/hpg/ - Headphone General

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No, your HD600s can't do this

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What's the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>61601788
But can my 650s?

>>61601788
There's no reason they couldn't post-EQ.

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Friendly reminder that the hd-600s are overpriced, lumpy mid rolled off treble meme cans recommended mostly be weebs who don't listen to any music on them and much better headphones can be had from other brands at below its price point.

Friendly reminder to not take anything DiPolarDisorder says seriously because he is a notorious shitposter who doesn't even understand the concept of HRTF and replies "you can't read" to anyone who conclusively proves him wrong: https://rbt.asia/g/thread/61561761/#61567039

if im using the SHP9500s will I like the HD600s?

>>61601836
Friendly reminder that rampant shillheiser posters don't understand that hrtf graphs have an inverse relationship with how a headphone should measure, and that they literally don't understand their own cited articles and papers and use it to fit their flawed narrative on how acoustics work.

>>61601854
>will I like the best sounding full-sized headphones in the world?
Yes. Yes, you will.

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What a unique and exciting start of a new /hpg/ thread.

>>61601864
>hrtf graphs have an inverse relationship with how a headphone should measure
They do not. This was explained to you by https://rbt.asia/g/thread/61583523/#61594145 and you replied with a combination of fabrication, strawman, a demonstration of ignorance about diffuse field equalization's 1986 origins and your standard "you can't read," an old standby shitposting tactic which you have fallen back on yet again right now. Time and time again people have proved you wrong while citing credible sources and time and time again you reply "you can't read" while providing zero evidence to back up your incorrect claims.

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*serious inquiry*
I want to buy new headphones.
Which headphone should I get, HD600 or K712?

Tell me why you would choose one over the other.

>>61601901
K7XX are too similar to K712 and would not be a logical purchase, so HD600.

>>61601899
you can't read

>>61601918
Okay, why should I get the HD600?

>>61601901
I would get k712s because I already own a pair of HD600s

>>61601930
It is the most balanced sounding full-sized headphone available.

>>61601899
You realize it says in your own citations that it should be an inverse relationship right?

L I T E R A L L Y C A N T R E A D

>>61601864
>hrtf graphs have an inverse relationship with how a headphone should measure
[citation needed]

>>61601951
Quote the text which supports your claim that "hrtf graphs have an inverse relationship with how a headphone should measure." If you do not it will be assumed that you are shitposting.

>>61601930
You shouldn't and you should get the he-400i, which has flatter midrange and is favored by a few reviewers over the hd600.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcoUDbka6w

>>61601965
>here, have a review of a completely different model, it's totally relevant to the headphone I'm recommending
Really? HE-400i has no upper mids and very peaky treble; it is not a good headphone.

>>61601974
I ask specifically about HD600 and K712 but here you are recommending me something that is irrelevant and is of no value to these threads.

>>61602022
It's relevant because it's a better headphone than both of those.

>>61602022
You're surprised that a tripfag is shitposting?

>>61602031
Why are you replying to him instead of quoting the text requested by >>61601963 ? Support your retarded claim, boy.

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>>61601974
So where's that lack of upper mids?

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>>61602031
>smuganimeface.jpg

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>>61602055
>rtings

>>61601868
>Best sounding full-sized headphone
Literally laffin'!

>>61602055
>>61602059
No fucking bass.

>>61602067
Didn't Sennshills love that site before it backfired on them?

>>61602097
I advocate for the HD600 and I certainly never pretended that rtings was anything but a joke website. There seems to be at least one person here if not multiple people who play both sides of the Senn/Beyer shitposting war for trolling value and they were probably the one(s) citing rtings saying HD600 had good soundstage, which is silly because soundstage is completely subjective with widely varying soundstage preferences.

>>61602097
Basically.

Doesn't fit the narrative means it's suddenly garbage and they don't know anything. Hence the reason why most shillheisers don't understand the inverse relationship between hrtf and target response curves.

>>61602129
>the inverse relationship between hrtf and target response curves.
You still haven't provided a quote to support this obviously incorrect claim.

>>61602092
It rolls off at 100, -5 at 40 in a similar manner to the meme600s.

Do you exclusively listen to organ recordings and dubstep?

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>>61602136
HD600 are -2.5 dB at 20 Hz when properly sealed.

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>>61602055
No upper mids. Peaky treble.
>rtings

Are the HD600s good for 60s Rock music like the Beatles, Beach Boys, Doors, Byrds and so on?

>>61602199
They're practically made for dadrock. That's probably the best genre for them.

I bought the SHP9500, they sound really good and are comfy, these will last me a few years or until I've got spare money and my addiction kicks in again

I love both HD600 and HD650, both models are high quality headphones, and you will be happy with any model!

Dammit, I was about to buy the HD600 but you shill them so much that now I think I'm getting memed on.

>>61602634
I recommend you take the time to find a store that has them and give them a listen in person. You should listen to a whole bunch of headphones, and buy what you think sounds good for the types of things you listen to.

>>61601788
wow his headphones can VIBRATE PAPER
how INCREDIBLE, $500 well spent
guess what else can vibrate paper? my $5 didlo

>>61603222
my $0 earthquakes can also do that and much more

>no single audiostore in a 150 km radius where i could test really high end headphones
Is it worth to drive 200km to a audiostore to test 1000€+ headphones?

>beyer headphones snap
>Send in support ticket
>Get some gay reply where they clearly didn't even read the message
>At the bottom it says to send in an RMA form
>Do it

>GET THE EXACT SAME MESSAGE

Go fuck yourself idiots.

