NO STOP AMD STOP Nobody even wanted 350 and this is way more,

AMD, watt are you doing?

>>61758232
the fire rises

>>61758251
>dual gpu
they expect one of us at the wreckage brother

>>61758232
Will you care if it's twice as strong as a 1080ti?
Will you care when it runs every game in 4k 144 fps on ultra?
Thought so.

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>61758284
>Will you care if it's twice as strong as a 1080ti?
but it's not retard. the 350W Vega is barely on par with a 1080 and this is obviously downclocked from that, otherwise it'd be OVER 600W

>>61758306
>not released yet
>it's this strong
Are you Raja? Or how do you know this?

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>1.2GH/s on a single rig

Currently the fastest single rig would reach 180MH at best.

This is by ASUS only. They've made such things before.

>>61758284
How is that possible when one Vega isn't as strong as one 1080Ti?

Many games don't even support Crossfire these days anyways. So you're buying a $1500 600w 1080.

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>>61758355
Truth. Asus has shown that they have no concern for the future of the planet by the monstrosities they've made before.

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>>61758323
>how do you know this?
Because they've already announced the performance of the single version of this card retard. Not only is it already way slower than 1080ti, dual GPUs are NEVER as fast as the single they're based on.
"Twice as fast as 1080ti" is just a desperate AMDrone fantasy that shows you don't know technology

>>61758395
I think that is a cute card tbqh

>>61758395
>household brownouts when game is launched

There's only one reference dual GPU Vega card and that's the Pro Duo coming out latter.

For mining they will be undervolted so more like 400 watts

>>61758407
>RX Vega can't even do 144hz 1440p

wow

>>61758407
>>61758377
Then how is the Vega 56 crushes the 1070? The 64 should do the same with the 1080.
>HURR DURR TWO GPUS ARE NOT AS STRONG AS TWO GPUS
Infinity fabric. On graphic cards.

>>61758463
If the 1080 gets 78 fps how do you think a 1080ti that's 30% faster gets close to 144fps?

>>61758407
And as we know the 1080Ti mopped the floor with Furry X.

>>61758478
Yeh I guess it does.

>>61758478
1080ti = 2x 1080

>>61758467
>Then how is the Vega 56 crushes the 1070?
random unsourced benchmark
>The 64 should do the same with the 1080
It doesn't even do that in their OFFICIAL FIGURES
>HURR DURR TWO GPUS ARE NOT AS STRONG AS TWO GPUS
not twice as "strong" retard.
>Infinity fabric. On graphic cards.
But they don't have that. Yet another desperate AMDrone fantasy made up in denial. And even if they did it's still not even twice as fast as a 1080 in the theoretical best.

>>61758502
You fucking wish, I'd buy one for my 4k monitor in an instant.
You're not getting 2x1080 performance on a single GPU until 2019 at best.

>>61758513
>mfw that's still insufficient for proper 4k at 120Hz
And that's without AA, my dream looks so far away.

>>61758544
Just reduce settings retard. I've been playing a bunch of games rendered in 4k at 120Hz already. Better gameplay AND I even think a really crisp image on medium looks better than shitty pixel mess on ultra

>>61758562
If I wanted a fucking console I'd buy a console.

>>61758232
is this real? ill buy one for the lulz, i had the hd7990 before, cant be much worse

>inb4 amd fan
i have a 1060 and a 1080ti atm

>>61758330
The 70MH-100MH figure was literally floated by ONE overclocking.co.uk forum goer through hearsay and then picked up my major tech news sites.

>>61758467
This is why everyone laughs at you retarded amdrones.

>>61758596
Gibbo's not a unreliable source, he's part of the staff for close to 18 years.

If it was some random faggot, nobody would bat an eye.

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>>61758581
>4k at 120Hz
>a really crisp image
>console
retard
Also, like I said, I think it looks better right now. Not with some future GPU. It's just so sharp and clean

>>61758623
>admits to using medium settings

Take your console experience back with you

>>61758544
>not doing 1080p 240hz
It's like you hate a smooth image.

>>61758644
I hate 2006 resolutions far more.

>>61758632
>developers set "ultra" view distance to 1024 units
OMG SO BEAUTIFUL
>developers set "medium" view distance to 1024 units
LOL LOOKS LIKE SHIT

>>61758652
Good luck finding a game that'll give you any more detail with a 4k monitor except maybe Battlefield 1.

>>61758407
I notice the seem to be claiming 'as long as you are in the Freesync range you're good'. Is this true? Does Freesync make <60 fps look as smooth as higher framerates?

>>61758665
>view distance is the only thing that's affected by graphic settings presets

Go buy a console.

>>61758674
What is this delusion? Resolution is amount of pixels on a screen, pretty much any game in the last few years support 4k, some even higher.

>>61758679
Not him but I'm starting to think that might be what I do. PC gaming seems like a lot of money for only a few games that aren't console ports.

>>61758688
>pretty much any game in the last few years support 4k, some even higher.
Why are you looking into buying such expensive stuff without doing any research first?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YAV-0_dE1Y

>>61758677
Nope. Freesync just makes whatever framerate you're at feel like Vsync ON + no extra inputlag. 60hz is still 60hz

see http://testufo.com/#test=stutter&demo=gsync&foreground=FFFFFF&background=000000&max=12&pps=720

>>61758717
I've been duped.

>>61758679
>point
.
.
.
.
>Your head

>>61758712
>Digital Foundry
>youtube reviewers

How about you actually use a 4k screen instead of gobbling up whatever someone that might or might not have an agenda tells you? Fucking tool.

>>61758712
Even 10 year old games benefit massively from higher resolutions retard.
See earlier in thread >>61758623

>>61758732
Not him, but I tested 4k and 1080p next to each other and I barely noticed a difference.

>>61758617
Assuming that he's is reliable, that would mean HBM2 has less than half the latency than that of GDDR5 (GDDR5X has higher latency than GDDR5). Since ETH's hashing function is latency dominated.

>>61758747
I'm sorry for your eyesight.

