/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>61707333
wow, nice trips man, mind if I check them?

>>61707356
Nah not at all.

how does ram work?
Does more gb of ram=faster ram?

>>61707399
Dude. Just download more RAM.

>asus b350m-a mobo
>ryzen 1600
>was using a wifu usb dongle that would get me 15mbps
>buy cat5e cable today
>connect with it
>6mbps

>use the cable on a laptop to see if its faulty
>15mbps

is my ethernet port broken on mobo?
what do

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IT'S THURSDAY, WHERE ARE MY THREADRIPPER REVIEWS

REEEE

>>61707501
Update your ethernet drivers

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Will this work?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nx26WX
Mainly for gaming and 3D rendering
>gtx 1050ti til the gpu pricing isn't shit

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>>61707333
Reminder that current motherboards are not compatible with Coffee Lake. This tweet was just deleted btw

>>61707551
MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon for Intel NIC and Realtek ALC1220
EVGA G3 550W / Super Flower Leadex II 650W
Wifi AC

>>61707547
>only one titan xp
Spotted the poorfag.

>>61707554
DELET

>>61707603

Heheh, if I were going to do crossfire stuff I would prob buy multiple 1080's as they are nearly as good for like half the price.

What's the best Ryzen mATX board?

>>61707554
>compatibilble

>>61707785
MSI B350M Mortar
MSI B350M Mortar Arctic
MSI B350M Gaming Pro
Gigabyte GA-AB350M Gaming 3
Asrock AB350M Pro4

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>>61707333
Hey fellas,
Already have a 6600k/1060 build, making some decent money now and not really much else to spend it on so looking to buy right into the tempered glass/rgb jew. I have 2 1440/144hz screens, only use one at a time, is there anything in this build I'm wasting my money on?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RmBs4C

>>61707961
read the OP. Intel has faceplanted since Ryzen was released.

>>61707969
I remember the OP said that 7700k was best if you were looking for 144hz. Will a 1600/x do?

>>61707988
At 1440p, everything will have trouble with 144hz.

>>61708004
I'm not autistic about it, as long as it never dropped below 100 then it wouldn't matter. Also I'm gonna wait™ for Vega to drop so I can see which is a better value proposition.

>>61708022
Should be fine the, a 1600/x will play most games around 120 fps

>>61707961
If you have a 6600k why are you getting a new mobo?

>>61708060
I'm going to sell my build as a whole to a friend.

One thing I'm not sure on is the case, a tossup between it and the enthoo evolv tg. Anyone got any experience building in either?

Do not buy kraken AIO's.
Bought one brand new and the pump failed within 5 months

What do you guys think of this setup?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BJTZbj

Is the power supply enough? Could I get away with a cheaper motherboard?

And what case would you suggest for all of that to fit?

>>61708078
that case has a shitty front airflow
and if you're going to buy a 150+ case might as well wait for Cooler Master HAF H500P

>>61708193
>Intel
read the OP

>>61708193
a good z170 are usually cheaper than a z270
a case is subjective in terms of looks
and also get a ryzen at this point Intel is bretty much fucked

How snuggly does the Ryzen 1400 achieve 4GHz? Got a good B350 & decent compatible cooler, so thermals for it shouldn't be a problem, but just curious at the moment, as I'm planning on buying it tomorrow with some other stuff.
Also, to any Aussie anons, what's a good site that has cases, but doesn't charge a fuck ton of didgeridoos for shipping? So far I'm having to hope that Austin have a case in stock from my local branch.

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My homeserver's kicking the bucket so I have to replace the processor. I'm thinking of some flavor of Xeon E3.

Would you have suggestions for a good LGA 1155 mobo? I need Gigabit Ethernet and AMT KMS for remote control but that's about it.

>>61708308
>AMT KMS for remote control
man, what a fucking cocksucker you are
why not user proper remote management? why use this fucking cancer?

>>61708316
Because I'm a fucking newfag. I was using an old Athlon 4000 I had lying in a closet until now, this is the first dedicated build I'm making for it.

What should I use instead?

>>61708304
I'm an ausfag, I normally buy my cases from Kogan. Prices are a bit higher than pccasegear outright but shipping is super cheap, normaly 10-12 compared to pccasegear's 80-90, but it would depend where you live.

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Best SSDs for medium price?
Looking in the $50-60 price range. 120 is fine but 240 is obviously welcome too.

>>61708256
>>61708275
What's wrong with Intel though? My main use will be gaming, and according to the interbutts, it is better suited for that role that the Ryzen 7 1700

>Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
Good lord, I figured an extra $50 but the prices are literally double their MSRP. How long should I expect to wait for reasonable prices? I really hope I don't have to wait until 2018 to build a new computer that isn't shit

I actually bought a 1080 gaming X for 570€
Then I felt really bad.

When will AMD surpass Intel's SC performance? They could literally corner the market by making Intel's existence pointless. Now they're letting them get away with single core monopoly while focusing purely on multicore shit.

>>61708854
Hopefully the process shrink from Zen2 will address some of the single-core Ryzen lacks.

What should i look for in a screen? My graphics card will be an rx 580 8gb

>>61708663
I have been waiting for a month now, and its only get worse.
I only want to buy one RX580.

Fucking cryptoshit and its fucking miners.

is this overkill for a windows multipoint (multiseat) server?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PY74LD

it would be running from 10 to 20 clients at the same time (windows 7, light browser at most)

>>61709186
oh and in text format

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2640 2.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($404.33 @ Amazon)
CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2640 2.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($404.33 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U9S 46.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($58.25 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U9S 46.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($58.25 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - Z9PA-D8 ATX Dual-CPU LGA2011 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($472.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($334.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba - 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($77.34 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair - 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Wired Network Adapter: Asus - XG-C100C PCI-Express x1 100 Mbps/1 Gbps/10 Gbps Network Adapter ($99.99 @ B&H)
Total: $2000.46

>>61708572
>What's wrong with Intel though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k

A long history of breaking contracts, bribery and hating consumers.

>>61709295
They've even been sued by the fucking US government over their business practices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NpCTSq2Mw

>>61707961
spare your money for a miata instead of gaymin'

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>>61707333
>they took the 7700k out of the OP for 144hz
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

they mad
wait for zen+ boys then maybe it'll be a good choice for 144

I'm fell for the mini ITX meme a while back, so I'm going to do a CPU, RAM, MOBO CASE upgrade.
Is this a good buy?
R7 1700
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4
Team Dark 16GB DDR4-3000
NZXT S340

I don't game much but I have a R9 270X with is enough for me.

