/wt/ - watch thread

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my collection

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Second for Swiss quality.

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Why shouldn't I buy a Bagelmeme Nautilus right now?

>>61613474
> Nautilus

aka. We were too unoriginal to come up with the Royal Oak so we carbon-copied it instead.

>>61613559
That's not a collection, it's what a meth head gets when he mugs a salesman.

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Wearing this guy today.

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>>61613648
>Hey Mr Genta you designed that ugly watch for AP and now we're jealous all the rich assholes are falling over themselves to pay outrageous prices for a fucking steel sport watch. Can you make us one too?
>Yeah kid whatever
>Draws the Royal Oak again but squashed a bit
>Becomes widely regarded as the greatest watch designer to ever live
MADMAN

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>>61613765

>>61613616
It won't impress normies who know nothing about Patek. And the people who do know Patek will cringe at your knockoff. And most of all you will not be impressed and despite any delusion will deep down feel like a fake subhuman loser.

Probably going to buy one myself regardless though.

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>>61613616
I have one and it's pretty shit.

>>61614063
The pie-pan dial and dogleg lugs and Dauphine hands era was way better than those later cushion cases which started leading down the path to the really awful shit that the Constellation line has become.

>>61613616
why aren't you getting a 1:1 copy instead of the for Western market versions?
custom hardly checks parcels, so still easy to get.

>>61614117
>And the people who do know Patek will cringe at your knockoff.
when the fuck do you have time to take a close look at someone's else watch?
O.J. Simpsons rocked his fake rolex till some court wanted to seize it.

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Best zenith

>>61614522
still shit.
here we all know that seiko did the first chronograph, zenith announcing shit before doesn't count.

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Took my turtle to the beach and it survived the crashing waves. Got some sand in the bezel but it washed out easy.

>>61614765
>totally not too big

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>>61614830
It is big but just fits. Better shot.

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>>61613765
That's just how industrial design works. Giorgetto Giugiaro for example reused a lot of design motifs and shapes in his cars.

I have a question that I'm hoping one of you will be able to answer. I'm looking for an extremely durable watch. It doesn't need to be fancy or impressive, preferably digital, but mainly durable. Durable enough that it might be able to survive a hit from a hammer.

>>61615361
G shock

>>61615361
GSHOCK. A DW5600 or something.

>>61614830
not at all

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>>61614830
Definitely pushing it, but the lugs are definitely not overhanging at all.

>>61615375
>>61615388
Thanks guys, that looks like the safest bet

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What, we wrist check now?

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I had my doubts but it's fast becoming a favorite.

Really happy with my choice.

>>61616880
How domed is the crystal really?

>>61616880
Give me the lug to lug of that thing my man, wish it a little cheaper desu.

>>61616808
A vintage omega is too big for you? What is this, a worst for ants?

>>61616880
what is it

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>>61616880

>>61616889

My phone camera is horrendous and can't get close up shots, but here is a side profit I found on Google

https://imageshack.com/i/poENP9YPj

>>61616929

*profile

>>61616905
Fish eye effect of phone camera my man, i'm too much of a poorfag to but a real camera.

>>61616910

sla07

62mas reissue.

Seiko got it right.

>>61616952
>Seiko got it right
$3500 is not "right" for that watch

>>61617097
$2k then i might think about it.

>>61616880

>$4100 us American dollars
>Ho Lee fuk

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Bidding on one of these right now.
Already have a Casio calculator watch.
I plan on collecting sort of retro-futuristic watches. Next I'll get the Casio touch screen watch from the 80's.
Anyone know any other cool watches like these?

>>61617284

It was $3400. It replaced 2 ETAs from my collection. Felt good to get rid of those things.

>>61617350
Did you sell your watches on eBay or what? I have a bunch of shitters to get rid of, but it almost doesn't seem worth it for the cheaper ones.

>>61617375

Yes, eBay. I've always had good luck selling watches there.

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>>61613474
>>61607088 (OP)
I need a cute waterproof 20mm watch with ONLY the watch no stopwatch or extra hands. I don't want it cluttered at all. Willing to spend quite a bit. And I don't want a metal strap.

I like the style of pic related. But is not water proof

>>61617486

https://www.stowa.de/en/Antea+Klassik+390.htm

>>61617561
K I was like look for like a $30 one lol

>>61617460
Yeah I've sold stuff before and it went off without a hitch, it's just a pain to pack stuff and ship it off and hope the buyer doesn't try to fuck you over. And then ebay takes so much of your damn money.

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>>61617588
>Willing to spend quite a bit
>$30

>>61617315
There's that IBM watch, but it's pretty rare.

>>61617642
I buy $7 watches

>>61617700
My condolences.

>>61617704
I promise. My uncle is really rich and I will get a $1000 dollar watch eventually pls dontbullt me

>>61617588

Timex Weekender.

>>61617767
I have to sign in to buy them? To see the price?

>>61617947
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=timex+weekender

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>>61617315
Seiko Data 2000.

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/wt/ approved? looks pretty dope desu, hoping it displays my alphaness to attract high quality females

>>61618137
I want a watch that can barely store a few html bookmarks in the most most painful way possible

> we have exactly what you are looking for sir

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>>61618567

>>61618567
I'm sure you'll get the fine bitches that watch truly deserves.

