/flt/ - Friendly Linux Thread

New Thread: >>61751754

Don't even respond to GNU/Posters.
Let them rage so everyone sees how retarded they are.

Recommend me some good books that would help me really understand Linux. I'm at the point where I could follow the handbook to install gentoo and basically understand what I was doing, but I feel like there's a lot I still don't know properly.
I'd also like to understand the kernel a bit better.
What should I get?

>>61764595
I was under the impression everyone was already doing this

>https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux
>https://prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux/
This triggers pajeets

What's the best way to backup encrypted hard disk? I have it partitioned into several logical volumes and few of them are encrypted. Would like to do regular backups. not sure how...

>>61764693
dd

>>61764675
>>61764695
>>61764701
>>61764705
samefag

WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT IT'S CALLED???

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Hi guys
None of my Tweak tools show up in applications and when i use terminal to launch they dont even work when i try to switch themes
The software center never works
What do?
On Xubuntu 17.04


Also wanted to know how can I make terminal run neofetch on start up?

Thank you

>>61764640
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php

>>61764829
>being this mad

>>61764863
>not being mad at CIA Niggers fucken pajeets fucken

>MUUUUUUH GNUUUUUUUUUU
triggered GNU retards are getting this mad over a dumb name

also
>friendly thread
>blue board

>>61764729
To run something on startup, put it in your rc file (I'm assuming you're using bash, so it would be ~/.bashrc - more for something like neofetch, might be better to put in bash_login or whatever that's called instead).

Not sure about the rest because I don't use xubuntu

Friendly reminder that Richard Stallman doesn't even program anymore and is to busy shilling his communist propaganda

Dear GNU/Fag, could you go to /dpt/ and post basically the same things, but replacing "GNU" with "C++"? Much appreciated.

what version of linux will 'just werks' and can do windows virtualization easily?

A really nice and customizable desktop would be a plus. I liked that one desktop environment that iirc samsung or sony did for linux

linux-libre is pretty good

>>61765081
ubuntu was good for 'just werks' until canonical sold out to MS.

>>61765166
he asked about linux version, not GNU/Linux distro

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GGGGNNNNNNNNUUUUUUUU

>>61765178
nobody cares about GNU. the correct name IS linux

>>61765196
yes, name of the kernel is, in fact, Linux

>>61765211
>the name of the OS is Linux

>>61765236
>the name of the os is NT

>>61765246
>GNU is more than a userspace that can be replaced

>>61765260
>

man no wonder nobody uses linux

>>61765081
Ubuntu is generall the "just werks" one, although Debian is the one that didn't sell out and is pretty similar most respects

You can install any desktop environment you want really, google for screenshots or whatever. Most of them are very customizable. I personally recommend xfce, but you might find that a bit too minimalistic. KDE is a good one if you don't care about bloat and want a lot of fancy stuff.

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>>61765391
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

I'm about to give up. Just spent 8 hours trying to get a desktop on arch and I'm spent. I've been going round in circles with Xorg, KDE and gnome.
>startkde - "DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server"
>startx - terminates immediately, no error
>gnome-session - Terminated
Send help

>>61765835
Are there any errors in the logs? Xorg, syslog, xsession.

I have a question, not sure if it belongs here or in /sqt/. I'm on opensuse tumbleweed, and for some reason all internet-related things take a long time to complete, except for chrom[e|ium]. So like with firefox, when I click a link, it will sit at "connecting..." for several seconds before it progresses. Updating from my repositories takes probably 20-30 seconds, and I'm excluding third-party repos in that number.

wat do?

>>61765835
>>startkde - "DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server"
No shit, xinit or a display manager has to first set up the environment.
>>startx - terminates immediately, no error
Make a file called .xinitrc (with the leading dot) in your home directory and write

exec startkde

in it. Make sure it has read and execute permissions. Then run startx. Did you install GPU drivers, by the way?
>>gnome-session - Terminated
Again, the environment hasn't been set up.

>>61766017
Do an mtr(name of the package) test to your isp's website and let it run for 1 complete hour.
Then post your results here.
Its most likely routing/peering with you isp

>>61765776
Dumb stallmanposter

Where the fuck are the mods though?
>be me
>report one of the copypasta posts from last thread
>get warned for spamming
>meanwhile all the porn is still here

Captcha: calle calle

>>61764835
I'm pretty alright at shell scripting though, plus shells are really well documented so I can always look things up if I'm not sure how to do something.
Would this book still be useful?

