>be windows user >wake up >have these news apps installed

install gentoo

>>61536021
Gaymes
Gaymes gaymes
Gaymes!!!
Don't do it! Stick to Windows ™

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Why should I care about you OS choice? Go outside and stop being autistic.

>>61536021
Windows 7 exists

You gave it your permission when you blindly clicked "accept" to everything.

>>61536021
>Not using IOMMU to run windows in a VM with native performance

Literally why?

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>>61536021
Install Fedora with KVM and virt-manager to fulfill your VM needs.

>>61536364
Bet you to it.

>>61536021
switch to linix m8, i got fed up with the obnoxious forced updates and auto-installed shitware so switched to fedora 4 months ago, haven't regretted it once, shits great pham

>use a non-retarded windows 10 version
>never worry about it installing random shit
you're dumb, op

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>>61536501
>muh telemetry

>>61536021
They're just stubs and can be easily removed if you can't ignore them. Seriously I only ever go to the all apps menu when I'm pinning something to the Start screen anyway

>>61536588
>installs one drive every fucking update
>uninstall it
>there is just a broken link in favourites now unless you regedit it out
yeah fucking nice one rapoo

>>61536559
i don't give a shit about this telemetry spook

>>61536356
because it runs like shit

>>61536588
>They're just stubs
I clicked each one and they opened up games asking me to agree to their EULA/TOS or whatever.

Doesn't matter now anyway, I'm just updating my old arch linux postinatall script from a cuple of years ago and then I'll be using that again with the hour.

You can stop the installs of apps automatically by disabling automatic updates in the store app. It's retarded and you have to manually update store apps from then on, but it stops the downloads.

Or alternatively, a quick tinker with the group policy settings.

I was annoyed MS did this, but I'm stuck using their OS and it really is something some third world toilet avoider would come up with and think a good idea.

>>61536611
>Uninstalling a core OS component

Just don't use OneDrive then?

>>61536624
Right Click>Uninstall

wow hard B^)

>>61536627
i thought i was stuck with ms too (c# dev + muh games) but linux pretty much 'just werks' now with wine and netcore so really not missing wendys

>>61536639
>Right Click>Uninstallwow hard B^)
I'm >>61536627 and am fine with Windows, but stop making excuses for dumb fucking "features". Uninstalling autoinstalling apps -even once a week- is a pain in the arse.

>>61536639
>Right Click>Uninstall
I had already done that before, they just re-installed themselves out of nowhere.

Admittedly this was a final straw, I set up pi-hole last week and was concerned at all the weird MS addressed being pinged hundreds of times a day while my machine is left doing nothing but I'm out of the house.

>>61536655
Im pretty sure the only time you have to deal with it is on a fresh install and the occasional large (i.e. bigger than patch tuesday) update.

>>61536651
I would switch, but I work as a 3d generalist and like to work on projects at home too with similar software- I'm keeping an eye on support for linux but it's still just not quite there yet and I don't know the if wine works well with the programs I use. It's just too much drama for something that already works well, albeit with a shitty start meu.

>>61536662
just ignore it? It's not like it's taking up a lot of space on the hard drive

>>61536676
>Im pretty sure the only time you have to deal with it is on a fresh install and the occasional large (i.e. bigger than patch tuesday) update.

OP here, this was not a fresh install. I'm well aware of the fresh install issue where if you remove them before all store updates are done it reinstalls.

>>61536612
Microsoft probably will never do something TOO evil with the telemetry.
But it's still a bunch of services with possible vulnerabilities running that you can't actually truly disable.

It's kinda like being forced to use internet explorer.

>>61536684
support for professional 3d modeling software is above average for linux. what do you use?

>>61536690
>just ignore the HIV, it's not taking up much space o your immune system

That's how retarded MS apologists are sounding right now.

>>61536676
Yes, in all fairness I did mentioned that before too but the option to disable automatic app downloads is by no means clear. I've got it to stop, but that was either by disabling app updates or disabling app recommendations in some section of the settings menu. I'm still unsure which, iirc the latter still didn't solve the issue.

>>61536693
they already scan your onedrive files for illegal content, they will absolutely turn that shit on for windows and start scanning your local files, mark my fucking words, these people have no shame, they will sell you out without second thought

>>61536725
Yes, possibly.
But what will hit faster, microsoft or russia?
Having an mandatory internet enabled program on every single box makes it a very delicious target, as you could in theory hit everyone using windows 10 at once.