>>61709617
Pajeet shill gotta earn his rupees

>>61709617
>Buying intel right now
WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND WOULD SUGGESTING A FELLOW ANON TO BUY A FUCKING DEAD SOCKET RIGHT NOW
ARE YOU RETARDED?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3213387/computers/facepalm-intels-upcoming-coffee-lake-cpus-wont-work-with-todays-motherboards.html

>>61709767
Because it's the best chip for 144hz if you're buying right now? Everything else is objectively inferior.
For 60hz a $100 ryzen is fine

>>61709782
And became obsolete in less than a year?
Why would I wasted my money for something like that?

I rather wait for Coffeelake than buying a dead socket.

>>61709814
they're not obsolete they'll be outperforming everything else for 144hz for another 5 years until the single thread perf falls behind

>>61709836
>they'll be outperforming everything else for 144hz for another 5 years
Until coffelake came out you dumb fuck and its not 5 years.
Like I said, dead socket.

>>61709712
Looks good.

It's so hard finding a case. I want motherboard to be laying down so GPU isn't at the mercy of gravity. Only ones I've found are Corsair Air 540 but it seems to be unnecessarily huge and costs quite a bit and the smaller 240 has problems fitting the GPU. Other than those two there's just Thermaltake's Core V21 that has what I'm looking for and at reasonable price.

There are few standard cases with vertical mounting but those are pricey and I'd need a riser cable that brings the costs even higher.

>>61709432
I already drive a 350z.

>>61709921
What about the haf xb? I love that thing. You should just go itx most of the it cases are like that and 2 DIMM and one pcie is all a gaymer needs

>>61709186
>>61709200
pls 2 help

>>61710392
Why not just get a single Ryzen Threadripper chip? 12 cores, 24 threads, same price as both of those 6 core Xeons.

>>61708896
Freesync

Which gaymen monitors are worth getting currently?

No curveshit

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Will TR 1950X work on Windows 7?

>>61709617
>buying a housefire CPU
>buying a dead socket
>buying a 4 core CPU for 330$
>paying more for boards that can overclock

>>61711229
It will work, but it might need some workaround to get updates

>>61710442
can those work on server motherboards? i'd like more than 64 gigs of ram if i'm going to be running +10 windows 7 virtual machines

>>61711302
Threadripper supports 128GB

>>61711326
nigger that doesnt answer my question. also all available motherboard im seeing support up to 64

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>>61707333

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rdCCRG

How's this look? I know the RAM is shit but it's part of a combo deal. I want to go with 32GB anyway, so I plan on getting a samsung b-die kit later.

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How did I do guys?

>>61711229
pretty but in all her pictures she stares into the void like dumb women

>>61711355
>no threadripper
It's shit, brah

>>61711355
get supernoca g2/g3 instead.
is that ram from mobo's QVL? because it should.

>>61711336
Every X399 board I have seen supports 128GB

>>61711423
Yeah, I bought the supernova 650 G2, I forgot to change it. And yes, I've already built a similar pc for a friend and that rams works perfectly. I was more worried about the CPU/GPU combo, I'm not sure if I should've bought the ryzen 1700 or if the 1600 is enough.

>>61708854
The money is really in server/mainframe sales so that is their focus.

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>>61711494
for gayming just get r5 1600.

How long am I looking at waiting for a reasonably priced AM4 memeITX board?

>>61711351
>Seagate 3TB
Seems to be ST3000DM008, not the infamous ST3000DM001 so you should be fine.

You're planning to OC on the stock cooler?

I have a half problem. I really want to get that sweet phanteks smol case, and it's just 60€, but my current mother board is to bug 4 him, so I need a ITX.

Another problems is that I have an i5-4460, so upgrading and getting directly a new itx for that would be better, but I don't really have the money now.

I found a really cheap H97 or whatever for 30€ but its VGA and Ethernet are fucked. Could I just buy a USB 3.0 to Ethernet and go just fine or will it have fucking low speeds and shit?

>>61711670
Until desktop Raven Ridge Q1/Q2 next year

Yo guys do 144Hz monitors reduce tearing when a game is running at like 100fps?

I just want something responsive without tearing. Is G-sync the best solution?

>>61711684
I haven't decided on a cooler just yet. My plan was to see what sort of OC I could get on stock, and then choose my cooler from there.

>>61711695
PCIe Ethernet card

>>61711720
Higher refresh rate = less tearing at any framerate.

I'd argue any of the sync technologies are pointless with a refresh rate as high as 144Hz, there's barely any tearing.

>>61711768
apparently freesync/gsync make fps drops under your refresh rate less noticeable, so i'd say they're a must-have in case of 144hz monitors.

>>61711302
Threadripper supports quad channel memory (so 128GB) and uses the same socket as AMD's new Epyc server CPUs, so if you can find a 2 socket server motherboard, it'll work in it. But the motherboards meant for Threadripper are single socket boards

aren't Optiplexes the best choice poorfag build?
now they have 3rd gen i5/i7s

>>61711768
>>61711784
I was thinking I would only need to run games @ 60fps on a G-sync monitor to reap all the benefits of 144hz. It would be responsive and have no tearing. And it would be much easier to have games stay above 60fps, especially into the future.

>>61711768
I can still see it easily at 144 Hz

>>61711720
I would go with either one depending on if you want to use AMD or Nvidia GPUs. Maybe one day Nvidia will stop being dickheads and ungimp their cards and allow them to use FreeSync.

>>61711721
The stock cooler is already quite good, so you really need to go big like Noctua D15 / Cryorig R1 or at least a 240mm AIO to justify the upgrade

>>61711858
I already have the Nvidia card, need a monitor, so it would have to be G-sync. Does this logic make sense?
>>61711849

>>61711858
>I can still see it easily at 144 Hz
Sure, it's still there but its hardly worth losing sleep over like it is with a 60Hz display.

>>61711729
But where do I put my GPU then.
I just checked it, it's the H87N-WiFi mITX. It has double Ethernet port but none work, and the VGA is ded too, but if an USB 3.0 to Ethernet isn't bad at all, then I won't care. The WiFi works, tho, but I'd only use it when I'm on a LAN party or whatever.

>>61711871
Gotcha. I've read that the 1700s usually top out at 3.8GHz anyway, so it just depends on what voltage the chip is gonna need. Will likely go with the NH D15 eventually. Thanks for the advice!

>>61711372
>like dumb women
You mean dumb-acting women who will attempt to steal half of your net worth

>>61711713
but i already had to wait for these fucking r3's

>>61711932
Consider the Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT as well. Probably the best big air cooler at the moment

My local microcenter has an open box gtx 970 for $183. Should I go for it?