>>61758725
I mean it IS still pretty nice. 55 fps with G/freesync is better than 75 fps with stutter and tearing (play around with the settings in the link), but yeah, you don't magically get 120hz on a 60hz monitor

>>61758508
>they don't have that
What do you think Navi is based on? They have the MCM, they just need to bring down the power usage.

>>61758801
Why would 75 fps have stutter that 55 fps with Freesync doesn't?

>>61758841
You're not protected from frame dips even if you're at 200FPS

>>61758870
So Freesync stops frame dips?

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>>61758838
>Navi

>>61758841
Stutter is when your frametimes are uneven. It can occur at any FPS. Like I said, play around with the settings, you can see the FPS in the top left
>>61758888
no but it makes them much less noticeable.

>>61758890
Your point? Navi will be their scalable gpu. Vega is simply too inefficient to it, but it doesn't mean they can't do it. Ship you think they will work on the IF implementation after they developed the navi core? Lol.

>>61758888
No, it minimized the effect they have on gameplay by syncing with the GPU so you don't experience the massive stutter that happens.

It still happens, but your game doesn't suddenly feel like it froze

>>61758914
>Your point?
1. The thread or the post you're quoting isn't about navi
2. "And even if they did [have meme-fabric] it's still not even twice as fast as a 1080 in the theoretical best."
3. Volta will be out before Navi so comparing to the 1080ti is stupid anyways

>>61758914
>the next cycle of amdrone speculations and hype has begun
oh boy

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>>61758971
>the next cycle of amdrone speculations and hype has begun
>BEFORE VEGA IS EVEN OUT
SELF ADMITTED DOA

>YAAY AMD'S NEW GPU IS DOA
>YAAY NVIDIA CAN FURTHER SLOW DOWN DEVELOPMENT AND FRANK PRICES HIGHER
>YAAY WE NVIDIOTS ARE SO LUCKY WE CAN PAY MORE FOR AN INCREMENTAL UPGRADE EVERY YEAR
>LET'S POINT AT AMDRONES AND LAUGH
>THESE TEARS ARE FROM LAUGHTER I SWEAR

>>61759145
I don't mind paying more to watch AMDfags tears.

>>61758467
56 and 64 are like the Fury and Fury X, performance wise they aren't that different

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>>61759145
>being this much of a MADrone

>>61759203
Wasn't Fury and Fury X similar in performance to 290x/390x? Has AMD actually made any performance advancements in the last 5 years?

>>61759145
>being a sore loser

They should just put them on a thread ripper motherboard, cpu and gpu can share many VRM components and one large waterblock can cover them all. May as well solder 128gb of ddr4 to it as well.

>>61759249
Nah they were above those cards, at the time 290x/390x sat between the 970 and 980 while the Fury X was close to the 980 Ti.

>>61758488
980 Ti beat the Fury X with ease and the 1080 Ti is twice as fast

>>61759370
Sorry I meant 980Ti

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JUST RELEASE THE REGULAR STUFF FIRST

>>61758284
Dual GPU is dead. Nvidia's basically given up on it, only AMD keeps forcing the Crossfire meme. Shilling Crossfire 480's so hard was scummy of them.

>>61759145
I pretty much only come to /g/ to laugh at AMD and see what they fucked up now.

>>61758644
1080p is disgusting,

>>61759546
What do you gain from it? Are employed by nvidia? Or you don't use gpus at all? Honest question. Nvidia's sole existence is bad for a customer.

>>61759577
Schadenfreude I guess. All the AMD fans constantly talking up future products that I know are going to be failed garbage and then when it actually happens it feels good to be right. Then they get salty. Start saying how AMD failing is bad for me not just them, which is also delicious.

>>61759577
amdfags are easy to trigger because they're emotinally involved with their favourite faceless corporation. It's fun watching a bunch of retards screeching autistically.

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>>61758232
Guess they have to keep their housefire branding somehow now that Intel beats them to it.

>>61759613
That's childish. It's not a competition or anything, it's about your well being as a consumer. Which nvidia repeatedly proved they don't give a shit about.

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Hello Jensen-kun.

>>61759720
AMD software support is atrocious. Deal with it.

>>61758429
with 32 GB of HBM2 on board.

>>61759768
Wow great. HBM really saved Fury X.

>>61759754
I haven't used a nvidia card since the gt2. I also never had any issues with amd software/drivers other than that one instance of bad fan control on 4000 series, which was the fault of CCC, so you could dodge it by simply not installing it.
Do you know that actually amd has the better game recording software right now?

>>61759795
I love recording my gaming then I can watch my gaming later and upload my gaming for other gamers.

>>61759577
AMDfans are stupid enough to be emotionally invested in a corporation. AMD is a fucking cult.

>>61759795
rpcs3 gets artifacts in vulkan on amd while nvidia cards have no issues
>amd has the better game recording software right now
shadowplay is still superior but I don't use it
amd cards ALWAYS had some software issue for the last 15 years

>>61759720
I honestly believe AMD isn't even on Nvidia's radar anymore in terms of how they price their products. They are probably now just charging whatever they think people will pay before saying fuck this I'm just buying a Playstation.

>>61759859
You always claim that amd had constant issues for decades yet people who used amd cards don't know what you mean.

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>>61758232

>>61759858
Where do you get that? Amd fags use their heads instead of going after brand name. Intel and nvidia has a cult.

I'm probably going to buy a complete AMD rig but I like to post antiAMD stuff because the shills are so fucking obnoxious and stupid

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>>61759896

Just me, AMD cards have SERIOUS software issues.

>>61759941
Hey old man, how are you dudes gonna to compete against SSG?

>>61758232
I heard you like housefires so we put a dual housefire gpu in your dual housefire cpu system

>>61759145
i'm not happy that it's shit, look what intel did after ryzen, the same would have happened with nvidia if vega didn't suck
but i won't stop telling everyone that it's shit because you're butthurt

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SOMEBODY CALL 911

AYYMD BURNING ON THE DANCE FLOOR

Silly cucksumers, Vega is hilariously good in the markets that matter, SSG alone created a niche no one knew ever existed.

