/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Anything on GPU prices?
Already have a 1080, just curious how anons are holding out

Selling my $10 off from Newegg.

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What case should I buy?
Silent or meshy?

>>61467717
How would you want the purchase to be done?

>>61467843
Paypal, gift only so I don't get charged.

>>61467693
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125897

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Planning on placing an order for my gtx 1070 this friday or saturday because I'm an impatient spaz. How long do they take to arrive through express shipping on newegg to >a fucking leaf?

Is the 1060 6 gb worth the extra cash performance/price wise compared to the 3gb version ?

>>61467693
I was sick of waiting, a 1050TI didn't seem too future proof at all (single fan EVGA units being 160$+), and the 1060 3GB cards dont preform all that much better at $240. 6GB 1060s are 399+.

I bought a Sapphire RX 580 4GB in a package deal that came with some kind of garbage fitness tracker that doesnt even have a clock on it for $270USD. Should be arriving tomorrow assuming fedex gets their shit in gear.

>>61468030
The 3GB version is worthless. If you're aiming for the 3GB model... get an RX 570 instead. The extra 1GB vram is worth it.

>>61468094
Hes comparing 3GBs and 6GB 1060s as ts impossible to get a 570/580 unless you do some meme wombo combo on newegg

>>61468129
the 3GB is still worthless. Either get an 1050Ti or skip straight to the 6GB 1060.
It baffles me how the 1050Ti has 4 GB and the nest GPU in nvidias line up has 3GB. like wtf.

>>61467986
Anyone? My goal is to play 1080p 60fps for as long as possible and I think a gtx 1060 might not last nearly as long as the 1070 will. I want to be able to upgrade by simply switching the CPU and not the GPU in the future

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>>61468182
>He doesn't just order a 1080ti off ebay and then claim it was stolen/didn't arrive once it arrives and is tacked to your home

a shop near my place will be selling 1050Ti 4 gb GTXs at 300 ringgit instead of 899.
Should i get it?

>>61468324
forgot to mention its asus strix

ASUS MAXIMUS IX FORMULA vs ASUS ROG MAXIMUS IX EXTREME?

I don't know which I should get. Here's my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L3mGTH

What's a good mini it case for around 50 dollars?

>>61468908
*itx

I posted this last thread but it 404'd before anyone could answer it. Any help?

I have a i7-7700 (non-K). It idles at 39-40 degrees @ 28-29 degrees ambient temperature. Loading with normal programs it pushes it to around 71 degrees while prime95 small fft pushes it to a whooping 91 degrees. I have a 212 LED installed. Is this normal temperatures or did I fuck it up the installation of my CPU cooler somewhere.

>>61468979
What CPU Cooler do you have?

>>61468991
Hyper 212 LED

>>61467522
>>i7 7700k - Only for 144hz
You mean
>for gaming: only Intel
>for anything else: Ryzen

Fucking AMD shills

>>61469008
You can actually game on Ryzen chips, just not 144hz.

>>61469057
If your cpu holds your gpu back enough to not get 100+ hz ratings in games now, it might struggle in the future with 60hz.

People should buy the strongest cpu for the purpose they are going to use it for.

This whole 'It doesn't matter because you don't need more than 60 hz' is going to come back and bite you in the ass a few years down the road or if you decide to do a gpu upgrade

>>61468994
Make sure your fans are doing their job? If that doesn't work, clean off and reapply thermal paste.
If that doesn't work buy a liquid cooler. I recommend CoolerMaster's MasterLiquid series or if you still want air cooling, Noctua fans work a treat.

>>61469091
I think a liquid cooler is overkill for a non-k processor considering that these things ship with the stock cooler and Intel expects you to use them.

Yeah my fans are doing their job. Apparently searching on the internet tells me the newer versions of prime95 loads up an unreasonable amount of heat and voltage to current gen i7s. I am going to go back and retest again but this time with prime95 2.6 / Aida64 and other programs.

I really don't want to have to clean off and reapply thermal paste cause I used the satchel that came with my cooler and I don't have spare paste lying around to change it with (inb4 mayo).

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>>61469090
>If your cpu holds your gpu back enough to not get 100+ hz ratings in games now, it might struggle in the future with 60hz.

I keep telling people not to buy ryzen for 144hz setups but they don't listen.
>100fps vs 120fps doesn't matter.
In 3-4 years it will be the difference between 40 and 60fps.

>>61468030
Yes.
Proud owner of a shitty i5+1060, that runs everything in 1080p really well and, with DSR, i can play games like Bayonetta, HOTS, CS:GO, and FIFA 17 in 4k.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming-ITXac/

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming-ITXac/

Specs seem to be absolutely identical except for the wifi antenna.
Is there any reason to get the x370 version over the b350 version?

how long is this nand shortage going to last? i really want to snag a 500gb+ nvme/sata m.2 drive for my xps. Anything under $100 yet?

>>61469008
OP mentions only 7700k because i3 and i5 cpus are dead and not worth buying in any case.
i3s were killed by intel itself when they added hyperthreading to pentiums.
i5s are outperformed by ryzen 5 and the fact that you can get 6c/12t for the same price as 4c/4t makes them obsolete.

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What's the cheapest gfx card I can get to use Freesync with?

>>61469148
you're pulling shit out of your ass. in 3-4 years ryzen might as well pull ahead due to more cores.
not to mention AM4 will still be around in 2020, so you will be able to easily get better zen cpu, when coffee lake will already require new motherboards. so if you bought kaby lake SIX months ago you're already fucked.

Guys, what water cooling system i should look for if i'm planning on buying threadripper?

Red pill me on the r9 xfx 295x2 lads, im thinking of buying a 2nd hand system off normiebook that looks alright

>>61469618
People have been saying since 2012 that future games will need moar cores. And yet single thread performance is still king. You know that was the go to excuse for bulldozer right?

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>>61469696
it's a housefire and performs the same as gtx 970/980.

>>61469696
Its 2 GPU glued together and comes with all the problems that SLI/X-fire comes with.

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>>61469721
it's already happening, anon. games tested are: gta 5, bf1, crysis 3, witcher 3, watch dogs 2.
bulldozer was pretty bad, but zen doesn't have much lower IPC than kabylake, it's at most 5% worse. still doesn't change the fact that i3s and i5s are dead.

