>"You're quite delusional to think you're more

100%

another one
>no, you THINK you don't have any problems. The biggest issue is the fact you think your task manager is all you need to defend from every threat. Viruses come in all shapes and sizes and the ones you haven't found (yet) are written by people much MUCH smarter than you. It's not difficult to write low memory malware, or malware that only makes small outbound calls when it sees activity taking place.
Anyone with a real understanding of malware makes damn sure they're reasonably protected. It's one thing to be paranoid but it's far worse to think "it can't happen to me, I have wireshark installed" (btw if you're monitoring network traffic for unwanted calls, this means the malware is already running and you've lost the fight)

I agree with him insofar as viruses aren't necessarily detectable, and common sense isn't an end-all solution, but I don't think that justifies using an antivirus suite.

What people don't realize is that most antivirus software is meant to fight things that have already been encountered in the wild by researchers. Furthermore, antivirus software--if you ask any (smart) security specialist--is really only applicable to 15%-10% of viruses/exploits/whatever. Yes, that means a lot in the enterprise, where you have a huge, red bullseye on your back 24/7, but as a normal consumer, that's pretty negligible. The detriment of most of that 10% isn't even applicable to normal consumers.

A counter-suggestion: use uBlock with blocklists toggled. A lot of web viruses are usually the product of phishing site, redirects, etc. Anyone can say they use common sense--but, honestly, I've had times where I've accidentally typed "yotube.com" instead of youtube and shit like that where I could have (in a minor way) put myself at more risk than necessary, and, amazingly, uBlock warns me before opening the page.

smartphones really helped the blackhat community to thrive and focus on minimal code exploits

if you can remain undetected on a small arm cpu phone you can sure get away with a lot on a quadcore desktop x86_64

The Apple Macbook Pro with Retina Display doesn't have this problem.

>>61693136
Then how do you spot hidden malware that has already infected you

>>61693141
That's what I use. Ublock, noscript and Windows Defender

/g/entoo men go on about commonsense.exe but they don't realize they're using a lot of software that normal consumers don't use or know about. They also know more about how Viruses work.

>>61692959
>and it only takes one crypto-locker loaded via an Adobe Flash/Java/Javascript exploit
While true, this is rare. Most exploits are fixed before they are used.

>Fresh windows xp installs would get the conficker virus while downloading windows updates immediately after installation
Not true.

>use an anti virus
No, this is a terrible idea. Antiviruses are some of the most exploitable programs, they are snakeoil and botnets.

>Running windows connected to the Internet without AV
Running windows in general is foolish. That does not mean that you will magically get viruses.

Install Gentoo.

>>61693601
>that has already infected you
You make sure that this does not happen.

>>61693604
>Ublock
I hope that you mean uBlock Origin

>noscript
Try uMatrix.

>Windows Defender
Try GNU/Linux.

>>61692959
You wouldn't have sex without a condom

>>61692959

I think it's a better approach to verify the files of known software than to attempt to catalogue all the virus variants in the world.

Most linux package managers store hashes of the files they install, so you can verify that installed programs haven't been fucked with. Combined with something like secureboot verifying the kernel on bootup, you can do a full system audit easily enough.

>>61692959
This is kindergarten system security.
>Block flash from loading and create a whitelist for job or school related sites that use it.
>use UBlock origin to stop drive by payloads
>Use HTTPS to keep your traffic from the clear
>Get a decent antivirus, and get a better firewall than windows built in
>Don't download files you can't cross reference with a hash or if you decide to do so, make sure its sandboxed.

>Boom lower risk of getting something.

>>61693640
>You make sure that this does not happen.
yeah but WHAT if it happened to you, what would you do?

>>61692959
You'd have to be a moron to get a virus in this day an age. "lol whoops clicked the wrong download button and then lol whoops opened the exe anyways!!!"

>>61693789
Kill yourself?
As I said, just make sure that it does not happen. If you make sure that it does not happen then you will never have to worry about what you are going to do afterwards.

>>61693795
Oh trust me there's many many ways to get malware that isn't "oops i downloaded and clicked music.exe"

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>>61693848
Not really.

>>61693820
not really

There's nothing to be scared of.

>t. Someone who had unauthorised credit card charges.

Tbh, I think someone from Dominos sold my credit card information.

Reeeeeee.

>>61693853
Of course it is. This is the most retarded post I've read all week

>>61693820
Not really.
Name one.
Unless it's a targeted attack it's next to impossible to get a virus unless you're a moron. and if it is a targeted attack no anti-virus or firewall will save you, if a hacker wants to get into your computer bad enough they always will.

