/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Help me /g/
I have preordered a gtx 1060 from amazon however I have no idea when it will be in stock, it might be next month, maybe in 3 months, maybe in 1 year.
There is a used very good condition GPU (only some cosmetic wear) with 30 days return, I am thinking of getting it and returning it on 25th day and re-preorder a new one, but I am afraid that they will restock the GPUs before I return the used one resulting in price spiking and me being unable to buy one.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfNMn7RWgLw

>>61488062
Just buy a 1080, you fukin pleb

>>61487725
Is that Certified JewJizz™ ?

What's the budget choice no-pwm 120mm chassis fan?

do I need to buy a fan for a build with a Ryzen 5 1400 and a gtx 1050ti ? Both of them come with their fans obviously and my case (Corsair Carbide SPEC-02) comes with its fans as well

any reason to get an optical drive in this day and age

>>61488083
What kind of cooler would I need to overclock a 1600 to 4ghz

does OCing a 1600 void its warranty? I'd assume so but the disclaimer you get when launching ryzen master doesn't say it directly.

>>61488364
i'd guess any 30-40$ cooler would handle it nicely, but that's not the problem. you pretty much have to win the silicon lottery to get r5 1600 OC to 4.0 without crazy voltage and you'd need good enough VRMs on your motherboard to not fry it.

>>61488083
>200$ r5 @ 4.0 performs the same as 400$ 7800x @ 4.7
the power of intel everyone

>>61488255
You can add some more case fans if you want
But thats completely optional

Thanks to whoever gave me advice on the RAM for the Asrock AB350M Pro4. I actually just had to re-seat the ram into slots A2 and B2 and then the XMP just werk'd, running 3200mhz easily now.

Looking to start a new build in the new few months. As someone with no interest in streaming what would the benifits be of a Ryzen over a similarly priced i5/i7? Is it just a meme?

>>61489532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMGOq_PbVQ
Streaming is real-time video-encoding, video encoding scales from a fuckton amount of cores
The benefits in your case would be your CPU not shitting the bed while playing CPU intensives games & streaming at the same time

r8 my build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-mxjYkllw

>>61488364
Stock cooler

>>61489619
This poster is trolling.

>>61489619
It's possible, but not a viable long term solution I'd say.
I've gotten mine to 4.0 with the stock cooler, but it gets toasty quick.

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Considering getting these parts to upgrade my rig: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/87cB3F
anything that could be improved?

>find gtx 1060 6gb at 280
>check 5 mins later and its at 310
STOP

>>61489737
gotta love them miners

>>61489730
>wincuck 10
>only 1 tb

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Should I invest in a monitor wall mount?

>>61489815
I have another hard drive at 1tb as well that I will add as well and I am just going to use my old graphics card that I got last year.

>>61489730
2TB HDD
Higher end board (doesn't have to be much more expensive)
Faster RAM

>>61489730
get rid of Windows and get spend that money on 3200MHz ryzen-certified ram. It's well worth it.

>>61488364
Some 30-50€ cooler I guess
Or stick with the stock one and clock it to about 3.7Ghz

>>61490051
>>61490008
Thanks! I look into it, anything in particular?

>>61490070
hm, there's a thread on leddit which ranks the memory, can't find it at the moment though.

>>61487725
Where can I get a case with usb 2.0 front ports.

I'm gonna put all my parts together today lads. I'm very excited. I don't wanna pay anymore than I have to, so I'm formatting the hardrive on my toaster (1TB), and plan to also format my optical drive as well. Though, I'm unsure how to do it. I'm using Win 7. Thanks for the help

Hi, is worth today to use ssd as primary drive, for system and games? im worried about lifespan, like it will last 2 years or less.
can someone provide me a nice guide trough ssds?
Cheers!

>>61490201
While in 2012 and 2013 you'd actually compare between the SSDs, like MLC and SLC and other stuff.
But today, eh, every single one is pretty much the same. I can recommend Samsung stuff, my 830 series SSD has worked since 2012 and it's still my primary drive for the OS and maybe one or two games.

So looking at getting a 144hz monitor, one is on sale. I currently have a i5 4670K and a GTX 760. Is this enough to run it? It would mainly be for csgo, but some other games as well. Nothing very new, most games I play are at least a few years old.

>>61490126
NZXT S210 has 2x2.0

>>61490070
got it, here it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

I think it should be included in the OP to clear out any questions about ryzen and it's RAM compatibility.

>>61490311
1080p@144hz on a 760? if you drop settings to medium and truly play nothing too new (read: basically nothing released after 2014) you should be ok

>>61488516
Probably yes, but they have no way of knowing you did it.

>>61490353
Yeah 1080p. I play csgo on low settings already, get like 150-200 fps.

>be eurocuck
>1080 back at 600€
>1070 back at 500€
>1060 now 300€
>1050 Ti now 200€
Cryptomining should be criminalized. Tbh i think about selling my PC, still have a very good laptop for work and get a console for gaming.
The GPU market is fucked forever and nobody cares, fuck this, you don't want my money? Fine, Sony will take it.

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just built my first last night /g/, only issue I've run into is the temp of my CPU; it's way high.

I turned off the auto overclock which helped a little but it still ranges between 70 and 98 degrees C. I'm just using the stock intel cooler with very old thermal paste, would replacing the cooler help, or could it be something worse?

>>61490579
yes, replace cooler and thermal paste

noob here. Just put together my first pc and it boots up but then i run into a problem. My monitor acknowledges it is plugged into the computer but when i boot it up nothing appears. just a black screen. hyelp.

>>61490773
does your CPU have graphics integrated into it? if no, are you plugging the monitor into your GPU and not your motherboard?

>>61490773
Do you currently have it plugged into a video card? Try plugging directly into the motherboard. If it works update video drivers and make sure it is set as your default display in bios.

I want to do a media build for my living room for when I have comapany over (watching streams, movies and playing music). Here's what I came up with, any suggestions?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BQH4f8
Also, any recommendations on a BR capable optical drive?

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>>61487725
About to pull the trigger on this build. Why does logical increments recommend intel cards for this price range? Should I go with them?

is a 1080 ti overkill for 1440p 60hz?

>>61490844
Yes

>>61490815
>buying a 3GHz CPU in 2017
amdfags are a joke

>>61490844
Got a 1440p 144Hz monitor myself with a 1080Ti, I'd say yes unless you have autism. My CPU tends to run out of breath before my GPU in most games.

