/pcbg/ PC Building General - slut edition

trying to find a case.
not much taller than an atx board
space for 4+ 3.5 drives and 1 2.5 drive, or 5 3.5 + 0 2.5
silent
non guady
nothing else really matters, my gpu is small (23cm)
tried pcpp but they suck for size filtering

Anybody use these?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0VE-000W-00007
How well do they work?

>>61798265
fine. make sure you have clearance

Is R7 1700x better than I7 7700k in streaming [OBS] and why?

no fanboy pls

>>61798452
yes. cores and threads. plus it can actually oc

>>61798452
well one has 4 more cores than the other

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>>61798683
>>61798700
you couldn't just copy it? i dont get why you even mention this, it will probably be fixed soon

>>61798683
>>61798700
so it's almost impossible to encounter in real-world scenario, affects only a small amount of cpus and AMD already said they're working on a fix.
seems like not a big deal to me.

>>61798242
use https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gehatx for filtering

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new heat sink just arrived, wooooo

Curious if anyone's tried this out, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Delid-Die-Guard-Delid-Relid-Delidding-Kabylake-Skylake-6-7TH-CPU-DIE-protector-/232427111403?hash=item361dbc43eb:g:GtgAAOSwp1dZevye, supposedly its for 6th/7th gen but the die is pretty small and it only has pictures of it being used with 4th gen but that bracket is different in the pictures.

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>>61799040
>delidding

>>61799066
You're edgy. I like it. :)

Can I run 2 GPU with AB350M motherboard for GPU passtrought?
Planning to build Ryzen 1600 PC and might want to try get GPU passtrought working. There isnt many mATX 370 motherboards.

>>61799121
>2x GPU on anything less than full ATX

I built this in mid 2015, should I look into upgrading sometime next year
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G6DYD8

>>61799140
Not the other guy, but whats the point of having a ATX board if you're only going to use 2 pci slots?
>MUH UPGRADEABILITY THO
Seriously, what more does an average user need than 4 ram slots and 2 pci slots?

>>61797813
Why can't asian women have more shapely bodies?
I like that they're usually less conceited than white american women, but fucks sake why do most of them have to be 1bra cup size away from looking like a boy?

>>61798840
thanks heaps.

>>61799121
yes

>>61799140
lame

>>61799170
wifi card

>>61799140
Why would you get full ATX when mATX has enough PCIe slots?

>>61799170
Wireless card
TV tuner card
More USB ports
Plenty of reasons for more expansion slots

Would one of those "new" GT 1030's be a half decent card to throw in my shitbox with a Phenom II X4 965 for playing ArmA 2? I need a replacement gpu and the 1030 seems like an alright choice for only 70$.

Whats wrong with msi mobo's? or is it just one anon memeing

>>61799460
It's a meme
Just don't buy ASRock

>>61799431
for $30 more you can get a 1050 non Ti, never buy these gimped cards

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=3596&cmp%5B%5D=3757
My 1050 benched is around 6500 score while the latest benches of the 1030 max around 2700.

The only reason you'd really get such a card is for the TDP and worrying less (but not completely) about overloading your PSU.

>>61799431
yes, ph2 wont benefit from better cards, in fact the 1030 might be the best card for it

>>61799477
1050 is too good for the cpu

>>61799469
>ASRock
whats wrong with them?

>>61799494
And $70 is worth it? Might as well sit on it or go even lower in price.

>>61799515
yes. $30 wadted. i doubt what he has can even play arma2, but with a new gpu he could.

>>61799431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6ltBCMDCE

Any good deals on HDDs going on? Need a 1TB

>>61799543
>linus shill tips

>>61799584
$50 for a 1TB WD or Seagate right now, which is the standard price
If you wait a week or two, you might see one of those drop by $5
The deals mostly show up on the bigger drives

>>61799610
:^)

>>61799323
Nigga buy a fucking board with wifi build in you dumbass.

>>61799382
Samething as the other guy. A lot of matx/itx have built in wifi so you don't need to worry about that non-sense.
>TV tuner card
wtf do you need a tv turner card please show me yours right now with a time stamp
>More USB ports
You aren't sacrificing usb ports for a matx fuck boy. Shit even an ITX has plenty of USB ports.

>>61799679
How do i know if my board has built in wifi

>>61799722
do you not check what your boards have before you buy them?

>>61799679
and lose ugradablility and other functions? on board wifi means youre limited to what the motherboard vendor provides you

ill reply on half od the other guy

it doesnt matter if he has a tv tuner or not, its still something people use.
it is possible to max out usb ports rather quickly. i have 10 on the back and 2 in the front, ive used all of them at some points. i can see in many cases where you could easily be using them all at once.

