/pcbg/ - PC Building General - AMD edition

What cases are the best in regards to modularity and cable management?

Why is the 7700k missing from the OP?

>>61681114
because OP is either a shitposter or a shill. Such a shame that he needs to shit up one of the most helpful threads on this board.

will reviewers get vega before release to do benchmarks?

>>61681122
Why don't you post the next thread, then? They're always made too late anyway.

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120mm AIO or thicc tower cooler for 1700? I am looking to OC but haven't yet because I'm using the stock cooler

>>61681162
NH-D15
It competes with TOTL 240mm AIOs while remaining much quieter

>>61681144
If I'm around when this thread reaches the bump limit I'll make the next one with the proper OP.

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>>61681162
bq dark rock 3 or a 240-360mm aio are my considerations.

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Anons, I've finally got the money to build my first PC, but the motherboard I was gonna order went out of stock, can you recommend a roughly equal replacement for this build?


Also, some anons quite a few threads back told me to get a cheap graphics card at first and wait for the prices to lower before I buy a good one, have they lowered yet?

Is there one I could get that'd allow this build to run stuff like Arma III or Squad at at least 30 FPS without going over $900?


Is there anything else I need to get get along with this list besides a keyboard and mouse? I'm just gonna use a TV as a monitor.


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dt7s4C

how fast do you expect the limited edition vegas to be bought up?

>>61681162
DH-15, Only gaymer kiddies dislike its color scheme.

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>>61680933
>that jewripper oven cpu box

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

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>>61681376

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Thought;s on my build /g/? Total scrub here

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>>61681453

>>61680933
is it pronounced rice zen?

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>>61681358
I don't care about >muh internal looks. I have windowless define R5 (thing weighs a fucking tonne) that sits on the floor.
>>61681188
>>61681218
>>61681358
so thicc tower cooler it is. Guess I'll just have to decide on the Dark Rock 3 or the NH-D15. Is the NH-D15 worth $10 more than the Dark Rock 3?
Anyways thanks lads

>>61681453

>x99
>shitty corsair VS
>planar tlc trash ssd
>1743 pounds

are the ryzen segfaults on linux already fixed?

when/where can i preorder rx vega?

>>61681233
seems like asrock splurged with that power design. I'd go with the step down from the one you chose https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157763
Make sure the one you want is actually sold out everywhere though (i.e. check your local stores and whatnot)

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>>61681376

Is 18g of ram good to live stream on twitch while playing games and such?

>>61681611
16***

>>61680933
Gonna work on unbreaking my BIOS when I get home, wish me luck

>>61681114
it goes missing and comes back because Intel fans get butthurt.
The Ryzen 7 1700 can effectively replace the 7700K. MASSIVE improvements have been made to the gaming performance of Ryzen in a matter of months and it's only going to get better from here on out.
>fucking corefuckers
That's not it. Whether a processor is futureproof has nothing to do with how many cores it has, but rather how many threads it has and how good the multi-thread performance is.
The fact of the matter is that Ryzen can now hit over 144 FPS in most games, as newer games are becoming incredibly multi-threaded.
>They said this 5 years ago with Bulldozer!
Yes they did. And it happened. Go look up modern benchmarks. The FX 8350 outperforms the 2500K in most games nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvdSnEbL50

>>61681611
Yes.
The real bottleneck is usually the CPU.
For that use, R5 1600 or R7 1700 is recommended.

>>61681611
install more reddit instead

>>61681666
>The Ryzen 7 1700 can effectively replace the 7700K
LMFAO

>>61681706
prove me wrong
>inb4 months old videos and articles from fucking March.

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Any recommendations on a case/cooler? I hear the stock cooler is actually pretty decent?

I have a 970 which I was going to take from old rig, at least until I can afford something better.

>>61681680
Wow, an actual productive comment to my question. Thank you. I'm trying to build my first ever pc

I have a mini build with all these parts at the moment:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9pzNbj

I also have a PNY GTX 660 I believe so I was looking to update the card. What card could I get without having to upgrade my PSU? Also I notice with the 660 I have I can play games on my larger tower on ultra pretty fine but if I try the same on this mini build I get a few lag spikes. Is it the CPU or mobo holding me back? The larger tower I have with no lag is a bulldozer CPU with the same ram and using the same card.

>ASrock AB350M Pro4
>3200mhz ram
>set XMP, boots fine @3200
>reboot PC, bootloops and resets to 2133
fak you

>>61681837
define r5 non windowed

>>61681873
>ASSrock
HAHAHAHAHA

>>61681873
piece of shit motherboard, i'm returning mine tomorrow

>>61681882
few other choices for matx boards

Pc part picker is only recommending me Intel cpus as compatible. Is it because my mobo? MSI z270 mobile. Want a mock that will allow me to overclock in the future but want an r7 1700

>>61681852
>paying for FM2 in these days
Get an AM4 B350 motherboard, and a Ryzen 5 processor. Then use you 660 until the GPU market finally stabilizes and you can properly upgrade it.

>>61681929
>z270
intel chipset

>>61681929
Yes. Deselect that mobo and when you go to pick a new one, use the AM4 socket filter if you want a Ryzen CPU.

>>61681929
For an AMD CPU, you want an A320, B350, or X370 motherboard.
Z270 is only compatible with Intel CPUs because of the socket.

>>61681882
>get recommended the board last week
>haha you actually bought that shit idiot
such is life on /g/

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>master case(race) 5 with corsair swastika fans

>>61681453
Fuck off.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hcQPpb

>>61681114
Op want to build an pc not burn your house down...

>>61681837
Get fucking faster RAM for fuck fuck sake. Make it atleast 3200.

With the influx of gpu prices, what's a good reliable gpu? I was looking at the gtx 1080 and would buy it but wondering how much less expensive it was before. Should I wait it out? If so, what other gpu. Also, Ryzen or Intel?

