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why is the linux community so homophobic?
why are there so few results? what is keeping lgbt+ people from using and talking about linux? is it because the linux community is toxic and homophobic and highly oppressive?
why do no linux distros have .lgbt websites to attract lgbt+ involvment
Wanting to have your dick cut off, is a mental illness.
Wanting to mutilate your vagina, is a mental illness.
I dont enable the mentally ill, i suggest they talk to a psychiatrist and a therapist for help.
It is right and proper to mention the principal contribution first. The GNU contribution to the system is not only bigger than Linux and prior to Linux, we actually started the whole activity.
However, if you prefer to call the system “Linux/GNU”, that is a lot better than what people usually do, which is to omit GNU entirely and make it seem that the whole system is Linux.
why does /flt/ hate GNU so much?
>fought for your freedoms
>build the free software community
>developed an operating system for you
is asking to call what they have done by its name too much?
The Linux Command Line, yes.
And /flt/ predates /fglt/ by a whole year. Using the same logic you should cease creating /fglt/ threads.
Let's put it this way. I'm going to call it GNU/Linux when /fglt/ is abandoned for /flt/.
Let's see how you like your own medicine.
It only takes a second to say or type “GNU/”. If you appreciate the system that we developed, can't you take one second to recognize our work?
See my proposition above. >>61783778
/flt/ is both older AND started the whole activity (i.e. Linux general threads).
Stop making /fglt/ threads in favour of /flt/ and I'm going to type the three letters and a slash.
Compare autotools and cmake for instance. Autotools is overdesigned, incredibly complex, super-slow bloated garbage. cmake is fast and easy to use. Autotools is GNU, cmake is not.
I respect the work of Linus more than that of RMS, so I will follow his naming convention.
Ubuntu is another noob-friendly distro, but the default flavour sucks. Try Xubuntu or Ubuntu MATE, they are 99% vanilla Ubuntu with a different desktop.
Then there's OpenSUSE. It's got some rough edges but I like it.
It comes in two editions:
Leap - regular release
Tumbleweed - rolling release, you get the newest packages as soon as they are released and tested
He calls the complete system Linux, and so do I. Yes, he did not write the entirety of it. I apologize beforehand, but I am going to call you a retard for making such an obvious statement.
>real contribution to Linux
>not just piggybacking off of Linus
When we ask people to say “GNU/Linux”, we are not dividing people. We are asking them to give the GNU Project credit for the GNU operating system. This does not criticize anyone or push anyone away.
However, there are people who do not like our saying this. Sometimes those people push us away in response. On occasion they are so rude that one wonders if they are intentionally trying to intimidate us into silence. It doesn't silence us, but it does tend to divide the community, so we hope you can convince them to stop.
However, this is only a secondary cause of division in our community. The largest division in the community is between people who appreciate free software as a social and ethical issue and consider proprietary software a social problem (supporters of the free software movement), and those who cite only practical benefits and present free software only as an efficient development model (the open source movement).
This disagreement is not just a matter of names—it is a matter of differing basic values. It is essential for the community to see and think about this disagreement. The names “free software” and “open source” are the banners of the two positions. See Why Open Source misses the point of Free Software.
The disagreement over values partially aligns with the amount of attention people pay to the GNU Project's role in our community. People who value freedom are more likely to call the system “GNU/Linux”, and people who learn that the system is “GNU/Linux” are more likely to pay attention to our philosophical arguments for freedom and community (which is why the choice of name for the system makes a real difference for society). However, the disagreement would probably exist even if everyone knew the system's real origin and its proper name, because the issue is a real one. It can only go away if we who value freedom either persuade everyone (which won't be easy) or are defeated entirely (let's hope not).
Just ignore the gnushits. Yesterday when we ignored them, several of them flipped out and began spamming the thread and it looks like they got b& so it works out for us if we just report them and carry on doing what we're doing.
Now I have a serious question, NixOS or GuixSD?
And do they effectively obsolete Docker?