>>61469696
only if it's really cheap and you intend to watercool, so probably not.

>>61469764
it's a lot faster than that.

>>61467522
Will i have to download drivers after i piece my pc together? im using a mobo my friend gave me, a hdd from a computer from years ago that has windows 7, and a new gpu.

>>61469805
Oh I don't disagree with your point. I am just pointing out that moar cores will be the future of gaming has been a thing since 2012 and it still isn't a thing yet.

>>61468324
What? Where? I want one too

>>61469764
>>61469802
Cheers lads

I have Radeon HD 7850 as my gpu. Should i change it to gtx 1050?

>>61469819
But it is a thing even if it's still a minority of games.
Mountain Blade devs say 6-8 cores is what they designed Bannerlord for. That's all the motivation I need for moar cores.

>>61469857
Bannerlord will be realized along side Star Citizen friendo

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>>61469668
Supposedly it ships with some kind of CLC but I believe Noctua has said they'll support it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9XD4f8
how can i improve it? i dont really care too much about storage space

I have a prebuilt with a 300w psu laying around. I'm planning to put a GPU in it. Any recommendations on what to buy without buying a new psu?

>>61469908
What are you gonna do with it? If just vidya drop the i7

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>>61469908
>7700k
>hyper 212
>stormtrooper case
>windows 8.1
>optical drive
>nex PSU
>144hz meme

I want my build to run the newest AAA games on 1080p with med to high settings at 120 stable fps (if i can do something to run games at stable 144fps that'd be great cause i have a 144hz monitor).
Will this do https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rfZZTH or do I need to upgrade something?
If I can change something to lower the price let me know too.

>>61470000
Probably a 1050 ti

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>>61469810
also, if all the parts are in the right place, compatible, and functional; is there anything that would keep it from working?

>>61470018
144hz is not a meme but that monitor is terrible

>>61469899
That's breddy gud, thank you. I hate air cooling to the core.

>>61469696
I had one, sold it really high (800) on Ebay during the recent mining craze. It's 1070 tier performance, and crossfire scales pretty well. The card never runs over 60°C, which is bretty good considering it is made out of two R9 290Xs... oh and it needs a really powerfull psu, as the card runs at 500w. I had an Akasa venom 850w gold psu.

>>61470051
explain why is that monitor terrible.
its a pretty good deal for 250$ imo

>>61470009
only vidya
why drop the i7?
>>61470051
what monitor do you recommend instead?

>>61469833
Malaysia, Sunway pyramid mall .
:V

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>>61469721
Wrong
Games need multiple cores now
Modern games will glitch out like crazy on single core CPUs and many won't even start on anything below 4 threads
And there are already plenty of games using 6 or more threads

>>61469148
>In 3-4 years it will be the difference between 40 and 60fps.
More like 40 vs 48 in unoptimized corelet games
Learn to math

>>61470067
absolutely terrible colors, no adaptive sync, uses led pwm dimming which ruins motion clarity. people recommend it because it was quite popular few years ago, but many better monitors came out since then.
>250$
that's overpriced as fuck for what this monitor offers. ViewSonic XG2401 is a MUCH better deal.

>>61469696
Really good performance when crossfire is supported
Good enough for 1440p or lower when it isn't
High power draw, so make sure to have a strong PSU

>>61470073
see >>61470097

>>61470067
If you spend $600 on a GPU you should spend at least as much money on a monitor.

Doesn't matter what GPU you have if you play on a 24" 1080p TN monitor. It's still going to look shit.

>>61470073
Because i7s do not improve gaming by more than 2fps and cost way more. They're meant for very CPU intensive tasks like video editing

>>61470167
lmao that's absolutely not true don't listen to him

>>61470157
I don't enjoy playing games, i enjoy being competetive.
Does that change anything?

>>61470211
yes 144hz 1080p is a valid option.

Quick question.
Right before i got my second monitor my first one started to flicker.
Like twice an hour it just randomly flickers.
It flickers the color that's displayed rn on the monitor.
When I connected my second monitor it started to flicker too so i'm like 99% sure its my gpu (that's like 3-4 years old).
Will that damage the monitors in any kind of way?

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New GPU stock WHEEN

I need a new PC before next semester at the end of August, is there a chance that GPU prices will become slightly more reasonable by then?

Where can I buy sweet purple desktop case for my specs?

I really need to cut down compile (gcc) times because my project has grown so much. I've just been using a simple i5 desktop as I bought it before this was a problem. Should I go with used workstations(xeon) from ebay or maybe a ryzen 7?
I can also wait for threadripper. No skylake-x as my living room is already way too fucking hot as it is.
I assume a r7 1700 would be many times faster than my i5 for compiling right? Would that continue to scale with say the 16 core threadripper?
Also is ITX an option for AMD yet? I don't need more than a tiny GPU, i'll probably just throw a 560 or 1050 in it, so I don't see much a reason to go mid tower or bigger.
Thanks /g/uys

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>>61470851

>>61470709
i wouldn't count on it

>>61470743
>>>/lgbt/

>>61470709
It's not going to fix itself until at least January. Just get a 1050ti to tide yourself over.

>>61470900
Sick! It's only $150 too. I really like it. Thank you

What is the cheapest GPU to play "every" game at 1080p medium/high ? RX 570? 1050ti?

How's this look? I've got a case and storage already

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cxqmTH

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>>61471020
Jack off to some porn. Then look at the list again. If it feels right, go buy it.

>>61469899
I saved a copy of your gf on my local hard drive. I plan to use it in my shitposting endeavours.

>>61471020
pretty good

>>61471098
>that nose
ew

>>61471020
Looks solid

Im switching from intel to amd, whats the best way to remove the old intel drivers?

>>61471189
Linux doesn't have this problem.

>>61471203
But linux doesn't play the gaymes me like

>>61471222
You must be at least 18 to post on 4chan.

>>61467522
>>R5 1400 - Cheapest quad core you can get (Ryzen 3 soon)

But Ryzen 3;'s already out?

