/w4v/ - Daily Wait for Vega Thread - 7 Day Countdown

>>61517666
sub 1080 performance in most gaymes
Same price as 1080 for the WC version
Twice the power when OC'd
Struggle to get 1750+mhz when OC'd
That's my bets for vega

Seeing as w're waiting for 18+ months for navi is the 1080ti a good investment?

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>>61517917
>Twice the power when OC'd
>500W
Uhhhhh

>>61517666
>another GPU thread
>>61517917
Oh, even another retarded shitposter.

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>>61518394

>>61517666
kek
>>61514222

>>61518394
>Oh, even another retarded shitposter.
He is right tho, Vega is DOA

>>61518571
Yes, Vega is DOA, just like R300 was totally DOA.

>>61518578
The 3xx are OC 2xx tho

>>61518599
Holy fuck.
Fuck fuck fuck kill yourself newfag.

>>61518571
>kek
Navi's fucking overrated.

>>61518609
??? Also only summerfags call people newfag...

>>61518609
Literally what?

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>>61518632
You know what the fuck R300 was?

>>61518645
"slap more VRAM on it and call it a day"

>>61518695
No, I mean R300.
You know what the fuck R300 was?

>>61518599
>>61518632
>>61518634
>>61518695
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATi_Radeon_R300_Series
Smells like summer in here.

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>>61518699
Yeah, it's a piece of shit, it's an XLR. It's a Cadillac, it's built on a fucking Cadillac fucking goddamn platform, it's a Cadillac.

>>61518817
What the fuck?

>>61518833
You just got soundboarded on, pal.

I want /v/ to die.

7 MORE DAYS

Low tier Vega is slightly faster than GTX 1070. Add to it freesync and it performs very close to GTX 1080. Next Vega is 1080 performance. Highest Vega is 1080Ti. Vega rules because its basically equal to novidia or slightly slower but with freesync support. Source: my ass. Believe it or not.

I hate weekends.

>>61518990
>>>/out/

>>61518976
>Freesync suddenly adds 15-20% performance
Idiot.

>>61519432
I meant as of perceptive smoothness, dummy.

>>61519432
my cock adds 30% performance

>>61519495
Doesn't matter, retard.

>>61519583
Huh?

>>61519495
Perception =/= Performance

You're the reason AMD is never held accountable for poor performance. A turd covered in gold dust is still a turd.

Waiting to see how good RX vega is as i'd really like to have an all-AMD 4k build. My trusty 290x has served me well for years but its no 4k card outside of a ludicrous overclock and medium settings at a 30fps lock.

>>61519702
>Perception =/= Performance
I just told you what i meant. Dude, your slow.

Got some info from an European distributor about Vega and they said that that it's launching on the 30th. So it's not going to be a paper launch like a lot of people have been saying.

>>61519883
Reference ones?
Maybe.
But definetly not AiBs.

>>61519721
not to mention you'd have to be retarded to buy nvidia at the end of the cycle
it's either vega or volta at this point, no third option.

>>61519908
>Volta
It's bigger dies.

>>61519898
some people buy them, I will wait for sapphire

most realistic scenario is that cheapest vega is 1080 level for $350 considering all the leaks, and hints but don't hold your breath

worst case it's 10% above 1080 for same price for middle vega

>>61519914
yeah, but it will have enough life in it before navi/whatever mcm nvidia will name

>>61519941
>most realistic scenario is that cheapest vega is 1080 level for $350 considering all the leaks
Ha ha no.
You're in for a surprise.

>>61519941

>I will wait for sapphire

If the RX PCB is the same as FE PCB if sapphire straight up slaps their fury tri-c cooler on it on it it would be a monster. In fact assuming FE PCB = RX PCB you'd want to actively buy reference pcb cards precisely because you can't really get much better sensibly but you can easily cheap out and make a worse board.

>>61519957
you know that surprise is inherently semantically and etymologically has positive emotional connotation?
I hope you do, because I like surprises.

>>61519979
reference cooler is loud.
sapphire cooler is quiet.

>>61519983
Oh, it'll be a nice one.
Vega won't be a high-margin product, AMD wants marketshare back after Fiji disaster.

>>61519999
>reference cooler is loud
It's a fucking blower.
We're talking PCBs, and ref one is as perfect as it gets.

>>61519999

You didn't read did you? PCB =/= cooler.

