be from Poland
>be good
>only a junior tho
>earn 3k PLN/month working full time
>It's less than 1k$
>feels bad

>12th
not bad

>France is eighth
I thought we were shit.

>>61814004
It was a conflict, not a war.

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>>61813926
>tfw #31

>>61814025
And the mental gymnastics award goes to....

>>61814025

Those aren't mutual exclusive. It was a conflict and more specifically and armed conflict AKA "war".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

>Pakistan at bottom
At least we made it in I guess

>>61814025
Ah, so the U.S. ''education" system switched from lying to just downplaying. Interesting.

>>61814004
But the us government did create the Internet, they funded people but it was still them , it's okay to be jell and go by a chat that is call hacker ranked lel

>>61814119
>>61814099
>>61814094
keep them (you)s coming, I have kids to feed

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Our culture mocks overt enthusiasm for education and glorifies the poor and criminals. This probably has the affect of our colleges pumping out second rate professionals.

>>61814131
World wide web was created at CERN.

Americans did nothing more than connect computers with wires. I could connect cups with string, doesn't mean I could call myself the inventer of voicemail.

>>61813926
Because we're too busy having fucking jobs and contributing to society to spend time on fucking hacker rank

>>61814157
>Our culture mocks overt enthusiasm for education
Yeah this is true. People that are willing to learn and explore the deepest corners of science are now "fedora tipping autists"

>>61814189
>implying the WWW is shit without TCP/IP

suck a dick, fucking commie

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>>61814189
>he thinks the internet = www

>>61813926
>Italians
>10 position
I guess we're good at making spaghetti code

>>61814189
Sure kid

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>>61813926
>2. Russia
>3. Poland
>5. Hungary
>9. Czech
4 out of 10 best nations are Slavs. Why are Slavs so good at software engineering?

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>>61813926
>38th
Well, at least we're better than Argentina though, that's a relief...

>>61814357
the cockroach worker mentality of Asians plus the whiteness of westerners

>>61814273
cute snek

>>61813961
>invented every single thing on the internet
Half of the important stuff is from Europe.

>>61814357
I think they have a better maths curriculum overall.

It's not just the teachers, most of the pre-uni teaching materials I've seen in Western Europe and the USA (arguably I've not seen them systematically) were quite garbage.

>>61814357
Discipline.

>>61813926
אוי ואי ישראל רק במקום ה35? גוים רעים רימו.

>>61814119
Post the Declaration of War. I'll wait.

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>>61814397
> 4. Switzerland
> Discipline
More like knowing what you want and how you get it in our case.

Not regardless of one's desires, but just in pursuit of one's desires...

>>61813926
>poland
>russia
>coding "slav magic" is actually fucking real

I've been saying it for ages as a half-joke, but goddamnit, it's fucking true

>>61814392
>Half of the important stuff is from Europe.

facebook, google, instagram, 4chan, reddit, yahoo, youtube, wikipedia, amazon are all from the US.

>>61814099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

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>>61813926
41...

>>61814230
>TCP/IP
You mean the thing that's full of security flaws?
https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/papers/acsac-ipext.pdf
And on its way out?
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2602109/lan-wan/ucla-cisco-more-join-forces-to-replace-tcpip.html
lol

>>61814487
>being this retarded
>tripfag
Checks out.

>>61814487
>Implying any if those is important

>>61814528
>ucla-cisco

>>61814568
Actually it's the National Science Foundation but don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.
>The NDN effort has been backed in large part by the National Science Foundation, which has put more than $13.5 million into it since 2010. Since that time, participating organizations have somewhat quietly been working on new protocols and specifications, including a new packet format, that have been put through their paces in a testbed that spans from the United States to Asia. Their aim is to put forth an Internet architecture that's more secure, able to support more bandwidth and friendlier to app developers. Cryptographic authentication, flow balance and adaptive routing/forwarding are among the key underlying principles.

>>61814585
my opinion is we will still be using freedom tech

>>61814487
>Americans think making websites is inventing
kek

>>61814677
>sour grapes

>>61813926
Americans : laziness, elitism, being raised sheltered, too much 'feelducation' over learning facts.