Having a hard time finding a current-gen gpu for a good price.

>>61712115
>not $183.5

>>61712155
kek

>>61712115
how much warranty, if 2 years just go for it

>>61712115
Yes, it performs like a 1060 but with less RAM.
You shouldn't get current gen GPUs if you are on a budget, always go for one or two lower. You could get a second handed 980ti for the price of a new 1060, and it performs like a 1070 but with less ram.

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>>61712197
You mean 1060 3GB. 1060 6GB is 980 level, anon

>>61712115
With warranty?
Yes.
Otherwise no.

>>61712115
Overpriced as hell for that card. You could be getting used 980 for that which is about 1060 level.

>>61711894
For me if I can notice it at all then it's a problem. This happens for me when I don't have vsync and the framerate exceeds 144 fps, instant tears in Overwatch and other titles. Some titles are worse than others it seems.

I got a brand new i7-6850k for $150. I'm thinking of just sticking it with for the 6 cores at a discounted price, and I can pick up this motherboard for $170 after rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128928

It feels like a decent compromise for number of cores at 6 with decent base clock speed and some overclock ability, and because of the low price that I got it for, it's still a better deal than trying to go with a Ryzen 1700. Is the higher 140 TDP really an issue?

>>61711883
Yes, if you have an Nvidia GPU then you're stuck with G-Sync unfortunately.

>>61712372
>Is the higher 140 TDP really an issue?
Why would it be?

>>61712372
If you can get a 6850k for that cheap, it is really worth the cash. The only downside honestly is your upgrade path is dead.

>>61712372
Fuck you BestBuy slave
>Is the higher 140 TDP really an issue?
Since you'll be overclocking anyway, absolutely not

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>>61712372
>I got a brand new i7-6850k for $150
No you didn't.

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>>61712415
I don't really care if it's a dead platform. By the time I want to upgrade, I'd really be looking for a new CPU+motherboard combo anyways. The maturity of X99 and that particular motherboard means I won't have any issues getting my 3200 RAM to work easily.
>>61712426
I took a 1 month temp job while in between finishing by grad program and starting my new job, and it was long enough to register for the program and get the discount. My pride and dignity was hurt for few weeks, but I'll live.
>>61712437
Okay.

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>>61712486
>those prices

>>61712486
Why not pay 50 dollars more for the 7700k?

You forgot the most important suggestion
>Used 2500k + Asus P8P67/Z68 Deluxe/-V Pro

>>61712538
>paying more to get the same processor with two less threads
???

>>61712538
I didn't want to get a 4-core processor in 2017, and although I might game a little bit, my job requires data analysis and some programs that would utilize all 6 cores important. The 7700k at that price with that motherboard is a really good deal, but work is more important.

>>61712265
>>61712190
Has the manufacturer warranty. Not sure on length but it may be the full 3 years.

>>61712197
>>61712277
980 ti looks to cost $300+ minimum
980 I can maybe get for $200 if lucky.

Really just wondering if the 970 is a good card.

>>61712580
cores*

>>61712486
>My pride and dignity was hurt for few weeks
Why? You should never feel you're lesser than the others just because of your perfectly fine job. If anything, I respect those who work in retail, especially tech. I would do the same thing if I can get that deal too.

>>61712572
>buying 2500k when g4560/g4600 exist
lmao

>>61712606
I worked in retail all of my undergrad, so it wasn't anything new. It just felt terrible doing boring and unrewarding work for hours. I had one employee who had been there for decades, even though he wasn't in a managerial role, try to boss me around and talk down to me.

>>61712714
>Dead socket
lmoa

>>61712714
>when g4560/g4600 exist
I got more luck winning a lottery than finding a store that sold this or with non-scalper price.

>>61708663
>How long should I expect to wait for reasonable prices?
It's anyone's guess, really. Ethereum mining SHOULD become less profitable soon(or at least that's what people keep saying), but that might mean everyone just moves on to the next memecoin.

>>61712486
Where the hell are those prices at?

what are hybrid GPUs like? they're often cheaper than regular air cooled ones

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xxGbPs

Go or no go?

Getting a bunch of cash as part of a university maintenance loan soon and want to upgrade my set up. Currently have a gtx 1070 and Haswell i5 and looking for a decently priced led/ips 1440p monitor or maybe a 4k monitor around 32". Also want a decent ssd which will be used for operating system and apps like steam only.

Budget is ~500/600 pounds (UK). Any recommendations?

>>61712402
Thanks, I was asking about the logic in this post though:
>>61711849

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My case has 3 HDD bays. How retarded is the idea of putting 3x 8TB WD Red in RAID 5 for media/misc storage? I run all programs and program data off SSDs

>>61713349
There is no such monitor in your budget:
https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=monlcd19wide&sort=p&xf=11939_30~11940_34~11944_1440~11955_IPS~11958_LED~11992_NVIDIA+G-Sync

>>61713513
Should have clarified that the monitors budget is ~500/600. I'll pay whatever for the ssd since for just the os and stuff like steam the capacity requirement isn't that high so I'm willing to pay the ~£80 it would cost, I just don't know about and good ssd brands.

Also I don't need gsync.

I was looking on Amazon and I saw this ultrawide 2560x1080 monitor. Are these any good? Refresh rate is 75hz which is nice.

LG 34UM68 34" Ultrawide IPS Monitor https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01BFH1FL4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_8g2Gzb025GTR3

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R5 1600 or i5-7600k gents? I want to build a more budget oriented rig for now expect to use it for the next 4 years. Which has better scaling/aging?

I'm hearing better Multi core for the R5 but the i5 has better Single core performance, and as history would inform me they're usually more reliable in running future program/games.

>>61713312
looks good

>reapplying thermal paste
>Turn on pc
>Temps shoot up to >80 C
H..help

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Already completed my high end build and all the remains is my audio. Should I go with heaphones or speakers first? I plan on getting both eventually, but with uni starting again soon I only have enough for one. My monitors have internal soeakers which have been adequate, but I want a better sound now. Any suggestions would be welcome.

>>61713489
With huge ass drives and RAID 5 using only 3 drives your asking for trouble. You would be very lucky to not have your shit wrecked after a rebuild if a drive fails.
If you want redundancy just use 2 drives mirrored in raid 1

>>61713751
>thermal paste
you know it's just mayonnaise, right?

>>61713778
This isnt a joke faggot.
>tfw having trouble with the cooler connector again

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i am planning to buy an RX560 2GB at 138$ to have 1440p resolution (programming and watching videos) and to be able to play games on shit graphics for the next couple of years. is there a better candidate i should look for?

