/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>i5
>for any reason
>intel in general

when will vega benchmarks be out

Does the number of PCIe lanes you have SLI going through (8x or 16x sli) matter? Documentation says that 8x is half the performance of 16x, so when I buy any CPU that isn't an i9 with 40+ PCIe lanes am I losing a lot of performance?

I want to buy Ryzen, an M.2 and do SLI in the future. But Ryzen only has 24 PCIe lanes which would mean:

8x - GPU #1
8x - GPU #2
4x - M.2
Total: 20 with 4 to spare for some other card

Which is great, unless 8x sli is horribly inefficient compared to 16x.

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If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

Reminder that AMD is communism

>>61660216
>>61660176
>>61659723

Fucking stop. You're the cancer of this board. This is /g/, go back to >>>/pol/ with ur "communism" and "muh shekels" you autistic fucks.

>>61660265
This board is a pure cancer.

do me a help
fix clock_watchdog_timeout error
plz respon

dead

>Go to buy monitor
>Realize it's gold-brushed
Why? Just why do they do this tacky bullshit? Does it appeal to nip nong ching chongs or something?

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gonna pull the trigger on friday when i get paid

do I have everything I need? (already got an SSD and HDD) am i missing any cables or w/e?

apparently the fan I've got here is a bad pick for my case, any other suggestions?

I just need a nice (AMD because nicer on Linux) GPU (for gaming even) but they're sold out everywhere. Is this because of coinmining or something?

Fuck it. I give up shopping for monitors. I'll just stop using computers. Shopping for tech products is such absolute bullshit. I hate it.

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fZGxJV

How do I make this cheaper without losing performance quality?

>>61661563
vega
ive seen mixed reports that drivers are ass or even non existent though. I'm biting my nails waiting for more information

How long for GPU prices coming down?

NEXT GPUS WHEN???????

If I'm dualbooting Linux with Windows then what's a good Windows OS?

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>>61661691
Never ever

>>61661729
windows 7 to avoid a headache
10/ltsb if you want slightly better performance

>>61661761
wtf I want msi now!

>>61661771
Which one isn't a botnet?

>>61661678
I'm on Linux so I have enough driver issues as it is, thanks though

>>61661729
All botnet. That being said 7 is a lot nicer than 10 but 7 will end up losing official support a lot sooner of course.

also for
>>61661531
is
650W gonna cut it or should i go higher on the PSU?

building a pc for my mom,
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zY4CRG
is what I got so far. The only thing she needs is to be able to run the Corel Photo Suite.
I'm looking for an ok case with two external bays for a cd reader and the second for all the phone memory shit. which I'll just take out of her current one.
The monitor is one we'll already be using and I already gave her current computer an SSD but it's looking the like motherboards about to die.
Is there anything else i should get or that you guys recommend?

>>61659695
now that we have some specs out for the x399 mobos, what are /g/'s favorites? trying to decide what to go with right now.

>>61661664
bumping

>>61659695
Anybody got any advice or experience on Zotac as a GPU brand?

They look decent enough, but I'm wary.

>>61661531
> pull the trigger
> memelake
> just_burn_my_house_down.exe

ffs

What gpu to get 1440p 144hz ultra in pubg?

>>61661913
So long as windows 7 remains the minimum on Steam, who gives a shit about Micro$hit closed garden crap.

>>61662250
two 1080tis or two 1070s SLI if SLI is supported in game

>>61662286
p sure a single 1080ti is enough, iirc the game is super processor intensive due to the poor optimization

used PSU y/n?

>>61662353
no

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>>61661282
Indians

>>61662353
Big NO NO

>>61661664
remove the cooler, wraith spire is good enough
apart from that, you can't get it cheaper if you want to keep performance unless you want to drop to a 60hz monitor and get a cardboard box pc case

>>61661878
>gaming
>on linux
stop trying to give your /g/ boyfriends a boner and install windows you push over cucket

>>61663263
Not him but I game and haven't had a Windows installation since 2007.
Stellaris, XCOM, Civilization VI mostly.

Someone I know owns a trading store and he owes me 3000$ off of a shitty bet, now i can't really ask him for cash and he offered me any pc below 3k$.he has very little tech knowledge so I have to pick something prebuilt. Basically what is the best prebuilt rig I can get below 3k$ ? Can any poo in loo help me because he is dealing in india and I don't know anything about prebuilt pc's availible in india. A part of mwhat just wants to get an alienware and call it a day.

>>61659695
i5 6700k or i7 7700k for gaming?

Without price being a factor.

>>61662353
PSUs and hard drives are the only used things I don't fuck with.

Any more suggestions for good monitors ~$150?

which ones better?
b350m or ab350m?
whats the difference?

>>61664091
no difference I've found.
They're both B350 boards.

>>61661932
also curious. so far they all seem the same

>>61664105
should I get msi or gigabyte?

>>61664194
MSI

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Just installed a lighting node pro. I'm pretty much a walking meme at this point.

>>61664200
I hope you actually just use those for subtle back lighting.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MnZtf8
Any thoughts on how I can improve this before I pull the trigger?

>>61664242

They're definitely too bright now. I just installed them, haven't messed with any color profiles yet. Gonna read up and mess with Corsair link later.

So it comes down to either:

A 24" monitor with a TN display w/ 1ms response time.
-or-
A 23" monitor with an IPS display w/ 5ms response time.

The 24" is just a standard ASUS monitor with the fun features.

The 23" inch has brushed gold as one of the central colors. It's a sacrifice of speed for accuracy and better picture, but it also features a color I hate.