>>61693888
k

>>61693871
>>61693894
OS vulnerabilities, like downadup and the likes

>>61692959
He's right

>>61693950
In that case you're going to be effected even if you use an anti-virus or firewall. My point stands.

>>61692959
I get the feeling that I've collected a host of malware over the years, just through the law of large numbers. But no scan by any program has ever revealed that I've ever had any.

t. no firewall or antivirus

Ryzen systems are immune to viruses. The current malware doesn't work on the new architecture.

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>>61692959
That's why you reinstall your OS once or maybe twice a year. Nothing survives the nuclear option

>>61694025
what if the CIA niggers sneaked into your house and planted a hardware bug in your PC?

>>61693974
who even thought that firewalls were needed by most people

>>61694025
retarded

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>you can have malware on your system right now without anything being able to detect it

Tell me then. What is this malware even going to do?

>>61693894
>Name one.
Exploits like what wannacry used
Get out of here goldfish how are you even using a pc

>>61693615
>Fresh windows xp installs would get the conficker virus while downloading windows updates immediately after installation
>Not true
This is true even for fresh vista, 7, 8 and 10's 2016 fall build (10's 2017 creator's update is unaffected) if the pc is facing directly at the internet, aka on DMZ mode or connected to a network with at least 1 infected machine.

>>61693984
Mac cant use it?

>>61694053
Sent spam email advertising viagra, be part of DDOS attacks, steal cc information when used, steal passwords, etc, all of them unnoticeable

>>61694120
>if the pc is facing directly at the internet
Good luck with that. Also, you would need someone to be scanning every ip in order to infect it - something that would be impossible with ipv6.
Still, you can disable the service.

>>61694153
>Sent spam email advertising viagra
The smtp port is blocked by home isps.

>>61694107
>wannacry
Anti-virus/Firewall would not prevent this.
Point. Stands.

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>>61694153
>nuking my OS bbl

>>61694046
>retarded
explain?

Can I get malware from only the chans, wiki's and online shopping/banking, tho?

>>61694153
Aaand how do i detect it an et rid of it?

>>61694228
according to /g/entoomen you become an hero

>>61694168
Im not saying its easy but its doable, most pc in the world still use ipv4, one time I was installing fresh xp connected to the internet like 13 years ago (pre sp2) and the doomsday worm (cant remember the exact name) got in just like that, had to reformat and update offline.

>>61693894
>Name one.
Malicious ads can infect your computer even if you just view them. Or you could get infected by just being in the same network as another infected computer.

90% of the time just keeping your shit up-to-date is enough to stop those kinds of attacks, though.

>>61694252
>Malicious ads can infect your computer even if you just view them
lol

>Or you could get infected by just being in the same network as another infected computer.
lal

>90% of the time
More like 100% of the time.

>>61694242
This

>>61692959
The whole paragraph could advocate not using Anti-virus and your brain instead.
I don't have an anti-virus, all the people I know working in security don't have a anti-virus.

Because Anti-virus is not the way to protect your computer. It's a little bit of common sense, and protecting yourself from the attack vector described in the paragraph (block flash, Java, javascript except if the page is on a whitelist, for example).

>>61694281
Get cucked, faggot.

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>>61694311
>tfw can't get cucked ever in my whole life because my waifu is the only gf that I need.

>>61694328
>[your waifu's name] rule 34
>search

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>>61694281
stop giving this faggot (you)s

Friendly reminder, add these to your filters:
/\(you\)/i
/@[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]+/

>>61694354
>only yuri
not cucking

>>61694380
why not [0-9]{4,}?

>>61694601
Because I can't into regex.

>>61694188
You forgot your own fucking point, which was to kill yourself because you couldnt prevent it
Then moved back and pretended "hurp gotta download an .exe"
Now this
You really are a fucking goldfish, forgetting your own points a few minutes later

>>61694601
\d{4,}

>>61694581
>getting cuckd by a girl
F.A.G

mixed.
some of it is absolutely correct.
some of it is still fearmongering.

>>61694618
Does 4chanx accept \d?

>>61694025
NSA has hardware exploits that write the backdoor to HDD sector which survives formatting. Nothing your typical hackforum skid can do tho.

>>61694042
>>61695689

If you have shit like that targeting you, you pretty fucked no matter what you do.