>>61520018
>>61520020
unless i'd be willing to buy aftermarket cooler for GPU - reference is a no.
No matter how good PCB is. it can be made out of platinum for all I care, if card will annoy me to no end I won't buy it

>>61520058
The dude is saying AiBs don't even need a fucking custom PCB. They can just slap a cooler and be done with it.

>>61519908
>waiting 7+ months for the 1180 when it'll be 15% faster at most than a 1080ti
>waiting 7 months to gain 15% and save $100

If you really wanted the extra performance that bad, just buy the 1080ti now and sell it once volta releases. It'd end up costing more but at least you're not sitting on your ass unable to play at high refresh/resolution for ages

>>61520104
>1180 when it'll be 15% faster at most than a 1080ti
Hahahahaha no.
It's not even a proper dieshrink.

>>61519805
>Add to it freesync and it performs very close to GTX 1080
No, you implied that freesync gives a boost in performance.

Stop moving the goal posts, idiot.

>>61520354
Stop being obtuse, dude. I corrected myself.

>>61518976
>Highest Vega is 1080Ti
That is some serious delusion anon.

If they have a ti level vega sitting around why are they only demoing the almost a 1080 one?

>>61519495
These performance metrics keep getting stranger. Truly amdrones arn't reaching at all.

>>61519914
>>61519908
Volta is still an option tho, and at this rate it is wait 1 months for vega or 3 for volta.

And since vega looks to only match 10xx nvidia levels at lower price points if your goal is performance you should probrably buy volta 2080 which will be faster than vega 1080 clone by 10-20%.

>>61519941
>most realistic scenario is that cheapest vega is 1080 level for $350 considering all the leaks
Ha, did you even see the 500 series? That is not how amd operates.

>>61522304
>or 3 for volta.
more like 7

>>61522312
you mean the 580 that can do 1440p now which 480 barely could?
or 570 that can do 1080p which 470 could do only medium settings?
without any price change?
yeah, AMD so shit

AIB partners will show the true power of VEGA just you wait.

>>61522433
But the 470 could oc to 480 levels of performance.

>>61522433
>you mean the 580 that can do 1440p now which 480 barely could?
There was barely anny difference between both those cards you stupid cunt

>>61522627
580 is clocked a lot higher(and can OC higher) and doesn't throttle like a 480

At least the reference ones.

>>61522654
Stop already, and stop comparing non reference cards to reference cards

The 580 was a refresh with 10% performance difference at best, much less with both cards oc'd

Do you think the Strix series will be golden samples like the RX 480 was?

>>61522666
Both are reference, only the 480 throttles.

I wouldn't buy a reference Polaris card, but your premise is wrong.

>>61522666
Not the same guy but 10% sounds good for a refresh. Also why would oc make the difference less when the whole point of the 500 series was better overclockability?
Both the 480 and the 1060 just barely scraped 1440p territory, and possible 10+% increase might just do it. So explain or stfu.

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>>61518311
>guy told me to get a lower wattage PSU because "you'll never use that much power"
>mfw I got a higher wattage PSU anyways

>>61523458
?

>>61523458
Racks and racks of memes. Oh, it's glorious. Just imagine all the memes those can calculate.

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>>61518311
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>>61518311
>>61525573

>>61525595
Only 350watts with disabled power gating?
Meh.

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>>61518578
vega is dead just like fury was dead.

It's okay anon, atleast their cpu's can carry then until raja gets fired

>>61525629
Oh yes, now i will totally give my money to lether jacket man!

>>61525595
All I see here is cards sticking to their TDP ratings.

Besides Fury X, what the fuck is up with that?

>>61525679
580's are still untarnished anon if you are not looking at high end

>>61525621
>only
They are bumping up against the 375 max wattage spec that card was designed for

>>61523458
Tesla P100 and V100 are examples of HBM2 done right (4 stacks).
AMD Vega is an example of HBM done wrong (2 stacks).

>>61525857
It's only moar bandwith.
Aka you should stop drinking JHH's semen.
Also what's Fiji then?
It also has 4 stacks. :^)

>>61525857
Memory Bandwidth is useless unless the shaders need them.

Example: A shader array only pulling 300GB/s of bandwidth would perform the same with 500GB/s bandwidth available, besides maybe using few watts less.

>>61525898
>Also what's Fiji then?
An example of HBM done right.

>>61526035
Knows how much you fucking know.

>>61526068
Shows*

>mfw insider at AMD tells me he's selling his stock before VEGA hits

It's that bad dudes.