Also, none of them are actually the size stated, because monitor companies are lying cocksuckers who inflate and include the fucking bezel in the measurements. So a 23" is actually a 21". Because fuck you.

>>61664344

Unless you're into competitive FPS gaming, get the IPS.

>>61664364
I was going to order it earlier, but I really fucking hate the color. I hate gold. I fucking gold. Like, to an autistic degree I hate gold.

Ok, think I have this down, is this a good build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wGgs3F

>>61664388
Get one without gold?

>>61664388
I'd rather wood paneling than fucking fake gold bullshit. Tacky-ass gold uglyness.

>>61664399
The one I was looking at only comes in gold. I hate digging through a million monitors by every company trying to figure out what's the best at the moment. They all make too many products.

>>61664417
Also, is it an issue that IPS monitors have really bad backlight bleed issues?

What's the best cooling for a 7700k?
I was looking into AIO liquid cooling but started looking at Noctua's nh-d14, but now i'm just confused as to what to get.

Samsung 850 EVO

Kingston UV400

or

Kingston A400?

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Someone explain this. A hyperthreaded dual core should not have better average performance than 4 physical cores

https://youtu.be/lolWyt_-6EQ

>>61663363
read the fucking op
no i5

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Here's my current build

I have a GTX 980 Ti in place atm for my GPU instead of the GTX 1080Ti, I'm looking to get one real soon in a few days but I'm researching which one would probably be the best for me and my usage. Which GTX 1080Ti is the best bang for buck in terms of high performance and cooling capablities?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/y2sZbj

The GTX 1080Ti in the link and screenie is the one I'd like to get but I want to see other opinions which GTX 1080Ti is actually favoured by you faggots

>>61663363
>i5 6700k
kek

>>61664598

I just got a 240GB UV Kingston delivered today. Great price..was like 85 dollars from Amazon. So far so good but obvs just got it.

>>61664608
Instructions per clock and single thread performance. Intel has better IPC, and better single thread performance.

>>61664791
But in everything else Ryzen pretty much destroys it.

>>61664608
They could have really closed the gap if they hadn't left the Ryzen at stock speeds.

What's the best sound card for a true audiophile such as myself?

>>61664598
definitely Intel 540s

>>61665044
correct. Besides. GTA V is an old game> look at more modern games, and Ryzen wins hands down.
Games are becoming more and more multi-threaded every year. Intel won't hold onto the gaming crown for long. They can't compete with AMD on multi-threaded performance.

>>61660176
wife's son*

>>61660265
>getting this triggered

>>61661843
None. 7 is less botnet

>>61661843
Install GNU/Linux.

is WD Blue still the best HDD in its price range?
or should I get something else instead?

>>61664791
>>61665117
That's not my question. How are 2 cores out performing 4 cores when games are allegedly being bottlenecked by 4 core i5s and most people claim ryzen 5 1600 is the minimum for games. There's either a lot of misinformation being spread around right now or these are some major outliers. I'm leaning towards the former though.

>>61665691
Depends on what you value

Quiet operation & long warranty: WD Red

>>61665696
Just outliers on an old game that prefers single threaded performance.
Look at more modern games. Ryzen always wins.

>>61665959
All the 7 games that were tested had the i3 in front. Even in BF1

>>61665974
depends on when you're looking. They're pretty evenly matched.

>>61666011
But once again that doesn't make sense. It's constantly being said that games right now are being bottlenecked by 4 cores yet in a game which is supposed to be very well optimized for 4+ cores, the 1200 still gets beaten out or at the very least matched by an older locked processor with only 2 cores.

>>61666061
It's being beaten out because they're still both using 4 threads. The Intel chip has more Ghz, and more IPC. When they're equally matched on threads on most games, the better IPC is going to win, even if slightly

Does HP make decent monitors?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072M34RQC

>>61666113
HP does nothing decent.

Best ATX Z270 motherboard for 7700k?

>>61664259
Anyone have any input?

>>61666094
2 fake threads don't make up for 2 physical cores my friend

>>61666183
Shame. I like the idea of a cheap IPS monitor with full mount versatility, but there are no real reviews. None.

>>61666187
Either the Asus Z270-A or the MSI SLI plus

>>61665581

>implying when gayms actually start using 6+ cores Intel won't release 6 core mainstream
>what's that, is i5 8000 series 6-core?
>also implying intel doesn't have the money to "support" game and software devs so they give you The Way I'ts Meant To Be Computed©®™ experience
>implying implications

>>61666187
>>61666333
forget to add that it needs vt-d
these specs are a pain in the ass to search

whats the difference between these two
AB350M-HD3 AM4 ,
AB350M-D3H AM4
it's only the 2 dimm 4 dimm right?

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>>61666414
What's with the rambling? Nothing you said made sense. It's like trying to listen to Donald Trump talk about what was actually in Trumpcare.

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saved same money up for this new build. Old one became useless. Anyone got any ideas to improve or parts that i should change?

>inb4 ryzen meme

Also, gtx 1070 is impossible to get anywhere for a normal price. Thanks miners

>>61666548

x370 is only worth it if you're going for multi gpu. Also any psu over gold is meme. Ditch those 2 and buy a better monitor or smth.

>>61666590
not plat because you can get fanless

>>61666548
X370 is only worth it for SLI.
1700X is worthless. Get a 1700. Comes with a decent cooler too. There is no difference between the 1700 and 1700X beyond base clocks. They overclock the same.
>but I want muh 4.0 Ghz!
The use a Gryorig H7. No need to spend double the price on a hideous Noctua fan with no additional value.

