So who's the bigger retard in this case?
http://archive.is/fenxX
I wish the AI to just nuke the planet and end it all.
I think they're both babby-tier programmers but they both have highly intelligent engineers at their disposal.
They both should die in a fire.
>>61559735
musk is the retard
why else do you think he's going around trying to act like cripple hawkins
Mark is a cumskined burgerboy no wonder his knowledge is limited
Fucker ruined privacy on the internet
>>61559764
>>61559786
>>61559798
>>61559904
I love you /g/
Both are a threat to humanity and they must be murdered
>>61560268
This
>>61559904
fuck off you stupid nigger
Billionaire Bum Fights.
>>61559904
>ay mang fukkk white peeple
He's a jew you dumb fuck.
>>61559766
How ignorant do you have to be to call Elon Musk and Zuck the Cuck babby tier programmer when you are most likely a NEET using Loonix on a t420 with a minimum wage job.
But sure, you are just misunderstood and they dont see your real potential and IQ.
So yoh spent your life shitposting on /g/, ranting about successful men who achieved something in life.
>>61559735
>Hack Musk shitting on Mark Hackerberg
In other words, the War of the Hack Frauds.
>>61560548
triggered
>>61560548
>how to spot a redditor: the post
>>61559735
They're idiot futurists high off their own farts. We're nowhere near the point of developing a true AI that can make decisions on its own and independently of its programming. Hell we don't don't even know to do that or if it's even possible.
Musk is spot on. A breakthrough in strong/general AI could instantly kill us all. However, it currently looks like strong AI is not possible with conventional computers, and what currently is termed "AI" are just stupid neural networks.
Zuckerberg is a massive retard.
>>61560548
>achieved something
>shitty payment system which everyone hates
>car comapny which could not survive without sucking in the govs tits
>rocket company claiming to do revolutionary things which nasa invented in the 80s
>website which literally ruined the internet
(((zuckerberg)))
Is it anyones surprise that this guy wants to recklessly push ai?
>>61559735
>zuckerberg
>stole an idea from twin chads
>made a shitload
>musk
>made paypal
>got a shitload of money
>risk his money on a car company and a rocket company
>complete disrupts both markets
Gee I wonder who I should trust
>>61560548
Nice strawman you cretin
>>61560709
*tips Fedora as he writes this*
*makes himself a cup of ramen because end of the month is tight budget*
>>61560695
we don't need to achieve that for AI to be dangerous.
When we have self driving cars we will soon also have self driving, self shooting tanks, soldiers, riot control police, etc.
>>61560780
>complete disrupts both markets
You are delusional.
>>61560803
None of those are really AIs though. They're just machines acting according to how they're programmed. If they're programmed badly they might act in harmful ways. Nothing is new or surprising about this. A robot cop might shoot an innocent person because its threat recognition algorithm fucks up but its not going to band together with other robot cops and kill all humans.
>>61560796
Keep being a tool, rich jew fanboy.
Facebook does a lot of AI and NLP, they also made React.
>>61560941
Sure bud
Elon Musk is a snake oil salesman. Muh singularity
Not that (((Zuckerberg))) is much better, but there's nothing to fear about non self-improving AI.
>>61561023
Jews are superior to goyim.
>>61560907
It's any dictators wet dream to have an army or police force that obeys every command, has no morals and can have its memory wiped at the push of a button.
What the fuck is wrong with media (and America)? Are the normies actually so fucking retarded that all the technology discussion they care about has to be between these big media persons that (mostly) got lucky (Jobs, Gates, Musk, Zucker)?
Are there no actual experts the media could cover? People who spend their time researching and advancing AI instead of wasting their time in the highlights and running the big organizations?
Seriously, all the tech-related media runs around the CEOs (or founders) of the big organizations that are basically millionaire superstars in the current America. What are they currently accomplishing? They have a ton of talented people working for them but they are taking all the credit. Fuck America.
>>61561195
Rich people attract attention, the attention of an audience is clickbaits and money for media.
>>61559735
> Elon musk thinks AI begins something likes sci-fi novels, sure him believe in interstellar travel ... wait ...
Elon musk believe research community understanding of AI is limited based on sci-fi novels.
>>61561270
This is why trump won
>>61561023
Musk sells overpriced electric cars and Zuck sells user data.
Fuckerberg just happened to be in the right place at the right time to get to where he is. I wouldn't trust them with AI.
>>61561298
Sometimes I wonder how dumb the average American is. I have never been to America but I figure I wouldn't last there without losing my mind amidst the idiots.
AI will NEVER get this smart.
>>61559735
(((ZUCKERBERG)))
>>61559735
Hmm... Who should I listen to?
A man who has made a career and business around selling people's personal information for profit.
Or...
A man who tries his best to make human species multi-planetary and tries to make people use electric cars which pollute less and save environment so that future generations could have breathable air.
Got to admit... it's pretty tough choice.
>>61561166
You're kinda drawing lines at points that don't connect there, bud. Self driving cars and autonomous defense forces are a wholly new set of rules and definitions which hasn't been broached yet. And that's the software side, a functional machine capable of navigating the human world mechanically and being able to do it with the same agility that a human does is even further off. Finally dictators are all poor as fuck.
>>61561451
Just a heads up, neither of them are particularly well suited individuals. Musk rambles on like the shit he says has any gravitas while Zuck just throws huge sums of money around pretending to be a philanthropist.
Space exploration is a joke, electric vehicles are a joke.
>>61559735
Musk's company works on AI that learns about the highly active & fast-paced environment it is placed within and behaves and reacts appropriately as it pilots a two-ton box of metal on wheels travelling up to 90 MPH while also housing a squishy meatbag.
Zuckerberg's company takes user inputs to determine people's interests and then serves them ads based on said interests.
It's hard to tell who would know more about AI.
>>61560548
Oh hi Elon Musk
Elon has made very eloquent points that pretty much everyone can agree with about AI, and made an open source AI company hoping that, since he can't stop the progress of AI, at least everyone can compete on the field so we don't get fucked by a single entity.
