/wt/ - Watch Thread

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What've you got in the mail, wt?

D A N I
S E I K O S H A

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Someone pls sell me a Speedy 3570.50, thanks

>>61667622
>Ruining, your watch by, manually hacking it

>>61667677
Feel free to explain how it ruins your watch.

>>61667697
some other guy already did

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I know the answer is no, but are there any modern watch companies making a watch in the 34-35mm range that doesn't cost as much as a college education and isn't ugly?

I've got my fill of vintage and I want something trustworthy that I can wear when it's raining out and not have a heart attack, but it seems that the technology to make decent looking watches that don't cost $10k was lost some time in the 1960s. I was looking at SARBs but those are still too big. I guess worst case I get a quartz but even those are mostly ugly as fuck.

>>61667443
in-house literally means in-house
not from some supplier that you co-founded but don't own

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>>61667760
consider a seiko dolce. Quartz, but high-accuracy thermocompensated quartz good to 10spy, might nicer than your standard mall quartz.

>>61667760
Datejust

>>61667719
When? Some other day? Or recently? I haven't read all of the last thread but I did a CTRL+F for cannon, pinion and crown. I don't see anyone mention about how it works.

But it does not ruin your watch. People have been doing it for a long time because it works. There are literally many watches, that are older than the people in this thread, that have been hacked in such a way their entire life and may still outlast us.

There's also a reason manufacturers, like Omega, even tell you how to do it in the manual.

It hurting the watch is probably a marketing rumor created by people selling watches with hacking mechanisms. Because it does not "ruin" a watch, not even a little.

>>61667760
DW

>>61667835
>falling for the DWmeme

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>>61667798
Yeah, that's on my list. The things that make me hesitate are the horrible black thing on the crown, the humungous DOLCE on the dial, and the center seconds (really don't want that on a quartz)

Some years back there was a nice Citizen that was pretty close to being perfect (other than saying "Eco Drive" which was forgiveable). 36mm so just a bit over but also forgiveable.

No horrible one tick per second hand (none at all in fact), small slim and functional. Would have been a perfect beater watch.

But they're all gone.

>>61667835
I'd rather just not wear a watch. I'd rather cut my arm off, in fact.

>>61667877
>>61667798
Oh also the odd lug size, and the godawful strap. I'd have to budget another $120 or so for a custom strap, and that's getting pretty close to $500 at that point. I'm not too picky at $200 but at $500 it starts to get into "real watch" territory.

>>61667820
>There are literally many watches, that are older than the people in this thread, that have been hacked in such a way their entire life and may still outlast us.
now you are even spreading bullshit about how mechanical watches need no servicing.

>There's also a reason manufacturers, like Omega, even tell you how to do it in the manual.
there's a reason other's don't, too

>It hurting the watch is probably a marketing rumor created by people selling watches with hacking mechanisms. Because it does not "ruin" a watch, not even a little.
so you didn't even read the bible:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Xdl9CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA184&dq="setting+the+hands+backwards"

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>currently waiting for my newest shitter in the mail

>>61667980
>now you are even spreading bullshit about how mechanical watches need no servicing.
I'm sorry you're not able to understand that outlasting us doesn't mean they are never serviced.

>https://books.google.com/books?id=Xdl9CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA184&dq="setting+the+hands+backwards"
What this says is that if you have the seconds hand already set, don't turn it backwards because it will stop. In this case stopping isn't wanted, because it's showing how to set a watch to the correct time to the second when starting from an unwound position. But in the case we're actually speaking about, it is wanted to stop the second hand.. you know, hacking?

Nothing on this page suggests that hacking is directly harmful. The only thing it mentions is a special consideration for large, heavy balance wheels and delicate jewel pins (why you'd undersize a jewel pin and oversize the balance wheel is a different question) when trying to speed up the watch by knocking the backing, where you're basically increasing the amplitude so that it bounces off the back of the lever instead of coming to a slow stop before reversing direction.

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>>61667895
bought this DW fake, what do you think?

>>61667773
They did own it you ignorant pleb. And just because others had partial ownership doesn't mean it wasn't a movement rolex designed and built at their own facility for themselves.. try arguing with anyone on earth that the 3155 is not an in house movement and i can guarantee anyone with any sort of knowledge will call you a fucking idiot.

>>61668157
what shitter you get a Seiko?

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>>61668197
Better DW fake coming through.

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>/wt/ is arguing over whether the 3155 is in house or not

I love this place. So much better than WUS and leddit

>>61668338
they did not own it.
they didn't even have a minority stake.
read the press statement from 2004.
http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/2004-04-02_301.html

>>61668541
Not an argument.

>>61668160
>I'm sorry you're not able to understand that outlasting us doesn't mean they are never serviced.
what's your definition of ruined then if it's not 'needs servicing'?
servicing can fix basically everything.

>>61668560
Holy fuck you are retarded. It was run as two separate entities. One entity had a stake in the other.. a very large stake just prior to full legal ownership. THEY FUCKING FOUNDED THE COMPANY THEY FINISHED BUYING. They fucking are Rolex.. they designed and produced ROLEX IN HOUSE movements from the very fucking beginning. You dumb mother fucker.

>>61668641
The main component of servicing is cleaning and re-lubricating components.

And watches need serving regardless of you hacking them or not. Hacking them is literally an unrelated issue.

>>61668668
BINGO

ANY watchmaker will tell you exactly this. PERIOD.

>>61668653
>One entity had a stake in the other.. a very large stake just prior to full legal ownership.
the press release says otherwise:
you would not need to build up a minority stake if you already had one.

stop repeating your bullshit w/o sources.