>>61471231
Then why are you here

uuh what do I do if the money that got reserved for my pc parts is now back on my card and I can go get the parts at the post office

>>61471264
1. Get the parts sell them and buy better stuff + the money you got
2. Get the parts, build the PC, buy peripherals with the money
3. Be a little wus and ask the seller why your money is back

7 days till r3

>>61471301
What if they call the popo on me or tells me to give back the parts? I just want to play vidya, man

>>61470942
570 at msrp is the best value. If possible try to get one of those. 1050 is the best card cheaper than the 570 unless you get a cheap freesync monitor(you should) in which case the 560 is nice. Pretty important to OC the 1050/560 well.
1060 6gb 9gbps/580 are also good choices if you want to spend a bit more. PIck between them based on the games you play. The 580 is superior but in my most played game the 1060 6 does better.

>>61471356
They wont. Worse possible thing that would happen is they charge your card again.

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>>61470851
>I assume a r7 1700 would be many times faster than my i5 for compiling right?
Yes, pic related
>Would that continue to scale with say the 16 core threadripper?
Also yes, because of double the cores (& gcc scaling well from them) and more importantly because of the doubled memory bandwidth

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>>61471055
solid advice!

I have a 1000w modular psu that is fairly new, and I want to use it in a new build. I know it is overkill, but it is free.

Would a 200mm psu fit inside a Termaltake Core V1 case? Some websites say a max of 160mm, others are saying a max of 200mm. Looking at pictures online it seems like there should be more than enough space.


Otherwise does anyone have suggestions for a Mini-ITX case that can fit a large psu?

>>61471511
whats the psu model

>>61471525
HX1000w

>>61471511
if you did the room for the cords wont be enough

>>61471525
it matters not

Made a mock up list for my first build
[spoiler]honestly I don't know what I was choosing[/spoiler]
Does this work?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3Y9m8

I just want something that looks pretty

New builder here, what do you anons use to help or prevent gpu sag?

>>61471570
that's a bait

Is the Hyper 212 Evo good enough to cool an old Sandy Bridge based 130W Xeon E5 1620 or do I need something beefier?

>>61471020

theres cheaper ram and 1050ti options as well as mobo even within that B350 chip series

not counting the rebates, it comes out to $50 less

why the fuck do ppl do this

>>61469148
>In 3-4 years it will be the difference between 40 and 60fps.
Fucking nerd everybody is playing 4k
In 3 years 1080p will be dead and buried and the 100fps meme will die

>>61471570
>liquid cooler for a locked CPU
what

>>61471588
why reply then? its obvious as hell too

>>61471580
Nothing. Sagging might look ugly but doesn't do any real harm to the card.

>>61471593
It should be fine, 212 is rated for 180 TDP according to google.

>>61471624
What CPU should I be running then?

>>61471701
i7 7700K

>>61471616
Any mobo suggestions? Reviews for cheaper ones in that series say they have crashing problems when running 3200 RAM and I'm not sure what other series are good.

>>61471737

just buy the cheapest mobo and run the ram speeds it says its for

if you can fit everything on a micro-atx do that, its less power and less heat and cheaper

What's the modern equivalent to an i7-930?

>>61471666
Nice trips

>>61471774
How about now?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CNMb9W

>>61467522
Is using old server parts a good strategy when building on a budget? For instance I can get two old quad core CPUs for 4 bucks and 24 GB of ECC memory for only 30$

Does ram speed actually matter if you don't use AMD?

>>61471619
4k is a meme, 120hz+ is not.

>>61471859

why do you need 3200 ram

>>61471871

>old quad core CPUs

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core2-Quad-Q9650-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4560/m1706vs3892

>>61471774
>cheapest mobo
yeah no. a320 locks him out of overclocking.

>>61471859
get ab350m asrock pro4. pick ram from the QVL list.

>>61472021
ryzen benefits from faster ram.

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>tfw Australian prices

>>61472047
>average 83k per annum
you have nothing to cry about

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>>61472047
>UK
>cheap GPUs on new egg
>ship from Burgerland
>Duty tax = 100 pounds
>Shipping = 40 pounds

>>61472079
>eastern europe
>1000$ pc costs 3 months of salary

>>61472104
>asia
>have enough to buy second hand pc parts after gathering money for years
>use them for 1 month
>they break
>no such warranty in asia so end up fucking myself

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>>61472143
>earth
>want to buy a new pc
>have every component except GPU
>have to wait 1 year until they restock GPUs

just bought a 1060 6gb asus on amazon for 300$ plus tax, was it a "good" deal or should i have waited a bit, currently using integrated gpu

>>61472218
did you buy it as in it is on your way or will shop once in stock?

>>61472076
>looking at average not median
shiggy

Video games are really just a secondary consideration here. I'm just throwing in the 1080ti and 144hz monitor as an after thought. I'm upgrading for the 16 threads for improved compile times.
I like the case, the mesh right next to the gpu fans should let it breathe. It can support the 120mm AIO just fine. RAM looks like a good deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dp78gL

>>61471871
Yes, but I would recommend getting something Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge based. Even an old i5 2500 performs better than the G4560 does.

And it depends on how low your budget is, you can get used workstations with Xeon 4 or 6 cores that perform similarly to the Ryzen 1500X and 1600 at like $400 bucks and just put a GPU in it. Just make sure that the PSU is large enough for a GPU more powerful than the GT1030 if you're going to buy a full system used.

>>61472218
Good snag. It'll last you a fair while on 1080p

>>61472235
>will shop
will ship*

>>61472076
Our dollar doesnt go as far as yours m8.

>>61471570
Sucks desu
Fixed some stuff
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6jwcnn
And I strongly recommend getting a 1050ti as a placeholder for now and waiting until GPU prices are back to normal to upgrade it

>>61472235
>>61472250

once in stock, so i still have a chance to change in case

>>61472415
>amd + nvidia
no

>>61472427
>once in stock
Have fun waiting until 2018, have been waiting for mine since early June.

>>61472434
It doesn't matter which GPU brand you're using

>>61472243
shit mobo. get asrock b350 or x370 gaming instead (mitx).
overkill cooler. ryzen wont OC past 4.0 and that won't happen on r7 1700. if you want to keep it then get 1700x instead so you have higher chances of hitting it.

>>61472415
>replying to an obvious bait
>180$ mobo for ryzen

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>>61471619
>100 fps meme
Spoken like someone who has never experienced 100+hz.