Beyers are fucking trash, 4 months of light use and they broke. Never again

>>61603692
HD 650 is the answer

>>61601793
kill yourself poorfag

please post your current headphones and whether you are happy with them
>hd600
>mostly happy, but bass heavy tracks cause a rattle/distortion in the left speaker that I can't fix, despite a few attempts at cleaning them out

>>61601941
other than literally every high end offering ever but sure

>>61603692
post timestamped photos or it never happened

>>61603790
>Fidelio x2
>happy but you can't remove the pads completly. So it's hard to clean them

What genres are the hd 600 good for?

>>61604283
Most genres like classical,rock,jazz,pop it does very well with, but if you listen to a lot of hiphop/edm/dubstep/trap there are better options out there. not that they're useless at it but you'll probably want to eq for it if you're chasing bass drops

Reminder that the circle of confusion guarantees your loli-flat-FR Will not give tou the same as what was heard in the Studio.

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>>61603790
>jvc sz2000
>not happy
they were garbage, terrible sound, terrible build quality, heavy, but as dedicated bass cannons they excel, would not recommend or buy again - there are far more balanced headphones out there even for people that love bass

I'm using cheap in-ear phones until I decide what to get next

>>61601901
I'm in your position
I'm getting the K712 since so far it apparently has a more neutral tonality than the HD600, deeper bass and treble extension and better soundstage and imaging but is not forgiving of bad recordings.
I haven't actually heard either to know for myself I'm just going off internet reviews.

>>61604372
also the pleather on the headband and pads started deteriorating straight away

Can someone list the differences in sound of the hd600 and hd650?

What headphones are compatible with the boom pro? None of the big three are, so what are my options besides v-moda?

>>61604420
>HD 600
>Shit
>HD 650
>50% more shit

>>61604545
Asking this seriously

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>>61601788
i cringed

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>>61604704
The hd650 is a bassier version of the hd600.

Both have rolled off highs and lumpy mids and are very overpriced for the overall performance they offer.

>>61602634
Listen to other headphones, go to a shop and compare.

Chances are you'll find something better for cheaper.

im chooing between razer kraken pro(green one) or ATH-M50 for gaming?

>>61604950
Ath-m50s because all headsets are super trash.

That being said, the status audio cb-1 is a closed back, cheaper, detachable cable alternative with a more balanced sound signature that you should consider checking out.

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16826138190?ignorebbr=1&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL072817&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL072817-_-EMC-072817-Index-_-HeadphonesAccessories-_-26138190-S0I
this a good deal?

>>61604856
They good for 60s pop and 60s rock? the hd 600s?

xiaomi pistons for $8AU?

>>61605389
http://www.gearbest.com/earbud-headphones/pp_603274.html

>>61605388
I'd go with the hifiman he-400i for those circumstances.

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What are some cheap yet nice headphone stands?
I'm having trouble finding anything that isn't overpriced in Australia

hi /hpg/ first time posting

ive never really gotten into music much before but i want to. i've got a budget of about $15~20k to spend on a set of headphones and an amp

this is for home use, and mostly for listening to EDM.

what are your suggestions?

>>61605574
I'm assuming the k at the end of that budget is a mistake or you're trolling.

>>61605647
no i got $20000 to spend, i wanna get sommin nice that will last

>>61605574
Stax SR-009
Stax are the best and these are the best Stax
Top end electrostatic amps go for around $5-10k

Or you could splash out and get a Sennheiser Orpheus for $50k

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Best Powered Bookshelf Speakers in the $200-400 range?

>>61605666
honestly, if you're going to spend big money, take your time and enjoy the process. get together your favourite tracks, book time at the nearest top end hifi place that has a decent selection of headphones and try them all out

>>61605574
>>61605727
Also at $15~20k you're going to get a lot more out of a speaker system than headphones.

At the absolute top end of headphones you're looking at something like the $4000 Focal Utopia or $5000 Stax SR-009

>>61605747
Looking at the Audioengine HD3
anyone have them?

>>61605523
make your own? just cut some shaped boards specific for your headphone and glue them together

>>61605875
Not a bad idea, I've always wanted to try my hand at woodworking.

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>>61605915
try something like this

Does /hpg/ have any experience of bone conduction headphones?

I have a conductive hearing loss in my left ear (up to 60dB hearing threshold in some frequencies) and I have been thinking of buying bone conduction headphones to hear what it sounds like to hear stereo music as it is made to sound.

How is the audio quality with bone conduction and are they worth it for listening music at home? It seems like 99% of the models are designed for sports use and only have Bluetooth connectivity. So far only model I have seen with a 3.5mm plug is AfterShokz Sportz Titanium, which is also the model I'm considering buying.

I suppose this is not very common subject, but I would appreciate any info.

>>61605747
JBL lsr305 are the best at that price bracket

>>61605789
This. 20k could get you totl speakers and amplification.

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When I wear pic related for a very long time, after like 6 months it gets pretty oily and shit because it absorbs the oils on my skin.
How do I clean this shit without breaking it and without having to buy special "leather cleaner"?

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>>61606127
Damn that thing is ugly
do they not come with grills?

>>61606186
Just use a damp microfibre cloth

>>61606127
>>61605747
Oh also I forgot to mention I want to use them with my PC without an amp or dac or whatever
So they need a usb/3.5mm port

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Are these good for Rock?

>>61606194
>wanting dust magnets

>>61606237
Is there any reason you're avoiding dacs in particular? Usb audio interfaces are cheap (you could get a decent one for $50) and they'd make setup easy.

>>61606194
They don't come with grills sadly.

>>61606298
I have a scarlett solo for recording, can I use that?