>>61759989
It's not that Vega is shit or not, it's that you are happy that the news hold back the technological advancements and our entire fucking life passes while we move onto a new type of ram out something. Look how VR is a failure, we still can't reach 4k gaming, etc. It's fucking 2017, we still never have any nice things. Fuck nvidia and fuck Intel.

>>61760051
>Vega is hilariously good in the markets that matter
you mean the consumer market that is about 10000 times bigger than anything else?

>>61760091
It's hilariously volatile, and historically cucksumer Radeons never sold.
Why would AMD invest into such market?

>>61760100
yeah why would amd try to take anything from nvidia
why did they make ryzen cpus? i don't get that too, it's like they want to make money or something

>>61760088
4K 60fps is pretty easy now. The problem is now everyone wants 144 fps which is going to be quite difficult. Even 1080p 144 fps is hard in a lot of games.

>>61760140
Ryzen is just a byproduct of EPYC, nothing more, nothing less.
Just like consumer Vega is a byproduct of their Pro line.
It's a way to utilize shitty bins unsuitable for high-margin products.

>>61760140

The gpu division of AMD is a money pit and has been since the buyout. AMD's bread a butter is cpus and (more recently) their semi-custom division.

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>>61759858

Just like with Intel and Nvidia.

Don't even pretend that anyone is better.

>>61760051
They knew it existed, industry people bitched at nvidia for years about the gpu memory sizes but they gave no fuck.

>>61760288
Not many are emotionally invested in Nvidia and Intel like they are AMD. They just like and buy them because they almost always perform better.

>>61760328
>not many are emotionally invested in nvidia
U wot? NVIDIA can field a holy crusade of fanboys pillaging and raping everyone in Sunnyvale in the name oh JHH.

>>61760328
I actually met an nvidia fanboy in real life. It was cringe a fuck.

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>>61758232
Shit, are they gonna do a new 295X2? You know, the first real (and long time ONLY) 4K gaming card?
That's the fucking tits famablam!

>>61758232
Truly enthusiast level stuff not for normalfags

>>61760444
>4K
>50 fps

>>61760143
None of them are difficult retard. The developers choose what resolution framerate/resolution they want their game to run at on a normal gaming PC and then scale the performance to match.

If/ when 4K/144hz monitors become mainstream, games will run in 4K/144hz on mid range cards

>>61760444
I've run 4k resolution in half of my games since 2012 retard

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>>61760328
>AMDfags are worse because I say so

Well then let me show you this

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56324/russian-nvidia-fanboy-murders-amd-fan/index.html

Has an AMDfag ever killed someone yet? Who's a cult now?

People will always shill their favorite brand, there's not much difference overall. AMD currently gets more exposure because they've finally made competitive CPUs again. Just wait until Coffee Lake gets around and see all the Intelfags opening threads on how AMD is finished and bankrupt once again with their gaymen_benchmark.png attached. It's even happening to some extent already with the 7700k. The same is going to happen with Nvidia's Volta, or even Vega - which seems to be a disappointment.

Always been this way.

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>>61760328
this
AMDrones suffer from massive victim complex

>>61760510
At least you admit they have gaming benchmarks to prove their points. AMD comments are always just obscure rhetoric or promises of things to come.

>>61759175
this

>>61759912
see >>61760530

>>61758251
>the fire rises
For you

>>61760544
If you ignore the actual unbiased benchmarks then yes I suppose.

>>61760530
That's interesting. I've always associated AMD with redditors in my mind but never really knew why.

>>61758732
>use low res textures
>upscale it to 4k
>looks like blobs
retard

>>61760576
>If AMD isn't winning IDS A GONSBIRASY
see >>61760530

>>61760582
It's interesting that amd fans discuss the tech behind the product while Intel fans go "I buy it because it's Intel."

>>61760604
>someone conducts tests without being paid by Intel
>amd comes out on top
IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!4!!

>>61758232
how to game on dual vega
- replace house fuses with thick nails
- make asbestos computer room
- start wood drying hangar buysness on the side to pay the electricity bills
- game

>>61760607
I've never heard anyone say that.

>>61760607
>discuss the tech behind the product
You mean fall for buzzwords like infinity fabric, HBM, moar coars, APU, instead of looking at the actual performance
>Intel fans
They hardly even exist. Only AMD has fanboys

>>61758251
Crashing your house
With no survivors

>>61760544
And AMD has their strength throughout various multithreaded workloads and price-/performance ratios.

>AMD comments are always just obscure rhetoric or promises of things to come.

Just like the current "wait for Coffee Lake" posts?

Or the "Just buy a good cooler" posts on their horrid IHS heat transfer?

People cherrypick on both sides. Intelfags with their Starcraft II and ArmA 3, AMDfags with their Blender and x264 or Cinebench.

I think you are biased yourself.

>>61760530
>>61760571
>>61760582
>>61760604
>>61760641

>muh Reddit strawman
>Only AMD has fanboys

Dunning Krugerfags like you need to kill themselves.

>>61760627
>I have no source but everytime intel wins I assume it's a bought review.
>even if it's 80% of reviews from all over the world
>This is how i desperately try to cope with choosing the wrong brand

>>61758407
What is marketing bullshit for $800, Alex

>>61760634
>>61760641
So you never heard stories about people still sticking to Intel based on the reason "I never buy amd because it's amd and not Intel!"

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>>61760628

>>61760651
>Only AMD has fanboys
I know for a fact that most people like me don't give a shit about intel or nvidia, we just pretend because people like you get so mad.
I have numbers to support this, you have nothing

>>61760670
No

>>61760666
You're saying Vega is even worse than that picture?
Well, it probably is since it's their own cherry picked numbers

>>61760665
You mean linus shill tips reviews?
Did you watch anything else? Like that bench where they went out of their way to help out Intel and it still lost?

>>61758232
sauce pls , i was pretty shure amd didnt plan on a dual gpu this gen

>>61758330
asrock has a 13-pcie board

>thread about AMD GPU's
>ends up with people attacking Intel

Every time.