>>61490799
>>61490806
i have tried both video card and motherboard, there are integrated graphics and neither work. i dont understand how to update video drivers if i cant see what is happening in the computer

>>61490877
not them but what CPU you got and does it 144 Hz 1440p gaymen?

>>61490893
Tried different cable types?

>>61490906
3770K at 4.8.

>does it 144 Hz 1440p gaymen
wat

>>61489532
more applications being multithreaded so it would most likely last longer than intel, and it's cheaper for the same performance.

>>61489745
they're still going at it? fuck

>>61490920
i only have a dvi to hdmi cable

>>61490868
you can get x370 mobo for almost the same price.
you can get 3200mhz ram for same price.
you can get a 1080 for around $500.

>>61490937
pls no bulli

>>61490967
I can't find any 1080s in stock for less than 560. Where do you find them?

>>61491000
almost 500

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&page=1

Have 8gb of DDR3 at the moment, when i go for a new build would it be worth it to to just get new DDR4, or would 16gb of DDR3 be alright?

>>61491018
would your cpu/mobo support it, start there

>>61491018
you'd be a fucking moron if you would buy a new CPU/mobo and try to use DDR3.

>>61491018
You'll probably be limited by whatever CPU/mobo setup you go with anyway, not like you can run DDR3 with Ryzen or Baby Lake.

>>61490967
Also I know nothing about mobos, what benefit is x370?

>>61491126
SLI, apparently better for overclocking than the b350 (which also supports OCing)

thoughts on this build, anons?

http://i.imgur.com/r3ZJSo1.png

point is to make a small, silent PC to be used for a Linux Debian

please critique my build

>>61491853
first, coolermaster are shit at everything. get a superflower, seasonic or even evga psu as opposed to those.
second, make sure the mobo is compatible. some 100 chipset mobos can run kabylakes but it must be stated (ASRock's H110M R3.0 can run them, the key is the R3.0) otherwise it wont match
third, the RAM is for laptops. get normal RAM and you're good

>>61492118
>coolermaster are shit at everything
Rude.

>>61491853
But yes, get a EVGA, Seasonic or Silverstone PSU instead.

>>61491853
Looks Ok but are you sure that the mainboard needs notebook ram modules? Also a new Intel cpu needs an up to date bios on a 110 chipset, not guaranteed to come with that from the factory.

>>61492118
thank you <3

>>61492141
>>61492118
Actually I think I goofed... the motherboard won't support that CPU... also the RAM is wrong...

I am trying to build a mini itx, silent PC, with 8gb ram and 500gb ssd

maybe I could buy another cpu ... what do you recommend? I will run 5 or 6 tasks at the same time but they're not very cpu intensive

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I'm putting together a ryzen pc and want to use my win7 key from my laptop that's dying a death by a thousand cuts; will this require me calling ms and bullshitting them? I will be doing a fresh install.

Why no i5s unless discounted?

>>61487725
Will a core 2 quad paired wil 16 GB of ddr2 and a gtx 9050 be a bottle neck?

>>61492164
you don't need to buy another CPU, just find a 200 chipset motherboard since the G4560 works with those. one i know of is MSI B250i Pro
>>61492220
ryzen is kinda fucky on win7. read up on that first

>>61492221
Quickly becoming obsolete.

>>61492241
Oh that's interesting. In what sense? Compared to Ryzen R5s?

>>61492275
Let's stay focused guys

>>61492275
4cores and 4threads really makes them not optimal nowadays when a game with nothing else on gets pretty taxing on the CPU (think 80% usage), and when you consider most gaymers will use voip or something else in the bg it gets pretty bad for i5s
and then you have people who do productivity tasks with their PCs and the ryzens completely shit down intel's throats as if it were a street in that regard.

>>61492292
It's relevant - I was considering whether to build an i5 or Ryzen r3/5 - I'd like to know why I shouldn't go i5

>>61492332
literally not answering the question.

>>61492326
Haha I now understand. Thank you wise Senpai

>>61487725
My ddr2 motherboard only has 2 slots. Is there a way to install more that 4 GB of ram? I can't fine any sort of 4GB dimm thats ddr2.

>>61488572
What B350M motherboard would be good enough for a 3.7 - 3.9 GHz OC?

>>61492336
Literally no idea what you're talking about. Peace be with you brothers and sisters of /g/

>>61492220
I used my old Win 7 key to activate a fresh install of Win 10.

>>61492332
What are you planning on using the system for?

If games, you could make the case for the i5, for anything else just go Ryzen. As much as the Ryzen shills would like you to believe otherwise, it isn't as good in most games as an i5/i7.

>inb4 people posting graphs where the i7 does 300fps and ryzen 200fps and people saying 'DURR DO YOU REALLY NEED 300FPS THOUGH???', or posting cherrypicked examples of games released in the last 6 months where Ryzen is equal to Intel.

What is the most compact and comfy micro ATX case on the market that won't cause a house fire? I have limited space and don't need multiple bays or expansion slots.

>>61490070
>>61490120
Got you covered
Just discovered it myself today, pretty useful
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/
But Samsung B-die isnt too important anymore
My Hynix M-die single rank runs out of the box at 3200Mhz by just turning on XMP
But I'm running at 2933Mhz because the increased SOC voltage required for 3200 increases power consumption by quite a bit

Samsung B-die dual rank would be best, but don't spend too much on RAM

>>61492357
You cant find it because it doesn't exist

>>61492474
fug. I figured so.

>>61490815
What EVGA PSU is that?
G2 or G3 would be best (or any other super flower rebrand)
GQ is also fine
The rest is mediocre to shit

>>61492456
Mostly productivity and work (SQL server, VMs etc...), along with some mid-spec gaming on the side. So I guess 6 core R5 would be the better choice?

>>61490815
Looks solid

>>61492465
How do you find out what die your RAM has?

I have some Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD16GX4M2A2666C15 rev. 3.21 and can't find any info on them. Best I can get them to run at is 3066 14CL, which is fine with me, but I'm just curious what they are.

>>61492496
>So I guess 6 core R5 would be the better choice?
Yep, by far.

>>61492496
yes.

>>61492509
you have to take off the heatspreader and look at the chips

>>61492488
>G2 or G3 would be best
>not T2
Are you trying to say he's poor?