>>61526097
Desktop Vega will have a marginal impact on stock, some 10% at best.

Fuck even the Threadripper announcement lowered stock, because investors wanted higher margins.
Fucking clowns.

>>61526097
t. Jen Hsun Huang
>>61526123
Vega will definetly drop the stocks, since margins would be quite low, AMD will undercut nvidia to gain market/mindshare back.

>>61526123

Point is it's been in development for years.

AMD hasn't been profitable forever. This VEGA is going to put them further in the hole.

>>61526097
>AMD stock

You mean that thing that drops 30% out of nowhere and bounces back in 2 weeks?

>>61526150
Yes.
An emotinal rollercoaster!
The one you'll never miss!
$AMD!
>>61526147
>Point is it's been in development for years.
It's 2 years at worst, JHH.

>>61526147
No

Hahahaha fucking lol.

>>61526164
>>61526167

Denial.

Emotionally trading stocks isn't wise. I'll be shorting AMD after VEGA release.

>>61526200
Oh yes you will.
While screaming
>anudda R300
?

>>61526200
It'll lower stock, but not significantly.
No one denies this, you should sell before Vega drops.

CPUs are far more important to the company, even the retarded investors know this.

>>61526123
Anon, Vega has 4 different lines.

Instinct, RX, FE and WX

Instinct has multiple SKU
FE has multiple SKU
WX has multiple SKU for 2 different products (WX Pro and WX SSG), so likely 3-5 SKU
Mobile(uknown) and APU parts(unknown)
And you're telling me 2 RX Vega SKU out of some 11(which could easily double with mobile and apu parts) is gonna ruin Vega? Are you fucking serious or that clueless?

>>61526214

It's going down to single digits. You saw the overreaction at first ER.

>>61526306
Oh yes it will.
You just need to scream
>anudda R300
louder that is.

>>61526306
Okay, now I know you're retarded.

I'd want that to happen so I can buy a shitload of stock, but that's likely to happen as Apple selling the next MBP for $500

>>61526344
>>61526334

I recommend selling now you two.

The next ER is coming up in two days and it will not be better than expected.

Why?

Because despite the 480's and 580's being sold out. They only produced enough of them to at best break even. Perhaps if they predicted the huge demand it would be different. They simply did not make enough to exceed expected earnings.

Sell now or get slaughtered.

>>61526423
Polaris isn't even a factor in Q2 ER, are you dumb?

>>61526447
He's shitposting.
Isn't it obvious?

>>61526447

It's not what I believe. It's what the sheep believe.

And believe me, the sheep are expecting a very good ER for precisely this reason.

>>61526513
AMD has said themselves several times that they're not betting anything on mining.
If investors sell because of this, they're better off fucking off and not investing because they can't do basic research.

AMD stock has a lot of "young investor" retards from RH, they're better weeded out so people holding long go in

>>61517666
I'm fucking ready. Shit better be affordable.

>>61527639
Shit better be powerful.

>>61529213
What if both?
They need to undercut nvidia to get fucking mindshare back.
It worked with Ryzen.

>>61529213
price/perf is all that matters. and amd is the king of price/perf

>>61529273
I'd rather get good perf/power tho

>>61529333
Then go for nvidia.

>>61529346
where is the 350W nvidia card that crushes the 1080ti then?
I'm not saying RX vega will be better tho

>>61529420
Wait for GV102.

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>>61517666
>666

>>61529885
checked

>>61522788
>Both are reference
The 580 series was a strictly partner card only. There was no reference 580.

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>>61525621
>disabled power gating
God you AMDrones are getting really desperate, aren't you?

How does it feel supporting such an incompetent company?

>>61531317
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2990-vega-frontier-edition-undervolt-benchmarks-improve-performance

Gee, I wonder why it was able to be undervolted to 1.09v at 280w and get FASTER? It's almost as if all the functionality in drivers that supposed to allow power gating is disabled or something?

fire raja koduri

get a real architect

>>61531317
AMDrones everywhere

SOFTWARE TEAM located in INDIA

any news from Portland?

>>61531641
>fire R300 dude
>get a real architect
?
>>61531317
>shitposting
Wow!

>>61517917
comparing a workstation card with features that most probably wont even be enabled on gaming cards

proceeds to make predictions based on that

/g/ in a nutshell

>>61534594
You mean /v/?
Because GPUs are for kids.
>>61531510
>replying to bait
?