>>61616880
I'm honestly shocked at the current state of this website. Yeah, we made chinkshit jokes sometimes, but it was all fun, right? At the end of the day, we all aren't poor, we all live in Swizerland, and we all opposed cheap chinkshit watches. But now? Our entire fucking site is subverted because of fucking Seikofags.

The internet is OUR platform. the ROLEX platform. Cheap, ugly, and terrible investments were all confirmed to be left in the past because millenials are the most finacially sucessful generation of all time. So why in the FUCK, do we still have to deal with Seikofags IN TWENTY-FUCKING-SEVENTEEN? Despite how much you wanna cry about how it's just a conspiracy and a boogeyman, poorfags ARE real, and this site is proof. We went from one of the most prestigious sites in the world to supporting Orange Fucking Divers? Nah, that's not normal progression because people only get more prestigeous with age, just like how you get smarter with age.

Threads like these just show that we need MUCH more strict moderation around here. I'm sick of all of this shit. Fuck Weebs, Fuck Quartz, Fuck Seiko, Fuck Drumpf, Fuck Nippon, and FUCK POORFAGS. Just fucking nuke this site already.

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>>61615361
GW-M5610

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>>61618994

>>61618994
Couldn't agree more tbqh famalam.

>>61618994
Chinks are Chinese. You're thinking of Gooks, my dude.

people getting worked up af over watches? it's 2017, use your fucking microwave

I get analog devices (pun intended) are nicer looking than digital ones, but translating hand position to numbers usually take more effort and (ironically) time than just reading a string of digits

>>61619229
I think it depends on the type of watch face, and how familiar you are with reading an analog clock. Like I can look at my Casio and see that it's 2:12, but I can still look at my SNK803 and realize the same thing in around the same time.
I honestly only wore the Casio until last Winter and was always pretty bad with reading clocks, even though they taught it in elementary school contrary to what Boomers think, but you really pick up on it when it's your main method of checking the time.

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>>61618994
>just like how you get smarter with age

Yet you seem to be genuinely upset over something so trivial.

If your post isn't pic related, I feel for you.

>>61619229
Analog gives you a nice visual sense of time in a way--you can literally see how far away something is in time.

Explorer I or Date just

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>>61619586
114270. If you're made of money then 1016 explorer.

>>61619586
Get 1000 casio f-91ws

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>>61619586
>Explorer I or Date just

DateJust is more versatile. Explorer is cooler as a casual weekend watch, whereas the DJ could look 'old man' in that scenario.

I'm struggling with the same question myself.

16234 DJ, steel with white gold bezel might be the most versatile Rolex of all.

You could add a sportier watch afterwards.

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>>61620066

and versus an OP 116034 silver dial Arabic

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>>61619599
>>61620066
The reason i didn't jump for the Explorer right away is because i'm afraid the simple, black dial of it will bored me after the honeymoon period.
DJ is just beautiful especially with the grey dial, but it doesn't have that tool, goes anywhere without worry watch vide that the explorer got.

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>>61620163
That particular grey DJ is pretty sweet. If you're looking at vintage pieces anyway try and find a linen dial.

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>>61617486

"I.. I am speechless. A Yazole has always been on my horological bucket list. May you wear it in good health."

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>>61620180
Review this

>>61620163

The Explorer is very cool.

Ultimately, if someone wore an Explorer to a wedding would they look like a cunt? I don't think so. In THAT situation a DJ would be better, but how many weddings a lifetime will someone attend.

And the Explorer is definitely OK in 2017 with a business suit.

It's a tough decision. I think for a young man into Rolex, his best bet might be the Explorer today, and skip the DJ and treat himself to a Day Date years down the line.

>>61614484

People believe that OJ could have afforded a real rolex before he went all nutter butters. When they see you wearing a bagel phillipe and then climb into your shitty ricer, they're just going to assume it's fake.

>>61620163
post wrist shot

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>>61620228

"The calculator complication, in my opinion, just elevates this Casio to another level. It's a tool, yes, but it's also refined enough to hold it's own against Switzerland's best. An in-house Casio movement for $20 - bellissimo!"

>>61620263
KEK
Best poster in /wt/

>>61615521
is this pic real? Why would Orient design such a big dress watch?

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>>61620263

>see random stranger wearing a watch
>subtly glance at the seconds hand
>quarz ticks
>instantly think less of them
This is really pathetic and autistic but I can't help it.
Does anyone else do this?

>>61620899
Pretty autistic, try to understand why people buy mechanicals in the first place.

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>>61620899
yup. you know what really annoys me? people buying garbage quartz and actually thinking it's a premium product. like those shitty DW watches.

>>61620899
> wears quartz.
yes, you should absolutely look down on them. they are inferior beings.

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>>61613474
Can someone identify this watch?

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>>61621086
I got you familia :^)

>>61621041
To be fair: They look good and they show the time. For most people that is more than enough.

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>>61621120
they're manufactered in china for 5 dollars and they retail for 200 dollars.

>Daniel Wellington (stylised with a reverse capital D) is a Swedish watch company,

did they just pick a generic old timey Anglo name? so it could be Nigel Calthrop watches or anything

>>61621172
They just pick something that sounds fancy and build an image around luxury and owning something worth spending shitloads of money on. Which it's not.

