what's his endgame /g/? was getting fired part of his plan?

>>61802645
He will die in an (((accident))) soon anyways, why bother with him.

>>61802645
As a white "man" and obviously a cuck his only endgame was to watch his career get cuckolded like the nasty little cuck that he is. Why else would anyone want to work at google if he wasn't into cuckolding?

>>61802677
>(((white man)))

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rich white conservative business man offers him a job. he refuses and instead uses the guaranteed money of his huge ass google severance package to work on his own startup that ultimately fails.

>>61802645
>what's his endgame /g/? was getting fired part of his plan?

He's a super nerd. He probably believes in science and reason, and that conflict can be solved by rationally discussing things.

An intelligent young man no doubt, but not intelligent or old enough to realize that logic and reason don't work in ideological warfare, specially against cultural marxists.

>>61802645
Maybe he thought he was so great that even the dumbest SJW would get his point..

He's going to sue for wrongful termination and he may have a legal leg to stand on there.

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>>61802773
>>61802774
hah, I think you guys are right. He should have taken the dilbert pill

>>61802747
If they fired him for violation of CoC there's probably a clause that ruins his severance package.

>>61802773
>He probably believes in science and reason
His memo was actually pretty retarded, but for reasons other than muh sexism. So he gave his bulldyke bosses casus belli to silence some wrongthink.

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>>61802645
>was getting fired part of his plan?

maybe

>>61802813
google will bleed him dry in court, though.

we all knew what was going to happen as soon as "they" labeled his writing a "manifesto"

>>61802773
how dare he uses logic,reason and evidence that is tool of the patriarchy. also that hurts the women's FEELINGS AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ABOUT EMOTIONS.

>be right
>get fired
such is the world, should live in lies all the time

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>>61802773
This. The only way to stop commies is with a bullet to the back of the head.

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>>61802887

What he wrote prevented women from going into work due to how threatening his writing was you fucking shitlord

>>61802912
it must be fucking amazing to have problems like this
it's like they live on a different planet

>>61802747
>getting fired over disciplinary shit
>severance

>>61802645
>write anti sjw memo
>send it to lots of sjw's in your sjw company
surely he wasn't expecting a promotion.

>>61802912
>prevented women from going into work

No, white women being lazy subhuman scum that know they can make up any reason to avoid working and still get paid is what stopped them going in to work.

>>61802887
>>61802909
>>61802912
At this point I'm pretty sure these threads are a thinly veiled excuse for /pol/ to astroturf.
You have to be supremely new to think social justice is the main problem Google has and not the fact that its existence has long since been a threat to human dignity.

Truth is a hate crime these days. Sad but true

>>61802645
>Look like that
>Write a manifesto

Didn't he learn anything from Jerry Maguire?

>>61802773
except his science and reasoning were bunk you fuckin moron

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>>61802912

As he correctly pointed out, women on average are higher in neuroticism so it's not surprising that some of them have a mental breakdown when confronted with a different opinion that they fail to comprehend.

This ugly cunt looks exactly like someone who'd write what he wrote. Could have drawn a picture of him. Everyone should have seen it coming.

Can this shit fuck off to /pol/ already

>>61803009
>we are living in a cyberpunk dystopia

whole else super comfy here?

He should have come prepared with hard science connecting sexual dimorphism in the brain with large framed glasses and an Indian accent. Otherwise it's hard to accept the notion that a woman couldn't succeed in the tech industry.

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>>61802855
Protip: If you know you are about to be fired from any job over subjective bullshit, preemptively file a complaint against the company with the NRLB.
When they actually can your ass, you can claim it was in retaliation for your complaint and you can sure them for lots of money.

>>61802645
The manifesto looked somewhat entry level as if he just discovered Jordan Peterson. He will be on Jordan's youtube page later today, so he will be able to engage with someone who inspired him, if that's worth anything.

He's getting offers from conservative media outlets and maybe he desires to be some sort of tech-political figure, then use that momentum to have a jump start to a currently developed or yet to be developed company.

The guy is far from dumb, if you look at his accolades, he doesn't seem like someone who does something and has no idea what might come afterwards. That's an essential proponent of chess, where he was heralded in as a child. He seems quite far from impulsive and is a somewhat calculated person.

So yes, there is a great possibility getting fired and creating a publicity wildfire to garner a following was a part of his plan.

>>61802645
He's just autistic.

>>61802971
this isn't like the was caught faking time sheets or stealing staplers. it's a subjective code of conduct and corporate culture related firing.

But it's a moot point since he says he's suing anyway.

>>61803101
>He will be on Jordan's youtube page later today
but google blocked jordan peterson from uploading
BTW ITS NOT CENSORSHIP HURDUR FREE SPEECH DOESNT APPLY TO COMPANIES

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>>61802985
Communists are hated by everyone except for other communists. As a libertarian I have more in common with neo nazis than I do with commie filth that's trying to destroy the world. People resisting them isn't just "muh /pol/".

>a tech gamer white guy writes anti-woman manifesto
>4chan idiots think he's some calculating mastermind
it's like you faggots are trolling yourselves at this point

>>61802645

He must have known it was 50/50 he would be fired for. Maybe he has an idea for his own startup.

>>61803167
google the difference between big L Libertarian and little l libertarian and come back when you have a fuckin clue

>>61803153
Ummm friend, he got his account back and uploaded a video 6 hours ago. You really have to make sure you are up to date on things and have the proper knowledge.

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>>61803081

I don't know. I kinda always envisioned it to involve a lot of neon lights and Asians, but all we're getting over here is Muslims, Africans and a slow and depressing decline of what was once a beautiful society.

I'm a little disappointed in my dystopia so far desu.

>>61802645
the end game is a white man getting tired of sjw libtards sharing credit for his work

>>61803083
not that hard all he had to to do is post this link that shows women are mentally inferior to men.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969295/

>>61803223
try harder faggot

>>61803174
>Grrrr, I dislike this guy passionately, he disagrees with me therefore he must be grossly incompetent and I should ignore all prior accolades while assessing him

You could state it's improbable, but it's far from impossible. I hope one day you mature to a point where you catch yourself in an emotional state, then revert back to logic when articulating your thoughts/assessments.

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>>61803174
>anti-woman manifesto
You should read it because that's not what it is at all. The guy has a PhD in Biology from Harvard, so he's more than qualified to speak about the thing written in the memo.

>>61803252
Try not to shit yourself in a fit of tard rage.

>>61802645
kek. it looks precisely how i imagined him

nazi white supremacists BTFO

>>61803083
>>61803244
doesn't occur to you geniuses that he did but the (((media))) is censoring that part?

>>61803294
I was just joking around about Indians and hipster glasses.

>>61803223

what is 'her' name again

>>61803268
capitalism is what keeps 90% world population trying to invade the 10% overprivileged 1st world.

You don't cross Google and make it out a happy and sane man. His life is fucking ruined, and it has nothing to do with losing his job or his money.

this is a great thread about technology
fuuuuuck outta here /pol/

>>61803292
Looks like jew

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>>61802645
he's a big jew

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>>61803331
>small group of people work hard for what they have
>all of the parasites ask where their share is
>small group tells them to fuck off
>parasites cry and call them privileged
And that's the complete story of communism.

>>61803346
>Being so assblasted in a tech issue which doesn't pertain to your desired ideologies
>Trying to silence us.

Typical, way to emulate the thing a large majority of us are against in this thread, there are tons of other threads.

This is a landmark moment which could dictate the tech scene for an TBD period of time and/or create a ripple effect of events.

