> yfw Tesla's solar roof looks aesthetic
We're totally going full solar.
>>61724917
f only it were actually affordable
>>61724917
Looks like plastic shit.
>>61724917
It's been estimated that it takes about 10 years for it to start recouping costs, even after state rebates.
>>61724943
It's cheap
> Tesla has priced them at an average of $21.85 per square foot, bringing them down to below the cost of a normal roof.
>>61724953
They must be selling them at a loss.
>>61724917
>stronger
>cheaper
>aesthetic
>combined with Tesla battery pack makes your home and car autonomous
Elon musk is unironically the best human being
>>61724917
Looks ok, actually.
>>61724947
LOL, so what you little dipshit?
>>61724948
A bit like a mortgage on an investment apartment
You can cover any surface with this shit for cheap. It's not like clumsy glass panels.
People will be building sheds and shit to maximize energy productions for their cars and homes.
>>61724953
thats not particularly cheap but also not so bad if installation isnt insane. also if its durability and longevity is reasonable.
its almost a shame all my trees drop my propertys solar potential to near zero
>>61724948
Obviously it's cost saving for new houses and those that need renovation. Like everything new it'll take time to spread.
>>61724948
During that time you don't have electricity bills, though. So instead of finacing miilions of dollars income for electricity provider ceos and managers you are investing that money in your own property.
>>61724972
>480x223
>3.43 MB
>.gif
If you didn't want to be taken seriously you could have just not posted.
So if every home has these solar shingles we could . . . . put one fossil plant on standby for a bit, till the general demand completely offsets it.
Well I guess. At least it ought to shut Al Gore up some.
>>61725079
>every home has these
>one fossil plant
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Ask a solar wholesaler anything
>QCELLS is top tier
>enphase is actually shit
>LG Chem > Tesla Powerwall 2
>Jinko is junk
I will never own a electric car specifically because it can't beat the sound of a internal combustion engine
>>61725190
what's the best sweet spot panel?
balance between efficiency and cost/area
>>61725190
Why are Koreans so advanced? If they were an English speaking country they would dominate new tech development.
>((((green)))) energy
everything is going according to plan
It can save some energy but it's not useful on it's own.
I use solar energy, two small wind turbines, diy running water electricity generator and huge ass batteries and still run out of energy sometimes.
>Inb4 why tho?
I live in the middle of nowhere and having electricity and water arrive to my home is a lot more expensive
tfw yuropoor
tfw no sun anyway
>>61725240
>not wanting to live in a home that doesn't depend on energy companies
>not wanting a home that can power your car and not depend on oil companies
Here's your (((you))).
>>61725079
>and Al Gore is so fat
> and sounds boring
> he wears Autumn colors
Guess that's /thread. Your arguments have blown everyone else in the world the fuck out.
>>61725224
Trina is ok but recently they went private (not listed on NASDAQ anymore or whatever) , they tried to re-list on the Chinese stock market but were unsuccessful. I'd be worried about their financial future so I'd probably not buy panels on the basis that they might not be around for the 25 year linear warranty. Canadian Solar perform really well and are probably in the same price range as Trina or maybe 1-2 cents per watt more expensive
>>61725237
intelligence + landspace restriction. LG Neon panels are actually dope af desu sendai
>>61725243
>I use solar energy, two small wind turbines, diy running water electricity generator and huge ass batteries
post pics w/ time-date
But, we know you can't because you're a lying sack of shit.
rare earth metals are not renewable.
>>61725214
Nobody asked.
>>61724917
>solar roof
>house surrounded by trees taller than house
too clever by half.
Solar will happen when the government realizes that decentralized energy production should be a project for the department of defense and the massive defense budget gets put towards giving people solar roofs.
The US interstate system was originally created for the department of defense.
The real question is, why the fuck aren't we trying to replace fossil fuel generation with nuclear? Solar and wind are still memes and will be at least for a decade or two.
>>61725459
>decentralized energy production
also decentralizes government. What bureaucrat or aristocrat wants that? They're going to save their decentralized generation for themselves and their armies. The people are the enemy.
>>61725479
>What bureaucrat or aristocrat wants that?
>>61724975
He's an alien and just wants to go to his home planet :(
>>61725479
Not from the gubmint, but more forward-thinking private utilities have been subsidizing it to add generation capacity and redundancy at lower cost. Still expensive though.
>>61725460
The department of energy, who would spearhead such a thing, is currently run by Rick Perry. The man spent years calling for the end of the energy department, and was then nominated for the position. He said he no longer believes it should be closed, now that he has been briefed on what it actually does.
>>61725557
>The department of energy, who would spearhead such a thing, is currently run by Rick Perry.
He said that nuclear would be an option, reflecting on France's success with nukes.
>The man spent years calling for the end of the energy department.
So? Other than weapons, what do they do that states aren't already doing?
>He said he no longer believes it should be closed, now that he has been briefed on what it actually does.
Which is?
>>61725024
>During that time you don't have electricity bills
What's the output of the panels?
>>61725065
>this faggot doesn't know the masterful engineering of GIFLIB
lol, go fuck yourself
>>61724948
This is one of Trump's countless lies which is easily disproven with minimal research.
>>61724994
Plastic and wood fags get out
>>61725024
>buying shit from Tesla is investing in your own property
>>61724917
>they don't know about California's duck curve
Kek, enjoy your power outages, greenfags
>>61725656
> doesn't know shingles are neither plastic or wood
>>61725650
It isn't, CTR shill. Fuck off to >>>/pol/.
>>61725676
That's why the real priority should be nuclear for base load.
>>61724972
is this the nrew anti plane protection?
>>61724972
I'm tired of fucking meteors ruining my roof tiles, thank you Tesla!
>>61724994
>A bit like a mortgage on an investment apartment
Solar panels don't last much longer than 10 years. And "estimates" of ROI of ((((green)))) energy are usually highly inflated and ignores anything that might lower it.