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>>61621172
Yes they picked a generic anglo name, it is a built up brand which succeeded through online marketing.
It has zero history and >>61621134 is how they are made.
Most people just don't know this.

>>61621134
>>61621187
Yes, I know that you are right, but again: Why should people care? most of the clothes from popular "designers" come from India, Taiwan etc. The name is important for these people, not the quality.

>>61621172
http://imgur.com/a/6CNO8

>>61621241
That's called being a sheep

I have a large wrist and most watches don't for comfortably for me. Any recommendations for something reasonably cheap that doesn't look like shit and has a decent sized band?

>>61614522
I like that zenith a lot.. really nice watch..

>>61615878
nice

>>61621504
Casio Royale

>>61618994

I know this is some sort of future pasta but I unironically agree.

>>61621241
>The name is important for these people, not the quality.
Are you retarded?
People associate that name with quality. That is a mistake they shouldn't make.

Nobody buys shit just because "i liked the name Mike"

>>61620263


2 accurate

>>61621253
>http://imgur.com/a/6CNO8
good idea

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>>61614522
The lack of applied indices at the 3 and 9 position is ugly, and the quartered seconds register looks wrong and isn't fitting for a tachymeter chronograph. So close but they manage to fuck it up.

I like pic related better.

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>>61620180
What does this mean

My unregulated shitter watch has been losing between 2 and 6 seconds a day.. should i throw it in the bin?

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my late dad has been dead for over ten years now and his old watch is still running to my surprise after a couple of shakes, its a Seiko. can anyone tell me more about this model?

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>>61622873
>>61622905
Seiko 7025-5010
>7025 movement, quickset date, smaller rotor (for flatness maybe?)
>Daini Seikosha factory
>1977 manufacture

That one is pretty beat, here's a pic of a steel one of the same model. Any half-retarded watchmaker who's done a 7000 series Seiko can service and restore it. Many parts of the movement can be swapped with new 7S26 parts. Crystal is probably mineral so you're fucked there, it can only be painstakingly polished with something like cerium-oxide or diamond paste, and good luck finding a NOS one.

>>61623064
Literally the first Google hit for Seiko 7025-5010 is a nos crystal on ebay

>>61623092
Then buy it. If you're willing of course, I found a NOS crystal for my 7019-7060 but for almost the price of a new Seiko 5, which is kinda outrageous.

>>61623064
thanks, I'll see what the local watch shops can do...definitely needs some sort of servicing cos it stops after a while. i hate the gold but might wear it for fun and as a tribute...what strap or band should go well with it?

>>61621915
Except that's busy and looks like shit

I have some bare space on my walls - are there any watch-related art I could put up that doesn't look like shit?

>>61622873
cut your nails, for fucks sake

>>61622873
Watch is about as disgusting as your nails.

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>>61624169
Have you considered a clock? You can get a traditional one or one with all the components exposed. Generally a weight driven pendulum is easiest and most practical, but you can get driven or timed with springs. I believe there are wooden and 3d printed designs available if you want to create it yourself.

>>61620263
You can read this in his voice and it doesn't even sound like something he wouldn't say.

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>>61624169
I have thought, myself, about getting a couple of these "if you were.." Rolex ads.

>>61624570
Not a bad idea - post if you ever get around to getting them.

>>61624570
>with matching Jubilee bracelet
>depicts oyster bracelet
oy vey, so much for that Rolex attention to detail.

>>61624961
But the watch pictured isn't the 18kt gold watch.
And you can't get a gold oyster bracelet.
Nothing wrong with it, really.

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>>61624570
I have an old Nikon ad above the shelf with my cameras, a cool watch ad would be cool too.

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>>61623178
If it's the original Seiko bracelet then leave it. Just have it cleaned by ultrasound.

>>61624961
If you read it closely and know basic aviation history you would realize Pan Am in the end never bought the Concorde.

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>>61625653
>Supersonic transatlantic flights on glamorous Pan-Am never became commonplace
>The pepsi GMT-Master went from being perfection and costing $300 to being a flashy overgrown $30,000 white gold pig
How did we end up in the wrong timeline?

>>61620242
Pretty much this. If you wear something like a fake Rolex, Nomos, Max Bill, etc; people will think that you came into some money, it was a gift for graduating/promotion, or got lucky off of investments. If you're a 20 to early 30 something middle class dude, people will know you're bullshitting if you wear a Patek since the real one would cost as much as your car.

>>61627499
Supersonic passenger flight may be resurrected someday, at least.

>>61621041
you would be all over it if it had a mechanical movement.

their finishing is excellent compared to say a timex weekender that has a loud ticking non-Japanese movement, brass case instead of stainless steel, plastic hands instead of steel, ...

>>61621134
they are assembled in China, parts aren't from China. their movement is Japanese.

anyway that is far from the only cost for releasing a watch:
BoM, QC, distribution, logistics, marketing, service ..

DW's profit margins are unlikely higher than Rolex.

if Rolex skipped all their QC and automated the last remaining manual steps like applying markers to the dial, some retarded analyst could lowball their manufactoring cost at like $10.
it's basically the same automated assembly as elsewhere just with more steps because mechanical movements have so many parts.