And don't get the WD Black. It's noisy. Just get a WD Blue 1TB or a 2 TB Seagate Barracuda.

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suggestion for a cheap and small desktop case, i dont use dvd drives and only have 1 hdd and 1 ssd. So I rather not lose all that space.

>>61666727
too thixk to leave your board size?

>>61666661

Yeah i forgot to change the 1700x to 1700. I was thining wd black because of performance but id have to check that out

>>61666590

Would the B350MB be a good replacement for the x370 or do you recommand anything else?

I was aware of the psu, id get that indeed changed to gold.

Now my only concern is getting a proper gpu that aint overpriced or second hand used for mining..

>>61664608
OC the Ryzen 3 to 3.7Ghz and it'll beat that i3. That's not even with faster RAM modules. But in general older games and certain newer titles are not able to scale threads efficiently within Ryzen's architecture which in some ways resembles a NUMA node architecture.

>>61666414
The only reason the 8th gen has 6 cores for an i5 is because AMD kicked them in the dick with Ryzen. The rest of what you said is gibberish.

Before I pull the trigger, can anyone find anything that could be improved?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wGgs3F

>>61666923
Looks good boss!

1080 for $519
convince me not to

>>61667134
You're only fulfilling your materialistic desires.

>>61666802
standar atx
gpu is 280mm, maybe a little less, a MSI armor rx480

>>61667250
s340 is popular.

>>61667286
wow thats great, its exactly the one i was looking at, thanks senpai

Anyone know of a better cheaper case than this one?
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16811146190?nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker%2c+LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566

It's a NZXT - S340

Recommendations for 24" 1920x1080 120-144hz 1ms monitor? Looking to spend 300 max, not sure if I should just settle with the asus vg248qe...

>Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM
Is it really that bad? that i have 2133?

>>61667465
That's literally the most expensive case by them, are you retarded?
If you want actually decent budget cases look into sharkoon's lineup (they come with all fans, filters and silent mounts preinstalled)

>>61667550
Infinity fabric's operating clock is half the frequency speed of your RAM so yes it does help. However, don't sacrifice a lot of latency for frequency with your RAM.

> My Uncle got rid of his old stuff and gave me a Power Mac g4
Now I in my possession a Power Mac g4 is there anything else I could do to it or mod? Or should I just throw magnets at it?

>>61667668
Gut it and drill mounting for a micro ATX board.

>>61661531
>>61661914
If you are like me and can't wait for shit, do it.

Blug.

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-257E7QDSB-25-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B01F91AKYU/

or

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16824236385

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I bought a 1080ti but didn't have any money left over for a case

R8 M80
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/XXzHxr

>>61668232
not bad, get a SSD at least for the OS though.

>>61668128
You're gonna make it brah.

For anyone looking to pick up the Radeon pack reminder to not buy the monitor it comes with since it is hot garbage.
>Looks like AMD is bundling Samsung's c34f791 with their Vega purchases. The issue is, that monitor Freesync essentially does not work.

>It has 2 modes: 1) 80-100 Freesync range called standard engine 2) 48-100 Freeysnc range called Ultimate engine

>The issue is, the Ultimate engine has a ton of flickering, this is not driver related, this is the monitor itself. Freesync flickers like a strobe light disco party in all cutsceenes and menus. In game it flickers the most around 48-52 range. ( My viewsonic xg2401 has none of these problems)

>It flickers in most games, the only game I tested that didn't have major flickering was DOOM. (still some light flickering but no big deal).

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>>61659695
>Tfw personally responsible for that edit.

>>61663322
No laptop. Any SSD, i7, DDR4 16 GB RAM, and GTX 1060 or higher will do. Everything is else icing.

>>61663363
I use an i5-7600k with a GTX 1060 6 GB for gaming. At 1080p, it's beautiful. Cheap and no lag always 70+ FPS in everything including maxed out Witcher 3.

Don't let autistic neck beards tell you otherwise. My setup is 250gb NVMe SSD, and 3,000 mHz DDR4 RAM though. But yes, i5 is fine.

However, if there had been a Ryzen ITX option at the time of purchase that didn't take months to get to me I would have definitely chose Ryzen 5 1600 instead.

If you need ITX at 1080p, i5 is fine. mATX, just go Ryzen or an i7. Really. Any questions?

>>61664393
Swap PCI Express WiFi adapter for an AC band one. The one you chose only goes up to N band, or single band 2.4. you want 5 dual band, or AC for best speeds and less packet loss.

Second, everything else is fine. I might choose a different SSD though.

>>61667683
Would that be the only thing to make it work?

>>61665581
This is factually incorrect when it comes to the i3 vs ryzen 3

Considering doing a custom loop in the future. Can anyone recommend me any good resources to get started?

>>61668739
Have you tried the local crack dealer?
You get way more enjoyment for less money with heroin than with custom loops.

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Are motherboards that support ThreadShitter going to be a lot more expensive than normal Ryzen chips?

Given it runs at 4.2GHz I have to have one for that extra 200MHz boost over normal Ryzen, even though I only do gaymen and it will make zero difference. The 16 core ThreadShitter is going to cost roughly what I paid for my 1080Ti and I'm well overdue a CPU upgrade so it seems worth it even though it's a pointless upgrade.

>>61668796
Probably yes. I would say comparable to X299 boards, maybe a bit less potentially for bread dipper.

