What killed esata?

I did

lack of a real use case

>>61510165
USB 3.0 or whatever it's called right now

>>61510165
It was just one extra connector that was unnecessary. People would rather use USB even if it is slower. Although I do believe USB 3.1 is faster

Me and my crew

>>61510165
jews

fancy USB port

>>61510198
This anon

>>61510165
I tried an ESATA external drive once.

Windows couldn't recognize it for longer than one session. Next time it was turned on, without fail "this drive is unformatted, want windows to helpfully automatically format it for you?"

The fact it didn't supply power. What the fuck were they thinking?

Specialization when it wasnt needed.
USB is simply the most versatile.

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>>61510165
it only appeared in high end hardwares

Thunderbolt over USB C

this is the only correct answer

>>61510165
Grove Street

>>61510222
You mean USB 3.1 Version 1.1 Type C Revision 2?

>>61510754
Esata was dead for the masses way before USB C was ever a thing

>>61510165
USB being more popular. Nothing more. My external enclosure came with USB and e-SATA wires. I noticed that over USB, sustained transfers to and from the external were more all over the place. USB would peak at around 40MB/s (USB 2.0 days), but also dip as low as 9MB/s

Where as e-SATA would do 28MB/s sustained for hours and never dip below 26MB/s. But yeah not having a power port was a shit. I'll take USB any day.

That or thunderbolt, but fuck apple.

>>61510507
At the time of release there was no usb3 and it's increased power. just shitty slow usb3 with it's inconsistent speeds and controllers.

So it was a the best option for high speed interface for external hard drives, which at the time needed their own powersupply as well.

These days usb3 with USB Attached SCSI is just the most convenient thing. pretty much all 2.5inch devices can draw power over usb.

Sure some DAS support esata still, but once usb3.1r2 ex turbo II or 10gbe becomes prevalent then the speed boost from esata3 is gone (although still limited by single ssd sata controllers).

I personally can't wait for 5gbe/2.5gbe to actually hit the market and bring the cost of highspeed networking down so NAS can become that much faster.

tldr: esata lost to USB Attached SCSI.

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>>61510165
comfy

>>61510998
I don't know of any eSATA drives that could draw power from the USB pins, though. So it's just a way to have eSATA without losing one USB port.

>>61510900
its

>>61510507
eSATAp is a thing too. It also works as a USB port.

>>61511294
I've got an optical drive for my laptop that does.

>>61510198
/thread

Jews

>>61510165
sata is a botnet

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>>61510165
USB 3.0
for the same performance, it was cheaper, more ubiquitous, and had power on the line.

on the other hand, USB is NOT a secure protocol
there was a hack back in 2011 by researchers from george mason university who attached a cell phone, which identified itself via plug-and-play as a keyboard. the phone had full access to the RAM and devices on the PC.

requesting the article that says for data privacy/security, you should never use sata. instead, you should use something else, such as usb2. reason being, sata has access to protected memory, and a malicious sata firmware could access your computers main memory, thus having access to literally everything

>>61510998
This. One comfy port, even though I don't have any use for eSATA on my laptop, it works well as a third USB.

>>61510198
fpbp

>>61510738
>my Z68 has it
>my X99 has it
Was Z68 high end? I thought it was shit but maybe thats because it's MSI

>>61511876
>on the other hand, USB is NOT a secure protocol
>there was a hack back in 2011 by researchers from george mason university who attached a cell phone, which identified itself via plug-and-play as a keyboard. the phone had full access to the RAM and devices on the PC.

Thats not what I heard; im looking for the article now, but it said usb2 explicitly did not have access to system memory. if some shitty operating system gave it access, thats another story. but sata, for example, can access protected memory, and theres nothing an operating system can do to prevent it

>>61511882
>>61511942
>>61511876
https://libreboot.org/faq.html#what-other-firmware-exists-outside-of-libreboot

>SATA drives can also have DMA (through the controller), which means that they could read from system memory; the drive can have its own hidden storage, theoretically, where it could read your LUKS keys and store them unencrypted for future retrieval by an adversary.

>With proper IOMMU and use of USB instead of SATA, it might be possible to mitigate any DMA-related issues that could arise.