>>61621187
>It has zero history
mechanical watchmakers are not authentic either.
they pretend to care about timekeeping but than choose the most inaccurate movement.

>>61627499
>Forgetting about inflation and that a $300 GMT in 1965 is about $2,350 in today's money, and the gold model would be just over $10k
Do you also reminisce about how pop was a nickel, and a house was $15k?

>>61628789
With history i meant literally just history, like for example Seiko or Timex has.
Would much rather buy a watch from a company that has a long track record and in most cases a lower price (atleast in these DW type watches), than a watch from DW or MVMT etc.

>>61628789
>Being a Denzel Washington apologist

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>>61613474
Hey /wt/, I have a 1960 Patek Philippe Calatrava ref 2573 that I got from a family friend who passed it on to me, the crystal is all scratched, but the gold is in great shape and it works well. Anyone ever have a vintage watch serviced/restored? Suggestions? Pic shows the same model watch.

>>61629032
If only the crystal is bad, it shouldn't be that much relatively speaking unless you also want the thing to be COA'd.

>>61628957
>With history i meant literally just history, like for example Seiko or Timex has.
you are brainwashed by marketing if you think those have any history.

Seiko stopped making high-end mechanical movements in the 1970s after quartz happened and had to start from scratch in the 1990s after they saw how much money the Swiss made.
so the history of the 2nd gen Grand Seiko starts at 1998.

TimeX is some Dutch holding group now.

>>61629077
Where do you have a crystal replaced? I don't want this thing fucked up. It also could use a new band, it's still all original with the box it came in.

>>61629119
If you're not just bullshitting, take it to patek themselves.

>>61629115
Who said i was talking about mechanical watches?

>>61629143
Not bullshitting, I'd take a picture of the thing but it's in my parents safe. Anyone know what the thing is worth? I'm not selling it since it has sentimental value to me, but I don't know much about it. I stick to my seikos most of the time.

>>61629186
If it's got box & papers, and is in mint condition, probably around 10k, maybe.

>>61629202
I don't have any paperwork, just the original black leather box.

>>61629202
More like between $5-8k depending on condition and if it's a full set.

>>61629273
Okay it's like $3-5k then. Hold onto the thing unless things get really shitty man; that's something to keep and cherish.

>>61629156
how's that relevant?
it's the same brand.

Seiko and Timex are obviously lying about their history.

anyway, Seiko's quartz history isn't very good either:
they invested basically all their R&D in kinetic, which failed.

>>61629387

>Seiko's quartz history isn't very good either:
>Literally produced the first quartz watch

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>>61629387
>Seiko's quartz history isn't very good
>invested basically all their R&D in kinetic

>>61629115
It's only a Dutch holding group to evade taxes

Should I stay away from vintage Russian watches? If not then what should I be looking for?

I do not know where to begin.

>>61629119
>Philippe Calatrava ref 2573
Thats a hell of watch man congratulations. Save up at least a k and bring it to patek.

>>61629751
Define "Vintage Russian". Are we talking about a "relatively" reliable Amphibia, or something like a really cheap looking Raketa?

>>61629753
That's my plan, I'm going to save up to get it serviced, new band, and new crystal from Patek. I'm sure it won't be cheap but I'll think of it as an investment.

>>61629838
I'm visiting my parents tomorrow, I'll get some pics of it for this or the next /wt/.

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>>61629119
dont waste your time taking it to patek. any watchmaker can polish an acrylic crystal.

>>61629387
So you actually own dw or something?

>>61629890
Well patek will also fully service it, not just the crystal, and verify it's legit so he'll have authentic papers. All good for resale value.

>>61629890
fuck off

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>>61629936
>Well patek will also fully service it
if its just the crystal anyone worth his salt can easily do it. dont need patek to charge twice as much.
>>61629945
no bullying

>>61629032
you probably have no plans of selling it so no point taking it to patek to get the papers. any watchmaker can change the crystal for you

>>61629894
it's a Swedish Ltd (AB), you can't get shares.

my index funds probably hold all the biggest public watchmakers.
just checked the big-three in Japan and naturally it's Casio and Seiko. Citizen is a Ltd, so can't.

>>61630019
Mechanical watches like that need servicing after a number of years to stop the parts wearing. So if he wants to wear it and depending when it was last done it may need to be.

>>61630019
First of all the watch should be serviced as it was just inherited. Second of all it is not a fucking Seiko you throw away every 10 years.. It is a 10 thousand dollar heirloom. You want to ensure you maintain a paper trail and have the watch serviced by only professionals with good tools and legitimate parts. The watch needs to be sent to patek themselves.

I've been saving for a watch these months but I have no idea from where to buy it. Should i risk buying a watch without a warranty? I'm from europe btw.

>>61630019
This isn't a Vostok Amphibia where the factory says it has a 10 year service life and a realistic life of maybe an extra decade; it's a hand crafted watch that's around 57 years old that was probably last serviced during the Vietnam War. It may run when you wind it up, but it will need oiling and some of the parts might be getting worn down.
This isn't a Vostok Amphibia where the factory says it has a 10 year service life.

>>61630249
What kind of watch are you looking at?

>>61630266
Maybe something like seiko sarz005, i like the mechanism and it looks fine.

