Vega $499 for air cooled, $599 for liquid cooked version

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>>61638548
Also, a $399 version, but its probably cut down Vega

>>61638548
the GTX 1080 is already $400. RIP AMD.

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>>61638567
>yfw $400 version has been the benchmarked one matching 1080 all along
>yfw nice try, pajeet

>300W TDP

But then again, fanboys buy everything thrown at them, even shit.

Why can't it be a cheaper 1070 then it would be way more reasonable

When is the NDA gonna be lifted?

I am waiting for reviews of tech portals.

Not gonna watch some advertisment presentation and some faggot shill on YT.

>>61638621
Rajeet please stop drinking JHH's semen.

>>61638627
Take yout tongue out of King Poojet's anal for once, Rajeesh.

>tmw Vega comes, not reasonable price enough to buy
>would it be smart to buy polaris?????
Yes

>>61638621
>implying all paid shills aren't pajeets.
I understand your frustration, Mr. Patel

>>61638614
Why can't it be cheaper than a 480, that would be way more reasonable

>2 8pin

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

$400 for the 56 CU model?

>>61639036
This will be the one to get, AMD's XL models are only some 10% at best slower than XTX ones, should be around the 1080.

>>61639060
If the 56 is around 1080 power but $100 cheaper at 399 it's not actually too bad desu. Not the huge leap people are looking for. Will have to see how the 64 holds up

[UPDATED – 7:36 AM ET 30/7/2017] We just got word that RX Vega 56 will cost $399 and the Limited Edition liquid cooled RX Vega 64 will retail for $699 and be part of a “special bundle”. We don’t know yet what this bundle will look like. We’ve now heard similar price quotes for the entire lineup from multiple sources, which is a good sign.

>>61640437

>LC Vega and 1800x $699 bundle
I WANT TO BELIEVE...

>>61638567
>implying you can buy a new 1080 for anything less than $500

>>61638599
>300 watts
please tell me they're joking.....

>>61640501
Daily reminder that AMD and Nvidia calculate TDP differently

>>61640576
Intel doesn't even bother calculating it, costs too much pennies over a few years.

>>61640459
LC Vega and 1200 kek

56 = 1070
64 = 1080
64 with Liquid = higher clock speed then air closer to 1080ti performance but still short

>>61640702
>56 = 1070
>64 = 1080

10%(at best)less performance than a 1080 = 1070? Lol, the 1080 is a good 30% faster than a 1070.

>>61638548
499 for the first 3 days, afterward it will be 800 because of all mining shiters

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This NDA needs to hurry up and lift, already, so I can know whether or not to wait for Navi

or you could just wait longer and get the 2070 card which will probably have similar performance 1080ti for $399

>>61640576
Reminder than 1080 draws half the power.

>>61640773
Yes, 2070 will totally have the die size of 471mm^2.

>>61640802
What is GTX 1070 310mm2 performance equal to GTX 980 Ti 600mm2

Stay retarded though

>>61640713
huh? the 56 and 64 are not the same card

>>61640847
1070 is a double node jump you fucking retard.

Get back to /v/

>>61640802
if it is made in a smaller node (7nm instead of 14nm) they may cut the area in half.

>>61640869
What is GTX 980 390mm2 faster than GTX 780 Ti 560mm2 at 28nm?

CHECKMATE, FAGGOT

>>61640797
>200w+
>half

Reminder that 1080ti has a TDP rating from Nvidia of 250w, but regularly approaches 300w, and up to 320w on OC variants.

Also the water cooler adds to that number, silly

>>61640894
Because the 780ti slower than a first gen GCN

>>61640891
What?
Volta is 12nm FFN which offers 0% density improvements over 16nm FF+.
>>61640894
>what is TBR
?

>>61640894
A completely new architecture on top of Kepler being a piece of shit that's getting outperformed by cards 2 years older.

>>61640894
GK110 wastes the die space for FP64.

>>61638548
>liquid cooked

housefire confirmed

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>>61641442
>not frying your turkey with GPU power

Pic related.
Its an actual, real, toaster, powered by Nvidia GPU's.

Seriously. Google it.

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>>61641503

>>61640702
>64 with Liquid = higher clock speed then air closer to 1080ti performance

No even close

>>61641725
They are genuinely delusional

>>61641759
>they
Who?

>>61641791
Rajas

>>61641839
Who?

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BENCHMARKS WHEN

>>61641759
Sadly

>>61641909
Hopefully tomorrow.

>>61641909
1070 to 1080 performance, +300w housefire.

But sweden promised me that vega was going to cost $1100

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>>61641952
looks like we will talk about it tomorrow>>61641935

>>61642190
>talk
Ha ha no.
Expect crying wojak edits from either side.

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>>61642210
I THOUGHT VEGA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 500% FASTER THAN 1080TI

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wait (tm)

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>>61642210
O-okay

>>61640501
>please tell me they're joking.....

Lol it's 300-375 actually. I think one outlet reported 400W after some overclocking.

>>61640501
a 1080 now starts at $900 where i live. it used to be around $650 months ago

>>61638548
Those high TDP #s are doing nothing for me w.r.t elevated power usage and a toasty room. Eyeing the 56 hoping it will have lower power usage/lower heat output with 1080 level performance @$399. I'm in if so. Will possible consider @ 1070 level performance but if its TDP is double that of a 1070 yet only performs at a 1070 level, R.I.P.