>>61766154
Refresh the page

mods are gods

>>61766187
I'm a retard. Much better

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I'm trying to create a boot-able flash-drive with Windows on it for gaming. Ive had no luck so far. Any tips or links to help?

>>61764502
>Friendly
:^)

>>61766092
Well hmm, that's running now, but intermediately I remembered I'm running pi-hole on my server, which is what this tumbleweed machine is using as a DNS server. Removing that has sped everything up. So now this seems like more of a "why is pi-hole slowing only things on this machine down, and only non-chromium things".

penis

>>61766184
Look through the index and find chapters that interest you. It's primarily a book for beginners, though, so you might as well skip it outright.

There's also Grymoire that you can get some use from if you want to learn sed and/or awk: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/index.html

>>61766248
>>61766248
Just use an external hardrive

good thread

>>61766263
You have to specify the proxy with chrome on the command line to make it use it, it may be bypassing the proxy.Ive never used pi-hole so im not familiar with it,but that may be an issue.
You may have too many things being filtered/blocked and as a result its taking longer to process actions through it
I remember in the early days of privoxy if you had a shitty computer it would take seconds extra to resolve and filter requests

>>61764502
Has anyone here tried void? It looks like a good distro but I'm worried of hardware compability because my hardware has poor linux support.

>>61766958
I'm doing great with it but then again I'm using an X220.

Redpill me on zip+unzip vs tar

>>61767209
tar preserves Unix file permissions and ownership

>>61767209
tar is stream/pipable

Ok now redpill me on gzip, bzip, and lzip please

>>61767178
Urgh, I really regret buying my Asus F556U... It was actually really cheap for the parts it has (i7 quadcore CPU, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, some Nvidia graphics card and all for 650€ or something) but I just wish I was smart enough to buy a x200 or x220.. They are way cheaper, have better Linux support and are more than powerfull enough to do anything I need to do.
I almost feel like just saving up a bit of money to get a thinkpad and maybe sell F556U... Or I just sell/donate my blood/plasma and get enough money in a month doing just that.

>>61767380
they're stream compressors
gzip is pretty fast, used basically everywhere, chances are most websites you visit are sending gzip-compressed data to your browser
bzip/2, a bit better compression than gzip, and a bit slower, used to be very common before lzma-based compressors like xz were available
don't know much about lzip

>>61767380
gzip is fast but doesn't compress well. bzip2 is in between xz and gzip. lzip is a meme, using xz instead. xz compresses well, but is slow.

>>61767386
In your place I would honestly try to sell my asus and get an X220 instead. Unless it's really old or really fucked up, you'll still end up with net profit from the deal, and with a laptop that is better suited to your needs - so even if you lose money overall (since you won't resell the asus at retail price), you're still better off going through with it.

Then again it's a hassle and you run the risk of just losing everything due to scummy buyers or a scummy postal system + buyer protection

>>61767455
use*

>>61767443
>>61767455
Cheers

>>61767470
Yeah, the thing is that I really don't want to deal with selling my laptop because of those things you've mentioned.
Guess I save up a bit of money and buy a thinkpad once I have the money and sell my laptop afterwards when I have time to care about that.

>>61767228
>tar preserves Unix file permissions and ownership
zip (at least the default one on linux) preserves permissions. But not ownership.
The more you know.

>>61767844
info-zip?

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First for /flt/'s revolution.

>>61767931
/flt/ doesn't approve of Communism

>>61764502
what's the story on that gif? is there a video of this somewhere?

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I installed Linux Mint 18 and updated. Now I can't connect to wifi, no networks pop up at all I'm assuming I'm missing a driver, any help /g/?

>>61768830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE

>tfw this really reminds me of how I am when something goes wrong

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why is he so angry?

>>61769110
Linus was mad because Nvidia's Linux driver support is utter shit

>>61769210
but why was stallman angry in the OP?

>>61769464
you got any links to good doujins?

