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>Have a question?
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Use >>>/g/ptg as a link to find the /ptg/ thread.
Remember the following:
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>This is a thread for educational purposes only. Don't offer or ask for invites.
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>THIS THREAD IS PG
>>61732218
Don't ever reply to me again.
>>61732218
PG 13? Nice!
hop in we're going to REDdit!
https://twitter.com/PTPStatus/status/893543168016347136
>infiltrated at every level
>IP logs in the hands of the authorities
>shutdown imminent
fifth for kyle
https://twitter.com/PTPStatus/status/893543168016347136
"Major announcement coming up! Sad day for PTP."
>>61732272
>Major announcement coming up! Sad day for PTP.
>>61732272
Nothing lasts forever.
It's a sentiment we're taught from an early age, a maxim that grows to becomes a belief, a belief many times proven to be fact.
Change is never-ending, the world does not stop, life does not stop, and change comes for us all. It is with a feeling of joy, a great amount of pride, and a greater sense of sadness that we, Unclesalty and Voltaire, announce our retirement.
While all things change, not all changes are for the worst. In the years that we've been fortunate enough to steward PTP, we've overseen a multitude of positive changes. We've been amazed to watch how the community has grown, and awed by how the community has evolved. We've seen everyone band together to drastically improve retention, and we've implemented policies that have set a standard for quality control while finding a balance with inclusivity and availability of rare films. We've learned hard lessons, and passed those lessons on to an amazing group of staff members, a group who are among the most professional currently working in the torrent community. Above all else, we've seen the unbridled determination of our community, from the newest members to the most grizzled legends, and how their tenacity has built the largest digital archive of film this world has ever known. PTP's archive holds 8 times as many movies as Amazon Prime, and a staggering 32 times more than Netflix. The world may never know a larger and more accessible archive.
A Farewell from Salty & Volty <3 - posted by unclesalty Just now
>>61732272
https://twitter.com/PTPStatus/status/893545514330980352
F
>>61732272
>>61732289
>>61732294
We're not closing or anything like that. Site's doing very well. Don't be alarmed by our sense for the dramatic.
>:-)
>no :^)
wtf
>>61732308
But this site is more than just an archive. Over and over again we've been inspired by how the staff and community have come together to bring this site back from the brink of extinction. We've weathered some of the most brutal attacks the tracker world has ever seen, in many cases the first of their kind, and watched some truly miraculous things transpire. Throughout all the struggles, all the times PTP came close to death, we never lost sight of the deep and passionate love that this community holds for PTP. You guys are simply incredible. We want you to know that, and to know that you are what kept us fighting, you are why the doors never shuttered for good.
We spent years pouring our hearts into this place, working 80+ hour weeks when needed. While PTP has thrived and grown, our own lives have grown along side it. Our jobs have grown into intensive careers, our relationships have grown to become families with children of our own, and the demands on our time have inevitably shifted focus. While we still love this place to death, we can no longer make the commitments that PTP requires, and deserves. So, it is time to hand the reigns over to those who can.
We have worked closely with all of our staff to develop teams and to cultivate leaders within those teams. Alamak, Doubt, Forseti, Nuked, Meadow, and Machenic will work together with paperk to guide and nurture the site from here on out. They are more capable, and far better equipped, to handle whatever the comes their way than we ever were. They have our every confidence, and with all of you behind them, there's no end to what they can accomplish.
Farewell PTP. We leave you with the hope that our time here has left an impact on your lives. And with the knowledge that this experience has completely changed our lives, and that in fact, is something that will last forever.
>>61732330
>Alamak, Doubt, Forseti, Nuked, Meadow, and Machenic
literally who?
>>61732308
>>61732330
PTP is not closing down. That is not what is implied by the tweet.
>>61732253
Gonna reply with the magic of PG approved love.
>no featured torrent on KG for over a month
>>61732374
Because it is not PG Approved.
>>61732350
some nerd staff member no one cares about is probably leaving. they might as well delete that twitter account. all it does is attract attention.
>>61732411
You shouldn't call people nerds, it's not PG
When the fuck will PTP reopen recruitment?