>>61536690
>just ignore the shitware using memory and cluttering my menus
>just ignore the 3rd-world uninstaller that leaves un-deletable shortcuts in the ui
should probably fucking kill yourself asap

>>61536706
>food analogy

It's literally a folder that gives you access to an extra 100gb for free, and yet you're still salty about it

>>61536740
its already happening, consider yourself lucky you didnt get your lolirape collection encrypted by wannacry, hundreds of thousands of other windows users werent so lucky

>>61536725
okay bud

>>61536743
But it doesn't use memory and it doesn't clutter any menu that I use with any frequency so I don't see how any of that applies. The shortcuts are deletable, this isn't off the shelf android here

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>>61536746
>It's literally your wish granted, and yet you're still salty about it

>>61536758
yeah ur avvin a giggl now but no one thought they would be having their 'private' onedrive files scanned either

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>>61536771
>animeposter

>>61536769
youre missing the point, they force-install their garbage software, like 5 years ago everyone would be spewing and the EU would be suing for antitrust, remember when all windows itunes users got safari auto-installed?
you are that one fagnugget that didn't see the problem and actually switched to safari back then

>>61536800
kysasap

>>61536807
except most of the time it's just a link to the Store.

>you are that one fagnugget that didn't see the problem and actually switched to safari back then
no, just being realistic about these things, i mean lets not pretend like Linux is some panacea

>>61536800
For kyubey you will need two of those.
And not due being "mary sue ultra pawae supa", but how much he will annoy and enrage you.

>>61536820
again, they
a) remove the option to choose which updates to install
b) start adding their ads and shitware to windows update
its fucking obnoxious
if they didn't do either of these things it would be 100% ok and i'd still be a windows user

>>61536834
I mean, I don't know what to say, yes it's annoying they throw in some shortcuts into a part of the OS that is hardly ever used, but there are bigger issues on any OS

>>61536618
>What is native performance

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>>61536356
>native performance

>>61536021
Stop using windows 10 you absolute fucking cretin. Why anyone would choose 10 over 7 is beyond me

>>61536862
>>61536618
>Not knowing what IOMMU is

Back to /reddit/ you must go.

>>61536844
hardly used? every update they add the windows store right to the taskbar, last time they added some shitty email client, they add onedrive to the side-bar of explorer, you have favourites, my computer, network and fucking onedrive
its cool, you don't see a problem with it, i do, all good
you should still try linux, its pretty decent

>>61536902
You don't have to run this malware when you're just shit posting and browsing the web. It's also easier to block the domains that allow Nanofloppy to pull this bullshit.

>>61536684
>3d generalist

You Houdini and Blender

>>61537011
*got

>>61536880
I know what IOMMU is and I know it's still not worth it

>>61537024
If you have shit hardware I guess.

>>61536894
You know it's possible to like Windows and Linux at the same time, right?

But yes, the all apps page is almost never used

>>61537045
cool yeah it's only possible to use one at a time
i didn't say anything about the all apps screen, that shit is cancer regardless of how many ads ms puts in it, start menu too for that matter
so basically every screen, the desktop, start menu/all apps, and explorer are all a shitfest, fucking terrific

>>61537096
>cool yeah it's only possible to use one at a time
>t. Another Winlet that doesn't know what IOMMU is

>install ltsb
>never nags me about updates
>never does bad things
it's just like 7

>>61536021
>He isn't using ltsb
Pleb

>>61536021
Install Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB N 2016 already, you fucking retard.

>>61537120
>>61537129
>>61537132

How does one acquire and run LTSB without breaking the law? I do not have a job that provides me with it for use on a home computer.

>>61537120
>>61537129
>>61537132
Where to get LTSB?
Why N?

>>61536021
>Not using LTSB
come on anon

>>61537147
Fuck the lawman, autismo. You are the Enterprise now.

As a fellow long time winfag I can't blame you. The grass on linux side is looking real green compared to this crap.

>>61537147
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-10-enterprise

>>61537115
yes anon, you are very smart.

>>61537208
Thanks Mum.

>>61537175
You can't activate that, can you?

>>61536627
>it really is something some third world toilet avoider would come up with and think a good idea.

So the entire windows development team?

>>61537268
Ignore pajeets trying to get you to use LTSB, they do is so you register on their site and reinstall every 90 days which the reset time gives them extra chances to transmit data back before you can turn it off.

>>61537024
Why not?
Doesn't it remap the address space used for communication between the kernel and the actual device to the address space of the virtual machine?
Won't that mean it can have the same performance as if the driver ran in the kernel?

>>61537295
Yes. Ignore the Microsoft shill desperately trying to confuse summerfags into installing Windows on baremetal.

>>61536021
Microsoft decided we are not their target audience...

And frankly the only reason I'm still on windows is because setting up Linux the way I like takes me over 10 hours, and I don't have that amount of time now that I work...

That and the fact that I use outlook (and not going to switch to gmail), and therefore I don't really escape the ms-botnet.

I do have over 30 games on steam, but I don't have time (or energy) to play anymore.

When I get back, I just shitpost here until I fall asleep.