>>61668756
THEY FUCKING COFOUNDED THE FACILITY.. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Prior to merger it was basically just a rolex facility anyway.. you are a fucking idiot.. that press release says almost nothing.. go find financial statements you fucking faggot.

>>61668776
>Go find financial statements
Lmao good luck, Rolex is owned by a shell """nonprofit charity""" and the Swiss are not known for transparency.

>>61668668
can you please answer the actual question?

could i say the following about knocking:
>But it does not ruin your watch. People have been doing it for a long time because it works. There are literally many watches, that are older than the people in this thread, that have been knocked their entire life and may still outlast us.

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>>61668872
>can you please answer the actual question?
You want me to explain to you what "ruin" means?

It means pic related. It means fucking destroyed.

It does NOT mean, "It does nothing, so take take it to get serviced on your normal servicing schedule because it doesn't matter."

>>61668776
your bullshit is the one that's contrary to the official press statement, that literally says:
>The operation will take place through the acquisition of a minority shareholding by Rolex SA in Rolex Bienne Holding.
so you are the one to have to prove your extraordinary claim.

>>61667760
Well waterproof wise the best midsize diver on the market is the 36mm Omega Seamaster. You could probably even get a mid 00's one and get the seals and gaskets checked.

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>>61669015
>36mm
>"midsize"

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>>61667660
My next shitter

>>61668917
>http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/2004-04-02_301.html
"acquisition of a minority shareholding by Rolex SA in Rolex Bienne Holding. "

Rolex is buying a minority share from Rolex to buy Rolex...

you are both retarded... congratulations.

>>61669036
Never really questioned why we do say "midsize" for watches like this or the SKX013. Guess I will start saying smaller. Anyways tried it on in a store and it is really nice and only 11mm thin. Debating getting that or a Speedmaster professional as a graduation gift.

>>61669046
If the hands were not so large and the case was not so large and it wasn't as expensive as it is... I would totally get one..

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>>61668197
>>61668418
not as minimal as DW
better get this fake

>>61668641
You are not addressing the fact that nineball says the book does not actually claim what you said it did and you are now diverting the question.

>>61669143
midsize = 30-32mm

>>61669154
I actually really prefer the hands on this model to those on the new samurai for example. The lug to lug is also smaller than the mako XL, and so far my experience with Seikos has been wearing small, so I'm not too worried. Also got it in great condition used, so it wasn't too expensive.

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Alright let's get some shit straight. The topic is hacking by applying backwards pressure on the crown: Fine practice VS don't do it. Nineball stands for fine. Some other anons say dont do it.

Anons are quoted saying

>balance wheel is still engaged and wants to move the gear train forward when it's non-hacking, but keyless work goes backwards. that's some unneeded stress for the movement.

Nineball says

>You don't need a dedicated hacking mechanism, if you put backwards pressure on the crown you can "hack" the watch. So even if you insist the second hand must be correct, simply not having a hacking mechanism doesn't prevent that.

Anon attempts to link a book (https://books.google.com/books?id=Xdl9CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA184&dq="setting+the+hands+backwards") but it appears they misinterpreted what it was saying as nineball says

>What this says is that if you have the seconds hand already set, don't turn it backwards because it will stop. In this case stopping isn't wanted, because it's showing how to set a watch to the correct time


No rebuttal from the other side so far.


Alright which one fucking is it? Should we hack by applying backwards pressure?

>>61669252
>44mm

post a pic when you get it.

>>61669181
the book instructs you how to set the time correctly.
people following that advice is not some evil marketing conspiracy theory against back-hacking.

>>61669307
>Alright which one fucking is it?
when in doubt follow the manual, not random faggots

>>61669252
yeah it is not as big as people think, lugs hug the wrist well also

>>61669307
I don't care what anyone says.. you can just look at how the system works. putting backwards pressure on the crown stresses the movement. It could work out but it could also clearly harm the movement. I would not do it to my own watches but I only have one none hacking watch and its a vostok.. so you do what you want. I was not either of the arguing parties but i can definitely say mechanically backwards pressure to stop the seconds hand is sub-optimal at best.

>>61669391
BUT ANON SOME FAGGOT ON A WATCH BOARD KNOWS BETTER THAN THE ENGINEERS THAT DESIGNED THE MOVEMENT.

>>61669404
>worrying about wrecking a vostok
There is nothing to wreck, sperg

>>61669307
Wish I could get a poster of a Lange movement like this

>>61669455
you could just make your own.
no print services around?

>>61669314
> >44mm
Want me to post a turtle pic when I wake up tomorrow? I'll post a photo when it arrives.

Considering the strapcode angus jubilee, anyone have experience with it.

Thinking of getting a Seiko 5 as a shitter, thoughts on one of these cheapo automatics?

>>61669650
The strapcode jubilee is the most comfy bracelet option for the turtle besides maybe mesh. The stock bracelet is clunky.

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>>61669391
manuals generally are either not going to comment on it or will advise you how to do it. See pic related.

>>61669404
>putting backwards pressure on the crown stresses the movement
Feel free to explain how.

>>61669612
What kind of resolution do I need? Not finding a lot of success looking for 12x18@300dpi images.

>>61669693
Sorry that I wasn't clear, I meant jubilee for the sumo. Thank you for the input though.

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>>61669670
Get this instead

>>61669715
The gear you are stopping is still supposed to be in motion.. what is confusing about that? You are putting pressure on the gear train.

>>61669492
Nelson Mandela and the blacks that were elected are commies. If you elect communists, you will suffer.