I didn't buy a housefire 1080/1080ti for a reason.
Performance efficiency matters.

>>61642383
>december
WHAT DECEMBER YOU FUCKS REEEEEEEE

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Sweet. I can finally get a 1440p 144hz monitor. Only buying Vega for freesync but I'm saving $300 on the monitor so even if Vega was $200 more expensive I still save $100. Fucking so hype, been dying to get adaptive sync. My 980ti gets 21000 in firestrike graphics score so it's probably only a minor upgrade but whatever

>>61642545
How much worse than the 1070 is the 1080 on heat, really?

>>61642605
>Only buying Vega for freesync but I'm saving $300 on the monitor

Please try to put a little bit more effort into your shilling. At least mix up the phrasing from your marketing bullet point sheet a little.

>>61642383
So is it going to be $399 like the link in the OP says or $329?

>>61642630
It's nividas fault for not supporting it. They're just losing sales. Shill or not it's the truth. Freesync is a huge deal for me

>>61642675

Freesync/Gsync is nothing but fluff. If screen tearing is such a huge issue then you should probably upgrade from your Pentium CPU. The real benefit of AMD is not being subjected to Nvidia's cancerous software every time you install drivers, and knowing you're not going to have literal actual malware that throws ads on the desktop bundled in.

>>61642605
xSync is really a thing?

>>61638548
>flagship videocard under 800
>during this crypto mining boom
ahahahahahah

>>61638548
>Wccftech
>I want to believe...
don't
wccftech literally just throws shit at a wall
just because something sticks from time to time doesn't mean you should ever believe them

>>61642873
videocardz.com is reporting this too. at least a credible salsa

>>61642675
>>61642726
>Worse case you can just use v-sync.

>>61642966
enjoy your halved framerate every time your system takes a shit

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>>61642645
329 is more reasonable. but december is too late.

>>61642873
the closer to launch it gets the more credible what they say gets.

>>61638565

thats the AIB card.

>>61640771

kek.

i want to know if im gonna buy vega or 1080ti.

>people taking fake tweets seriously

>>61642936
but the source is literally just some guy in a forum who says he saw the prices on newegg but they removed it and he didn't think to take pictures

>>61640771
if you have something lower then a 2/380 vega is a solid upgrade

if you have something 290 or higher, vega likely won't be a solid enough upgrade

>>61643393
I'm on a Fury X now. I have a FS monitor, and I can get 144+ FPS on just about anything, if I research what settings to turn down or off, but I want MORE... MOAR POWER!!!

Honestly, I shouldn't complain. Fury X is p underrated, considering how well it's done for me. Quiet, cool, and most of all, it justwerks

>>61643393
not him, I'm on a HD6670

this is going to be good

Is Vega Going To Be Much Better Than GTX 1070 With Over Clock ?

>>61643518
We don't know.

>>61643531
When Is Embargo Removal Scheduled ? Was Today, No ?

>>61643574
Looks like it's gonna be tomorrow's evening.

>>61643465
You're on that 1440p 144hz game? If so, same here. The only triple A games i play are unironically HITMAN and DOOM so I'm pretty happy with the 280 dollars I spent on this card. What kind of CPU are you running? I got a xeon e3-1231 v3 with 1600 ddr3 ram and I'm wondering if upgrading my cpu will even improve my performance at this resolution.

>>61643574
I think in around 8 hours, or so

>>61643574
NDA lifts tomorrow.

>>61643591
Yee, 1440p mustard race, my Boi.

I'm on a 6700k now, with 16Gib DDR4. It was an improvement over my oc'd 8350, but not like I was hoping. Should've waited for Ryzen desu

>>61643613
>Just wait™ a little longer

>>61643622
JUST WAIT NIGGA

I cant wait to buy vega

https://videocardz.com/71399/amd-releases-official-pictures-of-radeon-rx-vega-64

>Retards actually believed it would be any different than FE

Enjoy your 300-350W, 440W overclock HOUSEFIRES

>>61643666
weak bait, Satan.

Has there been any news about the Raven Ridge APUs lately? Mainly if they're going to use ~700 or 1024 Vega cores.

>>61643736
It tops at 11CUs which means 704 ALUs.

>>61643666

im gonna guess its 25-50watts more than the 1080ti. but you fags will still scream HOUSEFIRE just so you can fuel a meme.

>>61643736
>>61643754
I'm still predicting 12cus for full fat chip. 11 makes no sense and is a shit number.

>>61643879
Maybe it's 11 after binning and 12CUs are full fat APU die.
Who knows, AMD is silent about Vega, Raven Ridge and Snowy Owl.

>>61643590
>>61643613
Source?

I Don't Care How Much Heat Or What Price They Are. I Am Die Hard Fan So I Buy AMD. Fuck Off To You Nvdia !

>>61643894
Snowy Owl is a name that will never make me not chuckle.

>>61643894
>Snowy Owl.
Isnt it treadripper?

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>>61643967
Why? It's a bird.

>>61643936
Closed door presentation today and NDA lift tomorrow. AMD SIGGRAPH presentation starts in 7-8 hours.

>>61643754
I've read that the engineering sample that there's information about could be a mobile version. I wonder if there could still be the 1024 core version that was talked about previously.

