/flt/ - Friendly Linux Thread -

>>61783349
It's from that cli book, right?

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>>61783446
why is the linux community so homophobic?
why are there so few results? what is keeping lgbt+ people from using and talking about linux? is it because the linux community is toxic and homophobic and highly oppressive?

why do no linux distros have .lgbt websites to attract lgbt+ involvment

>>61783483
Because Linux people dont give a shit about your mental illness, only code.

>>61783503
>I should spew hate speech and call a massive group of people mentally ill, that is how I can show I am not a homophobic pig

>>61783547
Wanting to have your dick cut off, is a mental illness.
Wanting to mutilate your vagina, is a mental illness.
I dont enable the mentally ill, i suggest they talk to a psychiatrist and a therapist for help.

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>>61783349
It is right and proper to mention the principal contribution first. The GNU contribution to the system is not only bigger than Linux and prior to Linux, we actually started the whole activity.

However, if you prefer to call the system “Linux/GNU”, that is a lot better than what people usually do, which is to omit GNU entirely and make it seem that the whole system is Linux.

>>61783587
>>61783547
I wonder if it's a GNU person trying to stir shit up because his precious GNU is not included in the OP.

>>61783674
The name is not an attribution list. Linux is nice and catchy. GNU is repulsive.

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why does /flt/ hate GNU so much?
>fought for your freedoms
>build the free software community
>developed an operating system for you
is asking to call what they have done by its name too much?

>>61783724
You're attributing way too much to GNU.

>>61783446
The Linux Command Line, yes.

>>61783674
And /flt/ predates /fglt/ by a whole year. Using the same logic you should cease creating /fglt/ threads.
Let's put it this way. I'm going to call it GNU/Linux when /fglt/ is abandoned for /flt/.
Let's see how you like your own medicine.

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>>61783714
It only takes a second to say or type “GNU/”. If you appreciate the system that we developed, can't you take one second to recognize our work?

>>61783724
/g/ hates him because he has confidence in himself unlike them

Ignore gnu posts!

>>61783785
See my proposition above. >>61783778
/flt/ is both older AND started the whole activity (i.e. Linux general threads).
Stop making /fglt/ threads in favour of /flt/ and I'm going to type the three letters and a slash.

>>61783724
Compare autotools and cmake for instance. Autotools is overdesigned, incredibly complex, super-slow bloated garbage. cmake is fast and easy to use. Autotools is GNU, cmake is not.

>>61783785
I respect the work of Linus more than that of RMS, so I will follow his naming convention.

I'm new to Linux and I'm trying Feodra as a starting point and it's pretty nice. Any other distros for new users to recommend?

>>61783836
Nobody is asking you to call Linux, the kernel, GNU/Linux.

>>61783853
I use Ubuntu at my workplace, in a VM. It's what I've been using for years, simple and gets the job done.

>>61783882
I am not talking about the kernel. I'm talking about calling the whole system Linux, the way Linus does.

>>61783905
Linus didn't write a complete system.

Stop shitting the thread up.
They will go away if no one responds.
You cant win against a stallmanist,just ignore and proceed on

>>61783853
Ubuntu is another noob-friendly distro, but the default flavour sucks. Try Xubuntu or Ubuntu MATE, they are 99% vanilla Ubuntu with a different desktop.

Then there's OpenSUSE. It's got some rough edges but I like it.
It comes in two editions:
Leap - regular release
Tumbleweed - rolling release, you get the newest packages as soon as they are released and tested

>>61783914
He calls the complete system Linux, and so do I. Yes, he did not write the entirety of it. I apologize beforehand, but I am going to call you a retard for making such an obvious statement.

>>61783914
Nor did GNU.
Every distro today is third-party and glued together from unrelated components.
What gives you the right to only credit GNU?

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>>61783785
>Stallman
>real contribution to Linux
>not just piggybacking off of Linus

>>61783960
Ignore troll posts. GNU/Fags are out of arguments and need a strawman.

>>61783785
You're dividing the whole linux community with your GNU/ crap, its just annoying, cant you see the fglt-flt thing? that roots on your gnushit

what keyboards do you fags use?

Just sage and report for trolling

>>61784005
Ducky legend. reds

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>>61783989
When we ask people to say “GNU/Linux”, we are not dividing people. We are asking them to give the GNU Project credit for the GNU operating system. This does not criticize anyone or push anyone away.

However, there are people who do not like our saying this. Sometimes those people push us away in response. On occasion they are so rude that one wonders if they are intentionally trying to intimidate us into silence. It doesn't silence us, but it does tend to divide the community, so we hope you can convince them to stop.

However, this is only a secondary cause of division in our community. The largest division in the community is between people who appreciate free software as a social and ethical issue and consider proprietary software a social problem (supporters of the free software movement), and those who cite only practical benefits and present free software only as an efficient development model (the open source movement).