Indians : quantity over quality, with so many of them graduating with CS degrees, its basic probability that dictates most will be shit, yet also giving a higher probability of god-tier programmers as well. In terms of the pure number of good developers, India is up there with China and Russia.

>>61814702
Making a 2chan clone is not invention, dumb burger muncher

>>61814455
I didn't shit on your face, it was "facial defecation"

>>61814788
still waiting

>>61814677
>You're posting on an American website
I'd bet good money you've seen that typed out by burgers on more than one occasion. They really are a strange bunch of people.

>>61814357
Too busy survivng to care about diversity and niggers.

>>61814191
this. other countries waste time on unimportant bullshit theory. americans get shit done.

>>61814873
>You're posting on an American website
in an*
Jesus Christ is your education system THAT bad?

>>61814392
>I think they have a better maths curriculum overall.
True and the ridiculous thing about it's it's thanks to communism.
Commies put stress on muh sciences because they believed reducing the role of humanities will turn people into drones devoted of nationalist sentiments.

>>61815092
That can't be right, commienism only brought death and suffering

>>61815154
Death to loudmouthed idiots? We need that back.
Suffering? I don't think my parents with a state gifted apartment, free healthcare, 13 paychecks and good local crime prevention would agree, in fact they say it's far worse now.

Best of all no LGBT subhumans.

>>61815154
It works in Denmark

>>61815203
Bring Tito back.

At least brazil is better than argentina on that.

VISEGRÁD STRONG REMOVE CURRY

>>61815048
Shiiieeeeet just imagine how Pakistani guys get their shit done

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>>61815209

>>61813926
>which countries are the best at cheating
FTFY

>>61815289
Course it's not free. But they get good value. How much tax do americans pay, and the education is still awful, the police are brutal shitlords, the roads are full of holes, the internet infrastructure is garbage, and you still have to pay for healthcare. "Muh insurance" doesn't count when there are clauses in it that literally say they don't have to pay you for your healthcare if you meet one of a million little sideclauses, one of which is being too expensive to treat.

>>61814357
because eastern yurop is europe's china
you must be the best of the best, work unpaid overtime and get paid slightly above minimum wage, plus go in during weekends

>>61815311
How many anti-depressents does it take to be happy in the """""best""""" country?

>>61815334
Please tell me more about my motherland, I wanna hear more stereotypes.

>>61814357
>>61814384
>>61814392
>>61814397
>>61815334
Nah, it's mainly what >>61814999 said. Pretty much all of population is white, and is in a couple of ways fairly conservative, even the far left. There are no diversity quotas to fill, no blacks to use welfare, no getting sent to prison or fined for being 'racist' or 'misogynistic' like in some west countries or burgerland. Also, the feminazis are quickly shot down by actually successful woman in high positions in academics as well as big companies. We do have our share of problems though, especially with the current governments trying to shit over us, but still, I prefer that for 2 more years till the end of president's term than living in burgerland.

>>61815289
>hurr it's aint really free
Everyone knows that it's paid for by taxes shitfuck. Denmark is still a sensational place to live and do business and if paying marginally higher taxes creates this paradise then sounds like a good reason to raise taxes.

>>61815476
yeah it's the Mississippi of Europe, sans niggers

>>61815289
We pay 8% tax on everything.
Then we have a deductible minimum which we can increase in many ways.
The money you earn above this is taxed by 38%.
If you make a lot of money, they tax the top of your income further.
But you can just increase your deductible minimum if you want to evade this part.
So most people pay 46% of the majority of their pay, but they don't pay 46% of all their income.
When you buy stuff, there is a 25% VAT, but that just means everything is expensive.

As for "everything is free", it sort of is.
When I was 21, I decided to quit my job and get an education.
My parents didn't have money to help me out and I couldn't work very much while I studied.
I lived on my own in a small apartment I rented. I had no savings.
6 years later I now have a masters degree and a city that is begging me to work for them.

I have no debt. I got money to study, which paid for food and a place to live, I worked full time during summer breaks and part time for the university during the semesters which is why I have enough saved to make the initial payments for an apartment as I want to buy rather than rent now.