So I'm thinking about getting a 960 Pro but some benchmarks show that the 960 Evo has a slight edge over the pro. However Evo uses TLC while Pro uses MLC. Longevity would be better with MLC right? Would it be worth the extra cost?

>>61713770
>You would be very lucky to not have your shit wrecked after a rebuild if a drive fails.
Why is this? The point of RAID 5 is that if you lose a drive your data are safe

Alright seems like the cooler didnt push down hard enough? Do I just push it down with a credit card or some shit?

>friend builds a $800 pc
>zen r5 1600x
>gtx 1050ti
Did he fuck up putting most if it into the CPU?

>>61713689
There's 0 point in buying a 4T i5 with the R5 1600 on the market.

>>61713816
Pretty much every review I've seen says the 1050 is better but I don't know about the US pricing. If the 560 is considerably cheaper then go for it I guess.

Is this the best under 700$ build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sPBv9W

I'm looking for a new monitor I found these two for the same price on Craigslist.. Going to be using it for mostly Switching between PS4 and laptop.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_gw2765ht.htm

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/viewsonic_vp2770-led.htm

Idk which to choose

>>61713874
That's what they said with the FX6300 and 8300, benchmarks indicated that intel outperformed them especially with future programs and games.

I just want to know if Ryzen is just overhyped and will only perform well in the few coming months. Benchmarks did show ryzen better performance but I just want to know which has superior scaling.

>>61713888
yeah but the 1050 only has 2GB so if I am going for that price I might as well get an RX560 4GB which will perform better in future games.

>>61714041
Bulldozer performed like shit in games while the R5 1600 consistently outperforms its Intel counterpart right now. Why would this turn around?

>>61713838
It's not that simple. On really big drives there is a very good chance that during a rebuild you will get a read error which can really ruin your day depending where the error happens. On smaller drives this is much less of an issue.
Read here
https://standalone-sysadmin.com/i-come-not-to-praise-raid-5-e8defd48827

>>61714041
>I just want to know which has superior scaling. The 4C/4T CPU or the 6C/12T CPU...

nigga u dumb

>>61714001
BenQ

>>61714041
>That's what they said with the FX6300 and 8300,
Are you retarded?

>>61713838
Just use btrfs and tell it to "RAID1" your data. It'll store two copies of the data on individual disks in a round-robin fashion to even out the use.

>>61714062
Gtx 1050 $109:
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814137058?nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker%2c+LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566

Also:

>One thing worth noting is that I could only get my hands on a 4GB version of the RX 560 as buying an AMD graphics card is difficult right now withthe latest mining boom. The buffer shouldn't influence performance anyway. The only game where this might give the RX 560 an advantage over the 2GB GTX 1050 is Doom, which is unusual with its memory usage.

>Please do note, I strongly recommend shoppers to avoid 4GB RX 560s because the GPU really isn't powerful enough to properly utilize that much memory. This makes the price premium for 4GB versions impossible to justify in my opinion, so please opt for a 2GB RX 560, which should cost$100or less.

https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1430-radeon-rx-560-vs-geforce-gtx-1050/page8.html

>>61714041
>I just want to know if Ryzen is just overhyped and will only perform well in the few coming months.
>especially with future programs and games.
How the fuck a i5 Kabylake will outperform them when intel itself will released a 6c/6t i5 in the next couple months because of Ryzen?
In the end future softwares and games will follow up the next Intel and current Ryzen architecture.

Used your fucking brain you inbreed dumb fuck.

>>61714082
Specific reasons?

>>61714161
benq has speakers if you ever feel the need

i know benq are alright but dont know about viewsonic

go with your gut

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>>61714078
>>61714068

IIRC that everyone hyped Bulldozer and Piledriver and praised the benchmarks on gayms and shit. It had more cores than intel but had less individual core power as we see now. AMD had the lead but Ivy Bridge outscaled and outperformed it over time which is why I'm showing concern.

>>61714093
>>61714155

Didn't expect people to get this upset over a question, guess this is what happens to fanboys with autism.

What's better, an hd 6850 or a gt 620?

>>61714216
>hd 6850 or a gt 620?
What year are you living in, do you even have money to get by the end of the month.

>>61714205
>IIRC that everyone hyped Bulldozer and Piledriver and praised the benchmarks on gayms and shit
You are dumb, no one ever praised Faildozer that's why they got the fail name.
You talk shit about future software and game compatibility to new generation CPU without knowing how scaling works.

>>61714205
Literally nobody praised the FX line for it's gaming performance.

And it didn't beat Intel at all, Sandy Bridge had it completely BTFO, both then and now.

Ryzen is much closer to Intel in terms of performance per core, and you get more of them for less and a better version of hyperthreading.

Just read like one fucking review and you'd see this.

>>61713689
>Considering buying 4 core

lmao

But really don't. We've been stuck on them for years and they're running out of steam. Ryzen loses in single threaded performance by ~10-15% but prodive better frame times and higher minimums and wont be as choked in few years.

>>61711695
Has anyone tested some USB 3.0 to Ethernet before?

>>61714142
ehh... in my country the cheapest gtx 1050 is the same price as an rx560 4GB (around 150$), and rx560 2GB is only 22$ cheaper (around 138$). also it is never worth to ship it here unless it is something very new (like a 1080ti or vega).

honestly if we already started climbing here I should just get a 1050ti at 196$...

>>61714297
>1050ti at 196$
jesus fucking christ, the marker is really fucked right now.

>>61714308
In usa, the cheapest 1050ti is 110$
Maybe because usa is the best country.

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>>61714241
Those reviews were shills then, because back then everyone I knew was buying AMD.
>talk shit without knowing how scaling works.
That's why I'm asking questions, not just making statements.

>>61714255
>And it didn't beat Intel at all, Sandy Bridge had it completely BTFO, both then and now.

1 Google search shows that almost in every benchmark Intel beats the bulldozer in future titles, even the last gen intel performed better.

Hows my purely for gaming build brose ?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WxRm8

>>61714070
>>61714099
Thanks. Didn't think about that. And the reason to RAID 1 is that if an error does occur after losing one drive I will lose only the file affected by the read error?

>>61714358
>Those reviews were shills then,
Are you an idiot?
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57615-amd-vishera-fx-6300-fx-4300-review-18.html
>Hot
>High TDP
>Only perform against mid to low end intel CPU
In what part they said overhyped?

>>61714387
In BTRFS's case you should only get problems with the individual unreadable file, unless the copy is readable. Whereever that copy may be.