This disagreement is not just a matter of names—it is a matter of differing basic values. It is essential for the community to see and think about this disagreement. The names “free software” and “open source” are the banners of the two positions. See Why Open Source misses the point of Free Software.

The disagreement over values partially aligns with the amount of attention people pay to the GNU Project's role in our community. People who value freedom are more likely to call the system “GNU/Linux”, and people who learn that the system is “GNU/Linux” are more likely to pay attention to our philosophical arguments for freedom and community (which is why the choice of name for the system makes a real difference for society). However, the disagreement would probably exist even if everyone knew the system's real origin and its proper name, because the issue is a real one. It can only go away if we who value freedom either persuade everyone (which won't be easy) or are defeated entirely (let's hope not).

>>61784053
You are being obnoxious, and don't pretend you don't know this.

>>61783943
What gives you the right to only credit Linux?

Just ignore the gnushits. Yesterday when we ignored them, several of them flipped out and began spamming the thread and it looks like they got b& so it works out for us if we just report them and carry on doing what we're doing.
Now I have a serious question, NixOS or GuixSD?
And do they effectively obsolete Docker?

>>61783483
quit trying to slide the thread. i'm gay but no one cares if i am, and no one should. keep that stuff in the bedroom, and don't reject your gender

>>61784115
It's the word Linux uses to generalize the family of operating systems, and since we respect him more than RMS, we follow his naming convention. This is not about right. We all have right to do whatever the fuck we want.

>>61783349
best chromebook distro?

>>61784167
Alpine

>>61784186
How can you refer to an operating system as Linux if Linux is not an operating system?

>>61784260
I am not autistic so I understand that it's possible for a word to have multiple meanings.

>>61784260
Linux is a kernel, GNU is a philosophy. say what you mean

guy from the last thread here, I still have the problem

I have installed busybox on my Linux mint machine, it works, but I always need to prefix "busybox program" to execute a command

what can I do so busybox replaces the GNU stuff? how does the linking work? do I need to link everything myself?

>>61783483
>tfw they 404d my thread

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Do you guys refer to Android as simply "Linux" aswell? It contains the same amont of Linux as in GNU/Linux.

>>61783349
So, I just installed ubuntu on my machine with a VM. I have also been through numerous tutorials on youtube and other websites. I've memorized various commands via the commands line and have python and java installed. So what do I do now? What is the next step of learning linux?

>>61784296
>busybox --install /usr/bin/

>>61784362
Android does not use gnu software though.

>>61784362
>Bionic libc,[5] mksh shell,[6] Toybox as core utilities beginning with Android 6.0,[7][8] previously native core utilities with a few from NetBSD[9][10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

>>61784296
Busybox comes as a single executable, but it always checks what filename it was executed as.
For example, if you make a symbolic link called ls to the busybox executable and execute it, busybox will run ls.

>>61784537
>>61784489
>completly missing the point
How retarded are you that you don't get such a simple question?

>>61784489
>Android
It's just Linux.

>>61784362
Android doesn't follow POSIX standards, so no.

>>61784721
neither does linux

>>61784743
Linux with GNU or a similar userspace does

why don't we call it friendly unix thread?

>>61784792
IIRC it is nearly POSIX compliant. It isn't 100% though.

>>61784823
BSD FAGS GTFO

>>61784823
Because macfags.

Hi guys, looking for a rolling release distro for a laptop, I'm thinking about Antergos and OpenSuse. Anything I should take into consideration before I make a decision?

>>61784845
>implying 100% compatibility matters

>>61784855
Both, Antergos and OpenSUSE use GNUshit.
I'd recommend Alpine instead.

Is it possible in bash to pass input to a program as you start it up and then continue using it like normal? For example when you open a file in vim while it's already open in another instance, you have to press "o" to confirm that you want to open it as read-only. Would it be possible to do something like

echo "o" | vim kode.py

?
I tried that and several variations but I can't figure it out.

>>61784855
install alpine

>>61784907
>current year
>using bash
uninstall that commieware and use zsh

>>61784891
>>61784908
Ok, why should I use that? That's the first time I even heard of it. What's wrong with GNU software?

>>61784936
I'm ssh'd into a university server, can't do that unfortunately.

>>61784937
GNU is fine. Ignore these guys and ask in the other thread if you want actual help.

>>61784907

andrey@Shanghai:~$ sh -c "echo a; cat" >a.txt
ffff
andrey@Shanghai:~$ cat a.txt
a
ffff
andrey@Shanghai:~$

>>61785009
Dope, thanks, that works well.

>>61783349
>"Linux/GNU" would be more technically accurate since the kernel boots first and everything else runs on top of it
What about GRUB?

>>61785127
It's not involved in operation of the system, just launches it and then stops working.

>>61785087
Wait, it doesn't. I thought it worked (replacing the meme arrow with a pipe obv) but when I actually do anything nothing much happens.
Well whatever, at this point it's more trouble than just waiting a bit and pressing o manually.