>>61643879
The 11 CU number is from an engineering sample, though it is an odd number.
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-raven-ridge-zen-apu-sisoftware-vega-gpu

>>61643988
No, it's Xeon-D from AMD.
But yes it's also 2 Zeppelin dies, just clocked very low.

>>61641909
>512 TERABYTES
>(virtual address space)
Pls, every modern 64bit CPU has 256TB address space and that has absolutely zero relevance to how much RAM you can use on a real system.

>>61643990
I'm aware, but giving that name to a processor is just incredibly funny to me.
It's probably just me being an idiot, but man I can't help but laugh internally when I think about the phrase "Powerful Snowy Owl CPU".

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>>61642210

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Yfw the $399 is the same card and all you have to do is unlock it

>>61644179
>tfw Ryzen 1200 @ 4Ghz has the same single thread score as a 1800X

>>61644068
>laughing about snowy owls

until it reaps your carotid in the dark

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>>61638548
>All this speculations
>When the first wave is going to be bought up by miners

Friendly reminder that miners ruin everything

>>61644190
>2 processors based on the same architecture with clock rate have the same single thread performance
What the fuck did you expect?

>>61644190

yeah its the exact same fucking cpu arch so ofc.

>>61644215

you just said something stupid. allow me to correct you.

vega is a shit card for mining.
prices are final.

>>61644215
with that TDP miners wont touch it.

>>61644253
>vega is a shit card for mining.
Who said that?

>>61644277
Okay, it's shit for ETH.

>>61644277
He just did

I can't wait to see all the doom, and aots benchmarks. If we're lucky we might even get some testimonials that state how buttery smooth it is, and that they couldn't tell a difference when compared to the 1080 ti while gaming while others say that vega actually felt better in game.

>>61644277
it's a meme to keep them out buying them

I need ALL the AMD & nVidia wojak edits nao.
Post 'em.

>>61644288

you really think the reviewers will only bench those games?

here is what i predict.

all reviewers will review using the shittiest games possible, and then the nvidiafags will use the GTA5 bench to show how shitty Vega is, and then AMD guys will just use all the other 50 benchmarks as a refutal.

>>61644342
Vega does mighty fine in geometry though.

>>61643615
If you aren't getting the results you want at 1440p, your bottleneck is not the 6700k, it's far more likely your gpu.

I have a 6700k at 4.6 ghz with a 1080 and I get 120+fps at 1440p in most games.

Ryzen would literally be a downgrade for gaming

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>>61644323

>>61644342
>you really think the reviewers will only bench those games?

If they want to keep getting review samples from AMD, then yes.

>>61644342
>you really think the reviewers will only bench those games?
>here is what i predict.
>all reviewers will review using the shittiest games possible, and then the nvidiafags will use the GTA5 bench to show how shitty Vega is, and then AMD guys will just use all the other 50 benchmarks as a refutal.

They'll push doom, and aots, and the 50 games that amdqueers will post will be some garbage that no one plays.

>>61644378
>If they want to keep getting review samples from AMD, then yes.
This is why it's closed off. They need to tell the reviewers how to review their products properly, and how to avoid any amd retaliation when doing so.

>>61644277
TDP moron

>>61644437
What's closed off?

>>61644362
I run a podcast, so audio and video are big for me. I thought the single core performance jump would make up for the moarcores, but it wasn't much of an improvement sadly

>>61640771
navi will be an the first mcm gpu pretty sure everyone is waiting for it lol

>>61644437
I how to lie.
Amd is doa at least as a performance product.

>>61644437
The SIGGraph presentation and the NDA on reviews are different things you stupid fucknozzle.

>>61644362
funny when Ryzen is only like 8FPS less in 1440p vs the 7700k you fucking shill.

>>61644496
no one implied that they're the same though.

>>61644626
Now i need nVidia wojaks.

>>61644045
It's all part of the HSA plans amd has, vega in theory can be part of a unified compute machine without having to be hand fed by a cpu.

>>61644342
>if you don't bench in my special DX12 ayysync AMD sponsored games then you are wrong and your benches are wrong you dirty jew

>>61644503
Yeah, no shit you stupid cunt.

That's because you are talking about a gpu bottleneck, so the difference will be smaller.

That doesn't mean the 6700k oc'd isn't a heck of a lot more powerful in gaming than Ryzen

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>>61645122

>That doesn't mean the 6700k oc'd isn't a heck of a lot more powerful in gaming than Ryzen

Well, given you didn't specify what ryzen models I guess that is an accurate statement.

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>>61638548
>this entire thread

>>61645216
That doesnt change the fact vega is another shit.
Just now time to wait for navi.

>>61638619
>When is the NDA gonna be lifted?

Once they send out their Review Manipulation Package™ and ensure Ashes and Hitman are the only 2 games anyone is allowed to show.

>>61645262
Doom too. But doom engine is so good it can run even on APUs in decent performance.,

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>>61645260
>i-i-it will be s-s-hit just t-t-trust me

>>61645285
This only means doom engine is fucking fantastic.

>>61645367
This.

Doom is an excellent example of how a game should be optimized at the developer level. We don't deserve id software

>>61642383

>JUST
>KEEP
>WAITING

>>61640773
You meant 1170? Or you meant to wait for 10 years?