>>61724994
> looks aesthetic
> looks like plastic shit
> so what
Can't you read? They were offering their own opinion to dispute OP's
>>61725240
(((green)))
Actually that's saying fuck you to all the jews company fucking up the planet and our society
>>61725557
Omg fuck trump
>muh aesthetic
>muh durability
>muh price
and how good is their efficiancy?
its shit
loving how this board falls hook, line and sinker for the green energy jew.
>>61725931
But don't forget the amount of (you)'s and likes generated per year.
>>61725867
There's jews on both sides, anon. That's the world we live in now.
>>61725931
Houses without solar roofs won't get an access port under their home to the mars-earth Hyperloop est. 2040
Remember to petition your local government official about sending more funding to Tesla or you won't get a free electric car made out of aircarbonâ„¢
>>61725931
Scenario 3: you get the tesla roof AND a ton of solar panels on top.
A bit pricey and the energy production doesn't increase, but you the tax deductions makes it worth it.
>>61726003
In other words, ((((green)))) energy is just a means to generate tax benefits, and not actually viable for energy production.
>>61725955
at least the green jew doesn't fuck up the planet so much.
>>61726033
Except all the rare earth metals and huge quantities of coal and carbon ballooned into the air just mining the raw materials for such technology. You think those massive wheel-mining machines run on solar power?
>>61724917
>going full solar
Good for you.
I'm a bit envious. As someone who lives in Northern Europe I don't really have the option.
There's barely sun most of the year and roofs are mostly covered in snow. Nobody's going ot invest in a solar roof for the 4 of 12 months in the year where the sun actually shines on it.
>>61726066
>>61726033
What if I told you there was a solution...
>check out those dubs
>using individuals tiles on your roof as solar panels when there could be upwards of 100 different pieces, rather than installing 20-40 high efficiency solar panels which would be be a more effective way of detecting defective or deteriorating units
>>61726153
There are too many stupid people scared of muh radiation.
>>61726107
>Nobody's going ot invest in a solar roof for the 4 of 12 months in the year where the sun actually shines on it.
((((Germans)))) will and do.
>>61726066
You know we *grow* silicon crystals, right?
The heavy metals and other materials are virtually nothing compared to building the barrels that carry oil and coal... (Or the equipment that refines and burns them)
>>61726167
well when the great minds of our generation think its smart to build them on fault lines I think it's warranted.
>>61726107
Even in the depths of winter you get about 3 hours of useful capacity on average.
Bolt on some decent storage you'll be fine.
>>61726177
>shut down nuclear reactors
>wtf no power
>solution: build coal plant
Germans leading the way once again.
>>61724917
A guy I know mines ethereum off his solar. He has a huge barn and is planning to put solar panels on top of that.
>>61726196
What generation? There were no new nuclear projects between 1977 and 2013. There is no reason to think they would be unsafe though, as they are meant to go into failsafe at the slightest issue.
>>61726262
I'm talking about Fukushima.
>>61726153
>implying BWRs are in any way a solution
youre in the right direction at least
>>61726274
The nips don't have the safety culture we do. It was their fault for building there, and doing stupid shit that made it worse. We have always studied for faults, though.
>>61726209
>implying the panels won't be covered by a meter of snow and ice
>implying there is any sunlight for a few months
>>61726318
No it wasn't that. Fukushima was a 40 or so year old plant, that was built before chernobyl popped off. It was scheduled for decommissioning about 10 times over the last 20 years but was cancelled each time.
I don't know exactly why it was cancelled, but the usual reason is that building a new one to replace it was stopped by environmentalists.
>>61726300
Referring to the pic? It's just something I pulled of jewgle. I want to see 'murica fast-track newer designs. I want us to take our rightful place as leader in nuclear energy (and convert warheads to fuel).
>>61725214
>muh car
Who the fuck cares? Your new roof will protect you from orbital strikes and power your 4chan machine FOR FREE.
>>61726343
>40 or so year old plant, that was built before chernobyl popped off
Age shouldn't matter if it was maintained properly.
>It was scheduled for decommissioning about 10 times over the last 20
Sauce? I couldn't find anything to that effect.
>>61726426
>power your 4chan machine FOR FREE.
Average intelligence of the pro-solar crowd on display here.
>>61726365
but newer designs cost more money and utility companies generally dont like that.
we had a gen IV HTGR where i live for quite a while but the utility company decided to decommission it and build a shiny new gas fired plant in its place. much more profit.
nuclear power is largely a dead end due to greed and ignorance...
>>61726461
age matters in that older reactor designs are shit.
when those reactors at fukushima were designed many people were still using rotary phones.... im not even old enough to have ever used a rotary phone.
>>61726507
The designs are shit, but the problem seems to have been that Tepco didn't build a seawall high enough to prevent flooding, and that seems to be the reason for the disaster. According to Wiki, Onagawa NPP was closer to the epicenter but was largely unaffected.
>>61726480
I think a lot of the cost is because of over-regulation and over-engineering. muh radiation and all that.
>>61725024
Yes because when it's clouded it produces electricity with magic
>>61726538
it was a combination of things.
>water is a retarded coolant and not even the best moderator
>zircaloy is is even more retarded
>locating critical equipment in a basement at a coastal site is potato
>not taking measures to prevent the potato basement from being flooded is . . . i dont even
>>61726577
i wont argue with over-regulation, but over-engineering... water reactors are over-engineered for sure. HTGRs are pretty fucking simple, as are many gen IV designs that are self-moderated, passively cooled, and not picky on fuel.
note that much of the extra cost i speak of is due to the fact the newer designs cant realistically be scaled up as they did with water reactors. less power generated per reactor
>>61724917
The electric company will go bankrupt
>>61725676
you realize home solar panels can be connected to your city's grid and sell electricity to your provider? during those working hours, your provider will be able to save coal/oil/gas and use it later in the afternoon/evening. there won't even be a need for batteries.
even solar power plants can do this. take charge during the noon hours while letting fossil fuel plants "take a break".