>>61803412
someone making a post on an equal platform doesn't qualify as trying to silence anything. stfu and and stay in your bedroom faggario

I read his memo and concluded that he deserved to be fired. His claims, regardless of being cited, are degrading towards women and he should have realized that biological roles is such an extreme topic that it doesn't belong in Google's internal forum. If I were him and wanted to challenge the diversity quotas, I would have asked other participants to convince me that the quotas are valuable.

Pls serious replies

>>61802909
>the soviets didnt win the winter war

>>61803401
>no understanding of global economics and the inter-dependencies

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>>61803459
Finns always win.

>>61803462
Pot calls the kettle black.

>>61803537
In your fantasy world maybe

>>61803462

>I can't be bothered to present an argument but here's me dismissing your post using greentext

61803445 (You)

Saying it doesn't belong here is asking for it's departure, which is asking for its deletion, which equates to silencing.

>>61802773
Sad but true

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>>61802645
It's all a part of KEK's prophecy....
Corporate seppuku leading up to the Grand happenings

>>61803224
This tbqh. A dystopia without neon lights is not worth living in.

>>61803577
>you can't silence us!!!
lol ur a try hard pussy dude

>>61802645
Can someone give me a quick rundown on this man?

>>61802854

Please elaborate.

61803637 (You)

You should take the time to reflect on yourself one day and how you present yourself to the world. Wish you brought more to the table and gave a better effort.

>>61803658
Guy wrote a memo for his other google coworkers about how there needs to be some actual discussion on how google's internal mindset is way too left and how people with a differing view shouldn't feel scared to say it without unjust repercussions. Some coworkers then proceeded to Literally Can't Even on twitter, which made it become a public issue. His memo was leaked onto the internet, some places spun the "THIS GUY IN GOOGLE LITERALLY THINKS WOMEN ARE DUMB AND SHOULDN'T BE HIRED." The guy is now fired from google, has been doxed, and is receiving death threats on twitter.

>>61803676
read the memo yourself. then maybe you'd agree or disagree instead of not understanding.

>>61802645
>implying that pleb had any plan to begin with
If he had a plan, it was to not get laid ever, but he didn't have to get fired to do that.

>>61802959
>>61802975
this

>>61802985
>fact that its existence has long since been a threat to human dignity.

Calm down Kaczynski.

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>>61803658
Honestly, this picture sums it up, if you know what the picture is about.

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>>61803554
>commies
>telling anyone else they live in a fantasy world

>>61803849
>implying im even a communist

>>61803718
anonymous messageboard asshat, also you aren't worth any effort fuckin nerd

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>>61803167
>Communists are hated by everyone except for other communists.
What the fuck does communism have to do with anything? This fiasco is exclusively about the office culture and policies of a for-profit capitalist enterprise. To pretend otherwise is no different from denying mass murders by the Soviet bloc. To even bring communism up is nonsensical and pointless, it has nothing to do with anything. Two things being shit doesn't mean those two things are the same. This is the exact kind of bullshit that the social justice cultists are pulling to begin with. It doesn't matter whether something is true, only whether it "feels" true. It "feels" like (commies|sexists) are oppressing me, which is what matters, not evidence, reasoning or my own psychological integrity.

Fuck, I bet this is the reason their post-structuralist insanity is so prevalent. They are just exploiting the stupid anti-reality sentiments that people already have and forcing them to choose between complacency and admitting to themselves that they might ever be wrong about anything. They are the logical conclusion of a society founded on narcissism.

>>61803762
Great reply

>>61803848

still 100% relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz1tumZOaqw

at 4:15

>>61803912
The whole fucking video is relevant.

Why did he sold us again?

>>61803762

I have read it, and I don't understand how you came to the conclusion "retarded", I would like you to elaborate on that. Not if you agreed with it or not, I'm interested in seeing what complains you had in regard to classify the memo as "retarded".

61803875 (You)
Reading your posts make me smile and increase my self esteem. Thank you for allowing me to have this dialogue and compare the two of us. You think you are achieving something with these posts, but from them you are reinforcing already established beliefs.

>>61803953
Why do people deny (You)s? You're still replying to them, they just have to make the effort to sift through the replies to find your own. It gives this feeling of you wanting to "win the fight" by default because the bypassed a reply. Ha ha, you got the last word, don't you feel so smart and good.

>>61803167
>As a libertarian I have more in common with neo nazis
Not if you're an actual libertarian, you don't. The true libertarian position is to view commies and nazis equally as scum.

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>>61803867
You sure do sound like one.

>>61803880
Because we're dealing with Marxists, and therefore communist policies and attitudes. It's a problem. Said attitudes are being turned into law, so unlike SJWs or whatever people like me have a valid argument. We are facing oppression by these systems, and I don't mean that in the typical, watered down crybaby way. I will not allow my children to be raised in an environment where they can be taken away and pumped full of hormones because some shrink thinks they're trannies at age 9.

>>61803848
Except Martin Luther was just a schizophrenic pissant that was buttmad about Catholics having coherent societies that aren't founded on an endless cycle of violence. Even Mormons are less retarded than Protestants.

It should be a bulldyke putting the paper up, then the analogy would work.

>>61803995
>1803995
another one that should google big L Libertarian and little l libertarian and stfu until they get a clue

>>61803935
This. I found the memo blandly reasonable, not retarded.

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>>61803995
This is wrong. Read the 25 point plan of the NSDAP and know your history.

>>61804040
>muh big and little dick
>waaaah
Leave.

>>61804052
it's cool man you just out yourself as a blathering dumbass when you talk about things you don't know

>>61804021
4chan needs a /bible/ - Bible Studies

>>61804016
>Because we're dealing with Marxists

I know that what you want is essentially inverse political correctness, so I will tread lightly for your sake: I am not a communist. I am not defending communists or communism. I do not think communism isn't complete shit. But the people ruining Google are not communists. Just because they are shit and communists are shit does not mean they are the same.

Social justice people are *postmodernists*. This "philosophical" movement was literally established on a rejection of Marxism as bad and wrong. This is an empirically verifiable and universally accepted fact that any postmodernist "philosopher" will not only readily admit, but boast about. Postmodernists have absolutely no qualms against capitalism, and in fact do not even care about economics for the most part.

The reason I am telling you this is because you cannot fight bullshit with more bullshit. If you do not understand your enemy, you cannot hope to defeat him.

>>61804075
>waaaaah u don kno
>u r stoopid
Leave.

It saddens me that unintelligent leftists came in here and resorted to their standard tactics. They're incredibly easy to identify based on their mannerisms and constant deflecting.

They have effectively derailed the thread and discussion, ignore bullshit and focus on worthwhile posts. They take consolation prizes with these tactics, even if you dismantle them it's enough for them to consider it a victory.

>>61804126
oh no am I triggering you here in your safe space stupidass dumbass

>>61804052
>Nazis are cool and awsum because Nazis say so
I bet you think SJW are actually advocates of civil liberty too.

>>61804144
Because >>61804126 is the height of intellectual integrity?

>>61804189
The same person did the exact same bullshit to me, ignore that retard. That's why I stopped giving (You)'s

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>>61803126
>moot
Who the fuck?

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>>61804107
Marxist ideology isn't really about economics. Communism is not an economic system. I'm just going off what was said by Marx himself. The idea behind communism is equality of outcome, whereas the idea behind a free market is equality of opportunity. The people you call "postmodernists" want all of the same things that communists want. They are Marxists, which is exactly why they've evolved, or should I say reverted into Antifa and friends. They tried hard to rebrand themselves but they're showing their true colors now.

