Alright, I've fucking had it. Apple is apparently introducing

>>61685499
Think about it, every late model smart phone on the market has this hardware now, and every device does not allow the end user access to assure that the biometric sensors are actually off. A nation state or hacking adversary could potentially exploit these sensors and the end user has no recourse except for standard security practices like don't install sketch apps etc.

So my question to you: What phone do the security concious use? What Smartphone ROM do we use if we can't find a phone that meets our needs?

Every time you pick up a smart phone you make a deal with that specific manufacturer, that you're going to fill their empty box with your information, and then you're going to trust them with it. This new "smart phone culture" basically makes it their device, and you're just using it-- even if you outright purchase the device, they're always there, and they always have control.

With PCs in the old days, you could tear them apart, upgrade components, remove components you didnt like, shit you could install your own OS on there, everything. With android and fruitphone, it isn't even the close to the same. I suppose cyanogenmod is a custom OS, but do you really need to go so far out of your way to get control of your hardware? REALLY? Void the warrenty and look like a fucking criminal just for control over your device?

Finally Jamal will give it back.

I don't see a problen with that.

>>61685504
>What phone do the security concious [sic] use?
They don't. Don't use a computer connected to the internet for anything you don't want potentially made public.

You need a threat model. If the government wants to kill you, ruin your life, see your porn habits, etc. They can and will get that information. Your ISP is backdoored, your hardware is backdoored, and even if you create foolproof encryption they will just lock you away in a jail cell until you agree to unlock it. Don't believe me? There's a cop in New England I believe, that's been in jail for 16 months now in such a situation. If your threat model is skids / street hood nigs / psycho malicious non-state agents, which is about all you can reasonably expect without ceasing to use the internet entirely - it's decent enough. If it deters lesser threats at the expense of empowering greater ones which are already privy to said information, I don't see the point of apocalyptic thinking.

>>61685565
I just really hate the fact that we've got no control over our hardware, maybe i'm just oldschool in my thinking that my hardware is mine, and I want to control it short of writing my own OS.

Miss the old days....I'm having birthdays. Fuck life

>>61685499
>Apple
Found your problem.

>>61685611
>miss the old days
you're 18 shut up retard

>>61685704
i dont touch their nazi steaming pile of shit
i dont care if they drill 1000x 1mm "speaker holes" into solid aluminum, i'm not buying into their garbage that it costs money to copy audio files

fuck that jewery

>>61685727
i'd be much happier if i was 18 again
can you make that happen plz?

>>61685499
>There is a monopoly on smartphones
That's among the strangest things I have read all day.

Do you perhaps mean..
> Apple has a monopoly on selling iPhones?

There is totally competition for end-users when it comes to smartphones, there's a ton of different brands to choose from and most of them have a whole range of different phones with all kinds of features and prices. I just don't see the problem.

The fact that there's just Qualcomm and Mediatek and Apple that makes SOCs for them is obviously somewhat problematic, but that's slightly different. And none of them have what I'd call a monopoly (though Qualcomm is trying).

As for the other issues you raise, they are quite valid but we already had this problem the moment every single phone got cameras on the front and the back - in addition to a microphone. One silent update from Google and Apple and these become government spy devices.

I personally think the most problematic aspect is that these devices are so widespread it doesn't matter if you yourself refuse to use it.

>>61685813
android or apple nigger
choose one

>>61685565
>more defeatism
yes goyim its pointless to try so you should just make a fakebook account and use windows!

The point isn't to have bullet proof security the point is to have good enough securtiy that the state won't bother wasting money to hack you.

>>61685839
smartphones = voluntary tracking device

>>61685565
>They don't. Don't use a computer connected to the internet for anything you don't want potentially made public.

He said "security conscious" not "paranoid schizophrenic"

>>61685872
For the enlightened who actually understand the bredth of the data ensared by said tracking device it might be considered volentary if they fully consented and deeply understood what was happening. They also would have to control what people SENT to them too to fully be able to consent to every bit of information being shared.

Point being, is nobody knows(except for (((THEM))))what these black boxes are picking up, and nobody really knows who gets to see them and what purposes they are used for.

for fucks sake, some deep state queer may decide "it" hates white men and decides to plant shit on a phone, or flags them a terrorist for fun. And i'd love to believe it doesn;t happen, but then you have the liberal audit trolls over at the IRS

Nobody can be trusted with this kind of power, and the only thing you can do is BE a paranoid skitzo or become to expensive to deal with, and since none of us are terrorists hopefully, how the fuck do you do you become expensive easily?

I'm seeing a lot of defeatist attitudes and lack of knowledge....come on, show me your autisms

>>61685538
ok, so it really is a shit idea to steal smartphones

Jamal still steals them, and no stateside cop is going to waste time tracking his dumb ass down, unless 50 people get their phones lifted.

Old IMEI system worked just fine for theft deterrent. we didnt need 24/7 location tracking with year scale history