Router Thread

it's decent if all you need is a basic router. The web based config can do a lot but some of the more advanced stuff requires you to ssh in. You'll also need to know something about vyatta since thats what edgerouter os is based off of. Also if you want to use POE passthru you'll need a different power adapter since the included one isn't strong enough for that.

Heh sorry kid. If you aren't running pfsense on an old machine as your router you are out of your league posting here

edgerouter os is based on vyatta
vyos is based on vyatta
edgerouter os is propriatary garbage on inferior hardware and vyos is an open source os you can install on any fucking thing youd ever want

wait for vyos 2.0 release and get a second hand pc and a switch

Where do I even start when it comes to learning about Routers/modems/ISPs?

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>>61669062
Asus has the solution for you: more antennas

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>>61669062
hail to the king

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>>61669509

This. The web config is just too user friendly. The performance isn't that bad (800Mbps+ if DPI turned off and hw nat enabled)

>>61669062
edgerouter lite and unifi ap ac lite somehow have been the most stable network gear I've owned. not a bad deal at all.

Get a machine with two NICs and run a dedicated router. The benefit is worth it and you can find pretty low-power mobos with embedded cpus

Ok I own the usg, and I've been using pfsense for like 10 years. The only reason i bought the usg is because I just moved and my 1u pfsense rack mount box is too loud where I need it and I now have gigabit internet and my atom board will only route 700mb/s. I would choose pfsense over ubiquiti any day. Ubiquiti is good solid gear, but pales is comparison to pfsense features.

That said, if you want to get your pretty graphs and stats wank on, get the usg not the erl, especially if you're going to pair it with an access point.

I just installed some of the in wall access points and they're pretty great.

>>61671140
Its a goddamn shame linksys got sold off and now sells overpriced useless garbage

>>61671167
>Unify
For people who want to feel like they have a managed device without having to manage it

>>61669062
Asus RT-N66U/RT-AC68U running Tomato.

>>61671354
it's even more sad that this old product is still selling well. They can't make a router that is as much of a tank as these again.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/07/the-wrt54gl-a-54mbps-router-from-2005-still-makes-millions-for-linksys/

you want a modem + access point. the access point acts as the router

>>61669062
Check to see if your current router supports third party firmware.

My router couldn't keep up with the amount of traffic I was putting through till I installed DD-WRT, never froze since.

>>61669062
I've got that one. Only downside is that it doesn't do standard PoE. Unless you need/want that, it's great.

>>61671372
What does Tomato offer that AsusWRT-Merlin doesn't?

>>61671441
You clearly have no idea

>>61671405
This article actually always makes me smile, especially how clueless the execs are about why it keeps selling

>>61669062
why have a basic router and dedicated access point over a wireless router? literally what is the benefit?

>>61672564
exactly, just buy a modem and a wireless router

>>61669062
> Is this + wireless AP the best router?
Not necessarily, but it is an option.

> I'm tired of shitty routers dropping internet randomly on a daily basis.
Install a decent firmware like OpenWRT on supported hardware. Can work from like $10-15 up.

Looking to replace my ISP issued router which has a shit ton a vulns. What do you guys recommend?

>>61671363
is unify shit?

>>61672746
Pick by support for OpenWRT or another firmware of your choice.

Maybe also have a look at smallnetbuilder.com. They're doing relevant measurements. You probably don't need the best throughput, US ISP generally don't go anywhere near it with their services.

>>61672596
>>61672564
are yall fucking serious or am i being trolled

lets assume youre just ignorant and not a complete dipshit

the ubiquity edge routers make fucking great firewalls, on par with pfsense. poe is something your faggot gamer modem/router is unlikely to provide support for, and even less likely to do it well.

an ap has a lot further coverage than your shitty modem router, and adding a second one in so i can drop off deadzones is another thing your modem router wont do, as bridging is usually not supported. it is on APs.

fucks sake.

>>61672997
you can bridge a wireless router.

>>61673069
NOT

ALL

fuck cunt learn to read

>>61673130
Then get one that does support bridging, dumb fuck.

>>61673270
hey guess what

thats an ubiquity edge router and an ubiquity ap.

>>61673287
hey guess what. I can just have just one fucking device that serves the purpose of both of those devices.

>>61673299
well actually

no you cant

if you can find me any modem router combo that supports bridging and has a firewall onpar with pfsense built in, youll be the winner!