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>>61642605

>1440p 144hz
>Vega

>>61643591
>The only triple A games i play are unironically HITMAN and DOOM

Jesus you're like the embodiment off all things AMD Shilling. Might as well throw in Ashes and compelte thr trifecta.

>>61645496
It's like you want him to play ghost recon and battlefield instead, not that I think doom is good game regardless.

>>61643867
>im gonna guess its 25-50watts more than the 1080ti

My MSI Duke 1080 Ti can push as high as ~320W with a big overclock, that's already pushing it and is within a few watts of some multicard systems. Reference 1080 SLI is around 370W

You REALLY don't want AMD to give you some piece of shit that runs worse than this card and eats 50W more than that.

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>>61638548

The rendering on those fake pictures is EXTREMELY bad. Like holy shit bad. You'd have to be a fool to fall for this.

Hell, look at that PCI pin reflection that was clearly added as an afterthought in photoshop with a copy-paste and Gaussian blur. It's not even proper GI reflection on the shroud within the render itself.

>>61645085
not my fault Nvidia lies about async

>>61645610
Who gives a shit?

>>61645610
they literally showed it in a video you dumb nigger

>>61645926

>Who gives a shit that people are buying into fake articles

Are you AMD shills so desperate for a card that can pass midrange performance that you'll delude yourself into believing fake news so you can have one final 24 hours of pretending Vega won't be shit?

>>61645941
>>61645926

Tip for samefagging. Don't type the same way and don't type your next samefag post within 60 seconds and leave it to AutoPost so it ends up replying at exactly 60 seconds after the last.

Little too obvious.

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>>61645216

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>>61645947
WTF are you on about you absolute autist.

how long until it starts?

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>>61645964
Just fucking kill yourself.

>>61645610

jesus H christ. go fuckyourself with your shitty posts.

>Somebody links to videocardz.com
I can't think of an uglier western tech site than that with a more horrendous news interface.

>>61643615
4k is all that matters and nvidia is the only card that can support it

>>61644190
Except without latency incurred from IF hopping.
You have better single thread if you could push the clocks but we need to wait for process halving and any refinements they feel are necessary at gen 2.

>>61647020
>4k
Come back when you can do 144hz then.

>>61647020
>4k is all that matters
The 0.5% of gamers that have displays with a higher resolution than 1440p are irrelevant.

>>61643615
Should've gotten a 6600k, I have no issues hitting the GPU-dependent fps limit. At lowered resolutions I think the worst I've seen was 120fps on Witcher

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Vega is fine for those who want to invest in Freesync.

I doubt it will change anything in the high-end GPU gaming market though. Volta isn't going to be that much of a bump either.

>MFW when the "dark ages" of GPU gaming performance has begun

>>61645367
GUYS SEE HOW GREAT DOOM RUNS ITS BECAUSE VULKAN WE NEED CULKAN ON EVERYTHING MOBILE DOTA IS THE FUTURE

>>61647190
Just because AMD is shitty you cant say really its dark ages.

Anyway, Vega is the perfect companion to zen. Its the perfect 1080p gaming machine at 60hz, the best in AMD class. Its a match made in india

>>61647229
Kill yourself.

>>61645434
>>61645367

This time ID really nailed with their ID engine. The thing is a beast, with all set on ultra 1440p one 1080 it runs avg 130hz.

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>>61647233
Poo on it

>>61643615
>1440p
MY NEW CPU ISNT TRIPLING MY FPS WHATS GOING ON

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>375w TDP

Don't forget to upgrade your fire suppression system AMD cucks.

Vega is going to offer best in class 1440poo performance. Just watch, intel fags.

>>61647375
>that image
Seems like someone else needs to upgrade.

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>>61644467
>audio
Literally means nothing to a computer
>video
Shouldn't be processed entirely on CPU anyways
>multitasking
Then you shouldn't have gotten a gaymen CPU, this isn't new knowledge
>1440p
Clearly a CPU upgrade wasn't gonna blow your mind at 1440p without a top tier GPU
This is all your fault

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>>61647387
Yah ya
>Just WAIT

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>>61647423
AMD's new pooxel technology will revolutionize the game.

>he's still rendering pixels

>>61647367
See
>>61644467
You colossal faggot.

>>61647415
>audio literally means nothing to a computer

T. Never used or configured a DAW in my life

>>61647458
Yeah, modern vsts support multicore and use heavy oversampling to eliminate aliasing. This one can bring a cpu to its knees with a poly patch:

http://www.u-he.com/cms/diva

>>61645964
>exactly 60 seconds
B-but those are 54 seconds apart and have different grammatical fingerprints, anon

>>61647501
Did I fucking say VST?
Did I say anything about high-processing synth layers? Are you not talking about recording your retarded voice in audacity, maybe, just maybe adding some reverb and cropping it in windows movie maker?
I do make music actually, over 90% in-the-box as well, with many instances of even the memiest VSTs, and my 6600k has never had a single issue, I haven't even had to flatten any VST tracks since I was using an i3 laptop

>>61647543
I can smell the butthurt, from here, holy shit.

Also, when running a podcast, you're often running skype/Discord, zencastr or another external recording client, for guests, your DAW, and whatever else you need, such as browsers, video queues, etc.