>>61714387
It can still happen but much less of a risk compared to a RAID 5 setup. Raid 1 will correct read errors as they happen if both drives are online. If one dies and you get a read error during a rebuild only only that particular file should be affected.
For really important stuff it still should be kept in multiple locations on different media/devices

>>61713312
Edited it just a smuge.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TdpDRG

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>>61714358
The 8350 was aimed at the 3770K, the 8150 was aimed at the 2700K, they both lost to Intel.

>back then everyone I knew was buying AMD.
Yeah that's why they lost more than half of their market share during the FX series.

I already said, Ryzens per core performance is close to Intel's now, and you get more of them in a chip. How do you think it's going to fucking scale?

>>61714205
>AMD had the lead but Ivy Bridge outscaled and outperformed it over time which is why I'm showing concern.
That's... pretty much the opposite of what happened. Ivy Bridge was CLEARLY better for gaming at release. But if you look at any newish benchmarks that still actually have ivy bridge and Piledriver, you'll see that 8350 has better minimum framerates than the 3570k.

I own a Ryzen 5 1600. I plan on doing heavy overclocking and eventually upgrading to a better AM4 chip at some point in the next 5 or so years. I'd like to buy a motherboard that will last me around a decade.

With that in mind is it worth it for me to spend 240 dollaridos on a higher end ASUS AM4 motherboard? I've never owned a high end motherboard before.

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>>61714491
I can't find the exact articles or videos, but I do fondly remember seeing reviewers hyping it and the "OC" potential of the 63 and 8150. The fact that the Bulldozer and Vishera got outperformed by even the previous intel generation had me concern on switching with AMD's Ryzen.

Hence, the reason I asked question. Then again, nobody really is inclined on answering the question but rather correcting my mistakes and inconsistencies, replies in a nutshell i guess.

>>61714607
You seem knowledgeable about review sites while not realizing how intel recently turning their Pentium into an i3 and suddenly rushing to released a 6 cores i5 and 4 cores i3 because of Ryzen.
You don't need a reviewers to realized that they fuck up, you just need common sense.
None of old Sandy or ivy suddenly got more cores when Bulldozer came out, meanwhile Intel announced a new socket just six months after they released their old one.

But hey, Ryzen must be overhyped right?
Because intel actually not doing anything new and ignored them, oh wait? they don't.

>>61714607
No reviewer worth a damn praised bulldozer. They may have said that it OCs well, that part is true. They also said that it still performs terribly when you do that, and power consumption goes through the roof. It was hyped by AMD before it was released and turned out to be a burning trainwreck at launchday.

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>>61714272
>>61714558
>>61714560

Thanks for the input, I'll give AMD a shot and see what they can offer.

>>61714791

I relied more on reviewers since I'm really not up to date in tech, also the reason I don't frequent /g/ too much. I asked pcbg because an Anonymous opinion is definitely better than a Reviewer's opinion, something I'd realized if I discovered this site before the Bulldozer hype. That's why I just wanted a straight answer from before, but instead we got a shitshow and wasted time by acting "lol ur retarded for not knowing this".

Then again, if you want someone to reply to you, make your question or statement correctable I suppose.

>>61714961
>but instead we got a shitshow and wasted time by acting "lol ur retarded for not knowing this".
That because you are either a liar or a retard because no reviewers in the past ever said that bulldozer was worth a shit.
>b-but shill reviewer said Bulldozer was good.
>So today Ryzen reviews must be shill too
Not a single reviewers ever said anything good about faildozer.

>i7 3770K

How much would I need to step to notice a considerable increase?

Basically because I'm bored of my PC (built it in early 2014) it's fucking ugly and the RX 480 I have is probably overkill for what I use it for, I want to do a bit of a rebuild into a mini or micro case. I'm thinking my FX-6300 isn't suitable for that because it'll be a housefire. So, the plan:

> sell RX 480
> sell motherboard and CPU
> buy Pentium G4560 and micro/mini motherboard
> buy small case
> buy RX 560

I think I should come out pretty even on the money and that should do 1080p gaming fine?

>>61715081
> buy Pentium G4560
That if you could find the one who still cost you the original price of $60

>>61714893
Bulldozer was great for encoding, and for other shit that scaled well on multiple cores. The only Intel equivalent for those tasks were the X series which had fucking retarded pricing.

And that was it.

Their APUs were damn great though.

>>61715104

fuck, didn't realise it had basically disappeared. Hmm. Is a small rebuild with the FX-6300 feasible or will it burn down my house?

>>61715143
Will be fine

>>61715143
Get a quadcore Ryzen.

>>61715107
True, multicore integer performance was really good. Not what you need for gaymes though.

And yes, they really improved the design with the cat cores.

Are white cases tacky? The white version of the case I want is a little bit cheaper.

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Clear-Compact-Mid-Tower/dp/B017XPP9KK?th=1

>>61715212
I wouldn't care, my case doesn't even have a sidepanel because I can't be bothered to do proper cable mamangement and it doesn't fit.

>>61713312
>4x4GB
Have you checked if that mobo supports 4 dimms on 3200MHz?

Is it smart to do a fresh install when replacing mobo, cpu, ram

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>>61715016
>That because you are either a liar or a retard because no reviewers in the past ever said that bulldozer was worth a shit.
Pretty sure there's plenty of reviewers praising the Bulldozer of it's "potentials" when being "overclocked" even though it can go toe to toe with Sandy Bridge directly, but I won't argue with you further and certainly not waste time for finding those reviewers in the past. Regardless of the situation, if you wanted to "call me out" You could've also added some context and information on why Ryzen is better instead of acting like an Autist, but hey man, do what you do.

>>61715261
You still trying to lied your way saying that Bulldozer was ever shilled by reviewers till the end and can't even proved it.

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are be quiet psus a meme?

thinking about buying pic related.

>>61715411
I had a shitty Chinese PSU before for an old PC and there's barely any noise.

So yeah, it's a Meme I'd say, in most cases the only thing causing the noise is cheap fans.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dTnNbj

r8? Looking to replace my current CPU with a 1950X because I have autism, it's purely a gaming system but an 8 core Ryzen simply wont cut it.

>>61715411
They make some decent and good ones. The Power Zone series, at least here in Europe, is way to expensive for what it delivers though. Straight Power 10 and Dark Power Pro lines are really good if you get em for a fair price.

>>61715487
that's pretty dumb but it's your money so do as you please

>>61715509
is 100 euros for a powerzone 750w too much? i'm not sure if i should buy a 3 year old psu, but the price seems alright.

>>61715240
Hmm, looks like no. If I just use two sticks it looks like I'll be fine around 2933MHz.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yygCRG
Is Corsair a meme?

