Nvidia is Done

For a 300w TDP 1080 performance they sure as fuck better price it around $300 or no one would bother.

>>61465994
In the article they say it barely had a slight advantage of like 5 frames and you're saying nvidia is done?

>>61465994
That's $300 including the freesync monitor which doesn't carry goysync tax. So it's at most $100 cheaper for the GPU.

>>61465994
Actually, them having to resort to using the premium attached to GSync (which is actually in some regards superior to freesync) as a selling point speaks volumes about their card, but not in a favorable way.

Vega is late to the competition and the performance we have seen so far has not been groundbreaking. The power efficiency isn't looking too good either. They can only compete in price, and even that might prove difficult considering the die sizes and cost of HBM2 memory.

Love the BTFO rhetoric btw. Nice start for a thread.

>>61465994
Mike, Vega is DOA, its the goysync. If it would have been faster they would have shown real FPS numbers

...oh and say it with me: 1070 level performance

>>61466160
Everyone has said it's 1080 performance. Let the meme die. It was never funny.

(No, it's not 1070 performance in every other game but the ones AMD showed us)

>>61466160
Got a source for your claim? I think the OP already had enough trolling for one thread.

AdoredTV pretty much confirmed the system that was running better was the vega one... they could of still used DX12 for both giving vega an advantage but they would of came right now and said witch system is witch and showed FPS....AdoredTV also goes on to say g-sync monitors just cost more and there is the $300 gap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyyOP3ZI6qc

What do anons think the chance is that This isn't the top end Vega GPU?

>>61466042
TBP =/= TDP =/= actual power draw or heat

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>>61466192
>>61466201
it's a meme guys...

>>61466192
Overclock 1070 should beat vega easily

>>61466280
TBP =/= TDP ~= power draw or heat

FTFY

>>61466249
Slim, at least on a reasonable timescale. I don't see why AMD would hold any punches this close to launch especially considering the current image Vega has.

>>61465994
>>61466042
>>61466101
>>61466121
>>61466160
>>61466192
>>61466349

So do any of you shitposters want to actually try and give a technical explanation of how it's possible for Vega FE to perform like a $5,000 Quadro P6000 in pro workloads while also performing like a 1080 in games?

Both of those things should not be possible to be true simultaneously, and any attempt to read the tea leaves on RX Vega that doesn't address this contradiction is just low effort shitposting.

>>61466539
>So do any of you shitposters want to actually try and give a technical explanation of how it's possible for Vega FE to perform like a $5,000 Quadro P6000 in pro workloads while also performing like a 1080 in games?
The Quadros are the same chips as GeForce cards. Certain functions are disabled in the GeForce (and normally Radeon) cards to facilitate selling the WS versions at higher prices.

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>>61466566
Right, so how can a Vega FE perform like pic related compared to a P6000 while simultaneously being 1080 level in games, whereas a P6000 utterly destroys a 1080 in games?

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>>61466539
Dude, it's depend of the bench...

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>>61466539
Because it's not.

>>61466539
Are professional and gaming workloads really so similar? Honest question, I am by no means an expert on the subject.

Perhaps they went for a microarchitecture that just lends itself for professional use cases better. Of course it could also be that the drivers just can't utilize the raw power the card has when it comes to games for one reason or another.

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>>61466652
Across the preponderance of pro workloads at least tied with the P6000.

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>>61465994
>>61466063
>>61466219
The freesync monitor that was used cost $799
The goysync monitor that was used cost $1299
>$500 difference just for the monitor alone
It's not the first time the AMD marketing team has used dodgy ways of promoting a product. When they focus on "but it's cheaper" rather than "it performs better", then there's good reason to be sceptical, especially since they have failed to provide any real-world performance benchmarks.

>It's an overclockers dream!
It's shit at overclocking.
>Make. Some. Noise.
Then nothing but silence for 6+ months
>Don't miss Capsaicin! We're revealing some spicey info about vega! You'll love it!
They gave away a couple of free VEGA t-shirts, and then told us that Vega is called RX Vega, which turned out to be a lie with the release of Vega FE.

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>>61466604
You don't seem to understand the question, maybe this will help:

How can Vega FE perform ~95-100% as well as a $5,000 Quadro P6000 in pro workloads, but perform like a 1080 in games when a P6000 utterly destroys a 1080 in games?

Do you see in pic related how much faster the P6000 is than the 1080? It poses a logical contradiction. It should not be possible for Vega FE to be as fast as a P6000 in pro workloads while being this much slower than a P6000 in gaming workloads.

So anyone who wants to draw a conclusion on how RX Vega will perform has to explain this contradiction.

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>>61466652
>>61466697

>>61466752
>2D benchmark
>relevant

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>>61466736
Maybe because the drivers are shit and also they need reduce the TDP for the RX version?

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Lets post some babies

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>>61466795
I mean, it is a bit odd when testers were able to significantly undervolt it at stock clocks, especially since it's supposed to have power gating. Kind of odd, no?

>>61466816
Promotional models are the worst. I don't even know why, but for some reason I loathe them and the whole idea of promotional modeling.

>>61466736
AMD has always done better in compute workloads. That's why people buy them for mining.

>>61466816
Roxanne you don't have to put on the red light
Those days are over you don't have to sell your body to the night
Roxanne you don't have to wear that dress tonight
Walk the streets for money you don't care if it's wrong or if it's right
Roxanne You don't have to put on the red light
Roxanne You don't have to put on the red light
Roxanne (put on the red light)
Roxanne (put on the red light)
Roxanne (put on the red light)
Roxanne (put on the red light)
Roxanne (put on the red light) Oh
I loved you since I knew ya
I wouldn't talk down to ya
I have to tell you just how I feel
I won't share you with another boy
I know my mind is made up so put away your make-up
I told you once I won't tell you again it's a bad way
Roxanne you don't have to put on the red light
Roxanne you don't have to put on the red light
Roxanne (you don't have to put on the red light)

>>61466539
We'll know for sure eventually, next month. Everything now is speculation on limited data.

>>61467151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI4ssGtfdxw

Who the fuck cares about price when they can barely match a year old gtx 1080 performance wise?