>>61804152
>hurr durr u r le stoopidass dumass lelelelelelee
You have to leave.

>>61804156
I'd rather live under national socialism than communism. At least they're able to acknowledge the differences between men and woman and between races. The left is anti-science.

>>61804189
>>61804212
I smell butthurt.

>>61804229
anyone else disappointed that moot wasn't the google employee behind the "manifesto"?

>>61804212
>he's retarded so I get to be retarded too
is this the horseshoe theory meme that liberals like to babble about?

>>61804107
>I do not think communism isn't complete shit
then you are a retard

>>61804144
Kill yourself, bourgeois preppy scum.

>>61803153
Companies are considered persons in the US, so no, you cannot deny them free speech.

>>61804292
>imaginary friends are more real than people
USA, everyone!

>>61803537
>lose land
>win
epic, simply epic

>>61804231
You have to leave.

>>61804231
>The idea behind communism is equality of outcome

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm

>But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only -- for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored. Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal.

God forbid you actually take the time to understand what you are so obsessed about.

Communism is shit, but for reasons you are likely not intelligent enough to understand.

>>61804291
Look at this commie larper and laugh.

>>61804021
He didn't like that the church scammed people out of their money and that people couldn't study the religion on their own.
We would still be like the Muslim countries if it wasn't for his movement.

>>61803658
Reddit cringe on two legs.

>>61802747
Living the dream

>>61804107
This guy is right. A lot of people are mistaking the tool/weapon used (cultural marxism shit) with the actual beliefs and methods SJWs have. These people aren't mostly Communists because they benefit greatly from a capitalistic system and victim sympathy bucks. They are corrupt and deviant postmodernists, to whom cultural marxism is merely a tool to achieve their ends which have nothing to do with it.

Because look at the average SJW and tell me they really want a classless society where they lose all their victim privilege and attention and are no different than anyone else.

This is a postmodernism/cultural marxism hybrid, but the end goal isn't Communism, but rather more ways to exploit others for their own gain by playing on sympathy for apparent oppression.

>>61803845
Elaborate, I'm a Pole and I don't get it.
Did he say something about jewgle?

>>61804305
Fucking disgusting writing. Who could the this seriously?

>>61804441
>more ways to exploit others for their own gain by playing on sympathy for apparent oppression.
Market (((innovation))), everyone!

>>61804490
>muh feels > reals
The voice of reason, I see.
Also, kill yourself for phoneposting.

>>61804305
In that quote you provided, Marx was simply addressing the reality of people having different strengths and weaknesses. This does not actually adress my previous argument.

>>61804490
Mentally ill commies.

>>61804231
>The idea behind communism is equality of outcome
Educate yourself or shut up.

>>61804335
So, he was the RMS of Christianity and wanted to open source the Bible?

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>>61803912

These guys have a point to some extent and I applaud their good intentions, but:

>race and ethnicity doesn't matter it's all about the content of your character

is painfully naive. At least they are somewhat willing to acknowledge the importance of culture, but they seem to believe that it is independent of race/ethnicity which it isn't.

Yes, you cannot tell who/how a single person is by looking at his race/ethnicity but if you look at a large enough samplesize of individuals you can determine how ther average person is going to be, and conclude that you would rather have Koreans in your country than Somalians.

>>61804521
Its a huge rambling paragraph and makes no substantive point whatsoever. What value do you take from that writing?

So many internet sociologist, historians, political scientist

>>61804602
See
>>61804528

>>61803004
/pol/ will deny this, but it's true. Nowhere in his insane rant did you see anything of substance except for the delusional scribbles of a man who hated women and minorities. Not one source was sighted for his bold claim that women were biologically unfit for programming. Not one source was sighted for his claim that diversity weakened the company. Because valid sources for such claims do not exist, outside of fringe circles of long discredited scientists. It's sad that so many here hate women and hate minorities. I try to forget such hate excists, but it's not possible to ignore the hatred that women and minorities in the tech community face.

>>61804660
butthurt white nigger

>>61804688
Reread the quote. Can't help you more.

>>61804693

Did you even read it you fucktard

>>61804673
>I don't have a worthwhile opinion and can't compete
>Hold on I know, I'll dismiss their opinions due to lack of enshrinement from authoritative establishments

Not an argument, another deflection/dismiss tactic.

>>61804693
There was no source for those arguments because he never made them. Show me where he said women were unfit or that diversity was bad. It isn't very long, so cite what he said.

>>61804673
Most people don't need a sociologist to tell them that bigotry is immoral, they are going to do it anyway because they don't give a fuck.

>>61804693

>I can't be bothered to read 10 pages but let me talk out of my ass anyway: The post

>>61804724
He clearly implied women were biologically unfit for tech work. That they seek simpler social jobs.
>>61804736
>>61804707
Clearly you didn't read it.

Guys in a workplace will establish a normal chain of order and dominance.

With women its like a royal rumble in the dark with knives.

Unless they are autistic they won't be able to function on the same level as a group working on a single project.

>>61804602
>shut up about the things you're trying to overthrow in order to give your shitty neet life meaning
Naga.

>>61804665
>rambling
That's how everyone wrote in the 19th century, back when people were literate and had attention spans larger than the next tendie.
The preceding paragraph:
>In spite of this advance, this equal right is still constantly stigmatized by a bourgeois limitation. The right of the producers is proportional to the labor they supply; the equality consists in the fact that measurement is made with an equal standard, labor.
The succeeding paragraphs:
>But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society. Right can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby.
>In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly -- only then then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
tl;dr: Wage labor is necessarily inhumane because abilities and needs are unequal.
But so too will communism be, at first, for the same reason.
Not that I actually buy into Marx's labor (as an activity) fetishism.

>>61804715
>compete
kek, as if the (((marketplace))) of ideas were not every bit as slanted as every other marketplace

>>61802866
lawyers will pick up that case for little or no money for the publicity.

>>61804715
not all observations are arguments, sometimes they can be opinions just spoken outloud. fact that it struck you enough to out yourself as an uneducated fuckwit just talking to talk about things is all on your own merit

>>61804246
I knew it wasn't that nigga. Moots stormfront but he's discrete with it.

>>61803455
>I read his memo and concluded that he deserved to be fired. His claims, regardless of being cited, are degrading towards women and he should have realized that biological roles is such an extreme topic that it doesn't belong in Google's internal forum.

I agree. If I were him and wanted to tackle the diversity issue, I would have addressed it through a less controversial subject, like the nigger problem.

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>>61804462
Being this new
>kazynski

>>61803095
A Bagazillion Money!

>>61804778
>He clearly implied women were biologically unfit for tech work. That they seek simpler social jobs.

There's two possibilities here: Either you didn't read it and just read a few articles in which 'journalists' were giving you extremely distorted cliffnotes.

Or, you actually did read it in which case I'd advise you to read it again and this time more carefully since you clearly weren't capable of grasping even the main point of the text.

>>61803845
Kaczynski said nothing wrong.

>>61804854
>>kazynski
Who are you quoting?

>>61804844
It's funny how obvious which posts are yours, thanks for the smile.

>>61804645
that's why he made a german translation

>>61804878
Hello under-age
>does not know the unabomber and his manifesto

>>61804830
And they know he will WIN!

>>61804021
>>Except Martin Luther was just a schizophrenic pissant
This is what jews tell you because Martin Luther called jews out in strong terms.

>>61804528
>In that quote you provided, Marx was simply addressing the reality of people having different strengths and weaknesses. This does not actually adress my previous argument.

What argument? You are making unfounded accusations and backing them up with the assertion that they feel true to you. No one cares how you feel.