>>61799746
I didnt buy one yet

>>61799531
it could play arma 2 decently at medium settings. I used to have an hd 6770 in this thing so I know it's not terrible for it

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>>61799679
Had this one since about 2008, crapped out a few months ago, waiting until next build this fall to buy a new one

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who /PaulsHardware/ here?

>>61799813
why get rid of the 6770? i meant on whatever gpu you had. a 1030 is probs on par with the 6770

Got a friend who is planning on building a new PC and wants help, currently has an Athlon X3 450/R7 250 together. He's got a budget of $1000 and wants to be able to fit in a decent 1920x1080 monitor, I have an idea of what'll fit his needs, an R5 1600/GTX 1060, but is there anything else to know in terms of motherboard choice, PSU choice, etc?

for reference this is his build. His current monitor is some 4:3 a friend of his found on the side of the road
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NZX8tJ

>>61799830
dont fuel his retardation

>>61799837
i used to eatch the newegg vids a lot, did they stop doing them or something? the cast probably changed by now anyway

>>61799852
Why not start a new build with aforementioned 1600 and 1060 and see where it leads?

I don't know about the 1060's wattage but you could probably salvage the PSU.

Everything else except the HDD is scrap, and you didn't mention the case.

>>61799839
I probably won't get rid of the 6770 since I can maybe stick it in the oven and get it to work but i'm just needing a cheap/decent replacement for now.

>>61799866
yeah, paul has his own channel now

My current PC is nearly 10 years old and I've been thinking of building a new PC with Ryzen.

How's the Ryzen support in Linux at the moment? Are you able to do stuff like check the CPU temperature, without having to build a new kernel or anything like that?

>>61799852
if he has an am3+ get him a 8350 and a 1050ti. cheaper than replacing everything and can fit in a 4k monitor probably

>>61799895
>Linux

is a mid tower a bad idea with HEDT processors like xeons/kikerippers/etc., assuming there's ok-but-not-superb airflow? how much heat do these things really output?

>>61799909
not everyone is a 1337 gamer who spends 12 hours a day playing first person shooters

>>61799895
ryzen has some wierd bug with compiling but nothing else as far as i know.

>>61799880
He's planning on getting a new build. Checked 1060's wattage, it's 120W. I forgot to mention, parts of his current PC are from an older build of one of his friend's using some newer parts, the friend he got the old parts from didn't know the name of the case.

How long will the vega 56 card last me for 1440p?

>>61799935
they out put a lot at high load, at low load they dont really. full tower doesnt really make a difference until we start scaling up.

>>61799947
dont reply to retards

>>61799957
forgot to mention, it's a midtower

>>61799773
If anything you're getting better and cheaper going with what the the mb vendor provides you. I was looking for a wifi card and a decent one the compared to onboard wifi was averaging $40 and it ended up just making more sense/cleaner to get onboard wifi.

Like I said with the matx, you aren't losing usb ports. Only on the mitx and even then you got a ton of them. From pictures im looking at I see 8 and with usb3.1 & 3.2 header. If you're using more than that then you have a very specific setup going on that an average user who just want sli gpus for gaymin. Seriously just go look at /guts/ you rarely see anyone using more than 2 pcis at a time and /bst/ i never see anyone with more than a few things hooked up to usb. You're acting like everyone needs to have a big useless board for
>JUST IN CASE MAN MORE EMPTY PORTS TO LOOK AT

How long will my 4460 and 970 last me

>>61800140
till tonight at midnight if you don't reply to this post.

>>61800140
Get a new cpu and upgrade gpu in 2 years

>>61800140
Considering all you ever do is daily skinner box shit in WoW, until it breaks

I've just got meme'd by Amazon. I ordered an ASUS Z 170 Pro MoBo and got something else instead (a M95something plus).

Bought it refurbished, at half the price it is being sold right now.

I think it was too good to be true.

>>61800275
>refurb mobo

>>61800275
>refurb

>>61800275
Complain to amazon you want the correct product for the same price. They will give in if you complain enough.

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>>61800275
>buying a refurbished motherboard

>>61800295
>>61800302
fight me

>>61800303
at this point I'll call it a day if I get a refund, i bought it in Amazon US and got the product through my gf which was spending some time there, so I'll have to send the package from another country

Anyway does it matter if the seller wasn't Amazon directly?

>>61800410
That was pretty dumb, but good luck to yah.

>>61800384
I guess it was divine intervention then

>>61800454
>That was pretty dumb
which part?
buying a refurb?
buying from anyone but Amazon?
realising it was not what I ordered after I brought it out of the US?

>>61799289
Tell your boss to give your higher res pics next time.

>>61800572
Letting your gf go to american alone. I can assure you she hooked up a lot.

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>>61800639
b-but it was a f-family trip

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>>61800770

>>61800770
Chances are ya got cucked son.

What do you think of this monitor for gaming
BENQ BL2420PT ?
I've been looking for something more budget, not entirely sure what to get.

how do i add more than 6 hard drives?