>>61726738
Not for a very long time if ever. Solar roofs are partially to solve the problem of the electric companies with increased demand by electric cars.
>>61726738
electricity demand is growing so much, that even with widespread use of solar we will still see expansion of fossil fuel power plants, at least in the United States. US population is still growing, and since air conditioners are cheap many southern cities are growing. solar will actually help traditional electric companies
>>61726639
Wtf water is the best coolant due to viscosity and specific thermal capacity
>>61726888
Don't forget that all cars will be electric or plug-in hybrids in the near future.
That's a lot of extra demand even if most of it will be at night.
Sounds great until you realize that the sun will die eventually.
>>61725713
>>CTR
>Redirecting a supposed liberal to /pol/
>Not posting source for his argument
What type of special retard are you?
>>61726900
unless of course youre dealing with a NUCLEAR REACTOR in which case water makes for a disaster waiting to happen for several reasons.
water in secondary loop = fine
water in primary loop = retarded
>>61726928
I honestly see offices/work places allowing to charge your parked car and take a fee from your salary. this will literally fill the "belly" of the duck curve if there are enough electric cars.
>>61726343
That sounds too ironic to be true. Are the hippies really that retarded?
>>61724943
I read this in a Scottish accent
>>61726984
in fact, they are
>>61726984
are you really that retarded that you don't get that it cheaper for Tepco to bribe Hiro from the energy dept. to keep the plant going than to build a new one?
>>61725931
After those idiot go green, jew can buy cheaper oil
>>61726473
>saying solar panels will protect you from orbital strikes isn't a big enough hint to make anon understand that the post is a joke
Dude.
>>61725931
elonfags blown the fuck out
>>61724917
What are they made of? Can I still collect rain water?
>>61726945
>pointlessly injecting trump into a discussion of energy
no further argument is needed.
>>61725931
What about when building a new house?
>>61726706
>over-engineering
I meant the whole plant in general, trying to get to that idiotic 15 millirem limit.
>cant realistically be scaled up
Seems like an artificial limitation. The low cost of uranium should offset the cost of extra reactors.
>Put a couple of solar cells on the roof for 5% of the price
>Nearly the same effect
>Yfw
>>61726960
Ok so what material you suggest?
>>61727063
>implying that people here still joke
joking ended when the last election cycle began. see >>61725650
They seem cool but expensive. For now it's probably not worth it for most people
>>61727246
better but still shit.
tesla tiles are perfect if you are ~30y old, knee deep in debt due to your house but still got a credit line open and need that extra to show your suburb neighbours where you're at.
>>61726977
then the go home and raise the head of the duck in the evening,
keep charging in the morning and raise the tail
>>61727205
He's one of the most important men of the planet and he's advocating against clean energy because American industry is so shit that it can't operate under world-class standards. How is it off-topic?
>>61727719
He's not advocating against it, he's just not advocating in favor of it. You'd think he banned the damn thing if you listened to liberals
>>61727719
>advocating against clean energy
o rly? want to give me sauce?
>American industry is so shit that it can't operate under world-class standards
yeah, those coal companies sure are having a boom, that's why they're going bankrupt.
>>61727759
i remember hearing a sound bite of him saying that the mix would be "all of the above", specifically mentioning renewables and nuclear. he's just not on board with the 100% renewables meme.
>>61724953
>a fully wired up solar panel is cheaper than normal roof tiles
maybe slate tiles, but even then I doubt it's cheaper than slate tiles
>>61725010
Iktf
My house has two huge oak trees nearby, very shady
>>61724917
Looks like a gimmick to me. How is this better and more cost efficient than a regular panel?
>>61727825
it isn't
normrods and nu-males eat anything Musk says and view it as gospel
he could sell a kit to kill your first born child and people would still buy it
>>61727372
Fuck off >>>/pol/
>>61727874
how does that make me a /pol/ack? i'm sick of it just like everybody else.
>>61724972
>hurr durr silicon pane is stronger than terracotta lmao xDDDDD
Literally a non-issue. Musk is a joke.
>>61724947
You're missing the point
>>61727901
How is durability a non issue you fucking mong? This is to disprove electric company propaganda easily to normies when it starts coming out.
>>61724917
Already debunked by EEVBlog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6FXy_LQXrs
>>61725650
Clinton is still paying her shill army I see
>it hails
>just one crack makes the entire roof useless
>>61725240
SHUT IT DOWN
>>61725676
Label your fucking axes REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>61727950
I have a 40+ year old terracotta roofing and I barely have to replace a tile a year. Literally a non-issue. Again, Musk is a con artist and a meme.
No love for sodium reactors? Breeder reactors are the only right answer for the future.
>>61724917
Can you walk on it? I'm not hiring some asshole to come clean my gutters, I do that shit by myself.
>>61724917
That doesn't look aesthetic, no.
I'll never get shingles.
However Tesla does makes a spanish style roof tile, so all is good.
>>61728227
>not wanting people to know that you have a Tesla roof
I guarantee you that at least 90% of their sales will be the distinct looking ones.
In fat Tesla is making a mistake by not making them more different.
>>61728260
I wouldn't mind if it was obvious that it was solar, just not ugly looking singles - shingles were a shit idea well before elon made them solar.
>>61724953
20 dollars a square foot is expensive. Regular roof shingles are 2 dollars a square foot.
>>61728039
That not even what he is trying to argue you fucking mongoloid, the .gif is to preemptive action to fight when conventional roofing companies claim that solar roofing is weaker.
>>61728039
HURR DURR ELON MADE AN ADVANCED TYPE OF TILE THAT WON'T BREAK IF SOMETHING LIKE BIG CHUNKS OF HALE DROPS ON IT.