>>61669755
An escapement continuously starts and stops the geartrain, and keeps it stopped most of the time. A gear train is not "suppose to be in motion," it's actually generally suppose to be stopped, but then allowed forward at interval. Unless you have a spring drive, then it's not stopped.

>>61669799
So is spring drive kind of the opposite of a remontoire?

>>61669799
Fuck off ninefag

>>61669831
Well, I would think it is more similar than opposite, but a spring drive is more than a remontoire, because a remontoire tries to increase accuracy by reducing variance caused by a main spring winding down, but doesn't actually replace the escapement like a spring drive.

>>61669307
>>61669404
When you turn the crown backwards basically what happens is that you cancel out the force from the mainspring. for as far as I know this doesnt cause any Harm through normal everyday use

>>61669799
Indeed, communism isn't doing so well in South Africa. They should go back to apartheid.

I live in a communist country? Thanks for telling me. l would never have known.

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Tfw batterymonkey

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my new daily beater for around $90

I want an omega globemaster.

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>>61672555
>Rayovac
>Becocell (???)
>???
Have fun never having any real watchfag customers. Because none of them will ever put that garbage in any of their watches.

>>61669715
Vostok manuals also tell you to reverse-hack.

best for around $200-300

>>61673843
SARB of your choice.

>>61672851
Dont worry anon theyre quality batteries. We mostly do mechanicals anyway, Im not an actual batterymonkey lol

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R8 my shitters and post your collections.

>tfw 50% slavshit

>>61673854
Three lies in a row, nice.

>>61673865
>DOGSHIT
>good
>ugly but good
>good, but meme
>if original mechanical then good, if Pinoy quartz then shit
>good commie Bauhaus aesthetic
>ugly as sin
>ugly bezel
>franken
>deformed incestuous rape child of an Amphibia and a Kirov

180 budget, want something minimal but also functional

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>>61673915
>ugly as sin

Come on, this beauty has a classic design found in WW2 Tutima, Glashütte and Hanhart chronographs. The Russians started doing those after the occupation of eastern Germany. It's definitely not ugly.

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>>61673865

>>61673977
The real uggo part is the bezel. Change that or make it finer/smaller and it's alright.

But at least it's a mechanical chronograph and not some cheap Miyota chrono, so wear it in good health I guess.

>>61673994

Throw out everything but the omegas, seiko quartz and pocket/stop watches.

>>61674048
>>61673994

Oh and the accutron obv.

>>61674048
>throw out the longines

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I want a shitter. I mean a complete shitter. is this ok for a $50 budget?

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>>61673994

throw out everything else

>>61673877
Believe in what you want to believe anon. pic related is a hairspring I fixed up today

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>>61674214
Forgot pic

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>>61674226
:3

>>61674214
>pic related is a hairspring I bent yesterday and fixed up today
Fixed.

>>61674201
>>61674177
> Throw out the spring drive
I know wt gets wet for vintage so I don't expect any love for the modern autos but surprised on the 9r.

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>>61674199
Yes

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Haven't been here in a while, let's see..
>arguments over Rolex not being Rolex
>someone arguing with Ninebag (total shocker!)
>people asking if seiko 5s are good buys
Yeah okay I'll come back another time

>inb4 canadian cartman posts one of his 43 seikos or that damn mark iv speedmaster

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>>61673865
Shitters & a SARB.

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IWC Pilot or Zenith Pilot?

>>61674821
shitters and a shitter

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>>61674821
Also these which are on winders or packed away.

>>61674842
Zenith. Better movement, more aesthetic

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>>61674617
I also have a two tone Datejust, for the record.

>>61674294
Highbeat or nothing.

>>61675210
Good thing I have my 43,200 on the way.

>>61675102
we all know

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>>61673865
Did somebody say shitters

>>61675226
>43,200
>not buying an Elgin for 144,000 BPH

https://youtu.be/yzA_GyV9jD0

>>61675233
The constellation and explorer 1 are excellent watches. Good choice on those two.

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>>61675253
Low beat

>>61675319
What is the beat rate of the Lemania?

>>61675383
36,000

>>61675398
oh so its 10 times per second. the Elgin ticks 40 times per second

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>>61673865
i guess this is what you guys call a chink shitter...works ok for me i guess

>>61675398
No, it's 360000. 1/100s timer. Afaik 360000 is available from at least lemania, Omega, and Heuer.

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>>61675499
>BLACKED

>>61675507
so it was 1/100 thats what i assumed from the markers... are those still the fastest mechanical watches?

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Is Omega SMP 300M pre cuck-axial a good watch to own in horology?

>>61675560
Heuer mikrogirder is I believe a mechanical 1/20,000 timer? 1/5000? Something in that range. I can't post the webm as I'm on mobile. It doesn't use a balance wheel though, it uses a flexing straight spring. I'm not aware of a faster balance wheel movement but I wouldn't be shocked.

Power reserve is very quickly and 8ssue though. The lemania power reserve is almost exactly an hour, and has very poor isochronism - realistically, if you want to time something longer than five minutes, you have to give the crown a turn every five minutes.

The lemania is the fastest mechanical rattrapante I know of, in any case.

>>61675233

>my SKX must remain pristine

>>61675662
Am I supposed to smash it intentionally to look cool, or what? I get it dirty and it has plenty of scratches, but I also regularly wash it off and I try to take care of my shit.

I'm surprised at how sturdy it is too, the rim of the bezel sits a little higher than the bezel insert and the crystal so neither part gets scratched. I guess that makes up for it being a mineral crystal and an aluminum insert. The SKX is honestly a great shitter, I don't know why /wt/ has turned against it lately.