And if that means I have to pay 46% taxes now that I am done, so be it.

>>61815623
sure, be a long-term wageslave instead of a short term borrower, take your antidepressants today, Hanz?

>>61815729
The absolute state of Debtistan.

>>61814869
It being an unconstitutional illegal war doesn't make it better, Anon.

>>61815745
still waiting

>>61814116
yay?

>>61815268
the ranking is literally meaningless. it's a site meant to help you practice interview questions. the countries with high scores are probably trying really hard to get a job in and move to the US. makes a lot of sense for china to be first then.

Americans are more concerned about nonsense like gender equality, racism and diversification while Indians are too large in number in IT so the average is down, they're also stupid but most countries are like that

>>61814009
Apply for other jobs, especially remote ones (like on Remote.com). Salaries there might not be as hot for a US/UK developer, but for Poles it's fucking skits.

Trying to find one for myself. If you know your shit and can document it in any way, you shouldn't have much of a problem finding one. Probably you'll have to become self-employed and be a VAT payer, but even with having to pay small accounting company and ZUS every month you'll still probably earn shitton for a Pole.

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>>61813926
https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/

>>61813926
Maybe it's because only communists are so stuck in the 1980s that they don't have "new" technology like digital cameras and still use film.

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>>61814357

FYI Hungary is one of a kind, not even close to be slav.

>>61815826
ill pay you to install Gentoo for me

>>61813926
Hi I'm jack from the USA and I can only agree with you. We are stupid and the inferior country.

>>61814528
>want to replace TCP/IP
>when we haven't even migrated to ipv6
LOL

>>61815861
IPv6 is still TCP/IP.

>>61814119
God damn I'm sick and tired of the demoralization re-education program churning out a billion shitheads like you.

The Vietnam war was politically clusterfucked due to the bleeding heart fucksticks convincing their representative politicians to take away financial support. There was a massively vocal minority, much like we see extremist "SJW"s or "Alt-Right"s today.

Stop being jealous of whatever it is the USA makes you jealous of, grow a backbone and live your life positively.

>>61815826
>you'll have to become self-employed and be a VAT payer
Czy to jest tego warte? t. polski programista na umowie o dzieło za komfortowe 8k netto miesięcznie (a pracuje w tej firmie dopiero pierwszy rok), dobrowolne ubezpieczenie zdrowotne i jest fajnie wtedy. Warto zakładać działalność i bawić się w ZUSy, inne podatki, księgowość i cały ten jazz dla paru k więcej, odliczenia VATu i możliwość leasingu?

>>61813926
>they are
it's they're...

>>61815334
Funny, I don't experience any of this. Unless you think all we do is gamedev. In that case, look at every other country with gamedev market, cunt, and show me any that's different

>>61815938
Wszystko zalezy od sytuacji. Niektórzy są w stanie wyciągnąć dzięki temu efektywny podatek 15%, a przez pierwsze 2 lata masz circa 200 zl ZUSu. Dosc czasu, zeby zalozyc spółkę zoo albo ekwiwalent za granicą i mieć bufor finansowy, gdyby np. fiskus chciał położyć łapy na Twojej kasie. Plus dostajesz pensję w euro/funtach/dolarach, stabilniejsza waluta od złotówki.

And mate, it's an english board, let's avoid using any other language.

It's well known that the US has thr best and worst of everything. We do poorly at averages, but the mean deviation is extreme.

>>61816317
You're the best at bad things and the worst at good things. So you're technically correct. You can't get your population basic healthcare but you can have the universal high score in incarceration rates.

>>61815729
Working life is also pretty good.
We have a 37h work week, 6 weeks paid vacation plus holidays and if you get laid off, you get about half your normal salary while you are looking for work.
If you become a parent, you get time off for that as well.
I don't see how this is slavery.

>>61816697
You're automatically not free if you live outside of Burgerland

>>61813926
>HackerRank challenges

whatever those are

>>61815356
None if you ignore the state and become a criminal. They only catch the low hanging fruit, anyway. Cops are fucking retarded.