It's the word Linux uses to generalize the family of operating systems, and since we respect him more than RMS, we follow his naming convention. This is not about right. We all have right to do whatever the fuck we want.
guy from the last thread here, I still have the problem
I have installed busybox on my Linux mint machine, it works, but I always need to prefix "busybox program" to execute a command
what can I do so busybox replaces the GNU stuff? how does the linking work? do I need to link everything myself?
Do you guys refer to Android as simply "Linux" aswell? It contains the same amont of Linux as in GNU/Linux.
So, I just installed ubuntu on my machine with a VM. I have also been through numerous tutorials on youtube and other websites. I've memorized various commands via the commands line and have python and java installed. So what do I do now? What is the next step of learning linux?
>Bionic libc, mksh shell, Toybox as core utilities beginning with Android 6.0, previously native core utilities with a few from NetBSD
Busybox comes as a single executable, but it always checks what filename it was executed as.
For example, if you make a symbolic link called ls to the busybox executable and execute it, busybox will run ls.
Is it possible in bash to pass input to a program as you start it up and then continue using it like normal? For example when you open a file in vim while it's already open in another instance, you have to press "o" to confirm that you want to open it as read-only. Would it be possible to do something likeecho "o" | vim kode.py
I tried that and several variations but I can't figure it out.
Wait, it doesn't. I thought it worked (replacing the meme arrow with a pipe obv) but when I actually do anything nothing much happens.
Well whatever, at this point it's more trouble than just waiting a bit and pressing o manually.
hey linux community, I have a linux question on setting up a linux os on my new linux box
i just bought a new linux laptop for installing linux on it, now, i want to know, which linux is the best linux for linux development in general? my linux machine has recent hardware, so a lightweight linux distro isn't really required. which linux distro would you suggest in order to have the best linux experience?
You can find out which file it's reading from and write something to that in parallel. something along those lines when done manually:[email protected]:~$ w
23:55:01 up 1 day, 9:24, 2 users, load average: 2.05, 2.03, 2.05
USER TTY FROM [email protected] IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT
andrey pts/2 192.168.1.34 23:36 17.00s 0.12s 0.01s nano
andrey pts/4 192.168.1.34 23:54 6.00s 0.08s 0.00s w
[email protected]:~$ echo hello > /dev/pts/2
At this point in another terminal that runs anon the text 'hello' appears.
I have an RPM Package.
I'm trying to manually install said RPM Package, and it has dependencies that I don't have installed. Do I have to go down the list one-by-one or is there a way to streamline the process? Thanks.
I'm a fucking casual normie.
I had enough of Windows' shit and decided to switch over. Installed Manjaro KDE edition and have been mostly smooth sailing since.
I know a little bit about the history of FOSS, GNU and Linux, and the interjection copypasta - but not quite enough to give a shit.
Which thread should I reside in if I just wanna talk about general linux shit, without getting embroiled in the autism? I honestly don't understand the distinction and the little pissy feud, and definitely don't care.
(le reddit x-posted this in the other thread for both opinions :)
When did anyone force you to something? All what GNU does is asking for equal mention. OP of the other thread thinks it's justified. So GNU got equal mention.
It's not like that the other thread is called Friendly GNU Thread and tries to exclude Linux completly (unlike this thread does).
There is no gnu tools on my system.
I dont use glibc
I dont use coreutils
I dont use gcc
I dont use bash
My system is 100% gnu tools free.
I run Linux
Others run the same setup, i will not call it gnu/Linux, I will call it Linux.
I moved from windows; used to set up Google drive and move my Documents folder to *inside* the drive folder, so all My Documents would sync.
Since there's no official Drive app for linux, is there an alternative? I only have about 11GB of files, but that's too big for my dropbox (which I already also use).
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
Is safe to use I2p official ppa or should I use the jar file instead?
You LITERALLY fucking are, not more then 2 post above your post, and various posts in this thread BLINDLY demand that its called gnu/Linux.
Stallman has made money the past 30 fucking years forcing people to call it gnu/Linux.