>>61681873
Set the RAM manually you dumb fuck. It's not even hard, look online you lazy fucker.

>>61681666
Just fuck off, you shat up the thread pajeet

>>61681991
Just fuck my shit up senpai, I can put together my parts with no issue but I only just figured out how to OC my CPU

>>61681999
>can't properly argue against it
>f-fuck off shill

>>61681936
Fuck I didn't realize I could get a mini with Ryzen. This mini is like 2 years old so That's why I went FM2 at the time.

>>61682049
Yea. The ITX boards are FINALLY here.

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>>61680933

Anyone who isn't going Threadripper + ASUS X399 ROG Zenith Extreme + Vega needs to take a long jump with a short rope. Seriously, take your broke ass to /tpg/.

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>>61682092
>Paying over $4000 on useless computer parts you will never take full advantage of.

>>61681584
What about this one?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6T7CmG/gigabyte-ga-ab350m-gaming-3-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350m-gaming-3

It seems nearly identical to the one I was going to buy, does the company that makes it have a good reputation? is it a piece of shit that'll randomly stop working?

I'd prefer to spend a bit extra to get something more fitting for future upgrades.

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>>61681114
This. I prefer Ryzen for multiple reasons, but i think the i7 7700 could be a better choice for some people.

>>61682109
>being a workflowlet
Pathetic. Those parts are only $2000 in the first world, by the way.

>>61682139
>but i think the i7 7700 could be a better choice for some people.
like those who've recently had a lobotomy.

>>61682079
GLUED
TOGETHER

any recommandation for a cheap cpu + mobo combo

>budget $200

the build won't have gpu and will be mainly used for torrenting and vlc (full hd video)

>>61682182
so do you already have a GPU or do you need integrated bullshit?

>>61682182
Just but an OptiPlex tower and throw a 1030 in it

>>61682199
>1030
integrated graphics is fine for video i suppose

>>61682205

i don't want to play games

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J698TW/asus-radeon-rx-560-4gb-video-card-rx560-4g

I was going to buy this card but it went out of stock, I had started wanting to get something a bit more powerful anyways, pls recommend something better for under 300$

I'm stupid and don't know how to tell how powerful different video cards are, this my first time building a computer.

>>61682244
Spend the surplus on upgrading the RAM

>>61682251
> was going to buy this card

you srs ?
1050 TI is better than RX 560
I'm not even Nvidia fag, fuck Nvidia

>>61682244
a GT 1030 is too weak for gaming. Many have said it's perfect for an HTPC though
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mt6QHN

>>61682266
>you srs ?

Yes, some anon recommended I get it because it's cheap then wait for GPU prices to drop before upgrading.

What about this one?
Is it worth how much more it costs?
Will it run shit like Arma III?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wz648d/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-d5-6g-video-card-gv-n1060d5-6gd

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>>61682139

Is watercooling a meme?

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How much should I worry if things I order come dinged up in the mail like this because of poor packaging and mailman stuffing it in a mailbox? What's the chance of damage?

why do people like to hide their power supply?

>>61682111
They're really all built to the same spec. I'm sure that one will be fine and the VRM cooler means that your could do some overclocking. I've never owned a Gigabyte mainboard so I can't tell you if it's shit or not.
If you really want to get something that will last forever consider a cheap X370.

>>61682449
this isn't /trans/

fuck off

>>61681408
Have your (((You))) and get the fuck out.

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>>61680933
>g4560
>when ryzen 3 exists
wow i wonder who is behind this one

>>61682523
Sweetie, that post is 4 1/2 hours old. He's already long gone.

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>>61682529

>>61682251
>>61682353
Pls respond I just want to know what graphics card to get, I'm already well over my original budget

Rate it fukrs

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($91.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($178.05 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card ($284.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer - H226HQLbid 21.5" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1114.74

>>61682572
SOMEONE RESPOND TO THIS LITTLE ONE.

I am stoopid too.

are gpu pricing going down now?

>>61682516
wut

What is the closet you should get to your powersupply's max wattage with a build? I am about 50 away from the max on a smaller powersupply I have and the powersupply is 80+ rated.

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I'm having trouble believing these temps. I'm currently compressing ~200GiB of video with 7zip using 12/16 cores and the temps are barely above idle. Is something fucked or is this normal? I'm only using the stock cooler at stock settings. HWmonitor has the temps at 26c while Aida34 has them at 30c.

>>61682602
wat

>>61682610
What is your ambient temp?

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I have an Asus X552C laptop, with a Mediatek MTE730E WiFi+Bluetooth Combo that's giving me problems since forever (before with Windows, now with Ubuntu). My machine is double boot (Windows 8.1 and Ubuntu 16.04, I need both OS), so a /g/entooman at /fglt/ told me that to replace it with a linux-compatible one I should get something Atheros. So, guys, what would be the best model for it? Something that's available on Amazon (so I'm sure I can get it in Italy), is compatible with the rest and doesn't cost too much, if possible.

Thoughts?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/C2VFD8

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>>61680933
So, I'm building a rig, something I haven't done in a while. I have no intentions of swapping my GPU, case and display for the time being. This are the other parts I'm looking into:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CKZZbj
What do you think?´
I intend to get into 3D modelling eventually, something I have been wanting to do for a while after getting to toy around with Zbrush at a friend's house. Other than that, simple webm making, gaming and random shit people do with their computers are some of the uses I intend to give to this build.
My main doubt is with the motherboard and RAM combo. I also wonder what kind of PSU would be ok, hard to tell without knowing what GPU I'll end up putting on it (I'm waiting for Vega, maybe it won't be shit).

>>61682471
Pls respond. My OCD is being retarded.