Combine that with low buffer, and you've got yourself a hard working processor

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i have just enough money for an air cooled vega on release, going to wait for benchmarks though.
>please don't fucking fail me amd i've been waiting almost 2 years now to go red

>>61647589
I just want to upgrade from my old ass 670, if vega doesn't deliver then i'm just getting another nvidia card.

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>>61647190
>dark ages
Nvidia is making bigger jumps than ever.
How is it a dark age?

Just because AMD keep going backwards in performance, doesn't mean we are stuck.

>>61647709
Wow, a two node jump is awesome!
THANK YOU LEATHER JACKET MAN!

>>61647584
You put commas in weird places...

>>61647709
You're back to sub 30% improvement starting with Volta you idiot, there's no 2 full node jump to double the transistor density.

>>61647709
>9 game average performance
>1440p
>480, 580 and 680 have inadequate VRAM for modern titles

This comparison is shit, and like Biggie said "If ya don't know, now ya know nigga"

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-radeon-rx-vega-64-pictured

>Clocks confirmed: 1247/1546 MHz

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>61647732
I'm a fan of the Oxford comma

>>61647922
Why do all the AMD cards look exactly the same?

>>61647922
>1247
that... doesn't look very impressive.

>>61647952
because they're reference card ?

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-10-vega-11-and-vega-20-rumors-and-discussion.59649/page-157#post-1993744
Yay.

>>61647933
Definitely weren't using an oxford comma

>>61648000
3 hours to go

wasn't vega going to cost $800+, as /g/ said?

>>61648079
Just like AMD was never going to sell 8cores for <$800?
Heh.

>>61641503
Huh... So that's what they did with their Thermi leftover GPUs then.

>>61648079
maybe sweden as a 40% taxes on gpu

Should i buy CLC Limited One or wait for obvious Sapphire Nitro+ "kill jacketman" edition?

>>61648079
Yes, if you believed the autistic shriek squad on /g/ you'd believe RX Vega costs more, runs hotter and is even more expensive than FE Vega.

>>61648143
>RX Vega for $600?
>What do you mean it's going to cost $800?
>No I won't pay $1000 for an AMD card!
>(in the distance)
>Get your $1200 prices out of here!

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i hope youre all ready to APOLOGIZE

>>61648219
YES R300 RAJEET
Also bless whoever designed Limited Edition refs.

>>61648219
>now it's YOU in LOO

any links to where text streams will happen?

>>61648374
AMD dont want stream the event

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-capsaicin-siggraph-launch-no-livestream/

>>61648433
Text stream, anon.
>>61648374
Shrout (PcPer) will do one.

>>61640869
/v/ is filled with console autists who measure custom gpu's with tflops

>>61648558
They think that better GPU is a bigger flop?

>>61647738
>sub 30% improvement starting with Volta
Send me a link to Volta benchmarks

>>61647825
Bunch of those games aren't Ram hogs.
But, adding Vram doesn't somehow increase performance by 30%

>>61648689
>But, adding Vram doesn't somehow increase performance by 30%
unless you have a 970 :^)

>>61648650
yes

>>61638599
>300w
I'll take a wait and see approach. Wait and see idle and load measurements vs nvidia. And FPS/watt.
Remember nvidia's definition of TDP is some absolute bullshit, so real measurements is the only thing that matters.

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>>61648816

>>61649357
It's ridiculous we're doing this a few hours before the capsaicin event.

>>61649386
Look at the other threads, Nvidiots have been unstoppable in shitposting for the last hour, not even the fabled smug-anime-girl response works.

>>61649402
We are fucking brigaded by jensen's speshul trap shitposters.

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>>61649585
>confusing 1080ti and 1080

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>>61641503
>it's not just a GTX480 shoved in an insulated box

awwww

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>CARDS ONLY AVAILABLE IN SEPTEMBER

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>61649946
More rumor nonsense 2 hours before capsaicin?

>>61649946
So who here is gonna get BLACKED?

>>61649946
What are the packs?

Holy shit imagine getting something like a 1600 with the $700 Vega

>>61649946
That is only estimated price. They all say September so what would be the point of putting it there if they're all the same? Plus they're giving the BIOS to partners long before September. tl;dr kill yourself all-caps shitposting retard.

pengen ngentot gan

>>61645434
Since Bethesda owns id, is there any hope they will leverage the doom engine for their next Elder Scrolls game? God I fucking hope.

>>61649946
Eh, rip 399 and 499 card anyway. Miners are going to destroy prices if eth will stay above 150.
Ca

>>61650184
up to $100 discount for a Ryzen/motherboard combo and up to $200 for a freesync monitor plus two games for $100 more.

>>61650300
Wouldn't that probably hurt TES's favored modability, though? While playing a TES game in a non-archaic engine sounds like a dream, I still want to install some mods after a few playthroughs.
Maybe if they release some good mod tools.

So where's perf/watt and perf/clock gains?
64CU Polaris would perform better.
Why does Vega11 would ever exist then?

Who cares about reference, I want to know AIB cost, do the "packs" apply to them and if they do not are they gonna be cheaper?