>>61732385
>We spent years pouring our hearts into this place, working 80+ hour weeks when needed.
>>61732453
open regs on ptp right now
>>61732487
DELETE THIS
Hey /ptg/ I think you are faggots but since I just made ETM fuck it I will let you faggots know how to get buffer on RED for free.
Basically Tidal rips are allowed. Just use this program.
https://github.com/svbnet/Athame
Oh but Anon you are gonna get my account banned. Nope faggot it is legal.
https://redacted.ch/forums.php?page=3&action=viewthread&threadid=6646
But what do I download Anon.
That is easy 2017 albums. Go look at this website and see what albums are dropping. Protip download long albums to save your self some time. Try completion packs for all that buff.
http://www.junodownload.com/all/eight-weeks/releases/
Oh,
REMEMBER TO CHECK THE SPECTROS ON WHAT YOU RIP BECAUSE SOME OF THE SONGS ON TIDAL ARE NOT LOSSLESS.
>inb4 delete this
Nope it is too late
>>61732453
did they update the user details page? you can see how many new users there were each month by hovering over the graph.
>26 this year
>>61732487
get them while they are hot
https://passthepopcorn.me/register.php
Hey guys, what's the best FTP client?
>>61732536
FUCKING DELETE THIS NOW
>>61732539
WinSCP! :D
>>61732539
FTP4Retards
Wow I guess BTN/HDB/PTP really is the top of the cabal. There's nothing in their invite forums worth having that I don't already have.
>>61732272
paperk is retiring a sysop.
>another day
>another day without an invite to the KG
Holy shit, Voltaire retired from PTP, lol.
Too bad, he was one the good ones.
GOOD RIDDANCE TO UNCLEFAGGOT THO, WHAT A CUNT HE WAS!
>>61732469
>>61732531
Is there any valid reason as to why they've shut everything down apart from "muh WCD"
>another day
>another day without an invite to the KG
>>61732662
go be an ironic weeb somewhere else
>>61732648
imo ptp has gotten a lot better since they closed down.
>>61732648
Well, they are over their current user capacity. But they could simply raise the user cap to something like 40k.
I miss the old /ptg/
>>61732677
hello kyle!
>>61732539
lftp
just signed up on ptp holy shit
Is it acceptable to download 1080p rips on PTP and reencode to 720p and upload to fill a request?
>>61732896
How did you get in?
>>61732966
Yes, go for it.
>>61732966
Yes, it's fine, that's how everyone does it.
>>61732315
'00s fetus detected
>>61732966
yep
what's in MAM's invite forum? new to private trackers here
>>61733051
They have official TehC invites.
>>61733051
pictures of ur mom's hairy asshole
>>61733051
Not a single hecking thing
>>61733078
DELETE THIS
>>61733075
>>61733051
6 month requirement just FYI
>>61732539
Your web browser
>when I finally get an invite to karargraga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJTC8GsK2Q
>>61733051
Best are TehConnection and MTV, solid mid-tier movie/tv trackers. Rest are random pickings, comics, couple ratioless low traffic sites, apollo.
PTP IS CLOSED
>>61733192
Good!
Jesus Christ! Apollo is fucking garbage!
>>61733245
Apollo is the best there is, neonboi.
>>61733254
Always knew the neon spammer was Apollo staff
>>61733254
t. d****o***u
>>61733264
Bet u'd like this BIG INDIAN COCK, neonboI!?
oh look more apollo curry posting
totally not shitting up the gen
>>61733316
Don't you dare start posting anime, animenigger.
so what is a better mid tier tracker for tv than mtv?
>>61733345
didn't we talk about this, kyle? stop trying too hard. now go to the gym or something. good boy
holy shit, insane anime spammer = kyle
>>61733451
At last I truly see
>>61733451
my name isn't kyle
https://animebytes.tv/user.php?id=23520
>>61733505
I visited this link now all my anime is in 144p??
>>61733533
Just download the 1080p rip
>>61733549
WTF IT WONT LET ME
>>61732966
Don't listen to the other retards. 1080p to 720p isn't acceptable. You need a RAW.
>>61732539
For downloading single files on shitty connections (hard to saturate bandwidth), BitKinex.