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>>61675934
>I don't know why /wt/ has turned against it
Be sure these threads are 90% plebs. My SKX was my first 'proper' watch, I don't think I'll ever sell it.

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>>61675631
>cant post because I'm on mobile

No excuse.

>>61673865
Interesting Pobeda, you got better shots of it?

>>61676241
Thanks. Someday I'll move all the Webms onto my phone.

>>61674309
how's the size? i feel like it's too small for my wrist.

hey guys im new!

What is a "shitter"?

>>61676480
Refer to this post:
>>61669754

>>61675934
>>61676046
no one turned against it.. People just point out that it has a horrible movement. Invnicta sells a watch for 80 dollars with a better seiko movement in it... what is seiko's excuse? If you want the 4r36 divers you have to get a giant 44mm pillow watch for mroe than twice the money of the skx... it just bothers people.

>>61676480
a term that obese snobs use to describe watches (they never learned how to use their words as toddlers).

>>61676409
post pic

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>>61676633
lol havent bought it yet. i think it may be too small because i've tried on a Moto 360 smartwatch that was 46mm and it felt like the perfect size. also, im really considering getting this vintage ussr one. thoughts?

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>>61676409
It's certainly small. This is a picture on a 6.5in wrist.

>>61676738
If you don't have 8.5 inch wrists you are delusional.

>>61676791
im just under 7 inches. should i pass?

>>61676824
ya that's right Jerry gtfo

>>61676791
wt calls this a shitter but i may get one of these down the line.

>>61676885
have you seen the wrists of wt's hambeasts, or their fingernails?

>>61676919
lol. 7 inches here

>>61676819
It will look fine on you. Also, at under 7 inches, the 46 mm 'watch' would likely be way to large. If you are concerned about the size, there are larger ones such as the SNGZ11, though that would be more expensive.

I need a cheap watch that makes me look good in job interviews and other important interactions. I don't know a damn thing about watches so one that enthusiasts approve of. Anyone?

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Serving me well but the polyurethane strap is kinda sweaty. I might just get that strap adapter.

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>>61676985
>>61676919
>>61676791
>>61676633

is 36mm small for a 6.7 inch wrist? just impulse bought this.

>>61675233
>shitters
>rolex
cryingbecausepoor.jpg

>>61677006
nope, should be just right m8

>>61676991
How cheap?

>>61677006
36mm is fine no matter how large your wrist is. Most peoples wrists are between 7 and 7.5 inches. 35mm is the the most aesthetic size for a dress watch on most peoples wrists. 39mm is the most aesthetic size for a diver on most peoples wrists. if you were anything too much smaller than 35mm (exluding tanks) and anything much larger than 39mm you are a massive fucking pleb.

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>>61676974
well the fact that you're 5'8" explains the rest.

bullies like you feel the need to denigrate others' possessions... because it validates your pathetic existence.

sad.

>>61677006
Nope that looks nice.

>>61677000
careful anon, gshocks get so much hate here

>>61677104
since when like 90 percent of us have them? only hate i saw was some idiot posted a horrible g shock model in camo and that specific choice got called out.

>>61677163
probably grew from there,fuck don't get me wrong I've got two DWs myself

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>>61676245
It's a cute little Bauhaus Pobeda from the 60s that works perfectly. They are somewhat rare to find, some of them were branded as Zim.

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Good morning wt

What are some cheap hand wind movements to practice on?

>>61677104
No they don't. What, did you get BTFO for wearing a GA-100 with sissy wrists or what?

>>61677263
specs pls?

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>>61677284
Slavs sometimes made some pretty kino semi-dress/semi-casual watches.

Pic related, I've been contemplating on getting one of these for a while. I have one in my parts donors but the dial and case are too far gone for a restoration.

>>61674246
Whatever you say senpai, I like my hairspring

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>>61677392
fuck that's ugly

>>61677448
>GA-100
he posted a camo one as well lol

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>>61677413
Wanted to post this.

>>61677448
Apparently it's very popular. Most G-Shock I swap batteries in are black GA-100's.

>>61669799
wouldn't it be easier to outright explain what back-hacking and stop seconds do instead of this nitpicking.

>>61667820
>It hurting the watch is probably a marketing rumor created by people selling watches with hacking mechanisms.
occam's razor calls this an absurd conspiracy theory.

>>61677504
black ones are ok i guess but not the neon colored ones please

>>61677506
That person is retarded don't listen to them. The mainspring is still wound and the gear train is trying to push the seconds hand forward. You are stopping that form happening so the force of the mainspring is pushing on the entire gear train while you are pushing back. This can destroy more delicate watches over time.

>>61677400
The same as any other vintage Pobeda, look it up on google. I am too lazy.

>>61677586
>The mainspring is still wound and the gear train is trying to push the seconds hand forward.
mainspring is still wound when the hacking lever is engaged, too.
where exactly in the train are the force of the mainspring and crown meeting for non-hacking?
how exactly is a hacking lever engaging less interrupting?

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>>61677263
since you know so much about your watch, would you be able to tell any details about mine?
newwatchfag

>>61677679
This is one of the Gerald Genta Pobeda designs. The grammar of design is strongly evocative of the brilliant engineering of his other pieces.

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>>61672851
>>61672555
>mfw unironic quartz posters

>>61677065
huh? i wasn't trying to say i was better than anyone... i just thought it was interesting to see other people's wrist sizes, so i thought i could make the sample size bigger. i can see how the "lol" makes it sound douchey but that was directed to the hambeast comment.