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hey linux community, I have a linux question on setting up a linux os on my new linux box
i just bought a new linux laptop for installing linux on it, now, i want to know, which linux is the best linux for linux development in general? my linux machine has recent hardware, so a lightweight linux distro isn't really required. which linux distro would you suggest in order to have the best linux experience?

>>61785195
Well, works perfectly for me with nano. Probably just the picky vim refusing to read input from pipe.

>>61785230
Yea I guess, it also prints "warning, input not from terminal" so..

>>61785248
You can find out which file it's reading from and write something to that in parallel. something along those lines when done manually:

andrey@Shanghai:~$ w
 23:55:01 up 1 day,  9:24,  2 users,  load average: 2.05, 2.03, 2.05
USER     TTY      FROM             LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
andrey   pts/2    192.168.1.34     23:36   17.00s  0.12s  0.01s nano
andrey   pts/4    192.168.1.34     23:54    6.00s  0.08s  0.00s w
andrey@Shanghai:~$ echo hello > /dev/pts/2

At this point in another terminal that runs anon the text 'hello' appears.

>>61783349
anyone know how to turn off the screen saver in mate 1.16?

I have an RPM Package.
I'm trying to manually install said RPM Package, and it has dependencies that I don't have installed. Do I have to go down the list one-by-one or is there a way to streamline the process? Thanks.

>>61785293
that's pretty neat

>>61785313
install alpine

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I'm a fucking casual normie.

I had enough of Windows' shit and decided to switch over. Installed Manjaro KDE edition and have been mostly smooth sailing since.

I know a little bit about the history of FOSS, GNU and Linux, and the interjection copypasta - but not quite enough to give a shit.

Which thread should I reside in if I just wanna talk about general linux shit, without getting embroiled in the autism? I honestly don't understand the distinction and the little pissy feud, and definitely don't care.

(le reddit x-posted this in the other thread for both opinions :)
>>61785370

>>61785398
ignore gnutards and their shitty agenda
this is the real /flt/

>>61785398
>le

>>61785475
the other thread is friendlier in regards to discussions for newcomers to GNU/Linux

>>61785702
Linux*

>inb4 proving your point
Wrong. You'd probably correct people saying "Linux*, which is what most people call it

>>61785702
We dont force a religious ideology on people in this thread.

>>61785379
how does that stop the screen saver?

>>61785832
When did anyone force you to something? All what GNU does is asking for equal mention. OP of the other thread thinks it's justified. So GNU got equal mention.

It's not like that the other thread is called Friendly GNU Thread and tries to exclude Linux completly (unlike this thread does).

>>61786006
There is no gnu tools on my system.
I dont use glibc
I dont use coreutils
I dont use gcc
I dont use bash
My system is 100% gnu tools free.
I run Linux
Others run the same setup, i will not call it gnu/Linux, I will call it Linux.

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I moved from windows; used to set up Google drive and move my Documents folder to *inside* the drive folder, so all My Documents would sync.

Since there's no official Drive app for linux, is there an alternative? I only have about 11GB of files, but that's too big for my dropbox (which I already also use).

>>61786066
Search "google drive linux".For your answer
Which you should have done before you posted

>>61786065
>I will call it Linux.
but anon, linux is just the kernel

>>61783349
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

>>61786065
It means more then just the Linux Kernel you retard,which is why you stallkikes dont understand,you're too autistic to know what it actually references.

>>61786065
Nobody is asking to call your system GNU when you don't run a GNU system.

>>61786097
but that's wrong senpai

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Is safe to use I2p official ppa or should I use the jar file instead?

>>61786145
>assumes Linux means GNU too
>interjects

>>61786145
You LITERALLY fucking are, not more then 2 post above your post, and various posts in this thread BLINDLY demand that its called gnu/Linux.
Stallman has made money the past 30 fucking years forcing people to call it gnu/Linux.

I will have none of it

>>61786137
>the Linux Kernel
Linux is the kernel, there's nothing else Linus has written which is called Linux other then the kernel called Linux. Some of you may already use Linux without knowing: Its the kernel in your Android system.

>>61786195
Android is a Linux-LIKE kernel

>>61786217
So it isn't Linux you say?

>>61785760
>>61785832
Y'all aren't being very friendly, GNU/Linux discussion should be friendly.

>>61786195
android doesn't run a regular Linux kernel, it runs a heavily patched version by Google and various manufacturers

>>61786235
Linux discussion*

>>61786235
gnu conversation will be met with the same hostilities and overall unpleasantness that has been forced on LInux users the past 8 months that fglt usurped the friendly Linux threads.

Cant deal with what you dished?

>>61786237
So, with the patches removed, it would turn Android into just Linux?