>>61534601
>Because GPUs are for kids.

and you are typing this shit on a monitor being fed from what? magic?

>>61534594
It's the same piece of silicon anon

perf, power and oc headroom will be almost identical to FE.

I'd say his predictions were spot on. Also, what "features" are you talking about?

>>61534770
Everything from AVFS and power gating to TBR?
How clueless one can be?

>>61534770
we dont know shit anon vega is a big step from the rest of gcn family vega fe is a sandbag and nothing more the fact that is on par with almost everything but a p6000 shows that the card wasnt tailored at games at all
unless amd actually made a card that is awesome on CAD and decent on games which is stupid

>>61534810
You can't make the card that is great at CAD and only decent in games.
Like, physically, both workloads are graphical.

>>61517917
>wont OC past a certain amount
>GIGAHERTZ WARS!!!11!1!!11!1oneoneone1!!1

You're a real retard if you're bringing up the core speed when nvidia and AMD use different archs.

>>61534820
i think its time for you to stop posting..

>>61534837
Tell me how can you make a chip that's good at CAD and bad at other graphical workloads?

>>61534779
I would imagine all version of vega will have avfs, no?

also tile based should still be available for FE, it's just "not ready yet".

No need to get all salty anon, I was just curious of what features you were talking about.

>aymdrones in le nutsheel EX DEE

>>61534867
Yes, AVFS is AMD's usual voltage/power control feature since Carrizo days.

>>61534846
its like the companies dont develop different drivers for different cards anon!
amd must be the only company that somehow magically they managed to create both a PROF and a CSU driver to have both worlds happy!

in reality no its not a full chip with all the features enabled towards CAD has nothing to do with the consumer ones....

thats why we never saw that infamous "benchmark" of p6000 on anything more heavy than 2 light dx12 games

AMDEAD POODEON IS DOA

>>61534810
>vega fe is a sandbag and nothing more

C'mon, you need to give AMD more credit than that, they aren't in a position to sandbag.

>>61534962
But they are?
The only way to resurrect Radeon back is to deliver surprise of the decade.

>>61534962
i dont know they lied to the entire industry with zen

pretty sure they can do it with vega also

Reminder when AMD demoed Ryzen at 3.0GHz and kikes got hard thinking that it won't clock?

>>61535224
>"Our uncore is not tied to the RAM speed"
Was even more hilarious.

>>61535237
Intel got blindsided, but will Nvidia be the same? JHH isn't a dumb guy, he usef to work for AMD and knows what their engineers can do.

>>61535275
815mm^2 die reeks of desperation.
Also JHH has some brainfarts sometimes.
I still remember him autistically screeching about Larrabee (yes, that Larrabee).

>>61535275
he worker for an amd that was close to being shut down there is a difference

>>61535447
>early AMD
>close to being shut down
?

>>61535452
early amd wasnt the k7 and after amd...

>>61535459
AMD was doing *fine* before K7 hit the market.

>>61526306
lol, no. If it does though I'll just buy the dip again and roll in my 400% gains yet again.

>>61535473
no they werent they were going down faster than the bulldozer era k7 was their first ryzen
kinda how grande punto saved fiat
or 360cs saved ferrari
bla bla

>>61535486
K6-2 was great, what are you talking about.

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/07/22/tesla-v100-cvpr-nvail/

THANK YOU BASED NVIDIA

>>61535486
What?
K5 was meh, but K6 was doing more than fine.
And before that everyone suffered from japs nuking the market.

>>61535533
So was Am486

>>61535542
Wow, they got a hot lot?
What are the yields?

>>61535564
when did nvidia had good yields on maxwell to start now?

>>61535699
What?
It's Volta (aka ridiculously oversized dies), not Maxlel.

10% faster than 1080 for $400
Can overclock to 1800Mhz on nice silicon reaching a 1080ti for 400+ watts


Screencap this.

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>>61535733
Really?

>>61535725
no the true volta is due to late 2018 this is just another maxwell rebrand

why you think the recent rumors of volta having a hardware sc and therefore a 380+watt of tdp was out? we know what volta is going to be and this simply isnt

>>61535746
Volta will be hot and hungry due to retarded amounts of ALUs. NVIDIA will never fucking implement hardware SC back.

>>61535768
they will if they want to be competitive since the new games due to 18 are almost all on dx12/vulkan...

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/inside-volta/

>The new Volta SM is 50% more energy efficient than the previous generation Pascal design, enabling major boosts in FP32 and FP64 performance in the same power envelope.