>>61677705
would you say this is a good pobeda? also, what time frame am i looking at here (rather than just before 1992)

again, my first watch

>>61677738
That watch is indirectly part of the same horological genealogy as Omega, Patek Phillippe, Audemars Piguet, and many other exquisite brands.

>>61677706
>We prefer progress to status. Because watchmaking is a work in progress, not a history lesson.
Citizen CEO

>>61677797
sooo.... would you say that for $40 was it a steal or?

>>61677797
>That watch is indirectly part of the same horological genealogy
nope, pin-lever is utter shit

>Omega, Patek Phillippe, Audemars Piguet
Omega should not be mentioned in the same sentence as those.
the big three of Swiss watchmaking are Audemars Piguet, Vacheron Constantin, and Patek Philippe

>>61677856
But Genta did designs for Omega as well, so yes, Omega should be mentioned there.

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>>61677586
Imagine if you were to put a device in a watch that would actually collide with the escape wheel to cause the "entire gear train!!" slam to a halt while the mainspring continues to push on it!

Sounds like something that would destroy watches left and right.

>>61667635
Is there any reason that we need to lose the link to the youtube video about how watches work and get your religious videos instead? There are many people in our threads who still haven't seen it.

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>>61675934
>I don't know why /wt/ has turned against it lately

I'm just joshing you my dude.

The skx is based af. My 5 watch collection is in the $15k-20k range and I own an skx. I wear it whenever the fancy watches feel stale .

>>61677928
>Is there any reason that we need to lose the link to the youtube video about how watches work and get your religious videos instead?
friendly reminder to /g/ janitors that /pol/ will defend white heritage even if it has nothing to do with technology

>>61677928
That isn't one of my religious videos, someone else posted that, and yes I will continue to post IFB videos as I think it's important.

I can add the watch video if it makes you feel better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwmDfgTBWTg

>>61678030
you do know the turtle exists?

>>61678054
>I can add the watch video if it makes you feel better.
This is a thread about watches.

>>61678088
I can also ignore you because you're a tripfag lecturing me on what to add in the OP.

>>61677797
time frame?

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>>61677856

>Pobeda
>pin-lever

Wrong, fucking smartass.

>>61678080

I do, but in terms of shape and dimensions the skx is best.

>>61675102
Is it still 0 seconds per month?

>>61678183
if the skx013 came with the 4r36 at the same price point i would find it hard to recommend any diver over it until you get well into the thousands of dollars.

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Good part of day gentlemen, I need your help identifying a Seiko watch I saw in a thrift shop.

Its dial said Titanium Sapphire 100m, and the back said 7N43 - *A?0 where ? was either 8 or maybe S or 5 and I forgot what the * was.
The dial was black, hour markings were silver and there were no gold inlays in bracelet like pic related 0AS0 has, body and bracelet were all titanium.

Any ideas what could it be?

>>61678241
skx013 is a half-assed shrunken design of the skx007.
proportions are way off, esp the height.

>>61678306

Fight me

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Can anyone confirm if pic related is likely to be genuine? I know there are some fake Raketas about, but this one is one of the cheap/common models not worth faking, right?

>>61678306
t. retard

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>>61678306

>>61678373
its fake.
read the fucking numerals, dumbass.

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you guys probably know a lot about keeping up with your watches. is there anything i can do to make the steel look better? looks faded and a bit rusted. any home remedies that can make it look a bit newer?

>>61678498
>read the fucking numerals, dumbass.
?

>>61678572
Protipp: It's not steel.

It's only gonna get worse unless you figure out chrome plating at home.

>>61678591
im just fucking with u i dont know lol

>>61678572
take the movement out close the case up and strip the plating.

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>>61678189
Yup.

>>61678630
How old is it and how long ago was it serviced?

>>61678667
It's a 2006 116223 and it was serviced in March if this year. Because my watchmaker likes me, he suffered through adjusting the rate three times to dial it in (I regulate smooth balances myself but I don't own or want to risk using a microstella wrench).

>>61678689
Well he did an excellent job. Rolex really does make some impressively functional time pieces.

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What is your most comfy to wear watch?

>>61678760
>cheap bracelet
>comfy

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>>61678760

I'm struggling to decide between a 45 series King Seiko, for dat 36,000bbh movement, or go the easy route with a Seiko Sarb for practical reasons and a case that isn't beat from the past 40 or 50 years.

>>61678816
>retard taking a 3 bar water resistant watch swimming

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>>61678760
My grandfather's 1978 LCD Roamer. I almost dipped it in bathwater once because I forgot I was wearing it.

Pic of the same model, only mine still has the original bracelet.

>>61678903
lol ive taken it much deeper. Ive gone diving with it in salt water.

>>61678791
Just is regardless. Forget I am even wearing it it is so comfy.

>>61678903
Casios are more waterproof despite what you might think. I tested mine underwater while even pushing all the buttons and under fast running water and it took it.

>>61678903
>>61678903

IT SAYS WR

>>61678887
45xx movements are amazing as far as inherent accuracy goes but they are prone to excessive wear and often require donor movements to scavenge for parts. I would avoid them unless you are prepared for the outlay.

If you want a vintage KS I'd say more recommend a 5245/5246/5256, or for a similar look and high-beat a Lord Marvel 5740C. Either would be far less costly to keep running over the long term.

>>61678887
SARB

when do you guys wear your watches?
all the time, even in the house when no one's around or just outside?

>>61678903
>Swimming in a pool under 10ft with a cheap watch rated to around 100ft
Oh the humanity.