>>61682643
about 20-23c. likely 22c

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>>61682516

>>61682702
Those temps would not be unheard of, 1700 comes with a good stock heatsink. Do a stress test with adia64 or something and if it doesn't go above like 30c something is wrong

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>>61682142
I'm from the USA you mong, so I get the best prices.

Let's debunk your $2000 price.

CPU: $999
Mobo: $550
Vega GPU: $599
16GB RAM 3200: $200
SSD 512GB: $220
Case: $150
Monitor 4K: $500
PSU: $200
CPU Cooler: $89

Total: $3507 USD


I probably missed a bunch of shit. Do I need to go on?

Link the best video card under 250$ I can get for this build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YZJnRG

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did i mess up?

>>61682855
1050 ti

>>61682880
>750W PSU
Yes

>>61682903
why?

>>61682853
>being a poorfag
Rescind your citizenship immediately. I could cholera from replying shitty post.

Threadripper comes with a cooler
>buying RAM in a sellers market
Of course you didn't stock up
>not already owning multiple SSDs
>>>/g/tpg
>Case: $150
Just stop
>not already owning a 4k monitor
You're lucky I don't have my frog folder mounted
>PSU: $200
Hopefully the extra $100 is for steel cord

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>>61682786
After a short and sweet 5 minute run I got a max of 34c according to HWmonitor. What the honest fuck? My old 4690k at stock with a 240 AIO would have been at 40-50c. Is this just how good Ryzen is or is something fucked??

>>61682995
The themperature threadshold for ryzen is lower. Not saying much, but yeah, it is a cold running CPU unless you fuck around too much with the OC.

>>61682976
4k screens are shit, the VAST majority have fucked up response time.

>>61682976
Shut the fuck up nigger. My workstation already cost me around $3k and I'm pretty happy with it.

But you /g/ fags think Threadripper is super cheap and you need to KYS.

HEDT is not for everyone.

>>61682092
memes aside does anyone have any thoughts on what the best x399 mobo is? so far they all sound more or less the same

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>>61682976
>Not buying a Platinum P2 1000Watt EVGA PSU for an HEDT system

What are you poor?

>>61680933
Motherboard: TYAN S3992
CPU: AMD Opteron 2431 2.4GHz 6-Core
RAM: 16GB DDR2 ECC Kingston
GPU: ATI Radeon 5770
Storage: 50GB Samsung SSD + 1 TB WD blue
CPU fan: Not sure.
Case: Not sure
PSU: Not sure

Suggestions?

>>61683024
I'm honestly amazed by that temperature and relieved that it's normal. Thanks for the help.

I'm sorry if it's wrong thread, but can bios updates affect cpu oc? I'm not sure if I lost rng so hard, I can only reach 3.8ghz on my r5 1600.

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miners got all the ryzen 1200, 1300X, 1400 cpu's momments after it launched in my country

lol.
AMDrones BTFO

>>61683055
Libreboot is a meme

>>61683125
not a libreboot system

>>61682588
Skip the cooler and get a better psu, G2 or G3 are recommended usually. 3200 ram isn't that much more. Very meh monitor.

>>61681408
at least it's not that darn loonix

>>61682886
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MF7EQJZ/

Is this one a good choice?

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just bought my self a computer, did I do OK?

>>61683253
what are you using this PC for

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4bTVCJ
build this back in november 2014
what can i upgrade?
should i build a AMD machine with vega and ryzen?

>>61683261
videogames and surfing 4chan

>>61683253
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MF7EQJZ/

>7700k, 32gb ram 1080ti
>did I do OK?

no, could do better

So now that we know that Threadripper will have a 180W TDP is anyone here actually going to use one for a normal desktop PC? I mean that's better than the fx-9590 but nobody actually bought that CPU.

>>61683273
why do you need 32 GB of ram?

>>61683282

I'm waiting for 1900x, gonna buy it fore sure, best entry level into HEDT

>>61683284
cuz my old computer had 16, you should at least double right?

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>bought a new SSD to continue my gradual phasing out of HDDs
>chose same-day delivery since it was less than 10 bucks
>amazon sent somebody in a Prius to personally deliver it to my house in nothing but a bubblewrap envelope and the retail box

>>61683305
Not if you don't use more than 16GB

>>61683253
Your PC is the computer version of a generic blonde cheerleader. As a cum dumpster she gets the job done, but there's nothing special about her. That exact build has been done to death and it will serve you well, but it's nothing to brag about.

>>61683324
but I use chrome?

>>61683330
how could a pc ever be special? It's not a Mac.

>>61683340
I don't use chrome. How much ram could it possibly use that unless you are creating ramdisks, unning VMs or video editing you could need 32 GB of ram.

The captcha for this post was CALLE calle

>>61683273
What do you intend to do with 32 gb?
Why dual channel and not quad?
Why is it so slow?
You also only have 465GB of storage.

>core i5
>8 gb ram
>700 watt power supply
Is a 1080 ti going to work with this?

>>61683370
pcpartpicker tells you if you read it.

does freesync/gsync matter if my graphics card is good enough to almost never dip below 60 fps?

>>61683406
It's not a bad idea to consider a bit more than what it tells you, but yeah, that should give you a good ballpark idea and yes, 700 should be more than enough for most -reasonable- 1080ti builds.

>>61683245
looks alright. reviews seem good

Opened my case to install a drive and noticed some think plastic peeling off the GPU, took it off and noticed the removal label.
It's been there since I installed it a few weeks ago, and the GPU's never really gone above 50C, so I guess it's better now?

In my defense it was transparent as fuck.

>>61683887
Like, a sticker on the decorative plastic cover?