You guys wanted me to shit on /dpt/, right?

wew

C-pee-pee is literally the best lang, prove me wrong nogs

>>61768903
>you don't understand how painful it is to have a failure
aww

>>61769464
>>61769477
MODS BAN THESE TRIGGERED GNU FAGGOTS

What wayland wm is the most like fluxbox?
Asking for a friend

>>61770021
Fluxbox on xorg

Not sure which thread to use, what are the most beginner/user friendly non systemd distros?

>>61770075
alpine

>>61770064
My friend wants to try nouveau and wayland.
What wayland wm is the similar

>>61770075
devuan

>>61770127
musl will probably break regular Linux binaries

>>61770208
>musl
It dosent

I have spare space left on my ssd after partitioning,what interesting things can i do with it.(dont need swap)

>>61770208
>musl will probably break regular Linux binaries
musl is designed more for running binaries built against it, rather than ones built against glibc

>>61770229
you can't play 'muh games' on musl without workarounds

>>61770294
you could use it with bcache to speed up a hdd

Hey guys
Does anyone have experience with setting up Void with LUKS and LVM? The wiki is lacking and I'm not smart enough to fill in the gaps. I've done it on Arch and a few other distros, but Arch's method isn't working for me. Is there any other documentation I could look towards?

>>61770331
Why are you playing games on a bussiness kernel?

>>61770368
Checking docs but does the hdd need to be fresh or can you use it already running?

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>>61770397
for the same reason you are

>>61770381
What part are you stuck on?
What commands have you run/stuck on?
The arch wiki works for any distro

>>61770461
i believe you can convert an existing filesystem on a hdd to a bcache backing device, but i'm not sure about the details
i would totally use bcache myself, if i owned an ssd

>>61770588
underage b&

>>61769492
The university didn't provide him with a bird to molest.
Reminder to never let Stallman near any bird, especially Parrots

>>61770075
I'm pretty sure void I am systemd free and fairly easy to install

I've set the following in .config for compiling the kernel.
https://pastebin.com/NqM9JJNY
Despite having ,vfat,msdos,ntfs,f2fs,overlay,fuse set, when i reboot in the new kernel it does not support mounting any of these options.
I've completely deleted the kernel in /boot and local dir and then replaced it with the newly compiled kernel, but it still does not swork
What am i missing?

>>61770965
you selected the filesystem to be built as a module (=m). you need to build it into the kernel (=y)

>>61770965
which kernel?

>>61771600
Yes,so i can modprobe them when i need them,or when the system access it it will load the needed modules.I dont always have said devices connected so i dont need them loaded until i do

>>61771618
The only kernel relevant to this thread

>>61771629
Linux?

>>61771642
Yes...

>>61771629
did you make sure the modules are loaded or will be autoloaded as needed?

>>61771840
Yes.
did modprobe vfat and etc for each module

>>61771992
what does

cat /proc/filesystems

say

>>61772016

nodev    sysfs
nodev    rootfs
nodev    ramfs
nodev    bdev
nodev    proc
nodev    cpuset
nodev    cgroup
nodev    cgroup2
nodev    tmpfs
nodev    devtmpfs
nodev    binfmt_misc
nodev    configfs
nodev    debugfs
nodev    tracefs
nodev    securityfs
nodev    sockfs
nodev    bpf
nodev    pipefs
nodev    hugetlbfs
nodev    devpts
    ext3
    ext2
    ext4
    xfs
nodev    pstore
nodev    mqueue
nodev    autofs
    vfat

>>61772056
did you make sure the modules directory is that of the new kernel

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>>61764502
hey /g/, I noticed that sometimes people post unrelated but interesting images along with their questions. can someone dump some of these pics? tia

>>61772125
Yes,/lib/modules/4.12.4-1,the only kernel listed

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FOSS always wins.

>>61772620
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

how can I completly de-GNU my arch system?

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>>61772812
>arch

>>61772638
>GNU
ignored

>>61772812
install Alpine

>>61772812
Replace coreutils with busybox
Replace bash with busybox ash/dash/fish/zsh
Replace gcc with clang
Replace libc with musl c
While you're at it de-systemd your system with openrc
Follow this guide to compile kernel v.4.12 with clang.
https://github.com/ramosian-glider/clang-kernel-build
(replace debian package manager with pacman commands)

I also want to get rid of GNU. I'm on Linux Mint. What do? How to install busybox?