MY MORE EXPENSIVE, VIRTUALLY USELESS(directly compared to those tiles), UGLY AS SHIT OUTDATED DESIGNED TERRACOTA (fucking lol) TILES ARE VASTLY SUPERIOR BECAUSE MY FRAGILE EGO JUST WENT FULL VAGINA ON ME, SO I WILL CALL ELON A CON ARTIST! HA!
You fucking stupid romanian, go back to milking some rich gypsy's dick because sadly, they have more brain than you do apparently.
Pic: >>>>>>>>you right now
How does this hold up against ping pong ball sized hail?
Is this only designed for the westcoast?
>>61728363
Structural weakness is the lesser of the issues this meme has. Roofing companies will ally with conventional solar panel companies and boom!, down the drain Elon's meme roofing go :^)
>>61725656
Why is Europe so superior to America?
>>61728428
Older culture.
>>61728424
Elon Musk comes up with something new and quite revolutionary (for any of you retarded low end life fucks who will ask: It's cheaper to get his solution than regular tiles), /g/ is like "TERRY WOULD'VE DONE IT BETTER".
Fuck off.
>>61728444
>It's cheaper to get his solution than regular tiles
No it's not. Tesla tiles are 20 dollars a sq ft.. Asphalt shingles are 4 dollars a sq ft.
>>61728444
>new
>revolutionary
>implying
Elon Musk comes up with recycled meme, cystal-bead-tier "innovations" to con retards like you, and it always work!
>>61728471
It's even worse than that. The actual shingles by themselves are only 87 CENTS per square foot. Only once you factor in the labor does it become 4 dollars per sq ft.
https://www.homewyse.com/services/cost_to_install_asphalt_shingle_roof.html
>>61724917
I want Musktards to go back to >>>/r/eddit
>>61728471
Who buys asphalt shingles post 1975? Nigger, did you see how fast they deteriorate? If you live in an area in which it usually rains, you'll literally have to change the tiles in under 1 year. Shit, if you went for the cheaper variant, you could look at 6 months at best.
>>61728495
I don't understand, why do you guys keep saying it's shit and useless without actually explaining why. It's like you literally love to suck dick.
>>61728039
Shit , you might really be retarded
how much snow can it handle? oh right...
>buying shit from a con artist
>>61728508
THIS POST TRIGGERS TESLAFAGS
>>61728520
>Who buys asphalt shingles post 1975
I don't know, fucking everybody? We living in the same country?
>did you see how fast they deteriorate
Most of them have 30 year, or sometimes even lifetime warranties my duder. Look, even if you don't like asphalt shingles, shingles of other materials are still vastly cheaper than these solar roof tiles.
>>61728520
>Who buys asphalt shingles post 1975
can i get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
almost everyone
>>61728520
I don't understand why do you morons blindly keep saying it's "new", "revolutionary", "efficient" and spewing Tesla PowerPoint slide data without actually proving it. It's like you literally love to suck Elon Musk's dick.
>>61728520
you're really out of touch dude. pretty much every regular house and mcmansion uses asphalt shingles. and no they don't only last a year due to rain.
>>61728537
this
>>61728535
They have tiny snow wipers built in
>>61728533
No, but I'm convinced that you are.
>>61728611
topkek
>>61728520
going on lowes these shingles have lifetime warranties and the first option is 75 cents per sq foot
>>61724972
That amount of mechanical resitance is unncecessary.
Now show me the long term chemical resistance and stability of these long term.
>>61728323
There's a difference between these retard and not shit tiles are not $2 /sft unless you're in a major city around here it's easily 10-15/ft
>>61728613
Jesus you just check mated the fuck out of him how will he ever recover from this
>>61728785
and does the 20 dollars per sq ft for the tesla tiles include labor and installation?
>>61725024
If you don't still have energy hooked up you're just retarded so I'm gonna go ahead and forget your post exists
>>61728819
I don't know, don't care either I'm not shilling for them.
Does the $2 per sft include labor and installation?
The $10-15 doesn't.
Source: there's 3 bundles sitting in my back yard right now
>>61725736
>>61725764
>>61728781
>>61728842
An anon already posted a link, Ill post it again
https://www.homewyse.com/services/cost_to_install_asphalt_shingle_roof.html
This gives you the avg prices for installing a shingle roof. It's from 3 to 4 dollars including materials, labor, tools and supplies
>>61727788
Literally googled "Trump against clean energy":
http://fortune.com/2017/03/28/donald-trump-climate-change-executive-order-clean-energy-policy-environment/
31% cut to EPA sounds good enough for you or should I dig up actual statements?
>>61728781
they come with a 30 year warranty
>>61725788
>Solar panels don't last much longer than 10 years
Why would you lie like that on the Internet?
My panels have a 25 year manufacturers warranty that guarantees no lower than a 20% production drop (aka: 100w to 80w) or they're replaced.
NASA has one of their original prototype cells in a vacuum sealed glass bell, and it's still making power (at a reduced rate) to this day.
>>61724972
>Chinkshit terra-cotta soldiers BTFO
>>61728887
BUT THOSE ARENT SOLAR FREAKIN TILES YOU DUMBFUCK
WHY YOU PEOPLE KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST INNOVATION AND ECOLOGY?
>>61728842
>>61728842
Tesla shills btfo
>>61724948
And it lasts 10-20 years so for the up front costs you get a free or net posative roof. Sounds like a deal for non poors.
>>61729274
Fuck, meant >>61728887
>>61724917
>solar freaking roofs
No thanks.
>>61725350
but they are reusable you dipshit
>>61729297
People put solar panels on their roofs all the time. This is just integrating it into the roof rather than adding it to the roof. Comparing it to that road project is retarded.
>>61724969
I have no doubt they are selling them at loss, they'll make their money back on the shit you need to install with them however. Batteries and etc.