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>>61715523

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>>61715558
you got me there

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Looking at the recommended builds, I can't help but think that maybe an old sandybridge era workstation (like the Z420) would be a better option than buying a brand new 400 dollar computer (sans gpu). At which point does new computer offer good value over older business computers and workstations? I see old used Z420 workstations for about 200-300 dollars all the time, with 4-6 core LGA2011 CPUs.

Looking at this board, older business laptops like the T420 are very popular, and many people seems to buy those instead of new similarly priced options. Wondering why workstations don't have the same level of popularity. I only see a few very frugal people buy those kinds of computers.

>>61715487
VERY shit and UNSTABLE ram. do not buy

>>61715543
yes, for 10 bucks more you can get an infinetely better corsair RM750i.

>>61707333
>vega
>above 1080ti
:^)

>>61711695
Don't buy a new case if you don't have money to throw, what a dumb upgrade

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alright guys I might have enough money to buy a Vega 56 or a GTX 1080. this bottleneck calculator says my i3-6100 is too weak. well how weak is it really? I plan to save my neetbucks and upgrade the i3 in a year or two but I currently have money only for a GPU. could I run a game like DOOM or BF1 at 1440p?

>>61715661
because old business notebooks are fine for working, as long as you don't need the best battery life. But this thread is mostly for people that want a PC to play gaymes with, not actually work on. And for that a low clocked old xeon isn't really that good

Is there any reason, besides binning, why the clock speeds of the Vega 56 are lower than the 64? Won't the Vega 56 have more overclocking headroom if the only difference between it and the 64 are those 8 compute units?

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If I have a SATA3 SSD, would a 1800X load games faster than my i5 or would it not make much difference? Have there been any benchmarks on this?

>>61715796
at 1440p you'll get bottleneck
if your game at 1080p u shud be fine

>>61715796
most graphics settings change nothing about the CPU load, neither does resolution. The CPU doesn't care if you play at 4K or 720p, the workload it sees is the same.

Your i3 isn't suitable if what you aim for is high FPS in demanding multiplayer shooters like BF1, the FPS will dip significantly below 80 during clashes with many people there. Doom runs on a potato CPU wise.

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>>61715841
no

>>61714225
My cousin wants to get a cheap pc to play older games or simpler new ones. He only plays simulator games (farming, truck) and tropico 5 or something

>>61715553
Just look at you motherboard QVL list and pick RAM which is supposed to work at its advertised speeds.

>>61715799
Can get higher clocked ones too, and for people on a tight budget, is an entry level ryzen or i3 better than a 4-6 core xeon? I understand that a brand new 4.5GHz i7 is a totally different beast, but just the CPU is probably more expensive than an entire old workstation. It seems like everyone but the "gamers" promote used options when you're on a budget (volvos, 10 speed steel frame bikes, T420 laptops).

Even a X220 is still pretty good, once you take advantage of the battery recall program and get a nice brand new 9 cell battery.

>>61715914
To answer your question a 6850 rapes a 620, a 620 is just for extending your display outputs it's not for gaming. A 6850 is perfectly serviceable for playing less demanding games like you mentioned, or older games at higher settings. It'll probably max those games so long as he's playing at less than 1080p and his CPU isn't dogshit.

>>61715941
because these products generally have a longer lifespan than gaming components. You're right, most workstations are build really well and won't die on you any time soon, but used hardware for desktop PCs always had that stigma of "it will fucking melt itself down in the next two weeks if i'm unlucky".

>>61715823
speed for external devices will be absolutely the same. If the CPU actually has to do some work during loading (entierely depends on the game) it might make a difference

>>61715966
Thanks. Ye he bought some used pc for like 130e, has some 4 core intel at 2,4 , 8gb of ddr2 and a gtx 620, along with a case and mb obviously. I figured i can give him my old 6850 i had sitting in a drawer if its any better

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>>61716001
Reason I was wondering is it's common knowledge a lot of games only use a few cores when you're actually playing, is it the same when they are loading assets in a loading screen? Since it's just moving files from the drive to the RAM a faster CPU would in theory be faster? Or do the games have to be coded as such to use those cores when loading?

I can't find any benchmarks on this, only storage benchmarks. Kind of got me thinking because even with a heavily overclocked i5 and an SSD loading times can still take a while.

>>61716052
Yeah definitely worth it, it'll be like 4x faster, probably more.

>>61716094
it depends on the game and what it actually does during loading. It's not just loading shit into your RAM. I have no idea what the impact might be, but anything but negligible differences would suprise me.

>>61716134
Thanks m80

>>61716142
Guess I'll have a look at my CPU usage while some games are loading. I suppose if it's anything less than 100% a new CPU wouldn't help.

ty

>>61714216

I literally just replaced an HD 6850 with a GTX1060. The 6850 is a solid little card, but it cant play Tropico very well. :(

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Did i, did i fucked up senpai?
i5 6600k
Hyper 212 Evo Led
Gigabyte Ga-z170m-d3h
16gb Kingston HyperX Fury black 2x8 2666mhz
Samsung SSD Evo Pro 850 240GB
1tb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm

Eagle Warrior Case Robot Q 360mm and 240mm rad front and 240mm top capable mountings.
bought it 2016

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>>61715753

Is the Vega 64 + 1700 bundle a good deal?

>>61716224
>intel
>halfway to 2018
yea you fucked up

>>61716236
wait for vega reviews

>>61716236
I thought you couldn't get it without the monitor?

If you can though, yes. Both are a good value for the price they are at, even without a discount. People are only disappointed with Vega because there's no 1080Ti killer in its lineup, and it uses way more power than 1070/1080.

>>61716220
Tropico 5? Even at minimum 1080p?

>>61716224
If you bought it before ryzen hit the market you didn't. If you did, enjoy being outperformed by next gens i3s and not being able to upgrade with that board.

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Why is everyone here so staunchly pro-AMD?

>>61716291
we just hate intel jews and shitposters

>>61715841
That's wrong, the exact opposite is true in general . As you increase resolution you increase the load on the gpu and reduce the probability of a bottleneck from the cpu

>>61716291
It's mostly because Intel is an awful company and AMD is the only other option

>>61716291
Because it's exciting times in the CPU realm. AMD is wiping the floor with Intel's enthusiast offerings for half the price, and it comes at a time when Intel is at the peak of their greediness (see PCIe lane deactivation and RAID keys). The fact is a 1600 is a much better buy from a longevity perspective than a 7700K right now no matter your usage scenario.

Regardless of if or not you even buy a Ryzen chip it's existence is good as Intel finally has to get their shit together and not just pull the same 1% IPC improvements they've been doing since Sandy Bridge.