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>>61492509
There is a program called Thaiphoon
Just download the free version and read one of your modules

Goddamnit I need some help. Fucking Windows 10 automatically made a huge update and now my desktop is fucked. When I log in now my desktop becomes unresponsive and my mouse disappears when I hover into it. When I right click on the desktop with my invisible mouse, it forces the desktop to restart. Explorer.exe I believe. When I hove the mouse over the start menu, I just get an endless loading icon that doesn't let me do anything.

What the fuck man?

>>61492521
Thank you anon

>>61492456
>i7 does 300fps and ryzen 200fps
More like 300 vs 280

>>61492465
Interesting. If I set my ram above 2400mhz it takes 20+ seconds to POST and I get BSODs. On 1.0.0.6a bios with ram from my mobos approved list.

>>61492560
Except you know that simply isn't true Ryzentard.

>>61492563
Board?

>>61487725
What advantages does the core 2 extreme have over the core 2 quad. Just higher clock speed?

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>>61492586
yeah because it's even closer

>>61492464
Fractal Design Define Nano is pretty comfy.

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>>61492540
Thanks, bruh.

Guess they're Micron B-die, dual rank.

>>61492592
asrock ab350 pro 4

ram is F4-3600C16D-16GVK

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>>61492608
Oy vey delid this

>>61492464
carbide 400c has no drive bays but i dont know if they have a mini version of it

fractal define nano, define C

>>61492618
Thanks bruh, I agree. Also still quite large tho? But very lovely. Can you recommend anything more compact?

>>61492488
It's a GQ. What makes g2 and g3 good?

How long will the current Ryzen CPU socket form factor last before AMD change the design and render the current gem obselete?

>>61492235
>>61492118
what about the Asrock H110M-STX ?

>>61492667
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?CompareItemList=7%7C11%2D352%2D047%5E11%2D352%2D047%2C11%2D133%2D274%5E11%2D133%2D274

>>61492704
until DDR5 RAM which is several years away

>>61492667
inwin 301

look to buy a 144hz monitor and a ssd, should i wait for black friday?

>>61492776
can you wait? up to you really.

>>61490868
It OCs to 4, but you knew that already.

I've been asked to build an office computer for basic inventory management and ordering and basic web browsing. They only want to spend $500, and they want it to last 5+ years. Any suggestions for CPU? I've never built a low/medium spec computer before.

>>61492764
Like the inwin but not a massive fan of the front panel

Here's my build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K7MCXH
My budget is flexible, but I'd like to go even cheaper, as long as the performance doesn't take a hit. I already have a PSU and the OS installed in a HDD. I'd like to be able to run newer games like battlefield 1 at 60fps, ultra or high is fine. So is there anything else I need, more fans or something?

>>61492726
The core feels like it's been around too long but the 804 is delicious. Not sure if it looks a bit too much like a box tho??

>>61492849
If you slowly buy parts over time you can get pretty good deals. My R5 1600 was only $175 back in April already.

>>61492842
You can't go for AMD cause no iGPUs. A locked i5 perhaps? You could consider prebuilts as well, they're not too bad at that price point.

>>61492811

I just really wanna try out 144hz, my friend got one for csgo and he said it was a huge difference from 60hz

Does anyone have the Define R5? Is there any harm in using the "hidden" SSD bays behind the MOBO? I'd like to be able to remove both HDD racks.

>>61492842
Ryzen 1400 + dirt cheap GPU

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I might build a new gaming rig in the future.

This is when:
- Competition brings down the price of 4K monitors even further.
- A single high-end graphics card can run most games at 60FPS on a 4K monitor. Currently a 1080Ti on 4K can easily get over 30FPS on most games with the highest settings, but it would take two of them to top 60FPS.
- New games having 4K support at release becomes common (unless it already is).

It's been many years since I've built a gaming rig, I'm still on Sandy Bridge.

Suppose I were to build one now. Would these parts be a good choice?

CPU: i7-7700K
RAM: 2x4GB dual channel 2400MHz DDR4
Motherboard: micro-ATX, cheapest one with Z270 chipset and all the features I need
Graphics card: GTX 1080Ti non-reference (cheapest Gigabyte model with 3 fans)
PSU: 650W full-modular 80+ gold PSU
Case: probably a Corsair micro-ATX, I've had no problems with them in the past
CPU cooler: AIO water cooler (probably Corsair again)
Case fans: Noctua ugly brown colour all the way!
Storage: M.2 NVMe SSD for OS, 2.5" SSD for everything else
4K Monitor: TN 1ms (faster response times) 28" DisplayPort 1.4 support and I don't know what other specs are important with monitors!

I'm not interested in having more than one graphics card, which is why I will probably wait for better ones in the future.

>>61492849
Your SSD doesn't have RAM.
Pick up one that does.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RzfmP6/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311120rb
You can pick up a single stick of 8GB RAM (that is faster than 2400) and upgrade to another identical stick later for 16GB. 16GB and dual channel isn't needed if you want to shave something off.
You can always go lower on the case, but that's really your preference. You certainly don't need a mid-tower. I'd recommend this as a cheap, solid mATX, but cases can be subjective.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qBkD4D/silverstone-case-ps08b

>>61492925
It might have higher temps when located there and could lower the life of the SSD.

I was thinking about buying that case

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Are case fans a meme or should consider investing in some quality fans. Someone gave me a H440 (v2) which has a bit more ventilation and a fan hub but the hub only supports 3 pin. I heard that the stock fans are noisy, anything would be an upgrade.
I also haven't built a PC in over half a decade, so I'm behind on optimal fan placement.

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>>61492164
>>61492141
>>61491853
Okay now I'm home I cana actually do this properly. First of all why are you posting an imgur link on an image board? You can just upload it or even better, read the sticky and do it with pcpp.
The H110 motherboard is okay but Intel Kaby Lake CPUs need a bios update and for the bios update you need an older Intel cpu.
Because of my neighourly love I did it for you with updated parts. Don't look for at the cost too much because pcpp doesn't seem to deal with french shops (assuming you even are from France and not somewhere in Africe or Canada lol) that well, most things don't even have a price. Especially the PSU is really expensive, but it's fully modular at least.