>>61800934
buy a motherboard that doesn't suck

Anything I could do to make this a bit cheaper without sacrificing too much performance? Keep in mind I live in the Netherlands.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhJKtJ

>>61800972
you can make do with a 650W power supply, save a few bucks there probably
but don't buy an ASRock motherboard

>>61800999
What exactly is wrong with Asrock? I thought they were pretty well respected?

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>>61801022

Is SLI even worth it anymore? I currently have 1 gtx 980ti classified. I can get a used one of the same type for $280-$320 on eBay. Should I bother?

>>61801052
Cool argument. What about asus?

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Might as well ask here, since I don't know shit about building. What are the things I should upgrade first? CPU and GPU? Would I have to get a new motherboard as well? Already planning on buying a SSD.

>>61800970
all mother boards have 6 sata though, theres only a handful with more

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post 'em if you got 'em

>>61800972
why the hell are you getting vega 56?

>>61801072
it wasnt really worth it at the time either

>>61801077
gpu first, cpu is still decent

>>61801077
>12gb of ram
h-how

>>61801130
Why the hell not? Of course I'm waiting for benchmarks but I'm pretty sure it'll be fine.

>>61801130
>it wasnt really worth it at the time either

Yea I figured as much. Guess I'll just wait until this 980ti dies on me, or Nvidia launches a card with HBM2 on it. Whichever comes first.

>>61801162
IIRC, I bought 8GB not long ago and just left an old 4GB stick in there.

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>>61801162
Is this special in some way?

>>61801164
its like a 1070 equivalent.

>>61801173
why though? its still a good card. do you really need the upgrade yet?

>>61801130
>gpu first, cpu is still decent
So should I just go for any of the recs in the OP that's in my price range?

>>61801233
>it's like a 1070 equivalent
If those leaks are true it's actually 20% better. Also if I manage to get one on release it'll be a lot cheaper than the 1070 is here right now. And I won't have to deal with jew-sync

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my new build keeps underclocking my ram to ~2100 when it's 3000 ram, even if told to change it in the bios, what do?

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next to the 7 pci slots, whats the vertical one and whats it for

>>61801266
Do you reccomend me getting a partners card or Founders?

>>61801313
Depends if you want to OC desu

>>61801322
Maybe? I just want the one where it will last me for a long time without breaking on, and fan noise.

>>61801291
breakout for headers like spdif
so that shit doesn't block any of your actual pcie slots for just a breakout

>>61801351
No way to know about fan noise before release. Partner for OC, reference for normal use. I'd wait for benchmarks before making your decision.

>>61801393
I don't know shit about OC, so i'll probably just try to snag a founder's edition and do partners card usually cost $50 more?

>>61801423
Yeah they're usually moore expensive.

>>61801291

Looks like another PCI slot for a single-height card on a riser (extension cable, basically).

>>61801281
If the BIOS has it down as 3000, you should be fine

>>61801483
it doesn't even offer that as a setting, with a jump from ~2933 to 3200

>>61801383
why would that need to go into the case though?

>>61801472
that i can sort of understand if youve got some cards with no video out (like minimg or whatever) but since its got 7 pci slots is that even possibly an issue more than one person couls have?

>>61799181
you're delusional. girl in the pic has the perfect size.

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>>61801566
that's usually how it's done

>>61801800
oh right. still i dont get why you would use spdif in the first place, what benefits does it have over basically everything else?

>>61801891
It's the standard for consumer digital audio.

>>61801926
never looked at consumer audio before, but i imagine its still source to dac to speaker? why not just do the pc to dac stage through usb or aux?

>>61801962
>USB
Bad for decoded audio
>AUX/3.5mm
Uses the DAC inside the computer, which is usually terrible

Im here 24/7 . You guys will link the vega cards when they are out right?

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>>61802086
They're out the 14th retard. Also pic related.

>>61801993
bad for decoded audio because of the bitrate? even with usb3.1?
arent internal dacs high quality now?

>>61802116
fuggg, how is it ao bad?

>>61802116
Don't call me a retard you fucking bitch.

>>61802120
USB is bad for audio because USB power is noisy, USB can run into clock issues, and you need drivers.
Some devices (some phones and laptops usually) do have decent DACs. However, a computer is a very noisy environment and thats inescapable.

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>slowly transitioning to new PC
>get case, CPU cooler and PSU
>PSU is DOA

>>61802225
Shouldn't have bought a fucking LOGISYS

>>61802116
Omg who cares about the 64? Everyone wants the 56

>>61802259
>being poor

coffee lake launches in less than 2 weeks. new builders might want to wait until then.

>>61802285
source?