I will have none of it
>the Linux Kernel
Linux is the kernel, there's nothing else Linus has written which is called Linux other then the kernel called Linux. Some of you may already use Linux without knowing: Its the kernel in your Android system.
gnu conversation will be met with the same hostilities and overall unpleasantness that has been forced on LInux users the past 8 months that fglt usurped the friendly Linux threads.
Cant deal with what you dished?
>only for shitposting
Because you gnufags wont leave our thread alone, you inferiority complex is showing, and you cant understand a world where gnu is not being used.
I dont use gnu.
This is my thread, gnu's communist religious ideologies are not welcome here. Go to your own thread and circlejerk the gnu philosophies. This is not a political thread, this is a technical thread.This thread is about technological superiority(Linux)
Where faggots interject 20 times a thread and spam the thread with" YOU MEAN GNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO+LINUX" 100 times per thread?
No the gnu community is full of reddit teir "celebrities" who feel the need to completely side swipe the conversation and assert "dominance' on the thread with their gnu shit.
Why are you in this thread if you hate it so much?
Oh right your self righteousness prevents you from leaving people alone to their own thing
No, I've forked your thread and will continue too.
How you act is up to grabs.
You welcome forking and the flow of freedom.
I am free of you gnu tards with my fork.
But you constantly harrase it, would you do this with a foss libre project that forked from you? Would you go in their tracker/website and spam it with nonsense?
I do NOT use gnu.
I will not be forced to say i use gnu.
It will not be assumed i use gnu
I will not follow posts spammming "BUT YOU MEAN GNU" all day long, blocking other posts from being scene and derailing the threads.
Dont like this thread?
Fuck off to another one like a man.
You can safely replace many gnu projects with replacement alternatives.
It is well documented.
If people want to switch away from gnu that is their perogative, and you constantly spamming BUT NO YOU CANT DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO USE THE PRECIOUS GNU YOU HAVE TOO, isnt welcome.
You dont need gnu in this current year of 2017.
how about stop being a baby about calling an OS by what it rightfully is. You may not use GNU, but many that use the Linux kernel do so by of GNU/Linux. Without GNU, the Linux systems many utilize around the world would not be here for other people and this discussion would not be had. Please be respectful of the fact that GNU/Linux exists, just as I respect the fact you yourself may just use Linux. Most all newcomers use GNU/Linux firstly, they should know where credit should be given.
Pretty damn communist to me
"You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License."
Which means you (first party) can sell it to some other guy (second party). How do you think how Red Hat or the Linux Foundation makes billions of money with GPL software?
I've consistently had issues with shutdown and exiting i3. I'll run into stop jobs running forever, hangs, etc.
I've found that the most reliable way I have to avoid it is to do
pkill -TERM -u <myusername>
to terminate everything I'm running and logging in again from tty before shutting down. My question is, does this have a chance of fucking up something? I assume that since it's TERM instead of KILL it shouldn't give me problems.
ALL software should not be defacto free for everyone to do what they wish.
Software that is backed by money(RHEL) will always be superior to software backed by random code monkeys across the world.
Hell even MICROSOFT pays for linux development
If there was a distro that wasnt RHEL, and i liked it, i would be fine buying it(with real money not your fake internet monies)
GPL3 differs from GPL2 in following things:
1) Patents, i.e. you can't circumvent GPL3 by using GPL software as something you build your software on, but then don't share it because while source code may be available, you patent the code. It was possible with GPL2.
2) DMCA, i.e. you can't circumvent GPL3 with using DMCA which makes circumventing DRM illegal in US. It was possible with GPL2.
3) Tivoization, i.e. you can't circumvent GPL3 using digital encryption, when you release the source code, but not the necessary cryptographic keys.
The problem with gplv3 is that it forces hardware vendors to offer a way to change the code (firmware) that is already on the device.
with gplv2 you only need to release the code.