>>61673315
doesn't windows 10 have a firewall built in?

>>61673495
>implying that will help when setting up my jumpbox
6/10, you got me. w10 was too obvious though.

What do you guys even do with that much bandwidth? Or you really want an amazing router? For what purpose?

>>61669062
I prefer mikrotiks as routers, ubiquiti is a good ap though

>>61674030
sharehouse filled with 20 year olds

>>61672997
Ubiquity APs generally provide the same or even less coverage than your average consumer router. They are made for reliability not speed or insane range. The uap-ac-lr model does have better than average range, however.

In a large deployment you don't necessarily want the APs to have long range because you don't want them interfering with each other.

The routers don't have poe because that's what switches are for. It would be nice if the USG could be POE powered though.

>>61671167
>800Mbps+ if DPI turned off and hw nat enabled
guess my search for my new router continues.

I need 1gbps WAN throughput and so many routers fall short by at least a hundred mbps, sometimes more.

>>61675084
I have the usg and it does 1gb/s with dpi on. You cannot enable qos, though. If you need qos and 1gb/s you're going to need beefy xeons and pfsense or something expensive from Cisco, juniper, etc.

>>61674981
>They are made for reliability not speed or insane range
>implying that's a bad thing to have

>>61675117
I've seen the USG struggle to break 800mbps without DPI.

>>61675181
>>61675117
Unless you're talking about the USG-Pro4

>>61675084
Good discussion here about erl and usg performance. I think they've fixed the usg issues but still you might be 30-40mb/s short of full gigabit.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Routing-Switching/Gigabit-ISP-USG-slowing-me-down/td-p/1306780/page/2

>>61675130
I didn't imply reliability is bad. For me it's much preferred over some bechmark porn.

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>>61675181
With dpi on apparently

>>61675248
Seems like it was fixed for a bit, then not fixed again, i assume for the current firmware it has been fixed, but even so. This late in the product cycle I'm tempted to wait it out and see if they release a new USG with more advanced hardware, as the USG has been unchanged hardware-wise since ~2014.

>>61675370
Probably a good bet. I'm thinking about running my cable line into my garage where my server is and then just vietualizing pfsense.

>>61675483
Yeah, my other idea is to pick up a barebones i3 or i5 server, throw in an SSD and run PFsense.

Cost would be significantly higher than a USG, but the capabilities would be greatly increased, and performance would of course destroy the USG.

I'm still a slavcuck getting my net off ADSL Annex A, what modem should I get?

>>61675602
>ADSL Annex A, what modem should I get?
does it matter?

ADSL Annex A caps out at ~12mbps down and 1.3mbps up. Pretty much any ADSL router from the last decade should work.

>>61669062
maybe not necessarily that particular make or model, but dedicated wired router + decent AP performs better than any all-in-one for less money.

Ubiquiti gets a lot of shit here, but they sell reliable gigabit routers at under $100, which you honestly can't beat on price unless you have a decommissioned (free) workstation to sacrifice.

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My ISP sent me a free router a few years ago and it works fine

I'm getting the Edgerouter X and AP just because I want stability over seemingly hit or miss consumer wifi router combos. I don't need super high end features and advanced configuration things, but i'll be damned if I gamble again on another all in one that starts dropping service randomly after a couple years.

Hey /g/uys

Whats the best AP to connect to an ISP router for a restaurant with 30-40 consumers?

We have a 50mbps speed and i think thats enought.

Also, it should have a flashable firmware so i can configure a captive portal.

Any thoughts?

>>61677637
hopefully someone with more experience can chime in, but from my limited research, ubiquiti seems to be the way to go, they also have configurable captive portals, although you may need a "cloud key" to set that up, or a pc to run the program.

>>61675314
Hallo fellow Texan

>>61671084
I still don't understand how this helps. Does anyone know? Are all those antennas directional underneath those boxes? Even if they were, why not just put 8x the power into a single omnidirectional antenna?

>>61672777
have an edge router and a apac pro

my old consumer routers would crash and need resetting every few days

my edge router has never crashed in the year or so I had it, and only had the access point crash once because of a brown out.

>>61677680
Thanks m8, i appreciate your info.

By configurable captive portal you mean that i can upload my own html pages?

I also hope someone with more experience can help.

>>61677750
i'm not sure, I only saw that it was an option, and even provided options for paid access.

I only own TP-Link stuff.