Today for shits and giggles I switched my monitor back to 60 hz after having played on 144hz for a few weeks and I almost vomited all over my screen.

Everything from scrolling webpages to gaming is horrendous on 60hz once you have experienced 100+ hz

>>61471619
4k is a meme
1440p144hz is the shit

>>61472477
>180$ mobo for ryzen
He wanted something that looks fancy
And there is nothing wrong with high end boards

is Gigabyte good for GPU?

>>61472599
AMD: yes, pretty good
Nvidia: decent but other popular brands are noticeably better

>>61472590
>overpaying for 'muh aesthetics'
i want underages to go

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>>61472243
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dp78gL
>That m.2 drive
I have that drive in my build right now, even at idle its on the warmer side, and I've seen it go up to 52-55C under light loads.

>>61472669
>stop liking things that look nice!!

>>61472477
>180$ mobo for ryzen
>doesn't realize that the board can run most RAM at rated clock speeds unlike every other shit ryzen board
>blames price on aesthetics
Seriously, show me a better x370 board that is cheaper.

Will a 1600 bottleneck a 1080 at 1080p? What about 1440p?

>>61472819
No of course not, ryzen is ideal for 60hz games at any resolution. I stand by intel for 120/144hz though.

>>61472788
>doesn't realize you can just pick ram from QVL to have guaranteed clock speeds
>spends 90$ more instead

>>61472877
>guaranteed clock speeds
Yeah guaranteed to run at lower speeds. The only RAM on the QVL that will run at rated speeds is always out of stock, and costs an ass ton more money than the cost to buy a different mobo. It's an obvious choice desu.

>>61468979
Your temps are little higher but fine.
Under normal usage you will not hit p95 kind of heat.

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>>61472917
are my temps okay?

>>61469090
It's not that simple.
Bf1 for instance, top performance requires 6+ real cores at high frequency for constant 144hz. On my 7700k 5ghz it almost tops all times. This is due 60hz server tick.

Ryzen just don't cut for bf1, obviously frewency still play a major role. Ironically the best CPU for bf1 is broadwell e high oc.

>>61471619
Enjoy your 60hz slideshow.
I will just get a 4k display when they manage to make a decent one that can hold at least 120hz

Want to update a few parts:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CzLGtJ

currently have:

case: Fractal Design r5
gpu: Asus RX480 8GB Strix
cooler: be quiet dark rock 3
psu: be quiet 500W Pure Power 10 CM Modular
drive1: older Crucial 120gb ssd
drive2: Samsung evo 850 512gb ssd
drive3: 2tb WD blue

I will replace my old i5 2500k, 8gb DDR3 ram which I bought in 2011 with the new Ryzen7. Are there major differences for mainboards in regards to manufacturers? I always bought Asus in the past simply because I never had problems with their hardware and it never broke down for me. The only reason I chose a mainboard in the price range of 140-160 bucks was to have USB-C, just in case for some future shit that might come up that I can't think about right now. Or is this Asus mainboard a major "no go" because the other manufacturers offer way better things?

And in terms of Ram, I heard the Ryzen benefits from faster Ram but also heard of compatibility problems between fast Ram and current mainboards. Does it make sense to go beyond DDR4 3200? I basically want my pc to last again 5-6 years like the 2500k did, with an expected gpu upgrade needed in 3-4 years.

In terms of price: I don't really care as long as I don't go beyond 600 bucks for the 3 parts I need to buy.

Question:
My monitor has DVI-I connector and it came with DVI-I cable to VGA cable, if I buy a DVI-D to DVI-D cable on the DVI-I connector will it work or it wont be compatible?

>>61473043
A monitor like that is on its way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olRDnA1Kp4s

>>61472997
Temps look fine to me.

Can you build a high end rig for 500 euros? I want something that could handle Gradle and virtualization. My current core duo and athlon 4800+ machines just can't do it anymore.

>>61472852
How much of a difference in fps will there be? 5%?

>>61473335
>high end rig
>500 euros
No

>>61473405
[spoiler]How much do I need then[/spoiler]

>>61471232
no

>>61473412
1k+
Depends on the country and what you consider "high end rig"

>>61473428
Fuck if I know what goes for high end nowadays. The last time I built a pc was more than 15 years ago.

>>61473514
Here is a generalisation, make sure to search into it more than this website.
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
Don't forget to choose your region too.

>>61469091
>>61472956
Just got home and tested with the following programs.

WH2 ingame bench: Max 77 degrees
Realbench: Max 88 degrees
Prime95 26.6: Max 84 degrees
Intel Extreme Tuning Utility: Max 84 degrees

Searching on google tells me that 7700 even if it is not K runs pretty hot. Even at max RPM and load, I can't hear the fan so my only worry is how safe is it to use a CPU that sometimes goes up to 80 degrees.

Any advice?
My CPU is a i7-7700 non K and my CPU cooler is a Hyper 212 LED.

Should I attempt a reseat?
Should I get better thermal paste?
Should I get a better cooler?

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this may be a stupid question
would be my 450W PSU enough if I added an HDD to this build? how much power does an HDD use?
(I also have a cpu cooler with a 100mm fan and 2x 120mm fans in my case)
also, what's a go-to cheap and good enough HDD?

>>61473946
HDD uses less than 3 watts. It won't be an issue.

>also, what's a go-to cheap and good enough HDD?
WD blues

>>61473946
drives use 8-10W.
If you just want a reasonable amount of additional storage, a seagate or WD 1TB are good.

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Was thinking of getting a 1080-1080 TI with a R7 1700+, I multitask with photo editing, video editing, and want to create games too, what do you guys think?

>>61474094
probably the best system you can build right now if you OC the 1700.

>>61474101
Amd I go

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What's the PC equivalent of this?

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should i upgrade to ryzen /g/?

>>61474236
Yes

>>61473751
Anyone?

>>61474213
The new LGA2066 i5X. Big, slow, shouldn't exist but fills a nice gap that's funny to point and laugh at.

>>61469764
>lying on the internet

>>61474213
this >>61474295

>>61474236
fuck yes

>>61474236
Unless you find an i5 or i7 under a rock, yes.