>>61695689
>NSA has hardware exploits that write the backdoor to HDD sector which survives formatting
Where are your sources? this seems like fearmongering

Second, -assuming- what you're saying is true, then it's sufficient to buy a new HDD and install a clean windows 7 with only the security update, voila.

>>61694615
My point was that using an anti-virus is useless, either you get a virus because you're a moron (lol wrong exe) or you're targeted as part of an attack that an anti-virus won't stop.
Point still stands.

>>61692959
>Keyloggers don't need to ruin your computer to work well
Well no, but you'd still see the effects of those pretty fast as well in the form of them accessing your accounts and shit. Assuming we're talking about non-governments.

>and it only takes one crypto-locker loaded via an Adobe Flash/Java/Javascript exploit to be stuck with your important documents inaccessible and having to pay a ransom for a chance to recover them
Just recover from backup.

>Running windows connected to the Internet without AV is extremely arrogant and downright foolish."
Well, more modern Windows systems don't have that many open exploits. And they have a AV enabled by default anyway.
But yeah, I wouldn't use a Windows system without AV in the age of everything needing javascript, and third party ads being on every site. Blocking ads and the like stops the majority of those, but just enabling one wrong thing on the wrong site because you're trying to get it to work could fuck you over. The first step is obviously just common sense and trying to not download malware, but adding a last line of defence isn't that stupid if it's a low cost solution.

>>61695849
Not hardware, sorry. Firmware exploit.
https://www.wired.com/2015/02/nsa-firmware-hacking/
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ypwkwk/the-nsas-undetectable-hard-drive-hack-was-first-demonstrated-a-year-ago
https://www.techpowerup.com/209925/nsa-hides-spying-backdoors-into-hard-drive-firmware
https://forum.truecrypt.ch/t/nsa-hard-drive-firmware-hack/621
But as >>61695767 said, if they target you, it is most likely game over for you.

>>61696027
>Not hardware, sorry. Firmware exploit.
read the second par of my post then.

>>61692959
tl;dr
Running windows is foolish.

>>61696158
I read it, and you are right. That backdoor endures against nuking HDD(unless its actual nuclear weapon).

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>>61692959
>You're quite delusional to think you're more clever than every single malware creator in the world, just because files aren't being deleted or your computer lagging up, doesn't mean you don't have a virus.
These symptoms are typical of post-hobbyist era virus. Just deleting viruses or having a user notice is not good in a business sense.
>Keyloggers don't need to ruin your computer to work well, botnets thrive on you not knowing they're on your computer, and it only takes one crypto-locker loaded via an Adobe Flash/Java/Javascript exploit to be stuck with your important documents inaccessible and having to pay a ransom for a chance to recover them.
Most of these can be avoided by not visiting sketchy sites and using an adblocker. You should already have backups of your important files.
>Just being connected to the Internet whatsoever can give you viruses. Fresh windows xp installs would get the conficker virus while downloading windows updates immediately after installation.
Later XP versions released came with a filewall automatically enabled. Additionally this would only work if it wasn't behind a router (unless you port forwarded).Don't kid yourself, use an anti virus. I understand if you don't want to use resource intensive AVs like Norton and MacAfee. There's Microsoft Security Essentials, and MalwareBytes etc you can use. Running windows connected to the Internet without AV is extremely arrogant and downright foolish.
Don't underestimate malware "companies." Just like regular companies there is testing. They run it by every AV and make sure that none of them detect it.
AV only protect you from old malware, not necessarily live malware.

I guess it's good for normalfags who don't have common sense.

>>61693656
that's the only way I _have_ had sex

>>61696318
Explain how you're less likely to get fucked by malware while using linux?

>>61696698
>more frequent updates, including bugfixes
>defaults involve you using an unprivileged user, harder for things to do any real damage to your machine (without a bug allowing root escalation, but see point #1 for that)

openbsd is also worth considering, it prides itself on security

>>61696698
Not everyone writes exploits to linux even though it is certainly not impossible.
A little easier to audit and harden linux too.

>>61696698
For starters, the vast majority of malware is written for Windows.

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>>61694615
>couldn't prevent it
>patched 2 months before release
>not disabling unused services
>not firewalling everything but port 20, 21 ,80 and 443

>>61696698
Centralised and automatic updating system: you won't have to manually update each application.
Free as in freedom: Most FOSS software is of higher quality and makes hiding backdoors more difficult in comparison to non-free software.
High quality package management: Distributions have big repositories containing most software that you will ever need as well as its source - meaning that you won't have to trust shady sites to get your binaries from, moreover the software that you get from these repositories is signed by the maintainers and verified by your package manager automatically.
Less desktop users: Thus less motivation to create malware.
Privilege separation: It is a common practice in unix-like systems to use different users with different privileges for different tasks.