>>61802277
>wanting a 65 over the 1080 ti
>calling someone poor
LMFAO

>>61802259
The 56 is probably going to be inflated too though

>>61802296
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-to-launch-8th-gen-core-processors-august-21st.html

>>61802240
Was an EVGA G3 750.

>>61802116
Hello, when is vega 56?? :/

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>>61802219
it's not 2003 anymore, none of this is true about usb
non-shit manufactureres can easily do 200+ i/o at 64 sample buffers, usb power is just as good as any switching supply which needs to be filtered anyway and class compliant usb devices are a thing

>>61802219
so does that mean those external dacs that are usb that are often marketed to music people are shit house?

>>61802321
Ouch

>>61802320
I'm guessing this would be a better choice over ryzen but more expensive?
>>61802340
poor b8

>>61802320
>>61802285
didnt the 7th gen JUST come out? are intel likely to btfo amd?

>>61802369
Will it be better? Probably
Will it be wildly more expensive? Absolutely

>>61802219
Confirmed retarded.

>>61802342
>posts $3000 professional interface
No nigger USB dac plugged into a nigger gaymer motherboard will be good
>>61802357
Good USB interfaces cost $$$$$
>>61802407
suck my dick

>>61802369
Im not baiting. Why isn't the vega 56 tracked yet.

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>>61802357
They are fine for most users, decent motherboards do not have that much of an interference and tiny imperfections are impossible to hear. But there are always some autists who want to remove every single potential interference.

>>61802418
>usb is shit for audio
>well unless your device doesn't suck
sure, mate

>>61802320
Is it going to cost the usual ~$350 for the unlocked i7?

>>61802385
intel had to rush coffee lake thanks to amd
>are intel likely to btfo amd?
yes.

Bought a 1070 for $390 before the mining craze now Vega is coming out.
Who /remorse/ here?

>>61802418
I posted that thing to show where the limits of usb(3.0) actually are for audio - a whole dimenson higher than what any home user would ever need. so an uncompressed stereo stream is not much of an issue, even at a way lower price point

>>61802452
The fuck is going on here

>>61802473
Why would you?

>tfw waiting for the vega but probably won't get one and have to wait until volta because no cards in stock.

>>61802525
c a b l e r i s e r s

>>61802520
Who buys a $3000 MADI interface and uses USB?

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>TFW could've bought an EVGA GTX 1050 Ti for $120 a while ago
>Now $150-$200 and climbing

>>61802563
if 30-80 dollars makes that much of a difference for you, sell your whole PC and just get a job.

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>>61802525
Cable risers, oblivously. They lift your cables from the ground so that your music won't get contaminated with random footstep noises and other trembles.

>>61797813
Sauce on that pic?

>>61801514
so keep it at 2933? is 77mhz really going to make a difference?

WHy does ethereum keeps going up???

>>61802562
someone who works on location, for example
you see that thing everywhere, live sound, classical production, ob vans
it's a neat tool and extremely powerful

>>61802688
Why would anyone use that over Dante for live?

>>61802657
2933 is close enough

>>61802703
latency, ring topology, native multimode fiber
soundcraft, studer, digico, lawo and stagetec all run completely on madi, which owns large scale live productions so an interface like that is the perfect link

>>61802657
my ram can only get up to 2933 as well. It is fine not that huge of a jump

>>61802685
look at litecoin my friend.

Im laughing at anons who didnt order the bitmain L3+ ASIC litecoin miner

When is Volta dropping? I want cheap eBay 1080s NOW.

>>61802582
I need to rebuild the entire PC from pocket change and bits of string. $30-80 does matter.

And you're damn right I need a job.

>>61802643
i dunno i googled "pc build hot asian"
also i just realized the whole OP is shit, someone clearly doesn't know the difference between hz and fps also we could use NEWS section

>>61801281
It usually means that you're pushing it too far. Your motherboard detects that your PC is not starting normally and thus automagically drops the speed down to a safe value.

Have you enabled XMP? If you have, try dropping the speed down step by step.

>>61801514
That's normal, you can't run memory at 3000 MHz due to multipliers and whatnot. Everyone just rounds 2933 up because 3k is easier to prononuce.

will we ever get mitx threadripper epyc mobos?

Can we officially say RIP AMD for GPUs?

i can't see any situation where they are going to be realistically available ever again. Even if Etheirum crashes another coin is going to get memed into value.

The only way normal users could get GPUs now is if they are deliberately crippled for mining.