>>61606333
Absolutely, get rca to xlr cables and use the line out on it and you'll be set. The Scarlett interfaces are designed to interface with powered studio monitors

Fuck me, neutral IEMs are hard to come by. Any < 100 USD pairs you'd recommend?

>>61606386
Etymotics lower end stuff.

>>61606380
okay! thanks

>>61606413
Anytime, hope you enjoy them!

>>61606412
I looked at the etymotics that were recommended, but those look like serious ear-fucks. I don't know about all that.

>>61606433
Ear dildos feel nice.

>>61606433
With the stock ear tips they are ear dildos I won't deny that, but you can get aftermarket foam tips from comply that remedy it.

>>61606273
well are they?

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>>61606412
>even lumpier minds than the HD600

>>61606510
Yeah they'll be fine for rock. I own a pair and listen to Fleetwood Mac and journey on the regular with no issues.

>>61606194
Just fit some pantyhose over them.

>>61606542
>Accentuated mids with a light roll-off
Compared to
>Giant mountain peak

>>61606748
>the mountain peak is higher on the etymotic
Fuck off lumpmeister

>>61606801
*wider, whoops

HD 600 or Fidelio X2?

>>61607083
No amp: Fidelio X2
Amp: HD 600

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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>>61607241
Better than yours.

>>61607257
Patrician music taste anon. <3

>>61604283
They're accurate, do not colour the sound, and thus will not favour any genre of music.

>>61605388
I'd go with HD600. They're far more accurate.
>>61604856
HE400 shows absolute garbage mids in that plot.

>>61606237
Just get a cable. Yes, you can connect your computers to lsr305 with a cable.

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>>61607257
They're not as close as the HD600 are to the HD600 target curve, also known as HD600's frequency response.
Therefore, they are objectively worse.
OK, just kidding. Good taste in general :-)

hd600 or shp9500

>>61607511
HD600. More accurate. Durable. All parts are replaceable and available, in the event something breaks after a few decades of use.
SHP9500 is cheap, but disposable; the earpads are glued and not made to be easily replaced.

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>>61607545
>HD600. More accurate

>>61607545
How are the SHP9500s? Theyre 50 bucks on newegg right now
I got a pair of Q701 thats lasted me 3 years now for comparison

>>61607561
>rtings

>>61607611
They're good for their price, and a good first purchase for somebody who's never had any decent headphones.
Considering Q701, you should look into HD600.

>>61607611
Hard to beat at $50. Id go with those instead of dropping $300 on memecans.
>>61607348
>Garbage mids
>Flatter than meme600s

>>61607656
>>61607714
i already have a pair of Q701s but i need be something that i can take to work thats not expensive but sounds good and will last. Thats why im asking about the 9500s

Say me one reason why i shouldn't buy the Byerdynamics T1 (2.n Generation)!

>>61607767
>to work
If that's an open office, you'd want something closed. The 9500 are open, so no.
The cheapo and yet good option is Status CB-1. I do use/favor the Sennheiser HD380. From sony, mdr-7506, mdr-v6 and mdr-cd900st are worth looking into.

>>61607801
Magic 8 balls says "No"

>>61607767
The 9500s would fit the bill well, or a pair of status audio Cb-1s which are only a little bit more.

>>61607257
why would you buy good headphones to listen to rock with shit-tier 70s production? also that rdj album it's lofi as fuck

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>>61607820
>Shit teir 70s production

>>61607820
>He doesn't know what the loudness war is and that most high fidelity music production was in the 70s

:^)

>>61607838
do you also download lofi house in FLAC lad

>>61602634
Unless you crave heavy bass then there's no reason why you shouldn't absolutely love them.

>>61607257
>the absolute fucking state of them grados

They sound good at least right?

>>61607838
>Shit teir 70s production
Best listened to through a schiit dac and amp.

>>61607914
Yknow, except the peaky mids and rolled off treble, followed by a $300 price tag.

>>61607939
Yep, nothing wrong with the drivers. I replaced the broken cable with an ethernet cable and keep the broken gimbal in place with epoxy and a rubber band

>>61607991
>Peaky mids

What does that mean?

>Rolled off treble

What does that mean too?

>>61607882
>most high fidelity music production was in the 70s
https://youtu.be/VouHPeO4Gls
https://youtu.be/sGYzpBoxa-w

>>61608123
Nonsense. All this tripfag does is shitpost.
He seems to enjoy linking the one poorly sealed HD600 FR and claim nobass. He also likes to show HE400 FR and claim its mids are wonderful. A glance shows an unstable as fuck FR in the mids.
He's a nutcase, just report and/or filter.

>>61603790
Look inside driver with a flashlight for a hair. Remove carefully with tweezers if you find it.

>>61608181
So the HD600's are good and he is just meming?

>>61608295
Pretty much, but you shouldn't just take anybody in 4chan at his word.
Googling for HD600 reviews should yield you plenty; They've been around since 1997. You'll find subjective reviews, but also objective measurements and what they mean.

>>61608123
He's literally intentionally spreading misinformation. He's a shitposting troll, as if that's surprising with the tripcode and all. It has been thoroughly explained to him with credible sources as evidence that the HD600's ~3 kHz peak in raw measurements is supposed to be there due to HRTF and diffuse field equalization, and while he normally simply responds "you can't read" whenever he is conclusively proven wrong, now he has proceeded to make a completely false claim in >>61601951 while intentionally ignoring >>61601963 because he knows his claim was fabricated to begin with. He has been shitposting and intentionally spreading misinformation for quite a while now; just ignore him.