I need recommendation for a good CPU cooler that isn't bulky. My old 212 Evo isn't cutting it anymore.

>>61668128
Cardboard case has the best variety when it comes to customization.

In the market for a new monitor for my pc/ps4. I want a 27''+ ips with a resolution above 1080p. But I don't want to spend above $250. I Found this on craigslist.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/ele/6234510192.html

Should I just buy it, despite the fact is 6years old at this point and it's an LCD, or should I wait and get a newer led ips on sale within my budget?

>>61668846

If you care about cooling get a smallish CLC. If you don't, just get a small cooler that fits. Pretty much anything aftermarket is better than the one cpu comes with.

>>61668830
>comparable to X299 boards
Eh they are peanuts anyway, only about double what I paid for my Z77 like 5 years ago.

Looks like I'll be getting a DreadWipper.

>>61668908
Here is the problem. I got the i7-7700 (this was before Ryzen arrived so I regret it as well) and a Hyper 212. I thought since this was the locked version it should be fine, turns out temps sometimes spike to 90 degrees because I didn't account for the fact that I live on the fucking equator and the weather here is fucking shitty. So now I need a slightly better cooler but something that isn't overkill.

>finish new comp and install OS
>decide to update BIOS because everything must be up-to-date
>now computer won't boot
>following https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=269702.0 and hoping for the best
Never updating BIOS again

>>61669245
If your CPU is Ryzen updating the Bios is actually a good thing

>>61669480
I'll believe you when my PC is running again

>>61669511
How did you update your BIOS?
Please don't tell me you did it via windows

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>>61669528
I got too excited and fucked up

>>61669585
You tried updating your bios via windows didn't you

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>>61669609
It's not out of the realm of possibility that's what happened
But yes

>>61669637
Wew lad. You always fucking update your bios via the your bios. Never ever ever do it via windows. I have never had a bios update fail in my entire life even before they had fancy bios updater software included into the bios itself so long as the power doesn't cut during the update.

Next time you need to update the bios do it via the bios itself with a USB.

>>61669675
I've learned my lesson, I just hope I don't have to pull the whole mobo out and send it back

>>61668846
Cryorig H7 or Noctua U12s. But if you're really worried about temps I'd get the D15s if you have space.

Finishing my build p soon - is it absolutely necessary to update bios?
Amd 8350 with Asus Sabertooth r3 mobo

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/26XbPs

How's this? I'm a newfag to PC building and it says the cooler and the case aren't compatible. What does that mean exactly, like as in it won't fit and the case needs to be wider? If so, what's a good not ugly and plain case that would go good with this build?

>>61670114
Stop
buying
Hyper 212s
This needs to added to the OP jesus christ.

>>61670147
Enlighten me

Dude on Reddit is really pushing me to get this monitor pretty hard. Says it's the best you can get in regards to a 1080p IPS panel.

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-257E7QDSB-25-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B01F91AKYU/

>>61670216
Acer H236HL's pretty good and can be overclocked. Only downside is it's a glossy panel.
>>61670153
Cryorig M9a/i are basically a 212 EVO in terms of performance except smaller, quieter and cheaper.

>>61670242
I guess I'll just keep the case and just go with https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0177GTTB0/?tag=pcpapi-20 so thanks for the input.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jKXbPs

im thinking cant go wrong, since the 1920 isnt out here

I just got a GTX 1080 and I want to upgrade my monitor this Fall, can I get some recommendations for a 1440/144hz or 3440x1440p monitor? Looking for something that I can hopefully invest in and use for a couple years:
>Preferably under $1,000
>Color accuracy
>At least 27"

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Sup /pcbg/.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qPykQV Here's the list. I'm in Canada. I want to be able to play Nier Automata, the new Guilty Gear games, Dark Souls III and be able to keep playing new games with decent settings for another year or two. I don't have any peripherals either, need a suggestion for ~$300 CAD monitor. My budget for the computer itself is $900-1000 CAD. I'm also thinking about using Windows 7 or 8.1 on it, but I really don't know much about the pros and cons of either.

Open to any suggestions.

>>61670398

3440x1440 is god tier. Been on it for about 2 years and don't miss a thing.

I want to be able to move my pc with ease for when i want to use it in the living room (hence the size). With the card i think for the price and amound of video memory you are getting it's pretty good. The games i play are pretty old and im not sure if anything new is even neccesary for them (though i wouldnt mind playing new stuff like civ V)

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/LBrrbj

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>>61670520
and wrong link
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/xnGqZ8

>>61668599
Either correct him or STFU

>>61670437
ditch the cpu cooler
the stock ryzen coolers are decent

>>61670568
True. Got a suggestion for a monitor?

Call me old fashioned, but it's not going to be a problem to mix Intel and AMD hardware, is it?

You know what annoys me? wasted resources. A friends got a 1700x and all he does is facebook and league of legends

>>61670695
I have a 1600 and that's all I do, blow me

>>61670660
>but it's not going to be a problem to mix Intel and AMD hardware, is it?
what?

>>61670565
Are you retarded or are you just too incompetent to reading the thread?

>>61670711
a 1600 is more acceptable at least. but seriously i bet i could switch out my old cpu and he wouldnt notice

>>61670443
So do you have recommendation? I was looking at the Acer X34 but I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that prices will drop once the new ultrawide monitors hit the market. Alternatively I guess I could wait for the new 200hz, HDR ultrawides. Those look very tempting but the price is probably going to be ridiculous.