AMDPOORFAGS confirmed on suicide watch

>>61535777
Wow, now "efficiency" meme goes down the drain along with years of marketing since Kekler.
You're a genius!

>>61535783
Just like Skylel-X was more efficient than BDW-E/EP with bigger and moar corez?
Only a retarded drone would believe that.

>>61535783
oh yeah 50% on nvidia approved slides or the real world?

>>61535741
I'm in the conservative side that thinks AMD won't have everything ready in the drivers/bios/firmware before September

>>61535805
Considering that Vega10 tapeout was AGES ago, it'll all be ready for launch.

>>61535805
early august is the final bios as per amd
so drivers probably sep
mature drivers probably dec
killing nvidia probably navi with mcm and IF on the cores

>84 SMs
>The Tesla V100 accelerator uses 80 SMs.
At least they are honest.
Sort of.

>>61535849
GV100 has some shaders disabled for yield reasons.

>>61535890
That's what i meant.
It's a second thermi.

>>61535829
Why do AIBs get BIOS 6 weeks later than FE launch if it's the same silicon?

This heavily implies different firmware.

>>61535897
Because...
...reasons, i guess?
Ask RTG about that, their TBR implementation, CU level changes, how HBCC works etc etc

is it 30th or 1st?
siggraph is long event
what was fury x after launch review NDA?
chances are there won't be PCB redesign and they would be able to launch production right away with custom cooler

>>61535953
It's 30th AFAIK.

>>61535953
>>61535979
>The flagship device, the Fury X, was released on June 24, 2015

NDA was lifted same day. Chances are reviews will come out Sunday then.

>>61536045
Hopefully.
I hope they'll give us the whitepapers the same day.
Vega will probably be much easier and funny to program.

>>61535897
no shit FE has features that gaymers obviously wont bother or care to have so why they should have them enabled?

>>61536045
AMD nevers lets reviews on sunday. It's almost always tuesday.
Reviews should be a week after SIGGRAPH

>>61536079
Aside from that no reviewers have actually gotten a RX Vega yet.

I mean, Vega FE competes with P6000, and even kills it in geometry.
Why are RTG dead silent?
nVidia would shill the card like there's no tomorrow.

The fact that there's no leaks from China tells you what you need to know, it's a paper launch

There's nothing until the end of August or start of September

>>61536131
do you even know what a paper launch is?

>>61536131
The fact that they sell you a working Vega10 silicon right now means it'll be a hard launch.

>>61536125
Nvidia spoiled a few launches from AMD with strategically priced products and lowering prices, AMD hopes it won't happen again.

Shouting from the sky about your expensive product is a good way of getting kicked in the ass.

>>61536146
Vega is already woefully late compared to any GP102 product.
You can't spoil the launch that is THIS late.

>>61536156
gaming vega yes
workstation vega no there is no such thing as late on that market

>>61535895
Amd just hoping Nvidia fail, pathetic.

>>61536156
There are 3 gp102 products and 2 of them might as well be unicorns.

1080ti didn't launchna year ago, you know.

>>61536189
>a die so big that even your top crop product can't have all SMMs enabled is
>Amd just hoping Nvidia fail
?
>>61536192
Anyway, everyone who wanted to get such performance already bought 1080ti.
RX Vega is DOA, unless, of course, it's 20-30% faster than cutdown GP102.

>>61536199
That's not how it works.
Many want that performance but don't have the money for it, holy shit are you this silly?

>>61536212
It's a halo product you dummy.
It's performance above all else.
Value offerings are dead.

>>61536226
Idiot.

>>61536237
Retard.

>>61536290
Fuckface.

>>61536333
Shitnoggin.

>>61536333
Nigger.

My dad can beat up your dad

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>>61517666
Vega will fail, but not because it's a bad product, no, it is in fact a fantastic product! It will fail, because AMD marketing is downright awful, and the marketing team let the product down.

>>61536421
Yeah, who gives a shit.

I don't listen to marketing when I buy a product and most of /g/ is similar.

>>61536451
>Yeah, who gives a shit.
Normies.
Normies buy most GPUs.

>>61536463
And why should I care?

>>61536421
need sauce on girl, havent wanked in like 5 days and felt the cum rush to my balls.

>>61536479
https://www.instagram.com/biancakmiec/
it wasn't that hard to find

>>61536479
big tits mcgee

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>>61529885
>>61530885
>885 replying to 885