>>61673315
Anything with openwrt

>>61671084
This some gate to oblivion?

>>61677867
Nice 8 digit keyspace

Literally in within a minute.

>>61677734

>my edge router has never crashed in the year or so I had it

hen you aren't pushing it hard, I have a stack on my desk that I need to replace the USB drive they use for storage because they all seem to die about 1.5 - 2 years after we deply them.

The other issue is that when you have a bunch of routes and firewall rules on them boot times are astronomical.

>>61669559
This

>>61678230
>I need to replace the USB drive they use for storage
the router died, or the USB stick died?

>>61671869
>Asus RT-N66U/RT-AC68U running Tomato
Running RT-N66U with merlin, would also like to know.

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>>61669062
>I'm tired of shitty routers dropping internet randomly on a daily basis.
What routers have you used?

my shitty 10€ TP-LINK WR841 never drops connection randomly, and thinking of it, never did any other cheap router I ever had

>>61678412
>What routers have you used?
right now, a "Cisco" Lynksis E3200. prior to that, a stupid netgear piece of garbage.

>>61677711
marketed to gamers

>>61677711
each antenna can simultaneously send data, rather than one antenna sending packets of data one at a time.

>>61678262

I've had both the mainboard and the USB drive die, although, 9/10 its the USB drive

>>61678412
WR841N is fucking goat.
I'm using a few modified ones for industrial applications

>>61669062
>Router Thread
>posts switch

>>61669559
>pfsense
>he isnt using shorewall to configure iptables and manage zones

>>61682402
don't you think it's odd that the company named a "switch" the "edgerouter X"?

>>61674059
Are refurbished mikrotik routerboards any good today?

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>>61677711
There;s a legally mandated maximum output power. Some countries have a higher limit than others but none are very high.

>>61669559
>using vulnerable freetard garbage
Sweetie, if you haven't switched to Untangle you're on the wrong side of the digital divide.

>>61669509
>>61671167
>>61675084
Uh, I'm able to push gigabit from one machine to another on the same network, or are you talking about over WAN?

>>61682795
The RB750 is still good today. But if you have 100Mbit internet service it is just barely capable of squeaking out around 90Mbit/s through the firewall depending on your configuration.

>>61678412
it might happen if you download torrents with dht or use something else that opens many connections. cheap routers have only 32mb ram and at least half of that is used after booting and they have some shitty mips/arm cpu that gets overloaded by almost everything..

>>61672564
>>61672596
They both do their jobs independently well. Not to mention the unifi wap can brought online as a group and do some pretty nice stuff completely independent of the router and work as a single unit doing hand offs, multiple vlans, captive portal networks, etc.

Not to mention if one shits the bed you're not out for everything else.

>>61673069
and it's not going to be as good or as reliable as something whose purpose is dedicated to being a wap

we have a decent router running dd-wrt as a wap, it's mediocre at best, a single $70 unifi wap not only replaces it but outdoes it tenfold

>>61674030
Streaming in home from plex is the big one for me. Having a non-shit router and wap makes things less painful.

This thread is called /RAPE/

>>61682862
>legally mandated
Kek.
Nothing is stopping you from pushing 1 watt from a transmitter into a 34dbi dish.
Should be good for 23 fucking times the legal limit of 5ghz.

>>61683076
Autistic ham radio nerds will trilaterate your position and report you to the FCC, and then you're truly fucked

>>61683148
why would those old faggots care about wifi networks

>>61683183
i bet a sizable monitor all kinds of bands for no good reason

>>61683148
>keeping a high power transmission up long enough to get the fccs attention
For what purpose

>>61682912
WAN throughput

>>61671084
i know people use asus routers are meme's but i've been using one since 2015, kept up with its firmware updates, and have had ZERO issues with it. i forget its model, but its like your pic related but four antennas instead of eight. black with alter like antennas.

i don't have gig internet, but it handles my 350mbps connection without a hitch. i have my cisco 1gb switch connected to it which handles all my lan stuff so i just use it as my access point to the internets and its wifi for my wireless. and everything plays well.

>>61683596
asus and TP-link seem to be the most well regarded consumer-grade routers lately.

>>61678142
It's a replicator

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>>61671084

>>61682598
I find it add that someone would spend $70 on a 5port gigabit "router" with no wifi.

>>61684204
Because standalone units generally offer better performance for your $.

Get a standalone router with a wireless access point separate and you get higher reliability, and generally superior performance for the total money spent.