>>61803133
Didn't AMD package all of the reasonably priced Vegas in gamer bundles?

r8

If you want help:
>Assemble your parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>State the budget and country for your build
>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate
>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
How to assemble a PC, select components & more (kind of outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC

CPUs:
No i5 unless discounted
>R3 1200 - Budget builds (<$500)
>R3 1300x - Good stop-gap between the 1500x and the 1200, only get a 1400 if you absolutely need multithreading
>R5 1500x - Good but up to 1600 if you can
>R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; 1600x if you want higher stock clocks
>i7 7700k - Only for 144hz
>R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming

GPUs:
Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
>Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff & very light gaming
>GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both
>RX570 - 1080p@60fps very high, running most older games maxed at ~80fps
>RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@60hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 slightly better
>GTX 1070 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz at high
>GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a some games; mostly the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p
>GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz / 4k@60hz maxed in most games

RYZEN:
>Check your Mobo QVL for RAM kit models.
>Ryzen benefits from high RAM speeds (~3000MHz+)

GENERAL:
Always consider an SSD. HDD should always be secondary storage.
NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor.
Some Ryzen CPUs come with good stock coolers. Consider using them over any <$30 cooler.

NEWS:
>Intel's Coffee Lake to be launched August 21st
>New i3 CPUs to be 4c/4t
>Volta in Q3 2017

>>61803239
>Volta in Q3 2017
So now?

>>61803272
IMO expect GTX 1180 somewhere in second half of September. GTX 1170/1160 are likely to release ~month later, 1180ti still a few months away

its not too retarded to buy the 1080ti now is it?

>>61803397
nah it's fine

can i use ram with different speeds?
i ahve 2x4gb ram at 1600 (motherboard only has 2 ram slots) but right now im looking to upgrade to a ryzen build, with a better motherboard.

can i buy another 2x4gb kit but with a different speed? like 2400mhz?

or do i need to throw away my old ram and just get a new 2x8gb kit

>>61802808
Half a year at best.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VyfQHN

how can i make this better?

>>61797813
I want to buy her a burger and a good pair of dumbells

>>61803472
What's your maximum budget?

>>61803494
1000

>>61803472
bump to r5 1600
bump the ram to 3000

>>61803439
every source says Q3 2017.

>>61803433
>2x4gb ram at 1600
that's ddr3 ram anon. not compatible with ryzen or skylake/kabylake

>>61803472
faster ram, r5 1600 instead of 1500x.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qXPZbj
i hope you already have an ssd

fuck the ryzen meme
i'm shipping it back

long live to my 4790k!

>>61803512
For Ryzen, faster memory is better. If you aren't going to be doing anything super-strenuous on this PC for a while, I suggest just getting one 8GB stick of RAM, but pick one that's faster, and compatible with your motherboard: https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2

And from there, you can easily add RAM as your budget allows.

>>61803608
i have this same mobo, what clock speed should i be aiming for on the RAM via the bios realistically, assuming i don't leave it at the stock 2133?

>>61803272
Isn't q3 month 6 to end of month 8, with q4 starting at 9?

>>61803397
The next generation is closer than its release. I always dislike buying cards in the middle of a generation because that just means you get less time on top for the same money.

But its by no means a bad decision if you need a new card now.

>>61803633
Q3 is the third quarter of the year, so July, August and September.

>>61803626
2800 if you're lucky.

How good is XB271HU? I already got 1080 Ti so might as well take the plunge from 1080p 144hz TN to 1440p 144hz IPS monitor. PG279Q is 150 euros more.

>>61803626
You should have RAM that advertises 3200MHz out of the box if you want the best speed/realism ratio. Just be careful about which specific model you pick as each motherboard has their own handful that they allow to reach those speeds.

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What does this symbol mean

>>61803673
No complaints about mine.

>>61797813
Let's say I see a nice wqhd monitor but this monitor has been available since 2015, do they update the tech in those things or can I expect a 2015 tier screen for my money?

https://geizhals.de/aoc-q2577pwq-a1272301.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu

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>>61803695
it means you have autism

>>61803728
Read the specs nig. There's no such thing as a "2015 tier screen".

Are skipped frames in obs while streaming with i7 7700k meme or real?

>>61803798
If you use CPU encoding? Sure they are a thing. You can reduce it dramatically by prioritizing OBS in the process manager but that fucka gayme performance

Wait if volta is dropping soon then why tf would i want a vega?

>>61803695
Pre-hacked by Russians for your convenience.

>>61803608
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2
i should be ok with this ram on a B350 then?

>>61803859
Because it'll prolly be cheaper, but if money isn't an issue then you wont want vega.

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>>61803798
Very real.

>>61803873
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231941

>>61803873
If it's got the same product code as what's on the list, it's good.

>>61803878
I mean the vega will be inflated because of miners, so idk.

>>61803888
corelets on pooicide watch
trips confirm

>>61803915
True, but who's to say nvidia wont try to profit from cryptoniggers too? I'm gonna wait until power consumption for the new geforce cards are known so I can decide on getting an entirely new PC or a new GPU + monitor.

>>61803888
Wasn't 1700 at stock and 7700k overclocked during their test?

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>>61803888
just euthanize the jews already

>>61803960
The orange bar at the end is the OC 7700k.