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>>61608156
The 2003 remaster sounds good to me
my.mixtape.moe/hpaqbx.flac

>>61608295
Yes, HD600 are amazing headphones: https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/very-important-sennheiser-hd-580-hd-600-and-hd-650
They are the most commonly recommended headphones in both /hpg/ and r/headphones for a reason.

>>61607767
The Akai Project 50x is a steal at its current price.

Not the greatest comfort though. Would add some better pads to help with the comfort, I use the Lyxpro Has 30 (leather pads).

NVX XPT100 is also a good buy if you want something you can leave on your head for many hours with no pain.


XPT100 is more neutral while the Project 50x is a bit warm.

>>61608354
>>61608295
https://warosu.org/g/?ghost=yes&search_op=all&search_int=dontcare&search_res=post&task=search2&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_del=dontcare&search_username=plebspotters&offset=144
He also appears to be a ban evader who changed IP address, username and tripcode after he was banned for ponyposting until his ban expired, at which point he went back to his current username and tripcode.

>>61608469
Nope, not me. I thought he was doing a good job shitting on the HD600 shills but I couldn't associate with him after realizing he didn't know shit about HRTF.

>>61608469
Whatever helps you sleep at night, because I just stopped posting for my 2 day ponypost ban and I guess someone filled the plebspotter boots for that time
No affiliation in all seriousness, and it seems like the same 2-3 shitheiser shillers come after me after I proved they misinterpret their own citations and call a veiled muddy headphone "flat."

>>61608505
That's a hell of a coincidence that your tripcode first shows up in the archive immediately after DiPolarDisorder's tripcode was banned, then DiPolarDisorder posts for the first time since getting banned about 3 days and 80 minutes ago (3 day bans are common), your tripcode has not posted since then and DiPolarDisorder is clearly in this thread right now having posted less than an hour ago. Hell of a coincidence.

>>61608505
>>61608527
>61 seconds apart
Hell of a coincidence.

Whats a really cheap stereo receiver that i can buy thats not total trash

>>61608592
>>61608605
Believe what you want, but I honestly was going to retire this trip after dipolar came back and made a huge fool of himself.

It's #gochiusa, by the way.

https://warosu.org/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=lumpy
Hell of a coincidence that Chino just happened to use the very peculiar term "lumpy mids."

>>61608607
Yamaha has some decent ones, emotiva as well.

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>>61608669
>that one post where DiPolar accidentally posted as anon then deleted it hoping nobody would notice he samefags as anon

>>61608527
>after I proved they misinterpret their own citations
You haven't proved shit until you respond to >>61601963
Quote the text which supports your claim, boy.

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>>61608718
>This literally never happened
>Mfw shillheisers start eating each other alive and accusing eachother of being me when you don't agree with eachother

>>61605523
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-in-1-Universal-15mm-Acrylic-Base-Headphone-Stand-Display-Rack-Headset-F6-/282290482449

>>61609053
That's perfect. Thank you!

>>61608788
> Generally speaking, the HRTF boosts frequencies from 2 - 5 kHz with a primary resonance of +17 dB at 2,700 Hz. But the response curve is more complex than a single bump, affects a broad frequency spectrum, and varies significantly from person to person.

Why do I want headphones with boosted frequencies at points where your ears already have boosted sensitivity to those same frequencies?

Also, why are they attempting to optimize their fqr around something that varies heavily from person to person?

>>61609143
You're welcome, I just hope it's stable enough for you.

Looking for wireless headphones recommendation.

In ear
No wires between L and R

>>61609174
Airpods

>>61608156
>bleep bloop
>fidelity

>>61609174
Amy reason you don't want the cable between them? They're easy to lose one without it.

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>>61609158
That quotation does NOT support the claim, "hrtf graphs have an inverse relationship with how a headphone should measure."
>Why do I want headphones with boosted frequencies at points where your ears already have boosted sensitivity to those same frequencies?
Accurate speakers in a diffuse field (or in a good listening room as well, as shown by the green line here, which is Harman's measurement of accurate speakers in a good room at the eardrum of an ear simulator) produce a large peak at ~3 kHz in raw, uncompensated measurements at the eardrum. Thus, accurate headphones should also produce a large ~3 kHz peak in raw, uncompensated measurements at the eardrum. This is not complicated.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/251699464310?_mwBanner=1&varId=550609323239
Anyone knows If these will change the sound much?
The pads on my AD900x are slowly dying and i really like how they sound.
They look like beyer pads It seems, which i wouldn't mind, always liked how beyer pads feel.

>>61609699
Using different earpads will change the sound. A900X replacement pads are actually a decent choice for AD900X as they will boost the AD900X's anemic bass.

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Any CB-1 owners here? I posted in yesterday's /hpg/ and then in /diy/ pic very related
>Phone posting

>>61609158
>Also, why are they attempting to optimize their fqr around something that varies heavily from person to person?
The ideal headphone system would scan a user's inner ear, calculate a precise HRTF from said scan and then use said HRTF to automatically equalize the headphones with DSP. The best we can do is use an average human HRTF as a headphone target in lieu of such technology.

>>61609630
>Accurate speakers in a diffuse field (or in a good listening room as well, as shown by the green line here, which is Harman's measurement of accurate speakers in a good room at the eardrum of an ear simulator) produce a large peak at ~3 kHz in raw, uncompensated measurements at the eardrum.

If they're producing this peak then they aren't accurate.
>Not measuring speakers in an anechoic chamber

>Thus, accurate headphones should also produce a large ~3 kHz peak in raw, uncompensated measurements at the eardrum. This is not complicated.

