Intel Vets Challenge ‘Russia Hack’ Evidence

>>61567241
list of the VIPs members apparently

FOR THE STEERING GROUP, VETERAN INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS FOR SANITY

William Binney, former NSA Technical Director for World Geopolitical & Military Analysis; Co-founder of NSA’s Signals Intelligence Automation Research Center

Skip Folden, independent analyst, retired IBM Program Manager for Information Technology US (Associate VIPS)

Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan (associate VIPS)

Larry C Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

Michael S. Kearns, Air Force Intelligence Officer (Ret.), Master SERE Resistance to Interrogation Instructor

John Kiriakou, Former CIA Counterterrorism Officer and former Senior Investigator, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Linda Lewis, WMD preparedness policy analyst, USDA (ret.)

Lisa Ling, TSgt USAF (ret.) (associate VIPS)

Edward Loomis, Jr., former NSA Technical Director for the Office of Signals Processing

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former U.S. Army Infantry/Intelligence officer and CIA analyst

Elizabeth Murray, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East, CIA

Coleen Rowley, FBI Special Agent and former Minneapolis Division Legal Counsel (ret.)

Cian Westmoreland, former USAF Radio Frequency Transmission Systems Technician and Unmanned Aircraft Systems whistleblower (Associate VIPS)

Kirk Wiebe, former Senior Analyst, SIGINT Automation Research Center, NSA

Sarah G. Wilton, Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.); Commander, US Naval Reserve (ret.)

Ann Wright, U.S. Army Reserve Colonel (ret) and former U.S. Diplomat

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It's common knowledge that it wasn't the russians. Among those who aren't drinking the media lies, anyway.

clearly they were paid off by the russians

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>>61567241
>consortiumnews
>disobedientmedia
>theforensicator

>>61567476
https://www.rt.com/usa/397516-vips-memo-trump-hack/

think fox might've picked it up as well

I can post some of the evidence presented

>>61567241
>wondering if /g/ knows if this VIPS is actually legit
>Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
When the name is spun like the title of a fucking congressional bill you should be able to answer that question yourself.

>>61567488

>RT, literally a russian propaganda outlet
>fox
you're not helping your case

>>61567488
>RT
>Fox
You're actually going downhill there.

>>61567476
i mean expect any MSM sites to ever pick it up?

>>61567502
well they do list the members of this VIPs on the bottom at least >>61567246
i guess if one can confirm all of these people are real then we may have something

>>61567476
>>61567514
Genetic fallacy

>>61567509
>>61567514
I'm not going anywhere; you're in denial.

>>61567498

yes this mspaint comic truly supercedes the conclusive assessments of both the fbi and the cia

>>61567241
>Intel Vets Challenge ‘Russia Hack’ Evidence
Thought was some new strategy to beat AMD kek.

>>61567241
>Democrats, a party known for doing the exact opposite of what they say and being nutjob conspiracy theorists
>Thinking this was ever anything but just another one of their loony conspiracy theories.

>>61567541
Neither the FBI nor the CIA "conclusively assessed" that Russians "hacked the elections".

NYT or WaPo - can't remember which it was - already walked back the statement saying "17 intelligence agencies agree..."

And Crowdstrike, the company that "investigated" the DNC computers walked back on the allegations of Russian interference as well.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH

>>61567572
>log scale
>22.6*8 = 180.8 Mb/s
I get that speed for $70 bucks lol.

>>61567601
jesus.
the max my carrier offers is 45Mb/s

>>61567601
Notice they don't even see it's log and call it 80% of 1Gbps. My 1Gb does 110MB/s no problem.

>>61567618
Rural area? They go up to gigabit here but I don't need that speed.

>>61567601
Cool; you got that connection speed in Romania?

>>61567568

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/us/politics/cia-judgment-intelligence-russia-hacking-evidence.html

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

so I was wrong, it was in fact the CIA, the FBI, the DHS, the NSA, and the ODNI who all conclusively assessed that it was the Russians. and you've got mspaint comics as your retort. good job.

>>61567656
Eastern europe has good internet in a lot of places dude.

/g/ - Technology

is not

/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

>But "hackers" is technology!
This story is about Trump/the elections/Russians/the DNC/media coverage.

>>61567656
>it's unbelievable a top tier hacker would have pretty good but not amazing connection speed

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This guy hasn't even heard of Romanian internet before. Some "forensicator." He can't even use Google.

>>61567743
Who says that the server hosting the information even allows for such speeds besides lan? There is a huge difference and possible packet loss from a long distance such as this.

>>61567241
>>61567705
Fucking this

>>>/pol/ you have to go back


M O D S
O
D
S

>>61567865
I just downloaded 154GB from China at my max 180Mbps.