>>61467341
Who cares I just want a GPU that isn't nvidiaids

>>61466539

Because Vega is a piece of shit for gayming. Simple!

>>61467341
At $300 I'd say it's alright. Not good but not dead in the water also. If they try to sell that POS at something like $500 they'd deserve all the memes. No one would want a Chernobyl recreation in their tower for the performance and the price of the 1080

>>61467341
>who the fuck cares if 480 is 970 for $200
>who the fuck cares if 1060 is 390 for $200

yeah, give me higher prices, I want to buy 1060 class GPU for 600, it's midrange dude!

>>61467593
this TDP for GPUs meme got out of hand

two simple things - CPU TDP matters because it has to push power through socket and you have to buy cooler yourself

GPU TDP doesn't matter because cooler is attached and calculated for you already and you power it directly from PSU.

it costs less than 3% more to run 300w card vs 250w card.

>>61467885
You're completely ignoring the fact that the cooling solutions on hotter cards is noisy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

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>>61466581
Simple. More raw compute, but shitty front end. All AMD GPUs are like this.

>>61468469
The image you quoted says the exact opposite, Creo being geometry bound

>>61468469
First of all, Vega only has like 5% more ALUs than P6000, and way less ROPs.
So there's no large theoretical tflops advantage like before for AMD.

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>>61465994

DELET_ THIS

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>>61465994
>having to bring in monitors to cause a price difference

Top fucking kek, this doesn't bode well for AMD

>>61467838
The price difference is in the monitor you stupid fuck, not the gpu.

G sync monitors are much more expensive than freesync monitors

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>>61468603

Which translates to a $300 win for Nvidia in Europe, the ME and east Asia because of amds inability to make distributors sell it for it's actual price.

>>61468622


in which third world shithole do you live where there is a whooping 300 bucks difference? And is there even any monitor product that has both a freesync and a goysync version? I can't find any in Sweden (the specs are the same but the design and name are different, and even then, the price difference is like 150 bucks)

>>61468665
The gsync monitor used in the comparison is $500 more expensive than the freesync one.

>>61466736
>So anyone who wants to draw a conclusion on how RX Vega will perform has to explain this contradiction.
First explain to me how ryzen can perform like a 7900x in professional workloads but perform like a 2600k in in games. It should not be possible.

>>61468665
>>61468716
You ignorant fucking swine

There is even a bigger difference between the monitors than 300$ meaning the Vega card might even cost more while performing the same as the 1080.

Stupid gay Swede

>>61468740
CPU =! GPU

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>>61468753
>yfw AMDrones are actualy excited for this piece of trash

>they still deludedly believe it will somehow be cheaper than a 1080 while the gpu is obviously much more expensive to manufacture (much bigger die, HBM2)

>>61468716
>>61468752

Oh wow, so they are using a top-of-the-line Asus ROG 34" 21:9 3440x1440 265Hz goysync monitor for Nvidia

but using the cheapest shit from a hong kong ebay monitor (1920x1080, 144Hz, 16:9) for their FreeSync monitor?

totally fair comparison my dude. I can find that 500 bucks difference by doing what AMD is doing, but I can also find only a 150 bucks difference if I choose the same specs for both monitors

>>61468752
Isn't the Vega FE like 1000 bucks or some shit. Iirc the Nvidia quadro gpu which is in the titan xp is around the same price as the quadro at also like 1.2k. Obviously they'll cut down the vega FE to make the rx Vega like Nvidia did with the 1080 ti but even then the 1080 ti is like 700 bucks so you might be onto something.

All in all Vega is looking like trash for gaming though anyway.

>>61468780

Samsung is an AMD Epyc partner

maybe AMD gets discount HBM2 prices

>>61468780
Who. Are. You. Quoting.

>>61468807
Come on....

>>61468785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyyOP3ZI6qc
It's all explained here

>>61468821
The person I quoted

https://twitter.com/AMD_UK/status/887653978049318914

NVIDIOT BTFO

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>>61468847

>"AMD to show off the impossible at Siggraph 2017"

Holy shit, prepare your anus Nvidia. RX Vega is gonna fucking beat 1080Ti and cost 300 bucks less

>>61468873
It's either gonna be cheap as dirt or performing really fucking good and expensive.
Honestly I think the market would prefer the first, 1080+ for $400? Give us another Ryzen

>>61468665
>>61468785
The guys running the event said both monitors are 1440ultrawide 100Hz with freesync and goysync respectively.

Freesync monitor
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4UQIGT
>$749
>On special from normal price of $799

Goysync monitor
>https://www.amazon.com/Asus-PG348Q-34-Inch-Ultra-wide-Monitor/dp/B01C83BE6U
>$1182.99
>On special from normal price of $1299

Those are the best prices I can be bothered to find.

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>>61465994
This is some pretty pathetic stuff

Instead of focusing on the performance or actual price difference between the cards, they went out of their way to find two monitors with the same resolution and largest price difference. AND they show it in one of the most AMD favored games ofcourse, most likely running the 1080 on the shittest api and the rx vega on the best api.

This straight away tells you two things, the performance is not significantly higher than that of the 1080 and the price is not lower than that of the 1080.

Any marketeer worth its salt would have pointed out any of these two things if they actualy were the case.

And we aren't even talking about the power consumption, with rumoured tdp's of 375w on the top vega card it's going to be insane.

And keep in mind, they are 'announcing' not even releasing this A YEAR LATER than the competition.

AMD is officialy done for in the high end market. As if not beating Pascal wasn't enough Volta is on its way which will be the nail in the coffin.

>>61468873
>AMD shows off the impossible
A card that draws 600W and barely performs better than a 1080

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>>61468939

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>2017
>the return of 3-slot cooling

>>61465994
AMD is cheap unreliable trash for poor people. Was and always will be. Literally equivalent of poor people buying expensive phones.

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>>61469027

don't forget that they are expanding the PCB height aswell (not lenght, but the height, shown in pic related)

>>61465994

- They can't compete with the competitor's products.
- "Our product is just as good in practice. Even though it's slower you don't notice the difference."
- Adaptive sync makes things much harder to spot the difference.
- If it would have been faster they would have shown real numbers.
- They used GTX 1080 which means that it's no where near GTX 1080 Ti. If they did use GTX 1080 Ti it doesn't really change much.