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>>61760691
>Hurr durr I only pretended to make you mad
>Look at my undisputable facts which I won't show

>>61760670
nope, only obvious trolls that you fall for

I've heard PLENTY of the opposite though, since AMDrones have such an emotional connection to their multi billion dollar company

>>61758452
You should pretty much always undervolt, it's the rule of thumb, especially if you've actually overclocked. There's no reason to dig into the guts of the monster without tuning for optimal thermals and efficiency.

>>61760727
>which I won't show
>>61760530

>>61758710
Even shitty console ports are better on pc, though. Even if the dev is retarded enough to tie the physics to 30fps, you can up the resolution and aa, and that's with the worst of the worst like Koei Tecmo ports.

>>61760713
>You mean linus shill tips reviews?
1. no
2. "I have no source but everytime intel wins I assume it's a bought review"
>Did you watch anything else?
yes

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>>61760732
>Look at how emotionally calm and unaffected I am by obsessively posting about fanboys of a specific company

>>61760746
>Reddit numbers
>Proof

>>61760769
>Reddit numbers
>Proof
It undeniably shows that AMD have way more fans than intel (but they think it's the opposite)
Other forums like /g/ reflect this annecdotally

>>61760746
>/g/ - reddit/trolling

>>61760789
Since you can't discuss technology with fanboys the only use is having fun by making them mad

>>61760783
The fact that you use subscription numbers of a subreddit to prove your point without any other empirical data shows how retardedly biased you are.

https://twitter.com/Intel

>4.2m

https://twitter.com/AMD

>546k

So what now, faggot?

Compare Facebook numbers?

>>61758737
Higher resolutions don't affect visual fidelity at all, actually. You're just making the same exact image bigger. If you want the image to be big on a big screen you increase the output fidelity from the monitor, if you want it small you reach a threshold of diminishing returns. The further you are away from the display, the better the picture will look with incrementally smaller resolutions (see: pointillism). Conversely the closer you are to a display the poorer the quality will appear at a lower resolution at a larger scale.

It's all relative to PPI and the human eye's ability to discern individual pixels, and to do so acutely. This greatly diminishes at certain scales from certain distances, for example a 4k 23" panel viewed from 3' will appear totally indistinguishable from a 1080 23" panel; since it has effectively crossed the boundary of diminishing returns. Conversely a 4k 72" panel viewed from 9 feet away will produce a much clearer image than a 72" 1080 panel.

Finally there is scaling to consider, and while it is possible for many mediums to scale well, there is an inherent loss of quality when scaling from a lower resolution to a higher resolution. As such it should be expected that any media that hasn't been properly reproduced for higher resolutions will possess an inferior quality in comparison to their native resolutions. You can avoid scaling, but at that point you're creating boxes and failing to warrant the purchase of a 4k display. Gaming is the only medium that will be capable of holding any degree of perpetuity.

I don't know how people are so confused over this.

>>61760833
Reddit is where fanboys go to circle jerk, twitter is not
>shows how retardedly biased you are
Yes, I should be more like you and just not have any sort of evidence at all.
PAID FAKE REVIEWS! INTEL ACTUALLY HAS BETTER MULTITHREAD PERFORMANCE

>>61760833
Fanboys don't go on twitter. Reddit is their breeding grounds. It's purposely built for circlejerking.

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>>61760865
>Higher resolutions don't affect visual fidelity at all, actually.
Stopped reading there

>>61760875
>Your marketing platform with only allowing 140 characters for the ultimate hit-and-run one-sentence circlejerk faggotry doesn't count because I say so
>Yes, I should be more like you and just not have any sort of evidence at all.

You're a prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Please get some help.

>>61760924
>literally claims twitter is more circle jerk than a dedicated subreddit
>critizises people for not providing evidence while providing none himself

Amd has the most rabid users because for years they were the underdog and people had to consciously purchase the inferior choice. Most amd users have benchmarks saved on their computers and are ready to defend their purchase at a moments notice, usually followed by a dubious claim about saving money without factoring in power costs.

>>61758748
i mean my Fury gets exactly the same hashrate as my 290 , so HBM (1 atleast) aint making much of a difference

>>61758232
if this is going to be a test shot for MCM through infinity fabric before navi, I really want to see it.

>>61760969
>Most amd users have [carefully selected] benchmarks saved on their computers
this is the most pathetic thing of all the things they do.

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>>61760865

>Higher resolutions don't affect visual fidelity at all, actually.

You do realise rendering at higher resolution - by definition - increases image quality right?

>>61760886
>Fanboys don't go on twitter.
Elon Musks twitter posts are littered with dumb fanboy answers

>>61758232
Where were you when AMD created a weapon of mass destruction?

>>61761096
Is that Need For Speed?

>>61761179
Correction, Hot pursuit 1 (NFS3) or NFS4

>>61760875
If you'd actually visit /r/amd you'd see it's anything but fanboy central these days. The hivemind has a raging hateboner for Vega.
>outing myself as a redditor
Oh no how dare someone visit a website I don't like

>>61759941
only ever had issues w/ when relive released for the R9 cards , just used the version before that and a month later it was patched and since then i run the latest drivers w/o issue whatsoever

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>>61761212

Hot pursuit as its the last NFS game with the 2d interiors - NFS4 used 3d interiors that looks much worse.

>>61760499
>does not know jack shit about how gpus work
>does not know jack shit about how many pixels 1440p144 actually is
quick math lesson
1080p60 is 124416000 pixels per second
1440p144 is 530841600 pixels per second

1440p144 is FOUR POINT TWO times more data than 1080p60

you need ca. 256 frames on 1080 to be able to run 1440p144 , and that is just napkin math , not taking into account all the other things happening at higher res such as bigger textures and so on

>>61761413
wont look this bad compared to the outside if you ran at a lower resolution

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>>61758306
>350W Vega is barely on par with a 1080
Wait to see if the RTG driver group can fix the ~20% memory bandwidth regression in Vega vs. Fiji before you draw any conclusions about the performance in games.