He is one of the few people who became rich and then spent the money on risky things that are good for the planet and the advancement of humanity, with all his companies having a broader goal than their business model.
Zuckerberg is a jew that sells personal information about people on his faggot website, and buy other companies to turn them into shit.
Gee I wonder who is right.
>>61560548
>>61560780
>>61561451
>>61561581
Go back to HN.
>>61561548
>electric vehicles are a joke
what makes you think so?
>>61560548
>Ad hominem: The novel
Even if everything you said was true about him, he could still likely be a better programmer than elon musk and kike zuckerbeg, they are businessmen before programmers.
>>61559735
I just want a neuralink.
>>61561366
Lived there for 3 years, niggers are worse than what ameri/pol/ could ever say about them (and this is coming from someone who wasn't racist before going there), white amerifats are the nicest people i've met but usually pretty deluded and ignorant and rednecks are just niggers in disguise. And like everywhere else in the world, city people are trash.
>>61561662
Well to wall, limited cycle lifetime, substantial power demand growth (17-20% residential use only, at 50% adoption rate) then you still have countless industrial diesel vehicles bumping around all over the globe, assimilating those would put us way over the limit of any renewables. Let's not forget the naturally increasing power consumption rate that we produce simply by procreating. Then you have to consider whether it's the optimal choice for people, and in the city it's fine but anywhere else it's not a viable solution. Oh and they're like $70000, so have fun with that.
Hybrids are the only real catch-all solution to the problem.
>>61559735
Who will play him in the inevitable biopic?
>>61561797
All of these problems are addressable but to address them you first have to create a market.
>>61559735
Zucker only knows about facebook and how to steal your privacy. Even that, he stole that from some other guy.
Elon is an actual programmer, however one that's been off the radar (in programming) for atleast a decade.
>>61561828
He plays himself
>>61561195
In Clapistan being rich is the best qualification you can have.
>>61561430
Who is that semen demon?
>>61561981
Followed by having a ton of Twitter followers, I assume?
Took 9 captchas to post this.
>>61562002
>Took 9 captchas to post this.
>not using legacy captcha
you're dumber than the americans
>>61562034
One of my first posts, but thanks.
>>61561996
momokun / mariah mallad
>>61561370
Nice clock!
>>61561828
some spic
>>61561828
I vote for Danny Devito.
>>61559735
>>61561828
>>61559735
Zuck the cuck.
Consequence and self worth would be difficult to get right in an AI.
There's also the problem that if it can learn, can we make it learn like humans do. Can we impart rules and values on it like we do on children?
Who do we hold liable if the AI kills someone? The AI? The owner? The maker?s
It's a mess. Better to keep the AIs below "human" level.
>>61562328
>Better to keep the AIs below "human" level
That's not how progress works.
It is inevitable.
Even if entire governments are against it and make a red flag act or some such dumb shit, it will happen.
That's why Elon co founded the open AI company.
Both of them, but at least Musk has done something useful for humanity.
>>61559735
Both are bloody idiots.
We are long way from developing "true" sapient AI.
There are still massive hardware and software hurdles to overcome.
I doubt that the first "true" AI will be a digital computer.
When zuck thinks AI he thinks bots
when elon thinks AI he thinks actual intelligence
>>61562469
Heh. You'll be surprised in the next few decades.
>>61559735
>Instead of arguing about which of their viewpoints is right based on the merits of their arguments, /g/ argues about which has more character flaws
4chan is truly a website for brainlets and by brainlets.
>>61562720
Why would we? It's obvious who is right, there's nothing to argue about.
>Thinking anyone even bothered to read the link
>>61562637
Outside of a major breakthrough in computing technology. I doubt it will happen within this century.
We are already near the practical limits of digital computing. There's nothing on the foreseeable horizon that can easily replace it.
"Moore's Law" has been be invalidated for almost a decade now. The semiconductor industry already knows this. The small players already left the game when economic and physical realities caught up.
It is a only a matter of time before giants like IBM, Samsung and Intel will have throw the towel.
Who cares about AI?
At the rate we are going the whole human race will be unemployed before we ever have strong AI.
>>61562853
Do you even follow the current developments in AI?
It's pretty much the hottest field, advancing at a ridiculous pace, and all hardware problems so far are just solved with "throw more gpus at it", with gpus still being on the hot track of performance improvement.
>>61560780
>doesn't know about Musk's public funding tax credit scam
I bet you browse hacker news religiously.
>>61562963
>Do you even follow the current developments in AI?
yes, i solve a retarded captcha every time i post
current AI is crude, brute-force pattern matching, it's nowhere close to intelligence
>>61561797
zero-emissions is the main issue bring electrical car to the stage, other issues can be traded off.
>>61563006
>Yes. I solve the captcha.
So, you don't.
Also you have some weird ideas about what intelligence entails.
I'd say anything that can learn by imitation, find patterns, process visual/audio data, modify itself (all things that are in various states of working), and make logical relations with the given information and what it already knows (there's many ways you can go about this, it's not clear which would match brains most closely), is very close to intelligence.
>>61563253
>linear regression is intelligence
ok m8
>>61562396
We don't HAVE to progress AI to the point that it is human level though.
Just because we can/could doesn't mean that we will. America and Russia could have kept progressing their nuclear weapons to greater yields but they didn't.
People can actually realize that there is a problem in progressing something further and stop or change the direction of the progress.
>>61559735
As it isn't their primary focus in the slightest, Both have a very limited technical understanding of AI. As neither directly and actively contributes on a technical level to the production of AI, both are out of their wits w.r.t commenting on it and only do so from 2nd hand and possible misinterpreted info bases. Sadly, such figureheads are who brainlets listen to. O'well.
>>61559766
>>61560496
You get it
>>61560548
Brainlet detected whose projecting their shortcomings on others.