>>61693601
Personally, I watch my network activity obsessively. It became a religion after getting malware on Windows 7 many years ago. I've grown to like LInux for the simple fact that it has so many easy to use network related tools available. It's alot easier to kill shit if you pick up malware, too.

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>>61696794
>using ftp
>not having port 22 open
>using software that listens to random ports in the first place
pleb

No offense but you're a total moron if you think "common sense" is good enough.
>LOL! I see virus files on my hard drive or scan with mbam occasionally!
Some viruses aren't detected because they're new or haven't been found due to the hiding technique.
>I'LL REINSTALL!
Viruses can install themselves into your bios so if you reinstall your OS, they're back before you login the first time.
>website security
If there's an exploit for a website to install malware on users you're fucked. How can this be? A quick pop up, rogue advertising, shit security on a random website.
Some anons are very paranoid and use AV, browser security extensions, "common sense" (not basic, they have fresh computers which have extensive security measures (OS hardening), only visit certain sites, no porn, and they don't download warez.
To the naysayers and n00bs... Too late kiddo, you got hacked, and your system is owned.
If you think otherwise PLEASE explain about how you know so well.
t. Someone who knows about and has used malware kits in the past

>>61693005
>(btw if you're monitoring network traffic for unwanted calls, this means the malware is already running and you've lost the fight)
¿

>>61697262
I saw this too. Ignore it.

>>61697150
>>LOL! I see virus files on my hard drive or scan with mbam occasionally!
nobody said that

>Viruses can install themselves into your bios so if you reinstall your OS, they're back before you login the first time.
The point is that you are not supposed to get a virus in the first place

>If there's an exploit for a website to install malware on users you're fucked
Which is why sane people run their browsers either as a different user or in a VM. In fact nobody on GNU/Linux runs her browser as root.

>A quick pop up, rogue advertising, shit security on a random website.
Would need an exploit on your actual browser.
Still, would not be possible if you used something like umatrix or if you browse with js disabled.

>Some anons are very paranoid and use AV
If they were really paranoid they would not use AV.

>To the naysayers and n00bs... Too late kiddo, you got hacked, and your system is owned.
kek sure

>t. Someone who knows about and has used malware kits in the past
script kiddo

>>61692959
way i see it
if you need to PAY for and install malware/botnet/spyware in order to prevent malware/botnet/spyware etc
it's safe to just immediately assume everything is compromised, even offline backups.
malware can install itself to usb ports and firmwares on your devices

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>>61693640
Yeah, I mean uBlock Origin. I didn't even realize uBlock was an actual, separate thing. Which came first? I would assume Origin, and uBlock forked it, but then why the name distinction? What's the story behind that?

>>61693601
That's a decent point, actually. How does antivirus software retroactively check to see if you were affected by something malicious? Is it possible to apply those same methods to GNU/Linux? If so, why isn't there an antivirus for GNU/Linux? Or is there?

>>61697966
>Yeah, I mean uBlock Origin. I didn't even realize uBlock was an actual, separate thing. Which came first? I would assume Origin, and uBlock forked it, but then why the name distinction? What's the story behind that?
Ublock came first, then the original developer split because reasons and forked Origin from it.

>>61697966
The first one was uBlock however the original developer decided to stop developing it and gave it to a random fuck. However afterwards that random fuck abused it and then the original developer forked it back and renamed it to uBlock Origin.

>>61697966
>Or is there?
There are many, but they are mostly used for file and mail servers to check for windows viruses on the files that they host and deliver.

commonsensetards btfo ITT

>>61692959
I use macOS.

Honestly these super awful plague viruses only hit unlucky people or those that don't install updates. The rest of the stuff can be blocked by even the included Microsoft defender as long as you don't dadclick on ads and fake download buttons

>>61693894
get a load of this CIA nigger doing some sweet cointepro

>>61697381
>nobody on GNU/Linux runs her browser as root.
true, but everyone that rolls their own linux has a place for a suid shell to slide into.

This was true when I last used Windows a few years back. Even with NoScript, a porn site served me a malicious that was thankfully stopped by MSE or whatever I was using at the time. You aren't safe without antivirus on Windows

>>61699847
kekked

>>61694046
Apparently only the government writes wipeable resistant virus so you're wrong