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>>61758407
>Because they've already announced the performance of the single version of this card retard.
What they announced would make RX Vega 64 barely faster than Vega FE but we already know Vega FE isn't doing primitive discard or DSBR and doesn't have AVFS enabled. It's not logically possible for RX Vega to perform like Fiji clock for clock when Fiji did no primitive discard or TBR at all unless something else is seriously wrong with the drivers.

Like a seeming 20-30% regression in bandwidth, for example. Until we know whether drivers can fix this or it's a hardware flaw, we don't know shit.

>>61761511
>hardware flaw
Kinda impossible since both WX9100 and SSG are doing mighty fine.

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>>61761522
I know. I'm just pointing out that it's not logical that a 20-30% memory bandwidth regression would be designed into the card, so either the drivers are fucked or RTG is sandbagging like crazy or some of both. The two stealth delays from end of June to Aug 14 suggests that the driver team is getting deathmarched.

>>61761413
nigga fix your aspect ratio with nglide
http://www.zeus-software.com/downloads/nglide/compatibility
>>61761460
>make the entire game look like shit instead of just part of it
hurr durr

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>>61761551

>nigga fix your aspect ratio with nglide

nglide a shit, dgvoodoo is better. Regardless that particular install of NFS4 is using the modern patch.

Does anyone know why AMD cards are so good for mining but not so good for games? What's the difference?

>>61760641
>only AMD has fanboys
how can you be so blind ? holy shit there is tonns of em

>>61761539
Yea, because Vega is starved for bandwidth.
what AMD did is same exact shit nVidia did with Pascal, decrease bibeline, increase frequency

>>61761605
GCN is heavily skewed to compute.

>>61761421
>look at me I went to grade school math
Are you literally so retarded that you think it's just a magical coincidence that year after year the latest games on average hardware just happen to run about 60fps on the most popular screen resolution?
Do you also think it's just a magical coincidence that the games that need high framerates the most seem to achieve 144hz on the same hardware?

>>61761618
Why?

>>61761637
It was intended to capture the HPC markets.

>>61761478
>Wait
he said it again
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

>>61761511
>>61761539
>Official launch figures hyping their new card
>no just wait for real figures, these ones are probably very conservative

>>61758748
>that would mean HBM2 has less than half the latency than that of GDDR5
Pretty reasonable since the HBM2 dies are literally on the GPU instead of external chips some centimeters away

>>61761611
see >>61760691

>>61761645
What's that?

>>61761595
I don't care how you do it, but playing stretched is pleb

>>61760703
my IT teach was a die hard INTEL fan

>6700k
>z170 top tier board
>bigfuckmclarge cooler
>only uses iGPU
>does not overclock
>claims that AMD never was faster than intel
>showing him behcnmarks
>they are all irrelevant
>intel is best

not making this shit up
oh he also claims that his motherboard is overclocking , to 4.2 ghz ,
wich is the boost clock i told him , but he would not belive me that such a thing as "boost clock" exists ,
even when i show him the INTEL ARK page

and one more thing , he believes DVD's are HD

IM NOT MAKING THIS UP
i swear by me mum
this fucker teaches IT for 8 years now

>>61761714
Sounds like you got a bad education.

>>61761605
>>61761637
AMD is basically MURICANS and Nvidia are europeans building sports cars
MURICANS take literal 1800's horsecarriage suspension and throw more and more V8 horsepower at it hoping it will go faster
Europeans engineer an entire package specifically to go around tracks fast

In the end americans are fast in a straight line but nothing else

>>61761756
That's a retard analogy.

>>61759999
THIS IS MADNESS!

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>>61761714
cen i b your it teecher fren?

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>>61761772
no

>>61761756
What's the shortest distance between two objects?

>checkmate yuropoor

>>61760865
>Higher resolutions don't affect visual fidelity at all, actually.

do you play all your games in 800*600?

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>>61761799
yes.

>>61761824
Intels cpus generally produce less heat compared to AMD
Just like Nvidias gpus

If I'm buying a new freesync monitor, is 1080p @ 144hz the best bang for my buck?

>>61761894
>said the shill

>>61760875
even r/intel reccomends ryzen lamo , take a look
and r/AMD hates VEGA

its almost like they recommend the better products

>>61761902
>shill runs out of arguments and starts projecting

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>>61761894
>Intels cpus generally produce less heat compared to AMD

>>61761927
Top Ryzen TDP is 95
Top Intel TDP is 91

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>>61761937
>Top Intel TDP is 91

>>61761629
take a look at old benchmarks ,
they bench at 1680*1050 at the high end , that is not far off 1920*1080 ,
a much smaller gap than 1080 -> 1440
also gpu and cpu compute power has exploded over the last 10 years that 1080p was around for

and 4k has been around for 2 years no , and YET its not mainstream , how dare the games not adhere to my logic and ignore physical limitations

>>61761956
That's i7 vs Ryzen. You can compare Ryzen vs i9 if you want but that's retarded since it's not the same segment

>>61761937
>7900x
>140w tdp
>hurr durr it is 91 you amdrone, hurrr

>>61761983
see >>61761979
AMD TR has 155 tdp retard
like I said, intel generally produces less heat

>>61761979
>>61761996
>i5 7640x
>i fucking 5
>112w tdp
>4 cores, 4 threads
>hurrr duurrr it is not the same

>>61761671
Wait for the benchmarks, if it's really 100MH/s go short ETH 10x

>>61761975
>old benchmarks
>1680*1050
Okay, you're underage. That explains why you don't understand long term trends yet.
>and 4k has been around for 2 years no , and YET its not mainstream
They won't adjust performance for 4k if almost nobody playing the game has a 4k monitor retard. Doesn't matter how long it's been around.