>>61511876
>USB is generally considered one of the safest protocols, precisely because USB devices have no DMA

that article is a bit old, so I dont know how usb3 fits into this

>>61512184
USB can now carry scsi protocals. If the DMA is part of SCSI and not just sata then in theory it has the same vulnerabilities.

>>61512287
I guess for SATA, DMA is built into the controller, and the SATA firmware merely needs to request DMA to get it

USB2 has no DMA

>However, USB 3.1 does support DMA, so you might want to avoid that. I do believe it is disabled by default though, so it's not a massive risk. Just be aware that the USB controller allows it.

plenty more I want to quote, but Ill just link the URL

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/118854/attacks-via-physical-access-to-usb-dma

>>61510165
USB3
>>61510773
Type C is connector type, every other bullshit from your post is backwards compatible whatever it means.

>>61510198
Nicely done.

Now bring back the laser disc.

>>61510165
Buggy OS support, it not being sufficiently better than USB 3, being worse than Thunderbolt, and all of these being shit compared to a NAS with internal/hot swap drives anyway.

>>61510773
>You mean USB 3.1 Version 1.1 Type C Revision 2?

Can it power a 3.5" hdd on its own yet, without a power brick?

>>61511876
Yeah, and there was a guy who wrote malware that resided on your hard drive firmware (they have powerful enough controllers to run Linux).

Nothing is secure.

>>61510507
Most memepads and elitebooks that ive seen with this port supply power too, because its a combined usb+esata port.

>>61512568
3.5" hard-disks generally require 12V, in addition to 5V

USB type C can provide 3A, or some can do 5A

I just looked at a random HD I had. It requires 700mA on the 5V line, and 500mA on the 12V line.

A voltage converter could convert 5V to 12V 500mA, while using 1.2A

That means off a 5V line, my 1 particular hard-drive requires 1.9A, assuming the voltage convert is 100% efficient. To account for any inefficiency, lets just say 2A is the requirement

Since USB type-C can do 3A, this would suggest to me, that yes, you can power a 3.5" hard-disk off of USB type-C.

>>61512695
well, fucking finally then. It only took 15 fucking years...

>>61512372
Type-C has it's own protocol, it's always Type-C 1.x + USB 2.0/3.0+

>>61512718
yea, I didnt really know that until you just motivated me to do the math. Im going to go see if external cases exist that do this, which would require the Voltage booster circuitry in it. I personally just added 4x external 2.5" drives to my file server, which are powered off of USB3. The USB3 controller in my computer itself is receiving additional power from I think the fucking floppy drive power connector

>>61510773
kek

>>61512772
>>61512718
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Innov8-Desktop-USB-C-STFG8000400/dp/B01ER48934

>Features Seagate Ignition Boost technology and USB 3.1 so you no longer need an extra power source or adapter

>Ignition Boost technology

sigh, I hate how every company has to put its brand names on such basic technology. its a fucking voltage booster, theyve been around for like a hundred fucking years, maybe even 200 years

but good news is, yes, we can hookup 3.5" external disks and get power from a single USB cable! the enclosures already exist!

I juryrigged an esatap port to the front of my chassis. Been using it for external 3.5" hdds for years with just one esatap to sata + power cable.

>>61512827
>ignition

You never know, it could be a new technology. It uses the extra power from usb3.1mega++ alpha to fire a spark plug to 'ignite a tiny icu wankel engine to rotate the platters.

>>61512695
>yes, you can power a 3.5" hard-disk off of USB type-C.
The requirement was without a power brick.
So the answer is no. A 5V to 12V converter would be as big as a power brick.

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>>61512695
>92% efficient boost converter
Difficult, but possible.

>>61512904
>A 5V to 12V converter would be as big as a power brick.
You can stop posting anytime.

>>61510165
No cables

>>61510165
No power over the port and with USB3 being faster there is no point. I have a couple drive cases left that had the USB controllers die so I still have uses for ESATA.

>>61512992
Those cheap DC-DC switching converter boards are the best thing since sliced bread.

