Why can't I find any place online that sells Opus music?
>>61600759
>buys music in anything but FLAC
>>61600759
Why would you buy lossy music you moron? Like the other guy said, buy FLAC then transcode to whatever you want.
That aside, I think the standard lossy format has been won by AAC (the new MP3), and of course the real MP3 which might die off. Opus is obviously superior but it feels a lot more niche. Just transcode
>>61600759
I'll sell you music in Opus.
>>61600972
fuck no it hasn't, aac sucks nuts
Because the majority of music listeners are not autistic retards who obsess over spectrographs and placebo bullshit. Bandwidth costs money, and if 99% of a music service's listeners are not said retards, they will not waste the money to pander to them.
>>61601020
Why do you think that? Are you talking at lower bit rates? For normal use I think it's fine, but opus is definitely better. I only use it because my car can't do Opus.
>>61600759
Opus is probably better for streaming services, which is where most consumers are headed anyway. Spotify (the most popular music streaming service) already uses Ogg Vorbis for all of their streaming [1], now they can switch to Opus and save billions on bandwidth per year without sacrificing quality.
[1]: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Spotify-use-the-relatively-obscure-Ogg-Vorbis-file-format
>>61600797
>>61600972
The only reason I see for someone technologically fluent to buy music in a lossy format is if you cannot buy it in a lossless format anywhere and lossy is the only version available. If a lossless version exists, it makes the most sense to buy that version since it's yours forever and you can always transcode it to any lossy format of your choice for listening.
>>61601020
>not qaac q127
Found the pleb
>>61601112
Ogg Vorbis and Opus are both great.
>>61601084
why? it supports drm
best lossless codec: flac
best lossy codecs, in order:
Opus (all bitrates, actually outperforms Vorbis)
Vorbis (~2x better compression than mp3 with almost 1/6 information loss down to like -q4)
mp3 (good when it was invented, dog shit now)
aac (supports drm, generally a universal compromise codec that excels at nothing)
>>61600797
>>61600972
With hope, it would promote Opus' standing and give AAC a FOSS competitor in the mainstream. I don't want free open source codecs to remain niche and obscure.
just buy it in flac and convert it if its that important to you
moron
>>61601224
FLAC is FOSS. You don't need anything else.
>>61601210
Thanks for the response. Quality wise I think it's good at normal bit rates. Same goes for MP3 (LAME).
>>61601153
>that quality True VBR
good choice
>>61601254
I find using lossless formats like FLAC for archival and lossy formats like Opus for listening to be the best for me. Music in Opus already sounds pretty much transparent to me at 192 kb/s and is a lot smaller to fit on my mobile device.
>>61601294
Meanwhile you could be listening straight to FLAC.
>>61601308
How? Not him but the only listening to music I do outside my home is in my car. My car only supports WMA, MP3 and AAC. I didn't fall for the smartphone meme but I am stuck with (oudated) apple gear so it looks like it's AAC only for me.
>>61601325
Every Android device supports FLAC.
>>61601308
Unnecessary. I can't tell the difference between Opus 192 kb/s and FLAC, and Opus files are 4x smaller than FLACs, which make the difference for my Android device. I can transcode the FLAC library to Opus for storage on my phone and afterward store the source FLACs on Amazon Glacier for long-term cold archival until I need to transcode again.
>>61601345
I'm too much of a poorfag
>>61601398
>too poor to spare $50
>>61601392
You already have flacs, why waste your time converting them. Space haven't been an issue for like 5 years already.