>>61629557
>>Literally produced the first quartz watch
you mean first commercial quartz wrist watch

which went like this
1. look at the quartz clock from the 1920s
2. wait for the semiconductor revolution in the 1960s
3. miniaturize the quartz clock
4. mass-produce

technologically not that significant

>>61630310
If you're getting a Seiko 5 then it's a good idea to get a warranty since their QC can be kind of spotty. As an example; my SNK803 keeps great time, but my grandfather's SNKN37 was all over the place out of the box and needed to be sent back.

>>61630191
Thanks for the advice, I found a similar watch that had the service done by patek, including cleaning/service, new crystal, new band and it ran about $2000 for all the work.

>>61630371
>throwing good money after bad

>>61630363
Oh, thanks for the advice. I'll be getting one with a warranty then, i just have to find a place.

>>61630394
kys

Hey /WG/
I need a recommendation for a pocket watch. I'm a machinist and the company I work for has regulations against employees wearing anything that could be an entanglement hazard around rotating equipment 'ie watches' and they also have regulations against having our phones out on the floor (they're a distraction). So I need a pocket watch, my budget is around $200usd, maybe more and I'd prefer new manufacture (I don't want to wreck an antique). Some kind of autowinder in a stainless steel case would be ideal for durability as I'll bumping into machines and carts all day. I asked in a previous thread and didn't get a reply, you guys have to have some idea of something that's not pocket autism.

>>61630322
First manufacturer to sell a mass produced quartz watch literally changing the financial and mechanical landscape of the entire wristwatch industry.

>Not significant.

kys

>>61630447
mechanical watches are not durable
> I'll bumping into machines and carts all day
will kill the balance wheel

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>>61630447
Get a vintage Waltham, Elgin, Illinois, Hamilton, etc. railroad watch on Ebay. If you're looking for something new that isn't Chinese dogshit you're out of luck.

If you want a good Swiss piece it's going to cost dramatically more, and you can find Vacheron Constantin and Patek Philippe pocket watches on Chrono24.

>>61630477
Nigger they made pocket watches to be shaken the fuck out of on a steam-powered train all day.

>>61630447
Just get a cheap carabiner watch since as >>61630477 said, mechanical watches in your budget really aren't meant to be bumped around and you'd save some money.

>>61630322
Like when people say Ford invented the car.

>>61630460
being first is seldomly relevant.
look at the prices and quantity of those first watches, they are some showcase products that have no market effect.

the actually cheap mass-produced quartz watches later destroyed the traditional mechanical watch market.

>>61630600
more like when people say apple invented the smartphone.
apple was far from first but still made a killing.

>>61630605
They spent over a decade developing that cheap mass produced quartz that changed the market. They made that first mass produced quartz.. how do you not get that? Are you the faggot on wt arguing with everyone about literally nothing providing no information for anything you say? get the fuck out.

>>61630447
vintage railroad watches are l 50-330 dollars.

PP pocket watches are 50k new.

>>61630626
>They made that first mass produced quartz
citation needed.
Astron's complex hybrid circuit can't be mass-produced nor is there a mass market for a watch with the price of a car.

>>61631042
>knows what he means
>gets all autistic about the definition of "mass produced"

2/10 I replied.

>>61627499
Man the Ceramic GMT looks like shit...

>>61631181
nope, i'm trying to get your point but you change moving the goal post.
you seem to agree that mass-producing cheap quartz watches was the significant part but still want to incooperate your seiko being first by something.

>>61630447
Buy the watch you want, remove band, place in pocket = instant pocket watch.

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>>61630626
>They spent over a decade developing that cheap mass produced quartz that changed the market.
by that you mean they contracted an American company (Intersil) to get the most important part: cheap mass-produced CMOS ICs.

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>>61613559

PURE CLASS

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>>61616880

>$4000 for a dressed up skx

Don't get me wrong I love my 007 but are Seiko fags really this delusional?

>>61631401
are you that poor that you have to justify $4000?

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>>61631520

>$4000 for a Seiko
>something a person with actual money would buy as opposed to a tryhard seiko fedoralord from reddit

>>61631248
Not even the guy you were arguing with. You're just being autistic about semantics that don't fucking matter. Seiko made the first quartz watch any asshole with money could buy, and that's not insignificant.

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Japanese engineering and precision. I love my watch. I get complimented on it quite often.

>>61631588
then please explain how being first is significant

>>61631620
Seriously nigger? Maybe you should have been around a few decades ago to tell the US government and NASA that it didn't matter if they were the first to the moon. Gosh, think of all the money saved.

>>61631637
but it wasn't the first quartz wristwatch.
it was the first commercial quartz wristwatch.

so that's like comparing the moon landing to space tourism.

>>61631688
Not him, but the first commercial space tourist program would be a HUGE thing. The point you're trying to make doesn't hold much merit

How the fuck are you dudes still arguing about this.

>>61631856
This.

>>61631856
fuck off

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>>61628789
>if Rolex skipped all their QC and automated the last remaining manual steps like applying markers to the dial, some retarded analyst could lowball their manufactoring cost at like $10.
>it's basically the same automated assembly as elsewhere just with more steps because mechanical movements have so many parts.

>>61631836
you do realize that already happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MirCorp
you not knowing it proves my point.