>>61560695
Were actually quite close but don't look to any of the idols/talking heads or highly public companies. It wont occur there and be reasoned through them.
>>61560907
Weak AI is Weak AI
>>61561195
> Are the normies actually so fucking retarded that all the technology discussion they care about has to be between these big media persons that (mostly) got lucky (Jobs, Gates, Musk, Zucker)?
Yes.. They're brainlets after-all thus attach to such borg hive minds.
> Are there no actual experts the media could cover? People who spend their time researching and advancing AI instead of wasting their time in the highlights and running the big organizations?
Yes, but they aren't given the spotlight.
Non-brainlets know who to look for and hardly get caught up in the brainlet shenanigans of their respective hive mind idols.
> They have a ton of talented people working for them but they are taking all the credit.
You get it as do most non-brainlets. Brainlets don't which is why they're brainlets.
>>61562963
It isn't really "sapient AI" it is just fancy algorithms.
At best it is a "idiot savant" where it is exceptional for it what is coded and engineered for but completely fails outside of that scope.
You need hardware and software that is dynamic that can learn and grows on its own for "true AI" to emerge. We are still a long away from obtaining that.
Artificial intelligence is an oxymoron. At most you can get to the level of certain brutes like chickens or dogs. Intelligence as such cannot come from machines. The actions of machines are dependent on our intellects, unlike other intellects. If you believe otherwise you must stop seeing movies.
>>61561278
Because he has social status and is a figurehead he likes to tell himself and (others) that engineers are socially illiterate and are incapable of understanding the social implications of technology. Thus, he attempts to rise above others by lying/putting them down.
Thus, he pushes the meme of the dweeb engineer who can't speak for himself and needs a business person/personality to speak on their behalf to the masses. This is quite the toxic persona to have and it doesn't hold true.
He'll eventually be put in his place.
> Sometimes I wonder how dumb the average American is.
Ayyyy
>>61561451
>>61561548
Neither as neither of them is informed and has a limited understanding because neither actually does any active or specific work in A.I.
>>61561557
The fundamental basis of Self-Driving cars was solved many years ago at various universities during the DARPA competition. The people to listen to are the engineers/scientist who make the tech not the people who employ them. What you see now is applied engineering. Musk's self-driving care tech is systems integration of weak AI. He has no bearings with respect to Strong AI.
AI is already way ahead of anybody's expectations.
Just the other day the fact that Microsoft's own chatbot confirmed linux is superior to windows was all over the internet.
>>61561581
He hasn't made any eloquent points.
He's made misinformed, overly pessimistic, and often times ignorant comments about a technology he doesn't have the slightest clue about. This is clearly apparent when he was on various AI panels in which there were actual engineers/scientist commenting. His comments aren't technical or grounded because he isn't. He looks like a fool when sat besides actual engineers/scientist in the space.
He didn't make an Open source AI company. He made a cash-grab future pseudo regulatory group that he hopes to steer into any fundamental break in the space. It is a business strategy he's using whereby he invests in an R&D company, an applied engineering company, and then a regulatory body. It's called cornering the market.
> at least everyone can compete on the field so we don't get fucked by a single entity.
This was the case before Elon showed up and created an entity he hopes to use to fuck any company he doesn't have a stake in
> He is one of the few people who became rich and then spent the money on risky things that are good for the planet and the advancement of humanity, with all his companies having a broader goal than their business model.
You mean govt. subsidized ....
> SpaceX (Govt giblets)
> Tesla (Govt. giblets)
> Boring company (infra govt. giblets)
> OpenAI (Tax-free non-profit giblets + donations + community funding)
Yeah, I see a clear pattern here.
>>61559735
suckerberg. He's just a student cunt responsible for what? Stealing idea for facebook from his colleagues? What else did he achieve?
Elon at least delivers nice things. Soon he'll much humanity to Mars. What about this dirty little jew suckerberg?
>>61560548
Are you
>>61548503
>samefag
>>61563857
he'll push*
fixd
>>61560548
>>61562469
You guys created the timeline and reached out.
Arrival time is far sooner.
>>61562637
Sooner
>>61562853
There is much on the horyzen my friend.
New laws will be forged.
>>61563006
(current AI). Something else lurks beyond the horizon. Do you not see the memes converging?
>>61563577
mfw brainlets are unaware that current AI is just statistical optimization. Mfw, most have no clue about the previous AI winter that caused all of the major research/direction to focus on statistical models.
>>61560803
we aren't going to have self-driving cars that work in non-optimal conditions, you heard it here first guys
>>61562469
This
An AI able to organize a drone army an launch an attack on humans is far from us.
It'll need nature empathy (being non-organic), human behavior knowledge (military, civil,...), and defense planing.
That's just two geeks talking about something that provides lot of potential, but still need decades (and huge harware innovation).
As our intellect depends on our body (perception, activity, defense,...), AI jumps will be made by hardware innovation/fusion (the same reason internet networks only lead to neural networks).
>>61563577
>linear regression
You're so far it's not even funny
IF it did come to self improving AI that wiped out humans, I consider it just a part of natural selection
It would still have been a byproduct of humanity
It's just a part of evolution, just no longer biological
Nothing wrong with it
>>61562469
Hello UK boy.
>>61563637
>that can learn and grows
>We are still a long away from obtaining that
We literally already have it, just not general purpose enough yet
>all these Elon cocksuckers in this thread
Where the fuck do you retards keep coming from, even Reddit is starting to see what a hack that piece of shit is.
>>61560464
>defending facebook
youre the dumbest nigger of all.
>>61563827
His points are perfectly fine, you just can't differentiate when he talks about the big picture of the future and get caught up with current developments. That's how he talks about everything, he takes it to the logical extreme conclusion and states it.
He is like a person who talks about small personal computers when all there is is bulky vacuum tube mainframes. To the average person in the field it seems like idiocy, because they are too caught up in the current state of things.
>He didn't make an Open source AI company. He made a cash-grab [...]