>>61728843
Another non-issue.
>>61724917
Do they have to be blue?
>>61729350
they are blue from bird camera
from street level you wouldn't even know they have solar cells
>>61727543
Buy old rundown house that needs a new roof.
>Save lots of money on purchase price.
>Put that momey saved towards tesla roof.
>Pays for the difference between regular and tesla roof in 10 years.
>...
>Profit?
>>61727719
>and he's advocating against clean energy
Not really. He is advocating for the cheapest energy where ever that may come from. Once renuables get to be cheaper, sans-subsidies, he would be for them.
>>61727870
Regular panels either go on top of regular roof (extra cost) or need separate space in your yard.
These panels are your roof thus saving cost.
>>61729435
>Implying that rundown houses have roofing problems only
No, in reality it would be cheaper to install shingles and save the rest of the money for other reparations
>>61729515
Shut the fuck up. It's another retarded idea from scam artist musk.
>>61729065
He said long term.
Also the use of Li battery backup in house is beyond irresponsible. Solar for the entirety of peak load good. Suggesting solar be used for base load with the use of fucking Li batteries is shit for the environment and uneconomical.
>>61729515
>These panels are your roof thus saving cost.
So that's the only thing going for them, then? Because as source of energy they are expensive and very inefficient.
>>61724917
>20x the cost of an asphalt shingle roof
>Less potential energy than a traditional roof panel array
>significantly more expensive than a traditional roof panel array
>In the northern hemisphere only south-facing tiles wouldn't be a complete waste of money
This shit will be gangbusters for the wealthy, but most of us won't ever have anything like this.
>buy laminated glass
>buy solar cells
profit
>>61729635
Shh, don't antagonize the drooling Musktards or they might throw a tantrum.
>>61724917
If you have something better than standard shingles, it makes a lot more sense.
>>61725065
Quality post right here
>>61729708
That's not worth it anymore.
You can get a whole mono for $1.25 per watt
And I found bare 156mm monos for around $0.60 per watt.
Unless you can get glass and adhesives for free, and your time is worthless, nah
>>61725732
Correct.
>>61728565
this
>>61728887
They show on their own site it is more expensive than asphalt. The only ones they claim to be cheaper than were slate etc.
>>61729331
One thing you are forgetting is that conventional solar panels protect the existing roof from damage, and introduce an air-gap that keeps the roof cooler.
>>61729251
i could buy the cheap roof and use the monthly savings to pay my energy bill, or i can finance the expensive roof and still have to pay on a loan and then moderate energy bill monthly.
>innovation
solar is cost effective for those with the capital, like the companies that provide the power in the first place.
>>61729065
which is voided the first time you have a gust of wind over 45mph.
>>61727897
The guy is making a joke and you have to bring up the last election
>>61725214
That's a stupid fucking reason.
yes yes take out your loan for an expensive solar roof...
what they won't tell you is, it won't cover the full electric needs of most single family dwellings in north america. you find that out when your first loan payment goes out and you still get an energy bill.
>>61726003
you don't get yearly tax deductions for it, you get a one time tax incentive that wouldn't even cover the cost of one panel.
>>61729435
Paying for itself assumes that these tiles are as good at insulating as traditional roofing material.
>>61729251
Solar roofs are gay
>>61730386
no u
>>61728096
Solar, Wind and 'battery' is the way of the future.
Geothermal is actually dangerous no matter what reddit might say - yes there is a mother-fucking-shit-load of energy in the core, but letting unscrupulous corporations access too to that is a 100% recipe for disaster.
Nuclear isn't bad but suffers in that wind up and down time is monstrously large, so unless you have a a VERY predictable load, it's actually little bit shit - not to mention to waste situation.
However, BIG Nuclear with offset power running a Hydrogen generation plant is a great idea. Battery Electric cars are the future but it's won't work for trucks, Hydrogen is their future. (and Taxis, Police Cars, Ambulances, etc - NOT fire trucks though, they're better off battery)
The reason for this is that hydrogen leaks like crazy, it's small and LOVES to get out like a fucking 2 year old child on a mission. So Hydrogen is useless for the masses since a tank that is light enough for a car will leak out all its fuel within a fortnight (maybe a week!) Such a thing isn't an issue for vehicles that use most/all of their fuel in a day and require fast refills.
For the general public though, hydrogen vehicles are a no-go (outside of a possible standard electrical plug in the boot/trunk with a standard sized hydrogen generator so they can rented, much like trailer, for long journey trips - the average office worker can have a battery vehicle for the regular commute which does 300 miles, but then rent a hydrogen generator to extend to as much mileage as he has the cash for.
In any case, until usage increases massively along a very predictable path or hydrogen economy starts (Sweden requires it by ~2030 anyway) we're not going to see more nuclear. Because it's annoying to work around.
How much would it cost to tile an average suburban home?
>>61730490
Simply create massive air filters to use up excess power from nuclear plants when at < peak usage
>spend 2000 dollars having someone install shitty tiles that I'll have to replace in a year
Or
>spend 1000 dollars on advanced ALIEN technology and get free energy and won't ever have to replace them
Hmmmm
>>61724917
>caring what the top of your roof looks like.
Don't forget to also paint the underside of your house.
>>61730490
>(and Taxis, Police Cars, Ambulances, etc - NOT fire trucks though, they're better off battery)
I think half our taxi's are already battery powered now.
>>61725650
What?
I live in the south and according to google themselves it takes 8 years approx for my house
0 trees, perfect sun
It would be great on my house regardless, 8 years is a while but why not invest long term for this case, but just looking around at other parts of the nation it can take up to a hundred years to pay off because of horrible solar conditions. It's really not for everywhere, but where it is you should use it.
>>61730564
you live in a world of denial and delusion don't you.