>>61804909
He was called kaczynski though.

>>61804917
>This is what jews tell you
And? The Jews are right in this particular case.

>>61802813
Please explain where distributing a 10 page manifesto at work criticizing company policies would not get an employee fired with cause.

>>61804704
I read the quote twice. It doesn't actually address my argument.

>>61804918
My argument is that Marxism promotes the equality of outcome, not the equality of opportunity. See >>61804688

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>>61803197
didn't he post it anonymously and someone ratted him? he might not have expected any of this

>>61803357
>>61803396
well he did attend harvard

>>61804917
MLK was a bitch ass nigga cuh, honorable brother Malcolm was enlightened and removed from the forefront of the movement due to his potentially dangerous rhetoric which put fear in the heart of the jew. The jew made MLK a martyr to make the black man submissive and refrain from starting black community owned businesses.

>>61804693
Is this trolling? I can't tell.

>>61804890
can recognize similar syntax when presented with a decent sample, congrats

>>61804975
>My argument is that Marxism promotes the equality of outcome, not the equality of opportunity.
Prove it. You have yet to rationalize how Marx's simple address of reality is in itself fundamentally opposed to social justice ideology. Cite evidence for your claims.

>>61804725
Bigotry is natural, just like masturbation. I disregard sociologists who tell me bigotry is immoral just like I disregard priests who tell me masturbation is immoral.

Who are they to dictate such things? A bunch of communist freaks and boy molesters. Fuck em both.

>>61804052
>Read the 25 point plan of the NSDAP
I have.
>and know your history.
I do.
What Nazis say doesn't matter. What they do matters. Communists said a lot of bullshit about wanting people to have liberty, too. When push comes to shove, though, commies usually create unfreedom. Same with Nazis.
So kindly go do some more reading yourself.

>>61804987
I'll take the bait.

Martin Luther you retard. Not Martin Luther King.

>>61805050
what's wrong dawg, u got autism

>>61805161
No "dawg", I'm afraid you have negroid genes.

>>61802854
vacuous nonpost

>>61805306
sorry shawty, u just dubbed down on that autisms

>>61805014
It's communism. You can look it up if you don't already know about this.

>>61805025
We were speaking about the ideologies, not the actions of the individual members of the groups or even the groups as a whole that are comprised of the people who follow those ideologies.
>b-b-but wurdz dont matter!
A majority of historians would disagree, since those words are compared and contrasted to actions inspired by them.

>>61805359
Kill yourself.

>>61802909
pretty ebin :---DDDD

>>61803095
stfu socialist

>>61802645
start the inevitable brain drain from Jewgle. Won't have a high impact on people who need the salary but senior level people with options will work at more rewarding places instead.

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>>61804975
>My argument is that Marxism promotes the equality of outcome, not the equality of opportunity
gonna need some proof on that pal

And don't give me something from Lenin (even though he wrote against "equality" of people in the way you are using it), give me something from Marx and Engels.

Your failure to do so up to this point kinda proves that you haven't read what you're talking about beyond maybe 2 pages of the Communist Manifesto (which contains 0 theory) and that you're parroting what other people say about Marxism.

I say this with good intentions: read a book, don't just learn about people from what gets said on the Internet about them. For example the people saying that the Frankfurt School promoted "degenarecy" haven't read any of the School's works, for if they did they would find that the forms of culture regarded as degenerate (going as far as jazz music) was heavily criticised by the Horkheimer and Adorno.

>>61804231
>The people you call "postmodernists" want all of the same things that communists want.
This is false, Communism is about communal control over the means of production and the abolition of private property.

>They are Marxists, which is exactly why they've evolved, or should I say reverted into Antifa and friends.
Antifa is an explicity anarcho-Communist group, which has different foundational thinkers than Marx.

>>61802773
>cultural marxists
Read.

>>61804341
this

>>61805363
>It's communism. You can look it up if you don't already know about this.
Funny, I did look it up, and I didn't find anything to support your claim. Cite me actual literature written by Marx and Engels; if you're having trouble finding the source you're meant to be citing online, most of it is on marxists.org. I'll be here man.

>>61803462
>cries globalism
You're in a nation, with boundaries and an economy for a reason, maybe you should study up on your short points.

>>61802645
>was getting fired part of his plan?
Of course
Google refused his offer in favor of the CEO's, we have to find out what he told them

>People are complaining about the guy being fired
He could have posted it wherever he wanted on the internet, but he chose to send it as an internal fucking memo, he deserves to get fired for being a retard

>>61802645
>>61802855
>>61802912
He's my new hero. I legit want to see what comes out of this.

>>61805475
internal memo is such an exaggeration. google has multiple internal messaging platforms they encourage their employees to use, he just happened to say something they didnt like.

>>61804305
>>61804918
>>61805014
it's an implicit assertion consequential from their old "class struggle" and now "demographic struggle" idea.
they used to claim capitalists confounded and abused the proletariat, and that is why they have more resources. their attempts to "wrest the means of production from the bourgeoisie and give it to the proletariat" failed horribly in the 20th century
they have since evolved and changed their approach. now they - as i said earlier - shifted to oppressor/opressee.
people who are "under represented" are the new proletariat the opressed, and successful/wealthy people are still the bourgeoisie and must have their positions and property stolen from them and redistributed in the name of equality. new to this edition of communism however is the partitioning along demographic lines.
instead of looking at "all poor people," nu-commies look at demographics who are "historically underrepresented" or "unintelligent" to put it in scientific terms. they endorse the theft of the means of production (high paying jobs and tax dollars) from the bourgeois (successful demographics eg men, whites, asians, and israelis to bring attention to the palestinian/israel position of the left) and give them to the proletariat (people with less privilege)

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>>61805836
>they used to claim capitalists confounded and abused the proletariat, and that is why they have more resources.
No. The reason why capitalists have capital is due to the transitions in Europe from the feudal mode of production to the capitalist one and the laws such as enclosure. The nobility class morphed into the capitalist class with many exceptions, of course.

>their attempts to "wrest the means of production from the bourgeoisie and give it to the proletariat" failed horribly in the 20th century
Read Badiou's "The Communist Hypothesis"

>they have since evolved and changed their approach. now they - as i said earlier - shifted to oppressor/opressee.
I see this said a lot, about this "shift" but as far as I'm concerned it's an aut-right talking point repeated in Youtube videos about "cultural Marxism". I don't have time for that shit.

>instead of looking at "all poor people,"
The Communists are concerned about the working class, regardless of how rich or poor you may be.

>they endorse the theft of the means of production (high paying jobs and tax dollars) from the bourgeois
You don't know what "means of production" means. There's a glossary at marxists.org.

>bourgeois (successful demographics eg men, whites, asians, and israelis to bring attention to the palestinian/israel position of the left)
No. When someone says "bourgeois" they are referring to people who own the means of production, not "successful demographics" of anything. They're not talking about rich people or the "1%", they're talking about people who actually materially own MoP.

Don't give me this unfounded BS because while others may not see through it (Peterson & "rational skeptics"), I do. Marxism isn't about "privilege", you're talking about the combination of identitarian movements with Communist ideas, and your attempts to confuse them (such as by claiming they take terms to mean different things) is completely false. Even to the "SJW commies", "bourgeois" means the same shit.

>>61805977
i'm not talking about your ephemeral, perfect beyond cost communist fantasy.
i'm talking about real world interpretation and implementation.

i don't have time to read "The communist hypothesis" before replying to your post.
posit some arguments and positions from the book if you want to convince me of anything rather than tell me to educate myself on your belief systems.

perhaps i am conflating "identitarian movements with Communism," but that conflation is all i see in the world. my eyes aren't trained to look into Plato's realm and observe the communist ideal.