>>61786270
With the patches removed, you have a non-functional system

>>61786237
>android doesn't run a regular Linux kernel
just say Linux, it teaches our readers what Linux actually is

>>61786291
Nice try Stallman, Linux is an operating system

>>61786301
GNU/Linux is an operating system*

>>61786345
Nobody needs GNU. Install Alpine

>>61786135
Calling Linux GNU/Linux is like calling OS X BSD/OS X

>>61786362
Alpine has GNU dependencies.

>>61786448
https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage doesn't need GNU

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>>61786362
NOPE

>>61786513

https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/commit/?id=139de2d57ce061abdc78f057e5bcf811fb9c3d9b

>>61786575
>shitty man viewer
>needs shitty awk
makes sense

>>61786575
Of course its the same name fuck wit.
Its for compatibility, but if you look at the page you referenced youll notice the source url is not gnu.org. its not gnu owned or coded

>>61786618
>gawk is not a gnu program
ok kid

>>61786575
Some installations of Windows have as many or more GNU programs than Alpine. Does that make Windows GNU/Windows?

>>61786618
gawk is LITERALLY GNU awk you fucking retard fuck off

>>61786711
No. I never said that. I said that it's not completly GNU free.

>>61786711
>Windows
It's just NT*

Why most distros lack a ports system? It's flexible and avoids the "hunt for external packages" problem, plus it integrates into the package manager perfectly.

If you avoid GNU because you don't want to politicalize software, you politicalize software.

>>61786748
Because this isn't BSD

>>61786748
If you want real discussion fglt is that way. This thread is only for shitposting.

>>61786793
fglt is for shitposting

>>61786800
you're mom gay

>>61786814
(You)

>>61783696
you fucking bet

>>61786829
thanks

bump to trigger GNU faggots

>>61786793
>only for shitposting
Because you gnufags wont leave our thread alone, you inferiority complex is showing, and you cant understand a world where gnu is not being used.

I dont use gnu.

>>61787007
GNU/Linux faggots*

>>61787032
>GNUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>61787020
>I dont use gnu.
That's fine, you're still free to join our thread, just leave the hate at home.

>>61787049
no u

>>61787049
No.
This is my thread, gnu's communist religious ideologies are not welcome here. Go to your own thread and circlejerk the gnu philosophies. This is not a political thread, this is a technical thread.This thread is about technological superiority(Linux)

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>>61787044

>>61787095
>they won't leave my thread alone
>no, i won't leave their thread alone
this is how you resolve conflicts, folks :^)

>>61787095
>This thread is about technological superiority
>uses clippled down distros as a political act to show that you hate politcs

>>61787095
Whats wrong with freedom? It lead to a pretty cool community+system, didn't it?

>>61787129
I dont post in the gnu thread. I dont use gnu why would i post here? I have nothing in common with those people that use gnu.

>>61787133
>clipped down
So only RHEL should be used?

>>61787049
Agreed.

Everyone. Take your shit together, stop being stupid and let's stop this embrassing double thread bullcrap. Winfags already laugh at us.

>>61787148
Cool community?
Where faggots interject 20 times a thread and spam the thread with" YOU MEAN GNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO+LINUX" 100 times per thread?
No the gnu community is full of reddit teir "celebrities" who feel the need to completely side swipe the conversation and assert "dominance' on the thread with their gnu shit.

Why are you in this thread if you hate it so much?
Oh right your self righteousness prevents you from leaving people alone to their own thing

Should I get ECC ram if im building a system specifically for passing through hardware to VMs?

>>61787181
No, I've forked your thread and will continue too.

How you act is up to grabs.
You welcome forking and the flow of freedom.
I am free of you gnu tards with my fork.
But you constantly harrase it, would you do this with a foss libre project that forked from you? Would you go in their tracker/website and spam it with nonsense?

>>61787181
here here, can't we all just get along? Whether you call it GNU/Linux or just plain Linux it's all technology. Let's end the hostility.

>>61787206
I don't hate you guys, I just can't watch beginners breaking their systems because you tell them to get rid of "le commie pedo shit".

>>61787273
I do NOT use gnu.
I will not be forced to say i use gnu.
It will not be assumed i use gnu
I will not follow posts spammming "BUT YOU MEAN GNU" all day long, blocking other posts from being scene and derailing the threads.

Dont like this thread?
Fuck off to another one like a man.

>>61787290
You can safely replace many gnu projects with replacement alternatives.
It is well documented.
If people want to switch away from gnu that is their perogative, and you constantly spamming BUT NO YOU CANT DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO USE THE PRECIOUS GNU YOU HAVE TOO, isnt welcome.
You dont need gnu in this current year of 2017.

>>61787305
Nobody forces you.
>>61787334
Nobody says you have to.

>>61787305
how about stop being a baby about calling an OS by what it rightfully is. You may not use GNU, but many that use the Linux kernel do so by of GNU/Linux. Without GNU, the Linux systems many utilize around the world would not be here for other people and this discussion would not be had. Please be respectful of the fact that GNU/Linux exists, just as I respect the fact you yourself may just use Linux. Most all newcomers use GNU/Linux firstly, they should know where credit should be given.