Running a program as you wish is an essencial freedom and has always been part of the GPL. There's no point in showing you the source code of a (free software licensed) system, when you can modify it and run your own version, but this happens when you lock a system down with hash checks, key signs, etc. It's like embedding free software in proprietary software, showing you the code which is hidden in the proprietary binary, but you have no access to it.
You don't call Android android/Linux, you also don't call it Linux.
You don't call macOS MacOS/XNU, you also don't call it XNU.
You don't call windows windows/nt, you also don't call it NT.
Therefore, it's not Linux, it's not GNU/Linux. It's just GNU.
the solution is "Linux"
people dont say NT/Win32/Windows
people don't say XNU/MACH/Macos
we all know why Stallman insist so much on Gnu/Linux.
I wonder if people who defend this madness are trolling or just stupid.
There are no politics in this thread, those that use Linux, without gnu, call it Linux. If you do not like that people dont use gnu software, you can go to /fglt/ and happily join the circle jerk
Yeah, and in many cases the only reason political fuckery has any effect is because the general population lets it.
We're just all standing around in a circle basically watching two groups go at it until the end of time for no reason at all.
Just call it something totally different and be done with it. The politics would continue on the side, but Linus does not get to decide what people call it any more than he gets to decide what people do with it. Stallman does not get to decide what people call it either.
The community is who decides what it's called.
If you have big voices insisting on fighting over it when technically neither of them has the actual right to do so, then it's up to the rest of us to decide what it's called.
Maybe in the future mainstream distro will compile the kernel with clang (there are already patches that kinda work) and will use a non-gnu userland, then these endless discussion will end.
But the problem is nobody really owns it and it's a fluid OS where anything can change.
Despite the fact that the userland is infinitely more likely to be replaced than the kernel is
_hypothetically speaking_, would you actually view it as a totally different OS if the kernel were somehow replaced with something else and all the major distros also migrated to the new kernel?
Most users would just see a kernel upgrade and wouldn't even think twice. It wouldn't change their experience in almost any way
The point is neither the userland or the kernel can really be called the OS itself. It's really the community and the people maintaining it, and the distro maintainers and their goals and way of doing things and branding.
It's more than just GNU and it's more than just Linux.
Even if "Linux" wins, or "GNU", or "GNU/Linux" the FACT of the matter is that's still not an accurate representation of the OS anyway. So why the fuck are we wasting so much time fighting over it?
That doesn't change anything.
Linux will always be just a kernel, the software combination it runs with doesn't change that.
The other distributions will always be GNU/Linux systems, since it's a combination of 2 systems, GNU and Linux.
I dont use gnu tools on my system. I will not call it gnu. It is Linux
My governor is set to "powersave" but the CPU frequency is always locked on 2.2 GHz causing massive battery drain, and the hardware and software range is 0.5 ~ 2.7 GHz.
Tried to install cpufreq but it's not working on Mint 18.2. I have an i5 5200U.
Any thoughts on what can I do?
Debian or Ubuntu? I just need to run jars and write python stuff for work. Botnet is no concern because i work for botnet. Work lets me use my X220 (not a software dev, but scripting is useful for our projects).
one definition of linux is just the kernel. gradually, the colloquism of another "linux" has come to define an OS using the linux kernel as well. personally, i adhere to the more pure definition of linux as the kernel, but it's fine for ppl to use "linux" to mean an OS
ur shitposting is appreciated
I just want the one that "just werks". I had my one year of Arch fanaticism, so i guess you know how resigned i feel.
Appreciate your input
Last time i used ubuntu was...version 8 or something? My curiosity of how much juicier it's gotten is fighting my utilitarian leaning toward debian. Using Ubuntu won't be bothersome or anything, will it?
This is GNU, the kernel. It's not an OS where you install GNU, the kernel, in it; it is the GNU, the kernel
I'm using alphine on my desktop and on my server.
Whats a good way to make my own keyboard shortcuts? Just used xmodmap to rebind caps lock to ctrl and alt_r to mod3. Want to use alt_r + hjkl as arrow keys. I have this already on my desktop (done in hardware though). Just need it on my memepad.