>>61730639
Tell me where you can get 2x ROI over 30 years with as low of risk as the cost of electricity. Go ahead. I'll wait.
>>61725237
They are monopolies. monopolies innovate because they have a secure income stream
>>61725993
Elon isn't building anything useful to get into space. He is just taking known designs that other people conceptualized but deemed not economically feasible to actually build.
>>61730958
also he's probably gay lol
>>61724917
what a meme
>mfw they use coal power to produce these cells
>mfw they think it'll replace coal rather than supplement it and allow us to use less and use it for longer
I think they are worth it
they are much more durable too
>>61730792
>low risk
Energy costs are extremely volatile. What are you talking about? Did you miss the price of oil tanking so hard that the entire Venezuelan economy collapsed? Are you ignoring the ongoing research into fusion reactors?
>I'm not going to use a world saving technology UNLESS it looks cool.
Apple ruined Earth.
>>61726854
So you have no fucking idea about what's the Duck Curve, great.
In 2013, the power demand during the day was almost flat and later when people got back from work and turn out the TV, lights, etc it increased a little bit.
Now, during the day a lot of demand is covered by solar panels and then, in a matter of a couple of hours, when the Sun sets, the solar production falls and thus the production ramp is much steeper.
The problem is that most power plants need a lot of hours to go from being turned off to full power. That means that unless you make a really good prediction of how the demand curve will be that particular day and plan your power plants accordingly, you will end up easily producing more than needed (which fucks up the quality of the supply) or less than needed (which means massive power outages).
>>61728031
24 hours.
>>61728007
I think this would have been one of the first scenarios the development team would have thought of when designing these things.
Isn't the entire point of a solar roof just to cover a particular market segment? It seems like it would appeal to both old-guard rich people who think solar panels are ugly, and to people living in HOA neighborhoods where solar panels are banned for whatever retarded reason.
They are highly unlikely to revolutionize solar adoption, but it's covering gaps so who cares? If it's not as cheap or efficient, get south-facing panels instead and let jackoffs pay more for less efficient outcomes.
>>61725010
Cut down your trees bro. Save the enivornment.
>>61732383
the entire point is for CIA niggers to prop up Musk so the world continues to believe we are still at technological forefront. Lots of people have had the solar tile idea and they usually stop going with it after they learn more about solar panel efficiency.
>>61724917
solar shingles are not a new idea
they look great but they're disregarded because they have very low efficiency
I'd wait for actual specification and technical reviews before splurging purchasing
>>61733005
It would be better for them to loan money to developing countries so they could put solar roofs on every building. Then when they can't pay they owe us their oil and other natural resources.
>>61733087
shut up your liberal ideas always result in fucking failure. ya lets give the backwards retard people more energy and food what could go wrong.
>>61733104
Uh did you read the second half of my plan?
>>61733128
so just take it in the first place why even pretend to have pretenses of compassion.
>>61726318
>The nips don't have the safety culture we do
>trusting your safety to mere culture
What could possibly go wrong?
>>61724917
SOLAR
FREAKING
HOUSES
>>61733214
>>61724953
$28 per square foot in canada
Average home is 1500 square feet of roofing, that's $42,000
That's not cheap. That's incredibly expensive. Regular solar panels plus labor, installation, batteries, parts, would be on the order of $10,000 - $25,000 canadian. That's basically half the price of this solar roofing outright.
>>61733354
So cover a chunk of your sunniest spots with solar panels, put the power savings into a savings acct until you can afford to go full solar, you stupid Canadian. You faggots get free Healthcare and now you want free solar panels too?
>>61724917
lol needing aesthetic to harvest energy from sun
>I care what my roof looks like
>>61726318
Japan has the most modern earthquake safety measures in the fucking world. Fukushima was a 9 earthquake in Richter scale wich happens once every 300 years. Its power plant walls could resist tons of TNT explosions.
They have protection measures for earthquakes, typhoons and tsunamis.
If US is so good why the hell New Orleans got fucked up by Katrina?
>>61727312
yeah, im pretty sure my street puts out more than 15 mrem from the natural radioactive minerals in the aggregate.
the limitation is due to safety. the larger a reactor gets the more dangerous it becomes
>>61733687
it would take a decade to see any kind of savings from that initial $42,000, even then the odds of it producing enough power to cover your full energy usage on your average single family home are very low so you're still paying for some power. not to mention batteries, wiring in inverters and panels. also in that decade it takes to pay off your panels their efficiency will have dropped meaning over time you're paying for more and more power.
solar is trendy on a residential scale but green energy is more cost effective from the top to the bottom, not from the end of the grid back.
>>61733896
this is the conclusion I came to when I researched doing solar panels for my parents house.
>>61727364
inert gases are superior to water, especially helium.
>good thermal capacity
>largely non-reactive
>does not become radioactive upon exposure to radiation
a couple more options are molten salt and molten lead
>>61727543
>$20,000 for a new roof
We just had a new roof put on our house for around $4,000, and that was with quality shingles and professional installation.
>>61734059
i had a new one put on for $7,800 on a larger 2 story home. these numbers are pulled out of someone's ass.
Does the roof come with any guarantee of full and truthful disclosure? Do they tell you that the panels will lose 5-10% efficiency each year? Do they tell you that the roof will remain intact and prevent water leakage for 25 years but that the solar efficiency of the roof will be reduced to around 33% after 10 years?
>>61734088
not really. cost of labor can vary wildly. basically you got ripped off.
>>61729322
Rare-earth metals are quite difficult to recycle.
>>61734179
or the materials were more expensive, and the pitch of my roof required more of them. i'm actually not clueless you sperg.
>>61730490
>not to mention to waste situation
The waste situation isn't even as a bad as people have been led to believe. It's safely stored now, and can be reprocessed in the future for new fuel. Burial is last century, and my pic related >>61728096 is a breeder reactor that produces no waste.