>>61803976
Oh, I didn't watch it to the end.

>>61803959
I'm probably just going to settle for a vega though because im desperate to peecee game atm.

>>61803209
"reasonably priced" resellers are putting $4-500 on top of the RRP already m8

There are no reasonably priced Vegas.

>>61803961
sauce

>>61803888
fake ass bullshit lol

>>61804048
*tips menorah*

>>61804041
I'm bored out of my fucking mind too but I really want something that'll last me. Hoping my old ivy bridge i5 and 550 watt psu will get along with vega 56 or the gtx 1170/2070.

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When are video cards going to be restocked? I'd really like to buy a damn GPU already.

>>61804099
>implying richfag miners havent created bots to buy up video cards milliseconds after theyre in stock

Why is the cheapest RAM always the ugliest thing physically possible?
>tfw not sure if paying extra for non-hideous RAM tells companies that consumers don't want gaudy shit or if looks matter enough to make up a price difference

>>61804066
Same. I have a 6600k and will get a vega 56. Hopefully 600 will be enough or do you think it's too much?

>>61804159
You're fine senpai.

>>61804153
subjective. i like ram without gaudy heatsinks and shit. too muxh of the current market is focused on who has the most red and black plastic right now, not on actual features.

is it bad to spend 70€ on a gtx 770 on ebay? the card is from 2014 but i just want to play games

>>61801689
>girl

>>61804226
You can get a 780 for less than 100

Got a GTX 1060 as an upgrade for a HD7870, CPU is a i5 3470. Good decision? RX580 would have beend 50€ more expensive.

>>61804226
Depends on the games

>>61804238
>tfw used 750ti costs 80€ here

>>61804255
yes. no point in spending 50€ more for rx580.

>>61804255
Would an i5-3570k be able to pull off 4K gaming if I got a Vega 64? I can't overclock because of shitty mobo.

>>61804300
Don't bother with the 4k meme until this next generation of GPUs.

>>61804259
Where the heck do you live? Just ship one in from Germany then. I can order 99cent shit from China with free shipping, can't possibly be that expensive to your place

>>61804300
resolution doesn't affect the CPU limit. The higher your resolution and thus expected framerate due to GPU limitations the less expensive your CPU becomes. If you really want to go for a 4K screen and play games at its native resolution your CPU won't be a problem for years to come

>>61804319
>This next gen of gpus
You mean vega and volta or whatever is next?

>>61804321
how do they do it.. like there must be trade agreements but why can i get some of that gubmint shipping money, when i ship anything to china it costs like $20 per kg, and they just slap it on china post and its free

>>61804343
Cool, I hope the housefire meme is an exaggeration because I don't really feel like buying a new psu just for a gpu.

>>61804321
i'm in poland. i checked ebay.de and used 750ti are ~90€. also not many sellers are willing to ship to another country. am i missing something?

>>61804382
it's an exageration by far, not overclocked single GPU high end cards haven't gone above 300W ever

>>61804403
dunno man, used GTX 780 cards regularly go away for less than 100€ on german ebay. If you ask sellers they will most often be willing to ship to your country (if you're willing to pay for it of course. But shipping to poland can't be that expensive).

>>61804348
always wondered about that. It literally costs me more to ship something of that size through my own country using our postal service than it costs for the product + shipping from china. It's insane. Just takes a month

>>61804347
>vega
>next gen

buy your shit now
Trump is going to get everything within a thousand miles of Korea nuked

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>>61804414

minimum GPU for 4 monitors? most 460s/1050s have maximum 3 outs. don't mind any sort of combination of DVI, HDMI, DP

>>61804483
wtf with the random downspikes on Vega

So I notice when people post DDR2/3 builds their timings are really low compared to my DDR4 (16 CL for example vs their 9)

Does it not matter for DDR4? Apples and oranges?

>>61804522
the increased frequencies more than make up for it

>>61804238
I'm in the UK and gtx 780 sells for ~£120 on eBay, 770 goes for £70, so I'm gonna get the latter.
>>61804257
nothing crazy

>>61804522
true latency stays the same, bandwidth goes up

>>61804414
I checked with one of those calculators and in place of the vega I put the 290x at 1000 mhz. Is that about equivalent?

Hey guys, pardon my utter ignorance on all of this. I bought this prebuilt a few months ago and have had issues with it restarting out of the blue:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L0JGRSI

I've been led to believe that it's a problem with the PSU and many of the reviews suggested replacing it. Any recommendations or tips on what I should be looking for?

>>61804610
Surely there's a manufacturer's warranty on it? Shouldn't have to fork over for something they fucked up on.

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>>61804610
>AMD FX-4300
>a few months ago

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>>61804122
That answer doesn't help me.

>>61804603
overclocked custom 290X models sucked more than 300W, normal ones mostly were below 250.