>>61761730
it was a stopgap course anyway , needed to bridge a year , learned some excel/photoshop stuff tho , but the hardware side of that course was horrendous

>>61762004
>look, I found a single exception to a general rule

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>>61761894
>91w i7 77k 4c/8t
>95w R7 1700 8c/16t
>65w i5 76k 4c/4t
>65w R5 1600 6c/12t

[thinking emote]

>>61761996
>less heat
>triple rad required to keep an i9 below 80 at a very modest overclock

kek

>>61762040
>7740x
>112w
>hurr durr single exception

>>61762031
just go and set your game to 144p or 4k
see how hard the fps tanks compared to 1080
come back and tell me again that there is some magic fix for this that gamedevs impliment to make games run at higher res

>underage
been building pcs for 12 years now , been following pretty much every release , but whatever , you are right w/ your bullshit and i have my peace

>>61762112
1. what's the AMD equivalent to the 7740x?
2. Your first attempt you affirmed the rule instead of going against it (i9), not like you have a lot of credibility

>>61762124
>see how hard the fps tanks
It goes down linearly exactly as you'd expect (unless you run out of vram)
>magic fix
It's not magic, >>61761629 has been true ever since 640*480 and will be true for 4k and beyond too. Devs choose how much shit to put into their game. It's that simple, but you thing video game graphics is some magical entity with it's own will
>been building pcs for 12 years now
cool story bro, you still think 1680*1050 is old.

>>61762091
Power consumption = heat. It's really not hard m8. You can just look how much power they draw under similar loads

>>61762211
the 1680*1050 monitor i have as backup is 10 years old , so yea its old , nobody uses that res in gaming anymore , modern standard and target res is 1080

>>61762139
>what's the AMD equivalent to the 7740x?
which one are you asking? price or core?
>Your first attempt you affirmed the rule instead of going against it (i9), not like you have a lot of credibility
you said top, i7 is not top. not anymore. try harder.

>>61762370
>10 years old , so yea its old
not in this context
>modern standard and target res is 1080
EXACTLY RETARD That's why 4K is so hard to run. Once it becomes the "standard and target" that won't be a problem anymore

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>>61761937
3 0 8 W
0
8
W

>>61762384
>which one are you asking? price or core?
Come to think of it, I don't even know if AMD has an "EXTREME 1337 EDITION" 8-thread, so there might not even be a proper comparison available.
>you said top, i7 is not top.
see >>61761979

>>61762489
you already got your answers with 7740x and 7640x. I assume you don't want to see 6900k and 6950x. both are top i7.

>>61762525
>Come to think of it, I don't even know if AMD has an "EXTREME 1337 EDITION" 8-thread, so there might not even be a proper comparison available.

>>61762540
you can easily fuck off then. you undermined yourself.

>>61762436
>Once it becomes the "standard and target" that won't be a problem anymore

no once HARDWARE BECOMES CAPABLE of running at that resolution it will be come the standard , not the other way around , its been that way since 640*480

>>61761247
No one actually cares that you use Reddit, it's that you have the inane urge to tell everyone. It's like a woman on the internet, they always have to work in that fact into nearly every post. That being said, fuck off, scum.

>>61762546
Ryzen 7 goes agains the 7700k which is 91w
7740x wasn't even released when ryzen came out, and is meant as some extreme overclock shit or whatever. Not the first competitor to R7

>>61759795
>I also never had any issues with amd software/drivers other than that one instance of bad fan control on 4000 series
>4000 series
This affected many cards in 2015, and amd was hard shilling how their drivers are no longer bad. All they did was pump money into meme-ing that they had good drivers without actually fixing them.
What people didn't realize back then was that theier workstation cards got hit the hardest, because amd didn't bother releasing a hotfix for months.

>>61762578
Hardware can already run games in 4k 144hz retard. It's simply up to the developer
>devs choose how much shit to put into their game [according to what resolution they target]. It's that simple, but you think video game graphics is some magical entity with it's own will

>leave for a few hours
>come back
>amdfags are defending amd at full force
>ignore official slides
>speculations and wishful thinking up the ass
>amd is better and amd themselves don't know it yet but I know
>just wait
comedy gold

>>61762584
ryzen 7 1700 goes against 7700k. 1800x goes against 6900k. but you refused to look at that.
again, fuck off.

>>61762622
>>amd is better and amd themselves don't know it yet but I know
lel

>>61762634
>ryzen 7 1700 goes against 7700k
only if you render all day. It sucks ass <9threads compared to 7700k

>>61762634
>>61762584
and 1700 has 65w tdp.

>>61762655
6900k also sucks as against 7700k you fucking /v/ermin.

>>61762669
6900k is not aimed at the same segment retard. You have to compare it to amd TR.
Also picking processors from previous generations is kinda desperate

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>>61762601
>GTA5
>3years old
>made for 3 year old hardware
>modern day hardware has a hard time running it 4k60

>>61762716
>You have to compare it to amd TR.
no, I don't you fucking idiot. amd segmented 1800x against 6900k. get your facts straight fuck off.

>>61762735
It runs 4k60 perfectly if you turn down the settings retard
CSGO runs 4k144 perfectly even without turning down settings

>>61762751
1. picking processors from previous generations is kinda desperate
2. No matter how AMD segments it, when people go to the store they don't chose between a 1800x and an obsolete 6900k. They chose between a 1800x and a 7700k. If they want more multi thread performance they chose between a TR and an i9.

>>61762842
>picking processors from previous generations is kinda desperate
7700k is also previous generation.
>when people go to the store they don't chose between a 1800x and an obsolete 6900k. They chose between a 1800x and a 7700k
>They chose between a 1800x and a 7700k
you confirmed your retardness, bravo.
they choose between 1700 vs 7700k. and 1700 is cheaper and have lower tdp.
fuck. off.

>>61762793
>turning down settings
and now we move the goalposts

>>61762876
>and now we move the goalposts
No that was the point all along retard. Devs choose settings according to target res, but you think video game graphics is some magical entity with it's own will.
If the target res of GTA V was 4k then current "medium" would have been called "ultra". Or maybe they would have made the entire map different, who knows.
I've been saying exactly that from the beginning see
>>61762211
>>61762031
>>61761629
>>61760499

You're however moving the goalposts by saying CSGO (or a bunch of other games) don't count

>>61762873
>7700k is also previous generation.
no. Intel has no 8xxx parts
>they choose between 1700 vs 7700k
see >>61762655

>>61763040
>no. Intel has no 8xxx parts
it doesn't need to. you can look at kabylake-x. and now you are going to chimp out that it is HEDT shit. then you have to prove how 7640x is HEDT.
>see >>61762655
of course you don't have any argument besides mumbling same shit over and over. what can we expect from a /v/ermin.
again and again, fuck. off.

