/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Someone was butthurt enough to modify the OP to intel. Jesus christ.

>>61457487
It's a guy that is very butthurt because he keeps trying to delete the 7700k completely from the OP (by force, aka creating a thread as soon as possible to prevent people from doing so), and keeps getting btfo'd over and over
He's gotten a ban recently for shitting up one of the previous threads, and has recently turned to falseflagging to shit it up even further
Just ignore him and his thread, report if possible, and everything will be good as always.

>>61457527
How desesperate.

1500 usd
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vy36Z8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vy36Z8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($308.87 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z270 Killer SLI/ac ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($102.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($131.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($90.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card ($799.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair - SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1565.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Is this worth for the 1080? I wanna get into gaming and streaming without drawbacks.

>>61457980
>streaming without drawbacks.
Why not an R7 1700 then? Or do you intend to stream using the GPU?
Doesn't make much sense when you can stream with a 1700 for a quite cheaper price overall

>>61457980
If you want to game and stream then get a Ryzen 7 1700

>>61458020
Fuck off retard.

>>61457980
>hyper 212 on that budget
>no NVMe
>is 1080 worth it
>streaming and gaming
nope, ryzen 7 and Vega (or gtx1070).

>>61457980
For streaming you'd be far better off with Ryzen. The Hyper 212 is shit, buy something better if you're spending that much money.

>>61458282
And last time you did it you got fucked and got a 3 days ban and the threads were perfectly calm yet again
Sperging is pointless.

>>61457980
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vY3b9W

>>61458293
just ignore him and he'll go back to his own thread

>>61457980
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6F7Wqk

Better CPU (for what you want), much better CPU cooler (though you could remove it entirely since the 1600 comes with a decent cooler) and faster RAM, for slightly less money.

>>61458323
you forgot PSU.
for only $50 more you can get a 500GB NVMe SSD that's significantly faster.
for €20 more you can get a 3TB HDD.
i think H5 is slightly better than that Noctua cooler.

Okay serious question. I have an rig with an 6700k/gtx1080, and I was looking to get into twitch streaming or similar. Now after looking through /pcbg/ for the past few months I was almost about to sell my PC and start a Ryzen build for the sake of high framerate gaming...until I got a webcam and did some testing.

I was recording, doing web browsing, running discord, etc, all while playing PU Battlegrounds, which is notoriously poorly optimized. At 1080p, in ultra, I'm still hitting 80+ fps in firefights, 120 fps in static environments....which is almost exactly what I get when I'm only running the game by itself.

So what gives, why does everyone shit on the Intel chips when it comes to multitasking? I see the cinebench results and they are impressive, but it doesn't seem to match up with the current fervor that Intel chips can't keep up when using multiple programs, because they can.

>>61458365

Lol my cheap sata M.2 cold boots in less than 15 seconds, 25 if when I run through the BIOS screen. How much faster could an NVMe be?

>>61458444
6700k is still perfectly fine for streaming (as your testing showed), no need to upgrade.

but it's a better value to buy Ryzen if you're upgrading from anything less than an i7.

and they shit on Intel because AMD is much cheaper for almost the same performance.

>>61458365
>you forgot PSU
He doesn't have a PSU in his original build, so I assume he already owns one.

>for only $50 more you can get a 500GB NVMe SSD that's significantly faster
For only $500 more you can get [x].

>for €20 more you can get a 3TB HDD
Good fucking luck with having an Ultrastar in your desktop. Enjoy hearing the noise it makes from the next town over. I fell for that meme with a build I made a few years ago and had replaced it with a WD Red within two weeks.

>i think H5 is slightly better than that Noctua cooler
They perform about the same, but the Noctua is smaller, quieter, has a better warranty and comes with AM4 support out of the box, rather than needing to order a kit.

r8 my build m8s, 8/8?
I'm trying to go all AMD, no Intel or Nvidia.
Then Samsung where I can because I really like their shit (except for anything they put TouchWiz or Tizen on).
Followed by Corsair because I like their aesthetic.