Vega might be decent architecture for APUs but it seems to have serious scalability issues. Either AMD should start to rethink their approach when it comes to keeping GCN alive forever or they should just ditch GloFo until 7nm process is ready. On top of that RTG's marketing team does just ridiculous things. "Poor volta" Seems like that's going to bite in their ass.

>>61468469
>Creo
>benefiting from moar ALUs
?

>>61468053
>buying reference
>ever

it's true about reference, but same can be said about reference 1080 it's hot and loud.

>>61466736
hardware schedulers, more cores

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>>61468939

>>61466736
The same reason the 390x lost to the GTX 980 in games but was vastly Superior in computing.
The hardware scheduler is not necessary for games.

>>61469242
What the fuck scheduling has to do with bonkers geomtry perf of Vega?

>>61469242
You're confusing compute with graphic/geometry workloads..

Maya, Audocad, 3ds, creo are NOT compute, they're graphic workloads like games and Nvidia has always done fantastic in them.

>>61466656
no, they are different in a few ways, especially where accuracy of the rendered image is concerned (It doesn't matter necessarily if your textures are slightly misplaced when gaming)

>>61469255
Well it's the reason why AMD GPUs are good at compute.
But something with Vega is broken

>>61466656
>Are professional and gaming workloads really so similar? Honest question, I am by no means an expert on the subject.
Depends very much on what professional workloads you have. AMD has consistently offered far more compute power than Nvidia in the past due to their inefficient gaming performance otherwise, so that can translate to better results in professional applications.

I read that Vega FE in some cases has 350-400W of power draw. Can't wait for that powerbill.

>>61469278
Scheduling has NOTHING to do with compute perf you moron.
GCN historically had moar ALUs than nvidia products that competed with it.
That's not the case for Vega, its still 4k ALUs.
Guess why.

>>61469242
Anons, can you give me details on this reference to hardware schedulers?
Does AMD have more vs Nvidia on chip? Can someone give me some good source sauce?

>>61469096
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't enable goysync and used DX12 on the 1080 machine. Might explain why the AMD machine felt "smoother" as some have reported.

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>>61468939
>>61468873
>"AMD to show off the impossible at Siggraph 2017"

Has anyone drawn the connection that this might refer to the vega cube?

>>61467151
Why does this remind me of that song by Arctic Monkeys?

>>61469319
I had a screencap explaining GPU hardware schedulers.
Can't find it.

Basically allows more efficient computing, at the cost of drastically increased power usage and temps.
Example gtx480.

>>61469347
>"AMD are going to start making high-tech fingerboxes!"
All my wildest dreams have come true

>>61469429
What?
Are you fucking retarded?
GF100 was hot and hungry due to JHH thinking he can fab 500mm^2 die on a new node without preparation.
It has nothing to do with hardware scheduling.

>>61466888
I think it's a dying 'trade' in the western world, because of how tacky it is.
>we get it, they've got tits
I much rather they served a purpose than eye candy. Not that many of them are that attractive.
Serve me a beer or some nibbles. Stop standing there like a twat.
Would be much better if they had product knowledge. but that's expecting too much for what is a temp position.
Even at car shows they're thinning out. Blokes are much more interested in what they came for than some bimbo. Unless that bimbo built that car.

So has anyone explained why some 5 billion transistors in Vega are just sitting there?
Because, they could have just shrunk Fiji, but they didn't.
They could have doubled Polaris10, but didn't.
They could have released both a year earlier.

So what exactly is going on?

>>61468821
>Not understanding green text
>Typing. Like. This.
autism

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>>61469429
Yeah, I need that source source anon. See if you can find it. I think its a granularity type of deal. Nvidia has a couple of high level ones. So, I'm wondering what AMD has over this? Increased granularity of scheduling and more schedulers

>>61469584
It's a mystery.
Ask RTG for whitepapers if you want to know it.

>>61469584
Sandbagging.

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>>61469463
You seemingly have no idea of what that cube symbolizes and allows for. In due time my friend.

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>>61465994
Perfect for the RX Vega

>>61466713
Holy fuck, if that's true then AMD's Vega is literally DOA.

>>61466713
They marketed Eyefinity the same way despite having superior halo products back then. It's fucking AMD.
So yes, kill yourself.

10% faster than a 1080 for $400 at 300W
Can easily pull another 15% with 400w overclock.


Heard it here first, screencap this and quote me in 2 weeks, I dare you.

>>61469719
Modular rads?
Sign me the fuck up!
Hope they have the smaller on in copper as well.

>>61469817
Some managed to hit 1700Mhz, that's a lot for GCN.
I imagine RX chips with proper hbm/vrm cooling could hit 1800 with golden samples and probably higher with modified BIOS


Dat power though, pair it up with a volcanolake-x

>>61469817
You mean 10% faster in 2 12 and 18 months old games that every AMD shill is using. 20 to 30% behind in anything that's actually played by normies like GTA5, AC, Fallout 4 or Playerunknown's Battlegrounds (And before you accuse me of bias I literally named top games in terms of player bases from steam charts).

>>61465994

Have you checked the market recently? Id try and explain to you how retarded extacly is what you wrote but im pretty sure none of it will get through so ill just leave it at that.

>>61468922
It doesn't matter if Vega was released a year ago and outperformed Pascal. Idiots still wouldn't have bought it because it didn't have an obnoxious green color.

I'm glad that Nvidia will have the monopoly that gaymer faggots begged for. It's exactly what you deserve.

>>61469719
What the fuck is that long one
I know it's a rad, but for what

>>61469719
but will it work for skylake-x?

>>61469817
>already competes with full gp102
>10% faster than 1080
?

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>>61469817
All of this is appealing except for that TDP.
That being said, if it's priced right and performs right, some considerations can be made w.r.t to cooling and limited use.

Seems it might be a wedge.
Seems it might be a game changer.