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Cucumber Linux?

how about Stallmanix?

>>61787095
>communist
??? Didn't they teach you in school what communism is?

>>61787547
to many kids nowadays, anything that has "free" attached to it is communism. GNU stresses "free as in freedom" so that equals communism to brainlets.

Should I install Alpine Linux in my ThinkPad?

>>61787547
Pretty damn communist to me

"You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License."

>>61787746
Yes

>>61787786
>third parties
Which means you (first party) can sell it to some other guy (second party). How do you think how Red Hat or the Linux Foundation makes billions of money with GPL software?

>>61787786
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowRequireFee

>>61787926
>sell it
As long as you give them the source
>For example, someone could pay your fee, and then put her copy on a web site for the general public.

>>61788041
Where's the problem?

>>61788041
>As long as you give them the source
so you prefer proprietary software + eulas?

>>61788054
>do all this hard work
>sell it
>they put the source on the web for free.
This is communism

I've consistently had issues with shutdown and exiting i3. I'll run into stop jobs running forever, hangs, etc.

I've found that the most reliable way I have to avoid it is to do
pkill -TERM -u <myusername>

to terminate everything I'm running and logging in again from tty before shutting down. My question is, does this have a chance of fucking up something? I assume that since it's TERM instead of KILL it shouldn't give me problems.

>>61783960
>>61783973
Do you know what GCC is and what is it to Linux?

Why do anti-freedom shills think they are welcome?

>>61788076
ALL software should not be defacto free for everyone to do what they wish.
Software that is backed by money(RHEL) will always be superior to software backed by random code monkeys across the world.
Hell even MICROSOFT pays for linux development
If there was a distro that wasnt RHEL, and i liked it, i would be fine buying it(with real money not your fake internet monies)

>>61788041
>being this retarded
That's literally what Linus does with Linux.
>>61788080
Do you hate Linux too? It's basically communism!

>>61788112
Why is Linux licensed with GPLv2, and not v3?
Oh thats right

>>61788087
Are you not using user sessions?
How do you launch your i3? startx or a login manager?

>>61788148
GPLv2 and 3 have the same clause.

>>61788148
v3 has retarded rules and clauses that Linus refuses to adopt.
Thats how retarded and far fetching stallmans communism goes.

>>61788148
The only difference between the gpl2 and gpl3 is that the gpl3 closes holes which companies abused in order to circument the license.

>>61788163
startx, lightdm was giving me some trouble

>>61788194
GPL3 differs from GPL2 in following things:

1) Patents, i.e. you can't circumvent GPL3 by using GPL software as something you build your software on, but then don't share it because while source code may be available, you patent the code. It was possible with GPL2.

2) DMCA, i.e. you can't circumvent GPL3 with using DMCA which makes circumventing DRM illegal in US. It was possible with GPL2.

3) Tivoization, i.e. you can't circumvent GPL3 using digital encryption, when you release the source code, but not the necessary cryptographic keys.

>>61788204
Anything relevent in dmesg when you exit i3 or when you start it?

>>61788207
>>61788194
The problem with gplv3 is that it forces hardware vendors to offer a way to change the code (firmware) that is already on the device.
with gplv2 you only need to release the code.

>>61788148
if linux was gplv3 there would not be android.
and not embedded linux in general.

>>61788297
No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization

>>61788297
Running a program as you wish is an essencial freedom and has always been part of the GPL. There's no point in showing you the source code of a (free software licensed) system, when you can modify it and run your own version, but this happens when you lock a system down with hash checks, key signs, etc. It's like embedding free software in proprietary software, showing you the code which is hidden in the proprietary binary, but you have no access to it.

>>61788430
can't modify*

>>61788430
So i take it you dont have a mobile device of any sort?

I still say we should just call it "Gnux" and be done with it.

It's simple, catchy, and everyone wins.

>>61788519
That sounds even more faggoty than either GNU or Linux

>>61788528
Well why don't you come up with something then. At least I'm trying to be a part of the solution

>>61788528
You don't call Android android/Linux, you also don't call it Linux.
You don't call macOS MacOS/XNU, you also don't call it XNU.
You don't call windows windows/nt, you also don't call it NT.
Therefore, it's not Linux, it's not GNU/Linux. It's just GNU.

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>>61788554
delet

>>61788538
the solution is "Linux"
people dont say NT/Win32/Windows
people don't say XNU/MACH/Macos
we all know why Stallman insist so much on Gnu/Linux.

I wonder if people who defend this madness are trolling or just stupid.

>>61788554
Q.E.D.

>>61788554
Finish Hurd if you want your """superior""" GNU

>>61788554
GNU HURD JUST GOT SOUND SUPPORT IN 2016
ONLY TOOK 27 YEARS.
BOY I CANT WAIT TILL I DONT HAVE TO USE LINUX KERNEL ANYMORE

>>61788538
Out of honestly this is more of a political issue than anything else.