Speaking of Fiji, there’s been some question over whether the already shipping Vega FE cards had AMD’s Draw Steam Binning Rasterizer enabled, which is one of the Vega architecture’s new features. The short answer is that no, the DSBR is not enabled in Vega FE’s current drivers. Whereas we have been told to expect it with the RX Vega launch. AMD is being careful not to make too many promises here – the performance and power impact of the DSBR vary wildly with the software used – but it means that the RX Vega will have a bit more going on than the Vega FE at launch.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-amd-announecs-499-rx-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/3

Looks like it's time to wait.

>>61651573
>August 14th
Another two weeks for launch and independent reviews.

>>61651573
Okay boys, strap in and wait for drivers.

>>61651885
Strap into the driverless bus as it flies towards the cliff

That's what this feels like

will amd activate all the features or they're broken forever?

So, the vega 56 is the one to get. Max framerates are 1080 tier, yet the minimum framerates are way higher, meaning it's silky smooth.

Too bad I have to wait for VEGA 56, 2 more weeks, but I'm totally getting the smooth card with a lot of finewine potential over a laggy nvidia 1080.

>>61652639
they're all working on the professional drives, Vega FE does some sick things on professional workloads
they just need time to write the gaming drivers properly

>>61652684
at best with optimizations I would expect another 5 to 10%. Not enough to justify many of the problems with the architecture, and the lateness of the product. It might very well be a great product in a vacuum but the 1080 is still a very compelling product and has a reputation of being a good card.

>>61652720
Do not underestimate FineWine.
AMD's performance is always severely gimped on release.

>>61652748
fuck sake its not like they had 2+ years to work on the drivers for this

they should have dumped HBM2 memeory

>>61652748
5 to 10 % is a pretty severe gimping at these figures, but still that's the most realistic gain in about 6 to 8 months before volta comes out and makes the product completely irrelevant.

I appreciate the effort they put into driver development after the fact but holy shit can't they just release a sound product for once?

>>61652763
and they worked extremely hard on the professional drivers, because they're working on release

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>>61652720
Come on, we're talking about AMD here. Their official driver devs can't code thier way out of a wet paper bag.
We won't see what these cards are really capable of until a couple of guys in their garage get the cards and get them going on the open source drivers.

My current GPU started out slower than a 650.
Now its faster than a 1050.

>>61652768
>5 to 10 % is a pretty severe gimping at these figures, but still that's the most realistic gain in about 6 to 8 months
Is this based on AMD's history? I remember the improvement after just 3 month or so was pretty crazy with polaris.

>>61652776
the linux drivers were truly abhorrent before the open source stack was added. While this is awesome it's not representative of actual gains pushing the limits of the hardware.

>>61652783
I may be mistaken about the actual figures but the 480 launch was so abysmal you might be right.

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We got a nano.

when's this presentation going to end

>>61652819
>the linux drivers were truly abhorrent before the open source stack was added. While this is awesome it's not representative of actual gains pushing the limits of the hardware.
They were, but the way they opened GPU documentation back in HD4850 days is why I got that card, my first AMD card.
Right now I'm on R9 380x and AMD's is the best GPU experience possible on open software drivers.
NVIDIA was one nightmare after another, before that.

>even the poo in loo shill admits their cards only kind of go toe to toe sort of with the green equivalents released like 15 months ago
amd pajeets do it again, how are these retards still in business

>>61645262
Battlefield 1, infinite warfare, hitman, farcry primal, fallout 4 and doom.

>>61652841
will vega be open source?

Hmm, from the anandtech article

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-amd-announecs-499-rx-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/

Third page, some info after today's embargo been lifted.

I quote:
>Speaking of Fiji, there’s been some question over whether the already shipping Vega FE cards had AMD’s Draw Steam Binning Rasterizer enabled, which is one of the Vega architecture’s new features. The short answer is that no, the DSBR is not enabled in Vega FE’s current drivers. Whereas we have been told to expect it with the RX Vega launch. AMD is being careful not to make too many promises here – the performance and power impact of the DSBR vary wildly with the software used – but it means that the RX Vega will have a bit more going on than the Vega FE at launch.

So... it is disabled. Whether or not the "benchmark" numbers amd gave are with it enabled or disabled is anyone's guess.

What a serious PITA.

>>61652866
Check out GPUOpen initiative.

>>61652866
The chip's internal design? No way.
As for the hardware programming documentation, I expect them to publish it as they've been doing since the HD4850.

>>61652776
>Come on, we're talking about AMD here. Their official driver devs can't code thier way out of a wet paper bag.

>Interestingly, Vendor B has a tiny tools team that actually makes some pretty useful debugging tools that actually work much of the time - as long as you are using vendor B's GPU. Without Vendor B's tools togl and Source1 Linux would have taken much longer to ship.

>On the bright side, and believe it or not, Vendor B knows the OpenGL spec inside and out - to the syllable. If you can get them to assist you, their advice is more or less reasonable about plain GL matters (not extensions).

http://richg42.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html

the problem is that they are shit, just that they have so few of them. you either need to start fresh with the current mess or try to untangle it, which costs a lot of dosh (which amd didn't really have).
it should also be easier with dx12/vulkan where GPU vendors don't have to fix gayme devs incompetence

>>61652866
AMD was upstreaming epyc and threadripper to the linux kernel months before they were released to the market

id assume the same would be for radeons

>>61652900
*aren't shit. shouldn't post half asleep...