Poorfag's upgrade
>ryzen 1600 + AIO + 16GB 2667
>ryzen 1700 + 8GB 3000 (maybe 16gb 2400 on stock cooler)
I've a feeling that I will miss 16GB a lot since I'm using 6GB right now and I'm not even playing. But 1700 would be kinda nice to encode and that's it I guess, maybe 30m-1h shorter encoding time. Am I doing this right, guys?
Also, can't go higher than 3000 'cuz money, can't even reach 16gb 3000, AIO is just something to make temps better (mine does not have an AM4 upgrade kit).
MB will be MSI Mate / Mortar prob.

Also, I know that Ryzen benefits from OC RAM, but why BF1 does not?

>>61683330

i can smell the envy from here

the guy builds the best single-gpu gaming PC that money can put together right now and this guy, THIS GUY, wants to say that the computer is nothing special.

lol that computer is the PC equivalent of some busty IG model, but these guys will find any way to nitpick anything that doesn't fit in with the 'BUY AMD' mentality

>>61683908
No, seems to have been covering up the heatsink (except for a corner where it looks like the heat unbound it).

Computer illiterate here, I need a new PC to replace my old laptop. I talked to a friend about it and he recommended me ibuypower, as well as helping me put together a list based on my requirements. I just need a VR-capable PC that can run games on med to high.
Reading up on ibuypower though revealed that buying from them is essentially a hit or miss, lots of horror stories. I would prefer to build myself but I don't have the skill, knowledge, or time. Can anyone verify the company is legit or give a recommedation to another custom build site?
Case :: In Win 509 Gaming Case ASUS ROG
LED Fan Lighting :: Default Case Fan
Processor :: AMD FX 8320
Processor Cooling :: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooler - Standard 120mm Fan
Memory :: 16 GB [8 GB x2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module [AMD]DDR3-1866 ADATA XPG
Video Card :: AMD Radeon RX 580 - 8GB (VR-Ready) - Single Card
SLI Bridge :: None
Motherboard :: GIGABYTE GA-970-GAMING-SLI -- 2x PCI Express x16, 2x USB 3.1, 4x USB 3.0, 1x M.2, DDR3 Memory
Power Supply :: 1000 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Bronze
Primary Hard Drive :: 2 TB Hard Drive -- 64MB Cache, 7200RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Data Hard Drive :: 250 GB WD Blue SSD -- Read: 540MB/s, Write: 500MB/s - Single Drive
Sound Card :: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card :: Asus PCE-N15 Dual Band Network Card Up to 300 Mbps, 2.4GHz Band
As far as additional details go I'm told it's better to format the OS to the SSD and have the Hard drive serve as storage.

Cop or not? LG 24MP59G-P 24-Inch Gaming Monitor with FreeSync (2017) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XDY3SJF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_SKrGzbSVPR3N3

>>61683055
>opteron
>DDR2
>5770
why anon?

>>61681666

but most games only really use 4 cores, and 4 cores on an i7 are going to be stronger than 4 cores on a ryzen chip

and honestly if you're just building a computer for gaming, you'll have far fewer RAM/OS/installation headaches with an i7 than you would with a ryzen chip. not to mention more flexibility with motherboards and drivers

>>61683936
Oh, one of those things. Yeah, removing it is generally advised. Since it's floppy plastic the risk would've been the plastic melting, I think.

>>61683980
Didn't seem to have melted at all, so I guess I got lucky in noticing it before it became a problem.

I guess I can expect slightly lower temps.

>>61683951
>Processor :: AMD FX 8320
Don't do this. If you're getting a pre-built from ibuypower, get one of their AMD Ryzen systems. I recommend the Ryzen 5 1600 and the Ryzen 7 1700, bot with the Wraith Spire air cooler, and on an MSI Tomahawk motherboard

set thehard drive to one of their 240GB SSD + 2TB HDD combos

You don't need a sound card, or a network card. A wireless card is needed though if you plan to use wi-fi

choose the case you want

>>61683951
Forgot to mention I'm aiming for a <$1500 build, sorry about that.

>>61683976
explain why the i5 2500K gets beaten in gaming by the FX 8350
Games use what's available, and games ARE becoming ever more multi-threaded.

What's the best cooling option for a 7700k? it's the only thing that's holding up my build.

>>61683482
No

>>61684022

but today, in this moment, most games will use 4c8t rather than 8c16t

>>61683999
I tried googling some plastic melting temperatures and it actually seems that there was never a risk of the plastic melting - low density polyethelyne for example (probably what that plastic wrap is) takes until 110C to start melting.

>>61683976
Thing is, given a good GPU, you can run all the games at 60FPS+ of minimum with Ryzen and good RAM.
AM4 motherboards are also more affordable given similar set ups and dual-channel is more affordable and better suited for games than quad-channel equivalents.
If you ramp the resolution up, CPU becomes less relevant.
More modern games are starting to benefit from more cores.

>>61684050
Freesync/Gsync help with microstutter and screen tearing too.

>>61684055
Irrelevant when most games run just fine with Ryzen.

Thoughts? I already have the 7850.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cpz6WX

Where do you Europoors buy components? Do you save any significant amount of money by buying from the UK or Germany or something like that?

This is what I'm planning on but I don't know if I should bump up the RAM to 3000Mhz or not

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KKRVvV

>>61684075

so what you're saying is....

just wait

>>61684079
Forgot to mention that I can buy the 460 for cheap locally so GPU availabillity isn't an issue

>>61683171
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called " xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install " lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

>>61684085
Why wait when Ryzen GPUs above 1600 already run everything at 1080p @60 FPS without much of an issue?
The plus side is, in future release the difference with any intel CPU within the price range will be negligible or better.

>>61683956
I'm cheap. Whats wrong with those? DDR2 ECC is very cheap, Opterons are Ok and coast like 10$.