>>61788578
>>61788574
The GNU system already has a kernel, Linux. That's why Hurd isn't a high priority project and only few people work on it for fun.

>>61788596
Linux system*

Take your communism to another kernel

>>61788585
>political
There are no politics in this thread, those that use Linux, without gnu, call it Linux. If you do not like that people dont use gnu software, you can go to /fglt/ and happily join the circle jerk

>>61788585
Yeah, and in many cases the only reason political fuckery has any effect is because the general population lets it.

We're just all standing around in a circle basically watching two groups go at it until the end of time for no reason at all.

Just call it something totally different and be done with it. The politics would continue on the side, but Linus does not get to decide what people call it any more than he gets to decide what people do with it. Stallman does not get to decide what people call it either.
The community is who decides what it's called.
If you have big voices insisting on fighting over it when technically neither of them has the actual right to do so, then it's up to the rest of us to decide what it's called.

>>61788617
Linux is confirmed communism itself. Check the thread.

Maybe in the future mainstream distro will compile the kernel with clang (there are already patches that kinda work) and will use a non-gnu userland, then these endless discussion will end.

>>61788651
And replace GNU libc (musl), GNU coreutils, GNU awk, GNU binutils, GNU groff, and the rest of the core GNU system

Hey guys I have an idea.

Let's give both sides equal mention and call it "GNU/Linux".

>>61788651
But the problem is nobody really owns it and it's a fluid OS where anything can change.

Despite the fact that the userland is infinitely more likely to be replaced than the kernel is
_hypothetically speaking_, would you actually view it as a totally different OS if the kernel were somehow replaced with something else and all the major distros also migrated to the new kernel?
Most users would just see a kernel upgrade and wouldn't even think twice. It wouldn't change their experience in almost any way

The point is neither the userland or the kernel can really be called the OS itself. It's really the community and the people maintaining it, and the distro maintainers and their goals and way of doing things and branding.

It's more than just GNU and it's more than just Linux.

Even if "Linux" wins, or "GNU", or "GNU/Linux" the FACT of the matter is that's still not an accurate representation of the OS anyway. So why the fuck are we wasting so much time fighting over it?

>>61788651
That doesn't change anything.
Linux will always be just a kernel, the software combination it runs with doesn't change that.
The other distributions will always be GNU/Linux systems, since it's a combination of 2 systems, GNU and Linux.

>>61788708
Linux*

>>61788676
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/heirloom
https://github.com/uutils/coreutils

>>61788651
Debian
https://github.com/ramosian-glider/clang-kernel-build

>>61788708
I dont use gnu tools on my system. I will not call it gnu. It is Linux

>create a thread in order to get rid of gnu
>start holy flame war
>people start researching the topic
>tfw more people learn about gnu than before
is this win?

My governor is set to "powersave" but the CPU frequency is always locked on 2.2 GHz causing massive battery drain, and the hardware and software range is 0.5 ~ 2.7 GHz.

Tried to install cpufreq but it's not working on Mint 18.2. I have an i5 5200U.

Any thoughts on what can I do?

Debian or Ubuntu? I just need to run jars and write python stuff for work. Botnet is no concern because i work for botnet. Work lets me use my X220 (not a software dev, but scripting is useful for our projects).

>>61788745
>It is Linux
Linux is just the kernel.

>>61788768
Sadly Debian and Ubuntu both use GNU software.
You should use Alpine instead, which is completly GNU-free.

>>61788651
http://llvm.linuxfoundation.org/index.php/Quick_Start_Guide

>>61788768
Debian because noobuntu is for noobs

>>61788797
Stop being a troll, troll

>>61788774
one definition of linux is just the kernel. gradually, the colloquism of another "linux" has come to define an OS using the linux kernel as well. personally, i adhere to the more pure definition of linux as the kernel, but it's fine for ppl to use "linux" to mean an OS

>>61788768
Debian
>>61788797
Retard

>>61788755
I neverr had luck with powersave, i use ondemand and it throttles properly,you might want to give that a shot

Which is better, GTK or QT?

>>61788844
QT, gtk is gnu trash

>>61788815
http://kernel.org/
This is Linux, the kernel. It's not an OS where you install Linux, the kernel, in it; it is Linux, the kernel.

>>61788826
That's another issue, I can't change governors.
Powersave is the one listed on cpufreq-info.

>>61788846
>GTK is so lazy that they won't even bother adding thumbnail support that QT has had for years

install bsd, our kernel doesn't even have a name :^)

asker here

>>61788797
ur shitposting is appreciated

>>61788813
I just want the one that "just werks". I had my one year of Arch fanaticism, so i guess you know how resigned i feel.