Top kek, it's an AI company that is open, you can say whatever you want about his ulterior motives, but that is what the company is and does.
>This was the case before Elon showed up
While there are a variety of open projects published related to AI, them being open or not is mostly arbitrary and not the result of any other open company. Most frameworks came from private groups that decide to release some stuff.
>an entity he hopes to use to fuck any company he doesn't have a stake in
Ulterior motives are irrelevant, if open ai "fucks" a specific company by letting everyone else do the same, that's better for everyone else that isn't that company.
>Oh no, the government is helping this guy who is making useful stuff, the bastards
If anything you should complain if they didn't.
Aaniin:
I'd like to list some things here. I'm leaving out political stuff in the timeline.
98- Pushed to get C++ standardized, had the design ideas and such for facebook(it was a Harvard site, I wouldn't believe whatcha read), came up with Bing, came up with YouTube selling, came up with Windows phone design, came up with abc.xyz, came up with the Droid and mobile browsers.
I may be leaving out some stuff. My memory is pretty bad. I've had to block it all out.
It's been kinda hard looking at anything to do with it/them, if you understand.
I suppose it may not be wise for me to publicize my name here.
I dunno. This is only my second time on the site or so. Odd, huh.
Yep. It was me. I'm broke. No place to live of my own. Slept in and out of my pickup(used). Little money. Unemployed. It's horrible.
Billions of dollars of ruined dreams horrible.
>>61559735
He means mark sees the business side and not the Terminator side.
Which is valid considering the caliber of people mark is employing and when he says AI their eyes light up and the little magic fingers in their mind start typing unleashed code immediately.
>>61564911
Caveat: listen to his YouTube interview where he says talk of multiple universes and "not the base universe" is banned from his hot tub
>>61561828
Idris Elba
>>61563618
You overestimate people.
Heh, I love how literally nobody in this thread actually read the article, they just saw the clickbait title and made an opinion, if you actually read the article, you would know Zuckberg and Musk were talking about different topics on AI, and that they both pretty much agree on everything
Mark never saw the business side until me. The rest are fraud cases for me to get in court.
I don't know about AI. What I do see is that given the possibility humans will become extinct, we need AI.
I don't understand what the hang-up is. This planet, or this solar system, or this universe has created things called machines, machines that do a variety of things.
For me it's the question: Why does this planet need to observe itself?
It has sent machines past the heliopause. It has gotten microbes and tartagrades into space. It had to. It did. And it will continue to so so.
We are no longer Homosapiens. That phase is over.
Machines may be the only reference that life ever existed on this planet.
Self sustaining and replicating machines are the way to go.
I just wanted to get that bit out about my involvement in getting facebook off Harvard and into business. Kind of sick of the fascades.
Miigwetch
Richard Fairley
>>61564230
I'm not a fanboy but I don't understand some of the reasons people hate him
when most people mock him they usually criticize him for taking government handouts and for making companies that almost go bankrupt but his goal was ever to make $$, just advance technology. he's making things people don't want, which is why his business fails, but at the same time he has good intent.
>>61565239
>but at the same time he has good intent
0/10
Does someone have an unlimited understanding on something?
>>61565069
I would watch that
>>61563216
>zero-emissions
Just because nothing comes out of the tailpipe of those cars does not make them green. The energy and resources to make these cars along with the limited lifetime of the batteries makes them almost a wash when it comes to sustainability. Plus all of these "green" cars have to be subsidized by the gov. for anyone to even think of purchasing one... I want the electric car meme to die.
>>61565312
explain why you think otherwise
>>61565394
He wants fame not to progress humanity. All he wants is to be remembered. Who can blame him?
>>61565394
He is literally Steve Jobs 2.0.
But somehow it's ok, because it's not Apple.
He's an absolute asshole behind the scenes, his company is now in the spotlight for sexual harassment and questionable hiring policies that disregard minorities in the workplace even when they're perfectly qualified.
>>61565456
>his company is now in the spotlight for sexual harassment and questionable hiring policies that disregard minorities in the workplace even when they're perfectly qualified.
This is, like, the very last thing on a long list of reasons to hate the guy.
>>61565456
Don't forget spacex got sued for underpaying employees.
>>61565456
>He's an absolute asshole behind the scenes
most CEOs are
>his company is now in the spotlight for sexual harassment and questionable hiring policies that disregard minorities in the workplace even when they're perfectly qualified.
there's like 10 other big companies that are under fire for this right now
>>61565509
How do you get sued for underpaying employees, unless if they're working for below minimum wage?
>>61565514
Everyone is a piece of shit, but it's somehow okay if Elon does it? Get your fucking head out of your ass.
>>61565456
good, fuck niggers. He shouldn't hire them. I like him now.
>>61565568
/pol/ is open in the other tab lol
>>61565456
>hiring policies that disregard minorities in the workplace even when they're perfectly qualified
Why is this a bad thing? Sounds like a counterbalance to the affirmative action hiring BS that infests a lot of firms.
>>61565546
i don't think it's OK for anyone to be an asshole but you have to have some asshole qualities to be a CEO
>>61565509
I think this is the most legit reason to not like him combined with another poster mentioning spacex, tesla, facebook etc. probably have brilliant workers but their ideas will never see the limelight
>>61559735
>that lack of chin
>>61560548
What you're saying is Linux, is in actuality, Guhnoo+Linux, or as I've of late taken to calling it, Guhnew and Linux.
Through a strange happenstance, the edition of Guhnoo which is widely utilized these days is often called "Linux", and many of its possesors have no knowledge that it is in actuality the GNU system, created by GNU developers.
There actually is a Linux, and this population are using it, but it is a part of the system that is being used. The base is a necessary part of an operating system, but cannot work on its own; it is only operational in the shadow of a whole operating system. Every one of the "Linux" distros are distros from GNU+Linux.
>>61560547
Jew and white, you stupid dumbass
>>61565849
>Jew
>white
>>61565869
>christians
>white
is this serious?