>>61679024
yes

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>>61678080
I've had my SKX since long before the turtle existed

>>61678461
The small one looks worse. Look how terrible those hands look and the date had to be cut into the chapter ring. Just embrace the big ugly blob of a watch.

>>61678903
I'll only take my 200m diver into the pool after I've had it pressure tested, and I get it serviced and the seals replaced right afterwards. You can never be too careful.

>>61679024
At work or away from home. At home only at times when for example I don't want a Seiko 5 to stop because I'm planning on wearing it soon.

>>61679089
>and the seals replaced right afterwards.
Bad practice IMO, don't try to fix what's not broken.

But you're likely just pretend posting.

>>61679122
he was making fun of the other guy.. how can you not tell?

>>61679193
On this website you can never be sure, not even on /wt/.

>>61679024
anytime out of the house (expect works because the law says i cant wear muh jewelry there). i have clocks easily viewable at home, but outside, I genuinely wear a watch to tell time because I hate pulling out my phone.

>>61679089
walking around Hollywood or Malibu, if you're wis, it's common to spot celebrities wearing the common trendy high-end pieces. It's also common to spot them wearing SKX009's, and less-frequently SKX007's, which I've always thought was interesting.

Can most good independent watch repair men work on an Omega 1861 movement?

>>61679586
Yes

>>61678283
Anyone?

is there any better place than reddit to acquire a used speedmaster 3570.50?

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>>61678996
>>61679040

>>61679668
Try searching chrono24 and watchrecon. For something as iconic as a 3570.50 stick to reputable sellers.

>>61679725
thank you

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>>61677798
>Citizen CEO
enough said...

>>61679780
I SHOP AT
R O S S

>>61679722
I've used my mako XL's (WR 200m, not Diver's 200m) day pusher underwater and haven't seen any evidence of damage or water entry, AMA.

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>>61677798
Tell you what, next time that you're getting some quality time, a little QT, quality time with your chick, pull out a CITIZEN WATCH. Then just feel how WET the pussy gets. When you got a Citizen Watch, you're wearing Full Ross... trust me bro.

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>>61679722
>>61678949
:^)

>>61679838
>little insecure beta can only get shallow gold-diggers that "like" his rolex

http://watchesbysjx.com/2017/06/breaking-news-jean-claude-biver-reveals-radical-new-regulator-at-zenith.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_GZEEExTPo&app=desktop

Is it a bad idea to attempt to shove a 6R15 into an skx013?

>>61680320
I think it's the same diameter, but is it the same thickness? And how are you going to get the day of the week complication?

>>61680222
>>61680266
"It’s a regulator that has no hairspring, no balance wheel, needs no oil, where friction does not exist, and is accurate to one second in 24 hours – the most accurate mechanical watch ever."

Apparently it will run at 15 hz, have a case made of potions aluminium sponge and cost just under CHF 10k. Release date for the first ten preorder units is September 10th.

>>61680222
>http://watchesbysjx.com/2017/06/breaking-news-jean-claude-biver-reveals-radical-new-regulator-at-zenith.html
MADMAN

>>61680320
nh35 swap requires only a an aftermarket crown

>>61680222
That sounds fascinating. If this idea actually works I will suddenly become keenly interested in Zenith, provided that can somehow manage to make a single variant that isn't eye wateringly hideous.

>>61677263
where'd you get that band?

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Just got this in the mail today and I just dawned on me that SARB033 and 035 have been left behind and probably will be discontinued once people get Keen to the newer offerings from Seiko.

>>61680965
Send me one of your bracelet links for my sark

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>>61680365
>>61680434
I contacted a modder a while back with the same question as the anon who asked and it seems simple.

>>61680320

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Guys, what do you think about MVMT watches? I need an analog watch, every watch I owned previously was a g- shock so I don't have knowledge about other brands than casio, sadly. I really like design shown on photos made by MVMT but I know how fake they can be.

>>61681530
Absolute dogshit

>>61681530

>Chronograph but Numbers on anything can't time shit

>Face boring matte black nothing interesting.

You'd be a fucking idiot to buy one

>>61681530
The image where generic shit parts are going into a Chinese factory and coming out as different brands/10

>>61681579
>>61681586
>>61681589
Thank you anons far saving me from buying this mistakes

>>61681398
yeah ive actually seen it successfully done. It takes like 30 minutes for an unskilled idiot to do it. I am thinking of either geting the skx013 and the nh35 or another amphibia to mod. If it costs me 250 dollars to make a hacking hand-winding iso certified diver and at the end of it i have a spare brand new movement.. what the fuck is seiko's excuse?

>>61678030
Back to /b/ with you, frogposter.

>>61681805
Do you have the equipment to pressure test it after the mod? Not sure if it would meet ISO specs otherwise.

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>>61678903

>>61681530
You can honest to god get one from Taobao/Aliexpress/DHgate for under $15 that's from the same exact factory.

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>>61680965
>Costs more than twice as much
No thanks. I guess the case is nice and a bit more GS-like and Diashield is nice but I hate those bracelets with polished stripes and it's too damn big. It seems like it takes about as many steps back as it does forward which makes it hard to justify that price.

>>61682034
Its fine man.

>>61680965
I really wanted one of those but they're xbox huge, after wearing a goldfeather for a year I just can't

Why seiko why

>>61679722
how is jet skiing more intensive than snorkeling?