No, they shouldn't. Because a large 3khz peak would not be neutral, especially if the ear is more sensitive to it.

This is not complicated.

what's the price range for a decent set of headphones or a headset that won't physically break or fall apart within 6 months of daily use?

>>61609862
$30+, stop tossing your headphones around like a football.

>>61609862
Status audio cb-1 or Phillips shp-9500s. Are the bare minimum on the basis that they have detachable cables (90% of the time headphones break it's the cable). Build quality for both is decent for the price.

>>61609442
Absolutely not
>>61609564
I enjoy a clean look, and any wires around my neck get in the way of my daily activities

>>61603641
If you're spending THAT much money, yeah.I wouldn't blind buy anything over $250, especially not without a good return policy.

>>61609831
>If they're producing this peak then they aren't accurate.
Speakers which produce a flat (accurate) response when measured by a microphone that is not inside an ear produce a large ~3 kHz peak when measured at the eardrum. This is a well-established fact. I think you know this and are pretending to be retarded for troll value.
>Not measuring speakers in an anechoic chamber
That would be free-field equalization, which was demonstrated to be unsuitable for headphones by "On the Standardization of the Frequency Response of High-Quality Studio Headphones," G. Theile, 1986.

>>61609955
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229042363_Headphone_Reproduction_via_Loudspeakers_using_Inverse_HRTF_Filters

>>61609955
Don't bother arguing with the tripcunt, he can't read.

>>61609911
I've had issues like the hinges snapping, the glue on the cushioning deteriorating, the slidy bits for adjusting for headsize getting stuck etc.

>>61609941
I've never had cable issues, it's almost entirely down to them just physically degrading.

>>61609982
Are you using these on the go and whatnot or is this at home?

>>61609976
That study is not relevant to this conversation. It is about simulating the sensation of headphone listening through speakers.

>>61610038
using at home, for gaming voice coms typically.
Usually wearing for 3-4 hours at a time. The last pair was really bad on my ear and would chafe it so badly my ear tip would bleed.

>>61610062
Try the Cb-1s out, the pads are replaceable and the hinges seem study to me at least. The Phillips sound really nice too but the pads are glued on which is annoying.

>>61609982
>hinges snapping
Don't twist from the cups. Either grab from the edges of the cups or above the adjustment sliders.
>glue on the cushioning deteriorating
Glued on pads are absolute cancer like Gibson produced X2's.
>adjusters getting stuck
That's either a shit headphone by design or you're getting shit stuck in it.
>>61610062
CB-1 or SHP9500. Big, soft comfy pads with light clamp.

>>61610057
>Doesn't fit your narrative
>Instantly not relevant to the conversation.

Sure ok.

>>61610092
Provide a quote from the study which supports your claim that "hrtf graphs have an inverse relationship with how a headphone should measure," and explain why it supports your claim. If you cannot do this you will be assumed to be shitposting.

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Currently using M50x meme headphones.
I use them for gayming (mostly single player and I enjoy horror titles, so closed back is important to me), and for music like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYUm5T8uQIY) and this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGADJ_F1Wgg). I'd like to upgrade to something in the $150-$250ish range that sits more comfortably. The weight and band on the m50 is fine but the cups aren't my favorite thing in the world. Recommendations?

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>>61609739
>>61609941
>>61610085

>CB-1

>>61610273
Beyerdynamic Custom Studio

>>61610273
Oh, and preferably something with thinner cans too. I'd want to wear these during my work commutes without looking like princess Leia.

>>61601901
Get the K612 Pro. They're better than both and also a lot cheaper.

>>61610163
Title of study is: Headphone production via loudspeakers using inverse hrtf filters.

>>61609784
liek dis? youtube.com/watch?v=eZ3D6_cW1CA

>>61603790
>Fidelio x2
Pretty happy. They're a bit heavy and you can't replacement earpads for them though
>AKG K612 Pro
Very happy. They sound great. Only gripe is the non-padded headband.
>Fidelio S2
Super happy. Comfy as fuck and great sound.

>>61610438
How is the K612 better than the K712?

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What do you guys think about the V-Moda Crossfade II?

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>>61607241
Lots of shitposting lately.

>>61610377
A bit chunky for me, thanks though. If I were richer I'd get a pair of around-the-house cans like that and a pair for being in public but I can really only do one atm.
>inb4 someone screeches for caring about aesthetics

>>61610538
Bass cannons but not to the same degree as beats. Build quality is excellent though.

>>61610510
It's not orange.

>>61610538
Overpriced bassy fashionphones

What's a nice upgrade from Philips Fidelio X2s?

>>61610620
I'm half tempted to get some K612 drivers and a K701 and replace the K701 drivers with the K612's since I like the white look so much.

>>61610637
HD650 + amp and DAC

Should i get the hd600 or hd650 if im using it primarily for gaming?

>Used to exclusively listen to headphones
>Literally every single one of them (even the ones which supposedly have high comfort) get annoying to wear and make me want to take them off
>Switch to speakers
>Been enjoying greater sound quality with my speakers for years now, all without any comfort issues
>Bought a solid set of cans anyway just to have (Don't use them all that much though even though they sound good)
>Tinnitus has cleared up as an added benefit

Lads, why are you still falling for the headphone meme?

>>61610650
No to Sennheiser. Had the 598 for a bit, didn't like them.

>>61610668
Because I'm not going to carry my sound system on a dolly like those homeless guys in Midtown?

>>61610668
Can't listen to speakers while I ride my bicycle.

>>61610670
Go try them out at a store somewhere, along with whatever else is available.