>>61652906
Unfortunately AMD let some of the Windows guys take a crack at Vega support for Linux and they shat out an unmergeable mess that's still not been cleaned up enough to go upstream.

>>61652900
Yeah AMD does have some good people working for them, they hired a bunch of the Mesa guys to basically fund them to keep doing what they were doing, they just haven't managed to clean house and dump the DirectX guys.

I could have gone team green over a year ago and enjoyed the same experience AMD are delivering just now, except Nvidia delivered 100% performance from day one and almost 50% less power consumption.

I'm never waiting for an AMD GPU again.

>>61642383
lmao at this point , AMD is like almost 2 years behind NVIDIA . SAD

>>61652991
You will wait for navi. You will not buy volta

>>61652866
The kernel patches are already out, they just have yet to be merged because of some ongoing quality issues with the code drop since the Windows team wanted to share code and made the kernel pieces with hardware abstraction layers.

Mesa is already in good shape but its based on timed releases and so Vega will probably not be that great at launch but will get better every three months as the new stable release comes out.

17.2 is due in August so 17.3 should be November.

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1 year late
Power hungry
an overclock 1070 will beat it easily
Shit in mining

who goin to buy this crap

>>61652971
problem is you still need those directx guys currently for the majority of games, which are still 11 or even 9.
it will take a while till vulkan/dx12 will be as widespread as dx9/11, till then we have to endure I guess

>>61652872
>So... it is disabled. Whether or not the "benchmark" numbers amd gave are with it enabled or disabled is anyone's guess.
>
>What a serious PITA.
I'm seriously annoyed. Whether and how well DSBR is implemented is likely to be a key factor in how the performance stacks up.

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. Given its technical specifications and uarch features, the watercooled Vega should be in a position to at least trade punches with a 1080ti, and yet AMD themselves are talking about positioning between a 1080 and 1080ti.

If that was going to be the case why didn't they just cancel it and do big Polaris or a higher clocked Fiji a year ago? Nothing about this makes any sense whatsoever.

>>61653116
>I'm seriously annoyed.
Same. A trickle of information ever since the make some noise nonsense.
It's going to be the same mess as always. Wait for release day for benchmarks. Then these benchmarks are useless after a month or two with new driver versions.
I still love amd somehow. For publishing the hw programming docs, for having good low-cost offerings, and for all the proper stuff they do (freesync, mantle/vulkan, cross-vendor libraries for game developers and so on).

>Blower style cooler on a 300W tdp card.
Kek cant wait for this shit to run at 100% fan speed to keep it under 90 C.

All memes aside, a Vega 56 + Ryzen 7 discount + freesync discount should be pretty damn good right?

>>61653296
Not for the $900 screen they are offering the discount for which goes for $700 on amazon anyway kek.

>>61653296
No. Because that monitor is a Ultrawide curved 4k monitor and your Vega 56 will absolutely not be able to drive it.

>>61653116

I think that AMD has squeezed out everything they can from GCN and DSBR is unlikely to help Vega compete with the 1080 Ti.

They need to do the same as Nvidia and find a way to make a gaming only card and a compute card. Can't do both at once now unfortunately. But this means that Navi will probably take a long time to arrive.

>>61653285

>card hits 1% load
>achieves fission
Official GPU of North Korea confirmed.

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>>61652872
>performance impact of the DSBR varies wildly
hmm, where did I see performance varying wildly before..?

>>61653320
if navi really is scalable and works good enough it would be killing 2 birds with one stone. question is when it will release...

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>>61653305 #
>>61653319 #
Yeah, the monitor is a meme, but what about pic related? Looks like a better deal than a fucking 1070, a R7 1700X + Vega 56 sounds pretty exciting to me. Or should I go with a 1700 + 1080??

>>61653417
Wait for benchmarks of the 56 but the 1080 is better than the vega56 for sure.

>>61653417
A bit too fucking late aint it.
Would have liked that like 2 months ago.
Anyone that wanted an amd machine already pretty much has one.

>>61653438
Not really.

>>61653438
>Anyone that wanted an amd machine already pretty much has one.
Nah, some of us were waiting for threadripper+vega.

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>>61653438
>tfw have to wait until either wednesday or next week to afford ryzen build

I WANNA NOW

>>61653377

I don't think there's any question that Navi will use Infinity Fabric, because there is not a chance they won't use it when it worked so well for Zen. The main problem is if you keep on using GCN with it, the only thing you would get is better performance per watt in exchange for latency. And I'm not really convinced as said before GCN would work going forward.

The reason why I think this is because of what was said on Anandtech on the GPU.

>Talking to AMD’s engineers, what especially surprised me is where the bulk of those transistors went; the single largest consumer of the additional 3.9B transistors was spent on designing the chip to clock much higher than Fiji. Vega 10 can reach 1.7GHz, whereas Fiji couldn’t do much more than 1.05GHz. Additional transistors are needed to add pipeline stages at various points or build in latency hiding mechanisms, as electrons can only move so far on a single clock cycle; this is something we’ve seen in NVIDIA’s Pascal, not to mention countless CPU designs. Still, what it means is that those 3.9B transistors are serving a very important performance purpose: allowing AMD to clock the card high enough to see significant performance gains over Fiji.