>>61730806
This. That's why Bell Labs were great.
>>61730806
Korea has to compete with other Asian manufacturers. Dunno how you figure any Korean company has a monopoly.
>>61734165
no it's going to come as a shock to the people $20,000 into the $50,000 loan that their power bill is continually raising.
>>61733198
Safety culture is important. But we also have NRC monitors at every plant just in case the culture breaks down. Try harder greenie.
>>61733795
see >>61726639
>If US is so good why the hell New Orleans got fucked up by Katrina?
same fucking reason literally.
>>61733845
Are you in the nuclear industry/nuclear Navy?
>>61734546
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol
>Americans using heavy metal solar roof tiles
>Getting mad and losing teeth due to lead and cadmium poisoning
tha..thanks elon musk
>>61733896
I didn't say cover your whole roof, I said one spot, so that 42,000 is meaningless to me
No one thinks that covering your roof will fully take care of all your electricity bills, but it will definitely take a chunk out of it, which makes them pay for themselves
>but I have to pay for wiring and installation and inverters
Yea, things cost money to get done properly, I know, it suckw
>my solar panels will become obsolete after some time
So just replace them with newer ones in the future, I'm sure if you get some top of the line panels now they're gonna be pretty fucking good for a decade
Any more excuses to bitch about, Canadian?
>>61734747
That's not a monopoly, that's corruption. Those are two different things. Korea has to compete with other Asian manufacturers still. They don't magically stop existing because of corruption.
>>61729038
>links to commentary
>literally nowhere does it say he's against renewables
Cutting subsidies and dictates does not make him anti-renewable, even if his attempts are misguided.
also >>61727759
>>61734803
>That's not a monopoly, that's corruption.
They go hand-in-hand.
>Korea has to compete with other Asian manufacturers still.
Except their government gives them certain advantages for their patronage.
>>61726167
its the waste that is bad. they just dump it underground and it sits there until the containers break and the shit in them leaks out. some memers will say that that waste will get used but it happens very rarely.
>>61734959
Corruption may lead to a monopoly in some cases, but Korean companies have to compete in markets outside the governance of Korea, where the corruption does not matter. For example, the American market is six times larger than the Korean one, and that's ignoring the more accessible Asian markets. There is no monopoly, you are plainly wrong.
>>61728669
Liftetime is a marketing buzzword in the roofing industry. Those shingles will last 15-25 years tops and will need immediately replaced if hit with abnormally large hail. Asphalt becomes brittle over time.
>>61724917
Honestly, I think the USA should start with warm water solar and insulating its houses.
It'll help more.
>>61725240
Nice try goldberg, but green is the only solution to jewish energy companies.
>>61735040
How shitty are those then?
That's worse than even traditionally baked brick tiles which themselves are outdated.
>>61735209
>and insulating its houses.
I can't think of the faintest reason why you'd believe our houses aren't insulated.
>>61735301
They think we live in straw huts
>>61735004
If only it were that simple.
>>61735301
Because I've been in the USA. Even in more upper middle class places the houses aren't insulated well, never mind the many poorer places.
>>61735390
Did your hosts tear the sheetrock off the walls as a gesture of hospitality? How did you inspect the quality of the insulation?
>>61735427
Top fucking kek
>>61735427
Walls and windows were cold, gas / wood fires were heating at astounding consumption rates, oil heatings were hot, AC had to be running in every second room or be gigantic and produce ass cold air streams...
Oh, I don't know how bad it is in exact numbers, but it is bad.
>>61735476
That must have been a very old home.
>>61726107
I have read that the Tesla tiles will be able to have warming feature like car rear windows do. So they will be able to defrost during snow/winter.
>>61735500
"A" home? I've been in like 30 homes, a few luxury homes, half a dozen skyscrapers, many dozen businesses and offices, about twelve hotels and motels. Anyhow, a decent number of places.
It's not third worlds "wind is blowing in through cracks" type bad, but modern insulation is something else. You could still save a whole lot of energy anyhow.
Why do you guys get so butthurt Elon-man makes cool shit?
>inb4 it's not cool
Why would you be butthurt Elon-man makes stuff that is not cool, then?
Why must you doubt and poke pseudo problems at this?
>>61729378
so they have to be blue.
I'm out. Blue is ugly.
>>61735734
good riddance
fucking blue haters
>>61735762
Calm down musk.
>>61727965
>eh eh ehh
>uh u huh umm
>anddd eh eh but
>uhhhhhhhhh
Good god I don't give a shit what this eevblog nerd has to say. Listening to him stutter on for 18 minutes didn't convince me anything was "debunked" it just pissed me off at this fag talking.
>>61725663
>I dont understand property value
You're never going to be able to afford to own a home though, so I guess that's okay.
>>61735762
>>61729378
Wait it seriously has to be that color?
What the fuck, no one is going to adopt this ugly shit.
>>61726738
Or it refactors. Imagine everyone in America providing power for each other. Hell imagine sunny states giving or selling their power to other states.
The energy company would become the managers of infrastructure and repair services.
>>61729345
Just because you don't have to deal with it doesn't mean that other people don't.
Do you really think that everyone experiences life the way you do in your 10 mile little cage?
>>61737798
No you fucking idiot, the lighting makes them look blue from above. They look black from street level.
>>61730164
What you're forgetting is literally no-one buys a solar panel for those reasons.
>>61726607
>you need bright direct sunlight for output
Retard.
>>61725214
Ain't nothin like a roaring 6 liter v8 in a Chevy truck roam around weed country in, fuck
>>61729594
>Also the use of Li battery backup in house is beyond irresponsible.
Funny, cause I think a two car integral garage loaded with two large gasoline tanks is extremely dangerous and honestly should be banned.
>>61725065
Loaded near instantaneously for me. Are you on dial-up or something?