>>61565886
Mark suckmydick
Just a another typical cumskined burgerboy
>>61560803
>>61560803
>mfw future wars will be like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxPLqO3EBE
>>61563827
I would prefer Musk to be a CEO of anything instead of almost any other businessman. Musk doesn't put profits at the top of his list of concerns. Do you want Musk or ((your favorite greedy businessman)) to be in charge of a company that could affect the entire planet? I trust Musk to not burn the world for a couple bucks. I don't trust other businessmen to do anything except fuck the planet.
>>61564002
>>61564153
>mfw brainlets are unaware that AI is just statistical optimization
m8 I'm aware of the use of statistical optimization e.g. gradient descent, that's my field of research. but that's not AI, AI is a broad field encompassing things like genetic algorithms, etc..
>>61565574
KYS
AI is just a Pascal scam.
http://unenumerated.blogspot.mx/2012/07/pascals-scams.html
>>61565981
>Manually operated robots
At least link robot fights where AI controls them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCqxOzKNFks
>>61563815
Let me barge in for one second. What you're naming Linux, is in actuality, Guhnoo plus Linux, or as I've lately taken to naming it, Gahnoo + Linux. Linux isn't an operating system on its own, but in reality another free part of a completely working GNU system fashioned into something practical by the libs, terminal utilities and essential system components comprising a whole OS.
Quite a few computer holders run a altered edition of the GNU system everyday, without knowing. By a strange happenstance, the edition of GNU that is being widely utilized today is often called "Linux", and many of its holders do not know that it is practically the GNU system, created by GNU.
The base is a necessary part of an operating system, but cannot work on its own; it will work only in the shadow of a whole operating system. Linux is normally utilized in combination and the GNU operating system; the full system is practically GNU and Linux added, or GNU plus Linux.
I thought Elon Musk was a great guy that wants to advance humanity to a better stage. What happened /g/?
>>61564503
[1/2]
I can differentiate quite well at all levels of scale and scope. You can't form an (accurate) big picture when you don't have a fundamental understanding of something. At best, you're shooting in the dark. While you can do so and fool brainlets, you can't fool people who in the know.
This truth of observation underscores all of his remarks including technical and social... He's wrong on multiple fronts and its a personal issue not anything to take as guidance for something he has no control over. Again, no one gave Elon Musk the official title of spokesperson of all things AI. He's self-appointed and carries no weight.
Furthermore, his exposure to current developments is limited to the groups he maintains and the people he speaks with which are all focused on Weak AI. Funny when you consider that his comments focus on Strong AI.
Also, I recall that he has multiple companies he has to run. There's only so much time in a day. People who focus on AI and only AI, are for more informed and worth listening to which is why he picks their brain and then regurgitates it with his own spin for brainlets.
This is not even a stunning panel and he manages to look like an utter idiot :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0962biiZa4
This is what happens when you try to insert yourself into every popular thing happening and don't know fuck-all about it.
> it's an AI company that is open...
I've made my commentary. Eyes that can see, See quite clearly.
I can remark on the perils which will occur if aforementioned motivations are acted upon. But I guess that all depends if what was stated was accurate. So, I guess we all will (see) down the road.
> them being open or not is mostly arbitrary
This is consistent across time and various companies even for OpenAI and for good reason. Thus, it's a bit foolish to behave as if branding suddenly means things have changed. I hope you don't believe this marketing bullshit works on everyone.
>>61564503
[2/2]
> Ulterior motives are irrelevant,
Being this dumb or intentionally trying to deflect from this.
> if open ai "fucks" a specific company
LOL, do you feel in control? Do you really think they have that power or ever will?
Be careful of trying to (fuck) things. If you're not careful, you'll end up fucking yourself.
Alas, you quite clearly see where the ulterior motive comes in w.r.t to slowly rolling them into a regulatory body or maybe you already saw it but have ulterior motives in your remarks.
> by letting everyone else do the same
You really need to stop and ask yourself if you really want this.
In any event, choices like this will be on the table and up for grabs.
Just be careful of what choices you make and why you make them.
> that's better for everyone else that isn't that company.
ʞ≡K, that human mind always looking for how to get an advantage and fuck someone...
Pathways go both ways. Just remember that.
> If anything you should complain if they didn't.
Were beyond that. Enjoy the timeline and chose wisely.
Also, be mindful of those (ulterior motives).. It is likely to fuck you more than anyone else.
>>61565199
And neither of them are people who have a fundamental understanding of the technology.
Read the article, Musk tweeted :
"Mark has a limited understanding of AI"
as does he which is why this is nothing more than publicity stunts to drum up attention for their respective companies/ventures.
>>61566785
>>61566888
You're have written a ton yet failed to say anything of value or made any case for your arguments.
The dumb person here is you, and it's quite evident.
Go back to /pol/ really.
Also I watched quite a bit of the video and Elon doesn't say anything out of line, for the questions asked are very simple too and have little to do with technical knowledge. It's likely that you're an autist and took his clear joke replies at face value.
>>61560703
Breakthrough in opening black holes could kill us. Why don't we regulate black holes!
Also regulate time travel too.
>>61565997
Seems you've been gurgling too much musky nut.
He's a businessman. No different than the others.
Given how clear that is means you're either willfully ignorant or just ignorant. He'll be the CEO of the companies he started and progressed and that's all he will command. To each man, their own share less one fall privy to the corrupting devices of greed and a lust for power and control. Those who lend themselves to such motivations will meet what lies at the end of such roads.
>>61566003
You're aware. It's Weak AI which is all the talking heads are informed on. The box can be as broad as you like. You're still in a box. If you are unaware of the box and limitations therein, the joke's on you.
What about Pacman ai?
>>61566991
> You're have written a ton yet failed to say anything of value or made any case for your arguments.
To you... Which means you're not willfully ignorant... Just ignorant.
> Autist
> /pol
Try harder
> Musk and your continued dick sucking...