>>61492704
AM4 is going to be supported until DDR5 appears, that's ~4 years

in fact, all current AMD sockets will be supported until then

Got this gtx 1070 intel i7 6700k 16 gb ram 1tb hd 250 gb sd pre-built pc for 1000 buck. Can pcbg fags even compete with this

>>61492966
Then I'll put it in a regular bay, thanks.

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>>61493012
Pic related

>>61492894
Yeah I was planning on doing that because of the current prices of GPUs
>>61492952
Thanks m8 I didn't even think of that, as for the case I kind of wanted a white build with contrasting colors, but the MSI RX 580 has an ugly red design, so I guess I have to go along with it.

>>61493028

>carpet

Any good mATX AM4 socket motherboards?

M.2 slot a plus but not required.

>>61493038
The fan is on the top. So is it being on the carpet still a problem

>>61493035
>I kind of wanted a white build with contrasting colors
They have a white variant as well, though $5 more.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DhCwrH/silverstone-case-ps08w

>>61492894
that only works if you already have the core system and is upgrading.

if you're buying a whole new system one piece at a time, by the time you have your full system there will be something better for the same price, and you will not have been able to even use it for half the time.

>>61492849
Ryzen really likes fast ram. Get at least 3000Mhz, it's not even that much more expensive and you get a huge boost.

Would not recommend an SSD under 250GB these days cus they're not much more expensive.

>>61492904
It IS a huge difference. Go to a store or test your friend's.

>>61492947
this is retarded when you can get a cheap intel pentium G with integrated gpu for much cheaper.

>>61492902
>i5
>for web browsing and inventory management
lel

>>61492842
see above

>>61492925
fucktons of companies use the same why would it do any harm?

>>61492951
no, you can get same performance for cheaper with AMD CPU, and your RAM is slow, AIO coolers are overrated.
and you need to stop being a corsair fanboi and do some more research on cases.

>>61492951
>RAM: 2x4GB dual channel 2400MHz DDR4
Get 2x8 instead, you'll be able to use them for a long time. Might bump up the speed to 3200 mhz as well.
>New games having 4K support at release becomes common (unless it already is).
Games do support 4k already. Where did you get the idea that they woudnt? It's just a resolution in the options menu, nothing special.

>>61493038
Americans seem to fancy it for some reason. Never understood the appeal. But then they wear shoes indoors as well.

>>61493050
I have Gigabyte AB360M Gaming 3 and don't have any complaints about it. It's relatively cheap and has m.2 slot as well. Dual PCIe x16 slots as well.

>>61493021
>>61492925
>>61492966
I doubt you'll have any overheating problems with an SSD, they run pretty cool. Give it a try and monitor the temperatures for a while if you're sceptic.

>>61492976
just use the fucking stock cooler.
and why buy a mobo that's more expensive than the cpu?
and your ram is shit slow.

>>61493028
>>61493012
fuck of this isnt a bragging thread

>>61493128
because he wanted a quiet pc, also who cares about slow ram on a fucking pentium. Mobo was the cheapest french one with B250 chipset.

>>61493119
>Americans seem to fancy it for some reason. Never understood the appeal. But then they wear shoes indoors as well.
which makes even less sense since it will be harder to clean a carpeted floor if you get shit all over it from your shoes

>>61493148
he doesnt NEED a b250 chipset.
it's a pentium g it doesnt even need 3rd party cooling to stay quiet unless you run fucking intel burn test or something.

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>>61493128
>"your ram is shit slow"
>Motherboard doesn't support more than 2400

>>61493012

Sell the 1070 to a cryptofuck while it's still overpriced, grab an upgrade.

>>61493119
im the guy who posted that pc ; i never ever wear my shoes indoors . stereotypes arent always true ; and my carpet is always clean ; i vacuum it every weak

Should I buy it?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/bYL9HN

It's about $1593 tax included.

>>61493007
So I could buy a R3 now/soon and upgrade to a R5/7 in 3 years without any problem?

>>61493190
wew no need to be rude. Sure he doesn't NEED it but nobody needs anything when you look at it hard enough really. At this point every board should come witht the new bios but why risk it and let this guy sit there without a way to start up his build, assuming he doesn't have a Skylake laying around? Also it comes with wifi which might be nice for him, not sure if his original board did.
The point of the Noctua was to make it quieter, not neccessarily cooler. Of course you are right, the stock cooler is fine. I replaced mine with the Noctua one in my mITX build and I'm happy (G4620 tho, I wanted the better graphics and it was on sale anyway).

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>>61488062
>Cosmetic wear on something that rarely leaves the case

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/Xsc4f8

How good/bad this is ?
Any way to make it cheaper ? I'm on a really tight budget and that is already over my limit

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off topic question
does it look like my battery is going kaput?

>>61493271
>Actually, literally buying a 1060
lol. Stick with a 1080, maybe 1070. It's terribad value.
Maybe get 16GB of RAM, or at least a single 8GB stick now so you won't be locked into 16GB max down the road, depending on how long you will keep the machine.
I would also get a better PSU. The model you chose isn't the worst, but you should invest more at $1600.

>>61493297
yes, but if you can afford it, buy the zen2 or zen3 version in the future, it will have higher IPC and clocks

>>61493356
When is zen2/3 incoming? I need to build a PC in the next month before I kill my laptop with my fist :D

>>61493297
yes

>>61493271
change mobo to a b350 for around $100 with NVMe slot and swap that SSD to NVMe and ditch the HDD unless you have tons of shit already you need to store, it's one of the easiest things to add later. Also 2TB drives are going for just $10-20 more. 1TB drives are terrible value these days.
gtx 1060 is shit, also AMD Vega being released next month should force Nvidia to react if you're a fanboi.
Get a modular Gold rated PSU.

Hello! I'm currently using a budget pc and I seem to run Overwatch at a pretty shitty fps; It flows between 15/20-40fps. I'm thinking of getting an upgrade, but I can only afford to upgrade one part, so I need your guys' help to decide which is more important in this case and which I should get earlier, and maybe a cheaper option for what I'm going for.

My processor is an AMD A6-6400K which is a dual core and it sucks
My graphics card is a GTX 650 2gb.

For the cpu I think I might be going for an Intel Core i5 7600K, and for my graphics card I think I'm going for a GTX 1060 3gb. Which should I upgrade to ensure I get at least a smooth 30fps experience on overwatch, and are there any cheaper alternatives that are just as good, or even better?