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>>61512772
heres said file server. 7 disks total counting the 3 internal

>>61512904
>A 5V to 12V converter would be as big as a power brick.
wrong. it would fit neatly on the SATA to USB board that would already be in the exclosure

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>>61513100
>disks lying around on case

>>61513295
They're in enclosures.

>>61513051
I get them by dozens. Cheap, small, efficient and incredibly useful.

>>61513331
That's not enough, the cables could be yanked accidentally, like why would you do that to a fileserver, especially if it's that big anyways, it should be able to fit those drives.

>>61513361
>That's not enough
Sure it is.
>especially if it's that big anyways, it should be able to fit those drives
That case can't even fit a normal sized PCIe card and you're expecting it to be able to hold 7 drives?

>>61513100
What sata to usb boards are you using? I'm having trouble finding cheap ones, especially if you consider them good enough for constant use.

>>61513361
>That's not enough, the cables could be yanked accidentally, like why would you do that to a fileserver,
its a RAID-10 array, so even if a cable is yanked, it would be OK

>especially if it's that big anyways, it should be able to fit those drives.
thats a small form factor case. It can only hold 3 internal hard-drives, which is already filled. it has one boot drive, and a raid-1 array.

the internal drives hold the more important stuff, the external raid-10 array you are commenting on holds less essential stuff. obviously its a goofy setup, but i cant afford to build a new server yet, and i already had those laptop drives. the internal storage available is 2TB, which is getting full. the external array adds on another 500GB, which is enough to put off building a new server for a year or 2 easily if I needed. Ill probably build a new one though once I get my tax refund money in February

>>61513398
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA1DS5R14215

good ratings on newegg, very cheap. I experimented with getting SMART data too, which seems to sort of work, though I havent tested it extensively yet.

>>61513051
ikr? Every experimenter should have a handful of these little boost and buck converters around.

>>61513506
You couldn't go too far wrong if you /diy/ed a plexiglas shield on spacers with a small fan or two. How's your temps?

Video killed the radio star

>>61513543
You linked the 3.5inch ones by accident? Anyway thanks, getting the adaptors and a case for equivalent of $8 in the is hard and I need to start my data hoarding back up.

>>61513710
>You linked the 3.5inch ones by accident?
yep, sorry about that

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0VN-0003-000Z5

>>61510165
I used eSATA from 2006 until I switched to USB3 in 2011
back then 2.5" drive capacity was too small and USB was too slow for VMs

>>61510165
i have that port on my laptop. never used it

Any external SUB-C enclosures or docks that can power a 3.5" HDD?

>>61513893
see
>>61512827
I know this doesnt fully answer your question, as that includes the drive as well, when you are asking about just the enclosure

>>61514000
shits expensive

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>>61510165

no one stocked the cables op

i remember i had a laptop and bought a WD drive that had esata and i went to the computer shop and specifically asked for a cable and they didnt have one

if they didnt jew out on the cable and include it with external HDD's it would be more popular

its totally irrelevant - i have a greater neeed for mini firewire 400 than bloody esata

>>61513100
are you a leftycuck?

>>61510165
USB 3.0.

Are you seriously asking that question?

>>61514830
what do you mean?

>>61511691
You can't just call everything you don't like a botnet.

>>61515050
see
>>61512363
>>61512184
>>61512062

>>61512904
>A 5V to 12V converter would be as big as a power brick
Are you retarded

ESATA required setup most of the time to be properly hot swappable and most prebuilt oem or builders were too fucking retarded to use it so they used usb 2.0 out of laziness/compatibility, now USB 3.0 is still worse than esata but nobody gives a shit.

My motherboard's E-sata didn't support multidrives so I had to get another PCI-E expansion card that could.

Threw all that away after years of headaches and just use a USB 3.0 *8 drive bay and been happy since.

>>61512568
Fucking hell

>>61515050
technically it's a bot bus, but whatever

It was the answer to a question nobody really asked

>>61510805
Thunderbolt is an Intel technology tho. Apple are the ones pushing it.

>>61510198
Good work

The HDMISIS caliphate.

>>61510440
Are you implying that windows killed eSATA?

>>61512695
>3.5" hard-disks generally require 12V, in addition to 5V
Why not 17 v?