>>61772827
miku hatsune is canonically 16 years old, which is legal where i live (and most places)

>>61772877
Heirloom might be a better choice then busybox
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/heirloom

>>61772880
anyone?

>>61772877
does this even work? don't want to end up with an unusable system.

>>61773141
Works on my machine. If it's too difficult for you, switch to Alpine.

This thread really exemplifies the philosophy of the anti-GNU movement. Steal am established piece of work (thread name, OP post, resources), remove credit and modify words to serve their agenda, then shout down opposition. Really makes u think

>>61773171
>steal
Youdo realize that /flt/ was established back in 2015. While /fglt/ isnt even 6 months old?

Here are various archives showing who was first

https://warosu.org/g/thread/S49808959

https://rbt.asia/g/thread/48653055/#48653055

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/48969412/#48969412

https://rbt.asia/g/thread/48969412/#48969412

If anything you usurped /flt/ for your own political agenda.

We arent having it anymore

Kindly shove some toe jam up your ass and fuck your self with it

>>61773211
back in the days people thought the earth is flat, now we know better

>>61773242
You keep posting this but it has no merit anytime you post it.
People are done with stallmans retardation and relious views ruining the tech industry.

People used to belive in jesus, now they dont,we know better,we see the true light

>>61764502
Linus is a dumb CIA nigger try TempleOS when you decide to finally grow up.

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why does /flt/ hate GNU so much?
>fought for your freedoms
>build the free software community
>developed an operating system for you
is asking to call what they have done by its name too much?

>>61773283
Tell Terry to stop drinking and support more then 640x480 rez

>>61773299
>exceed 640x480
>betray your covenant with God
I don't think so, CIA nigger

>>61772877
>unironically telling people to brick their perfectly fine systems
>>61772812
>>61772880
>unironically falling for the evil gnu meme

embrassing

Just installed Alpine.
Gotta say I'm liking the package manager

Can someone help me understand exactly how the AUR works? What exactly is the difference for me as an end user for installing a package through the default repositories with pacman vs. installing something using pacaur for instance? Will I still get updates for a program installed using pacaur if I run pacman -Syu?

>>61773583
They act exactly the same way to the end user.
>updates
Yes

>>61773592
That was easy. Thank you

Hey, have any of you guys fucked up a chromebook running linux before? I've got a c720 running SeaBIOS from a couple years ago that I've been running various distros on for most of that time. A month ago I wanted to switch from Gallium to windows just for a change of pace and everything went to shit. If I remember correctly (this was at least 2 months ago) I rewrote the boot table and overwrote the drive before turning it off to install windows. After turning it on I get a "booting from hard disk: missing operating system" error. It also didn't read live disks when I tried to fix things.
So far I've tried installing multiple OS's (multiple separate times on different USB drives), reinstalling ChromeOS, doing all that stuff but with the write-protect screw re-installed, turning it off and back on again, and at least 2 different recovery OS's. Any thoughts? I've got an RPi 3 B in the mail for a separate project, should I also grab a clamp to reflash the bios from the serial port? Voodoo/prayer?
Thanks

>>61774388
install alpine

What is the best Linux for daily use?

How can I make Skype for Linux work without pulseaudio?

>>61774486
Gentoo

>>61774657
apulse

>>61774486
4.12.5
>>61774657
botnet

>>61774866
Linux OS, GNUfag

Is there a better than puppy distro to run from USB? I don't have the time to make it user friendly and it just pisses me off.

>>61775730
TAILS

>>61767386
How much do you get from selling blood?
t. Living in faggot country (UK) where you don't get paid for donating blood

>>61775767
I don't want any privacy shenanigans. Can I install water fox on it? I just need a browser.

What is the best NOT MPV video player on Linux?

>>61775730

Any distribution can be installed on an USB flash drive.

>>61775854
Well the other options are:
ffplay (options are for pussies)
mplayer(2?) (proto-mpv)
vlc (you know this one)
??? in wine (you are a boutique wanker)

captcha: select all the images that match ... spice rack

>>61766958
Great distro, been using it since feb. May lack some packages but there's xbps-src

>>61775854
VLC

Just finishing installing Linux with a Win10 VM that Im hoping to play games on. I'm having a problem with mounting 2 of my harddrives.
So I've got one 2TB harddrive that won't mount at all and a 1TB that I partitioned into 3 parts, one of those partitions successfully mounts and I can access the files. The other partitions refuse. The errors I get when mounting the partitioned harddrive are:
>wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
>failed to read last sector ([numbers]): invalid argument. (this is for the 2TB drive)
Is there any way around this without formatting the drives and changing the fs?