This kind of indicates that they are running into some limit with the design that they have nowhere to go but to increase clocks in exchange for power, which is pretty bad. I doubt shrinking to 7 nm will make it any better.

It would probably be best if AMD creates a new architecture from scratch again, but still being compatible to some extent with GCN on the instruction/driver level so you don't have to throw out the existing drivers.

>>61653468
Release date hasn't been given yet.
NDA for reviews lift on the 14.

>>61653417
Except you also need to purchase the most expensive X370 motherboards with that as well. And that combination is still just a $100 instant rebate while you're still spending $100 extra on the card itself.

>>61653477
No, not that shit. I'm getting basically everything except graphics card and storage.

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is it stupid that I want the limited edition card because of its looks and wanting a complete AMD system?

>>61653478
Why didn't they do something like this:
> 1600X + Vega 56 bundle
> $599

> 1800X + Vega 64 bundle
> $899

>>61653534
Yes

>>61653550
well someone has to buy it

i can only assume that this whole clusterfuck is cause by the lack of drivers

i mean i cant explain how vega is laying waste on workstation workloads and being below 1070 in some games..
add to that that amd created another NDA till late september for the jurnalists not to reveal certain hardware features
this smells like a ryzen launch only shittier no drivers to showcase and therefore no real perfomance to showcase...

>>61653574
Or you know, they didn't have drivers ready before the release date.

>>61653574
it will age like the finest of wines just wait

>>61653574
That is what happens when you trust a Poo in the loo to engineer your stuff.

>>61653585
literally just what i said i guess the hbcc is proving to be a bad motherfucker

$399 for RX Vega 56
That puts it at about $500 AUD.
From the most-likely-cherry-picked results from AYYMD, it performs similarly to the 1080, so realistically probably between 1070-1080.
The GTX 1070 is about $550, and the 1080 about $800.
The only "issue" is the 210W rated TDP, and that shouldn't be a huge problem considering 650W Gold rated power supplies are cheap enough.

>>61653596
preeeety sure everyone knows that raja true gpu will be navi he didnt had a say on vega what so ever since its basicly just another big ass gcn card with the hbcc

>>61653538
Fuck if I know. It could have been a kickass bundle if there were just more options in general between motherboards and monitor options. The only monitor that takes advantage of the instant rebate is the Samsung C34F791, which is fucking $750 dollars

>>61653634
It 950 dollars but Amazon is offering a 20% discount off. We have no idea if the discount will remain when these packs launch

The card will double as a space heater, right?

>>61653667
The liquid cooler one pulls 400 fucking watts off the wall. AT STOCK. You bet it is a fucking space heater.

>>61653667
the one you want is 210w though for $399

>>61638548
>Loved my 6950
>Nothing but problems everytime I bought a nshitia gpu.
Only thing thats kinda off putting is the high as fuck tdp.

>>61653605
>$399 for RX Vega 56 That puts it at about $500 AUD.
+ gst $50 + retail jewing you $50
So 600.
Its completely retarded that you can get a 1080ti for $300 less from newegg while all the other prices are on par. God damn retail jews.

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>>61653783
>a 1080ti for 300burgers

>>61653915
>>a 1080ti for 300burgers
even more so
a 1080ti like perf and amd giving it for free!

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>>61653915
the way the numbers keep getting lower and lower we'll probably hit volta for negative amount of dollars this evening.

>>61653915
>>61653966
>you can get a 1080ti for $300 less from newegg
Come on guys. At least read.

>>61653783
Even with the jewery, it's similar price to aftermarket 1070's.

>>61653994
>600
>300 less
>1080ti for 300

ok

I don't get these packs.

>>61654053
For 100 dollars, you get 2 free games, a coupon which lets you get 100 dollar off 1700 + mobo combo and 200 dollars off a specific monitor.

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I like the design of vega, it looks very beautiful and aesthetic

>>61654079
I already bought a 1600x though with the promise of Vega back in may. And as a unreturnable combo goddamit.

And Nvidia gtx 10** looks like they're designed by 14yo **GAMIR**

>>61654114
is there even a r5 combo?

>>61652900
Dx12 and vulkan drivet footprint is ridiculously small, they are there just to give access to the metal, the devs that have to crack their heads and make use of the hardware (much like console devs does). While AMD let the keys public, nvidia will probably lock it up with their gameworks and cuda code. Good thing is that amd have tools that converts cuda codes to openCL and a lot of documentations about it.

>>61654114
There was, I got a 1600x and an AB 350 faywahity gaymen 4k from asrock. For like $250 from newegg back in May.

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>>61653915
>>61653955
>>61653966
>>61653994
>>61654050
Wasn't talking about burgerdollars.

How fucked would the Radeon line be if Nvidia decided to support freesync?

>>61654197
No reason to. G-sync locks people into an ecosystem and more and more people are buying Nvidia at the moment due to GPU shortage and Vega being shit. They earn more by making G-sync exclusive.

>>61654171
>Wasn't talking about burgerdollars.

>$500 AUD.
>+ gst $50 + retail jewing you $50
>So 600.

>600 AUD
>"1080ti for $300 less"
>=300 AUD

it hardly has anything to do with the currency - you won't find a 1080ti for 300 bucks, be it burger or kangaroo. from the picture I'd assume you wanted to say 300 MORE, not less

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So... what price point does AMD compete at now?