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>>61806119
>i'm talking about real world interpretation and implementation.
Here's the thing; there are followers of a theory/hypothesis and then there are the people who make the theory/hypothesis, and there's a small group of people who understand the hypothesis. All of these are mutually exclusive; the majority of followers have no idea what they're talking about, because they don't look to the actual source of the hypothesis, they just ask their friends.

In the same way, the current Communist philosophers are actually surprisingly orthodox, or at least, not "SJWs". Take Zizek and Badiou for example, and the Marxists who focus more on economics (like Sweezy) and then the educators (like Harvey). Would I describe myself, being against many of the elements you (and I) seem to despise, as being politically incorrect? Probably, but I try to forge my own path. I've interacted with the kind of people you're talking about, and I think they are a majority.

But you give these groups too much credit. There's no "infiltraton" of them in academia for example. There's no "agenda" they've got going. They're not Jews (which for some reason seems to matter a lot). etc.

It's identity politics everywhere, on the left and right (though it's always been a part of the right). The point nevertheless is that Marx didn't want "equality of outcome", he merely wanted to advise that it is in the best interests of the working class to rise up against the system that forces them into a slave-like position. Did he say other stuff too? Yes, but nothing that people can get on a massive tirade about, so it stays ignored.

>>61806274
>facts are memes
k

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>>61806274

>>61804957
Tolerance in action

>>61806417
>>61806357
I just used a meme image, which was irrelevant to my point, because the rest of them I have make fun of centrists.
But humour me, what's the big Jewish plot?

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>>61804021

>Probably the crappiest interpretation of any historical event I have ever seen.
Where do people even get this shit from?

>>61806497
Turning everyone into poor mongrel slaves

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>>61806497

requesting the image showing the twitters of a bunch of trans/queer/communist/proudly bipolar Googlers

>>61804305

>Someone wrote a lot of gibberish, therefore, it is a legitimate ideology and not a complete fraud.
kys

>>61806274
>paragraph 1
i don't know about that. i'm not a certified philosopher or ideologue, so i have no reference for these 3 categories. this will be something i have to think on for a while before i can claim to perceive it.

>2nd paragraph
i'm not informed enough to talk about the positions of these people.
i do think i am informed enough about my environment to agree that the people i referenced earlier make up the majority of my interactions with "communists," by their own words.

>3rd paragraph
i haven't said anything like this or about this ITT
if you want to bring up this point, during the cold war, the soviets did fund and support "communist" intellectuals in the US (and other places) to be militant in their beliefs and use whatever authority they could gain to put other ideological supporters into positions of power. this was prevalent in the US university system, at least according to ex-KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov. No, the USSR was not "real communism," but it was real bad.
As of right now, i do not believe there is some grand and over-arching plot between communists to collude and destroy western civilization. i think there are a lot of people enthralled by a caustic ideology, and the method they employ to spread their ideology will necessarily lead to the fatal end of western civilization.
No I do not think there is a better alternative, save for one where we stick more fervently to western ideals.

>4th paragraph
equality of outcome being a part of communism came from the soviet treatment of the kulaks, and the cambodian genocide, and the maoist great leap forward

>company accused of and being sued for being sexist
>guy writes controversial memo about gender/race and distributes it internally
He can't have thought this was going to end well. He probably pissed a lot of his coworkers off, it'd be a nightmare to get other people to work with this dude. It's just a bad look for the company. Y'all can argue all you want about engineering details, you bring iffy opinions about other shit in you get fired, that's how it works.

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>>61806534
for this proofs are required

>>61806541
lol, a good portion of the Bolshevik Jews (which is not a group I even support) were non-practicing/secular Jews, in the same way Marx was a Jew, i.e by ancestry alone and frequently being critical of Judaism. Marx practically founded the phrase "Jewish Question" in his polemic agaisnt Judaism entitled "On the Jewish Question".

>>61806569
That's not what he's claiming, he's claiming that Marx was against this idea of "equality of outcome", which if you read the paragraph and subsequent Marxist thinkers, the contemporaries of Marx etc. you'd find is true.

>>61806574
Either way, I don't agree with "equality of outcome", but neither do I agree that mere "equality of opportunity" is sufficient, for if it were then many more people would have been able to amass capital. So this either shows that "equality of opportunity" is a bad idea, or we don't have equality of opportunity; it's clear that people are products of their surroundings and you can't dismiss history when considering what people are capable of. Currently the nature of private property means that equality of opportunity is utter BS.

On the contrary, I think Communism is what is needed to save "Western" civilisation from extreme commodification of culture which happens everywhere. If you're interested in that idea, Adorno's "The Culture Industry" is a good short read on it.

>>61804693
whoa buddy!

Did you just post FACTS on 4chan?

We dun tuk kindly to yer kin' roun' here.

>>61806753
>>lol, a good portion of the Bolshevik Jews (which is not a group I even support) were non-practicing/secular Jews
Why do you think this has anything to do with religion?

>>61803880
off topic

As someone coming from ex communist country that have to deal with all the shit growing up and stay 4-5 hours in a bread line after school if I was hired by Google and some special snowflake come to me and try to explain how hip and cool communism is I swear to God I will choke headlock him/her until it is in vegetable state.

>>61806812
Crowdfund this.

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>>61806783
Because otherwise the implication would be that it is not shared religion (the one thing that Jews have individually as identity with their geist) that is behind the alleged conspiracy, but genetics or some other thing which I haven't been provided evidence for.

Are you saying that Jews are genetically inclined to "put the white man down"? Because if you say "Jews" then you are referring to people who share belief in Judaism.

>>61806812
Ah, the classic "I lived under a dictatorship, so I'm an authority on more than 200 years of research and theory" response. I was waiting for you.

>>61803174
Dude had like a PhD in Biology or some related shit.

>>61806848
>What is tribal identity?

Do you honestly think that only religious jews practice nepotism? You must be a serious fedora tipper to think that.

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>>61806812
Maybe you should ask your parents how communism was when they were growing up, rather than consider your experiences under a Western embargo dispositive.
But that would require self-awareness, and you're a Western tool now, which doesn't allow that sort of thing.

>>61806812
>As someone coming from ex communist country
No you're not, the "communism" your talking about is not ideal or real communism. You lived in a dictatorship that had corrupted communist values.

>>61806780
>Did you just post FACTS on 4chan?
None of those were facts, you fucking retard. It was a gigantic strawman. Actually read the memo.

>>61806780
>>>/Reddit/

>>61806912
Facts aren't real. My post-modernist professors with suspiciously large noses told me so.

>>61806904
>Not REAL COMMUNISM

Holy shit, I thought this was just a meme. I feel like a kid at the zoo.

What is "real" communism?

>>61806938
REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED YOU STUPID AMERICAN SWINE

STOP OPPRESSING PEOPLE

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>>61806780
You want to know how I know you never post here?

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>>61804645
That's pretty much it.

>>61804778
>He clearly implied women were biologically unfit for tech work.
Read the fucking memo.

>>61806938
>What is "real" communism?
Scam
And dont fall for leftie baits

>>61803625
No neon lights?

Get me off of this timeline, senpai.

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>>61806812
You didn't come from a real communist country and you're not even close to intelligent enough to work at Google.

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>>61806753
>neither do I agree that mere "equality of opportunity" is sufficient, for if it were then many more people would have been able to amass capital.
i don't understand how you come to this conclusion. please elaborate on it. i don't want to make an incorrect supposition and argue against that.