>>61474375
I can buy an i5 for like a 100$ and an i7 for 150$ but I had some issues with windows and maybe the ram slots are somewhat fucked up. Everything runs except utorrent for some reason

>>61474411
$10-15 sound fair, you don't know where those CPUs have been. Otherwise you're better off with a Ryzen.

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WHY ARE GPU PRICES GOING UP WHILE ETH IS GOING DOWN

Have anyone had their AIO cooler break? If yes do you move your pc a lot? Did it cause any damage? I want to get an AIO cooler but I've seen a lot of people talking about leakages

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>>61468263
Here is your yellow patch, jew.

Is there /pcbg/ discord?

>>61474882
Discord is for faggots

I'm trying to get my 3200 Corsair vengeance Ram to run at full, or at least 2933 speeds on my AsRock AB350m Pro4 notherboard, with R1700. I can change the XMP profile, but as soon as I do it boot cycles until dumping me back to the bios, and when I boot again speccy tells me it's running at 1064 DDR.

>>61475230
Try increase ram voltage too after applying XMP

>standoff screws not going in all the way
Do you have to use lots of force or what?

>>61475222
It's easier and better than doing a captcha everytime i want to say something

>>61475379
dont use alot of force, I forced a screw into standoff and I can't get it out now because when I try to unscrew the screw it unscrews the standoff too

>>61475409
Is there any way of dealing with it? Also I'm guessing this is a problem with the holes given that my case was cheap

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>>61468050
>fitness tracker that doesnt even have a clock on it

Haven't used a desktop in ten years, but having three laptops slowly die on me, I've decided to build a pc. I was all set on this. Don't mind me not having an SSD, I have a samsung 840pro on my laptop that I intend to add. As for a monitor, I have a 1080p 24 inch which may be old, but does the job. Also, I'm on a quite tight budget, so trying to walk a tight rope of future proofing and bare essentials. Plan to upgrade GPU once the price drops. For now I just need solid 1080p performance.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pvYNhq

Now people say i5 is shit, and I should go either 7700k, or Ryzen.

I've never used AMD anything before. Only non nVidia/Intel part I've ever had was an S3 Savage 3d back in 1999. So I'm kinda skeptical.

Any help would be appreciated.

>>61475567
>$200 motherboard with $220 CPU
>212 instead of 212 evo
>i5
awful

>>61469601
RX 550

>>61471666
>does no harm to the card

Sag damages the pcie lanes, not the card, stupid

Fix it with a plexiglass support. Make one yourself for 5$

>>61470018
144hz is not a meme, /v/iado

>>61475594
>>$200 motherboard with $220 CPU

Believe it or not, it's the cheapest Z270 mobo I can get. As for the cooler, the evo is not available atm, and might not be for a while. Is there a huge difference?

>>61475643
get a mobo with reinforced lanes

Is there any reason to get a 144hz monitor with a 1060 since it'll hardly ever reach 144fps and that'll decline as it ages?

>>61475674
>Believe it or not, it's the cheapest Z270 mobo I can get.
Then don't go z270 + i5?
>As for the cooler, the evo is not available atm, and might not be for a while. Is there a huge difference?
Not big but considering the EVO is $1 cheaper and performs better

>>61471264
>>61471301
>>61471356
>>61471381
Just got it installed and played some games, runs amazing, money is still in my bank

>>61470211
what game do you play competitively?

>>61475746
Well if in a week they wont charge you, its their fault.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XZQMMHJ/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER

NEAR MSRP OC 580 8GB OC

>>61475732
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XZQMMHJ/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Well my bad, I hadn't even considered AMD before the last couple days. Now I'm reading reviews and people are all on their dick.

Will the evo 212 fit the Ryzen 1600x?

Guys there is a USED Gigabyte Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 6G Rev 2 for 250 pounds, it says it only has some cosmetic imperfections, is it worth?

>>61475887
>Will the evo 212 fit the Ryzen 1600x?
Will need to ask a bracket to cooler master
You could also go R5 1600 without cooler. It's just clocked lower but can be overclocked and still has 6 cores, and comes with a decent cooler so you can do small overclocks on it

>>61475923
No.

>>61475989
why?

>>61475567
Go with a build like this and you can add another 8gb ram, an ssd or a better monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gf4MtJ
+ a lot Better multitasking
+ A lot cheaper
- 0-10 fps difference in some games (some games use multiple cores and perform better with the ryzen)

>>61475997
Cryptocurrency mining is taking a plummet and the idiots who bought into it are dumping their cards onto the market; the card you are looking at was one of the more popular ones among miners.

That card was probably running at load for 1-2 months straight; its life span has been severely reduced.

>>61476064
It has 30 day return policy, I have been waiting for my current card for over a month, can't I just use it for 25 days and see if new cards have come down?

Considering buying new ram due to the RGB meme. My current build is: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/YWtgXL

Is higher ram speeds actually worth it? I get that my build is pretty enthusiast so far, but would the extra money be worth it?

>>61476064
Also its sold by Amazon Warehouse, not by a normal seller (or idk how the amazon system works)

>>61476045

I'm becoming sold on the Ryzen. But only the 1600x is available at stores, not the 1600. Given that the difference is almost 50 dollars, it feels extra shitty, given that I'd have to get a cooler. How does the 1600x perform out of the box, paired with two 2666mhz ram? Will it make up the 50 dollar difference?

Is there any reason to go AMD instead of Nvidia beyond the 1050 Ti price range?

>>61476095
I'd say just throw 8 more dollars for the 3200 version of those.

>>61476427
No that's a completed build, that's what I'm typing this message on right now. I'm buying more ram soon, maybe G.Skill or Vengeance RGB and I want to know if going for 4 sticks of higher speed is worth it over going for 4 sticks of 2400, knowing that in those cases I could be paying £50-100 more. (G.Skill 2400 goes for £240 right now, 3000 goes for £320)

If there is not much difference I could buy 2 sticks of vengeance RGB to go with my current vengeance, saving ~£150-200.

gtx1060 for 350$

cop or not for 1080p 60hz ?