For good connections, doesn't matter.
>>61733629
>Release Date: 07/11/2010
oh boy
>>61733649
And yet nothing modern can saturate my bandwidth nearly as well as that abandonware.
>>61732308
>>61732330
>>61732385
>publicly posting the homepage announcements
>naming specific staff members
all you had to say was "staff members retire - site still okay"
this is why they hate you - only apooloo tolerates these kind of leaks
>>61732453
dude there are already 4,000+ too many people on the site
>>61732966
>>61733609
correct - no transcodes whatsoever
please /part
>>61733645
>>61733645
>>61733645
>>61733645
>>61733741
why?
>>61733741
you /part/ and get marked.
>>61732269
short bus to REDtarded young man?
Hello good peoples of the /ptg/. Can anyone quickly check if RED or APL has The Disco Biscuits? That would be domo appreciated. Thank you good sirs!
>>61734787
Not on RED
>cabal
Funny way to spell botnet
>>61732218
Hello
Henlo you stinky Monomi
Go be Monokuma's slave ugly
Month 7 waiting on my DB9 inv
>>61734767
>>61734787
>>61734841
are you ok, kyle? is there anyone I can call?
>>61734787
both have them
>>61735352
prove it
>>61735362
nice try, snitch
>>61735384
Nice lie. Attention whore
>>61732218
Holy shit, I finished this tonight. Go play it.
>>61735975
I have the first one. It's kinda boring? The gameplay is slow as moleasses is my major complaint. I can take the one-dimensional characters to an extend. But it's just so unfun to 'play' the 'game' part of this VN
>>61736067
grow up
>>61736079
Why are you so insecure?
>>61736067
It's more of a story with dialogue, than an actual game you play.
It's still a fun game though with an interesting plot
>>61736237
I know that. I even address that
>>61732272
sir what is the PTP ???? passing the peadphones??????? wtf...........
>>61736837
Passing the Punjabi you dummy
>>61736837
pass the purry
>>61737268
pass the pussy?
>>61736837
Pass the Ponies. They track MLP related content.
>>61737304
only if it tastes like curry
>>61736837
it doesn't matter anymore because ptp will be dead before the end of the year
screencap this post
what do you guys think is the best tracker (or other resource) for classical music today?
>>61737807
>red/apollo/notwhatcd
Pick your poison.
>>61737807
RUT and my parents collection.
>>61737807
RED/Apollo/RuTracker
>>61737835
certainly not apollo because it's a turd website
>>61737842
>>61737924
i guess not much as changed - no real focus/community around classical in most of the exclusive privates and it's still just demonoid years back/and now RUT ?
>>61737835
i guess they're more or less the same then?
>>61738104
>i guess they're more or less the same then?
RED and Apollo are about even for classical, but NWCD has basically nothing
>>61738065
grow up, it's just as good as RED
>>61735975
Upupupu....
>>61738143
good to know thanks senpai
oh look redacted and apollo each have their own /ptg/
>>61738143
>RED and Apollo are about even for classical
No.
>>61734787
RED:
Number of groups: 638
Number of torrents: 939
Number of seeders: 1,391
Number of leechers: 0
Number of snatches: 1,117
Someone else can give you comparable band stats from APL.
>>61740040
Fuck off kyle
>>61740050
>Fuck off kyle
That was a response to someone asking about The Disco BIscuits, not a Redacted flame. pls2context. Grow up.
>>61740139
How is it a response at all? I asked for it and I don't see the connection at all.
>>61740050
If you don't understand the conversation, shut your spermhole.
>>61732308
>The world may never know a more accessible archive
Kek
>>61740243
>>61740174
>being elite or above
truly cancer
>>61740476
>contributing to your free shit
what a cuck
>>61740497
The joke is i know you are elite because I am also elite+ and saw the [x] tag.
Too much autism here.
The other thread is full of retards.
>>61740562
>optionally volunteering to edit pages so RED doesn't end up looking like pooloo
seriously what a faggot
>>61740575
You just get editing powers once you hit elite automatically.