>>61629115
>Seiko stopped making high-end mechanical movements in the 1970s after quartz happened and had to start from scratch in the 1990s after they saw how much money the Swiss made.
>so the history of the 2nd gen Grand Seiko starts at 1998.
To be fair, they did end up resurrecting a fair number of Daini movement designs (including the 52xx and 68xx) and a surprising number of Daini vets ended up at the re-started Grand Seiko.

>>61632021
I mean widely available like the quartz Seikos. Sure you could get super expensive quartz watches before, but they commercialized it on a wide scale. Not even comparable to your 2 or 3 people going to space for a fortune's worth of money

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>>61629387
>>61630322
>>61630605
>>61631248
>>61631310
>>61631401
>>61631549
>>61631620
>>61631688

>>61631688

>What’s not rare is the technology Seiko developed for Astron, including fork-type oscillators, open-type separated motors and one-second-interval movement of the second hand. They set the standard for all analog quartz watches that followed.

http://www.watchtime.com/featured/1969-seikos-breakout-year/

>>61632054
Seiko Astron did cost as much as a car, not sure if it even was sold outside of Japan. They could produce 10 per month.

so not sure, which Seiko model they actually could produce in mass and sell cheap.

Texas Instruments prolly introduced affordable quartz to most Americans:
https://www.ti.com/corp/docs/company/history/timeline/eps/1970/docs/75-first_led_watches.htm
>By 1976, TI announced it was the leading supplier in the emerging digital watch market, which was projected to grow to 18 million units that year, up from 3.5 million in 1975. The largest part of the market was under the $20 segment

>>61632118
>fork-type oscillators
Bulova Accutron had that ten years before

What are the best rubber straps?

>>61628314
who gives a crap, though? other than patek philippe, that is. you liked it, the design ain't copyrighted, bob's your uncle.

>>61632316
While you are the best kind of correct in this context it's referring to quartz oscillators.

>>61632373
Isofrane, probably. Quite expensive though.

>>61632118
Swiss prototypes were shown before, which basically had all that already.

anyone has contemporary newspapers/magazines about the Astron?
did it even register?

>>61632227
found some 1981 NYT article:
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/25/business/business-people-seiko-of-america-has-new-president.html
mentions Seiko sold 3.5 million watches in the US, which doesn't sound that much.
was the market already saturated at that point?
was replacing the battery instead of getting a new watch common?

>>61632444

Any brands you recommend?

>>61632459
Isofrane is a brand. That said obris morgan makes a rubber strap in pretty much the same style as the real isofranes for a fraction of the price. There was some other microbrand that sold a rubber similar strap, don't remember which though.

>>61632444
>>61632459

Oh never mind. That is the brand, right ?

>>61632475

Thanks

>>61632448
>http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/25/business/business-people-seiko-of-america-has-new-president.html
>The company sold 3.5 million pieces in this country last year - trade sources said that translates into $300 million in retail sales.
that's an ASP of ~$100 in 1981.
how's that even making sense when TI sells $20 watches in 1976.
i thought TI had to exit when Japanese could sell for <$10 and they couldn't.

>>61632448
>anyone has contemporary newspapers/magazines about the Astron?
here's NYT from 1975:
http://www.nytimes.com/1975/07/20/archives/upsurge-in-digital-watches-upsurge-in-digital-watches.html
>A head‐to‐head confrontation is shaping up between the entry into the watch field of such major semiconductor producers as Texas Instruments, Hughes Aircraft, National Semiconductor and Litronix, Inc., on one hand,. and the traditional watch producers such as the Timex Corporation, Bulova, the Benrus Watch Company and Longines‐Wittnauer on the other.

>The Swiss, for example, are Feeking sources for digital mechanisms to not only stem the decline in their own watch industry but also to gear for the future. The Japanese, meanwhile, are sticking to their mechanical guns.
the irony of history.

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>>61632522
US watch industry killed itself.
digital LED watches were the most common.
there was heavy competition on price, so no one had any money left to invest in superior LCDs over LEDs.
meanwhile Japanese keiretsu had no competition at home and could invest in LCDs.

>>61632227
>in mass

>>61620899
Kind of. I don't judge people for the movement of the watch, but I do judge them based on the design and brand. And I instantly think less of them if it's not plain stainless steel (or titanium).

Should I do level one timezone school with an sw210-1 or a Unitas (I guess its ETA now) 6497-1?

The Unitas is easier to work with im sure but also pocket watches are autistic

>>61618994
Deluded fag. Being angry over internetz..

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>>61631226
The idea behind ceramic is that it never fades, which is retarded since the different kinds of faded GMT's are very sought after.

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>>61615878

>>61637060
not only fading but scratching

>>61637060
Subs with a ghost bezel is the only sub i like, fuck me too because i'm too much of a poor fag to buy one.

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Someone please offer me this watch.

>>61615521
The lack of definition and muscularity in their arm just makes me think that watch is on a child

>>61638294
no

>>61637213
wut dis?

>>61638314
aka a typical male in 2017

>>61615521
A-A fellow wristlet?

>>61638314
can you elaborate why you think that arm belongs to a male and not female?

>>61638408
Looks like some sturmanskie chrono.

>>61638886
cos we're all biased cucks here

>>61638939
yeah i found it.l. way too expensive for what it is and how it looks.