>>61776489
install gentoo

Right so I got a bit of a problemo. I had an RX 460 card and I use Blender. I need to use the proprietary drivers for me to be actually able to render my projects out I need them installed otherwise blender isn't able to render with my gpu (some shit gotta do with the kernel as well because open source drivers cant do it)

My choice of distros are very restricted because of this. They only officially support Ubuntu, RHEL, SLED, CentOS. And personally I don't like any of them.

I have tried Arch but I can never seem to get the drivers to work even following the wiki... I tried using the RHEL drivers on Fedora, (edited the install script so it would install on Fedora) but that doesn't work either.

What can I do /g/ ? Currently im on windows 10 LTSB reluctantly because even official ayymd drivers don't work on Ubuntu because of some bug.

>inb4 install gentoo

So am I stuck on Windows forever? (Or until I get a nvidia card in a few months time and they just werk on any distro)

>>61776726
Install Alpine, it just works (and it's free of GNU).

so I installed busybox, I can call the programs with "busybox program" but it's still using the GNU programs when I don't prefix with "busybox"
what do?

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How the fuck do I regex match in a bash script
>Variable + wildcard string + another variable + wildcard string + .xml
?

>>61777360
>bash
gnushit, install zsh

>>61776775

>apparently advanced enough to require busybox's instead of gnu's coreutils
>doesn't know how to set it up

Nothing to see here, just another pretentious retard who wants to feel smart by adopting edgy opinions and acting upon them.

>>61774486
Alpine Linux

>>61764502
>gif
What was that about?

>>61777539
Stallman asked the management if he should speak english or portuguese, they agreed to english, half during the talk they told him that people don't understand him and he should switch to portuguese so he was lost. He couldn't start over because the little time and he couldn't continue because people didn't know what he was talking about.

>>61777565
wow that's frustrating. Assholes

>>61777565
Spanish*. RMS speaks english, spanish and french and since the talk was in brasil (where people speak portuguese, which is somewhat like spanish) spanish could have been an option.

>>61777673
Whoops, yeah, spanish.

>>61777574
No need to sperg out like a child.

>>61777938
I'm having difficulty imagining a person making this comment being better frankly.

>>61777961
You have poor imagination, sir.

>>61775935
Well I tried lu and xubuntu, but they crash if I try to boot with persistence

>>61776775
anyone?

>>61776775
Busybox needs to be symlinked in /bin and/or /usr/bin

>>61777360

grep -E "$var.*$var2.*\.xml"

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>>61778436
>he wasn't joking
What's wrong with you, dude. Don't break you system.

>>61778473
>needs to be symlinked
how do I do this?

>>61778511
You don't necessary need GNU coreutils, but replacing it should be done with care.

>>61778535
Just install Alpine if you don't want GNU

>>61778555
You're retarded if you really believe you can simply replace a fundamental part of the system like coreutils with a stripped-down multibinary like busybox. The system expects GNU functionality and it will break without them. If you don't believe me, feel free to follow the Alpine bugtracker - no even Alpine can run without coreutils completly; bug fixes regarding missing features are fixed by re-adding GNU dependencies.

Stop being retarded.

>>61778695
Most of the breakage isn't because of busybox (unless you're super retarded and think ash replaces bash), but because of musl libc

Apline doesn't re-add dependencies on coreutils, they patch it out, retard.

>>61778535

>doesn't know how to symlink
>needs busybox's coreutils

Hahahahahah what a retard. Everyone laugh at the utter retard.
Fucking disconnect from the internet you pretentious idiot to spare everyone else your idiocy.

>>61778725
Wew, didn't know that GNU awk isn't a GNU package.
https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/commit/?id=139de2d57ce061abdc78f057e5bcf811fb9c3d9b
Just one example.

>>61778751
>awk is coreutils
kek

>>61778695
Works on my machine :^)