>>61740589
Did I mention optional
requesting rtorrent users to post their rc file
>>61740038
dont be a cockteasing faggot if you disagree, which one is better
>>61741686
apl users don't like stats, they're as secretive as the church of scientology, but red has twice as many torrents as apl. apl is also suffering a net loss of torrents so that gap is widening, whereas red averages 1000-2000 new uploads per day.
>>61741686
rutracker for the moment, but red is worth joining. APL is the 3rd best.
apollo made my NAS smell like poo
hdb recruitment thread still up on bib. I'm on my way to elite and there's nothing the haters can do about it!
>>61743262
Nobody cares
>>61743714
(you) do!
Why 312c didn't retire? :(
>>61741534
https://github.com/rakshasa/rtorrent/wiki/CONFIG-Template
the new config example disables DHT and PEX by default
>>61744793
Why?
>>61742815
rutracker isn't a private tracker pleb
when the fuck is PTP gonna open up
>>61745369
Never.
>>61745369
stay out Rajeet
>>61745369
around the same time KG opens up invitations on AB
>>61745369
just use piratebay
What Invite threads do MAM have?
>>61745369
same time as BTN
QBITTORRENT 3.4 IS ABOUT TO BE RELEASED.
IF YOU WANT TO MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THE RELEASE, LOOK AT THE LINKS IN THIS FORUM POST.
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3982.msg25534.html#msg25534
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3982.msg25534.html#msg25534
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3982.msg25534.html#msg25534
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3982.msg25534.html#msg25534
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3982.msg25534.html#msg25534
>>61746120
why would anyone care about qbit when utorrent 2.2.1 exist?
>>61746120
beat it, kid
>>61746239
utorrent has 2.2.1 an unreleased exploit
enjoy being owned one of these days
>>61746258
>unreleased
Kek, every client has an "unreleased" exploit
>>61746239
>>61746253
LOL 2.2.1 WINFAGS. YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ON /G/ MUCH LESS /PTG/
>>61746276
I mean some fag HAS an exploit and hasn't released it.
Not "undiscovered", baka
>>61746296
Kek, every client has that.
>>61746296
says you
>>61746327
Stop being a faggot, no they don't.
>>61746280
Why are you shouting?
Are you buttblasted that Winbabies arehigher up the pyramid than you?
>>61746280
shitux fag detected, have fun on your niche welfare OS
>>61746346
Stop shitpostan
This thread is GAY! GAY I SAY!
>>61746346
Kek, every faggot using bleeding edge with dozens of unreleased exploits says that.
>>61746350
>Are you buttblasted that Winbabies arehigher up the pyramid than you?
LOL NIGGER I AM ON HDB. I AM AT THE TOP.
>>61746384
So unreleased is undiscovered again?
Try again, shit eater.
T-T-Thanks, IPT
Can someone please snatch English subtitle for this movie,Ive been everywhere and found only machine translations.
>Science Fiction Volume One: The Osiris Child
The movie also goes by the name
>Origin Wars
>>61746441
what'd you do to get banned off of such a low tier tracker
>>61746441
>getting banned from a taliban tracker
what'd you do?
>>61746484
I dunno but I have 8.5 TB buffer...
>>61746441
Are you the same guy on HD-Space?
>>61746499
yes
>>61746441
go back
>>61746530
You are a lazy mod bruh.
Like the forums are dead and the site is slower than ever,the new rues dont help.
>>61746484
He has been leeching shit to other trackers.
>>61746474
I put it on soulseek for you
>>61746713
hahah epik
Seriously though I need the sub
>>61746762
Fine. I'll remove it then.
>>61746411
Nah man, they are discovered, I have 20 exploits for your favorite client, I just didn't bother to release them.
>>61746411
No, but I'm sure some shitposter 'has' (read: claims that he has) unreleased exploits for every semi-popular software.
Best way to build buffer on RED?
https://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/6rr7gl/ptps_archive_holds_8_times_as_many_movies_as/dl7880h/?context=10000
How fucking cucked can you get?
>>61747294
Sacrifice your router to the gods
lul
>>61747273
Read the rules or ask in IRC, but almost every place allows using VPNs/seedboxes for downloads (some require that you inform them though).