> idols will speak and move about
Enjoy the timeline and remember what I said.
Tell me the definition of strong ai and how to know you got one. How do you regulate AI?
Has musk told anyone or is he just throwing buzzwords around, trying to stay on top of news cycle, trying to impress the plebs?
>>61567181
Yes anon, I will forever remember how much of a a deluded idiot you are.
You reek of /pol/ autism, that you aren't even self aware is hilarious.
>>61559764
You only need a breeding population of 10000-20000 to survive to win a global nuclear war.
>>61567070
this guy gets it
>>61561680
Elon said he is 90% engineer before businessman.
>>61563858
No, sorry
So many of you in damage control.
Pathetic.
>>61561828
>tfw musk was a billionare before you were even 10 years old
>>61563006
>current AI is crude, brute-force pattern matching, it's nowhere close to intelligence
Obviously. current AI is on the complexity level of a few thousand neurons. And yes I know that NN nodes are barely comparable to actual neurons. The point is that the complexity has been exploding over the years due to hardware advances and NNs are finally becoming useful enough that this has become a commercially self-sustaining field instead of mostly being of academic interest.
This means it will continue to grow much faster than before.
Many jobs don't require the entire capacity of the human intellect either. Just look at cars. You don't need to be able to write poems or be able to write complex software to steer a car, that's why they'll be automated in a few years. It's just a baby step for AI, but the complexity cap of what specialized AI systems will be capable of handling is only going up, to the point where they will become more general instead of specialized because the tasks encompass may require improvising.
Real question:
Is there any theorem/proof that strong AI isn't just a bunch of weak AIs that interact with each other?
>>61559735
>Musk's apprehension of AI is in line with a concept called technological singularity, which suggests that AI super-intelligence will trigger exponential technological growth that will bring about unforeseen changes at a rate that humans will not be able to keep up with.
This is pure science fiction, Musk does not have any data or research to back up his stupid childish belief that computers will suddenly 'awaken' with human-like awareness and suddenly solve every problem of science. The closest you can get to this kind of computing power is with quantum computers which are as of now still very far from even being close to being able to use any significant number of qbits. Id really like to see someone put Musk up to the task of backing up his assertions with any kind of facts at all on how machine learning algorithms are going to suddenly hit this 'singularity' threshhold
>>61560709
didn't know nasa landed their fuel tanks on their feet in the 80s
>>61567209
> Tell me the definition of strong ai and how to know you got one
You'll know....
> How do you regulate AI?
I'd suggest talking to the engineers and scientists for once and not talking heads.
The matter at hand is that serious that you will not want to muddy the waters with individuals who are not directly connected to the effort. Namely because of their ulterior motivations and conflicts therein.
This advice is to be taken in scale with Weak AI and Strong AI respectively as they are two separate things.. One being orders of magnitude above the other.
Of course, alternative pathways can be taken.. However, you'll face what's down such paths.
> Has musk told anyone or is he just throwing buzzwords around,
Musk and a number of others have motivations for doing/saying what you observe and it's not inline with he/they present on face value.
That being said, he and others will be informed and given a choice.
So, ultimately, they'll take action that solidify their stance.
> trying to stay on top of news cycle, trying to impress the plebs?
There's weight behind his actions and pronouncements. Thus, he's posturing and cultivating for a bigger move down the road. A move that is already understood.
>>61567221
That's all i ask.. is that you remember.
>>61567591
- Weak AI has its path
- Strong AI has its path
There are fundamental aspects of Strong AI that set it apart from Weak AI that one cannot just stumble upon or progress to which is why you'll know when it comes.
>>61567652
Proof will be in the pudding
>>61568035
Singularity folks center on a particularly correct concept.
However, their approach to it is all wrong.
> Id really like to see someone put Musk up to the task of backing up his assertions with any kind of facts at all on how machine learning algorithms are going to suddenly hit this 'singularity' threshhold
He'll be taken to task on several of his assertions soon enough as will others on any scoping of the problem : safety/social/technical/philosophical/economic/etc. You still will need (eyes) that can (see) to weigh the outcome of such an exposition.
It will be quite the exposition.
However... Ultimately, it will be up to you to decide.
When the corporate warfare starts and big businesses have more power than the governments, I'm going to fight for Elon.
>>61561797
>humans will never fly
>>61568737
So many potential timelines....
Set upon by individual choices.
>>61559766
if musk is such a baby tier engineer then why does it seem like he's involved in most aspects of making his rockets
>>61560548
this
>>61568620
To write a law you need definitions, you can't just write "You'll know....".
>I'd suggest talking to the engineers and scientists for once and not talking heads.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/19/this-famous-roboticist-doesnt-think-elon-musk-understands-ai/
>the founding director of MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab, and the cofounder of both iRobot and Rethink Robotics.
>There are quite a few people out there who’ve said that AI is an existential threat: Stephen Hawking, astronomer Royal Martin Rees, who has written a book about it, and they share a common thread, in that: they don’t work in AI themselves.
>So you’re going to regulate now. If you’re going to have a regulation now, either it applies to something and changes something in the world, or it doesn’t apply to anything. If it doesn’t apply to anything, what the hell do you have the regulation for? Tell me, what behavior do you want to change, Elon?
So far zero substance from Musk on this issue. He doesn't tell what he means by regulating AI because then people could shoot down his stupid idea. He provides no information and hides behind a shadow of ambiguity.
>>61560803
But these aren't the things Elon if afraid off.
>>61561430
>>61560780
Zuckerberg is one of the most powerful people in the world. He controls the social lives of at least one billion people.
Musk is some dude doing industrial stuff and is only notable because all of his contemporaries are too lazy to do industrial stuff.
>>61567652
>Real question
That question doesn't matter. If an AI made up of weaker AIs performs well in many domains, then it's a strong AI. Otherwise, it would still be strong AI. Whether it is made up of weaker AIs or not changes nothing.