>>61684221
Of course then the question arises whether you really need that performance for your basement with maybe 3 devices.

>>61684257
Some of us have lives, some of us have families. My household has 10-15 wifi devices at any given time. Further, I have 1gbps fiber internet, having a high quality router is essential, and since most router wifi combo units have shit WAN throughput unless you're spending out the ass, it's cheaper to get just a router, and access points wherever i need the wireless coverage.

Also having independent access points more easily allows me to set up my wireless network in a manner that is most beneficial for my specific living situation (I have a small AP for upstairs, a larger AP in the basement, and another large AP outside for my backyard.).

No single router would have the wireless range to cover all of that space.

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>mfw just ran network in my recently purchased house
>mfw decided to replace WRT54gl with EdgeRouter X so I could have gigabit all the way to the modem
I am having a hard time with firewalls. With dd-wrt and tomato I could easily block IPs from accessing the WAN. It took me two hours last night to get the same thing to work.

pic related works, but adding another rule on WAN_OUT and dropping the packets from the server didn't work. Problem is, this way I can't use address groups and this method isn't scalable if I want to disable WAN access to more machines.

Is the Linksys WRT1900AC a good router?
I figured it was made in the image of the gold standard WRT54G router that's lasted me since 2001, this new one HAS to be better in every regard, right??

>>61684296
>10-15 wifi devices at any given time

Please list them.

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>>61684430
just for fun, pic related, my new network

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>>61684447
its okay, early firmware revisions had somewhat shit WAN throughput, but i've heard it's improved a bit since. Wouldn't be an issue for most people since they don't have internet over 100-200mbps anyway.


>>61684467
5 phones:
>Galaxy S6
>Galaxy Note5
>Galaxy Note5
>Galaxy Note5
>Galaxy S7 Edge

3 tablets:
>2 older gen ipads (3rd or 4th gen)
>1 Microsoft Surface pro 3

>5 laptops
T420
X220
T540
X240
Older Sony Viao laptop

Also have some Rokus on the TVs hooked up. 3 of em. So that's 16 right there. Though not all are always connected, the phones, tablets, and the Rokus are pretty much always, the laptops less regularly, but usually at least 1 or 2 at a time.

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>>61669062

Get a routerboard. Stay away from ubiquiti junk. Also, if you live near other people try to co-ordinate so that you don't overlap wifi channels, this normally is what causes connectify issues.

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>>61684503
Nice rack.

>>61683148
This

You gonna get vanned super quick

>>61678925
Thats not right at all lol

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>>61669062

Current setup is PCEngines APU2 as both router and WAP running LEDE. A Netgear switch downstream feeds all the wired stuff in the media cabinet (NAS, media pc, etc). Wifi is an Atheros QCA9882 mini PCIe card, so it's fast but you have to get the damned Ath10k driver to work. Since it won't do simultaneous dual band, it's set to 5GHz until I find something to populate the other mPCIe slot.

The original setup was a TPLink Archer C7 v2, but my ISP requires vlan tagging and CoS bit marking on upstream traffic. The crappy little MIPS CPU in it could only manage 350Mbit/s WAN-LAN doing all that extra work. I tried using a GS108T switch to handle vlan tagging and CoS, but that only got it up to around 450Mbit/s throughput, which is still pathetic.

I'm happy to report that even a weak x86 board will happily do vlan tagging and CoS bit marking routing WAN-LAN traffic at 950+ Mbit/s. I wish I could report a full 1Gb/s, but the test PC has a shitty Realtek NIC that can't quite manage it.

>>61686374
>routing WAN-LAN traffic at 950+ Mbit/s. I wish I could report a full 1Gb/s, but the test PC has a shitty Realtek NIC that can't quite manage it.
TCP/IP packet overhead is 5.5% without changing to Jumbo Frames, which your ISP likely doesn't support.

So the max throughput you'll see is going to be 945-950mbps.

>>61682924
Thanks anon. I understand why they so are cheap now.

>>61683148
There's some crazy guy with a Ham radio right across the street. He would track me down pretty fast. I'm pretty sure he already knows exactly when I use my microwave

Question to anyone who knows how. I'm using a linksys WRT1900ACS. I have some dead zones in my house that I've been using a netgear nighthawk x4 extender for, but it's not ideal as it puts my devices on a subset network that can't see the parent. What's the most effective way to boost my signal? I've been considering getting larger antennae as well as flashing dd wrt and boosting the power, but I'm not sure which is going to give me more bang for the time/money put into it. Also i've been hesitant on ddwrt because I currently have a precariously set up set of network drive permissions on a linux machine and I really like the stock firmwares ability to set up an ftp server on the fly.