Most places only require logging in every x days, but I wouldn't be surprised if some tracker required at least some data traffic (iirc I saw somewhere that if you don't DL or UL anything within first month of creating the account you will get disabled).
>>61747294
Fill my requests.
>>61747346
>tidal
>not true lossless
But no audio release is? What are they smoking?
>>61747346
God damn RED is fucking trash
>>61747346
TIDAL SPAMMER BTFO
Is AB staff also on rizon? Can I PM them there for an invite?
>>61747540
Yeah. You should PM them your other PT accounts too.
>>61747547
I only really used nyaa in the past but now it's gone.
>>61747601
get out of my thread
>>61747616
Just tell me the names of AB staff on rizon.
>>61747703
What's that?
>>61747734
>What's that?
>>61747734
I happen to have a spare invite to AB, but I'll only offer it to you if you guess mai anime waifu. Hint
>>61747754
>>61747787
Isn't accepting invites from 4channers very risky? What's wrong with asking staff directly?
>>61747834
Alright, you had your chance.
>>61747834
https://nyaa.si/ is a public Nyaa replacement.
Now fuck off.
>>61747867
What happened to pants anyhow? I checked yesterday and they died?
>>61747901
pantsu.cat
anidex.info
nyaa.si
All public.
All good.
You aren't going to get an AB invite.
>>61747943
Oh. Last time I checked pants was 404ing. I am on AB.
>>61747901
.si had the cartel backing it so all retards were using it
I guess pantsu guy stopped bothering.
>>61747943
Why do you think so? Let me talk to AB staff and I'll convince them to give me an invite.
>>61747995
You blew your chance.
>>61747995
>Let me talk to AB staff and I'll convince them to give me an invite.
No. No you will not. Until recently they were pretty much closed, and they still only recruit from a few sites.
>>61748024
Nice meme. Are you retarded?
>>61747995
>My little anon can't be this retarded
>>61748102
What meme? You literally blew your chance.
>tenth day waiting for tehc invite
Fuck.
Is Zaitsev79 or am I fucked? There were no additional requirements in the invite thread.
>>61748233
neck yourself
>>61748233
>*Is Zaitsev79 dead or am I fucked?
>>61748351
Why? Unlike the bibliotik anon I'm dead serious.
>>61748468
Dude, sometimes it takes months for invites to anywhere. Chill out and be patient.
>>61747430
there's barely any 24-bit on Tidal anyways so not really.
What links site has the most content?
>>61748495
>months
And they disappear in 3 days too.
Fuck, I don't feel like checking it daily for a few months.
>>61748233
i asked for an invite to nwcd like 2 months ago and still nothing
i dont even care at this point i just want it as a backup of a backup
>>61748518
If you don't feel like checking daily you don't deserve it.
>>61748624
I will do it, 'm just angery.
>>61748233
it's another daily cry until babby gets his invite edition
>>61746120
Why should I care? Is there anything remotely useful that will be added?
fuck I really hate anime now
>>61748746
Do you not know that that is the big modernizing update that changes everything about it?
>>61748754
happy 14th birthday anon! many happy returns!
>>61748766
No, that's why I'm asking dummy
>>61747294
pic related
>>61748769
Imagine being so unintelligent you get btfo in two separate threads?
>Recruitment caught up to: 17 May 2017
still no invite
>>61749073
wtf are you babbling on about, kyle?
>>61749190
You'll get there
>>61749173
/marked/
>>61749199
bye
>>61749336
Go blogpost about your suicide someplace else filthy attention whore.
>>61749350
kys, you piece of shit
>>61749441
not your blog
>>61749462
drink bleach
>>61749787
not your blog
>[–]mildlyincoherent
>It's intentionally that way: BP is a way to incentivise user behavior. If someone is helping to keep the archive alive for other people then there's no reason they shouldn't basically have free leech.
Zed btfo.
>>61749984
If your userbase needs an incentive to seed maybe you have the wrong kind of users.
>>61749984
>movie tracker
>music tracker
think about it, kyle, then fuck off
>>61750003
>If your userbase needs an incentive to seed maybe you have the wrong kind of users.
Yes, but there's no way to guarantee 100% of your users are the ideal kind without banning almost all the users.