>>61638886
The vast majority of users on this website are men and the vast majority of watch geeks are men. Orient is not Michael Kors. It could be a woman but the probability is low. Don't be a faggot.

>>61638976
>Orient is not Michael Kors.
can someone explain what happened to Orient and Ricoh, that once belonged to the top four Japanese watchmakers besides Seiko and Citizen in the 1970s?

>>61638517
>>61638418
It's a picture of some schmuck from reddit.

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Is the Nighthawk cooler than the Flightmaster?

I can't find the Flightmaster 411 anywhere for a non inflated price - but now I'm thinking the dial looks too busy anyway

I just need a Quartz shitter/non-shitter to wear for my driving work

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>>61639175

Which one

>>61639175
Out of those two the Flightmaster but why not the Skyhawk for ultimate power level?

>>61639227
I am going to IRL cuck this guy. I am going to find my way into his life to fuck his wife.

>>61632475

So for rubber straps these appear to be good options.

Isofrane
Bonetto
Sinn

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Can you identify the watch ?

It has to be quartz right ?

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>>61620263
This dude might be a meme, but I think I liked his suggestion of a Seiko 5 SNKL23 as a good budget watch (though the video title was bait as fuck, since the watch is at least $150). Especially with the leather strap he had on his.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3AUN2MHRYE

Would this be a good, minimal watch for a femanon? Or is it too masculine, do you think?

>>61640139
It's a versatile watch like the datejust, the only i hate about it is the "5"

>>61640139
>Would this be a good, minimal watch for a femanon?
That depends mainly on your wrist size.
Or is it too masculine, do you think?
It's not a ladies watch, but not a huge dinner plate chronograph either. And I've seen women wearing pretty big sports watches recently.
Maybe you could find one in a physical store and try it on?

>>61640328
>I've seen women wearing pretty big sports watches recently
This trend seem to be on the rise recently and i fucking hate it.

>>61640387
yeah it's gross

>>61640328
I think my wrist is about 16.5cm, if that helps. Relatively frail and dainty looking, I s'pose.

>Maybe you could find one in a physical store and try it on?
I don't think I have any good places in my town, but I suppose I have been wanting to spend a day at one of the big malls in Columbus. I'll try to remember to check out a watch retailer if I make a trip up.

Any chance you have suggestions for other clean-looking basic watches around $100 or less? I'm looking to get something just a lil' bit nicer than my F-91W, lol.

>>61640387
>This trend seem to be on the rise recently and i fucking hate it.
I haven't seen it yet, but yeah, I'm not looking for a giant monster G-Shock or something.

>>61640132
Bulgari octo finissimo

>>61640139
>his suggestion
he's just repeating what the watch circlejerk said years ago:
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/a-seventy-five-dollar-watch-that-looks-like-a-million-bucks

>though the video title was bait as fuck, since the watch is at least $150
that price hike happened exactly because blogspam mentioned it.
it's not really worth that much.

>>61640224
rather easy to remove

Is Seiko SARB033/35 any good for everyday use?

>>61640548
Yes

>>61640548
what's your everyday?
prolly too dressy and non-AR sapphire isn't that legible.

>>61640519
>Any chance you have suggestions for other clean-looking basic watches around $100 or less?
In that price range your best bet are japanese quartz watches from seiko, citizen, orient or casio. I don't remember any specific models matching your description, but you'll find something for sure.

>>61640545
>price hike
Yeah. I might just settle for one of its siblings, like the SNXF07 or something.

>>61640614
Alright. I just keep pecking around. Thanks, anon.

>>61640519
>Any chance you have suggestions for other clean-looking basic watches around $100 or less? I'm looking to get something just a lil' bit nicer than my F-91W, lol.
DW is the obvious choice.

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Finally got my flighty in

>>61640614
>In that price range your best bet are japanese quartz watches from seiko, citizen, orient or casio.
none of those will be made in japan

>>61640693
Of course not, but that's not the point.

>>61640693
No shit sherlock.

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>>61640669
Pure class ooohh...

>>61640669
>paying more than $50 for a quartz
>paying more than $50 for a seiko
is this the ultimate meme?

>>61640534

It's clearly not

>>61616880

I can report that it's doing about +5s/d.

Maybe they regulated the 8L35 in these limited editions?

>>61640139
this watch page and that video has convinced me i need to get a Seiko 5 as my first ever automatic...considering snkn85k1 or snkl41k1

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>>61641001
Glad I could help? :o

I just saw this in some reddit guide, but good luck finding a good one for $150 as the post suggests.

>>61641065
lol i saw the video a week ago and a lot of ppl here says a Seiko 5 is a good cheap entry level watch to get...and i can only spend about $100

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Name a watch people should never buy.

>>61641184
Seiko

>>61640946
my unregulated shitter with an eta 2824 i bought on ebay from some guy in Florida is at -2 seconds per day.

>>61641254
this

is this too good to be true? I can't identify a brand

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gs-smartwatch-with-bluetooth-and-camera-for-samsung-android-smartphones

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>>61641663
>Smartwatch

>>61641425

That's great

>>61638294
Such a fucking shame they switched to a shit logo.