>>61493336
>113€ in mouse + keyboard + mousepad
No wonder your build is so expensive, you could get a much better CPU if you didn't spend that much in there

>>61493336
drop the HDD and get an SSD.
sell your ram and get at least 3000Mhz RAM for Ryzen.
is the keyboard mechanics? if not it's overpriced.

>>61493396
>zen1 was just released
idiot

>>61493413
>has AMD CPU
>can only upgrade one part
>thinking of buying intel CPU
yeah good luck with that.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhvb9W

How does this look? I'm upgrading from a 7 year old laptop, so I don't mind if it's not top of the line, I just want something solid and future proof (I plan to add ram and a better gpu in a year or two). I plan to add the ssd (samsung 840pro) that's in my laptop atm, so I've got that covered.

Any ideas on what to improve are most welcome.

>>61493413
>cpu I think I might be going for an Intel Core i5 7600K,
That's a bad idea, at that performance level you'd be better off going for an R5 1600.

>>61493396
zen2 only next year

my point is that you can buy a r5 or r3 now (soon) and then upgrade to something better when it gets released without the need for a new motherboard

>>61488364
the stock cooler

>>61493336
Get a single 8GB stick to not lock yourself into having only 8GB down the road. You have only 2x RAM slots. Think about faster RAM but not required.
Cheap out on your case. It's mATX anyway, and you're overbudget.
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/f9xfrH/zalman-case-zmt4

>>61493451
it's marked as already purchased you tard

>>61493465
get 2x4GB 3000mhz+ ram.
get an SSD instead. also 1TB drives are shit value since you can get 2TB for $10 more.

>>61493472
>get 1x8 stick
or just get a mobo that's not fucking shit and has 4 dimm slots

>>61493466
read the rest of his post, he's only upgrading one thing at a time and wants to switch from amd to intel... it's shit bait post

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Post meme heat sinks / coolers below

>>61493458
What do you mean "good luck with that"?

>>61493466
How come?

>>61493472
m.2 does not always mean NVMe, dipshit

>>61493514
>it's marked as already purchased you tard
No you massive autist, when something is already purchased on pcpartpicker tehre is a big "(PURCHASED)" along side, what he did was just indicate the price of the components
I don't get why you would act smug if you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You really have to be fucking stupid to act like that.

>>61493532
>what do you mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket

>>61493551
well shit im retarded i need stop taking long breaks from these threads

>>61493532
New CPU means new motherboard and for newer gen CPU it also means new RAM

>>61493514
>get 2x4GB 3000mhz+ ram.
>get an SSD instead. also 1TB drives are shit value since you can get 2TB for $10 more.

You're right on the 2TB. I said I have an ssd, so I just wanted something for extra storage.

2x4gb sticks are not available to me, at least not at 3000. I can get 2x8, but that's a bit out of my price range. Is the ram speed really a deal breaker?

>>61493580
>2x4gb sticks are not available to me
>the most common kit of RAM is not available
buy from a different site that does have them then

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>>61493409
>>61493348
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/C3WfzM
How is it now?
I want to be able to play Wii U games on Cemu and PS3 games like Persona 5 on PCSX3 once they're fully operating.
About $2000 after tax

>>61489574
He said "someone with no interest in streaming" YOU FUCKING IDIOT

>>61493626
Sorry, i didn't expect someone stupid enough to state in his post the things he does NOT do instead of the things he does with his computer. I saw streaming and immediately thought he would do streaming.

>>61493603
>buy from a different site that does have them then

I'm in the fucking balkans. There are literally 4 shops that sell pc parts. None of them have 2x4x3000.

What will I gain from faster ram? Are the performance gains that big? One of the stores has HX430C15SBK2/8, but currently out of stock. Then again, it's not on the QVL list.

>>61493605
that mobo only has 2 dimm slots.
are you only going to store media and documents on the hdd, might wanna get 7200RPM if you want to install games on the HDD.
I wouldnt buy any GPU right now until RX Vega is released, it could force Nvidia to drop prices.
Your PSU is still meh.
And have you checked reviews on PC cases? With your budget i wouldnt get such a cheap meh-tier case.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fZGxJV

>>61493691
do they have 1x4GB 3000mhz? can get 2 of those.
Yes, Ryzen loves fast RAM.

Hey guys, I'm looking for a solid motherboard to complete the build above. Build is targeted to be a relatively silent productivity / development / light gaming build. I'm fairly certain about the rest of the parts, but having trouble finding a solid motherboard, as every single one seems to have varying reviews. Currently looking at X370 boards, with the intention of running the RAM @ 3200 Mhz.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ftgngL

Please respond ;_;

>>61493750
When will the RX Vega be released?

>>61493764
what kind of reviews are you looking at, the one on the webshop or actual real reviews from a hardware site?

>>61493767
next month

Hey /g/

I've got a very old gaming PC that I only use for pleb games like Overwatch. I don't have the budget to build a new pc right now, but I'm wondering if picking up a new card that i can transfer to the new build later would be worth it.

This thing has an i7 950 and a gtx 470, would swapping out the 470 for something like a 1070 breathe some life into it or should I just hold off until I can finance an entire build?

>>61493779
both

Webshop: how many dies within a year

hw site: how it actually performs

Is it safe to plug an LED plug native to the case, phantex entho lux (tempered glass), into one of the ports on the motherboard labeled system fan? It fit like a glove, but I don't want to burn out my MB or do any damage to my build. This is my first computer that I've built, so sorry if this is an obvious question.

>>61493811
i'd go with msi they seem to be best at updating their drivers so far

>>61493802
a toaster can run overwatch so i dont think theres much reason to upgrade that, and a 1070 would be overkill for that CPU, plus by the time you go around upgrading the rest of the system there will be cheaper/better alternatives than a 1070 so it'd be just wasting money imho

So I want to upgrade my cpu without having to get a new motherboard. Currently have an i5 4th gen, wanting an i7. Problem is I can't really find anything for the 1150 socket anymore. There are a few i7's, but they are like $400. Most everything is 1151 now.

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why do all gaming peripherals look like gaudy hideous Transformer genitalia?

>>61493894
you have to buy used. there is almost no supply of brand new ones left so the price is skyrocketing

>>61493764
also your PSU is overkill as fuck.

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>>61493901

>>61493750
>Yes, Ryzen loves fast RAM.