>>61683520
I ask this about every seiko i want.. and on here faggots just say you have bitch wrists. Meanwhile they are walking around with dinner plates saying "its fine" .... and hence why seiko only makes stupidly large watches. Most people at these price points have no fucking taste. It is also why Patek makes 15 thousand dollar watches 35mm.. People that are not plebs and can afford them want an understated watch at the correct size. Then you have AP, Hublot, and Richard Mille that literally make watches for rappers.

>>61683547
If you fall off a jetski into salt water the watch better be pretty fucking waterproof.

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>>61683582

>>61683582
Patek also makes beautiful watches at 39 and 43 mm. Just because your midget wrist can't handle something decently-sized doesn't mean other people can't look fine in them.

>>61683678

You see right away it starts...
>>61683747

go be fat somewhere else buddy

>>61683769
Dude I hate how my tendons and bones get so much larger when I gain weight. Stop being a faggot and accept that other human beings have differently-shaped wrists than you.

I'm at my wits end. Girlfriend wants a watch that's something less than 30mm, with a case that's thin. She doesn't give a shit about the type or quality of movement, as long as it keeps time decently well. What do girls like? Michael Kors?

>>61683805
My wrists are over 7 inches which is the wrist size of the vast majority of people at all heights and weights. Unless 90 percent of this board has 8.5 inch wrists you cucks are fucking up aesthetically. Period. You may like your watch but it is too big on you and most people notice.

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>>61683847

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>>61683847
DATE JUST

>>61683855
Woah, seven fucking inches, you madman. As long as the lugs don't hang over your wrists and the watch can fit under a cuff, there is no issue. There is nothing wrong with 35 mm watches and I'm happy you like them, but 43 mm can look fine too.
The only watch a normie on the street will know is too big, assuming they even notice, is one with lug overhang (you know, one that doesn't fit), or some 50+ mm Invictaesque behemoth. No one is going to walk past you on the street and think to themselves, 'Heh, nothing personel, that guy's watch takes up 10% too much of his wrist. Such plebians lack the deep appreciation for 36 mm watches and commensurate proportions that I am endowed with, haha.'

>>61683874
>advertising jewlery for poor people in the background
Never change Uncle Archie.

>>61683847
Depends what you want to spend and if you want quartz or mechanical.

>>61683965
when you have a 7.5 inch wrist and you are speaking to another adult wearing a 46mm dive watch you look like a fucking idiot.

>>61684087
>speaks against ~40 mm watches
>suddenly talking about 46 mm watches
At 7.5 inch wrist and a 46 mm watch, it would need SKX-tier lugs to be pulled off, so you aren't wrong there. However, that is irrelevant to whether or not 44, 43, or 42 mm watches are appropriate for someone with that wrist size.

>>61683965
>and the watch can fit under a cuff
That's another thing about plebs, they tend to buy shirts that don't fit them properly. Hideous oversized cuffs, because shitty shirtmakers like Brooks Bros use the same cuffs on normal size shirts as they use for hamplanet shirts.

Yeah sure the "slim fit" craze has taken fast fashion by storm but those are cut for skinnyfats and they're usually worn with the shirt sleeves too short anyway.

Your cuff should not have enough room under it to comfortably fit a fucking Marine Master. It just looks stupid. 12mm case thickness is already well in excess of reasonable limits and any watch that thick should only be able to fit with some awkwardness.

I've only found two RTW shirtmakers that make a decent cuff: Eton and Kamakura. Unsurprisingly, they aren't popular here in Burgerland.

>>61684173
if you animals aren't bespoke-tier, I won't have anything to do with you desu

>>61684305
low-tier bespoke is worse than decent rtw + tailoring

>>61684173
>I've only found two RTW shirtmakers that make a decent cuff
any tailor can tighten the cuffs for like $10.
so buying your shirts based on that is retarded.

>>61684363
>tighten the cuffs
so you have a shirt with cuffs that are too long and the placket alignment is wrong? yeah no thanks

>>61684147
i personally wouldn't go above the speedy at 42mm and as thin as it is.

>>61684395
what kind of shit tailors do you have?
http://putthison.com/post/7807163078/q-and-answer-how-much-can-my-clothes-be-altered

>>61684477
go back to /fa/, that link doesn't have any bearing on this topic. you might impress some canadian teenagers though

>>61684539
exactly, just wear your oversized Apple Watch however you want on your wrist.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/01/apple-watch-sales-up-over-50-since-last-year/
>Seems both 1Q and 2Q 2017 Apple Watch sales up 50% YoY meaning between 2-3 million units.
>Apple Watch Installed base likely nearing 30 million.

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Just got this gem in my inbox.

>>61675629
Anyone?

>>61685149

>he doesn't exclusively attend scuba diver conventions

>>61685206
I think all of Omega's divers are ugly, if I had to pick any recent-ish Omega it would be an Aqua Terra or Speedmaster. But that's a personal aesthetic thing, the Seamasters are pretty nice respectable watches and there's nothing wrong with them.

>>61685206
I fuck with the dial and we really need more unique patterned/textured dials in this world, but god that bezel is pretty ugly.

>>61676620

>anything about Invicta
>better

Seiko fags are delusional, but you are more delusional for thinking an $80 Invicta holds any value compared to an skx.

>>61676620
Are you sure you're not confusing Invicta with Orient?

>>61685352
I don't think they said the invicta was worth anything. That was kind of the point of the comment.

>>61685450
orient sells a watch with a better movement at a lower price as well. The seiko is an iso certified diver and has better lume however. I have no idea what they meant but i sort of agree with this sentiment. The 4r36 would slide right in and would cost seiko almost nothing to put in the skx. Why they don't stay on top of the market and put the better movement in the skx i have no idea.