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>neet
>need to figure out how to make ~$200 in the next 2 weeks to afford vega

Is this the right place to ask about monitors?

newegg has an Acer K272HUL IPS (2k) model on sale right now, and I've been on the lookout all year for a 2k monitor that won't break the bank. this seems like a worthwhile prospect, being 2k/IPS. the only drawback I see is the 60hz refresh rate (is it really a drawback?).
Anyone have any experience with these or some advice for me here? should I just nab it considering the price $220?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009996&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL080117&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL080117-_-EMC-080117-Index-_-LCDLEDMonitors-_-24009996-S0&ignorebbr=1

My 80 year old grandfathers used core2 duo era optiplex running vista blew the fuck up.

Suggestions on how i should replace it so he can watch fishing videos and post typos on Facebook?

Something sub 200 and slim form factor is ideal.

I can salvage the HDD likely but the rest is garbage.

My grandmother is straight out of the depression era so the cheaper the better, I plan on justifying a new monitor to replace their 20 year old CRT by saying it'll use a ton less power.

He won't even be needing an optical drive but I'll salvage that anyway.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9nqHm8

>>61684183
Honestly just get another optiplex.

picked up a used gtx 980 for $150 (played a couple games on it before buying it) and plan to get a g4560, how bad will it bottleneck the 980?

first build and i couldnt pass that $150 980.

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Redpill me on pre-builts, /pcbg/. If you don't enjoy the hobby side of putting a computer together and figuring out how to make things work properly, is a pre-built like this so far below what you could do with parts?

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230100

I'm a poorfag looking at building a new system and I want an AM4 build because it has better future proofing, and according to this site AMDs Bristol Ridge APUs will be released August 18, but does anybody know how the actual iGPUs perform? I've read that it's better than Intels offering and I'm happy as long as I can play Overwatch on it.

https://www.caseking.de/en/amd-a10-9700-3-5-ghz-bristol-ridge-radeon-r7-sockel-am4-boxed-hpam-134.html

3570k oc to 4.3 here.
Thinking of upgrading soon, and was interested in the 1600x. How much of an improvement would this CPU be over the former?

>>61684281
not really much for gaming in single thread performance. but a lot better multi tasking performance and workstation tasks

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If I buy one of those cheap eBay Windows 10 keys will they work?

>>61684144
There's always freelance shit online.

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>>61684312
>that pic

anyway it's like buying a new battery off ebay

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>>61684332
So it's fine to do? I can just use the key to activate it once I have it installed?

say i bought a micro atx case but an atx motherboard fits inside it and has 5/9 mounting screws line up

anything physically wrong with laying it on its side so there's no stress on the other part of the mobo and hooking the psu up externally / leaving the drives out of the built in drive bay?

I ordered an i7-6850k for $150 from Intel Retail Edge's program last week. Should I just go ahead and build my system for it, or should I sell it and get a Coffee Lake CPU when it comes out?

>>61684258
Prebuilts are fine as long as you make sure you're not being scammed, and that model is a scam. 4GB DDR3 RAM and a CPU that was released in 2012. Something like this model is hard to beat even if you build it yourself.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-1400-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-580-1tb-hard-drive-black/5833100.p?skuId=5833100

>>61684342
You can just download the Windows 10 ISO and not activate it and use it as much as you want

>>61680933
gonna upgrade to x399. msi or gigabyte? asus and asrock both look like shit.

>>61684376
What about usb drive?

>>61684391
Yup, it's just like when you install Windows normally, you just don't activate it and can use it for free 100% legally

>>61682529
>Ryzen 3
>120 dollars
>G4560
>80 dollars

>Oy vey spend 10% more on a CPU when you budget is >500
Kill yourself Pajeet

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>>61684432
What if I want to activate it? You can't customize the theme and stuff

>>61684442
Then spend 5 to 20 dollars getting a legit key from a grey site.

>>61684442
You can activate it whenever you want but it's kinda pointless since it's only the customization features you're missing out on

>>61684313
for what
i have no valuable skills

>>61684468
>>61684472
K I'm going to get it working first then decide

>>61684434
>Buying a dual core desktop CPU in 2017
Fuck off juden, at least wait two weeks until the AM4 Bristol Ridge APUs are released

>>61684235
I'll probably end up doing that but I want to give him a few options and I like building pcs so I figured why now try a cheapo itx.

>>61684480
There are transcription jobs you can apply for online but the pay per hour blows dick

>>61684493
If you are on a >500 budget then you don't have a choice to you moron.

Might as well type shit like
>Not buying a server grade CPU in 2017
KYS

>>61684506
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zHMCRG

I said fuck off, your jewish tricks don't fly here.

>>61684500
>avg $250 a month
who the fuck would bother doing that
you may as well go lick urinals in mcdonalds clean and earn more

>>61684546
>sub 500 budget
>Gives a build that cost more than 500 dollars
Well done you cock sucker. Apparently you have shit for brains.

>>61680933
stupid question most likely but xeon or ryzen? what would be better for a 'workstation'?

>>61684364
That sounds like good advice, had no idea it was an old CPU. Could you find a pre-built that is up to your standard here in Canada? Newegg seems like the likeliest bet

>>61684578
If you can't spend literally 4 extra bucks to get a much better performing computer then you probably shouldn't be buying a new computer in the first place

>>61684580
might as well get an i9 at that point

>>61684592
A >500 budget isn't a 500 dollar you fucking imbecile. Apparently you can't read as well. Do you know what lesser than means?

Keep backpedalling faggot

>>61684611
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FMWcD8

Here, I fixed it for you since you seem to be on the spectrum, literally just changed the 500W PSU to a 450W PSU.

>>61684078
Bump

>>61684611
And you can't figure out > vs <

>>61684632
>1x8GB
$500 budget was a mistake

>>61684580
Threadripper

>>61684632
>Says people are on a spectrum
>Build a PC with R3 with 499 dollars
>That means everyone with a sub 500 dollar budget should get a R3
Holy shit are you fucking stupid

>>61684665
Also rebates!