>>61567870
>I dont like the thread
then get out

>>61567870
i thought the OP was interesting
the continued posting was agenda ridden instead of objective though, so kill it

>>61567508
someone is well versed in russian memes with this Фeликc Эдмyeндoвич thing

>>61567743
MB/s ≠ Mbit/s

>>61567976
He's right that this is /pol/. It only became a bit of /g/ because of how technologically inept the conservatard shills were. But it's not news that they're not fact based.

>>61567989
i for one am glad about some technology discussion related to current events instead of the slew of screenfetch/rust/win vs linux threads that I always see here

>>61568008
And average != what a paid Russian hacker can buy.

>>61567241
What does Intel have to do with this? Are they going to get AMD involved too?

>>61567561
>what was the birther movement

>>61567241
>>61567476
>>61567488

/pol/ has to die.

>>61568027
>What does Intel have to do with this?
anything to stay relevant after the threadripper

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>>61568037
>/pol/

>>61568038
>he cares about memeripper
But an i9.

>>61568012
>technology discussion related to current events

This thread, so far:
>lol at OP's sources
>lol at various media outlets
>lol at MB vs Mb
>Romanian internet is fast, guys!

Where is the discussion about technology? There isn't any, because this story is primarily about politics. Where should politics threads go?

>>61568054
>selective filtering
>>61567508
>>61567572
>>61567601
>>61567618
>>61567627
>>61567633
>>61567656
>>61567691
>>61567743
>>61567912
>>61568008
>>61568012

>>61567476
Fuck off back to your containment board, cunty boy

Fuck off right wing retards.
/g/ has always been a left leaning board.

>>61568053
I don't need a space heater at the moment, maybe in late december

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/g/ used to be my home board now /pol/ is. wtf happened to you /g/ you used to be cool and now you're all hyper feminized banshees screaming about /pol/. there was nothing wrong with this thread until people started whining about /pol/

>>61568109

okay so go back there and never post here again

>>61568067
Half of those are "lol MB vs Mb". Any yes, the other half is not "lol Romanianet is fast", just "lol Europenet is fast".

You are proving my point.

But hey, if I am wrong and this thread IS about technology... then go ahead and enjoy it. I am going to minimize it and move on with my life.

>>61568054
It's occasionally nice to have a /pol/ thread as long as there are no /pol/tards in it. I remember when you could actually have a nice discussion on /b/. Now /b/'s long dead and /pol/ is nothing but "cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck."

>>61568133
>it's nice to talk politics as long as one side is only allowed to talk

this is what you said essentially.

>>61568109
Nice blog post, came here to post this.

>>61568158
Whether or not you intended it you just described /pol/ as well.

>>61568158
Why would I care about the opinions of people who simply confirm what they want to believe?

>>61568158

pretty sure what he meant was it's okay to have political discourse when the people involved aren't genuinely mentally handicapped

Fucking /pol/ needs to get off my board reeeeee

>>61568189
/pol/ is a diverse board full of many different viewpoints. liberals used to have meaningful discussion on marxism there but they went scorched earth and now dump blacked porn and 1 post threads.

>>61568223
Bullshit, they are there but then they get two hundred replies of "shillary" "she lost, get over it" "shariahblue."

Come on dude you are in an echo chamber, at least admit it.

>>61568223

>/pol/ is a diverse board
yes your members lie on virtually all possible points of the autism spectrum
>liberals are the ones dumping blacked porn
nice try

>>61568158
Being technically able to tell us your opinions doesn't mean they'd be welcome: that's just shitposting.

>>61567976
how about you get back to your containment board? The only reason this thread is up is because the mods are lazy bastards

>>61567241
>After examining metadata from the “Guccifer 2.0” July 5, 2016 intrusion into the DNC server, independent cyber investigators have concluded that an insider copied DNC data onto an external storage device
That's not new. Wikileaks said that they had an insider that physically got the data for them.

>>61568235
what do you expect when you say stupid shit like trying to create a false consensus and fuck drumpf fuck white people. sincere posts will get sincere replies.

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>>61568235
>>61568236
/pol/ is fine with political discussion with anyone as long as you don't scheme and plot against them in a private chat room like filthy jews. The thing that separates a lot /pol/ commies and libertarians from the ones on reddit and whatnot is that a majority hate jews. I hate them too.

Any opsec novice has known since shillary uttered 'muh 17 agencies' in that debate it was a load of shit. Any opsec novice knows that blatant 'russian prints' are planted. And any opsec novice knows that the US government pulls shit like this all the time.

>>61568287

no, they're fine with political discussion as long as it's all memes and shitposting.

>>61568267
Nigger who are you trying to convince me or you?