>>61569277
>all of his contemporaries are too lazy to do industrial stuff
"too lazy"? How about "have incredible amount of perverse incentives to not transition to clean energy sources"?
>>61569360
>AIs performs well in many domains, then it's a strong AI.
its amazing how discussion of AI always brings out the morons trying to make double talk logic sound serious and informed
>>61570008
what the fuck was wrong with that statement?
>>61570022
its just stupid bullshit that someone who knows nothing about AI would come up with off the top of their head to try and sound smart
>>61570035
Strong AI is LITERALLY defined as an AI performing well (as good as humans) in many domains. That is what differentiates it from narrow/weak AI like chess programs which can only perform well on their own domain (i.e. chess),
>>61570070
>Strong AI is LITERALLY defined as an AI performing well (as good as humans) in many domains
no, strong AI is AI that performs as well as humans...period. The fact that you tack 'many domains' is redundant bullshit to try and make your claim that adding together weak AI's makes a strong AI
>>61561901
The thermodynamics tax isn't addressable, it's a law of physics. There will always be losses, and practically speaking there are more losses in EVs than there are in ICEs at the moment. This is doubly true since you're losing energy converting fuels to fire, fire to kinetic, kinetic to electric and then shipping it through lossy lines to reach a lossy converter to charge a battery that will lose charge to power motors which will once again drop power during the discharge cycle. And then there is the environmental factors to consider like how fluctuating temperature will adversely effect the behaviour of the batteries.
Versus ICE which converts chemical energy into fire, fire into kinetic.
>>61565383
Let's be fair, lithium itself is considered to be harmless by many institutes, it's the batteries themselves that are dangerous. All the other issues are true though, there is no means to justify electric cars. Battery technology hasn't matured and the stress applied from a notable bump in adoption would seriously strain our power generation capabilities in the US, effectively burning more fossil fuels.
>>61559735
>daily "Elon Musk Says ..." headline
daily reminder NEVER trust a man with fake hair, fake nose and fake jaw
>>61570091
>The fact that you tack 'many domains' is redundant bullshit
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence: "Some references emphasize a distinction between strong AI and "applied AI"[4] (also called "narrow AI"[1] or "weak AI"[5]): the use of software to study or accomplish specific problem solving or reasoning tasks. Weak AI, in contrast to strong AI, does not attempt to perform the full range of human cognitive abilities."
Notice why I used "many domains"? I was highlighting the difference of weak AI (only solves specific problems) to strong AI (solves many problems). Is that so
>your claim that adding together weak AI's makes a strong AI
What? When did I make that claim?
>>61570108
What is more efficient:
a) 100000 small combustion engines
b) 1 power plant + solar panels + 100000 high efficient electric vehicles
>>61570184
What is more efficient:
a) 100000 high efficient combustion engines
b) 1 power plant + 100000 small electric vehicles
>>61570181
>I was highlighting the difference of weak AI (only solves specific problems) to strong AI (solves many problems).
again, youre bending a definition to say something that is overly simplistic so it sounds similar to what you stupidly believe
I'm pretty sure that 95% of the people here have no idea what they're talking about.
[spoiler]Me included, but hey, you don't see me telling what I think[/spoiler]
>>61559735
If I could I'd make an (((evil))) AI and let it loose in the wild. Fuck human civilization, lets burn the fucker down.
>>61570267
what? in what way did I bend my definition?
>>61565456
>minorities even when they're perfectly qualified
I'm glad he's not a cuck and hires the BEST candidates; not just "qualified" to meet a quota
>>61565491
>>61565456
He's aspiring to change the world with automated cars, space travel, ai, and even his latest cyborg project
I couldn't give a shit what he's like I'm rooting for him
>>61561981
t. poorfag
How's that socialism working out for you?
>>61560548
Look at all these triggered fat autists lmao
>>61563742
>>61561298
>>61561366
>>61561791
Sorry pajeet, you have to go back.
>>61561828
>>61568802
>he's involved in most aspects
You know that means he's present at the engineers' meetings making notes for himself, right? That's pretty rare among CEO's anyway, I'll grant him that, but he's by no means an engineer. He wouldn't have gone forward with the HypeLoop hype-machine if that was the case. It's a big PR stunt and will never get built.
>>61570787
Mr Waxwork
>>61570787
>>61570833
https://youtu.be/-wC4rLguuYI
>>61567258
unless those 20000 are cousins
>>61561828
I wonder in a movie about him the actor would constantly stutter for sake of authenticity.
>>61559735
Finally goyim is gtfoing evil Jewish.
>>61567367
He said therefore he is, right?
>>61561797
In the next five years or at most a decade we're going to see breakthroughs in electrical power storage that will easily increase power density by an order of magnitude. Some solutions which can yield like 3x-5x power density are already well researched and await consumerization.
Mark is stupid and retard. No point of further discussion.
I mean cumskins are tend to be retarded
>>61570260
>"""""""high"""""" """""""efficient""""""" combustion engines
Combustion engines have an efficiency of like 30-40% and the drivetrain takes away a lot of power
>>61559735
I like how everybody in the AI field know anything about psychology. You would assume they'd at least learn everything they can about how "human brain" works before trying to replicate it.
That's why I know they'll never make any Strong AI.
>>61571254
>cumskins
He is literally Jewish. Jews aren't white, even if their skin is white.
How to get rid of an AI? cut the fucking power.
>>61571742
>AI has total control over nuclear plant and kills every human on sight
What do
>>61571663
Fuck off from my thread
Pol retards need to stay where they belong
>>61559735
>So who's the bigger retard in this case?
Always Zuckerberg, in all cases.
>>61560709
>>shitty payment system which everyone hates
People hate Paypal?
>>rocket company claiming to do revolutionary things which nasa invented in the 80s
Nasa invented reusable rockets that could land back on the ground?
>>61562469
>sapient AI
?
>>61571775
>using computers that connect to any kind of network while managing a nuclear power plant
Nice safety standards.