So it's kind of themed by the companies I want to support the most.
Although, I went with the GIgabyte mobo because it's exactly what I need, without any extra bells and whistles, and the G.Skill RAM because it's high speed, low latency, and good compatibility with Ryzen.

I'm still waiting on the RX Vega, though. They're not looking as good as I was hoping, but I want FreeSync, so hopefully one of the RX Vega GPUs will be roughly the power of a GTX 1080 at roughly the price of a GTX 1070.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgWYGf

>>61458528
That's unfortunate, but I'd rather support FreeSync of G-Sync.
Ain't no niggas ever gonna get G-Sync in their TVs; FreeSync is gonna be in everything.

>>61458444
>why does everyone shit on the Intel chips when it comes to multitasking?
>it doesn't seem to match up with the current fervor that Intel chips can't keep up when using multiple programs, because they can.
That is said about the i5s CPUs in general, not i7. i7 will still do good, but say you run something intensive like BF1 then it'll start shitting the bed. Whereas an R7 1700 can stream without any problem while playing any game there is, it's just straight up superior. But yeah, it doesn't mean you cannot stream on non-Ryzen CPUs.

>>61458482
>implying only boot speeds matter

>>61458510
>For only $500 more you can get [x].
50% higher cost for over 300% more performance and 100% more capacity. you're a fucking moron.

>Good fucking luck with having an Ultrastar in your desktop
there's 2TB options from other brands and models. 1TB drives are fucking terrible options these days.

>They perform about the same, but the Noctua is smaller, quieter, has a better warranty and comes with AM4 support out of the box, rather than needing to order a kit.
good points

>>61458444
>I was recording, doing web browsing, running discord, etc, all while playing PU Battlegrounds, which is notoriously poorly optimized. At 1080p, in ultra, I'm still hitting 80+ fps in firefights, 120 fps in static environments....which is almost exactly what I get when I'm only running the game by itself.
Were you putting the load on the CPU or GPU?
Considering how strong a GTX 1080 for 1080p, i'm fairly sure the load was on the GPU.

>>61458507

>cheaper for same performance.

Any Ryzen chip that's cheaper than a 6700k can't hit the same numbers in real world testing, only particular benchmarks.

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>>61458594
u w0t m8?

>>61458580
I run my games off my M.2 too. In Fallout 4 i don't even have time to read the loading screens

>>61458515
Can't say there is anything wrong in there, though where is the PSU?

>>61458593

My CPU was creeping up to 50c even with my fat 280mm rad, so there was a lot of load on it.

>>61458515
overpriced RAM.
you can get 500GB NVMe SSD for under $200.
check review on the monitor (that does UFO test) to confirm it's actually 100Hz and can output that and doesnt drop frames.
meme keyboard and mouse.

rest is fine

>>61458605

You realize in that graph that they keep swapping the 7700k and the 1700x to keep the better one on top and in most of those the 7700k performs better.

>>61458608
you're still missing the point, go look at some stats and benchmarks.

>>61458630
that's not how you check actual load.

>>61458653
it also costs a lot more

>>61458622
Shit, I forgot about the PSU because I'm still waiting on the GPU and always do the PSU last.

It's currently at 159W and the RX Vega is rumored to be anywhere from 200-300W.
If it's 300W, that puts my build at 460W.

So, should I get a 550W PSU or spend the extra $10-$20 in case I ever want dual GPUs and go with a 750W PSU?

>>61458038
>fuck off AMD POOJEET POORFAG

Do you honestly think that a 7700k can play AND steam?

would i be better off getting the anus b350-f strix for 546 pln or the msi b350 carbon for 528 pln?
looking at memory support, the msi is much better, i couldn't even find a single 3200 mhz kit under 650 pln which would be listed as supported, while msi claims the b350 carbon supports pretty much any kit i can find in stores
also the anus board has no ps/2, not sure how much that means these times
i've already ordered the ryzen 5 1600 so now i need to decide on the mobo pretty soon

>>61458671
if AMD get 600W.

never get dual GPUs it's a meme, it's better to replace with one better card.

>>61458702
what the fuck is a pln?