>>61476420
RX570 exists and the RX580 is a better card than the 1060 6GB

>>61476391
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3920vs3919
Game performance
https://youtu.be/YdILDYCkAbY
It is up to you to decide (also if you are overclocking the 1600 you need to buy a cooler)

>>61476391
Overclocking: 1600
Not overclocking: 1600x
Also i am running the 1600 @4.0ghz OC with the stock cooler

>>61467522
My current rig was assembled in 2013, I have an FX-6300, MSI motherboard, 8 gigs of DDR3 ram, and R9 290. I used to be a hardcore AMD fanboy, but I am leaning towards Intel for a budget build because I probably won't be able to shell out for Ryzen and an AM4 board.

How much of an improvement would a Pentium G4560/4600 be? Single thread wise they should be faster, but they have less threads. I also thought about the i3-7350k which is more expensive but still dual core with HT. I want to go with an ATX board so I have more room.

Also, my friend is getting some old Pentium III machines from work. I'll probably try to use the old beige case from one of these because I love that aesthetic. Hopefully they don't have the floppy slot and just a regular 3.5" bay.

>>61476889
>but I am leaning towards Intel for a budget build
dont bother, the 6300 is more or less similar in performance to a Pentium its not worth the minuscule performance upgrade you would get, just wait till you have the money to shell out for a 1600

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>ordered an RX580 4gb model for 200 yuros from germany two weeks ago
>still hasn't arrived yet despite living next germany

I thought I was being clever.

>>61476963
tracking nigger, use it

>>61476889
Overclock the FX-6300 to make it last a little longer. I run mine at 4 GHz with no problems.
I could afford Ryzen but why bother?
FX-6300 @ 4 GHz is fast enough for most things.

>>61476963
did it dispatch tho

>>61476799
>>61476870

Thanks bros, you made me decide on AMD. I'll probably go with the 1600 once it's available. How difficult is oc-ing it with the default cooler? I'm not talking 4.0, something more like 3.8 max.

>>61476963
>2 weeks from a neighbour state
Did they tell the guy with the 580 to run all the way to your house?

Does overclocking the R5 1600 reduce its lifespan by a significant amount?

what to get /pcbg/:

used gtx960 ~80-90 euro
used gtx970 ~160-170 euro
used gtx1060 ~260 euro
new gtx1050ti 180 euro

I mainly play rust, bf1, csgo + overwatch on my pc, CPU is a 7700k

>>61477111
CPUs last absurdly long even when overclocked
Don't pump anything over 1.4v through it and it, and don't make him suffer sudden changes of temperatures, and it'll have an identical lifespan to non-overclocked CPUs

>>61477118
>used gtx1060 ~260 euro

Other cards will be too much of a bottleneck. With the 1060 you'll be good to go for a few years if you don't go above full HD and >60Hz. With the others you'll most likely will have to upgrade rather soon again.

>>61477172
Are used GPUs worth tho?
Does the 3 year warranty apply to second owners too?

>>61476951
OK, yeah I can run most games fine since I have a 1360x768 monitor anyway. I wanted to have a better downstairs computer for my parents lol. They had a 4 core FX but the mobo died and it got replaced with a Celeron E3200.

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>>61476976
>>61477000

Nope, no point in tracking since for all the other parts I received a notification that it was in delivery status. After a week, I checked the site and what I overlooked was the text below that means an item is not in stock an wil take longer than ten days to arrive.

Btw it shot up to 50 yuros more in price what the fuck?

>>61476870
>Also i am running the 1600 @4.0ghz OC with the stock cooler
Do you live in the tundra? What voltage?

>>61477217
>Does the 3 year warranty apply to second owners too?

I would say that depends on the laws of the country. Here in Germoney the warrenty is also for the 2nd, 3rd etc owner of the card. Of course only until the 3 years are over, this won't be renewed everytime the card is sold to the next.

That's also a reason why I would pick the 1060, that still should have warranty compared to the 960 and 970.

>>61477118
>>61477263

Also make sure it's a 1060 with 6gb of ram if you pay 260 used. Otherwise you'll just be ripped off.

>>61477159
I hear people saying to just leave the voltage alone to begin with. Aftermarket fans generally do the trick? Will I have to overclock RAM for better results as well?

>>61472495
>Everything from scrolling webpages to gaming is horrendous on 60hz once you have experienced 100+ hz

Are you still using a CRT?

>>61477077
Easy 3.6, for more you'll need the silicon lottery.

>>61477317
>Will I have to overclock RAM for better results as well?
Yes
>I hear people saying to just leave the voltage alone to begin with.
That's stupid, it'll become absurdly unstable the higher the frequency is. You can't overclock much with default voltage, if any.

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Hey /g/, rate my build.

Use: CAD, gaming, streaming of gaming / recording.

Recycled parts: Mechanical HDDs, CD/DVD reader.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nQt73F

Not sure if I should overclock or not. I'm pretty much stuck as to what to do for my CPU and Heatsink. Some motherboard recommendations will be helpful as well.

Is it worth it to buy a geforce 1050ti atm? I'll be gaming exclusively 1080p, and I don't mind lowering the settings a bit. I plan to upgrade in a year or two, giving the 1050 to my brother, so it won't go to waste.

>>61477484
>vg248qe
again that monitor is absolute trash. get viewsonic xg2401 / look at nixeus vue 24
get supernova g3 psu
960 evo is a meme. you can get 512gb ssd for like 10$ more.
h100i is an overkill. this isn't an intel housefire. a good 40-50$ air cooler would be more than enough.

>>61477484
What do you need X370 board for? Only benefits are the ability to sli 2 gpu's and more i/o options if you need a ton of usb ports or something.

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guy at best buy told me fps is determined by vram. is he a fucking idiot?

Sup /g/
My PC fried itself yesterday, but I was looking to upgrade soon anyway.

Budget: About £2000 but would rather keep it closer to £1600

Would like to be able to run Nier and PubG without it being total fucking shit, possibly while streaming it using OBS. I intend to get a 144hz monitor regardless of this build and budget soon, currently rocking a 21inch 1080p 60hz and a 17inch 720p PoS.

Suggestions for similar quality parts at possibly lower prices, theory on if I need a new 4TB HDD when the 2TB HDD, which is almost full, of my old PC probably still works. Its a slow piece of shit though. Will the HSF I got actually fit? Will the GPU? The case in the build is actually not on sale anywhere, I put it in and priced it to the same make but red one.
Oh, and will it work?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Kpyg7h

>>61477721
better VRMs i guess

>>61477731
Well he's not right, but he also isn't wrong.