>it's clear that people are products of their surroundings and you can't dismiss history when considering what people are capable of
that depends entirely on what you mean by "products."
certainly my bachelor's degree is because i was in a university environment, but my capacity to earn it absolutely didn't come from the 13 years i spent as a slave in the state run "education" system. nor do i believe it came from the affluence of my parents.
i say this entirely because my parents parents were destitute. my mother's parents grew up as farmers in the middle of nowhere southern US, my father's mother was born on a kitchen table and my father's father ran away from home to join the military and fight in WWII.
my grandparents succeeded despite their lack of material wealth and because of their intellectual wealth.

>you can't dismiss history when considering what people are capable of
what do you mean by this?

>currently, the nature of private property means that equality of opportunity is utter BS
i agree to the extent that Corporations should not have the status of personhood, and they do ONLY because people had faith that the state wouldn't abuse its authority. the solution to no social problem is "give more authority to the state"

> think Communism is what is needed to save...
as long as you don't think that means having the government solve anyone's problems in any extent, that's fine. if you do, you're deeply misguided i'm afraid

as for the "commodification of culture"
i don't like it, but if the low intellegent people want to waste their time on TV and movies, let them. I can still see all high art i want online and in museums. i may even spend my money on coms

>>61806938
>thinks labels never lie
>thinks everyone applies labels appropriately and correctly
>thinks everyong has no reason not to apply labels appropriately and correctly.
>thinks everyone tells the truth
>thinks nobody has any interest in anything other than the truth
You are a kid at the zoo.

>>61806998
You shouldn't even bother arguing with idiots that use "cultural marxism" unironically.

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>>61806967
>universal across human cultures
Wow, it's literally bullshit
>identify and act as males
Wow, the penis doesn't exist as a marker
>evolutionary psychology perspective
Wow, it's literally myth making

>>61807008
It wasn't an argument.
Also I've personally spoken with Frank Furtschool and that's not what he said.

>>61805363
>It's communism. You can look it up if you don't already know about this.
I did look it up. Wikipedia's definition is a lot different from yours.

>>61805836
>their old "class struggle" and now "demographic struggle" idea.
"They" are not the same people. There is no "they". You are falsely conflating two entirely different groups of people based solely on the fact that the language they use is vaguely similar in some respects. There is no imaginary committee of "The Left".

You are talking out of your ass about things you do not understand.

>>61802985
What if you're so stupid that you can't comprehend that the people who surround you don't think like you? Do you think the only people who meet your definition of "/pol/" are in /pol/? Do you think that all alleged "/pol/tards" live across the Ocean in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, or Kekistan? You're ignorant.
>You have to be supremely new to think social justice is the main problem Google has and not the fact that its existence has long since been a threat to human dignity.
That's an asset to Google dumbshit.

>>61807047
>Frank Furtschool
/g/, I present to you the modern day Communist. It's so fucking stupid that it doesn't even know how to spell "Frankfurt School" correctly.

>>61806938
You are a very confused person. The "communist" countries you are talking about are about as communist as Nazi Germans was socialist. IE they aren't and weren't.

>>61807095
"they" being people who practice communism.
USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea are not "real communists," but they take the flag of communists
fuck off with your brainless nonposts

>>61807107
I'm pretty sure that was him fucking around and you just ousted yourself for having autism.

>>61807121
German here, Nazi Germany was actually pretty Socialist compared to America and on-line of what modern day Europe is now, I have no clue what you're trying to imply.

>>61807103
>don't think like you?

What I think is /pol/ is for politics, /g/ is for technology, and bleach is an ideal beverage for the sycophantic retards that spam these autistic threads every minute of every day because they cannot comprehend that not everyone on the Internet has to care about what they care about.

If I want politics I will go to /pol/.

>>61806896
It was shit. You get worthless money and wait 10 years to get a car worse than ford pinto. Ever seen a yugo? Yes that was kind of good ca do the math. Oh you can wait 5 years and get 1950' equivalent of key car made of recycled toilet paper.

Ever had a house. That is evil and not communist. They will take it, land too level it and build commie block on its place with tiny room and thin walls. They will move people form tiny villages that have not used in house toilet ever and shout and get drunk everyday. Yes you get small apartment to live with this shithead forever.

You go to school. If you don't recite by memory the lies they feed you they send you to other school. With prison bars. And prison wall. And prison everything. It is prison with class rooms. If you are good boy you can see your family for 2 day a month. That is if they where not not send to concentration camp.

Like one type of everything? 1 type of biscuits 1 type of tea 1 type of jam? If you don't too bad. Raise your voice about it and and you can be send to the party places above.

What do you want to be? It does not matter. Depending on how good you lick people boost you can get form the gutter to some middle position but never top. Top is for the most "equal" of the equal communists. Ah the best part. You can't move a city. Unless you have a document why you are in different city that is not on your passport, you are in big trouble Even if the place is 30 km from your city. You are essentially a middle ages peasant.

Ah the wonders of communism.

>>61806904
Yes every time is not real communism every time the story is the same. Shocking how there is not place and time in this world that communism turned different. Always turn the same. Shockingly the same.

>>61806848
I really hope you get to live under communism shits like you deserve it. Read top of my comment. If you don't like any of that and try to comment it you will end in camp.

>>61807145
Modern day Europe is not socialist and neither was Nazi Germany. More than America? Yes, but so is every first world nation.

>>61807164
>modern day Europe is not Socialist

Oh, you're one of those Americans who can't tell the difference between Communism and Socialism. I see, go be retarded somewhere else fatty.

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>>61806958
>>61806904
>This is what commies actually believe.

>>61807123
>USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea are not "real communists," but they take the flag of communists
And how the fuck are these regimes even remotely related to the social justice cult? There are no similarities whatsoever. They even use Western social justice in propaganda to prove how "degenerate" capitalism is.

>>61807145
>Nazi Germany was actually pretty Socialist compared to America
Neither America nor Nazi Germany were ever socialist. Hitler's definition of "socialism" was wholly unrelated to the historical definition.

The word "socialism" has been arbitrary redefined so many times that it can mean practically anything in terms of politics.

>>61807171
I'M NOT FAT YOU ASSHOLE NAZI. In real communism I'd have you fucking shot.

>>61807155
Real life can't be split into neat categories fuckwit. Categories are just an approximation used by the human mind to simplify thinking. So this is >>>/pol/ and >>>/g/ and >>>/biz/ all at once. Deal with it.

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>>61807178

>>61807210
Falling back to semantics is the worst kind of apologism.
I don't even care that we had a couple of these threads on the front page every day. I care that they are being CONSTANTLY spammed as often as possible because some literal autists are trying to keep them bumped as often as possible.

>>61807199
they used state or other defacto authorities to steal property from people who had it and give it to people who didn't
USSR: kulaks had their property redistributed to poorer farmers
Cambodia: city dwellers had all their property and cities given to country side farmers
China: same as cambodia

SJWs have jobs and university positions given to "under represented people"
the "communist" meme (actual definition) didn't survive in the west, so it evolved.
they're more similar than you think, if anyone can be convinced you thought about this at all.

i'm not going to spend the rest of the night explaining every little detail to you. have something constructive or intelligent to say in your next reply rather than some vapid "gotcha"

>>61807255
So you agree it belongs here but you lied because you want it gone?

Fascinating.

>>61807255
Are you incapable of ignoring it and going to other threads. All things change with time, to believe that this situation will be eternal is absurd. When interest dies, the threads will die, the threads have interest and relevancy therefore are popular.

Do you think you should dictate interest and relevancy ?