>>61458722
t. polack

>>61458668

1. I've been following the Ryzen chips since they were released. Except the number crunching benchmarks, it doesn't seem very well utilized

2. Please tell me how to check load

3. They're the same price but 7700k has no bugs and has more motherboard flexibility

>>61458644
>overpriced RAM.
All 3200Mhz 14CAS RAM is expensive, but Ryzen benefits a lot from high speed RAM. I don't mind paying more to eliminate bottlenecks.

>you can get 500GB NVMe SSD for under $200.
I don't want 500GB, though. I want 1TB of M.2 RAM because I want the fewest cables in my build and the fastest speeds.
Plus, I wouldn't need to upgrade that Samsung 960 EVO shit for a looooong time.


>check review on the monitor (that does UFO test) to confirm it's actually 100Hz and can output that and doesnt drop frames.
I didn't even know I could do that, thanks for the info.
What's the UFO test and where can I search this monitor's results in it?

>meme keyboard and mouse.
Fair enough, but I like RGB expernals, the keyboard has Cherry MX Silent switches (my girlfriend always complains about and Cherry MX switches I've had being too loud), and I'm a WoWfag, so that mouse is great for me.

>>61458722
The series of PSUs I'm interested in only come in 550, 650, 750, etc.
So should I go with 550 or 650?

>>61457980
If you want gaming AND streaming then definitely look into Ryzen. 1080 is fine, only consider Vega if you are not looking to build to immediately. I am in no way suggesting you wait for it as some might, but it may be another option if that lines up with your time frame. Mining craze is dying down but 1070 prices are still high so may as well go 1080, and certainly so if you are targeting higher refresh rates and resolutions.

>>61458751

Your RAM and CPU shouldn't be a bottleneck.

The M.2 drive is fine

And anything meme is usually worth the hype.

>>61458778
Read
>>61458444

>>61458786
Thanks! :3

>>61458722
>if AMD get 600W.
Lol no, the difference is way to slim to justify getting a 600w over a 550w, you have a hell lot of headroom with either

>>61458749
1. what
2. resource monitor or openhwmon
3. 1700 is almost $50 cheaper for more cores/threads. ryzen 5 performs almost identical in most tasks that are threaded for almost half the price

>>61458763
since AMD uses more power get the 650W

>>61458751
>CL14
that explains it but im not sure how much of a difference that makes in performance vs CL15 and 16 to make it worth it.

>I don't want 500GB, though. I want 1TB of M.2
my point was that there are cheaper options than Samsung PRO series for the same storage.
>RAM
wut?

>What's the UFO test
google monitor ufo test
>and where can I search this monitor's results in it?
i dont know of any site that has a repository for them. search for reviews and just go thru them and see if they do it.

guess mouse and kb is fine for you then.

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>Buying a used Xeon workstation with an E5-1620 and 16GB DDR3 RAM is more than $100 cheaper than what an equivalent performing CPU, Ryzen 1500X, 16GB DDR4 RAM and motherboard alone would cost new

So exactly why would I buy a PC new? If your budget is less than $800 then it makes no sense whatsoever to buy a PC new since any CPU worse than the 1600 isn't worth buying at retail price.

The only drawbacks I can see is that it's relatively power hungry and has limited upgradability but I can just sell it when I'm going to build a new rig.

>>61458844
it's only $10

>>61458858
>So exactly why would I buy a PC new?
to get the latest features the platform offers, if they appeal to you that is. otherwise, not really any.

>>61458882
>it's only $10
That doesn't mean it's necessary

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3hnHM8

Budget is £800
For Video Editing, CAD, light gaming
Plan it future to add another 8GB ram + HDD

>>61458851
>>RAM
>wut?
I meant to say SSD, not RAM.
Thank you for all your input.

>>61458580
>50% higher cost for over 300% more performance and 100% more capacity. you're a fucking moron.
You're the only fucking moron here, friend. A gaming/streaming rig will get precisely zero benefit from the extra speed. Spending more money for zero reason is the mark of a fucking moron.