But how big is the difference between 2.8 and 3? In terms of real world performance.

>>61493915
Any experienced with buying used? Sounds sketchy af.

How can intel offer the G4560 at that price? Is it OK for Android App development? I just develop Android apps using GNU/Linux and browse 4chan on Firefox, that's it...

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>>61493901
see also

>>61493932
between those just a few % but from 2600mhz to 3200mhz up to 10%

>>61493940
Also please note that I'm poor, in case you would like to suggest alternatives. Should I just wait for Ryzen 3?

How much did it cost to get a 580 in Canada before the price hike?

>>61493938
CPU is one of the safest things to by used.

>>61493949
>>61493926
>>61493901
we get it, you can stop spamming pics now. manchildren likes flashy shit.

>>61493940
because it's rebranded old chip

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>>61493901
this one looks like iron man slept with a bedside table

>>61493983
>because it's rebranded old chip
What chip did it use to be? Is it a Core 2 Duo?

>>61493802
>>61493893

Yea I can run OW even with this build,but I'd like to be able to game with friends on low for newer games (for instance playerunknown battlegrounds where I can't even squeak out 30fps on low)

Would any card upgrade at all be worth it? How about a 1050?

>>61493961
yes

>>61493998
not that old, but some previous generation chip, i dont remember specifically but you can probably google it.

>>61494000
i doubled my FPS going from a c2quad to a 2500k with the same GPU but i dont know what the gap is between your 900 series and mine so i cant say for sure if you'd see as big improvement.

>>61493985
Nah, it looks like a stretched out space marine helmet.

>>61494034
>so i cant say for sure if you'd see as big improvement.
also since the gpu would become the limiting factor if you upgrade cpu.

i guess getting a ryzen 5 would be a decent choice right now if you want to upgrade something and then you can chill until Vega and see what nvidia does

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Where were you when GPU crisis was end?

>>61493915
I know, deliberately. Had one fry a whole system previously, not doing that again.

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Can I go any cheaper without using a USB stick as boot drive?

(Case is a case + PSU combo)

Is RX560 an alright choice if it's only a temporary card while waiting for Vega(TM)? Which one is worth picking if so?

>>61494092
doubt it. also hope ur not gonna install windows.

>>61494105
anything that cost more than €50 is a fucking stupid choice if you're gonna replace it next month

>>61494092
Don't get an SSD on such a cheap build, better get a bigger hard disk. 60 GB are not enough, also a mechanical hard disk will be probably cheaper

>>61494130
It would run Debian with XFCE

>>61494131
>2017

>>61493983
So most of the i7s on ebay are around $200, maybe a few auctions for lower. Is that really worth it for a used cpu? Should I wait to see if prices drop more?

>>61494155
no. you're better off saving up more money and replacing everything

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>>61494077
>Still paying inflated prices

>>61493894
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>>61493119
>I have Gigabyte AB360M Gaming 3 and don't have any complaints about it. It's relatively cheap and has m.2 slot as well. Dual PCIe x16 slots as well.

That's what I was leaning towards. The reviews look good so I'll go with that. Thanks, anon.

>>61494105
No, save that extra money. If you're using Intel, just use Intel HD until Vega. You won't be able to play games on high but it's better than you might think.

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/g/oys, what about the Dell U2515H?

Is still relevant? I saw that they're selling an updated version (HDMI 2.0 + """HDR"""), the U2518D.

Both monitor cost the same on my local Dell store (on Amazon is out of stock...) and I wonder if I should go for the updated model or the "old but gold" one.

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>>61494092
I figured out I can have the Pentium with more cache and 500 mhz / clock more for just 10€ extra investment. I guess it would be a stupid choice to take the Celeron at this point

>>61494229
why not buy some refurbished older generation?

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>>61494166

>>61494229
Ewwwwwwwwww

what he fuck am I looking at

Is spending an extra ten bucks to get 3200 RAM as opposed to 3000 RAM worth it if you're using Ryzen?

>>61492456
recomending an i5 in this day and age even for gaming is cruel. might as well tell them to just buy 4gb of ram for gaming while you're at it.

and this notion that "ryzen isn't good for gaming" is the biggest case of fake news, slander, and lies out there. going out there and putting "ryzen, no good gaming" is putting thoughts into people's head that ryzen can't play any game out there at max setttings and get 100fps. but rather ryzen can only get 15 fps at max settings. you fuckwits are just that, fuckwits.

>>61494259
>>61494265
I just want to have a computer in my bedroom to plug it into the TV. All I'm going to do with it is stream torrents / porn / anime

>>61494271
if you can get it to 3200, sure

>>61494265
modern version of the old poorfag niggbuilds from before /pcbg/ was a thing

>>61494271
just ten bux? i'd do it, but not more than that.

>>61494271
>buy 2667 mhz RAM
>OC to 3200
>????
>profit

>>61494222
I picked up a U2414H from a Goodwill for like $40 and I personally like it. It's got some ghosting if you get really anal and test for it, but it's not noticeable unless you're moving from some high refresh rate gayman monitor.

>>61494288
have fun with that my dude
>>61494294
gg

>>61494288
you can do that with a raspberry pi (or alternative) for less than €50

>>61494292
good point. motherboard needs to support it, not all do yet (tho it's mostly just a matter of them updating BIOS

>>61494296
gotta get the right sticks otherwise it's not guaranteed.

>>61494323
Try to get Samsung B-Die, but it will cost an arm and a leg

>>61494323
>you can do that with a raspberry pi (or alternative) for less than €50
or any old PC for a lot cheaper than €200

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What do people need 8GB of VRAM for?

>>61494323
The Raspberry Pi stutters on 1080p, especially when using peerflix. And then I'm stuck with the crappy OMXPlayer

>>61494346
Video or photo editing, 3d rendering, high resolution gayman.

>>61494346
for ultra maximum high intense blazing fast GAYMNE!

>>61490815
Can you get 3200mhz ram? I would spend the extra money, just triple check your QVL

>>61494361
>(or alternatives)
also see >>61494343

>>61493893
cheers man, I'm worried a bit about MSI VRM issues

>>61494283
>can't read
>calls me a fuckwit
Consider suicide.

>>61494363
>>61494374
So 8GBfags fell for the 4K meme?