>>61684364
I got that on sale @ $620 on a whim. I returned it. The PSU and motherboard are just total trash. It would just shit itself any time BIOS was open. Got a never ending cycle of blue screens when I turned on the XMP profile to adjust the RAM up to 2400. Your mileage may vary, but Christ I'd never recommend it to anyone.

The good thing about the G4560 is that it comes with a iGPU hence you don't need a GPU to use it. Meaning as long as you aren't gaming with it, it can save you upwards of 100s of dollars.

Anyway people shouldn't be gaming with 500 dollar builds, you are better off buying a console for that price.

The reason to build sub 500 dollar builds is for reasons like parents wanting a facebook machine, you needing a NAS frontend, etc.

The person shilling an R3 is fucking retarded.

>>61684722
Just look at the /v/ threads where they try to match performance and price.

>>61684665
>"Here I have X budget, build me a PC"
>Builds a PC under that budget
>"No that doesn't count because of reasons"
And if you have less than $500 to spend on a PC then you'd be a complete idiot to buy a PC new, anything below this isn't worth buying, especially not a dual core desktop CPU.

>>61684722
I just did it because he said it wasn't possible to build a R3 system for $500. If you have less than $500 to spend on a PC then either wait for this to be released which will have a fuckload better iGPU performance than a G4560 https://www.caseking.de/en/amd-a8-9600-3-1-ghz-bristol-ridge-radeon-r7-sockel-am4-boxed-hpam-136.html or buy a used Xeon workstation and put a GPU in it.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Build-Your-Own-HP-Z420-Workstation-6-Core-3-20GHz-E5-1650-No-OS-Wholesale-/172717197310?var=&hash=item2836bf47fe:m:mja8jjl-0g0qTWFLFvHUYcg

>>61684663
thinking about it also. though im not sure i really need all those cores but it'd be great futureproof. maybe the 1920x.

>>61684737
Price for performance the console will always come out ahead. The good thing about the PC is that performance is scalable with price but that isn't the point.

The G4560/4600 has it niche in the fact that it is sub 100 dollars and comes with a iGPU making it perfect for builds that are below 500 dollars. Not everyone needs a GPU for hurrdurr reasons.

>>61684774
>More wait™ memes
It is always the fucking same shit with you AMD shills. For all you know that CPU might have shit IPC and it is not like you need strong multicore for whatever reason you are using a sub 500 dollar build for.

JUST WAIT™ MY DUDES

Just Wait™!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUSTING WAITING™

>>61684815
don't have to
already built a $600 (after rebates) and am content

>>61684810
>For all you know that CPU might have shit IPC
...and? In what situations would you notice that? CPU performance in video games only matters if you're GPU bottlenecked which never happens unless you only play CS 1.6 at 640x480, and the iGPU on that CPU shits on the G4560 if you're going to run it without a GPU.

>>61684850
MY DUDES ™ YOU NEED TO WAIT™

JUST ™

SOME MORE

I think its time to upgrade from my Sandy Bridge/Kepler machine
Stuff 'Marked as Purchased' is what I can reuse from my current build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QdLcD8
What do you guys think?

>>61684860
>In what situations would you notice that?
Opening excel documents? Installing programs? You know stuff you do on a sub 500 dollar computer? The iGPU is only there for you to display onto the monitor.

>>61684866
>I can't wait two weeks to get a better CPU at $20 lower than the current king of budget CPUs
Do you have Downs? The only argument for getting the G4560 over the R3 is because the G4560 has an iGPU and this CPU completely nullifies that.

>>61684888
COME ON DUDE

Why™ aren't™ you™ WAITING™

>>61684888
What is the USD price?
Do they have motherboards out for this CPU yet? What are their prices?
Is it performance tied to RAM speed like Ryzen is? If so do you need to speed more on RAM?

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJKqZ8

Critique, please. Looking to play Nier Automata maxed settings, hoping to play games at high settings for a while with this. I honestly don't know what I'm doing though, I just tried to 'upgrade' a build suggestion someone gave me yesterday. Would it work? Is the power supply adequate?

>>61684951
>580
Good luck finding that in stock

>>61684885
If that's the only thing you're going to do at your computer then get this instead, €50 with a 3.5Ghz base and 3.8Ghz turbo, why the shit would you spend $80 for a CPU you're only going to run Excel on? Hell, you can do that on a Raspberry Pi or a $200 Chromebook and hook it up to an external monitor when you're at home.

https://www.caseking.de/en/amd-a6-9500-3-5-ghz-bristol-ridge-radeon-r5-sockel-am4-boxed-hpam-137.html

>>61684907
It's using the AM4 socket, same motherboards as Ryzen.

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>People are sperging out because they might not get the performance of $300+ hardware on sub $100 hardware

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How do I set up a XMP profile?

>>61684965
Shit, you're right. Do I have to wait until October or something?

>>61684951
>Nier
No chance until SE decides to fix it (if ever)

>>61684969
>More wait™ memes
It is always the same shit with you faggots.
Just wait. Please wait. Then it turns out to be another turd by AMD.

You know what? Fine. I refuse to spend more time arguing with a clear AMD shill. When those CPUs are released and the benchmarks are out which shows them beating the G4560/4600, we can replace them in the OP. For now the G4560/4600 is still the superior CPU for sub 500 dollar builds. Happy?

>>61685008
Just wait™ if you want anything AMD

>>61685011
Not sure what you mean.

>>61685046
Have you tried the PC port yet?

>>61685014
It doesn't need to beat the G4560, just perform adequately if the cost is $20 to $30 lower when the only reason for why you get the G4560 for turbo poorfag builds is because it has an iGPU. The iGPU in the AMD CPUs are miles ahead of Intel and AM4 has an infinitely better upgrade path and future proofing.