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These are the best headset I think I've ever had.
>reinforced wiring that's 19 miles long
>no flimsy lights or other gimmicks that pull your attention away from the screen
>stupidly powerful, I've never had to ramp my volume above 10% to be more than satisfied
>comfy and easily adjustable

That being said, the only drawback:
>collect dust like a motherfucker and need a yearly cleaning at least

My greatest sorrow is that they don't sell these in my country anymore, so when these inevitably die I'm going to have to try something new.

>>61610689
>>61610701
Fair enough lads, those are fine reasons.

I should have specified that I'm mostly referring to people who sit at home most of the day and choose headphones over speakers.

>>61610668
>speakerfags
>have to share your audio with others
>takes up much more space
>won't get the full 7.1 experience around your ears no matter where you are

Truly kys-tier.

>>61610770
>won't get the full 7.1 experience around your ears no matter where you are
You don't get any kind of surround experience using headphones, so what kind of an argument is that?

>>61610796

Are you silly? Most good headphones have 7.1 surround sound.

>>61610719
>braided = reinforced
good luck with that. unlike rubber cables, braided cables kind like crazy.

>>61610725
>I should have specified that I'm mostly referring to people who sit at home most of the day
Keep in mind you're posting on a board of NEETs who live at home.


>>61610770
>>won't get the full 7.1 experience around your ears no matter where you are
Uh oh, did you fall for the faux-surround headphone/software meme?

>>61610770
>won't get the full 7.1 experience around your ears no matter where you are
You can't be this stupid.

>>61610807

They did take some... ironing out the first time. And it was a real bitch too considering the cable was so long. But after a day of straightening out the wire was docile and well-behaved.

>>61610455
It's actually "Headphone Reproduction via Loudspeakers using Inverse HRTF Filters," it does not support your claim and you made no attempt to explain why it does support your claim.

>>61610803
>Most good headphones have 7.1 surround sound.
Gaming headsets are not good headphones.

I just realized that anonymous anti-Sennheiser shitposting has been reduced to nearly zero since DiPolar has been going on his current shitposting spree. I just realized this means that most of the anonymous anti-Sennheiser shitposting in the past has been the tripfag who has been proving himself to be absolutely retarded in the past few days. Interesting.

>>61610770
>7.1 experience from stereo headphones
>Implying anything simulating 7.1 on headphones actually sounds good.
>7.1 refers to home theater (7 speakers and 1 subwoofer)
>Not wanting to listen to music with your friends

Lol what a fucking pleb.

>>61610857
>tripfag
>opinion matters

>>61610857
>7 speakers and 1 subwoofer
>not having 1 subwoofer for each channel
Do you even hi-fi?

>>61601776
I've bought HD650 with modi+magni 2 combo three years ago and never have bought any other headphone since.

It's perfect. You just enjoy your music without mentally masturbating over minuscule things.

Cost me £300 and i'm set for life. Match me.

>>61610854
Nobody was shilling your shitty Veilheisers here before reddit and phoneposter flooded it.

>>61610854
Nah, it's just cause even the anti-senn shit posters hate the tripcunt more and don't want to help him in any way.

>>61610854
>Still trying to call samefag on absolutely no evidence or sound basis
>Implying Sennheiser shills shit on each other regularly in previous threads

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Also I have nothing against other Sennheiser cans, just the meme600s

>>61610873
Fuck subwoofers, my speakers have an f6 at 25hz and I don't listen to organ recordings.

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Long time /hpg/ veteran here to drop truth bombs and cast audiophools and head-fi migrants down into the abyss.

1. Here is a list of the only headphones you will ever want to consider if you care about neutral sound, didn't fall for the audio coloration meme and want headphones for listening to, not as a fashion statement, luxury or any other retarded reason:
Sony MDR 7506
Sennheiser HD 558
Beyerdynamic DT 880
(You may consider HD 600 if you need higher impedance phones for whatever reason)

2. AMPs are for making your headphones louder. No, they don't make them sound better. If your amps change the way your headphones sound, your amps are shit or you're plugging your headphones into the wrong hole.

3. Same for DACs. DACs stopped mattering somewhere in early 2000s, they arr sound same.

4. The reason your 34 ohm impedance headphones sound like shit out of your motherboard jack port is because you're plugging them into the speaker out. Plug them into the front panel headphones jack, retard.

5. Consider getting a parametric software equalizer like Peace + APO before getting new headphones.

6. Tube amps are fucking retarded. All they give you is treble roll off, which you can achieve with an equalizer.

7. The output impedance of your audio source should be 8 times less than the impedance of your headphones.

8. There's no such thing as "soundstage", it's just that a lot of music is mixed with speakers, where there is channel crossfeed. Enable software crossfeed on your playback device and get your fucking "soundstage"

9. Weebs are trash

>>61610919
Dumb frogposter

>>61610668
Actually I went the opposite way.
With speakers, you have to deal with room acoustics, resonant modes, reverberation time, shitty multiway filters, and also your neighbors.

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>>61610919
>7506, 558, 880
>neutral

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>>61610919
>DT880
>neutral sound

>>61610919
>Sony MDR 7506

saw everyone shill these, got them, and they're absolute garbage. neutral my ass. im pretty sure at this point that no one actually owns these and just says whatever he read

>>61610919
> The reason your 34 ohm impedance headphones sound like shit out of your motherboard jack port is because you're plugging them into the speaker out. Plug them into the front panel headphones jack, retard.
Explain? Something to do with interference? Also, what would be the closed back equivalent to the 558s?

>>61610919
Points 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are good. The rest notsomuch, especially DT880 being neutral.