>>61477731
they told me to get more fps I need more ram

>>61477668
Care to explain why the ASUS monitor is trash, and by you are recommending your suggestions?

Supernova G3 650W PSU is currently more expensive than the Corsair model.

I swapped the 650 evo out with a M.2 500GB SSD from WD; about $15 more.

I heard that AMD CPUs aren't really good with keeping their shit cool; iirc a liquid cooling system is actually recommended by AMD.

>>61477721
Mostly I/O options, I need about 6 USB slots for all the shit I use. (Keyboard, mouse, TrackIR, Microphone/Headset, Joystick/throttle). I'm open to doing something with a smaller board.

>>61477883
>>61477885
tell me how to stop being a pleb and understand what goes into a good gaming pc that wont get me bullied on /g/

>>61478060
Depends on the gaming you wanna do with it.
How many monitors? What framerate do you want to play at/do(es) your monitor(s) support? Resolution?
Emulation tends to be heavier on the CPU if that's your thing.

>>61478047
i already explained it here >>61470097.
>I heard that AMD CPUs aren't really good with keeping their shit cool; iirc a liquid cooling system is actually recommended by AMD.
that's bullshit, new ryzen cpus actually run cooler than intel's.

I5-4460
GTX 970
H81M-E34
TeamElite 8GB

what do I upgrade. I'm thinking 16 GB of memory

built in 2015

>>61478101
2 monitors, 1 for vidya other for 4chan and desktop stuff so I dont have to alt + tab.
I dont touch emulators, but not sure what types of gaming would be better suited towards certain types of hardware. One of the games I wanted says it requires a quad core cpu.

So you can use a ssd and two hdd in one pc, right? Is it significantly harder to set up two hdd than one?

>>61478218
>What framerate do you want to play at
at least 60 for most games coming out in the next year I guess. I dont mind if it dips to the 50s in shitty spots, though.

>>61478174
you're fine, wait for 7nm ryzen

Good 1440p 144hz monitors out there that won't break the bank (more than 500$)

Is there a Ryzen overclocking for dummies reference.

I have two CPU voltage options in the bios.
When I change clock or voltage everything throttles to 1500mhz.

>>61477772
People are talkin bout Monitors.
Guess I'll say I intend to use at least 2 monitors, my current 21 and the 144hz when I get it. I wouldn't mind using 3 monitors, possibly 4 if I include my TV. I'd need a VGA to HDMI adapter for my shitty screen though.

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Thinking of building this, rate https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G7Wcnn

>>61478375
no idea

Niggalake
Diklake
Asslake
Deadasslake
Moonlake
Bitchasslatelake
What would be the stupid name they would have haha

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>>61478375
>850w for a system that won't draw more than 350w under load
>3600mhz ddr4 for kabylake
>buying windows
>full tower

>set up new pc
>after some trouble everything works and I install windows 7
>no matter what I try, I cannot install SP1

I literally tried every suggestion I found via google. I have no idea what to do.

Install from an ISO that includes SP1?

>>61478460
what CPU do you have

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>>61468182
If you'll get a RX 570 You can play at 1080p 60fps for two years. After those two years you can buy another GPU for 200 which will perform even better. By then you'll have a GPU which will probably outperform the 1070 and you can even sell your previous 570 voor decent dosh.

That's my way of upgrading, baby.

>>61478480
i7-6700k

>>61478504
What exactly happens when you try to install it

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>>61478375
>150 bucks atx case

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>>61478375
>32gb 3600mhz for gaymin
>960 pro for gaymin

>>61478529
It installs, restarts, hangs on "Configuring...", then reverts all changes, reboots, tells me it failed the update and gives me this error code
>ERROR_SHARING_VIOLATION(0x80070020)

Googling for it gives a few suggestions relating to disabling/uninstalling your antivirus, .NET framework, etc, some hotfix from microsoft you have to install first, and some generic windows error scanning tools ("sfc /scannow", "windows update troubleshoooting"). Tried all of it (also with wsuoffline) - even on a pristine install of win7 installing not even the MB drivers, the update fails with Win Defender and Firewall disabled.
Currently looking for an ISO of Win7 64bit ultimate that includes SP1 already, but I haven't found anything yet.

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Picked up a wine crate from Total Wine for something different than your everyday case until I find something I really like. Thing is, it's not exactly setup right away for proper airflow.

I was thinking one 140mm on the left and right side for intake with a 140mm exhaust on the rear side raised slightly higher. Pretty much where a exhaust fan usually is on a normal case if it was just laid down on it's side. GPU will have it's exhaust out of the connections side, PSU will not since I have a HDPLEX 400w ready to go. Should I aim for positive or negative pressure? Case will be easy to open up and clean (I'll use a couple hinges with the top portion) with the case being raised a good two or more feet off the ground, so dust isn't too much an issue but would be nice to cut down on that.

yet another first build coming through

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/zTYdVY

any ideas on ow to make the whole build cheaper ?

Hey /g/, I'm wondering if you can help me with this build. I'm trying to build a new PC for digital art capabilities with gaming on the side, trying to replace a laptop that is starting to buckle under the weight of several art programs.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jN68gL

This is what I'm working with currently; I'm trying to justify getting a new PC but I don't know how much it is worth it or if I'll get a significant performance boost out of it outside of gaming.

>Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
>CPU
AMD A8-4500M
Trinity 32nm Technology
>RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)
>Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 182D (Socket FT1)
>Graphics
Generic PnP Monitor (1366x768@60Hz)
512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 7640G (HP)
>Storage
698GB Seagate ST750LM0 22 HN-M750MBB SATA Disk Device (SATA)
>Optical Drives
hp DVD-RAM UJ8B1 SATA CdRom >Device Audio
IDT High Definition Audio CODEC

hey guys i'm looking for a new power supply for my Radeon RX 480 Nitro+. my old one almost caught fire minutes ago.

does anyone know a good one?