Time will seemingly tell.
I still feel :
>"AMD to show off the impossible at Siggraph 2017"
Refers to something that hasn't been detailed at all. I really feel this might have to do with a potentially exposed infinity fabric link between GPUs

In any event, i'm comfy.
This can go several ways.. All of which will be good.

If it's just overclocked Fiji then why are the drivers in such a mess and why is all the team on driver development? Even Raja said he wishes the drivers are like Polaris.

This Fiji meme holds no water, Fiji on LN2 can't reach 1500Mhz, yet vega on water can go 1700+

>>61470003
Everyone knows it's not Fiji.
Fuck, its barely even GCN in anything but ISA.

RTG has spent the last 2 years pretending to be retarded.

>>61470159
Exquisite marketing.
Sasuga RTG, Nvidia will never know what hit them.

>>61470198
>some leper comes out of nowhere and bitchslaps you

It'll happen to nvidia again sooner or later, Intel's getting their just deserts currently.

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tfw you know its going be another massive disappointment but youll buy it anyway just to spite the porcine green jew

>>61470258
It happened before.
See R300 versus 4 series.

>>61469629
>"The AMD HyperBox™ contains 52 trillion transistors which come together to provide the ultimate in textile-sensation experience, with an astonishing 59,432 unique combinations, which engineers say they're not even close to the limit, it will surely find a place in everybody's home."
Can't. Fucking. Wait!

>>61470270
Forgetting r700, TeraScale and Tahiti?

>>61470290
No, I just mentioned when that happened the first time.

>>61469027
there are multiple 2.5 slot cards on the market right now

Nvidia still has a problem with flakey drivers, there are lots of people having problems on boards out there. I am using a year old driver because the newest one have random cut outs after a few hours. This has been a Nvidia problem for years. ATI is not perfect though.

>>61470933
I'm still using an rx480 driver from October last year, because everything before and after it has been unstable and introduced problems.

The diver problem must be affecting Nvidia sales. They seem to have stopped cooperating so much with FOSS projects. AMD is much more cooperative so I think I will go with AMD for my next Linux netbox I will build soon. Intel have always cooperated with FOSS and they are great for workstations but the subtle shading is not quite as good as the AMD Nvidia solutions yet.

Wasn't the monitor like 500 more expensive on nvidia? So VEGA will cost 200 more than a 1080.

In the mid range Nvidia has been done for years. I won't buy a fucking graphic card for 700$, stop thinking everyone is rich as fuck

>>61471259
The only reason that would happen is that RX is a very low volume product.
Just like I was saying, why sell a $500 card when you can sell a $1000 one?

>>61465994
I'd pay more than $300 not to have to deal with AMD drivers and other fuckups.

>>61471399
You'd pay $300 more for exclusive bricking software and exploding mosfets

>>61471259

because it is ~40% faster than an AIB 1080 Ti.

>>61471474
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
No.

>>61471474

>source: my dad works for Nintendo

>>61467039
>AMD has always done better in compute workloads.
3D rendering is a compute workload?

>>61468469
>Simple. More raw compute, but shitty front end. All AMD GPUs are like this.
3D rendering is compute bound? Creo is not geometry bound? What the fuck am I reading?

>>61469584
There are basically only two possibilities, and unfortunately all the idiotic /v/ermin infesting these threads are too ignorant to even be capable of explaining either of them.

We already know unequivocally from people who examined the drivers from FE that none of the Vega's new uarch features were enabled. Literally NONE of them. So either the silicon is fucked and they had to be disabled in hardware, or the drivers that enable all the new uarch features are still being worked on and haven't been released yet.

IF it's the latter, then we basically won't have much of an idea of what Vega is actually capable of in gaming workloads (for better OR worse) until RX Vega is released with drivers that enable the new uarch features.

Trying to judge RX Vega performance based on FE is like trying to judge Intel performance in AVX workloads on engineering samples that had all the AVX features disabled (i.e. pointless).

>>61471259
I don't think anyone explicitly said that monitor is part of equation, we all just assumed it is. AMD surprised everyone with prices three times this year , heck this 3 months, let's hope there going to be fourth.

>>61471685
There's also the chance that RX won't have some features enabled, time conatraints and all.

>>61471751
What features? 2:1 FP16? That's all they can possibly disable on RX Vegas.

>>61468469
It's a anus probe linked to iPhone?

>>61471768
FE has half the TMU performance, some 40% lower bandwith, disabled TBR, funky geometry performance, unknown HBCC enablement and god knows what else comapred to Fiji(stock comparisons, not even same clock)
Pretty much someone ran the beyond3D suite with Vega and found a shitload of inconsistencies.
I don't expect RX driver to fix them on day 1.


Getting that bandwidth and texture performance back is absolutely cruicial, that's the real bottleneck, not TBR that will lower power draw.

I'm not expect

>>61466044
5 frames at 4K can be 10%.

If Vega has a 10-15% performance advantage over 1080 for the same price, that's obviously good.

>>61466101
Sure, but it also speaks volumes to what a cuck-tax G-Sync is.

>>61471685
None of this is helping public perception of AMD as being incompetent and perpetually lagging behind. They're not going to win any respect or appreciation from anyone if their shit is constantly late and broken.

>>61469429
>more efficient
>drastically higher power consumption
Pick one

Hardware scheduling is just a dumb way to avoid better driver scheduling for distributing calls to the gpu by the system, which is the task drivers act as a translator for. It's a big money saving scheme so they can overwork engineers and not spend extra money on actual software developers who know what the hell they're doing

>>61466063
Gsync/freesync will be irrelevant when hdmi 2.1 comes.

>>61472085
>They're not going to win any respect or appreciation from anyone if their shit is constantly late and broken.
I dunno.
Nvidia managed to sell a lot of Thermis and these were both late and broken.

>>61472085
They csn start fresh then, like they did with CPUs.

And if they pour some of that CPU money into RTG you can bet they will.

>>61466581
Drivers. My chinkpad had a FirePro card that ran games like ass, but with the equivalent Radeon drivers it ran games just fine

>>61471685
Rys from AMD confirmed no features on the card had been disabled (aka gimped).
>https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1989522/

>>61469319
>>61469611

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIoZB-cnjc0

>>61472332
Yet the features are not working in games.
But it stomps full GP102 in Creo.