No idea what the gaming versions of vega will suck up

>>61804695
Aaaand I just found out my PSU doesn't have dual 8 pin connectors. Vega 56 it is I guess.

>>61804690
no one knows. polaris cards are slowly coming back into stock but prices are still fucked. Depends on crytoprices, production capabilitites for the chips and the boardpartners that build the cards and when ASIC miners for the currently booming currencies get to the market.

It should be fine in a one or two months, eventually

>>61804738
what PSU do you have?

>>61804759
I don't see a model name on it. At least not without completely taking it out. It's a 550w HKC PSU that's all I know.

>>61804738
you can buy converters to turn two 6-pins into an 8-pin, if you have that many spare connections

why do gpus use so muc power?

>>61804798
wouldn't dare tackle a Vega without at least 650 watts

Umm, what are the basics when picking a MB? Im going vega 56 +i5 build.

>>61804803
>Turn 2 6-pins into an 8-pin
I only have 1 6-pin and 1 8-pin.
>>61804811
The 56 should be fine I think. I'll wait for benchmarks.

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>got AIO liquid cooler
>CPU now idles at room temperature
>will be silent when I put back on the top cover to my case

>>61804841
or 2x 4-pin Molex into an 8-pin VGA
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIACJF5497357

>>61804829
>Make sure it has enough USB ports for your toys
>try to get one with at least 1 M.2 NVMe slot in case you want to try NVMe SSDs in the future,
>check the support page of the motherboard you pick to choose compatible RAM so you don't cripple its speed
>a POST code LED display is a nice feature
>if you want to overclock, be sure your motherboard has strong enough VRMs to handle it
>be sure that there's enough room for any meme parts you plan to add

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what do i upgrade first?

>>61804900
That might work. Thanks anon gonna get this if I'm short on money. If I'm not, I think I'll just get a new PSU anyway for future proofing.

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>>61804859
>got AiO liquid cooler
>marginally better temperatures than a good aircooler
>louder
>pump will kill itself within the next three years

>>61804829
Make sure it's a B350 or X370 chipset and then buy a ryzen 1600.

>>61804945
Whatever that housefire gpu is

>>61804945
if that's a 290 then you're fine

>>61804955
It's definitely not louder than my 212 Evo.

>>61805023
well, thats because it's a cooler that only manages small thermal loads silently

>>61805008
>>61804997
yeah its a 290 with 390 bios. in the more demanding games like bf1, my cpu is constantly at 100%, so i dont know if upgrading my gpu will matter if my cpu is already at its limit

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>>61804743
Hmm. Alright, thanks. I am looking for a RX580 but there seem to be none in stock anywhere in Canada that I can find.

If anyone has a hot tip, tell me aboot it.

>>61805052
how high of an oc?

>>61804945
>i5-2500K
your processor......so, basically everything else too

>>61805074
cpu is at 4.5ghz at a high voltage i think 1.35v to keep it stable and gpu is only at 1000mhz clock and 1400 memory since it's shit now

if coffee lake i5 cost the same as current gen, will be there any point in buying r5 1600? for pure gayming

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>>61805117
>expecting Intel to be price-competitive

Is there a "season" for buying "good" pc parts at an acceptable price?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PGNdhq

This would cost me over 2100 USD in my country...

>>61802452
Where are your linear pebbles, anon?

>>61804955
Don't buy cheap single 120/140 rad AiO coolers.
Noctua DH15 beats pretty much all single rad AiO coolers and gets close to most dual rads, but is fuckhuge.

>>61805117
probably not. We'll have to wait for a product though. And it's not like AMD won't react

>>61805258
right now prices are fucked no matter what. imo the best time is 2-3 months after new gpu gen.

>>61805258
Black Friday/Cyber Monday

>>61805340
>right now prices are fucked no matter what
why is that? because of miners or the price hikes from the companies?

>>61805384
Miners are ruining GPU prices
Manufacturers are ruining SSD/RAM prices

>>61805384
miners = high gpu prices
nand shortage + price fixing = high ram/ssd prices (at this point they probably won't come down).

>>61805374
Hmm don't know if that applies in my country (germany) anyone tried it out last year?

>>61805258
Sales come and go. Pcpartpicker has a price drop watcher for this reason.

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>>61805402
>>61805413
damn

>>61803695
Underwriters laboratory recognised component logo:

http://www.ul.com/marks/ul-listing-and-classification-marks/appearance-and-significance/marks-for-north-america/

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>>61803662
Oh sorry, don't know how I got that wrong.

>>61797813
>i7 7700k
>i7
lol

Is there any chance of grabbing a vega 56 at launch? Or will they sell out in minutes

>>61797813
You should include G4600 for iGPU builds <$350, OP. They are still useful there even with R3 here now.