>>61640132

Trump looked like shit overnight

In the early 90s he was trim

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>>61641901
>Overnight
That was almost 30 years and two wives ago

How can I get a larger and more masculine wrist?
I got some nu-male ones and no watch suits my faggy wrists.

Looking to purchase my first "real" watch, my budget is 700€.
I'd like to wear it every day, so that it has to be something simpler but yet elegant and interesting to look at with some good highlights.
Would love leather streaps and that it shows the date.

Looking at the ones in the thread, I find these one good so far
>>61614522
>>61615878
>>61616808

Got any more recommendations based on this?

>>61642310
that's not enough money

Poorfag here, that decided to wear a watch again.
What would you consider buying?
The Casio MRW-200H which is ~20€ (Amazon Germany) is to big for me (4,5 cm x 4,5 cm), so i'm looking for something smaller. Preferably one where i can change the strap, cause i like leather.

>>61642310
That Zenith is 6,000 dollars US

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>>61642461

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>>61642175
You can't. Wrist size is determined by bones + fat. There's no muscle in your wrist, only tendons which aren't going to appreciably gain size no matter how much you exercise.

Just stick to 40mm or lower if your wrists aren't big. Also use a metal bracelet, it beefs up the area visually.

t. wristlet

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>>61642310
Vintage Omega or Zenith.

You're not going to get anything new that isn't dogshit.

If you save up more you can get a vintage Rolex Air-King for around $2000.

>>61642536
>>61642354
Yea I saw the Zenith one is superexpensive, but do you have any other GOOD watches with similar great looks but made for poorfags?

>>61642310
You can probably get a vintage omega in good shape for that money. You could could also look into some of Seiko's presage offerings.

>>61642540
That watch actually looks pretty good on a leather strap. Would have never thought.

>>61642560
it can grow a little, since I started lifting I had to regulate the bracelet on my watch, and when I get a pump it gets uncomfortably tight

>>61642590
You people keep recommending vintage Omegas to everyone who comes asking for cheap watches. Vintage watches are not cheap, if you buy an Omega for $500 or whatever on ebay I guarantee it's going to require servicing and suddenly it's a $1000 watch. Do you people buy a crusty 50 year old watch and just slap it on your wrist immediately and let it grind itself to dust?

I love vintage watches, but they're a shit recommendation for someone who just stumbles in here asking for a first watch that looks nice and just works and doesn't require intensive research to make sure the watch you're buying online isn't a ripoff.

>>61642310
How much is that in USD?

>>61642590
>>61642601
I am a bit scared to buy a 50y old vintage watch since I got no clue what to look for in order to not get scammed so that something brandnew would be better for me I think.

>>61642719
820$

>>61642461
>>61642540
Wow that looks neat.
Should've said that i look into an analog watch though.
But i will consider this as well, thanks.

>>61642711
I aready stated the caveat that he isn't going to be getting anything new that isn't dogshit at that price. Vintage mid-tier Swiss watches are the best you're going to get in that category if you're insistent that $1000 or so is what you will be spending.

Oris is a good option if you're looking for decent mid-tier watches, but even then you would probably be happier with saving up more.

>>61642760
Maurice Lacroix Eliros Chronograph

>>61642310
That's a pretty bad spot to be in, budget-wise. Stretch it just a little bit to almost 1000€ and you can get a Sinn 104 which is a good watch, unique style and getting more and more popular. You'll have the chance to not be a trend follower for once (you won't be a trendsetter tho).
Within budget you'll only really find shitters or dumb ripoffs like Steinhart if that's your sort of thing.

>>61642832
For $1000 he could maybe swing a Sinn if he's into that, especially a well cared-for used one. Otherwise that's not a very good price range to be in, but there's plenty of sub-$500 Seikos or mid-tier Swatch like Hamilton. I wouldn't really consider a Hamilton Khaki or Jazzmaster or Intra-matic or SARB or Sumo dogshit.

And they come with sapphire crystals and automatic winding and quickset dates and high beatrates and solid link bracelets and all the stuff that you don't get in a vintage watch. Most people are not autists like us and don't see much in a scratched up crusty old watch that belonged to a dead person and went out of fashion decades ago.

>>61642983
Why the 104? What about a Sinn 556 instead?

>>61643066
sure that's their absolute entry watch and you can get it but I just h ate how it looks. Hate the dial and I hate the tiny date window.

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>>61642310
go for a sarx033. 6r15 is a decent movement that should last you at least 5 years without needing a service and the case and bracelet finishing is amazing for the sub $800 range.

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>>61629876
Here it is to prove I'm not bullshitting. I do have paperwork, I forgot that it was sent it to patek for a restore estimate. Still sealed and authenticated.

>>61642983
>Sinn 104
I find this one very interesting, looks really good! I will consider saving up more.

>>61642876
Not so much, sry.

Thanks to all so far for the recommendations

>>61643149
This one seems nice too.

>>61643294
>>Sinn 104

that's probable your best bet. They have excellent qc and regulate their watches very well.
sarbs are a waste of money. buy nicer watches.

>>61643415
>>61643415

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>>61642540

"I don't know what it is about the Casio A158 that speaks to me. Yes, the price is exquisite, yet it's also the sheer versatility of a $20 watch that can be worn on the bracelet or, away from the office, on a Weekend Nato."

>>61641852
Now I see it you bastard.