>>61472332
He says the driver isn't intentionally gimped, but it's an old driver.
He doesn't say that the old driver is using all the features. We in fact know it doesn't because it performs exactly like an overclocked Fury X.

>>61472567
>an old driver
If you read through that link you'd see the person who is investigating the drivers found they were certified only a few days before the release of Vega FE. So they're not old drivers.

>>61472614
FE driver has two driver stacks, anon.

>>61472614
Only OGL was certified recently, the rest was old and Vulkan part dated to April iirc.

I'm not expecting 1080ti gaming performance, but FE molesting a P6000 for 1/5 the cost gives me a lot of hope.

Why did it take a full month for workstation software review? From fucking German Tom's as well.

Fucking shitty nigger clickbait western sites, fuck them to hell.

>>61472332
>>61472614

You realize that people have investigated the drivers and already proved that none of Vega's new uarch features are enabled on the gaming drivers, right? Like, this is not a matter of opinion.

The question to be answered is CAN they be enabled on RX Vega, and if so, WHAT effect will they have on performance? Again, it makes ZERO sense to be able to beat a P6000 in a geometry bound pro workload and then tie a 1080 in gaming.

>>61472764
>m-muh vidya
Ban all /v/ermin.

>>61472764
Pcper got the card first instead of some professional site kike pugetsystems or computerbase, this is again another marketing fuckup by RTG

I mean that's basically stabbing yourself in the fucking face, you know they'll test your workstation card in games and completely skim over workstation performance for clickbait.

>>61472899
If your CPU can't get you 500 fps in CS:GO then it's shit.

>>61472837
proofs

>>61469572
>I think it's a dying 'trade' in the western world
No. It's a dying trade in cucked countries like the US where men are ashamed of being attracted to good looking women.

Booth babes are the second best thing about conventions.

>>61473329

>http://digiworthy.com/2017/06/30/amd-vega-frontier-tile-based-rasterizer/

There is proof Vega FE isn't doing tiled based rasterization, yet.

>>61473329
>>61473617
>http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2990-vega-frontier-edition-undervolt-benchmarks-improve-performance

GN's undervolting article proves that Vega FE is not doing any power gating of any kind, even though adaptive voltage & frequency scaling (AVFS) should mean it shouldn't be staying at 1.2v regardless of clocks.

>>61471496

I lost everytime!

>>61473750
Vega has AVFS?
God i pity RTG driver team.

>>61466160
that's my line lol

Let's be honest here guys.
Unless AMD is sandbagging his cards for some shit reason, RX Vega is gonna be trash.
Vega FE literally draws more power than a RX 480 crossfire, and manages to perform worse.

>>61473793
>manages to perform worse
>trades blows with full GP102
?

>>61473793
Well I have a crossfire rx 480, and it wipes the floor with Vega FE in every benchmark.

>>61473813
Except DX11 benchmarks, you mean.

>>61473818
Of course, there are still games that don't scale, but when it does, it's overkill.

>it's been an entire year since GTX 10 series was released
>AMD releases something better and BTFOs nvidia
>next year nvdia releases GTX 11 series and BTFOs AMD

I'm starting to notice a pattern here...could it be that this happens every year?

>>61473329
>http://www.overclock.net/t/1633406/so-what-went-wrong-with-vega/120#post_26214239

Unfortunately as I don't speak German I have to link to this forum post translating that HBCC appears to be disabled in gaming mode. So is Vega's advanced clock gating (ACG).

So basically, Vega FE gaming mode has TBR, AVFS, ACG and HBCC disabled, which is basically most of Vega's new uarch features for gaming.

So how can anyone reliably predict how RX Vega is going to perform in games? This is exactly like lambasting an engineering sample Intel CPU with all AVX instructions disabled on the chip for having mediocre AVX performance.

>>61465994
>MD told attendees that the AMD and NVIDIA systems had a $300 difference in AMD's favor

Yeah, the cost of g-sync, not the card

>>61473860
You forgot that Primitve Shaders are also disabled.

>>61473871
>300$ difference.
Maybe the AMD system is 300$ more costly, lmao.

>>61473888
>In AMD's favor
>higher price is better
???

Inb4, they compared it to a 1070.
Good thing Vega is shit at mining, and will become the new 1070.

>>61473903
Well no, it's worse, but the level of autism at AMD's marketing is really up there.

>>61473859
Just like nvidia released nv30 and BTFOed ATi?
Wait...

>>61465994
I bet the systems included some expensive Intel turd in the nvidia machine, or some other underhanded bullshit.

>>61473873
True.

I'll say it again, they are going to surprise everyone with the price again this year.

>>61465994
The card in the other system was a 1070, not a 1080. Look at the leaked photos.

The idiots left the PCs untended. A guy rushed in front and the cunts that were there to promote all of the event didn't say a single thing. The PC on the left has a 1070 that's OC'd and the PC on the right has a Vega XTX watercooled GPU. The images will become more popular in the upcoming days.

>>61473971
both had ryzen

>>61474047
source

>>61474033
No, it's Fury 2.0.
It's gonna be 600$ at least.
HBM2 alone dictates that price.

>>61474047
>look at the leaked photos
Post those leaked photos instead of pulling shit out of your ass.

>>61474064
>HBM2 alone dictates that price
4-hi stacks cost peanuts. And there's only two of them.

>>61474064
cheapest version is going to be $300.
Screenshot this

>>61474085
>$300 card delivering 1080 performance
>$450 card delivering 1080TI performance

Thank you, based AMD!

>>61474064
>no they will sell 8 core for $800 I tell you
>noway AMD will sell 15 less than $1500
>noway AMD will sell workstation card compared to $5000 card for $999

I wonder if anyone has a screencap of a faggot that was giving blood oaths in january that ryzen 8c will cost $799.

>>61474064
M8, the RAM only costs like 15 dollarydoos for gddr5. HBM can't be more than 2x the price and at most 4x for the 16GB stacks. That's still cheap enough to put on a $500 card unless you have 10% margins

>>61474077
>>61474085
They'll be selling it at a loss then.
Also, top end model will be watercooled as Fury was. And barely beat a 1080.