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>>61813926
American/British/Indian programmers actually have jobs and don't spend all day farting around on Pajeet recruiting sites doing programming challenges

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>>61816043
Nie. Ten board służy do postowania anime.

when I was in high school, there was no programming class. I took the "internet class" and made a shitty website using Dreamweaver

>>61816926
Aj nedrkaj.

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>>61816941
What was that?
Sorry, I don't speak russian.

>>61817022
It's French

>>61816918
>Poo
>>>/loo/

>>61817065
What's the difference?

>>61813961
You're taught to believe that. They also bought a lot of software from other countries and popularised it. This always resulted in them shitting it up, though.

>>61816697
Giving half you salary away to the gunning for your entire life comes pretty close.

>>61814189
>Americans did nothing more than connect computers with wires.
Also created the protocols so the wires can be used

>>61817115
So any amount of taxes means it is not worth working to you?

>>61814585
>>61814528
>replacement comes from America as well
L - O - L

>>61814392
>It's not just the teachers, most of the pre-uni teaching materials I've seen in Western Europe and the USA (arguably I've not seen them systematically) were quite garbage.
Finland has the best education system in the world

>>61817145
Why work if the gubmint is going to support you? And I can make my own economic decisions just fine with out the nanny state dictating what is right and proper.

>>61814458
What the fuck.

>>61817234
Society would collapse if nobody worked, look at Greece.
Having a job gives you a better economy.
Having a job challenges you and gives you a good and stable life.
I would rather kill myself than lie on a couch all day

>>61814458
Laura best girl.

>>61815840
>trap62
What's the source of this?

>>61814009
I know a dutch company desperate for devs and will hire foreigners. interested ?

(you will need to submit to slave labour, but thats part of the "expirience")

>>61817305
But you are living in a majority white nation.

brb moving to Japan because now there's even more reason to do so

>>61814357
Leftover of Soviet STEM prestige. STEM was a surefire, safe, somewhat apolitical and relatively well "paid" job in the USSR. It made a lot of sense if you were poor.

>>61817390
Exactly.
Not working is fine if you
a) are sick
b) are old
c) are actively looking for a job

>>61814517
Australia probably steals most of your good devs, sorry mate.

>>61814189
>I could connect cups with string, doesn't mean I could call myself the inventer of voicemail.

yes it does.

>>61813926
Low math education
To solved problems in HackerRank need good know solved math problems and formal proof introduction.

>>61817421
Your little socialist paradise would collapse if it were 40% niggers and illegal spics. And we wouldn't be having this conversation if the US didn't finance your defense from the ebil commies, while you experimented with social liberalism.

>>61814193
im not sure building your own fuckable anime pillow is considered the deepest corner of science.

>>61817457
Holy fuck this is one butthurt burger NEET.

>>61817457
Reminder that USA would be white if it wasn't 60% white.

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>>61817519
Reminder: we would still be 90% white if we didn't start importing the trash of the world back in the 60's. Luckily, Europe is following our lead.

>>61817457
>Your little socialist paradise would collapse if it were 40% niggers and illegal spics
The system requires a lot of people to pitch in.
If the assumption is that those people wouldn't, then we would have to cut our benefits as well.
>And we wouldn't be having this conversation if the US didn't finance your defense from the ebil commies, while you experimented with social liberalism
I don't think Germany or the UK wants to start a new war in Europe, so I think we are safe.

>>61813926
>20: romania
What the fuck, gypsies have internet access?

>>61813926
what do they mean by best? how is that determined?

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>>61817505
Self employed, and 7 people work for me. Try harder.

>>61817567
Totally.

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>>61817567
wrong pic fuck me

>>61817555
Romania has one of the fastest internet in Europe.

Internet fraud is a major part of their economy.

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>>61817545
>yurop is one country
How about no

>>61817594
the fastest*

Americans have low genotypic intelligence that's heavily overinflated by a school system that trains them to take standardized tests.

> second place
Nice.

>>61814458
This guy is living it.

>>61813926
why is china 1st?

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>>61817567
>>61817586
Your daughter?

doing a comp sci master's degree in Denmark
how can I stay here and work and pay minimum taxes??