>>61749462
>>61749791
ok champ, it's almost your bedtime. go and put your pjs on.
>>61750003
Does that make 312c the king of curry?
>>61750061
Yes.
>>61750061
Could you repeat the question?
>>61750061
yes and no.
>>61750049
not your blog
BBT will be opening invites system, how long until it evolves to a competitor of AB?
>>61750151
Never.
>>61750151
they're about 660 series behind
>>61750021
>general tracker
>HD tracker
>TV tracker
>anime tracker
>book tracker
fuck off neon
>>61750307
none of those niche trackers ever had 2 million+ torrents. a music tracker requires a no-bp, hard economy in order to build and maintain so much content.
>>61750536
t. PhD in tracker economics
>>61750536
good goy yes yes pay for a seedbox and get good ratio yes yes good ogy
>>61750536
>maintain
>0/1/0 loses the only seeder because of being banned, hard drive breaking, getting bored with the tracker, etc.
>0/0/0 automatically deleted because of lack of activity
>"""maintain"""
>>61750584
no need, sir. we can just falsify the stats and everything is very perfect! pls to donate bitcoins, kind sirs. tracker not dying whatsoever
>>61750620
APL doesn't delete things tho what are you saying
>>61750620
>that Engrish
hello kyle
>>61750639
t. seedbox provider shill
>>61750661
>Hello, Kyle.
Fixed your post for you, Kyle.
>>61750688
Goodbye, Johnny.
>>61750849
okay
>>61750849
hi kyle!
this is the worst ptg
>>61750884
I wonder everyday where it went wrong. Then I came to the realization that the internet is simply too accessible these days.
>>61736067
It might be unfun at first due to the difficulty. There are some trials that feel boring, the first one is obvious and the this is confusing at times. There are more features that are added as it goes on and the challenge does get ramped up here and there. Just keep pushing.
>>61735975
Agreed the series is awesome. If you like visual novels that are different yet interesting and story driven you will like it. It's definitely worthy of praise.
>>61751072
>if you like novels that are story-driven
>>61751113
>>61751072
11037.
The one true thread which came first.
Small question. Is there a tracker that has the PSOFT Pencil 4+ plugin for 3ds max? Can anyone please upload it somewhere convenient?
Just unloaded a premium account for a defective .iso, fuck.
>>61752226
Thanks, man. I'll register on the next 15th and get it. By the way, what's the link posted by MiiNiiW at the end of the PSOFT thread?
which thread should I be posting in?
This one or >>61733645 ?
>>61752677
ask me in the other thread
>>61752669
What.
>>61752677
This one came first.
RED FL
CONTEST IS OVER
>>61752847
finally caught one early
>>61732218
Can I put loli/shotacon on my seedbox?
I'm not sure if a euro server would have the freedoms that America has.
>>61753104
try it out.
>>61752847
>>61752873
fake news
>>61753104
Depends on the country where the seedbox is. Netherlands should be fine as long as it's 2D, but don't be surprised if the provider nukes your slot.
>>61753366
hmm it's seedhost, so it's Netherlands.
guess I'll pass though, I'll just seed them from my home line
>>61753703
Yen + for fapping
>>61753720
some autist had a mental breakdown because of the new yen forumla
>>61753720
>needing yen on AB
You've read nii-chan by harada?
>>61753728
New? Did they update it?
>>61753737
I don't need it, I want it.
There are anons that are getting like 100k a day.
>>61753758
>I want it
seems like a personal issue
>>61753780
That's because it is dipshit, I never claimed otherwise
>>61753754
yes, they changed the seed time component. check you're yen/day stats.
>>61753783
mine actually doubled...
I think it dropped for the people who were getting insane amounts though
>>61753783
>40k
what da fug
I looked in the forums, I guess they will probably tweak it more before they announce it.
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>>61753980
>250+ posts
>new
fuck off retard
>>61754005
>promoting a shitty /ptg/ knockoff
>>/g/csg
>>61754051
Are you literally talking about the place we stole our News meme from
>61754110
Yeah that's the place.
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>>61746497
>I dunno but I have 8.5 TB buffer...
had