>>61601413
>why waste your time converting them
good compression gives me a boner
>>61601224
aac's established foss competitor is vorbis
>>61601266
aac is really crap because of the drm, but yeah it sounds okay. i will be the first to admit that my ears are not made of platinum and it takes some good gear and focus to distinguish a v0 from a -q10 vorbis. But since aac supports drm and its btfo by other formats imo it's a really poor choice
>>61601294
i agree completely, flac's true purpose is for keeping a perfect master copy you can transcode into whatever you want in the future to match whatever space constraints are at the time. if you have no space constraints then there's no reason not to use lossless for everything.
a general example regarding mp3 vs ogguser@host ~/m/B/This Binary Universe> du -sh 02\ Dynamic\ Symmetry.flac
64M 02 Dynamic Symmetry.flac
user@host ~/m/B/This Binary Universe> oggenc -q 4 02\ Dynamic\ Symmetry.flac
user@host ~/m/B/This Binary Universe> lame -h -V 0 02\ Dynamic\ Symmetry.flac
user@host ~/m/B/This Binary Universe> du -sh 02\ Dynamic\ Symmetry.ogg
11M 02 Dynamic Symmetry.ogg
user@host ~/m/B/This Binary Universe> du -sh 02\ Dynamic\ Symmetry.mp3
22M 02 Dynamic Symmetry.mp3
pic related is spectrals
top is flac
middle is Vorbis -q4
bottom is lame v0
as a reminder, the vorbis quality scale goes from 0-10
no aac spectrals because literally nothing supports it and aac-enc is a pile of shit
mp3 absolutely and irrevocably btfo
>>61601429
>nothing supports AAC
>>61601424
So you don't actually care about music. Whatever, man. But just think about - an average modern phone(64GB) can store almost a WEEK of FLAC playback. Just pick your favorite albums.
>>61601516
yeah better fill up all 64gb of that with only a subset of your music because we all know you carry your amp and your 320 ohm headphones around with you everywhere you fucking fat autist
-q6 vorbis is sufficient for the modern man
>>61601516
You seem to be ignoring how bloated Linux is. I'm 15.36GB down with nothing installed.
>>61601546
Better than wasting time on transcoding.
>>61600759
https://lovethroughcannibalism.bandcamp.com
there you go.
also >>>/mu/
>>61601666
>he doesnt know how to leave a transcode running overnight
>>61601730
This.
>>61601308
While the desktop Groove app for Windows 10 plays FLAC, you can't stream your local FLACs to the mobile Groove app from OneDrive. So I have to transcode the FLACs to AAC.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/groove/onedrive
Not that it would make sense to stream FLACs anyway.
>>61603071
FLAC streaming would be good for bluetooth because it's lossy. (some subband codec, etc)
>>61603890
Hopefully Wi-Fi Direct will take off soon and fix this whole thing for us.
>>61600759
Convert it to Opus then nigger
>>61601112
this guy knows whats up
nice job breaking it down
lossless for archival and just transcode to opus or what ever new format is out
>>61601112
I never thought I would say that, but
Based Spotify
>>61605626
Agreed.
Paving the way for us autists. :')
FUCK PANDORA!!!!
>>61605437
> transcode to opus
Why? It doesn't have better sound quality and has less compatibility. opus is sufficiently better only in applications that use low bandwidth streams.
>>61601210
Why is mp3 bad?
>>61605966
Poor performance for lower bitrates
Relatively large compared to other formats at similar quality
>>61601609
>linux
>bloated
>windows takes up way more space with a clean install
>>61600759
>buying music
lel
>>61606473
>This shit is going on YouTube
Probably a full music video is on the right recommended page as well
>1997
>buying music
Also,
>getting music in a lossy format only
>>61600759
Opus is for streaming voice, you faggot.
>>61607171
Opus is a multipurpose format. It's was literally designed as a successor to both Vorbis and Speex.
>>61607137
There is literally nothing wrong with buying music.
>buying music
>>61610137
What is wrong with buying music?
>>61601055
>bandwidth costs money
>opus has the best compression, meaning less bandwidth is needed
???
>>61612040
bandwidth shouldnt cost a cent is the problem with that
>>61601055
see
>>61613268
this goes equally for you
>>61612004
Nothing if you're buying physically. Everything if you're buying lossy encodes.