>>61788818
Appreciate your input

Last time i used ubuntu was...version 8 or something? My curiosity of how much juicier it's gotten is fighting my utilitarian leaning toward debian. Using Ubuntu won't be bothersome or anything, will it?

does anyone itt actually use alpine or are you just pretending?

>>61788913
Friendly Alpine Thread, or as I've recently taken to calling it, /fat/

>>61788852
https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
This is GNU, the kernel. It's not an OS where you install GNU, the kernel, in it; it is the GNU, the kernel


>>61788913
I'm using alphine on my desktop and on my server.

>>61788913
I used to use gentoo with musl but I think the project died since then

Whats a good way to make my own keyboard shortcuts? Just used xmodmap to rebind caps lock to ctrl and alt_r to mod3. Want to use alt_r + hjkl as arrow keys. I have this already on my desktop (done in hardware though). Just need it on my memepad.

>>61788940
Hurd is not a kernel. Mach is a kernel. Hurd is a set of servers. Welcome to microkernel masterrace.

>>61788961
memerace*

I have a bigass 222 MB .rtf File that is the output of a 20 year old MDE.
I need to get the info out of it and input it as tables, sadly my machine wont work as word pussies out.
Any ideas?

>>61788960
isntall alpine linux

>>61789011
you may find the strings command useful depending on your skill level.

I remember using strings to dig a file I haven't saved out of a nano core dump

>>61789011
Install busybox.

>>61789058
delete busybox

>>61788960
xkindkeys

>>61789011
catdoc will let you get the text without formatting to standard output

how to uninstall gnu completly?

>>61789208

rm -rf /*

>>61784053
>When we ask people to say “GNU/Linux”, we are not dividing people
>This disagreement is not just a matter of names—it is a matter of differing basic values.

You are asking people to give up their values, of course you are trying to divide people. Free software (as opposed to just open source) has the same goal. Rather than allowing proprietary and free software to live together in harmony, GNU licenses seek to infect every codebase they live in, rejecting every line that does not accept their personal definition of free.

>>61784907

cat <(echo o) - | vim kode.py

Like that

>>61789382
>Proprietary software
>harmony
pick 1

Hmmm anyone ever built webkitgtk?? How much time it took on a normal consumer-grade POS?
(Xeon fags your are my grapes, and I hate grapes)

>>61789880
A whole day on a shitty quad-core 2.01Ghz ARM cortex-a15

>>61789782
>rms
>no communism
pick one

Is there a graphical installer of Arch that has a base install of Arch? I've been looking into this for a week or so, and I keep coming up with contradictory information.

>>61791091
pacstrap /mnt base
There ya go friendo no need for an installer

>>61789880
six core 3.7ghz took 42 minutes

>>61779425
just put it in your ~/bin/ and do youtube-dl -U
you don't need to use your distro for that just have python and python-setuptools also

>2 or more threads

Kill yourselves you bike-shedding, retarded imbeciles.

>>61791091

>researching useless, idiotic abstraction layers for a week
>could have installed it normally so far

You're not very smart.

I want to give my friend access to an apache folder to host his site.

How do I make sure he only has access to it?

>>61788870

>that QT has had for years
Show me the "thumbnail" support in Qt.

>>61793470

Took me 1 minute (00:60 in microwave time) to find out how using my search engine of choice.
Suggested keywords: linux, make, user, only, use, 1, directory.

So I have recently installed mint 18 xfce, my first time using loonix. And I cant get my tv to work with it through hdmi. It does detect it but tv shows no signal. This laptop has a dual core t4200 with integrated graphics . What can I try?

>>61783349
>kernel boots first
oh we are nitpicking!
>what is GRUB

>>61796183
>what is LILO

>>61796183
what is efistub (linux can be loaded directly as an efi executable)

>>61795629
>mint
install debian

>>61796316
>implying greentext

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>>61796341
is this 2011?

>>61791091
Install Gentoo

I'm running Linux mint but every time I try to boot it gets stuck on a loading wheel icon, any way I can sort this?

How do I replace yaourt with pacaur (or some other aur helper like trizen if they're any good)?
Do I just, like,

yaourt pacaur

and once that's done,

pacaur -Sc yaourt

(

trizen -R yaourt

)?

>>61791091
Arch-anywhere perhaps? Or if you don't mind removing some extra packages, Antergos?

>>61796317
Maybe later, I'd like to get shit working on mint first.

>>61796798
Don't use mint

>>61796863
yea, just like that

>>61791091
dont use arch, it's a gnu-cucked distro and highly depends on systemd
there are ways to remove gnu communism and systemd crap, but why all the hassle
just install alpine if you want true freedom

Hey guys, I made a license for /flt/ in order to fix the communist GPL cancer. Please rate.

"THE TRUE-FREEDOM PUBLIC LICENSE":
This program is truly free software. As long as you retain this notice
you are free to restrict the use of this program any further or close
the source entirely and hide backdoors, spyware or other malware inside.

Thoughts?