>>61807201
definitely a three burgers a day guy.

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>>61807235
Ok.

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>>61807047
>avoiding the original argument of him claiming that women were biologically unfit for tech work to attack other things

>>61802645
>what's his endgame /g/?
Crash Google with no survivors

>was getting fired part of his plan?
He knew the risks

"Despite what the public response seems to have been, I've gotten many†personal messages from fellow Googlers expressing their gratitude for bringing up these very important issues which they agree with but would never have the courage to say or defend because of our shaming culture and the possibility of being fired. This needs to change."

>>61807268
what you're describing is egalitarian, which yes is related to communism but not the same.

>>61807268
Your argument rests solely on the fact that because of similar *sounding* (not logically comparable) concepts, they must be the same. These vague notions of "redistribution" have entirely different contexts and meanings in each of these ideologies. This only makes sense if you are too much of a retard to actually research any

This so called "evolution" did not happen. There is absolutely no evidence in the history of philosophy, period. Postmodernism is not based off of Marxism, it is a complete rejection of its ideological tenants. This is a proven historical fact.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170621020418/quillette.com/2017/06/14/whos-afraid-jordan-peterson/

I do not give a fuck if your mental concept of communism is somehow integral to your ability to mentally function, or something. Facts are facts.

>>61807341
>quote
looks like he wanted to be a martyr

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>>61807171
Holy shit. In Marx's day, Socialism and Communism had the same meaning. It's only a Leninist distinction, actually. And then you're /still/ wrong. Go actually read a book on Socialism, it doesn't even have to be a long book. Read anything by a "Socialist" author, from Marx to Oscar Wilde. Europe is not "Socialist" and saying that it is just displays ignorance. Hell, even read the fucking Wikipedia page or the ancappedia page if that's a thing.

>>61807145
>Nazi Germany was actually pretty Socialist compared
There is no "pretty Socialist". It's either Socialism or it's not. Someone posted a chart showing that up thread. Do you really think Marx said "Socialism is where the government does stuff, and the more stuff they do, the Socialister it is"? No, he didn't. Read a book my man.
pic related.

>>61807107
You got baited.

>>61807318
"there are no issues other than poverty"
Not even Marx himself denied the wonderous advancement of capitalism to empower more people. At least learn the arguments of the people you're strawmanning.

>>61807268
>steal property from people who had it and give it to people who didn't
That's not only what Socialism is about, redistributing shit doesn't mean the workers decide and control the means of production.

>>61807360
this

>Lagdroid
>'Chrome' 'books'
>Google filters porn
>Chrome has botnet
Good riddance

>>61807371
WOAH DUDE, HE'S THE NEXT JULIAN ASSANGE AND EDWARD SNOWDEN.

One big problem bucko, you gotta be half decent looking to become a recurring martyr. Not all martydom is equal, looks are a quintessential part to martydom, most men have a form of latent homosexuality where male attractiveness is a factor in receptiveness to a message.

>>61807345
they rely on a very similar power struggle disparity. bourgeois v proletariat -> oppressor v oppressed / racist v minority / sexist v woman
no it's not the exact same thing

>>61807383
i'm not reading your uncited blog

>>61807383
i didn't say "socialism" once in this thread

>>61807430
>One big problem bucko, you gotta be half decent looking to become a recurring martyr.
That's discrimination.

>>61805422
t. Herbert Marcuse disciple

>>61807438
See >>61807360
Syntax is not semantics.

>>61807430
>latent homosexuality
absurdly unintellectual opinion

>>61802645
Probably to voice is opinion you know the first amendment.
Can't do that in America anymore.

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>>61807360
>https://web.archive.org/web/20170621020418/quillette.com/2017/06/14/whos-afraid-jordan-peterson/
>Professor Peterson provides his millennial admirers with his own personal pantheon, telling them that they must read Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, J.S. Mill, Nietzsche, Orwell, Huxley, and Solhzenitsyn if they wish to avoid becoming mere puppets to prevailing trends in academia.
>Peterson telling people to read Orwell and Tolstoy
does he not realise the fucking irony? hahaha

>>61807438
>i'm not reading your uncited blog
It doesn't have to be "cited" to have valuable information. It's an investigation into the relationship between postmodernism and Marxism, though if you don't believe it, go out and read the texts yourself. But please, stop claiming this BS.

>>61807438
>they rely on a very similar power struggle disparity. bourgeois v proletariat -> oppressor v oppressed / racist v minority / sexist v woman
And some TV shows have a contestant versus the game show host. TV shows = Marxism = pomo, right? Similar power struggle, right? Fucking Marxist TV shows.

>>61807454
If I were a programming language focused on arguing, I would return the value NaA (not an argument) in response to your input.

Name calling is about as unintellectual as it gets.

>>61807493
>It doesn't have to be "cited" to have valuable information

uh it kinda does

>>61807497
first you'd have to have any capacity for logic to be a programming language
second, i don't care what you think after reading that turd you pulled out of your ass earlier in this thread.
"not even wrong" is how i have to describe it

>>61805422
Take that shit to >>>/pol/

>>61807493
Orwell wrote 1984 after his experience with Spanish communism.
even still, that doesn't matter. are you truly so intellectually destitute that you think you can only have people who agree with you in your framework of "valuable intellectual sources?"
kys any time. your posts lack any kind of merit or argument. shan't be wasting any more time replying to you

>>61807493
>does he not realise the fucking irony? hahaha
He might. The social justice movement is being abused by the mainstream right wing as an excuse to say whatever retarded nonsense they want and call anyone who disagrees with them a triggered snowflake, because conservatives don't have principles.
Calling these people fascists is just as ironic because at least fascists have actual opinions.

>>61807430
Ridiculous, Snowden looks like a dog. Bradley Manning looks like a dyke.

>>61807430
>most men have a form of latent homosexuality where male attractiveness is a factor in receptiveness to a message.
So you're saying that doesn't apply to women? Or cases of men listening to women or women listening to men?

What I am questioning is whether this is explained by "latent homosexuality" or whether it is just a bias based on physical attractiveness.

Recognizing a member of the same sex as being more attractive than another isn't in itself a sign of homosexuality. It's just a judgment you make based on appearances and your personal prejudices.

>>61807531
>social proof is infallible
Absurd.

>>61807587
>mainstream right wing
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>61807617
>peer reviews are worthless!
you need something, dude. Humanity's already learned from Alchemy

>>61807609
Are you scared that you might be a homosexual?

>>61807639
>peer reviews have value
>therefore it is literally impossible to find value anywhere else

>>61807648
Do you have a vested interest in thinking that everybody could be a homosexual?

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>>61807566
>Orwell wrote 1984 after his experience with Spanish communism.
And yet it was not about Catalonia. He wrote a book about his experiences in which he wrote very fondly of the revolution. See Homage To Catalonia.

"The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, how can you be so ignorant?

>you can only have people who agree with you in your framework of "valuable intellectual sources?"
No, I was only remarking on the irony of the fact that a professed anti-Marxist is citing democratic Socialist or anarchist/Georgist authors.

>>61807587
>call anyone who disagrees with them a triggered snowflake, because conservatives don't have principles.
That's the point, it gets them attention and bux from the "anti sjw" crowd. Peterson for example was relatively unknown until he was filmed in an incident with some idpol'd college students and it got posted to Youtube. Now he rides the anti-pomo/anti-Marxism/anti-sjw/whatever the "rational skeptic" issue of the month is train.

>>61807531
No, it doesn't. Do you think Descartes is invalid beacuse he didn't give any citations? Judge by the arguments made, anyone familiar with EITHER Marxism or postmodernism can give the article credence.