>>61684722
>you can't ever game on a sub 500 build
>you can't ever upgrade a sub 500 dollar build
>just buy a console piece of shit you can't upgrade and can only game on

Lol

>>61685070
Just wait™ okay? When it gets release then you can start shilling again.

>>61685081
>>>/v/

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>>61685085
You better start preparing your posts about how it's totally not a scam to charge $80 for a dual core desktop CPU in 2017, juden

>>61685109
Don't worry by that date the Vega benchmarks will be out and you will have your hands full trying to shill it.

>>61685126
I don't give a shit about Vega, I don't need anything that performs higher than a 580/1060

>>61685133
Who are you trying to fool AMD shill? You are probably writing down the excuses for Vega as we speak.

>>61681218
I have a dark rock 3 on a R7 1700X right now.

I idle between 40 and 45 C.

I've only OCed to 3.85, and it stabilizes around 82C, that was at 1.35 volts.

It is dead silent even at 100% speed, but I think the thermal paste included might suck, so consider getting some better paste for another 2-3C.

From what I've seen adding a fan for push/pull takes off only 1-2C from load.

Is the taichi worth it if I'm going with a R5 1600? I want a good motherboard for overclocking that I can throw a better AM4 chip in some years down the line.

>>61685193
You mean from the makers of the 4 months EOL board AssCock?

>>61685221
Is AsRock really that bad? I've done a lot of research and people everywhere are shilling the taichi as one of the better AM4 motherboards out right now.

>>61680933
How much radiator area do you need for a Threadripper+Vega64 build?

>>61685186
Hmm, might go liquid in that case.

>>61685242
Asrock started as a budget brand for somewhat decent motherboards. Somewhere down the road, they made quality motherboards while retaining their budget pricing hence boosting their rep but people forgot they are a budget brand. They were reminded of that fact when AssCock EOL a Ryzen board they released which was 4 months old.

>>61685242
asrock and gigabyte boards are the best value right now. The asrock boards seem a bit higher quality, and are a lot less gimmicky. Asus defiantly makes the best boards right now, but are prices as such.

>>61685272
They are good value till they EOL your board for no reason and you are SOL.

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5331&PN=12&title=x370-gaming-k4-new-bios-with-agesa-1006a

And it is not even a cheap B350 chipset. It is their fucking X370 chipset.

>>61685255
Yeah I'm getting higher temps than I expected, I may have done something incorrectly (not enough thermal paste, uneven tightening) or it might be due to a lack of airflow in my case, since it only has 1 in 1 out (fractal define C)

>>61685314
I watched a testing video for various fan layouts and 1+1 didn't perform much different at all from other layouts. The real kicker is when you put a liquid radiator in the front.

>>61685312
That's disappointing. Maybe I'll shell out an extra 40 bucks for the higher end ASUS motherboard then.

>>61685343
Can't go wrong with ASUS but like all taiwanese manufacturers if you have to RMA anything, prepare to get fucked. This applies to Asrock, MSI and gigabyte.

>>61685067
I haven't played the game yet, no, that's why I'm here, or at least one reason

>>61685369
The game hasn't been patched since release and there has been a host of issues with the games which are a hit or miss on some PCs. Personally I had no problem playing the entire game and didn't crash even once but there are reports of people having white screens, CTDs etc.

>>61685369
Major problems with the PC port
1. The game will natively render no higher than 1600x900. This can be fixed with a mod.
2. The game has terrible performance. This is due to the game engine rendering every light in the world regardless of whether or not its in view. This can be fixed by modifying .ini files.
3. For ~50% of people, the game crashes frequently (every 20min-2 hour) with no sure way to fix it.
Square Enix has yet to acknowledge any of these issues.
I recommend you pirate the game and hope it works on your system.

>>61685415
Despite all these problems the game is a fucking masterpiece and is worth playing at least once.

>>61685426
Agreed,
Even though I get a crash every few hours, I'm working my way through the game because it's honestly amazing, easily my favorite from this year.
I refuse to buy the actual game, but I might buy the OST. I hope Squeenix will release it on vinyl.

>>61685415
>>61685426
Honestly man, wondering if I should just get a PS4. The good graphics cards don't seem to be in stock to buy in Canada, unless I'm missing something here.

>>61685446
The OST is fucking great. Only minus is that it didn't have my favorite piece on it which was Kaine's salvation.

So is the Vega 56 total shit or good bang for buck? Hard to tell whats going on with total shitposting on both sides. Although doesn't help that AMD still being relatively hush hush on objective details as well.

>>61685449
>The good graphics cards don't seem to be in stock to buy in Canada, unless I'm missing something here.
It is in the OP
>Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
It is a global thing

>>61685459
Just wait™ for the benchmarks which is on the 14th of August.

>>61685449
6GB 1060s are starting to show up again

How are EVGA motherboards?
I was going to get an ASUS board, but I'm trying to buy American as much as possible.

>>61685472
I want a computer now though, not sometime whenever they get around to restocking

Help me find a pre-built in Canada, man. It's for a good cause. Watching 2-B's ass going up a ladder soothes the male soul. Are there any pre-built gaming PCs on Newegg that aren't shit?

>>61685343
Or just get a msi tomahawk/mortar and have zero issues.

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>>61685527
If the 1060 6GB are in stock, that is a good alternative to the 580.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/

>>61685527
If you don't mind something a bit old, you can pick up a 980 Ti for $300-350 on eBay right now and it'll perform comparably to a 1070.

How have I done? This is a complete setup, as in a desk, monitors, chair etc. Can't go above 500 for the rest, so I'm just aiming at 60@1080. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3MCdh

Worried about potential g4560 bottlenecking the gpu.