>>61474047
>Look at the leaked photos.
>The images will become more popular in the upcoming days.
Why not just upload them here ?

>>61474111
>They'll be selling it at a loss then.
Wut? Both companies sold ~600mm^2 dies at profit.
>And barely beat a 1080.
Benchmarks please?

>>61474072
>Pulling shit out of my ass.
Can't, AMD is hunting like crazy. The chinese threads were both deleted almost immediately after they were posted. There's a team of a few people who will spread the images all over reddit and 4chan in the next days. The thing is, AMD is at the moment preparing to announce the fact that they faked the whole thing due to the fact that there was 2 pictures taken and instantly shared of the PC with NVCP clearly stating GTX 1070. AMD has another few bad apples they have to admit. At the moment they are required around 1-2 million dollars to not get pictures and proof posted. The images are soon to be posted. Stay on 4chan in the upcoming week.

>>61474127
because the images don't exist

>>61472100
>Hardware scheduling is just a dumb way to avoid better driver scheduling for distributing calls to the gpu by the system, which is the task drivers act as a translator for.
By that logic, you'd be arguing for Itanium over a traditional OoO CPU.

>>61474134
>>>/x/

>>61474134
woah, slow down there kid

>>61474134
Hello? Terry? Is that you?

>>61469074
you mean width?

On HBM2 pricing topic, Samsung recently increased production, something is up.

>>61474132
>Benchmarks please?
Vega FE

It's the same fucking silicon guyz.
If they've got something in the bag for increasing performance 50%, then fine.
Else, I'll just buy a 1080Ti.
I was waiting for this shit forever, planning to crossfire it.
But now, I know I'd just be killing my power supply, so I might as well go green if I'm just gonna use one card.

>>61473859
Except every leak so far shows that Vega will at best compete with 1080 and only in cherry picked DX12/Vulkan benchmarks.
Also it's not a pattern since AMD couldn't compete with Nvidia's 1 year old best offers for almost 5 years now.

>>61474186
>Vega FE
It skins full GP102 even in geometry.
>>61474184
No shit they are going to ramp up HBM production, shit is going mainstream.
Expect low-cost HBM in ~half a year i guess.

>>61474186
FE is air cooled though, FE water comes q3.

>>61474218
FE water is already out.
You can buy one.

>>61468053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

>>61474210
I'd say it's already qutie a lwo cost, as far as I know two stacks of 4GB cost less than number of modules you need for 8GB of gddr5x

fury x cost more because old 28nm node pushed to the limit and assembly of HBM wasn't good enough, it should be within reasonable pricing now

and obviously nvidia doesn't use HBM as much only because they'd have to pay AMD for it and low supply last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qspdnAYiiug&t=78s
Hol up.
>>61474282
Samsung's low-cost HBM has less TSV thus quite literally peanuts-cheap.
HBM2 is good for halo products.
Low-cost HBM will win mainstream.

>>61466280
>tbp =/= tdp =/= actual power draw or heat
Yeah magically the actual power draw is going to be lower than the TDP because AMD can engineer beyond the laws of physics.

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>>61474311

RTG should be honest. the hype-lie-disappoint strategy isn't working.

>>61474385
I think you're trying a little bit too hard.

>>61474311
Good job of being another idiot in the pile failing to understand what TDP means.

Hint, a card that draws 300W an have a 100W TDP and that's perfectly legal.
It's up to your limited brwin capacity to find out why that is.

>>61474355
>uhhh
>posts shitty numbers without any context
Thanks.

>>61474400
Yeah but you'll never have a tdp that's lower than the fucking power draw which was my point you fucking illiterate fucko.

>>61474395
I'm being serious

>>61474425
That's plainly false.

>>61473612
You must go to some really shit conventions.

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>vega
>amdtards

>>61474402
>shitty numbers without context
>I literally can't read

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HBM was a mistake

>>61474434
Then you're fucking retarded since you can't lie to shareholders.

>>61474311
>power draw is going to be lower than the TDP
>>61474425
>tdp that's lower than the fucking power draw

make up your mind retard

>>61474478
>better memory was a mistake
?
GDDR5 in 4870 was also a mistake?

>>61469343
>I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't enable goysync and used DX12 on the 1080 machine.
>Might explain why the AMD machine felt "smoother" as some have reported.
It might be a little bit of confirmation bias as well since amd only asks the people they know would give a favorable andwer, and finds ways to punish anyone who doesn't say what they like.

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>nvidia
>is done

>>61465994
They also said two RX 480 were faster than a 1080 and $200 cheaper.

lol

>>61474616
fuck off tripnigger

>>61474616
So you show your face again, Court Jester.

>>61474636
Protip, they lie.

>>61474662
Protip, fuck off back to the windows vs linux threads and stay there

>>61469873
>I'm glad that Nvidia will have the monopoly that gaymer faggots begged for. It's exactly what you deserve.
Nvidia has the monopoly in everything gpu related. That's more amd's fault, and not the consumers you ding dong. Do you expect people to pay more for mediocrity, or is rewarding failure just common in your life?

>>61474675
Shilling AMD is basically the same mentality that women have when they stay with abusive men.

>>61474699
Actually I take that back, they get off on it sexually, I doubt you can get off with AMD's drivers crashing your porn vids.

>>61474685
>That's more amd's fault, and not the consumers you ding dong.
>consumers don't buy AMD
>but AMD needs to deliver product despite being inprofitable
?

>>61474497
Expensive, not faster than the latest version of GDDR5x/GDDR6, you only save 15w max, poor availability etc

>>61474818
>Expensive
No.
>not faster than the latest version of GDDR5x/GDDR6
It's fast enough with two stacks.
>you only save 15w max
And fuckton of die space.
>poor availability

>>61474841
>Expensive
>No

Expensive yes

>>61474841
>HBMeme
>not more expensive than GDDR

>>61474854
What's with that meme?
4-hi stacks cost peanuts.

>>61474867
It is more expensive than regular GDDR5 you fucknut

>We'll undercut the competition!
Yeah, it's not as though NVIDIA can respond in kind.