>>61807639
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_postmodernism#Marxian_criticisms
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/jameson.htm

>>61807658
I mean, yeah pretty much. You need peer review to have any actual value, dude.

His point would be a lot weaker if he didn't get fired. He looks like a dweeb anyways. Wikileaks offered a job but I don't know if I'd accept that line of work

is this the new #gamergate /v/ros??

>>61807675
You must have a double-digit IQ.

>>61807672

Descartes lived a long time ago my man. The 19th century was dedicated in large part to going back to old discoveries and bringing rigour into them. Newton references God in his Calc discourse for heck's sake

>>61807675
Peer review is a heuristic.

>>61807703
no I just understand how the scientific method works

>>61807716
yeah a necessary one

>>61802975
>white
Your brown is showing

>>61807721
I don't think you understand what the scientific method is.

>>61807735
You obviously don't understand what a heuristic is either.

>>61807750
whatever you say, bud

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>>61807774
Perhaps I should have used a better example. The point stands that having citations for your claims neither proves what you're saying right, nor is it necessary. A news article or philosophical investigation in history isn't science. It shouldn't be treated like science. It's not empirical. Anyone familiar with the topics would immediately recognise its truth or falsity.

There's no evidence connecting the writing of Marx and Engels to postmodern philosophical thought. It just doesn't exist. Analogies and comparisons between words aren't good enough to prove the connection.

>>61807774
>>61807675
>Bud
>Dude

What boards do you typically post on?

>>61807774
"My unthinking biases are so obviously truisms that they don't require facts or science to back them up. That's just COMMON SENSE!"

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>>61804305

>>61807648
That is a question that is beside the point, but no. Frankly I enjoy looking at and fapping to the female body. While I have considered an attraction to feminine male bodies as well, that would be a bisexual leaning rather than a homosexual leaning.

Now that we have dealt with that you can go back to answering the questions.

>>61807639
>where's my daddy
No, YOU need something, socially arrested weeb. Other people can puzzle shit out for themselves.

>>61807811
>common sense
>literally shared opinions

>>61807824
Argumentum ad baculum. Now that we know that half-measures aren't enough and that literally exterminating the bourgeoisie over and over is the only way to keep them in line, they're kinda fucked.
You know Pinochet was Jewish, right?

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>>61807824
>implying you need socialism to build roads (you don't, because it happens in capitalism and even feudalism)
>implying socialized institutions = socialism
>implying socialism is "government providing free services"
>implying you there is money in Socialism
>not realising that within Law of Value money is contained in embryo
>le helicopter man xD surprise xD
Read Marx and Engels (in particular Grundrisse and Anti-Duhring), don't just repost ignorant comics about what you think he said. I say this for your own intellectual benefit.

>>61807799
it used to be /g/ until it became worse than /v/

>>61807891
>Other people can puzzle shit out for themselves.
you really can't.

>>61807915
>because I say so
>t.fatherless child
ok

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>>61807891
>You know Pinochet was Jewish, right?

>>61807900
Im not reading that fucking trash

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>>61807900
lol MSPaint is fun!

>>61807953
uh but that's literally the opposite of my point?

>>61807774
>>61807675
>>61807531
If a document has no value until after it's been peer reviewed, then how is it that peer reviewers can find value in a document that, when it reaches their hands, has no value? The answer is obviously that peer review is a heuristic for uncovering or determining value, not CREATING value.

Does a house have no value before it's appraised? No, of course not. A house has unknown value before it's appraised, but that doesn't mean the house has no value. An appraiser does not create value. The value, be it known or unknown, exists in the house even before it is appraised.

I wonder, did you have another man "peer review" your wife before you decided she had value?

>>61807965
"I choose to be ignorant by refusing to read about your position, but I'll call it trash because other people have called it trash."

>>61807967
what is this image even trying to say

>>61807993
>The answer is obviously that peer review is a heuristic for uncovering or determining value, not CREATING value.

but without any non-biased peer review there is zero value

>>61808014
>thinking it's possible to be "non biased"
read Derrida

>>61808002
Fascism is a blanket term commies use to describe anything not commie to protect their feefees

>>61808002
>I know a little about history so when I look back on all the tragedy that communism has brought, I do not need to read anything a commie has ever wrote

>>61808024
it's not possible on a personal level, that's why it's a peer review, and that's why the more peers review and cite it the more value it's worth

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>>61804987

>>61808014
>non-biased
No such thing on the planet. Everyone has biases. Those who don't recognize their own biases have biases as surely as the rest. Thinking you are bias free is itself a bias, caused by an over inflated ego.

>without peer review there is zero value
No, without peer review there is unknown value.

>>61808014
Value is subjective.
You just lost.

>>61808053
fine, innate worth.

>>61808040
Zero bias is akin to absolute zero.

Which suggests you believe there is zero value in anything. Are you aware that you're a nihilist?

>>61808052
Kek, they can't distinguish NULL from 0. Clearly they have no business on /g/.

>>61808029
I'm a Commie and I don't do that. In fact, I advocate against doing that; there's a wealth of literature on what fascism is and is not, and what its characteristics are.
Rightists also seem to do it, though. "DAE antifa are the REAL fascists xD?"

>>61808040
No, as I've already stated, peer review applies to the scientific method in particular, not works in which a scientific approach is not pursued. As another poster has said, peer review does not assign value.

>>61808053
>Value is subjective.
read Capital vol. 1 :^)

>>61808071
inorite?

>>61808063
>innate
>worth
>a set of words has innate worth
>a thought has innate worth
>really, value is objective and not at all contextual
Keep trying, fatherless child.

communists are fools who believe suffering can be annihilated, and capitalists only create suffering

As an honest to god fascist, I consider it a great victory that this thread about wackos at Google has devolved into communists defending communism.

>>61808076
More contextual than subjective, then?

>>61808070
uh, I don't think that's how it works

>>61808076
>works in which a scientific approach is not pursued

so stuff with no objective meaning? cool

>>61808103
Zero bias is unobtainable. But as he's already stated
>without any non-biased peer review there is zero value
There is no such thing as non-biased peer review. Less bias is certainly obtainable, but zero bias is not. So if he honestly believes that value cannot exist unless unbiased peer review exists, and he admits that some degree of bias will always exist, then it would seem he's a nihilist who believes there can be no value.

>>61808087
>communists are fools who believe suffering can be annihilated, and capitalists only create suffering
This is such a hilarious strawman, it's not even worth responding to except to ridicule that you think any Communist thinks that way.
If anything, it is the Buddhists who believe suffering can be stopped.

>>61808098
I was making a joke about "value", as in, I was using the term as in the value of commodities rather than the "value" that humans ascribe to works of art etc.

>>61808119
"only science has objective meaning"
Are you really /this/ ignorant of philosophy? I guess mathematics has no "objective meaning". Look up empiricism and the derogatory term "scientism" for the shit you're pulling. Science (as in, the scientific method, which is just a set of steps which we have arbitrarily given more value out of the unfounded philosophy of pragmatism) has no "objective meaning" either.

>>61808158
This nigga has actually read a book.

>>61808158
no more like if it's objective it's scientific.

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The guy is whiter than sour cream Middle America.
Chess champion?
Prizes?
MIT?
Literally groomed on cookies, disney and private education. He's the DEFINITION of white privilege.

Comes to SV, can't hack it, gets beaten by people he was raised to see as beneath him, becomes bitter about it, blames "diversity", writes Kippling-tier screed, implodes career. Retires on trust fund money or gets consulting job from parents networking or whatever.