>>61610957
>>61610951
>All shillheiser posters can do is post weeb shit and move goalposts while misinterpreting sources.

>>61610919
>Enable software crossfeed on your playback device and get your fucking "soundstage"
How do I do this?

>>61610987
Yeah the DT880 are good but not exactly neutral
I also agree with 9 tbqhwyf

>>61611000
It just muffles the sound. Trusting frogposters is always a dumb idea.

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>>61610919
>9. Weebs are trash

>>61610996
>post shit and move goalposts while misinterpreting sources
Stop projecting.

>>61611000
http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/advanced-crossfeed-dsp.762/ The dropbox link in this thread is the best crossfeed available; it is the only crossfeed with zero effect on frequency response. It is a VST plugin. Load it in Foobar2000 using http://www.yohng.com/software/foobarvst.html
To use it for video playback, use ffdshow audio in MPC-HC and load it with http://www.mywinamp.com/winamp-vst-plugin/ under ffdshow's Winamp 2 section.
A gain setting of -4.8 is the highest gain setting without clipping for this VST plugin; Foobar will remember this setting (and forget it periodically) and MPC-HC will not.

>>61610273
380 Pro
>>61610637
TH-X00 or K712, there's sub bass now.

Soundstage is artificial. Imaging is what you want. Angled drivers (like toe-in) and grills with just circular holes worsen imaging.

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>>61611011
Astralstorm's crossfeed linked in >>61611059 does not muffle the sound. You may be speaking of experience with the popular bs2b plugin, which does pic related to the frequency response at its default setting. Inverse EQ settings for this effect can be easily derived using the techniques described by https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/how-to-automatically-eq-your-headphones-to-online-measurements-a-step-by-step-guide.854773/

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>>61610957
More neutral than your shitty audio-technicas, weeb trash.
Besides, you buy DT880 for the build quality meme and because DT7506 are hard to find sometimes, then equalize the ear rape away.

>>61610980
Not interference, basically having high impedance will distort the sound of your headphones in unpredictable ways. Motherboard outs and sound card outs have 10 or higher ohm impedance, usually. Dedicated headphone outs have low impedance. Very important for balanced armature earphones.
It's actually one of the few reasons to consider a USB DAC or AMP, so you know for sure the output impedance of your output device and don't have to rely on the cat in a bag that is your computer case front panel.

As for closed back equivalents of HD558, consider lower model beyers and equalize the highs away if present. You may also try HD 518, but those are semi-closed.
Alternatively, look into balanced armature IEMs. But as I said, watch your impedance with those.

>>61610987
>>61611001
One of the few decent closed back headphones desu, not much to choose from. Having sound bounc off the back-plate causes problems with resonance in the FR.
I'd sooner get IEMs than closed backs. Put some foam tips on those and enjoy the silence.

>>61611000
>>61611011
Of course it slightly muffles the sound, what do you think happens when you listen to speakers? Sub 1000hz waves feed on each other.
But if you have extremely separated headphones and it feels like the sound is coming from inside your brain, consider software cross feed.
I personally have cross feed on my rockbox enabled personal audio player, maybe you can find the settings in your audio driver menu, but audio driver settings are usually shite. Maybe you need a third party program.
Also, you need parametric cross feed that you can adjust, preferably.

>>61611100
The headphones with the best imaging in the world, the HD800, have angled drivers. Your post is invalid.

>>61611081
>380 Pro
Those look right up my alley. Can a phone like a Galaxy S5 drive them well without an amp? Not needing one with the m50s was always nice.

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>>61611109
>you buy DT880 for the build quality meme
No.

>>61611126
They'd have better imaging if they weren't angled.

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>>61611152
*crunch*

>>61611155
Explain why using credible sources as evidence. Protip: your ear canals are angled.

>>61611149
Yes and do better with an amp

>>61611109
>wanting shit muffled sound
And now you're telling me that's what speakers sound like too? Disgusting, no thanks.

Crossfeed is absolutely necessary with a lot of hard-panned recordings. The recent Beatles stereo remasters come to mind; they benefit heavily from Astralstorm's crossfeed.
I also really enjoy anime with crossfeed as it places voices more in front of me.

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Looking for in ear wireless headphones with wires between L and R, and a brighter-neutral sound.
I will be using it for biking so it needs to have some sort of way of pining it to my clothes.

Help plox

Also, reducing volume through software (such as windows slider) affects sound quality by reducing bit depth.
Another reason to possibly consider an external AMP with an analog volume control.
>>61611191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUfzMDryA94
If the siren sound that shifts from right and left channel disappears in the front, you need crossfeed because your audio is panned.

Another benefit to crossfeed is it can reduce listening fatigue. Again, Astralstorm's crossfeed does not muffle the sound and I highly recommend everyone to at least try it.

>>61611177
Do you post in /r/headphones?

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>>61611229
ZS5 with a bluetooth cable

http://www.gearbest.com/earbud-headphones/pp_641227.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/KZ-ZST-ZS3-ZS5-Bluetooth-4-1-Wireless-Advanced-Upgrade-Module-for-ZST-ZS3-ZS5/2894006_32815821305.html

An anon asked if dekoni th900 pads fit on ad1000x. The kind of do; the issue is the lip of the pad as they don't comfortably reach above the back ridge of the phones (it just barely goes over).

They are comfier than stock. My initial impressions on sound is there a small increase in bass and a smidge decrease in highs when compared to stock. Overall more neutral but im not sure if the asking price is worth at this moment.

Tape mod more fun though.

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>>61611304
And use an EQ similar to this to make it more tonally neutral

>>61611297
I do not.