>When we ask people to say “GNU/Linux”, we are not dividing people
>This disagreement is not just a matter of names—it is a matter of differing basic values.
You are asking people to give up their values, of course you are trying to divide people. Free software (as opposed to just open source) has the same goal. Rather than allowing proprietary and free software to live together in harmony, GNU licenses seek to infect every codebase they live in, rejecting every line that does not accept their personal definition of free.
So I have recently installed mint 18 xfce, my first time using loonix. And I cant get my tv to work with it through hdmi. It does detect it but tv shows no signal. This laptop has a dual core t4200 with integrated graphics . What can I try?
dont use arch, it's a gnu-cucked distro and highly depends on systemd
there are ways to remove gnu communism and systemd crap, but why all the hassle
just install alpine if you want true freedom
Hey guys, I made a license for /flt/ in order to fix the communist GPL cancer. Please rate."THE TRUE-FREEDOM PUBLIC LICENSE":
This program is truly free software. As long as you retain this notice
you are free to restrict the use of this program any further or close
the source entirely and hide backdoors, spyware or other malware inside.
Pointless. If you want "true freedom" you can just release things into the public domain. If you're claiming copyright on something and then licensing it, that automatically confers onto it a set of legal restrictions.
You're missing the point anon. "true freedom" implies that things are free as in freedom. When you release things into the public domain, people can take those things and turn it into slavery. Thats not what you want when you aim for freedom, if you don't care if what you set free will actually be free or not, public domain, bsd, mit, wtfpl, etc is fine.
The downside is that those "permissive" licenses enable at the end more proprietary software than copyleft licenses, which have so called "restrictive" rules, making sure what you set free, will stay free.
I agree which is why I say GPL is probably best for most projects. However I think public domain is valid for things which are useful but the author doesn't want to have to worry about any maintenance whatsoever.
Just saying, "don't give a fuck" includes turning the code into non-free blobs, which results in things like
>not allowed to read the source code
>not allowed to change the source code
>not allowed to run the program as you wish
>not allowed to share the source code with your friends
>not allowed to share your modifications with your friends
One day people will realize the benefits of copyleft.
That said, it's pretty difficult for people to realize why copyleft is superior; normal people aren't lawyers and don't know about the shady companies tricks.
Took myself a while to figute it out, thanks to /g/ autism.
that should be about enough...
why does using a command line interface feel so damn comfy?
feels like a blanket and hot cocoa everytime
There's so much happening right now with Wayland, GNOME3, KDE Plasma.
What RAM usage do you guys get on boot-up with GNOME3 on Wayland and KDE on Wayland?
Do any of you use it with Intel GPUs and does everything just werk because muh intel open source?
Would a 1.5GB RAM + intel GMA950 machine be enough to run GNOME3 Wayland or KDE?
Dude the point of the /flt/ thread isn't to completely negate anything that is incidentally or sideways connected to GNU, it's to clamp down on the Stallman shits. But okay I don't blame you for coming down hard on those shitheels, they are fucking vermin.
Fair enough but don't become the thing you hate.
The reason this thread came about was because the Stallman shits were shitting on everyone instead of just finding some common ground.
goddamn it, even with two concurrent threads we can't stick to the topic and keep getting tangled up in bullshit about ideology, phrasing, and politics
can we just go with something like "/fgaolrsas/ - friendly gnu and/or linux related systems and software thread" and cut the crap?
Thank you for your input but I would prefer to install the distro of my choosing, for better or worse. At the end of the day the purpose of installing gentoo, for me, is more checking it off my bucket list than anything else. That being said, I will definitely put alpine on said list, as it looks as though it would also be a valuable learning experience.
So did I, and I still do. The fact of the matter is that there is just going to be a bunch of idiots screaming at eachother in these threads, you can still help the handful of people that are genuinely looking for help, but if you want be rid of the shitposting this unfortunately is not the place to stick around.