>>61684579
my neighbors are assholes and blast 2.4 and 5ghz very very strong above my living room. What's the best way I can make them suffer?

The cable to their apt is right next to my window, i've been thinking about cutting it and smashing the ends to make it look like something chewed through it. But then I just have to keep doing that. It would be better if I could create noise on the same channel as their wifi to reduce the strength

dedicated modem/firewall/switch/wifiAP is king

it allows you to upgrade components as they fail or new standards come out (like AC wifi) instead of replacing a modem+router all in one itself

>>61687957
I wanted to set up a powerline adapter to a switch in my other room, but i think my switch is busted. Once I get that shit set up it will be so nice

>>61684296
>I bought a juicero: the post

>>61684296
who told the Mormons about 4chan

>>61688177

the funny thing is that anon probably bought all that equipment for around the same price of one of those abominable Asus imperial walkers.

>>61671063
I also want to learn more about this.

>>61688177
>t. Poor flyover thinks anyone spending money is a pompous yuppie

Good luck in life anon

>>61669559
pfsense is great for the price, wish i had a smaller low voltage pc for it, hate doing a whole core2duo just for a router. (plus, seems my old expired watchguard still has more options on it, heck even dd-wrt ain't bad.)

>>61669559
stupidest meme. why take *bsd and throw shitty uis and bloat all over it and call is router replacement software
you're just new age frogposters

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Is it best to use a router+AP like pic related or separate devices? What are the advantages/disadvantages?

>>61687870
You could just leave a RPI with a WiFi dongle deauthing them forever. That's atleast piss them off with random dropouts.

>>61691141
Most combined devices blow their manufacturing budget on radio that sound great on paper (but never hit their theoretical throughput limits) and skimp on the actual routing hardware.

Not a problem for most people with sub-100Mbps WANs, but when you start doing things like segregating your LANs and WLANs, you can easily get bottlenecked by anemic hardware.

>>61691602
or god forbid you are lucky enough to get an ISP that delivers true 1gbps service.

90% of the consumer routers out there simply can't achieve more than 700-800mbps WAN/LAN throughput, and that's with NAT acceleration on and QoS and everything else turned off.

>>61671063
>>61690392
There is a reason most people use an off the shelf router like netgear, if you want to get a bit more fancy, use one that supports DD-WRT (but most people don't need what it adds)

>>61671441
disgusting

>>61672564
Even an older watchguard/sonicwall will let you block outgoing traffic easier, plus you can monitor traffic easier, it's just a way better firewall than your walmart router.

>>61676057
A lot of people just need internet and maybe port forwarding, if you don't need more stuff, it probably does work fine.

>>61684204
My company spent $3000 on a router and it doesn't have wifi...
(some people think routers should route, access points should wifi, and switches should cat5... but small networks can have one device do all 3.)

>>61692064
Just like your entire life...

>>61684296
I have 100 users at a site on 25 meg internet with voip phones. QoS and VLANs do quite a bit, but i hear ya, and it would be nice.

>>61684467
heck, I'm single and at my house I have 3 PC's, rasp pi, laptop, 2 IP cams, IP phone, Yamaha receiver, LG TV, Xbox, Wii, Roku, Alarm system, DVR system, HDhomerun, cell phone, tablet, Insteon home automation, Garage door, and I'm sure other stuff I forgot.. (thermostat soon I bet...) One of my sales guys is a grandpa, so between his, his wife, and his kids computer, phones, and tablets, and gaming crap, printers, he even has quite a few.

>>61691141
Pros, saves deskspace and power? might have better stability since they are designed to work together.
Cons, if one goes, you are done, if you want to upgrade your wifi (N? AC? whatevers next?) you have to upgrade whole thing, there are so many cons, I'd never do it, but some people want all in one PCs, some want standard.

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>>61686374
Keep thinking of something like this, but $200 for hardware on my router seems a bit much. (But not sure I want a giant, power hungry, old PC to do it either)

"Fanless-Mini-PC-Barebone-4-Lan-4-USB-HD-COM-Intel-Celeron-Broadwell-3215U-CPU"

That's a switch