Also the 1080Ti doesn't even do 60fps at 4K on medium in A LOT of games. To say it does maxed/high is misleading. That's only the case for older and/or well optimized games.

Even Doom, an extremely well optimized game, it only gets around 60fps minimum at 4K. Pretty much every game is less well optimized as Doom.

>GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high
Also doesn't really... mean anything. Like what game?
I know it'll do 144 minimum in like.. Overwatch and R6: Siege. Most other games it's a bit closer to 90-120fps.
At 1440p it seems to average around 70-90fps in newer titles maxed.

>>61805534
AMD said the delay was to get stock up so they hopefully wouldn't sell out too fast...

I'm waiting to see how well they overclock.
If Vega 56 has unlocked HBM voltage and can clock to 1500MHz+, then it should be within 3-5% as good as Vega 64 like how an overclock Fury was compared to the Fury X.

That's insane value, where as unlike with the 1070 it sucks dick at overclocking with the voltages limited and self managed. Buildzoid has done a good video on both the problems of overclocking a 1070 and what Vega 56 being unlocked would mean.

If I can OC Vega 56 memory to Vega 64 levels... going to buy one right away for sure, as disappointing as Vega 64 was.

>>61805611
Thanks for your input my friend. I really don't wanna shell an extra for the "premium deal" because i already have everything basically

>>61805611
that'd be just fine and dandy if people were just buying these to game with, but you know the coin miners are going to end up with most of them

Entry-level X370 board just went on sale:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128999

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>>61805567
i just copied OP from last thread. i really can't be bothered to make serious changes to get shit on in the next thread because people don't like it. IMO the whole idea of categorizing GPUs in [settings] [resolution] [fps] format is retarded since it all depends on a game.
also
>1080ti can't do doom at 4k
???

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Please pick me out a good Ryzen-friendly mobo under $200 CAD, /pcbg/. Any other criticism or suggestions are welcome as well. Purpose of machine is for gaming. Not sure whether I should go for Windows 7 or 8.1 for OS.

>>61805882
>>61805983

What Mother Board for Ryzen 1700x?

>>61805882
>>61806057

>>61806021
Can you tell me anything about it? Which one would it be of these two, I can't buy from newegg.com, so I'm stuck with whoever ships to Canada.

http://www.vuugo.com/gigabyte-motherboards-GA-AX370-GAMING.html?tracking=5108053939762
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128999

What happens if your pirated wins 10 dont work anymore

>>61805983
go for Windows 10, but whatever the fuck you do, DON'T get Windows 8

>>61806021
>x370 for a single gpu
literally no reason to buy that when quality b350 boards are much cheaper

>>61806110
>but whatever the fuck you do, DON'T get Windows 8
Why?

>tfw it'll be years until SSDs are cheap enough to replace HDDs

>everyone got called downstairs for dinner
>page 8

man...

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I see all these self proclaimed though guys building PCs without the I/O shield, but isn't that pretty dangerous?

I mean, what else is there stopping a yanked cable from ripping out the port and damaging the motherboard?

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Friend's selling pic related.
In /g/'s opinion, how much is it worth to the average pleb?

>>61805940
There is a big difference between that ref 1080 Ti and MSI one.

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need 48 port switch for 30 computers doing nothing special tell me what to buy i need it in 3 days my budget is 10 dollars

the captcha reads - close nutfield

>>61806610
$50.

I wouldn't touch that with a 10 ft pole

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>>61805983
>>61805983
Please respond senpai.

>>61806134
>windows

>>61806721
I want the convenience of M$ products, my concern is really just whether 7 will stay compatible with new games long enough or not.

>>61806693
>(you)
>the average pleb

What is generally the best partner cards?

im getting a ryzen 7 1700, i can just go with the stock cooler right?

or should i order a H7 along with it as well

>>61806864
Fuck you msg me for and not answer his question?

>>61806952
you can hit 3.8ghz easily

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Going to go with this, unless anyone has any more suggestions.

>>61807109
you are spending more money on your fucking ram than your gpu??
is this a chrome browsing build

>>61807109
>x370
>fucking $400 for 16gb ddr4

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zDBkQV

Yo, how can i cool down a gpu? i have a r7 250x, i use it for old games so i don't need more power but the fan is pretty loud

>>61807166
Not an argument.

>>61807247
I appreciate you going to the trouble of building me a list, but is there no cheaper option for 3200? I'd really like to take full advantage of the hardware, and the mobo /pcbg/ recommended supports 3200.

>vega 56 releasing in september
So will the partner cards too right?

>>61807290
then just a better gpu you retard
or everything you do will be gpu limited that your fucking 3200 ram isnt going to make any difference

>>61807384
Derp, help a retarded guy out then. Where do I go up from a RX580 while staying with AMD? The cheapest Vega card I know I can get in Canada is $1200+, no way I can afford that.