>>61763100
>bad performance is not an argument
lol

>>61758355
>>61758395
Why is AMD allowing ASUS to make this big piece of shit if they're discouraging multi-GPU setups with Vega? With both cards underclocked to prevent nuclear armageddon it wouldn't be worth the pricetag or performance increase.

>>61763150
Because why not?
ARES series was hilarious.

>>61763131
>bad performance
> crushing 7700k is bad performance
>it doesn't countttt! 720p csgo is only 200 fpsss with amd! I want 230!!!
go back to your shithole

>>61763185
At this rate the only Vega worth half a shit will be a partner board Vega 56 with decent OC headroom that costs less than a 1070.

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>>61763204
This Vega is worth it's weight in platinum.

>>61763253
Talking consumer GPUs, already know the SSG is going to shake things up in workstation use.

>>61763273
We have no benchmarks of RX Vega.

>>61763282
Even assuming a 20% increase in performance over FE Vega, that's still only barely going to put it above the 1080 in most games.

>>61763298
FE is choked in every way possible (in gayms that is). TMUs, geometry, memory bandwith, everything.
You can't even guess how RX Vega will perform.

>>61762975
i can run minesweeper in 4k on a gt 730 , does that make it a 4k gaming card ? FUCK NO

if a AAA game comes out and in the same year hardware capable of running it 4k comes out , then we are talking , if i can run the game at high settings across the board at 4k then we are talking

if i go up a resolution but have to lower the settings then it is not properly capable

nobody says a 6 year old card is a capable card bc it runs the game playable at lowest settings
case in point , a GTX 280 can run GTA5 at 1080p on lowest settings w/ around 50ish fps
do you see people running around telling the world that the GTX280 is a 1080p gaming card?
no you dont , you see cards like the RX470 and GTX 1050 being promoted as 1080p cards as they can play games at that resolution at high to max settings

4k gaming is in its baby stages right now , cards that can play at that resolution cost 700~1200$ ,
the target audience for game developers does not own these , those people own GTX 970's 1060s and RX 4/580's
that is the 70%
unless that runs 4k60 at high+ settings , we are not at 4k mainstream

over and out

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>>61760530
>insane anit-AMD spammer is a reddittard

>>61758244
I live in an apartment in Europe built in the 1960s which has 6A fuses for each room.

600W/240V=2.72A... just for the GPU.

Now we're talking worries about fuses blowing if I start a game or something with that card.

I already use an extension cord to the bedroom for my vacuum cleaner because turning it on while having my computer on in the livingroom will make the fuse blow. A 600W GPU won't exactly help.

>>61758232
you guys wanted vega to beat the 1080ti
well it'll beat the 1080ti now.

>>61763861
Or you could just SLI two 1080 ti's and not burn your house down.

>>61763484
>if a AAA game comes out and in the same year hardware capable of running it 4k comes ou
That won't happen until 4k is a mainstream resolution retard.
Even if nvidia Volta has 1488% better performance than pascal, they will still make games that run about 60fps in 1080p.

I've said it like 6 times and you're still to retarded to understand

>>61763198
for 95% of people it's the 1700 that gets crushed retard

>>61764066
>for 95% of people
nice number, did you shit it your from your ass?

>>61764085
How many % of people do you actually think spend several hours a week twitch gayming or video editing (and also buys shitty midrange CPU to do so)

Probably 40% since that's what you imagine to deal with AMD getting BTFO

>>61764066
95% of people are still running at 1080p 60hz and wouldn't even notice any difference between 7700K and 1700, or even a 1060 6gb and 1080 ti.

>>61764137
>Probably 40%
ah, a new number. do you have diarrhea?

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>p-pls buy intel, plz

>>61764160
>reading comprehension
that wasn't a claim

>>61764145
Then the obvious choise is the 50$ pentium intel has

>>61764190
sure. eat some sopa de macaco. it will cure your diarrhea. but not being a faggot retard. we can't do anything for it.

>>61764212
>when AMDrones run out of arguments ep. 200

>>61764209
You haven't been able to buy the G4560 for $50 for months now. It's $80 at least. Compare that to Ryzen 3 1200 for $110 which has similar single core performance, can be OCed and actually has 4 cores.

Oh shit, finally a use for high quality PSUs instead of Linus building a 4-way Titan xp SLI rig.

>>61758467
Actually if on graphic chips could be very interesting, but currently all dual gpu cards use a interposer and treat as 2 cards.

If Nvidia and amd manages to do a true interconnection it would share same memory. That could on 1-2 gen allow 144hz on 4k.

>>61764230
you have been btfo over and over again then started spurring numbers out of your ass.
uma delicia

>>61764255
NVidia knows the race to MCM GPUs is on. They released a whitepaper already. http://research.nvidia.com/publication/2017-06_MCM-GPU%3A-Multi-Chip-Module-GPUs

>>61764240
>when it's in AMD's favor people would suddenly notice the difference
ha

>>61758623
Where you found a 4k 120hz display? Geniunie curious, if not it's engineered sample, it probably cost a kidney and have shitty lag input.

>>61764266
>started spurring numbers out of your ass.
How many % of people do you actually think spend several hours a week twitch gayming or video editing (and also buys shitty midrange CPU to do so)

>>61758232
ITX crossfire here we come.

>>61764293
you render at 4k and downsample to your 120hz monitors native. Makes everything super crisp like in that image

>>61764173

Threadripper made top 10 on amazon which is quite a feat given its enormous cost compared to the other chips on the list.

>>61764137
>shitty midrange CPU
>>61764298
>shitty midrange CPU
How many % of people do you actually think are going to take anything you say seriously when you sit there spewing fanboy bullshit out of your ass?

>>61764298
>says 7700k better at games
>then starts to shit on gamers calling them "gaymers"
you /v/ermin are really the cancer of /g/.
games cannot even push 1700 to its limits,7700k on the other hand, is stutterfest. enjoy it.
also
>mid-range
kek

>>61764369
No fanboy bullshit, an i5 is also a shitty midrange cpu in this scenario
At this time it's obvious you're just despertely avoiding the question

>>61764394
that's not me /v/ermin. as you can see, everyone sees through your bullshit.