>>61474718
It's amd's responsibility to provide a competitive product that people want to purchase, and not the consumer.
If they can't do that while making a profit then they are in the wrong industry anon.

>>61474858
It's maybe 5% more expensive than 12 GDDR5x chips and traces WITH interposer.
>>61474877
No one uses regular GDDR5 in halo offerings.
>>61474879
>It's amd's responsibility to provide a competitive product that people want to purchase, and not the consumer.
They did, several times.
It sold like shit considering the effort AMD put into it.
Yes, gaymen love JHH's cock.

>>61474899
>your whole post
yeaah..no

>>61474924
Ohhh...
...yes.

>>61474924
>lalalala I can't hear you

your whole post.

>>61474899
>They did, several times.
It sold like shit considering the effort AMD put into it.
Yes amd gets rewarded by sales when they release a worthy product. If AMD kept realeasing competitive products at competituve price points then they would have the monopoly, but I'm not going to buy the shit that they failed on just because they "tried".

>>61474699
>goyvidia keep fucking customers int he ass over the years, giving zero shits
>ayymd is stubid
no tripfriend, novidia customers are the true cucks

>>61474975
>If AMD kept realeasing competitive products at competituve price points then they would have the monopoly
Haha they have ~1.5 years of superior products and barely clawed 10% marketshare during that.
Come on, goymen GPU market is doomed for ATi/AMD since 8800 times.

>>61475001
Cheaper, not superior.

And a large portion of that time Nvidia was still cheaper due to inflation.

>>61475001
>Haha they have ~1.5 years of superior products and barely clawed 10% marketshare during that.
Examples
>Come on, goymen GPU market is doomed for ATi/AMD since 8800 times.
You act like amd didn't earn the spot that they're in.

>>61475025
(You) tried.
>>61475030
>Examples
Newfag.
>You act like amd didn't earn the spot that they're in.
Oh, even worse.

>>61475043
More like AMD tried (to be cheaper).
Then miners basically bent them over and fucked them in the ass and their entire marketing campaign about muh $200 dollar VR card fell apart because you couldn't actually buy the card anywhere near that price point.

>>61475069
(You).

>>61475043
>Examples
Newfag.
Zero examples so hurr newfag
>Oh, even worse.
Wew lass

>>61475098
Newshit please.

>>61468757
>=!
!=

>>61466539

This is how workstation cards performed traditionally.

It's only really in recent years that I can remember workstation cards performing really well in gaming. (Mostly because the 1080ti/titan are based off of one.)

It all comes down to drivers. Vega's gaming drivers are an afterthought compared to the professional drivers because the card is targeted at the market that Nvidia pretends the TitanX is for.

>>61475111
>Newshit please
Anon got btfoed tears for proof.

>>61475159
>Vega's gaming drivers are an afterthought compared to the professional drivers

So you are saying AMD's drivers are bad.

>>61475173
Anon that's embarrassing.

>>61471565
Yes.

>>61475182
no, they are not even there to begin with

>>61475111
>Newshit please.
This guy is what happens when parents refuse to spank children, and choose to reward failure.

>yfw "That post doesn't exist anymore"

Reminder to filter cancerous tripfags.

>>61475239
>mentally ill dipshits
Maybe you should stop using a tripcode in the first place if you don't like anons noticing that it's the same person being retarded over and over again. I don't even care about names and trips in the first place but your posts are so consistently stupid that you're pretty much burned into the mind of every regulars here, whether they like it or not. It doesn't help that there are a few anons more than willing to compile a history of your retarded posts on an image so that it could get reposted whenever your retarded ass decided to show up so that others can laugh at you without them having to dig up the archives.

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Holly shit! kek

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>>61468939
DELET THIS.

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>>61475310
>mfw this thread is so cancerous even the generic "AMD sucks" shitposts can't compare to the [Deleted] purge

>>61470265
>but youll buy it anyway just to spite the porcine green jew
sad!

No one is retarded enough to buy the rx Vega, right?

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>>61472348
Solid sauce ! Thanks desu.

>>61475757
No-one is retarded enough to make a purchasing decision on a product that's not even out yet and nobody knows the pricing for, right?

Terrible excuses. There is masses of evidence pointing towards inferior performance improvement over the space of a year compared to the competition gpu. What's next, you're going to say it's faster than a 1080 ti despite all evidence and Vega FE benches showing otherwise in games? And pricing means fuck all. It's fluctuates based on region and taxing. The last time AMD was cheaper here was back in the 7xxx series which was almost 6 years ago.

>>61474134
This is the most batshit crazy post in the entire shitty thread. Congratulations.

>>61475773
>>61475869

>>61465994
Who cares, GPUs are too expensive right now anyway. I wish minerfags would hang themselves, I really need an upgrade.

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>>61472100
Yeah, you tell'em! DX11 forever, bros!

>>61475869
>The last time AMD was cheaper here
Nobody cares about your regional bullshit. MSRP and US pricing are all that matters.

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>>61475895
Vega is going to sell out even if it sucks for mining due to these faggots.

>in b4 eth crashed

1. It'll come back in the form of some other coin
2. It's still profitable, just not as much
3. Miners are stupid and will buy it anyway

>>61475895
I was going to have a friend pay me to build a computer recently but now I can't because all of the normies went
>durr hurr bitcoin mining 5 years late
so now gpu prices are inflated and I can't build him a gaming computer because he is aware of this and isn't going to pay shit prices for a mid range card.

>>61475917
Keep thinking that ranjeet. It's for that exact reason why AMD had fuck all sales compared to Nvidia in the rest of the world. Their pricing is terrible.

But people only but Nvidia because of fanboyism amirite?

>>61475990
>It's for that exact reason why AMD had fuck all sales compared to Nvidia in the rest of the world.
Haha no.
You know why nvidia sells.
They even managed to sell thermis.

>>61475990
Buy*

>>61475990
Explain how they set pricing for the entire rest of the world.

>>61475949
When's vega even releasing?
>>61475951
It's fucking insane desu. Prices are inflated here as is because muh 21% VAT and with the minershit ontop it's just retarded. A 1080 ti will set you back 1000 to 1200 eurobucks here.