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I wanna get the MSI Gaming X version but it costs 830euros where im from. Cheapest 1080ti is 700euros for the Gigabyte turbo
should i spend 130 euros more for the msi version? i cant find any reviews of the turbo

>>61670531
what are you doing?
get a cheap $100, 80 dollar HD and use the left over for a 570 or 1060. that gpu is shit

>2500k @ 4.5ghz
>r9 290 oc
>1440p
is there anything I can do to reduce cpu usage? right now it's pinned to 100% in BF1 at 60fps. in bf4 it usually stays around 80%

or should i bite the bullet and grab a used 3770k? im gonna do a r5 1600 + gtx1080/gtx2070 in early 2018

>>61665738
is WD Blue really noticeably noisy?

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>>61670713
The last time I put a computer together was in 2003. Back then it was an issue, was wondering if it was still the case.

>>61670810
its actually 1:1 with a 1050ti

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/GhBcD8

>>61670862
it still is, intel cpus wont fair well with amd gpus

do people still use raid cards?

>>61671095
only in wow setups, its mainly done by the mobo now

Looking to upgrade my old i5-2300 with something stronger.

I thought about a i7-6700k with a z-board for overclocking.
However some people told me the OCing of that i7 barrel yields any results and I could save money if I go for non OC stuff.

I have no clue though what combination of MB+CPU I would be using instead? How much could I save?

>>61671151
Ryzen. But any new generation mobo requires DDR4 so you are going to need new RAM as well

>>61671151
ryzen 5. read the op

>>61671182
>>61671185
Got the RAM already, waited with the CPU + MB.

Godda read some bench marks then I guess.
What should a none-z-board cost roughly?

>>61671248
100 or less depending on brand and quality

How dis look tho ?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FLnLm8

>>61671248
1600 is the go to cpu. also btw the r3 1200 can beat the current i5s

>>61671314
i too can just get the best of the best. but a 1800x with a 1080ti makes no sense. 1800x is for workstations, not games

What's a decent motherboard for Ryzen 5 1600? Looking at $150 to $250 CAD. I don't want to cheap out on a budget board.

>>61671248
>>61671269
Just did a quick research.
It's pretty much r5-1600x vs i7 6700k right?
The r5 is around 60 bucks cheaper, with around 12% less performance - did I get that right?

Purpose is games by the way, everything starts to lag horribly with modern games.
GPU is gtx 780 - which will be upgraded next, so it would be cool if the CPU doesn't fall behind hard once I do that.

>>61671314
If you're serious about the 1800x, why not wait a couple weeks for the entry-level Threadripper?

>>61671344
hes clearly not else hed get a workstation card

>>61671341
r5-1600 is good enough senpai.
If your GPU is good and you are not gaming at a tard resolution, your GPU will be the bottleneck not your CPU.

>>61671333
I am doing mostly gaming and wanted a future proof system. I feel AMD is the way to go. whats a better alternative? 1700x?

>>61671341
no? whered you get that assumption. even just looking at the price is crazy. youre a fool to choose any intel cpu except the pentium, and even then thats almost gonna be destroyed by the apus

>>61671389
the 1800x guy? the 1700 is probably "futureproof" its not like anything will fall of really hard in 5 years time. even the old shit like 8350 and 2600 still fair decently today and theyre 5-6 years old. Imo youre better off just saving the money now and getting a 1600, thhen buying whatevers hip in 2023 with the money you saved. also typing that really made me think about the future and past, damn

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>bought a 1600X, installed it and everything
>found out OC a 1600 is useless
>costed 50burgers more
>cant return it now
why am i like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYBcD8
How's it look? Any suggestions?

>>61671433
Yea your probably right. Anything is better than my current pc. chill tho

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So I am thinking about building something like pic related. Something to run old Win32 and DOS games with native 3D acceleration. Do you guys know of any resources I can use to find good optimal hardware, particularly a motherboard with a chipset that will play nicely with Windows 95 or 98? I just don't want random BSOD or entire OS crashes.

>>61671468
Switch to a Ryzen 7 1700 with a B350 motherboard

Thank you /pcbg/ for all the help. See you in my next upgrade.

>>61671439
Unless you got absolutely fucking shit silicon lottery your chip + aftermarket cooler should be able to push higher clock than everything except maybe the top 15% of 1600 and those must have aftermarket coolers as well.

>>61671494
chill?

>>61671468
read op, dont get i7

>>61671468
>SATA M.2 drive
Wasted potential.

>>61659695
is ryzen the best option for a budget workstation build? looking between a Xeon E5 1650 v3 vs Ryzen 1600. sorry if stupid

>>61671766
Out of your own pocket? Yeah.
Out of companies pocket? I am sure you can get a deal somewhere for cheaper

>>61671766
It really depends on the work you will be doing. If you don't need a graphics card then there are better options other than Ryzen. Get a budget CPU with integrated graphics, like the G4560, which is a little harder to get now than it was a short while ago, but is still a good option.

>>61671810
According to pcp, the G4560 is in stock

Should I wait for Volta's 1050 Ti? I'm only on 1080p.

>>61671843
1060 is fine if you can find it at MSRP or else Volta is 6 months away

>>61671836
Then grab one, so long as the price is proper.

I have my OS and all programs installed on an SSD
if I get an HDD to store media and install video games on, should I be concerned with the noise or is the HDD going to be quiet when I'm not using it?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4J9Nbj
This pc build is under $450 and could be less if the pentium g4560 drop price
Feel free to judge

>>61671858
if you let it spin down, it will

>>61671883
did you read the compat note

>>61671883
trying to keep the budget as low as possible?