>>61764429
as you can see, every AMDrone avoids the question

>>61764473
I gave your answer, cancer>>61764385
enjoy your hangs.

>>61758284
dual GPUs are never good, amd/nvidia should stop making them

>>61764279
In benchmarks on a testbench w/ completely clean install of Windows, no. In real world usage when Windows (and other programs) are actually doing shit in the background, 2 cores 4 threads is just not going to handle it. 4 cores OCed will, though.

>>61759859
It's likely the devs use primarily Nvidia GPUs so optimization tends to be better for them

>>61764489
>still avoiding
How many % of people do you actually think spend several hours a week twitch gayming or video editing (and also buys shitty midrange CPU to do so)

>>61758284
>Will you care when it runs every game in 4k 144 fps on ultra?
It won't, Crossfire software support has been shit for years and by the looks of it AMD is going to care even less with Vega.

>>61764507
see >>61764279

>>61764500
they will, mcm is the future.
>>61764534
I'm not a retard like you. I don't spurt shitty numbers out of my ass.

>>61760865
Just summing all you said, resolution increase is import till you reach a given ppi, which is affected by view distance.
I thing human eye can distinguish a very big ppi, since I started using my 5" 1440p oled phone, all other phones I see look pixalated. It's not even a joke, from 600ppi or so I believe it just mimics real image, as long as the source is good or vectorised.

>>61760530
AMD's subreddit is where all the anti-AMD trolls go to shitpost. As a result it's more fun than the Intel/Nvidia subreddits where they crack down on freedom of speech and don't allow anything negative about their products on the front page.

Ironically, this has only made AMD's subreddit enormously more popular because it's more fun to read, and that in turn increases AMD's mindshare. Their free speech policies actually enable the subreddit to grow bigger, even if it means a daily churn of anti-AMD posts.

>>61758270
>>61760573
>>61760647
>>61758251
Baneposting haha XD topkek big guy 4U rackmount!

What Nvidia fags don't understand that progress in the field of 3D/CG does not come in the form of ever increasing clock rates but in actual technological changes in the architecture (Both hardware and software). Where AMD innovates and suffers from slowdowns while developers take advantage of new API's etc (DX12/Vulkan FP16, Primitive shader culling etc). Nvidia contues to try and keep DX11 alive like a fucking Frankenstein's monster and thus holding development back.

>>61765109
Prim shaders need no direct developer interaction though.
And nVidia will adopt packed math into mainstream sooner or later, it allows devs to spam compute-heavy effects.

>>61765154
Nvidia just copies and benefits from it. But years later than AMD and then advertise it as some kind of breakthrough (Then charge you extra for it locked to their platform). They are the thieving niggers of the GPU world.

>>61765192
Well that's business for you.
Nvidia's life depends on GPU sales.
They can't into CPUs.

>>61762211
1440 was shilled very hard, 144hz 1440p or just 1440p are mostly accessible now but it's nowhere near being mainstream.
Even he took a aweful time to become the mainstream.
Probably we will see 4k 144hz possible with hardware in 2-3 generations but it will take probably take 4-5 years to 4k to mainstream. For small resolutions it's not really much of a difference, and certainly it didn't deliver the same puch hd brought.

>>61761629
>Are you literally so retarded that you think it's just a magical coincidence that year after year the latest games on average hardware just happen to run about 60fps on the most popular screen resolution?
Have you tried turning off v-sync?

>>61762578
Not it's up to installed base.
If the target demographic of a game is to reach bgger audience 1080 will be focus and upper resolutions considered second.
It's all a matter of budget really.

>>61763316
>>61763316
We can. By the way own amd approved benchmarks it's dog shit.

>>61765206
Isn't Tegra the best consumer ARM SOC out? Imagine a smartphone that could play Switch quality games

>>61765429
Wouldn't call 1080 FPS with better minimums "dogshit" but whatever floats your boat, shill. >>61758407

>>61763839
that's very interesting, anon
thank you for sharing

>>61764145
Even a shitty phenon can maintain 60 fps, it's not a very good metric performance wise. Really high CPU performance is bound to higher frequencies unless you consider shitty unoptimized titles.

>>61761894
>Intel CPUs generally produce 5% IPC gains every two years

>>61765451

Tegra is a fucking huge chip and (for ARM) fucking thirsty. Nvidia is learning the hard way that a cpu isn't just a low core count gpu running very, very fast (same way Intel learnt the hard way that a gpu isn't just shitloads of low clocked cpu cores).

>>61765451
It's a fucking housefire.

>>61765451
>Imagine a smartphone that could play Switch quality games
The Switch has to massively downclock when it's not docked to save on battery life, runs at 720p and has a fan built-in.

>>61764325
I see. I do it with several older games I have usually with 2 1080s I downsample but it's not the same as real 4k.
I will not purchase a 4k until I can find one that support at least 100hz. Once you get used to higher frequencies 60hz is pure cancer

>>61765525
Can't wait for all those fans to start dying a few months from now after constant use and dust build-up plus getting bumped around until they sound like a rattling piece of shit. So many Switches are going to start overheating. lol

>>61765235
>Probably we will see 4k 144hz possible with hardware in 2-3 generation
see >>61762601

>>61765496
better than amd on average

>>61765496
More like zero. IPC = instructions per clock. Hasn't improved for several years. Skylake to Kaby Lake = 0 IPC improvements. Only the clockspeeds went up (and so did the temps).
>>61765661
AMD went up 50% in a single generation. Zen 2 is likely to improve by another 10-15%.

>>61765747
>i literally don't know what "on average" means

>>61765998
>>61765661

>50% over 6 years
or
>20% over 6 years

[THINKING EMOTE]

>>61766179
>6 years
>AMD has been making processors for over 40 years
>i still literally don't know what "on average" means

>>61763839
No one cares about your shitty house, move or don't fucking buy that card