>>61476002
So you're saying pc gamers are all Nvidia fanboy that buy Nvidia just to spite AMD? Speak up, don't give half answers. Let the thread know how you really think.

>>61466713
>$500 difference just for the monitor alone

Wait, if AMD says that the setup is $300 cheaper, but the monitor costs $500 more, does that mean that Vega will cost $200 more than a 1080?

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>>61465994
OY VEYY

HOW CAN WE COMPETE WITH THOSE PRICES?

>>61476049
>So you're saying pc gamers are all Nvidia fanboy that buy Nvidia just to spite AMD
No, they buy nvidia because it's nvidia.

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>>61474616
Kill yourself you perma-BTFO'd tripfaggot

>>61476055
Yep they're going to completely price themselves out of the market and sell a 1080 for 1080 ti prices. Even though their CPU prices are undercutting the competition by more than half. You're a genius.

>>61476016
Distribution costs and deals. If it costs company A 10 cents to distribute one box of their product to retailers but company B, despite the actual product having lower MSRP, costs 30 cents to distribute that same product to retailers then that has a knock on effect on final retail pricing. This isn't the only factor but AMD clearly don't have good deals on transit and all that compared to Nvidia when it comes to the rest of the world.

AdoredTV is shit

>>61476138
Thanks for the update, random shitposter.

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>>61476062
You mean how do they compete at that tdp

>>61476075
So you're agreeing with what I'm saying when I said that you think people buy Nvidia out of fanboyism and loyalty just to spite AMD, yes?

Everyone who has ever bought Nvidia is because they have loyalty yes?

>>61476134
So how is any of that AMD's fault?

>>61476047
>When's vega even releasing?
July 31st on paper, but the AIB scheduling was leaked, so we know that it will be a paper launch. They are not releasing the BIOS to AIBs until next month, so they can't even begin production until then.

It'll be end of summer until you can buy Vega FX.

>>61476178
Yes since g80 times.

>>61476192
Reference cards will be released before then.

>>61473767
:^)

>>61474077
>4-hi stacks cost peanuts.

Yes, but putting them, and the gpu, on the same interposer, ends up tanking the yields.

It was so bad that their dual fury card came with a 3rd gpu you could use as a keychain.

>>61476181
It's their fault for having shit pricing globally like I said. They're in charge of distribution costs. If Nvidia can keep their pricing as close to msrp then so can AMD. We're talking about an international company here. AMD isn't a company that only operates in America.

>>61476222
How is this any different from what they're doing with Zen's IF MCM design? I don't see insane prices on those.

>>61476222
No unless your assembly is ass backwards.
What adds cost is interposer itself.

>>61476258
>AMD sells to distributors
>Distributors jack up pricing
>Local tax laws jack it up further
>"HURR DURR IT'S ALL AMD'S FAULT"

>>61476258
>Nvidia can keep their pricing as close to msrp
I'm going to assume you were trying to say as close as they do to msrp.

If you hadn't noticed, prices on Nvidia cards have inflated quite a bit recently.

I don't think you have an argument let alone a logical train of thought.

>>61476206
So everyone who bought a 1060 to make it the most popular gpu in the world on the steam survey is an Nvidia fanboy amirite?

>>61476323
Yes.
People unironically bought overpriced horse goo that was Thermi or GT200's.

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>>61476162
using their new 12 core thermal resistor processors

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>>61476342
Ryzen: Low power CPU
Vega: Power hungry GPU

It all balances out. AMD wins again, baby.

>>61476320
>retard can't tell the difference between supply shortage and price hiking and general pricing due to distribution cost and taxation

Christ

>>61476363
>power hungry
>280 watts for 4k ALUs with hardware scheduling
?

>>61476340
You are either baiting really hard or you're severely mentally deficient.

>>61476385
>people buy nvidia because it's nvidia
>b-bait
?

>>61468939
>280 watts
But that would make your JOEK less funny so let's pretend a single Vega card uses twice as much power as my entire PC does at full load.

>>61476413
>talks about rx Vega pricing
>I say Nvidia is cheaper in a lot of places globally which is why people have incentive to buy it
>retard suddenly forgets his pricing narrative and claims everyone who buys Nvidia is a fanboy loyalist who buys Nvidia just to spite AMD

At least keep the narrative straight pajeet.

>>61476504
People buy nvidia not to spite AMD. They buy it's because it's nvidia, ranjeet.

>>61476526
What does that make someone who buys AMD because they're AMD? True patrician amirite?

Yes goy please spend more on this fury x when the 980 ti is faster and cheaper.

>>61476504
>I say Nvidia is cheaper in a lot of places globally which is why people have incentive to buy it
This has been proven false time and time again on /pcbg/ except in some failed ex-soviet states that EU retailers don't ship to and some SEA countries.
The vast, vast majority of the time it's just that europoors are too stupid to know how to search online retailers.

>>61476690
In May before everything got sold out there was a €40 difference on pcpp between the cheapest 1060 6gb and 580 8gb in favour of the 1060. There were 6 (six) different models of 1060 which were cheaper than the 580. It wasn't a one off deal on a single 1060 model. This is there regular pricing.

>>61465994
So the $300 inludes cheaper processer, mobo, powe supply AND gpu. So the gpu itself may only be $50 - $100 cheaper than nvidias.

>>61466192
>Everyone has said it's 1080 performance.
Glad that amd could finally match a 13 month old card. Surly this is revolutionary technology.

>>61476783
I saw RX470s for €170-190 in March and April, and RX480s in the low-mid 200s.

For some reason, RX570/RX580 pricing jumped up a lot in Europe before the mining shit.

>>61476814
>implying the systems aren't perfect copies besides the gpus and the monitors
why the hell would AMD put vega with ryzen and nvidia with intel if ryzen is known to give lower fps?

>>61476814
Got any source on that claim? From what we've seen both computers were running on ryzen

>>61473612
Spoken like a true fedora wearing beta that needs to go to convention to approach women like this.

>>61476990
>>61476990

>Projecting

>>61465994
>fanboying any company that fights with monopoly and patents, doing proprietary software
moron.

>>61476192
Cool should have some cash available by then. Hope it actually manages to compete with Nvidia.