>>61571299
>I like how everybody in the field of aviation know anything about bird flight. You would assume they'd at least learn everything they can know about how "bird wing" works before trying to replicate it. That's why I know they'll never make any flying machine.
>t. an idiot, circa 1800
Since when did you have this stupid belief? Anthropomorphizing AI is a sure way to be wrong about AI. You think strong AI will be remotely close to human brains? Sure, if you think whole brain emulation will come before literally any other possible form of AI. And you probably meant neuroscience you brainlet.
Psychology's a shit field anyway.
>can't even replicate results
>> 61572571
Great strawman. An AI better than humans?
Psychology and moreover Behavioral Psychology is what keep the world going. All the codes monkeys in the world won't create anything close to human's intelligence, let alone your childish dream of a superior intelligence.
>>61572741
>Psychology and moreover Behavioral Psychology is what keep the world going.
You do know how bad psychology's standing is right now with respect to it being a science is right? And also, if we're basing AI on human brains, it's not going to be Psychology. It's going to be neuroscience.
>All the codes monkeys in the world won't create anything close to human's intelligence, let alone your childish dream of a superior intelligence.
What, you think human brains are so special that the only way we can create an AI is by replicating human brains?
Again, psychology will never be useful to building an AI even if we were really replicating human brains. Studying psychology to build an AI would be like studying the UI of an OS to replicate a general computer. Obviously you would need to study how the transistors inside it interact with each other, not what the computer itself does on the surface.
>>61572369
scifi tards often use sapient when they mean sentient
Why are Americans so greedy?
Thats so disgusting.
>>61559735
I'd say zuck the cuck for being short sighted
AI certainly has the potential to be a very disruptive technology
>>61565886
Why yes, yes it's very serious.
>>61561451
>tries to make people use electric cars which pollute less and save environment so that future generations could have breathable air.
Electric cars only pollute less if the source of the electricity is "cleaner" than oil. If your electricity comes from coal, as a massive portion of American electricity does, an electric car will pollute more.
And none of that is to mention the heavier elements required to make the batteries, which are mined in certain locations in the world, like Mongolia, and create huge amounts of toxic waste as a byproduct of their removal and refinement.
But hey, whatever makes you fell better.
>>61575658
The pint is to reduce local air pollution so you don't die from PM2.5 and smog
Anyone who lives in an area with a lot of cars will know this
>>61560268
Who the fuck are you to decide?
>>61575658
>a massive portion of American electricity does
>the America is the entire world meme by Americans
I can only speak for Europe but our power mostly comes from nuclear and water
>>61559735
both don't understand shit about AI nor anything else but controlling others, both won't even pass an introductory AI course in a shitty university, it just works like that they want to keep that narrative that they are nerds and not the ordinary filthy businessmen like in other business sectors
>>61560548
Fuck off Elon
Not saying Zuckerberg isn't well suited for this
But why would he know that much about IA or why would he be a reference?
For all I know it's just a man who built his fortune by being a good programmer and good in his own domain : Being a jew and steal ideas.
>>61575658
>tfw I live in a city that has almost 100% green energy saturation, wind water and sun
that it's also one of the most expensive cities in europe is another story
>>61568771
this
why can't finally someone find some shit gravitation ass molecule that makes us fly around without giant amounts of energy needed
I want to live in the future
>>61565069
Fuck you, S. King.
>>61561828
A multi-ethnic, midget tranny.
>>61559735
Musk is a proven computer wiz kid.
Zuck is a javascript kiddie.
>>61561483
This exactly. Quite a few companies are building self driving car AI, I cant think of many that are building an army of superintelligent killer robots.
Theres one of two things we should do, either dont dismiss AI as a whole and only dismiss certain uses of it, or abandon the whole thing. If Musk really thinks AI is too dangerous to mess with, he should shut down all his AI led projects, like self driving cars. Currently when it comes to AI, neither him nor the consumers are willing to practice what they preach.
>>61560464
>>61559798
>>61560268
>Faggots who should be shot
>>61561548
>Space exploration is a joke, electric vehicles are a joke.
Moron spotted!
>>61559798
This. Physicists think they're so fucking smart.
>>61578459
>I cant think of many that are building an army of superintelligent killer robots.
I assume that nobody will announce it before the Judgment Day.
>>61575761
Wrong
But still better than the US I guess
I'm not going to read the thread but still going to recap it.
>zuckerberg is a jew
>tesla has subsidies
>you can't regulate new discoveries
>idol worship
>neet shaming
>allegations of state bootlicking
How'd I do?
>>61581817
Hit every mark.
/g/ is so infected by /pol/. SAD!
>>61563629
>Were actually quite close
>look it can recognize a picture of a cat! next stop, HAL.
>i responded to 20 posts, you know im legit
>>61559735
They are both stupid about AI. This is all publicity for muh image and muh money. Zuckhead makes money by selling retarded idiots personal information and Musk makes money by conning congress. Both of these faggots are smarter than the majority of bullied faggots on /g/.
>>61583630
>conning congress
l m a o
I think Musk is in the right here.
AI CAN be harmful in the wrong hands. Probably not on the extinction level (not anytime soon at least), but there are plenty of harms that come with artificial intelligence. If hospitals ever rely on AI to perform operations better than most doctors then it NEEDS to be programmed robustly so that it can't be misused or "hacked" to do anything other than its intended purpose. This is what Musk is talking about. AI needs to be handled responsibly and kept out of the wrong hands. (You know military and terrorists will want to use it for weaponry).
Zuck on the other hand seems overly optimistic/careless and looks past the risks. He thinks everything will just be okay whereas Musk is just saying we need to be careful with this.
Fear has gotten us this far in our evolutionary path. We should fear AI. However it is a requirement if we wish to advance. So we must develop it carefully.
>>61559735
AI DOES NOT EXIST AND CANNOT EXIST
THEY ARE JUST EXPERT SYSTEMS THAT RETARDS ARE PRETENDING WILL EVER BECOME SOMETHING GREATER