>>61798022
This license is dubious and doesn't give permission for the 4 freedoms

>>61798022
This license forces me to "retain this notice", so it's not a "true-freedom" license

>>61798022
We call that BSD or MIT license.

>>61798022
Pointless. If you want "true freedom" you can just release things into the public domain. If you're claiming copyright on something and then licensing it, that automatically confers onto it a set of legal restrictions.

>>61798318
You're missing the point anon. "true freedom" implies that things are free as in freedom. When you release things into the public domain, people can take those things and turn it into slavery. Thats not what you want when you aim for freedom, if you don't care if what you set free will actually be free or not, public domain, bsd, mit, wtfpl, etc is fine.
The downside is that those "permissive" licenses enable at the end more proprietary software than copyleft licenses, which have so called "restrictive" rules, making sure what you set free, will stay free.

>>61798537
communism

>>61798537
true freedom means you have freedom to take away freedoms

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>>61798744
>GGGNNNNNNUUUUUUUUU FREEDOMS

>>61798537
I agree which is why I say GPL is probably best for most projects. However I think public domain is valid for things which are useful but the author doesn't want to have to worry about any maintenance whatsoever.

>>61798283
Like Linus said: "BSD is good for code you don't care about".
If you want to submit code and don't give a fuck, use BSD.

>>61799093
Just saying, "don't give a fuck" includes turning the code into non-free blobs, which results in things like
>not allowed to read the source code
>not allowed to change the source code
>not allowed to run the program as you wish
>not allowed to share the source code with your friends
>not allowed to share your modifications with your friends

>>61799148
One day people will realize the benefits of copyleft.
That said, it's pretty difficult for people to realize why copyleft is superior; normal people aren't lawyers and don't know about the shady companies tricks.
Took myself a while to figute it out, thanks to /g/ autism.

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that should be about enough...

why does using a command line interface feel so damn comfy?

feels like a blanket and hot cocoa everytime

There's so much happening right now with Wayland, GNOME3, KDE Plasma.

What RAM usage do you guys get on boot-up with GNOME3 on Wayland and KDE on Wayland?
Do any of you use it with Intel GPUs and does everything just werk because muh intel open source?

Would a 1.5GB RAM + intel GMA950 machine be enough to run GNOME3 Wayland or KDE?

>>61800545
GNOME is gnu crap, KDE is newfag bloat.
Install Alpine for serious work.

>>61800545
install alpine Linux

>>61800571
Dude the point of the /flt/ thread isn't to completely negate anything that is incidentally or sideways connected to GNU, it's to clamp down on the Stallman shits. But okay I don't blame you for coming down hard on those shitheels, they are fucking vermin.

I used an old version of redhat in the late 90s and I'm trying to find some RPG game that came with it. It was kinda like diablo.

>>61800624
we must destroy the gnu ideology and gpl communism
the more people dont use gnu shit, the better

>>61800662
Fair enough but don't become the thing you hate.
The reason this thread came about was because the Stallman shits were shitting on everyone instead of just finding some common ground.

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>>61800662
What's wrong with GNU?

>>61800710
He's memeing. Don't mind him.

>>61800710
Nothing. This thread is basically satire.

doing my first ever gentoo install, is there any reason I would need multilib? I'm guessing that if I don't know then I probably don't need it but better safe than sorry

>>61801340
>gentoo
outdated old repos
install alpine

goddamn it, even with two concurrent threads we can't stick to the topic and keep getting tangled up in bullshit about ideology, phrasing, and politics
can we just go with something like "/fgaolrsas/ - friendly gnu and/or linux related systems and software thread" and cut the crap?

>>61801349
Thank you for your input but I would prefer to install the distro of my choosing, for better or worse. At the end of the day the purpose of installing gentoo, for me, is more checking it off my bucket list than anything else. That being said, I will definitely put alpine on said list, as it looks as though it would also be a valuable learning experience.

>>61801349
Unsing Alpine myself. Feels great to be free of the GNU.

What's better for a Linus installation, Dell Xps or MacBook pro?

>>61801441
best of all, you can say that you're using Linux and nobody can interject

>>61801407
If I were you I would just go elsewhere for meaningful discussion. lainchan is pretty good, albeit slow, and irc generally isnt as toxic flamewar circlejerk as it is here

>>61801464
That's just a nice side effect. Non-GNU distros are simply superior: no GNU bloar, no GNU-philosophy, no GNU-communism forcing your to anything.

>>61801509
bloat*
you*

>>61801484
i used to enjoy helping people here

NEW THREAD:
>>61801568
>>61801568
>>61801568

getting rid of the GNU/OP bloat edition

>>61801534
So did I, and I still do. The fact of the matter is that there is just going to be a bunch of idiots screaming at eachother in these threads, you can still help the handful of people that are genuinely looking for help, but if you want be rid of the shitposting this unfortunately is not the place to stick around.

>>61801584
That bloat is there for a reason you stupid shit.