>>61685450
What does /wt/ think of Orient?

>>61685668
They're okay sometimes/10.

>>61685206
If you like it buy it. Also I don't get the excessive co-axial hate. If I had one I would probably have no problem with it. And getting serviced by Omega due to the design does not bother me.

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>>61685689
its literally one guy .. the fucking kid with his dad datejust .. he is also this guy

>>61685689
It's because the benefits a coaxial escapment should have in theory, the omega one doesn't actually have. So all it is is more finicky than a regular swiss lever with none of the benefits of a properly made daniels coaxial.

can anyone give me the quick rundown on this brand? I know these are all shitters but i can't find cheaper new mechanical pocket watches.

>>61685861
yes

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>>61685861

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Just bought my first watch ever.
Didn't want to spend half a fortune
Did I fuck up?
Could I improve?

>>61685883
well memed my friend

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>>61685883
My condolences.

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>>61685883

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>>61685883
Oh boi

>>61685896
>>61685904
>>61685933
Okay I kinda get the consensus here.
Is there a buyers guide anywhere that I could use?
Only costed me 40 bucks atleast cause it was on sale

>>61685970
The buyers guide is lurk more nigga. Also about dogshit brands like fossil, michael kors, daniel wellington, or any of the other millions of fashion bullshit brands.

>>61685985
Alright..
Well I always wanted a Casio but when I bought it i noticed it's pretty small and doesn't really fit my wrists that well.
Any brand you could quickly recommend that don't get me into bankruptcy ?

>>61686012
Just recommending a brand isn't the way to do it. Every brand makes shit that we wouldn't recommend.

>>61686012

>>61674199
>>61674309

>>61686027
I really need to lurk more. Always skipped the watch general and guess now I'm paying the price.
Lets say I wanna spend 200 bucks max what's a good "beginner watch".
Nothing fancy but automatic would be sweet

>>61686057
For 200, google seiko 5 finder and pick your favorite, or buy your favorite orient (especially Ray, Mako, Bambino, or Union). For slightly more you can stretch to a Seiko SARB or probably find a used Hamilton Khaki.

>>61686086

Really like the diver one design wise.
Basically I want something that packs some durability while still being somewhat elegant. Not a g shock you know?
Thank you very much for helping me out though

>>61686114
Seiko Diver's range is pretty large so you can upgrade to a better one in the future if you want to.

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>>61685792
Hi :^)

Sorry Omega's implementation of the co-axial escapement is a complete abortion that managed to reduce service intervals, increase sensitivity to prompt and regular servicing, increase the risk of the movement eating itself if not serviced promptly or correctly, make it much easier to damage the escapement when servicing the watch, and make the movement harder to service.

The fact that The Swatch Group refused to get rid of it due to the marketing dollars spent on this "feature" is proof of how little regard they have for the customer.

>>61686156
So lets say I dig that design is there any other go to brand or is Seiko really killing it in that price point?

>>61686175
Seiko's just the goto "bang for buck" option.

>>61686175
Not really, no.

>>61686189
Sounds really good. I'll look into it more soon. I especially like the Seiko 5 ones.

Btw brands I should avoid are basically the "fashion shit" then?
Does that mean Rolex too? Breitling became really infamous here in Germany because all the wannabe gangster rappers are wearing it nowadays

>>61686175
swatch sistem51 for like $150 utterly destroys the shit movements that seiko offers below grand seiko.

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>>61686241
Rolex is fine, just overpriced because is a ROLEX so you should buy preown if you can.
Breitling is fine too but because they only make BIG watches so the rapper and gangster attract to them. It's not really their fault per say. Their designs are classic.

>>61686189
mechanical watches never are a good bang for buck.
it's antique technology made expensive due to antique production.

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>>61686241
Fashion brands are companies that aren't watchmakers but brand generic chinese movements and mark them up 10,000x to 50,000x. Michael Kors, Guess, Gucci, Armani, etc. Fossil kind of fits in here as well although they are considerably better.

Rolex is a serious watchmaker who, as it happens, make excellent watches compared to other offerings at the price point. Some serious watchmakers like Breitlin, Hublot, Panerai, etc. have created huge, loud, ostentatious watches that strike most of us as awful, but are awful in a different way than the fashion brands.

>>61686272
Sistem 51 is okay (inb4 someone posts a link to that teardown review). If you like their designs (though I suspect you won't if you like the diver), you could do a lot worse. They're kind of a toy watch movement but will work find for at least a couple years, at which point you throw them out.

>>61686282
>Rolex is fine, just overpriced because is a ROLEX so you should buy preown if you can.
daytona is more expensive pre-owned than new.

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Speaking of Seiko, what is the smallest diver that i can buy from Seiko, GS? I'm a wristlet.

>>61686272
Definitely will look into it!
>>61686282
Well that's interesting to hear I thought their reputation was way worse by now
>>61686324
guess I will be avoiding those now at any means possible. I'm going to have a gift for my nephew now atleast.

Again guys thank you so much for giving me some clarification I feel like a complete retard now having bought without informing myself first.
I definitely will lurk here more often!

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>>61686324
That's probably the only position the shit51 kept decent time at.

>>61686331
small divers look like shit.
dial is already very small due to that bezel.
original sub was 40mm in 1954, when 35mm watches were mainstream.

if skx007 with lug-to-lug of 46mm is too big, forget it.

>>61686331
If you don't mind the assfucking because >limited edition the SLA017 is ~39mm in diameter.

>>61686431
you and I have been over this - it wasn't, but it was the only one I took a picture in.