Best GTX 1080 Ti in terms of high performance and but good cooling?

>>61671883
Good luck hitting that with shipping costs.

>>61670531
corelet

>>61671895
Yes I did, but I found out you could update the bios so the motherboard can work with the processor, I would rather but a cheap 110m mother and updated it then to buy a cheap h270 or b250 mother board saves me money :^)

>>61671897
Yeah, thanks for noticing

>>61671913
All 1080ti variants perform within 5%-10% of each other and that is down to the silicon which has nothing to do with the board partners.

So when picking a 1080ti it is choosing thermals, noise and other features. If you are willing to pay, EVGA and Asus strix comes up on top of all the premium brands. They have big ass coolers and shit like RGB or extra fan headers.

If not the MSI Gaming X and Auros comes up just behind in terms of thermals and noise.

Otherwise any 1080ti will do.

>>61671958
if only his most expensive component was fucking storage

'workstation' build. not trying to break the bank but need a better machine than my current.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dQW3Yr

>>61671971
You need a previously compatible CPU to update the BIOS for the new one.

>>61671971
are you going for gaming or just a decent web/video browser? if gaming how intensive?

>>61671971
>Yes I did, but I found out you could update the bios so the motherboard can work with the processor, I would rather but a cheap 110m mother and updated it then to buy a cheap h270 or b250 mother board saves me money
Do you understand how updating works> You need supported CPU in the first place to update it.
>Can't I just put the G4560 in it and then update it?
doesn't work that way. It will not boot at all. You're just thinking "oh I can update it" without thinking what updating entails. You have to factor in the price of a cheap Skylake Celeron CPU to do the update. At which point you could just buy a B250 or H270 board and be better off

i7-6700
GTX1070

I'm looking to upgrade my shitty monitor. Is 144hz worth it without G-Sync? Planning on buying the Viewsonic XG2401

>>61672013
You still need to be able to get INTO the BIOS in the first place in order to update it, which means you need a compatible CPU in the first place.

>>61671978
ive already changed this

>Go to place order
>Already spending more than I'm comfortable with on a monitor
>Amazon slaps on $10 in taxes
Fuck Amazon. Fuck Amazon. Fuck Amazon.

>>61672022
>>61672006
>>61671991
Thanks /g/uys

>>61672044
Make sure the monitor is perfect then.
RMA if you find BLB or dead pixels.
Make them bleed.

>>61672044
Claim it didn't arrive, get full refund.

>>61660265
t. sheckelstein

>>61672066
Amazon doesn't allow you to RMA unless the product is dead on arrival, per their return policy.

Amazon are awful Ferengi motherfuckers.

>>61672002
Yeah basically (for school too), but i don't need that much for gaming, i don't play intensive games, even if I did I wouldn't mind bumping down the settings to medium or low for that matter

>>61672044
amazon didn't invent taxes retard

>>61672107
Pretty sure Amazon charges tax even if they don't have to and just pocket it.

>>61672094
Then claim it is dead on arrival

>>61672147
Naw, not going to be a cunt unless I have to. I'm just frustrated. I was intending to maybe spend $100 for a new monitor. That ballooned into $130. Then someone told me I'd be better just buying a $150 IPS monitor because the other options are all overpriced already. The $150 monitor is $160 with tax added.

The climbing price point annoys the fuck out of me. I'm now hesitant to order it.

>>61672218
On the bright side a monitor will easily last you for what? 8 to 10 years? Spending an extra 60 bucks for something you will be using for the next 5 years minimum especially if it is of higher quality is worth it in my books.

>>61672227
Well, the thought is that I'll eventually get more income coming in and upgrade to something really nice and set this as my secondary when that happens, but I just genuinely hate spending money. Especially when it accrues debt.

>>61672218
Keep talking and I'll raise it again

t. amazon employee

>>61672245
Then go buy a second hand monitor and wait for the money to roll in. No need to go into debt to buy a new monitor

>>61672246
I just ordered it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F91AKYU/ref=twister_B01M9DQ2YF?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

I feel like I'm going to vomit now. Fuck I hate this.

>>61672266
I have that monitor. It is quality. But I hope you have a stable desk.

>>61672283
I don't even have a desk. I need to resolve that. I need to get some scrap and fabricate one.

>>61672300
Make a solid one. The monitor is quality, the only minus I will give it is that the stand isn't solid. If you put in on a shaky desk and type, you will notice a slight wobble.

>>61672313
Questions, then.

How is the backlight bleed? I've heard this is an issue. I like dark games and movies.

Is the 5ms response time acceptable for games? I was previously debating a $110 1ms TN panel, but went for this because of a compelling recommendation. I also figured 1ms is more a meme to sell old TN panels as "gamer gear" at a marked up price.

give me advice before i buy this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MnZtf8

>>61672366
Blacklight bleed is a panel to panel issue but mine doesn't suffer from BLB.

>Is the 5ms response time acceptable for games?
When i used to play on it i didn't notice it at all but now I am using it as my secondary (My main is now a XB271hu) and I am glad I bought as IPS because I have it at an angle from where I sit. The fastest game I play is Dota2 in terms of having crisp response time but yeah i never had an issue with the 5ms response time.

>>61672444
you're a disgusting animal but looks good. Going to guess you're only gaming?

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WHY THE FUCK IS ETHER SO STEADY NOW

>>61672444
Gaming headsets are a joke. Get a good pair of headphones and a mic you can velcro onto them.