>>61725732
>for base load
How about for everything? Solar is fine, but it's really setting a low bar for the future. Nuclear could bring everyone's power prices down to those of Washington State (which is run off hydroelectrics for the most part) - or even lower.
Cheap power is one of the things that has huge potential to grow our economy, and to get us closer to exploring the solar system.
>>61726480
>>61726577
>>61726706
>>61727312
>>61733845
Keep in mind Westinghouse really screwed up lately and the mistake hit right around the time that cheap natural gas started.
Westinghouse for over a decade developed modular nuclear power plants where a factory in say ohio could make a module and one in florida. Then they are plugged together on site like a LEGO. The media actually used the word lego in the old press releases.
Guess what happened?
The modules didn't fit together and required thousands of hours of plumbing and electrical changes to get to fit. Making it worse is while most of the pipes are standard, many are not and can't be fixed easily on site, because they are special for dealing with radioactive waste.
Result:
Westinghouse nuclear went bankrupt!
"i-it saves moneh"
north Europe
Always cloudy and raining
>"B-b-but it's good for the environment"
99.0% of energy is green renewable energy where i live
>"I-i-its useful in sunny places yurofag"
Africa? If they afforded it they wouldn't have any problems
>>61738880
>Always cloudy and raining
Then get a supplemental wind mill.
I think you guys call them gusty windy blowies.
>>61724953
I just had a new roof put on a 3400 sqft roof. Impact resistant asphalt shingles, $10k. It should last for 20 years. How is Tesla roof even remotely cheaper?
>>61738937
>How is Tesla roof even remotely cheaper?
What are your power bills going to be for the next 20 years?
>>61728428
you'll get there in 1500 years
>>61724917
Considering how many large bodies of water we have tidal energy is great.
Best forms of energy:
1) Geothermal
2) Tidal/Nuclear
3) Solar
4) Non-Renewable
5) Wind
>>61725656
You can have this in America and freedom, it just costs more money!
>>61738961
How is Geothermal better than hydro power?
>>61738905
Why tho? It would cost me more than what it saves me, not aesthetically pleasing and probably loud
>>61738954
Not enough to offset the $70k extra I would have to spend on the roof. Electricity here in the Midwest is cheap.
>>61726177
Germans have proven time and time again that they will let misguided ideology guide their actions instead of reason.
>>61726507
The designs are fine, which is why the core melted but the reactor didn't explode like Chernobyl (hydrogen explosions are different).
The problem was TEPCO cutting corners, atrocious disaster preparation, and the usual culture and gentleman's agreements that are found in Japanese business, which led to no actions being taken to deal with the known shortcomings of the plant. Airlines had a similar problem with Japan and Korea in the 60s to 80s.
>>61726639
>Water is a retarded coolant
Oh fuck better tell that to all those engineers designing reactors.
>Fukushima
>Water moderated
Okay.
>>61727825
Because you use it with your TESLA BRAND TESLA TESLA BRAND POWERWALL and it's made by Musk.
>>61728096
Yet another reason why the Clintons should be drawn and quartered.
>>61728611
That doesn't solve cloud cover or the shortened days at high latitudes.
>>61729635
If you don't gimbal your entire house you're not even human.
>>61730490
Hydrogen sucks for transportation, which is why every company working on alternative fuels is going electric. Ask /o/ about it for a detailed quick rundown on why Hydrogen was a tiny flash in the pan.
>>61739043
landlocked nations can obtain good renewable energy without having dumbasses start screaming when nuclear is proposed.
>>61733687
Or buy normal panels and AGM batteries for a tiny fraction of the cost, and save your money by not throwing it at Musk brand meme shit.
>>61737982
A 10 mile cage would not be considered small anon
>>61735604
Because he usually takes existing technology and fags it up by making outlandish claims to attract the most obnoxious hipsters imaginable, who then proceed to think they're geniuses since they can recite what Musk belches out.
>>61738961
How is tidal at all equal to nuclear?
How is geothermal better than nuclear?
Rimac >>>>>>>>>>>Tesla
>>61734708
nah, I just find nuclear energy interesting for both the physics and in human nature.
had the plant here not been decommissioned i might have actually considered it as a career
>shamefully ugly gas plant
>building is now a federal waste storage site because why let a perfectly good reactor pit go to waste
>>61738798
Also general dynamics realized there was more profit in military hardware than civilian power stations.
And GE. no need to say more
>>61739518
*cackling intensifies*
>>61739432
the designs were fine 50 years ago. consider that had fukushima been using LS-VHTRs it is unlikely any problems would have occurred. the need to manually pump coolant is added complexity. the need for backup generators to run said pumps during a SCRAM is even more added complexity.
you are correct that TEPCO is ultimately to blame for being a greedy whore. you cant expect anything better from humans. It's pretty much in our nature to be dumb shits from time to time...
>>61739447
They are aware. why do you think they are designing reactors that use any number of things other than water.
Basically water is a great coolant BUT it has to be under pressure since water vapor is a terrible coolant. under pressure = bad idea when the possible consequence is a radioactive boom (Chernobyl)
Water also works as a moderator, which could be called added benefit more than anything.
And of course water is cheap and abundant.
Another reason water is terrible is corrosion. to prevent corrosion at the high temperatures shit has to be plated in special alloys (zircaloy). Problem with those alloys is that above a certain temperature they cause the water to decompose. if steam weren't explosive enough without having to deal with hydrogen.
>>61730284
Depends on where you live. Up here in Canuckistan, covering the whole roof in panels gives us free electricity for 3-5 months of the year (and we get paid for selling it back to the grid).
That's enough to cut the bill by half to 2/3rds on an average sized house. Increase the roof area to 20m^2 or 25m^2 and you can probably power it completely off solar.
From an investment point of view, it's not worth it for getting a return on the money in a financial sense.
From a preparedness point of view, nothing compares to being able to power all of your shit without any reliance on the grid or the government.