>>61817545
Good thing i don't live in Germany or UK

>>61817685
If you just work, then you won't be able to get around paying taxes.
Get a company if you want to not pay taxes.

>>61815209
>denmark
>communism
We practice civic nationalism and social democracy you moron.

>>61817701
>>61817597
You don't have borders anyway, one they are in, they can go wherever

>>61813926
That misleading graph is pretty cute.

China is at the top because their dev's haven't made anything and are available to participate. Us dev's are low because they are employed with good compensation or are occupied on projects that requires full focus. The best are not competing with the best here, it's the best available vs the best available.

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>>61813961
>kernel is developed by a Finnish\Swedish guy
>http/html by a Brit
>C++ by a Danish
>Python by a Dutch
>.rar .7zip and nginx by some Russia sukas

And here are some of glorious US contributions:
>C
>tcp/ip
but then suddenly
>windows
>java
>js

And thx a lot to Canada for hosting the creator of php.

>>61813926
it's because nobody likes poo on their keyboard

now, what i actually wanted to write:
WTF WHY ARE DEVS IN THE US GETTING PAID 2X+ OF WHAT YOU CAN MAKE HERE IF THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE REEEEEE


... was planning to move to US for them $$ anyway, but didn't know you guys were that bad. Senior position here i come.

>>61814528
You some special kind of dumb, must be from Europe

>>61815763
Wanting to win a discussion so badly you go out on a tangent and try to win on a technicality.

We'll let you have your cake buddy. Enjoy it :^)

>>61815054
Damn this a tech messaging board with pictures and you're trying correct this English . You got them, man

>>61818171
I'm sorry my facts triggered you.

>>61817085
there is non

>>61818272
>facts
It was a war regardless if you declared it or not.

If they wanted their graph to be believable, they shouldn't have let China get a perfect score.

@61818601
Adjust your bait to /g/'s level.
This isn't /b/.

>>61814025
kek, where is that usa wins 1-1 saigon edit when you need it

>>61815289
Wow they have a lower corporate tax than America. I guess Denmark is a Capitalist utopia.

>Australia literally way ahead of the US.

We have to fucking code upside down and regularly deal with dropbears and we're still fucking you up.

1-800-GET-A-GRIP, or have you got such a strangle on trump's dick you've lost your way.

>>61815289
The taxes are surprisingly low compared to America.
I guess if you don't have corruption it's enough.

>>61818067
>java is bad meme
>python isn't a flaming pile of garbage
What?

>Hong Kong
>Country

Invalid

>>61813926
They have a higher percentage of woman going into CS. Those woman than go to HackerRank in an attempt to validate themselves and as a result drag down the average.

>hacker rank
>in any way indicative of developer quality

List of european technology and websites I use:
surdo memes

>>61821332
People here treated them as if they were results from the Olympics.

This is not indicative of the best of best vs best of best.

Then there is no method to find out where these people fall in the spectrum for x nations coding ability.

>>61813926
>New Zealand 41st
Churrrrrr

>>61822473
But I thought every company only hired the best people anon!!!

>>61815289
if instead of "Free education" they would say "Cheaper education" would you really care?

Americans have better things to do than coding on a shitty website >for free because they hope that an American company will sponsor their visa to get out of the shithole they live in.

Why do europoors love talking about Americans so much? I don't even think about you fags. I'm above you.

>>61818067
tcp/ip and C are far more well-designed systems than C++, Python, or nginx (nginx is decent tho)

>>61813926
>HackerRank stats

Means nothing

>>61813926

>good at doing competetive, self-contained, contrived programming questions
>literally no mention of sw engineering, architecture, design, development processes, testing, or maintenance
>can write illegible code that shits out the right answers for hackerrank's 20 test cases
>best developers

also consider the self-selection bias and how it's different in each country. in china, a lot of programmers will use hackerrank to practice for national competitions. in the us, which also contributes the most users, there's nowhere near the same competitive culture or focus on theory of algorithms/data structures/functional programming.

what i really wanna know, and what isn't covered in hackerrank's blog post, is the number of users from and the standard distributions of each country