>>61494403
but ryzen is just as good for most things.

the only stuff intel shines at is non-threaded stuff like old games and old emulation.

see >>61492608

>>61494306

I'm on a 7 years old Samsung BX2450, it has a 2 ms refresh rate but guess what...the monitor has to be set on super fast mode which generates blue/green ghosts and it is unusable, but apart from that I'm ok with this since I don't use this mode, and I have no ghosting at all, it's a nice monitor but I can't cope anymore with the viewing angle, I want an IPS panel for every purpose.

The U2515H and the U2518D are sold for 460€ (insured shipping included) and the first one can be found from 320 to 400€ on other shops.

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Can someone explain why the mod in this video is dumb?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMl5MNZAt6A

I've asked before and I didn't really get a good answer. All I've heard is that doing this is "retarded". Why? The Fury X is the perfect performance level for me, but I got fucked and got a pre-fix model and the noise is annoying as shit.

>>61494415
Nope

the 144 Hz 1440p

>>61494429
yeah monitor manufacturers are the biggest scammers these days because response time (ms) and refresh rate (hz) doesnt mean shit most of the time and they use weird measurement methods to calculate it.

you need to run shit like ufo-test to confirm it's actually what they say it is.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ky7vyf
will it run?

>>61494470
yes but why are you buying windows, and an old version on top of that?

>>61494470
Please remove Win 8 and it will blend

>>61494425
>'could make the case for'
>a recommendation
Again learn to read. There's a reason I asked the guys usage scenario. If he was building a system only to play older single-threaded titles recommending Ryzen would be retarded, if he is doing productivity work then an i5 would be retarded. Not everyone plays the latest AAA 2017 games, and not everyone builds a system for rendering work.

>>61494470
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ky7vyf
it will walk at best

What PSU brands are /g/ approved?

>>61494506
>implying samefag

and i read that part and is not what i replied to, i replied to this
> As much as the Ryzen shills would like you to believe otherwise, it isn't as good in most games as an i5/i7.

which is just a fat flat out lie as you can see in the screenshot i linked

>>61494526
EVGA G2 or G3

>>61494526
psu ranking are jew memes
just buy the W you need and you will be fine

>>61494526
ignore brands, only models matter.

jonnyguru.com

>>61494549
yes, please buy diablotek unit and let us know how that goes

>>61494495
>>61494487
win 7 runs wont be updated in 3 years and 10 makes me paranoid
>>61494524
what's wrong with it

>>61494526
EVGA, Seasonic and Silverstone are usually solid. Corsair sometimes gets a pass depending on what model.

>>61494549
kek

>>61494563
- runs
why did I type that

>>61494563
It looks fine, just make sure that ram is compatible (on the QVL).

>>61494585
>corsair sometimes
most of the time, it's just the CX series that's shit compared to their other lines.

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>>61494538
Pretty boring arguing with Ryzen shills, it's always the same thing.

You linked to a benchmark which shows the Intel platform consistently outperforming the AMD one. If someone was gaming, and gaming alone, obviously it would make sense to buy Intel.

There is literally no counter argument to this. DO NOT reply to my post because I will not be reading it, simply get off my board and do not return.

>>61494620
pretty boring arguing with intel shills they always ignore the price difference and that it's just a % difference in performance while ryzen is much cheaper

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I have an am3+ mb what are my best choices

>>61494658
Suicide.

>>61494658
sell it and buy ryzen

>>61494658
FX-6300

>>61494658
fug i meant what is good cpu

>>61494658
Phenom II, get a nice 8 core, smash 16 gb cheap DDR3 RAM on it and enjoy

>>61494658
put your cum on it to run as fast as AM4 with 7700k single thread performance

>>61494665
>>61494666
>>61494684
AM3 is a perfectly usable platform for most use cases, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>61494562
I have been using VS series for 3+ years without any problems.

>>61494708
what do you mean, my comment was innovative and quite a good deal of advice for mr. anonymous with the confused frog there.

>>61494658
A used 6300 are bretty cheap nowadays. But I wouldmt stick with it, even the newer pentiums are better than the FX cpus.

>>61494730
I mean that an AM3+ with an FX-8350, 16 GB RAM and a nice SSD is much more computing power than 90% of /g/ would actually need.

>>61494375
Yeah definitely.

>>61494746
>even the newer pentiums are better than the FX cpus.
source? Possibly not showing just a single-core benchmark?

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thanks for the bullying /g/ never change

>>61494786
FUCK YOU

>>61494749
kys

>>61494849
i didn't see the bullying but considering how you act, no wonder you were bullied.

Got a SSD recently. What's the best way to transfer my OS from my HDD to it?

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Stupid question:

I'm building a PC soon for the first time in 10 years or so...

It's purely for content production, no gaming at all. Thought I could go without a graphics card, but obviously I need one to drive my 4K monitor. (Do I?)

What's a good/cheap card that will serve this purpose? I basically just need something I can plug my monitor in.

>>61494928
live linux distro

>>61494952
I would actually like to play vidya, thank you very much.

>>61494974
did i tell you to install a linux distro? fucking retard.

>>61494935
get the rx 550, as far as I know it's cheap as dirt and has a DP and hdmi out with support for 4k

>>61492372
3.7 doesn't even need voltage change so any mobo is okay
ASRock B350M is good for 3.9 if you have a decent cooler.

>>61494000
1050 is fine if that's your budget but you'd get a big jump going to a RX 470/570 for a bit more money

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2KDJ4C
How's this for short term usage until I upgrade the cpu, gpu and ram? Will it get playable FPS (at least on par with console) on medium settings at 1080?

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>>61495144
Exactly what I was looking for. You saved an old man some hassle today. Thanks Anon!

>>61494974
holy shit top kek you absolute retard

>>61495227
Why the fuck would you spend $700 on something you aren't going to keep? Why don't you kill yourself?

>>61494974
Fucking lmaoing at this.

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>>61494597
the ram is ddr4-3000. does this mean it's incompatible since it isnt on the list. the part checker said it was compatible.

>>61495275
I am noob at this but I am pretty sure it will be downclocked to 2933

>>61495275
It will work but will run at one of those speeds, which is fine.

>>61495241
The only parts that won't be staying are the cpu and gpu, and I'm going to give them to my brother. I'd just wait all together but my rig got trashed recently and I've been stuck with just a shitty laptop.

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How likely is it that i'm gonna need more ram?