>>61685589
You should be more worried about your GPU being the bottleneck.

>>61685589
Anon your GPU a shit, that i3 won't bottleneck.

Also that i3 isn't cost effective either.

>>61685589
>aiming at 60@1080
Anon...

>>61685603
Huh? It's a decent card, a 980. I've seen it used just fine.

>>61685589
>poo fans for a dual core

W..what are you doing?

>>61685638
Look at the link you posted, you linked a gtx640 build

Is this some ruse?

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>have pc planned out 100%
>not enough money to buy it and probably wont for a couple more months

i5-6400 used for $130 y/n?

>>61685589
The board seems to be redirecting to a wrong list, dunno: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ 3MCdhq

>>61685653
Board is being a shit, look at the link and the one you end up being redirected to

>>61685674
With the board? yes
Without the board? no

>>61685707
Why not without the board?

>>61685459
impossible to tell unless you know the actual performance numbers and set in stone pricing and how the competition will react to this, even if everything went smoothly with Vega if Nvidia suddenly cut 1080 prices it wouldn't matter

>>61685723
Cause you can buy a R3 for 120 dollars new?

>>61685723
If you have the board already fine, if you have to buy one you may as well consider getting on the zen train and being on a solid upgrade path until 2020

When are GPUs going to be in stock again? This isn't funny anymore ;_;

Seriously, when? Next month?

>>61685914
Nvidia GPU are still in stock just overpriced.
AMD GPU will be out of stock for the foreseeable future.

When can i preorder rx vega

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>>61681973

>implying

>>61685951
14th

>>61685942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E935Od_J4fw

This is a song about how I feel

>>61684434
>120
no

>>61685982
You can pre-order the Vega without waiting for the benchmarks.

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>>61685957
>shilling

>>61685969
that's regular ordering
how do I ensure the shit doesnt get bought up in an instant?

Do you guys have any recommendations for a good laptop.

I'll be using it for light to medium gaming as well as drawing.

dead

>>61686102
Popular online retailers only allow you to order after 14th.
Check your local or regional retailer for more specifics.
I already ordered 5 Vega64 to test their mining capabilities.

Is there any reason to get an R7 1800x?

is 144hz without Gsync ok?

>>61686590
Not with Threadbrapper just a few days away. 64 fucking PCIe lanes, man.

>>61686676
Yes.

>>61686590
If you're on AM4 motherboard or you don't have the wattage for 180W TDP or you really care about inter-process/thread communication.

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Is this a good motherboard and a good price for this motherboard? I'm hoping to grab an R7 1700 when they are back in stock on amazon and I want to overclock to roughly 3.6-3.7ghz on all cores.

Also, is this good RAM for hitting 3200mhz?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4n648d/gskill-tridentz-series-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-16gtzkw

I checked this particular motherboard's QVL on the ASUS website but couldn't find this particular ram kit on it. I found some that had similar product numbers up until a few of the digits but they also had different kit sizes and I am just a little confused about which memory to pick.

>>61682932
750w is ok for 7-10 years, don't fall for that bait. But that Z270 is too much, change it for any b250m

Will my Seasonic platinum 660W be enough to power 1700 (will be OCed to 3.8 at least) and 1080 Ti? Rest of my build is more or less decided.

>>61686969
Yes.

>>61684075
60 fps

LMFAO

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What's annoying me is waiting for the next wave of RX 580's to come into stock, at decent prices. Fucking memecoin miners tho, when does anyone expect them to come back in stock at least? Or at least assume when the prices for the GTX 1060 equivalents to come down in price?

Canadian here stuck in the shitty Canadian market. How does this prebuilt stack up?

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102250

>>61686577
so i could just head down to best buy and order one later today?

>>61687326
No. But you can try calling that best buy and seeing if they have any pre-orders available. Official release is on the 14th.

>>61687305
>900 dollars for that piece of turd
Please no

>>61687110
Good to know. I can save bit of money by using my current one then.

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>>61680933
am tard. general web browser/skype. will be changing the g4600 to a g4560

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>>61687353
What about https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102272 ?

idk how much storage to get. kinda want 1tb but that bumps the price up by 100 or more if i buy new

>>61687399
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kq8Zbj
Here is one that I put together that is spec'd better and cost about the same.

>>61687397
get a case without a side window
windows are for ricing

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>>61687437
meant to post pic oops

>>61687439
oh god man why
whhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyy

>>61687463
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xMQynn
Here I improved it.
Changed it to a mATX
Changed the casing to a mATX one
Added a CPU cooler which you can remove saving you more money if you want to use the stock one.

>>61687502
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102250

How long would it be before this stopped running games flawlessly at 1080/60hz?

>>61687589
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DGg3Yr
Here is a superior build for 30 dollars more.
R5 1600 > Intel Core i5 6th Gen 6402P
More RAM
SSD included
1060 6GB > 480

>>61687653
Hm, that is a pretty good improvement. Are you sure it's compatible though? The PCpartpicker checker isn't perfect

>>61687711
I can guarantee everything is compatible minus the RAM cause I am too fucking lazy to go check the QVL. Just go check the QVL for the motherboard and get RAM around the same price. Everything else will work.

>>61687729
I asked this yesterday but I don't think I got an answer, doesn't something screw up if you mix Intel and AMD CPUs and GPUs?

>>61687765
No you don't.

Just got done putting together a pc with an msi b350m gaming plus motherboard.

I'm trying to boot windows 10 from a usb, but when I press enter on the usb from boot menu the screen flashes for an instant then just returns to the boot menu.

I just had to deal with putting together chinese parts. I really don't want to deal with pajeet code.

>>61687986
Faulty boot drive

ok, did i do good /g/?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XjDxBP

>>61688332
>>61688332
>>61688332
NEW

>>61681122
because 1600 exists thats why