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>>61537413
>g-good enough

on top of that UI in Linux is generally garbage and it clashes with how Windows works on fundamental levels like pointer acceleration so it feels weird. It's an option for sure, but not the only one.

>>61537520
>UI in Linux is generally garbage
That one Linux UI...
>clashes with how Windows works on fundamental levels like pointer acceleration
Linux shouldn't be touching your mouse at all if you're passing through hardware. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about and fuck off back to /reddit/.

>>61536639
Core component my ass. It is literally nothing more than a runonce key in the default registry hive that launches an installer.

> 2017
> being cucked by microsoft even though Linux has never been better
> willingly submitting to bill gates' dick because "muh games" (even though all but the most recent ones work through Wine on Linux)

i sure hope you guys don't do this

>>61537584
>That one Linux UI...
yeah, they're all shit, although to clarify I'm talking GUI. Your best bet is to go for a 9x esque shell that just stays out of the way

>>61537783
Then what's the big deal? Just hit cancel and remove the regkey

>>61538101
Silent installer, and I do remove the key.
We have an anti-onedrive policy at work, and it's part of a larger removal script that I wrote.

>>61536618
>>61536862
>>61537024
>>61537520

t. people who have no practical experience of what they're talking about

>>61537520
>on top of that UI in Linux is generally garbage

what is it with you windows shills moving the goalposts as soon as you get called out for being retarded

also nice whitepaper from 2007, I'm sure the current state of virtualisation is just as bad as it was a decade ago

>>61537295

the performance penalty in terms of gaymen is 1-5% at most and that includes the drawback of not being able to give the vm a full unused cpu core/thread, although you can get very close with core pinning at the expense of losing a core/thread or two to dedicate to the host os, you'll generally have a harder time finding a disk setup that has decent or close to native disk performance than you will a setup which has close to native cpu or gpu performance which is basically >97% out of the box in most cases

the thing you have to remember is things like iommu, sriov and vt-d is that they aren't designed for gaming applications, they're designed for some fairly serious server virtualisation where virtual machines need *high* performance pass-through of things like raid and network cards, if nvidia geforce cards inability to be passed through without using quadro firmware isn't a strong indicator of that I don't know what else is

>>61538271
It installs with windows...

>>61538415
>the performance penalty in terms of gaymen is 1-5%
source?

>>61536021
>without my permission
Did you accept the ToS?

>>61538415
I didn't move anything though. Why would I bother with passthrough at all if i don't even want to run the host OS?

>>61536021
Stick with it if you either need some specific software that has no Linux counterpart (Photoshop, visual studio, ms office) or you're scared of Linux, out simply getting your hands a little dirty.
Otherwise it's a good idea.

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>>61538466

sure thing, courtesy of leddit http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/8633319? (note the disk), typical scores for this card range around 15k (pic related), with a variance of around 12k on the low end up to about 18k world record
some more https://forum.level1techs.com/t/how-fast-is-kvm-host-vs-virtual-machine-performance/110192

anecdotally, testing game benchmark results on native and in a vm show no time difference, and testing with something like fraps benchmark tool shows no difference in average/low/0.1% frame times and shows no extra noticeable frame time spikes (when viewed in frafs benchmark viewer)
I did have some awful disk 4k random performance which affected some games during loading or disk writes but that has since been resolved, and I am pinning 2 cores and 4 threads to the host machine making my 6c/12t cpu a 4c/8t cpu as far as the vm goes which obviously is going to be a severe performance hit in cpu heavy games, although you can give 6c/12t to the vm the host os still needs resources to run and may result in less than consistent performance depending on host load, the rule of thumb generally is gpus are passed through and will act almost exactly as if native and everything else depends on individual setup and individual needs

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>>61538804
>source is reddit

>>61538818
>can't do his own independent tests

what are you, 12?

I don't get why Winfags stick with Microsoft Spyware 10 just because they have one vidya game that doesn't work with Linux. Okay, I get it. Playing this game is worth more to you than having a private or secure desktop. You'd rather have Microsoft monitor what you do and install/uninstall things on your box than give up this game. Alright, so why not just dual boot? You can do 99% of your stuff in Linux and then boot up the botnet when you need to play Call of Cucks 7: Modern Dildoes or whatever it is.

>>61538828
It's more than one game

>>61536651
>.net core
>on par with .net standard

Maybe in a few years, I hope.

>>61538828
By one game you mean most games and major software.

>All this shit and Win10 still has a problem where disk usage will run up to 100% and the system will slow to a crawl
It's not even a good OS despite of the things people complain about. That's the most insane thing about this.

get a mac man. if you had listen to us at the beginning, you won't have to waste time doing this right now

sometime you have to swallow your dumbass ego and take advice from other people

you so deserve this you tard hahahahaah get rekt senpai

>>61536021
use enterprise LTSB 2016 you nigger