I usually have quite a few photoshop tabs open, plus firefox and gamemaker.

I haven't noticed any slow-down yet but I only built this a couple weeks ago.

memory is kinda expensive in the UK at the moment.

>>61495403
I wouldn't worry too much about it at the moment.

>>61495343
it's still retarded and i wouldnt want to be your brother cus that's a shit pc and wont last long

>>61495403
not very. also i hope you just put one stick in the wrong slot otherwise you're a dumb fuck

>>61495447
>i hope you just put one stick in the wrong slot otherwise you're a dumb fuck
?

>>61495511
>single channel

>>61495511
>>61495523
also your timings are shit i bet you havent turned on xmp

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>tfw I bought a seasonic fanless psu to put inside a define mini c

I am not a clever man.

>>61495590
isnt the psu bottom mounted in that so it wouldnt matter anyway. get a fan in the top or back to suck out air.

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Hey /g/, attached is my first ever build from 2014. Has been a solid first rig for all this time, but wanting to upgrade. Looking at a 1070/1080 gpu, but have no clue about cpu's. Want more ram and perhaps(?)a new motherboard because I fucked up and got a mini-motherboard and have always wanted to kill myself because of it but oh well.

Any recommendations? Thanks.

>>61494928
use any hdd cloning software like maricum reflect

>>61495796
gpu prices are fucked right now. your cpu is still solid if you overclocked it (protip: you should).

>>61495837
Oh true? How much longer do you reckon my CPU would hold out for after overclocking. Mainly interested in high end gaming and such atm. Also Yeah, 1080s go for around $850-$950 AUD(Aussie) here lately.. bit insane, but willing to pay I don't knooow. Maybe Will just go for 1070.

>>61490962
might be late but it might be that the monitor doesnt support the resolution that the pc is outputting try a different monitor it might work

>>61495892
doesnt really matter, just keep using it until you notice it becoming slow

thing is RX Vega is coming next month and might upset prices and make nvidia lower theirs to match.

>>61495984
Honestly, no clue what RD Vega is and don't expect you to explain, but that sounds neat. Hope that's the case. Will have to do some research on It! Thanks mate.

>>61495999
AMD's next graphics card for gaming that supposedly is about as fast as a gtx 1080 but costs much less.

>>61496016
Bloody hell, that sounds nice. AND seems to be so well at making high performance at a good cost from what I've heard. When is that RD VEGA estimated to release?

>>61496082
RX*
next month

What kind of discount can I expect for top GPUs (namely 1080 ti) come black friday/cyber monday?

>>61496094
My bad. Oh, sooner than I thought. Guess I'll wait abit then and see how it all goes. Means alot mate, really. Thanks!

What are some good microphones that you guys would recommend?

I will be streaming heavily, so I am looking for more of a unidirectional mic, if that matters.

>>61495590
Is it the 520W? Not sure what the power draw on a RX580 is like but I've killed two of those with a 980Ti, I eventually gave up and just bought a 1000W unit which is passive most of the time anyway unless I do something retarded like run Prime95 and Crysis 3.

Luckily they've got a 7 year warranty so who cares.

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Can I install and run windows without a product key? I just put together my rig, and am strapped for cash, so I'll buy it later if I'm able. I just want an OS I can boot into so that I can find out if I've fucked up or not

>>61496446
yes. also you should just pirate it anyways.

>>61496508
Different anon... I'm very new to pirating, how would I go about pirating windows 10?

>>61496627
not sure if you can still upgrade to 10 from 7 or 8 but if you can, and you have a disc for either of those, just install that then do the upgrade process in windows.

if not, you can get an untouched/unedited ISO from microsoft, install that either by burning a disc or using a USB stick and a program to make the USB bootable and install windows.

then you just get KMSpico or MStoolkit to activate. but i've heard you dont even have to activate it if you're fine with a blank background and a message once in a while, you still get updates and can use it.

make sure you get the activator program from MDL forum or at least crosscheck the hash of the shit you downloaded with the one they list on MDL forum to make sure you're not installing a rootkit

>Order all my stuff from Amazon
>They refuse my order and lock my account unless I FAX them PERSONAL INFORMATION
>Can't find my order on Amazon to cancel, assume its canceled automatically
>Whatever, build out my PC again on Scan
>Check email
>Amazon Order Update
>We are pleased to report that the following item will dispatch sooner than expected
>I'm still locked out of my account
>I have no idea what the fuck is going on anymore
>Can't access HELP on Amazon because my account is locked
I want to fucking die.

>>61496756
create another account?
amazon's customer support is usually really fucking good

>>61496676
>make sure you get the activator program from MDL forum or at least crosscheck the hash of the shit you downloaded with the one they list on MDL forum to make sure you're not installing a rootkit

May I please have some more elaboration? I went onto the My Digital Life forums, but I didn't see anything about the activator program or the hash that they have listed on the forums. Maybe I just didn't look very well, I but I can't find what you're talking about.

>>61496756
call them and tell them to cancel and suck your dick for locking your account

>>61496797
search the names i mentioned

>>61496814
Oh, I just read it wrong. Activator program = KMSpico/MStoolkit.

Thanks for the help!

>>61496770
>We ask that you not open new accounts because any new order that you place may be delayed.

>>61496798
I'm going to do this, but its midnight and it took me a while to find their fucking phone number.
I'm never using Amazon again, because they won't let me.

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Mixed use, intend to take it to another country in the future so size is a concern. Only thing I think I may have goofed up on is PSU. Is this any good?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8jXYFd

>>61497030
buying 1070 now is wasting money. RX vega soon might force prices down.

also if you really want small why not go ITX?

and yeah get a gold rated PSU they're just $20 more

>>61497071
I don't like ITX cases too much, and the rosewill case was a cheap middle of the path route so I'm happy with that. I didn't want to worry about vega since I won't be staying long enough for it to launch and it seems like overkill for my goal: 1080p 60fps half-to-full-decade future proofing. Any recommendations for a good PSU? I already ordered mine like an impatient moron but I could just sell it I guess

>>61497143
alright, just know that you can get a 1080 for only $50 more than the 1070 you have in your list.

also remember to check if you need to change 110/230 Volt when you move

new bread?

>>61496975
The hell were you even doing and what country do you live in?

Amazon has the best customer service as far as online retailers go.

>>61497184
:3