I'll probably be buying a 6 core Coffee Lake when they come out, assuming they aren't shit and Zen2 isn't better. Can't wait desu.

>>61716291
Far better performance/dollar with a negligible maximum performance difference between them and the competing Intel product. They're just being pragmatic.

>>61715984
Looking at the CPU options for sandy bridge now. The Xeon E5-1620 is much cheaper used, and seems to perform better than a Ryzen 5 1400 only looking at the passmark scores (I haven't gone more indepth than cpubenchmarks).

It is an old cpu tho, so I'm sure it is missing certain features that help accelerate certain programs, but that 50 dollar CPU is tempting.

>>61716291
poorfags who come to this echo chamber to feel good about their buyers remorse. /g/ defended the fx line-up to it's death and they still defend amd graphics even though it's been factually inferior to nvidia for some time now in efficiency and performance.

that being said ryzen is good buy amd gpu is still trash, even though they've improved the software.
t. 390 owner

>>61716291
Because AMD objectively obliterated Intel's entire desktop processor lineup with Ryzen. Also, Intel and Nvidia hold a shit ton of market share so 4chan, being contrarian, likes them not just because it's the other option but because supporting AMD is important if we ever want to see competition again. Intel is going to actually start innovating again, same story with Nvidia. It's just a shame Vega doesn't look like it'll stand on it's own like with Ryzen but we have to wait for benchmarks.

>>61716432
good but*

>>61716432
odd that you say that considering you have a GPU that has vastly outlived GK110.

>>61716407
passmark is a terrible way to gauge performance. It's just sandy bridge EP, check reviews with i7 2600Ks and consider the lower clockspeed.

>>61714347
where dude, the cheapest I can find is 140

>>61716432
t. favelanigger

>>61716487
because in recent years all of amd's gpu that have actually been worth the purchase are all around the same performance level. there's barely any upgrade in terms of performance and the value. the 290 was a value buy back when it came out, then it was the 390 and now it's the 480/580 which aren't all that much faster than the 290 and 390 and you can achieve probably the same average performance with minor overclocks on the 290 and 390. on the nvidia side there was the 770 which was the value buy for it's time and then the 970 which was like 50% faster and now the 1070 which is also like 50% faster. that's what i mean. the 290x/390x/furyx in the high end just weren't worth it because of the price/perf on launch and still aren't really worth it as there are nvidia options with better efficiency and performance.

when it comes to my 390 it's alright but it averages like 86C under load at 1060mhz and the fans are loud as fuck as a result despite being an expensive msi model. it's also a power hog. had to upgrade from 450w to 750w when i bought it.

how does this look.

was looking to squeeze a 1080 into a ~£1000 build

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2WjqZ8

>>61716446
Obliterated, when zenver1 can't beat 2011 Intel arch clock-to-clock in single threaded performance across the board, unless running memory at non-supported frequency (3200Mhz DDR4, which is unsupported on zenver1 vs 1600MHz DDR3, which is supported on sandybridge/sb-e/ivy-e).

>>61716631
GK104 which was first released as the 680 lost against tahiti. True, there's been a thirst streak after hawaii, doesn't mean all their products are shit. Fiji was shit, Polaris isn't actually bad, just no upgrade from hawaii. Vega probably won't be really bad either, just not competitive to nvidias offerings. What's so hard to discuss stuff like that on a product by product basis instead of trying to jam a whole bunch of different, only loosely related products into one bucket?

>>61716291
because the users here are mentally ill.

>>61716711
>when zenver1 can't beat 2011 Intel arch clock-to-clock in single threaded performance across the board
It's between Haswell and Broadwell levels of performance. Ryzen also supports 3200mhz RAM just fine. What 2011 chip does it lose to?

>>61716631
The big change on the 480/480 cards was efficiency. Look at the wattage of each card. The goal of Polaris wasn't to make a new flagship but to bring down the power consumption, which they did.

Vega is adding HBM2 memory and a bunch of features. But Vega is the last time AMD is just going to make a bigger chip for their GPUs. Navi, which is next, is going for scalability, like Ryzen Threadripper, so instead of having different dies for different models, they'll all have the same die, and for more performance, AMD will just pop another die on the chip like they did with Ryzen Threadripper. It's cheap and allows them to compete on a similar performance level. But the real thing is nvidia will never be able to compete on price again once Navi comes out.

>>61716778
>480/480
480/580*

>>61716778
Nvidia is going for MCM designs too...

>>61716632
save up a little more for a better psu and a hdd

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gxP7NN

>>61716632
Absolutely shit PSU for that price.

>>61716811
only because AMD announced it first. AMD already has the Infinity Fabric. And unless nvidia can develop a similar technology, they won't compete. AMD has been working on this for over 5 years.
Why the fuck do you think they Xbox One and PS4 both use Intel APU's? part of the master plan to corner the gaming market

>>61716885
>Intel APU's
AMD APU's. fuck. I shouldn't type before I can think.

>>61716863
oh i forgot to add one
>>61716879
is the problem corsair in general or just that series

>>61716899
anything corsair besides hx, tx, sf, or rmx is trash.

>>61716885
is this bait? sounds like you're regurgitating adoredtv's splutter straight out of the garbage can

>>61716962
>>61716863
alright how about this
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BXpVvV

I need to ask about Team ram, suspiciously cheap for the speed

>>61716238
I got tired of waiting(trademark symbol)
also i forgot to include EVGA 600w Bronze 80+
and a Sapphire Rx480 Nitro, i came from a 8320e FX build i really didn't trust AMD since the faildozer that's why i went intel, also i am probably selling my build to a friend and get either a r5 1600 or r7 1700 with a gtx 1070.

>>61716899
Some Corsair PSU's are fine, some are shit. The one you picked isn't worth buying.

>>61716989
Much better choice.

>>61716885
As you said, you can't come up with something like that fast. They probably have been working on an off die scalable fabric for some time. Nvlink isn't to different from what AMD does with GMI on package and PCIe lanes between sockets. Just need the right support on chip now.

The consoles use AMD APUs because that's the only company that can offer cheap, performant cores and decent graphics in one package. That won't change for the foreseeable future, AMDs approach will only make it easier for them to provide cheap, performant semi custom chips in the future.

>>61716962
RMi is really good too. Or did RMx replace that already? Haven't really looked at PSU reviews in two years.

>>61716989
looks good. Team dark are fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpyOulc21Ng

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Just checked a 3570K review for kicks, turns out going from stock speeds to 5Ghz at 1.4v doubles the power consumption from 130w to 260w. I'm running even more volts than that because my chip is shit, I think 1.46v or so but I'm not sure.