Seriously go try it and let me know how it goes. I consider myself a classic liberal and I browse /pol/ for shits and giggles every now then. I've posted and 99% of replies are cuck this and shill that. You guys are just as bad as the SJW's you harp on. If I said the sentence above I'd be hit with a a specific image macro and shitposting.

Wake up dude.

>>61568287
>anything I don't want to hear is a plot against me from a private chat room!
See
>>61568196

>>61568336
It was proven that Shareblue and raids from cripplechan were exactly that. We even infiltrated their discord servers. This is common knowledge at this point. Nothing is beyond our reach.

>>61568334
what type of stuff do you say and in what threads? half of pol is classical liberals or anarchist.

>>61568354
See
>>61568336

>>61568354
>oh no people shitposting
>everyone who disagrees with me is a cuck who secretly plots against "us"

Truly a place for meaningful discussion.

>>61568377
>>61568378
This was proven. It was all put out in the open, whether you fags like it or not.

>>61567241
KEK this is hilarious. It's ubiquitous that Russia was behind the hacking and you want to point to a few fringe citations that are not luculent.

>>61568424
See
>>61568196

So it's another episode of "cultist lefties invent lies and gets their pants caught on fire instead of offering any real opposition to Trump that proceeds to shit up everything unopposed"?

>>61568439
It's not opinion, it's fact.

I'm all leftist euro and shit but what's the big deal with those hacks, people mad for Russians releasing legit data?

>>61568452
See
>>61568196

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>>61568451
Yep. It's a damn shame.

>>61568455
Most of it was Wikileaks who released stuff. The accusation is that Russia worked some magic and gave a whole bunch of info to Wikileaks. Instead of getting mad at the DNC for being corrupt, they're lashing out at the people who exposed it. Blaming Russia is just convenient because a few dirty Jews want a war to line their pockets. It was actually Seth Rich who gave the info to Wikileaks and mysteriously ended up shot to death.

>>61568474
See pic related.

I am a liberal and this thread offends me

>>61568496
why?

>>61568455
That Russians were conspiring to get Trump elected. Pretty stupid that they did, though. Why do right wingers think other right wingers are their friends? They're literally too dumb to recognize that they all have an "us vs them" ideology and that anyone who isn't "me" can be turned into a "them" at the drop of a hat?
"Sure, let's just make a treaty with Hitler. I'm sure he won't invade! He said so!"

>>61568525
The problem here is that you believe in the hacks in the first place.

>>61568496
You're a whiny kid who boasts with strangers because we can't punch you in the face.

>>61568536
No you don't. You just need to listen to Putin's own words.

>>61568525

I understand that but everyone is mad not because of leaked data content but because of the way that data was obtained.

Sound wrong.

>>61568485

>unironically believes seth rich had anything to do with anything
and yet somehow democrats are the conspiracy theorists

Why does it even matter who did it?
In any sane democracy you would thank whoever exposes the wrongdoings of politicians.

>>61568601

who did it isn't the important part, it's why they did it. also, it's possible to be mad at both the hacking and the corruption that it exposed.

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>>61568596
>waaaah everything that the government doesn't spoon feed me is a CONSPIWACY THEWY!
If someone who was a witness to a crime who was going to testify in court was shot soon after, the police would investigate that. Your arguments are invalid.

>>61568619

you do realize the police *are* investigating his death, right?

>>61568619
>>61568660
>guy walks around drunk in a bad area
>gets shot

I though /pol/ knew what niggers were all about.

>m-muh JEWS BOOGAYMEN
>m-muh RUSSIANS BOOGAYMEN
Embarrassing.

>>61568660
So it's not a conspiracy theory. Are you not seeing the connection yet? Seth Rich dying just made it that much more obvious.

>>61568692
This makes the cover up more obvious. No casings or anything were found, so it was most likely done with a revolver or from inside a car.

>>61568787
>niggers can't own revolvers or shoot from cars or casings can't be lost

Odds are we won't ever know what truly happened you may be right, but you have to admit you're shilling a conspiracy theory because it conforms to your world view when common sense says he was just in a bad place at the wrong time.

Either way whatever happens I hope he gets justice, conspiracy or not.

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>>61568049

>>61567241

O'Keefe already posted videos of MSM journalists admitting the whole Russia thing is 100% bullshit and that they think your average news viewers is an imbecile. Millions have seen O'Keefe's videos, have you guys been living under a rock?

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Surprised you IT faggots haven't heard about Schultz and Awan

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>>61569989

>>61567743
Can confirm, The Internet in Romania is top-notch.

My computer is a toaster though.

DRIMPFTLETS BTFO!!!

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>>61568566
surely, you wouldnt mind pointing out which words in particular, would you?