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>>61672477
Thanks for the info. Hopefully I don't have to deal with dead pixels. That's my eternal fear.

>>61672506
I got both my monitors from a store so I had them open it up and let me test it before I bought it home. Luckily both of them didn't have any BLB or pixel issues.

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>>61672519
Stores are sadly not a thing around here anymore.

>>61672488
yes

>>61672535
Look up the policy for RMA/return for dead pixels then. Hope you get a good panel.

>>61672497
what would you reccomend then?

>>61672556
For $300? Go ask the Headphones thread. Don't fall for audiophile lies.

For $75? If you don't mind open audio, SHP9500S and a V-MODA BoomPro.

For $15? A Chi-Fi cellphone headset and a 50 cent splitter.

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>>61672600
Basically, you're tossing around a looooooot of cash in that part sheet. If you're looking to spend it, I'm not even tangibly aware of that tier of gear. I'm a cheap fucker, as I've established.

>>61672556
Get the ATH-AD700.
You literally cannot go wrong with that headphones. Good for gaming and good for general usage as well.
For the mic, just get a 5-10 dollar USB mic and use that.

Just finished building my Ryzen 7 system with a b350 motherboard (MSI Gaming Pro).

Which of these utilities are useful/do I need? Not talking about drivers but specifically the ones listed here. Not sure which ones are bloatware and which ones I should download.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350M-GAMING-PRO.html#down-utility

>>61672750
None

>>61672556
I got the Sennheiser HD 598 when they were on some huge sale a couple christmas's back. I'm tempted to get one of those audiophile boxes to plug it in for maximum quality.

>>61672829
Unless you are listening to music constantly in FLAC, you are not going to notice a difference from day to day usage.

How do you tell PCPartPicker to add a missing part to their list?

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So I got these gift cards from a local electronics retailer as work bonus. The prices are in eurocommies but nevermind. I initially wanted to get a Switch but they're constantly out of stock there so I got one from Amazon and want to use the gift cards to upgrade my GPU (7970 rn).

They don't have many models, so what would be the best deal here (prices including gift cards)?
>GTX 1060 (6G) for basically free (20 bucks)
>GTX 1070 for 230 EUR
>GTX 1080 for 310 EUR
>GTX 1080 Ti for 500 EUR

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4GB RAM and poor as shit
Is using part of my hard disk as RAM an okay option? Is there a recommended amount I should be doing? It all seems pretty sketchy to me, considering how much cheaper HDs are compared to RAM

Cheers

>>61673168
Your OS is already doing this for you, it's called the page file.

It's an absolute shit tier solution and only really works to ensure your computer doesn't physically run out of RAM (because it'd crash)

>>61673106
Instead of wasting money on nvidia, why not buy one of the new Vega RX cards when the stock is in?

What laptop that can run games is in the 750€ range?

Lets just act like this is a sane decision and point me towards decent models

>>61673106
Don't do this >>61673224 unless you want a house fire

>>61673224
the last 3 AMD cards I had were shit tier

2 broke, 7970 going strong for a couple years now but it's hot and loud AF.

just want to try something from the green team now

I haven't been waiting for anything it just so happens I got these gift cards last week

>>61673246
What resolution do you game at?

>>61673257
4k
Well, I have a 4k monitor, but obviously the 7970 doesn't run everything at 4k.
I know the 1080Ti is basically the go-to 4k solution, but the main reason I got the monitor is so I can read PDFs and code at 190PPI, not for gaymes.
The most taxing game I play rn is Overwatch, rest is 2D stuff or Telltale

The 1080 seems like the best price/performance pick I think. Not planning on playing any AAA games any time soon, and I suspect at the time I DO I need to upgrade again anyway

>>61673189
So that's a definite no then?
My paging file size right now is 4GB. I won't see any performance increase bumping that up to 8GB?

>>61673246
Vega matches the 1080, and going forward, AMD is the only way to go. Look at the entire gaming ecosystem and you'll see it.
Watch these. Super informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ktLeS4Fwlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSYBO1BrB1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMlSzts8fGQ&

nVidia isn't better. More often than not, AMD offers a better performing card at lower prices, but nvidia outsells them anyways.

>>61673294
>I won't see any performance increase bumping that up to 8GB?
No.
But you can try it yourself if you don't believe me.

There's really no other way than buying more RAM or reducing your RAM usage, if you find yourself running out of it.
At the point you start going to your page file, you lost, even with SSDs

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>>61673300
Stop this.

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>>61673322
Oo that's a bummer
Cheers though

>>61673300
nigga I'm not going to watch a one hour video for a shitty graphics card

I'm not a fanboy by any means, I just want to try something new. Besides, the retailer doesn't have any AMD cards besides 2 ridiculously expensive 480 models anyway.
No idea if, when, why, what Vega is going to do. I don't care.

>>61673335
>nigga I'm not going to watch a one hour video for a shitty graphics card
>I refuse to do any real research and will just buy what I *THINK* is best regardless of what the actual evidence points towards'

Nvidia buyers everyone! Just as retarded as Trump supporters.

>>61673357
>spend tens of hours into "research" (aka watching tech youtuber e-celebs)
>wait for half a year for several times postponed gpu
>get 1080 performance for higher price and twice the wattage
RTG buyers everyone

>>61673395
>buying graphics cards based on short sighted thoughts about current games instead of upcoming games
hmmm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOAQFpaGh8

>>61673421
>buying products based on your current needs instead of imaginary future games
haha yeah nvidia buyers are truly delusional amirite

>>61673499
>futureproofing is totally a meme guys!
>I w-won't n-need to replace my GPU for years!
>r-r-right?

i recommend amd to people, but shilling in this thread is seriously getting overboard. from what everyone saw RX vega is a fucking disaster and at this point even waiting for benchmark is a dumb idea.