Am I killing my 500W PSU? System has a OC'd GTX 980Ti.

Does anyone else like to build in Thier garage?

>>61717023
those are great as well as ax. Not sure if they're still being produced

My main storage SSD just broke down today, need some HDD recommendations since you can recover that shit.

>>61716632
>asrock ab350 pro4
when will this meme die

>>61717754
If the motor or controller breaks you can recover it by replacing that. You can theoretically replace a broken ssd controller too. SSDs are safer than HDDs. If you're looking for security get a RAID array.

That said, if you need cheap storage get a WD blue or Seagate barracuda in the size you want.

Should I buy all the rest of my components now and just use my current GPU (280x) while I wait for 580s to drop in price?

Think R5 1600s will get any lower?

why do people use noctua fans? they match literally nothing

Thoughts on this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K8hYD8

I'm not sure about the case, the NH-D15is HUGE and I'm not sure if it fits?

Also thoughts on the vid card?

>>61707547
>Not 960 PRO
What's it like being poor?

>>61717071
>1.4 V
It ain't the PSU you are killing

>>61718620
i'd say that for that price you should think of an AIO cooler, it has more benefits and it also looks better

also maybe higher freq RAM?

>>61718756
Do you recommend any AIO cooler? I live in the middle of the damn desert and a good cooling device is important to me (My room has AC but still).

>>61718838
i think Corsair's h100i v2 is the mainstream option, haven't heard any problem regarding that model

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>>61718756
>>61718838

>>61718838
AIOs aren't better than air coolers. They are more expensive, more prone to failure, and do not cool better than air coolers

AIOs have their uses in cases that are too slim to accomodate tall coolers, but most people buy them for aesthetics and the mistaken belief that they cool better because >water

http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/2

>tfw have completely given up on pc gaming because of bitfags driving pricing up
oh well i guess I'll wait for the ps4

>>61718620
The case is needlessly large. Larger cases do not cool better. Get an ATX-sized case. Also that case is ~4 years old ore more and the case market has seen a lot of quality of life developments since then

desu any normal tower case should fit the D15, but you can always read the D15 height on Noctua's website and compare with the max CPU cooler height in the psecs of your potential case

>>61718620
Also make sure you pick up the SKU of the D15 that comes with AM4 mounting hardware

>>61719155
Wasn't implying it AOI was better, merely mentioned I want a good cooler and I think that's money well invested.

I didn't know AOI was even an option so it's cool to see there are cheap options now

Looks like h110i and NH-D15 cost about the same, will check some reviews around that

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>>61718419
pls respond

>>61719307
No idea piggy frog

>>61719289
This is a thing? I don't have to ask noctua for it anymore?

>>61719302
Here H110i costs over 50% more than NH-D15.

Really the only reasons to take AIO over quality air is aesthetic, case size and over the top RAM designs making them too tall. The latter two are easily fixed.

I bought an I7 7700k

>>61719470
F

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>>61707547
>not dual Tesla V100
how's welfare?

>>61719479
>>61719510
I don't regret my decision

>>61719642
You're a retard so that's hardly surprising

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>>61719659
I'll buy a ryzen with my neet bucks if it sucks (probably won't) or upgrade to coffee lake

Is it worthwhile upgrading from 4GB gtx 960 to Vega 56?

>>61719896
Wait for the benchmarks moron

>>61719926
Why dont they have them yet, Vega was supposed to be out this week

>>61719956
Announced at Siggraph
For sale and NDA lifts on 14th
It is just typical AMD incompetence

>>61707333
>no 7700k
Pajeet you're not fooling anyone.

>>61719971
Whats the earliest i could get my hands on an rx vega? In other words will it actually show up on newegg and amazon on August 14th?

I live in south korea btw so would there be even more delay?

>>61720118
Yes.
Yes.
No idea. Check your local hardware retailer and ask.

>>61713607
anyone?

how well will a gtx 1070 run a 1080p ultrawide? is it worth getting the 1080p ultrawide or shall i opt for something which can last me well with future graphics cards like a 1440p ultrawide or a 4k monitor?

>>61720345
>Ultrawide
No. Gaming on ultrawide is a huge fucking pain in the ass.

>>61720371
>Gaming on ultrawide is a huge fucking pain in the ass.

because of performance or because of game support?

>>61720408
If you like shit mouse tracking and fucked up FOV, yeah go ahead.

>>61720408
Support. If you want wide go with 1440p

>>61720443
>>61720449
ok. any good 1440p led/ips monitors for around £600 (~$800) range?

>>61720510
PG278Q
XB271HU

>>61720530
when it comes to gsync if i were to buy a non-gysnc monitor which also supports 144hz, would i still get tearing if i fluctuate between like 80-120 fps?

>>61720664
The higher the FPS the less noticeable the tearing since frames appear on the screen for shorter periods of time. However how noticable it is is different from people to people, some won't notice tearing, some will.

>>61720686
i don't think i notice tearing very much because i play some competitive games at higher than my native refresh rate and never seem to notice the tearing now that i think about it. do you think it's worth just getting a cheaper 1440p 144hz freesync monitor and hoping for nvidia to support it later on down the line?

>>61720721
>hoping for nvidia to support it later on down the line?
Nvidia will never support Freesync because their reasoning is that they can't control the implementation of adaptive sync protocol on the manufacturer side so to provide their consumer with quality assurance all G-sync modules come with their own hardware which ensure G-sync parity among all G-sync monitors.

No excuse for the jacking up of prices to jewish levels but that is the reason you almost never see people complaining about G-sync monitors but plenty of complains about Freesync monitors such as ghosting and narrow ranges.

Is the Asrock ab350m pro4 really a shit board? It's on sale where I live and actually seems decent and has good reviews.

What is the fastest ram speed i should get if i dont want to overclock? Is 2400mhz ram considered overclocked? What about 2133/2666?

>>61720810
It's a decent board.

What's a good monitor for less than $100 that doesn't overscan?

Turns out my monitor overscans my computer a shit ton

>>61721048
>Good monitor
>less than $100
Go look for 2nd hand monitors. You will never get a good monitor for less than 100 brand new.

>>61709712
Don't get the s340 meme case, get the fractal define r5

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>>61707333
>builds $2000 gaming/rendering PC
>plays games that don't come anywhere near using all the resources
why did i do it /g/
also very happy with r7 1700X major upgrade from fx 6300 in rendering and such

>>61721269
P400 > S340 > R5
I really hate the R5 side panels.

>>61721326
>s340 better then r5
I don't think so nzxt shill

>>61721324
get more gaymes then
it's been a nintenchild year, so just wait ™

>>61721434
You don't understand aesthetics