>>61478485
A 570 should last 4 years at 1080p

How long will a GTX 1060 last for 1080p? (Medium Graphics 60FPS+)

>>61478830
4-5 years I guess

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>>61478654
>buying a locked i5 when a 6 core r5 1600 is cheaper

>>61478840
no thanks senpai i dont want my house on fire

>>61478840
I've considered an AMD cpu, all of them were either out of stock or more expensive.
There's a 1400 that's 10 euros cheaper but it's not worth it.
Got any more suggestions besides that ?

>>61478728
This would be better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8zZcnn

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>>61478853
dont buy intel then

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L3mGTH
Thoughts?

>>61478881
The 1400 is better than the i5 7400

>>61478882
this. pretty good build desu

That meme killed me.

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>>61478853
>asks for help
>refuses help and flaunts his misinformed opinions

redpill me on a portable case

>>61478896
is it?
can you prove it?
I'm curious now, most of the benchmarks that I've seen show that the i5 7400 is slightly superior

>>61478944
He's not the OP of >>61478654 I am

>>61478882
Thank you! Should I get a CPU cooler like my old build had, or is there a reason you left it out? Also, what's the difference between the 1050 on my list and the 1050 on yours? I'm new to building computers, and would really like to know why the changes were made.

>>61478654
Getting a much superior R5 1600 instead of that shit CPU is the only saving you can do, anything else being changed would impact performance / quality a lot

>>61478963
1600 is the same price as the 7400. Don't bother with that 3gb 1060. PSU was garbo aswell.

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/jFPJ4C

>>61478963
you can OC 1400 and it will pull ahead
also http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-1400-review,21.html

>>61478891
Quit spending mommy's money.. or spend $1500 max on a PC and spend the rest on whores

>>61478882
Cheaper CPU, aftermarket cooler. Personally I'd get a 4c/8t and upgrade later when a better version of Zen comes out
Make sure the memory is compatible with the board

>>61478830
Until a little after the PS5 is released

>>61478797
Pretty much any name brand is fine. PSUs aren't rocket science

>>61478728
Get the AM4 platform
You probably don't need the eight cores the other anon suggested

>>61479028
what part of cheaper you didn't understand ?

>>61478980
The boxed cooler is fine
You can always upgrade it if you feel like overclocking further than about 3.6Ghz

>>61479082
It's my money, ive been saving for the best i can get for gaming

>>61477772
I'm lookin stuff up while I wait for anyone to respond to me.
Can I run Win7 on an i7 CPU? Do I have to get Win10? Is Win10 Cracked yet? Why doesn't Win9 exist.

is there any reason to go over 4 cores for a gaming pc

>>61470018
What's up with the hyper 212? It seems like a decent heat sink, but everyone shits on it for some reason.

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>>61478963

>>61479178
>one frame of a videogame proves me point
ok

>>61478654
Long run AM4 will be cheaper because of the upgrade path

>>61478460
Shouldn't be that hard to find an iso with all updates rolled into it.

>>61478259
Just get a VA panel. Doesn't have to be 144Hz, just get something that's 100Hz or over

>>61478235
Yes to three drives, but if you don't already know that you're not experienced enough with PCs to build one

>>61478174
If you have a single stick of 8GB, add another at the same speed. If you have 2x4GB then just get another 4GB. No reason to buy more DDR3 than you need

>>61477772
Get the AM4 platform and a 1440p monitor if you're getting a 1080

>>61477731
Mostly wrong

>>61477118
Used 970

>>61479107
It's $20 more. You're investing in a better system, one that you'll get significantly higher value out of. If you want a cheaper build you're going to to have to cut corners, but something like this is still superior to your original build.

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/bYRVKZ

>>61479137
If you had to save, don't waste it, retard. What's wrong with you? You can get something that performs just as well for a lot less money.

>>61479175
Can be difficult to install. Otherwise it's fine

>>61479169
Over 4 cores I'd say no, but you do want 8 threads

>>61479284
most of the parts you changed will be available in at least 1 month, and that's a lot

>>61470043
There's no sure way to troubleshoot all the problems you may have before building the thing. Google can help you find which components are compatible. In your case I'd do some research on that motherboard, to see if it agrees with your CPU, GPU, has M.2 support and stuff, etc. Also, you'll be doing cursory driver updates until your PC dies one day. HDDs may vary in terms of life expectancy, so I'd start saving for a new one, though SSDs are a safer bet. Beyond assembling the thing, assuming you can get it to boot, you'll have to play things by ear.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B01M8O1JEB/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
Is it worth?

>>61479323
i think it's more than worth the wait for a better system, but that's what i think. Ultimately comes down to your decision, do you NEED a machine right now?

>>61479415
yes i do
I found another Gtx 1060 6GB available for only 40 euros more so I'm fine

>>61479254
>AM4 platform
What is this?

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Thinking of buying the Nvideo 1080 Founder's Edition from Best Buy (I have a $100 gift card when I bought a Samsung S8). Is FE worth it? And can it run FFXI?

>>61478140
Hi anon, you seem well-versed in monitors. What would you recommend for an IPS panel at 1080p60fps?

>>61479523
The socket of current Ryzen CPUs.

>>61479670
ok.
Would rebuilding for this new Mobo and CPU take me over my £2000 limit?
>>61477772

Also will I be able to use Win7 with it or the i7?

would a i5 7600k bottleneck a 1070?

>>61479748
no.

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>>61478485
I'm buying my card in canada then going back home to my third world shithole where no one has money to buy cards and pre-owned gpus barely ever sell, even at high discounts. I'm trying to go full blast at least with the GPU since the ryzen 5 1600 I'm picking will at the very least be possibly better for the future with games using more cores and whatnot. I gotta get everything NOW and keep it as long as humanly possible within a budget, so an i7 / ryzen 7 with gtx 1080 is out of question, and so is waiting for vega. Also mixed usage is nice

rx 480 or 1060 gb ?
it's going to be paired with a ryzen 1400

>>61479301
Well im sorry youre fucking poor but im going to get the best that i can

>>61479992
amd + amd

>>61480027
does buying a same brand cpu-gpu improves something?
i know the 1060 is better but rn the rx480 is cheaprer

>>61480007
Actually, some of the richest people I know are frugal as fuck. You don't become, let alone stay rich by spending your money like a retard.

>>61479992
Which 1060? The 3gb one?

>>61480173
nah 6gb obviously but I always doubt online benchmarks