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>>61673300
This is fucking genius. It's already in motion so there's no way nvidia can stop AMD.
>control the console market
>therefore control game development
>games are developed on AMD GPUs and CPUs
>When ported to PC, games are inherently broken on nvidia while working flawlessly on AMD
>this forces nvidia out of the market

Game developers have been hampered by being restricted to single-threaded CPUs, hence AMD's intense focus on multi-threading.

AMD is going to force nvidia out of the gaming market and become relevant through gaming, giving them the billions to tackle Intel.

>>61673778
If we're already playing make-a-wish I'm going to call for a PC port of RDR2

Would an i5 3570K be enough for 4K gaming with a vega 64?

>>61673836
>If we're already playing make-a-wish
What are you talking about. AMD already owns the console market and they won't give it up.
AMD APUs already power both the XBox One and the PS4.

https://pastebin.com/T2CF9t58

There would be a GPU upgrade next year

>>61673861
At 4.5ghz it would be ok but not great.

I know this isnt really the building part, but im looking for a good set of speakers for less than $100. Any suggestions?

Are people who use anti static wrist bands faggots?

>>61674297
No. They're just overly cautious.

how bad is gtx 1060 3gb? 1080p on medium high settings is it good?

>>61674658
It's shit. The 1060 3GB should not exist. It does not have enough VRAM for todays games. Get something with 4 GB or more. If prices were what they SHOULD be, You'd be grabbing an AMD RX 570 instead.

I want to upgrade my 8gb ram to 16gb.
MOBO doesn't support quad channel, but since I already have 2x4gb sticks, is it ok to buy another pair of 4gb sticks?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GJmhcc

what do you guys think? going for silent yet usable

>>61674255
Fug. I'd have to get a new cooler. And probably a new PSU to power the 64. At that point I might as well get a new CPU. How about 1440p with the vega 56? I can either get a completely new PC + 1080p display or new GPU that'll be mildly bottlenecked by the CPU + a 1440p/4K display.

>>61674995
The 3GB 1060 is trash. Get a 1050Ti instead. You need 4GB vram minimum.
Do you plan to upgrade the CPU over the next few years? If so, abandon the LGA1151 bullshit, swap to an AMD B350 motherboard, and grab a Ryzen 3 1200.
It has a MUCH more solid upgrade path for the future.

>>61674800
Yes. the motherboard will still see it as dual channel.

>>61675187
>You need 4GB vram minimum

No you don't.

>>61675337
because the 3GB 1060 only has 3GB of vram, it will completely tank in some games when compared against an AMD RX 570. Going forward, 4GB is the minimum.

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>>61659695
Just got this. What do you think?

>>61675351
No it won't. In-game settings exist and settings can be adjusted. People have been saying 4gb is the minimum since the 970/980 came out like 4 years ago and yet here were are with 3gb gpu like the 1060 and 2gb gpu like the 1050/560 which runs modern games absolutely fine with some minor settings tweaks.

>>61675457
>playing a game on shit quality settings
get out

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>be quiet! makes AIO liquid coolers up to 360mm
>nowhere sells them
>the smaller ones seem to only appear on backwater sites or ebay

>>61675472
Are you retarded ?

>>61675518
are you?

>>61675546
So high settings is shit amirite?

how good is this for $400 budget build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tM6rbj

>>61675658 (Me)
$500*

>>61675658
Get the 1050. Faster on average, better temps, better overclocking and also doesn't require a power connector.

>>61675658
Your first upgrade when you can afford it should be an SSD for your boot drive for sure.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DDjyPs
Thoughts on build? Also any recomended 120/120hz monitors?

>>61675876
Looks good. Too bad gpu prices are inflated because a 1070 would be perfect for that build. I still remember when 1060 6gb were going for 195 quid back in March and 1070s for around 340. Fuck these miners.

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did i goof up?

>>61676093
>i7
>flash drive

>>61676184
For the OS

>>61676093
>i7
Yes

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Should I Ryzen 1600 or 1700?

>>61676093
don't listen to amd shills. the worst thing about this is the slow ram, though you can try overclocking (some can oc quite a bit). also you need a cpu cooler

>>61676766
go for 1700 only if you can make use of the additional cores (gaming doesn't count)

>>61676797
Will mostly be using my computer for gaming, browsing, and watching various video files (downloaded and YouTube)

>>61676782
Already have a cryorig r1 ultimate

>>61676936
>he doesn't water cool

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>>61676954
>Implying I have that much to spend on a NEETS salary

>>61676995
its not actually that much more expensive than a gryogrig but liquid cooling is a meme

Which videocard i should buy? I have a 500W 80 plus bronze power supply and a AMD FX-8120 Octa-core. The heaviest game that i want to play is Fallout 4.

>>61677030
I forgot to say that i have a 1600x900 monitor, so i think i don't need a 4GB videocard.

>>61677030
1050 Ti
500 watts probably doesn't leave you much headroom, but the 1050 doesn't require a dedicated power cable, pulls everything it needs from the PCIe slot

>>61677070
God bless you, champ.

>>61677123
Seriously though, you should go look at a new PSU
600-650 with 80+ Gold won't cost you that much

>>61677131
>>61677123
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438094
Currently $80 if you don't mind playing the rebate game