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>>61611324
Thanks, anon. I figured that back ridge might be an issue (see image, after market pads). I hate driver angling too so that design is not doing much good other than possibly keeping the inside from touching my ears. I think I'll add a ridge to the front somehow to counter that angling and... try the party balloon idea to mitigate the bass roll-off.

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Regarding decent closed back headphones, I've been considering EDIFIER H850.
It looks like it could have potential if equalized properly. You only need 2.5 db headroom if you bump the dips and flatten the peaks.

>>61610919
>Plug them into the front panel headphones jack, retard.
Many times it will produce an audible hiss since it's picking up interference.

>>61611561
PC cases are hit and miss in that regard.

What is the HD 600 of closed back headphones?

>>61611390
Tank you friend, I've heard about these headphones, do you have a pair? How detailed is
the sound?

>>61611629
I think I've heard some people compare the Aeon to the 600

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name a good replacement for my beloved Motorola 305s? in the same style, there twice the price they used to be, should have bought in bulk while i could have.

>>61603222
> $500
> you must be retarded

>>61611809
Maybe KSC75

>>61611533
>Rollercoaster high frequency response
I mean yeah, you can EQ them, but it'll take a lot of work listening to Sinegen.

>>61611836
never reply to me again you fucking inbred moron

>>61611629
DT250 80 ohm re: more affordable options.

>>61611809
KSC75 or SportaPro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjTQsY8rhaM
audio files get rekt

I paid 379 euros for a Bose QC35.

I was told to come here to get sincere reviews about the product I bought.

>>61611152
>beyer wants me to pay £30 to ship my headphones out to them for """free"""" repair

>only alternative is paying £35 for the "slider repair kit"

If you buy these headphones for £100 and expect "good build quality" you got memed on just like me

>>61612263
Please stop posting videos of my grandpa

>>61611659
Not quite as detailed as my grado sr80's. They're definitely not muddy or veiled at all.

>plug headphones directly into pc
>they work fine
>plug headphones into pc via extension cable
>they work fine for an arbitrary amount of time and then will develop a buzzing sound in the left ear only
Why?

>>61612942
Cheap cables often have cross talk issues.
The left and ground channels are crossing slightly somewhere

>>61613022
They weren't exactly high end but they weren't some no name chinkshit either. What's a recommended brand?

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>>61612516
>treat things badly
>wonder why they break

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>tfw seeing MDR 1000X's being sold at $200 used
Should I do it bros? They are in great condition and come with everything aside from the box and manuals.

>>61613462
https://community.sony.com/t5/Headphones/Sony-MDR-1000X-left-side-of-bracket-broken-in-10-days/td-p/613977
Nope. Don't do it.

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I just realized I mixed up low and high shelf filters in equalizer APO.

For YEARS I've been listening to distorted audio thinking it was perfectly transparent and neutral.

I want to fucking die rn

>>61613548
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
The latest version of EAPO has an analysis panel which shows you exactly what the filters are doing and also tells you exactly what your peak gain is for proper preamp settings, so you should update if you haven't.

>>61613548
EQfags BTFO

>>61613573
Tbh I'm kinda over the fidelity meme.

Psychoacoustics seem to naturally adjust and "equalize" music as long as it's not horribly distorted to the point some instruments fall out entirely.

I guess that's where the burn-in meme comes from, the ears literally subjectively alter the sound as they get used to a new signature.

>>61606127
Best under $1200 more like

>>61610919
>Long time /hpg/ veteran here to drop truth bombs and cast audiophools

Stopped reading immediately. Absolute trash.

>>61613289
>>61613289
I never dropped them, never slammed them down, never even put them anywhere but on my desk or used them for anything other than on my head and then placing them down, wires never got caught or anything.

I'm being 100% honest, I'm gonna get a free replacement from Amazon anyway so I don't give a shit at this point.

>>61613687
t. 9001 karma on head-fi

>>61610919
>so this is the power of the anti 600 poster

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

>>61613548
>>61613602
this is why I'm buying my next set of headphones principally based on comfort and build quality, if they are comfy and last a long time, the old noggin can paper over any "recessed highs" or "lumpy mids"

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I want a pair of wireless bluetooth headphones for working out, any suggestions on the cheaper end? I don't care about sound quality, because I listen to lectures/audiobooks.

I already have good cans and IEMs for normal use, I just need something for exercise that'll stay in my ear.

>>61613742 new thread

>>61613745
ZS5 with KZ Bluetooth cable

>>61613548
>this is the guy that that speaks down to others on /g/

Fucking die.

>>61603692
The headband is pure spring steel. Go fuck yourself liar.

>>61613868
Unless you're a mod, you have no PROOFs of my identity.

I declare you a buthurrted butt boy with an axe to grind.

>>61609862
Not SHP9500. Cable might be detachable, but the earpads are glued in place.

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>>61610552
Yeah, shitty weather. It'll go away, eventually.
At least you still have patrician taste (but I still prefer yozora).

>>61610660
HD600, because they're the most accurate of the two, therefore better.
>>61610854
Wow, you're right. A coincidence? Naaah. Just you wait, he'll get defensive. Oh lol, it has already happened.
>>61610273
Your budget allows you to just get the HD600 and call it a day, so I suggest you do that.

>>61609699
Yes, I have the 2000x and bought those pads to try them out, and they really became nobass.

>>61614645
What do you mean by more accurate?

>>61616168
HD650 is mid forward, has recessed treble and added bass. This will make some songs sound better to some people, but is ultimately colouring; it will also make most songs sound worse to most people.

How is the Beyerdynamic DT 990?