>muh capacity
Actually, recommending SSDs for storage is the mark of a fucking moron.

>there's 2TB options from other brands and models. 1TB drives are fucking terrible options these days.
For just [x] more money, right? There's literally nothing wrong with a 1TB drive for basic storage needs.

Sorry that your build was bad, but there's no need to chimp out and start hurling insults. Though since you slipped a € in there by accident, I guess the cap fits...

>>61458896
looks good to me though i'd get the HDD now instead, unless you think you can hold on 500GB long enough

>>61458949
> Spending more money for zero reason is the mark of a fucking moron.
>100% more storage for only 50% more cost is not a reason
uhu

>recommending SSDs for storage is the mark of a fucking moron.
just because you dont have enough shit you want to store on a fast drive doesnt mean no one else doesnt have.

>just X money right
you seem to be ignoring the performance(and capacity)/cost aspect.

the only moron here is you, fuck off back to /v/ if you cant argue properly

>>61458965
>says the ban dodging intel fanboy
just fucking off yourself already you waste of life.

>>61458510
>Good fucking luck with having an Ultrastar in your desktop. Enjoy hearing the noise it makes from the next town over. I fell for that meme with a build I made a few years ago and had replaced it with a WD Red within two weeks.
Anyone else have this experience? Was about to pick one of these up.

>>61458896
good but should get a better GPU.
also corsair CX is meh.

>>61459197
you should pull out the one you have in yours

oy vey goyims, which GPU should I be looking at to pair with an r5 1600 @ 3.7ghz, if I want 1080p @144hz?

1080? 1080 vega equivalent?

how many times do I have to report this faggot before mods ban him.

useless fucking janitors.

>>61459222
mainly playing war thunder and an occasional AAA title.

>>61459222
check some 144hz benchmarks. dont think AMD can do 144hz in many AAA games, at least if you want high settings.

>>61459246
janny is busy fapping in his own chinkshit thread if he's even browsing the board right now.

>>61459305
I dont need to cap the refresh rate, I just want that multicore + freesync smoothness.

>>61458691
>Do you honestly think that a 7700k can play AND steam?
If you splash some water on it, probably - it'll get hot enough

>>61459368
ah ok, then the CPU you listed is completely fine.

i'd get 1070 or Vega. 1080 is not worth the money for 1080p.

Looking to upgrade my PC, I only want a new GPU. Currently got:
>phenom ii 1055t
>4gb ram
>amd hd5770

I play at 720p and need somehting cheap (less thna 100€) and that will last me at lest 3 years

>>61457470
Fuck AMD

My GTX770 (2GB) just died and I need something to replace it ASAP.
I'm assuming a 1050ti is the way to go? I'm okay with 770-tier performance for now.

Is it silly to buy it as an intermediate card until prices normalise again? I could spend more but everyone says it's a bad idea now and I need the card immediately.

>>61459403
you should google and see if your mobo works with latest graphics cards.
>i need something cheap for less than $100
>that will last at least 3 years
hahaha yeah good luck with that

>>61459417
yes it's fucking retarded to buy an almost low-end tier card for almost $140 if it's just temporary.

either get an old used card for $50 or spend the money on a new good card.

>>61457980
I honestly can't believe people are still buying intel

And this is from a guy who's last 2 PC monster rigs were always Intel+Nvidia
Non-soldered CPU can fuck right off, there's enough cooling problems as it is and they straight up made shoddy models while AMD has proper CPUs. And I'm incredibly paranoid of doing an AMD CPU + Nvidia Gpu, never had an AMD CPU before but compared to what Intel's doing right now it's a much better deal both in terms of value and performance/quality.

>>61459067
How important is the GPU for video editing?

>>61459497
depends if the software supports gpu hardware acceleration or not.

most are CPU bound.

>>61459514
Adobe Premierre and maybe some After Effects

>>61459548
ull have to check if they support it yourself

>>61459479
why should a card be good enough to handle current games and upcoming ones at 720p low settings?

>>61459586
it's good enough when you've never gotten a new monitor since 2003 i'd imagine

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>>61459586
just buy a used 7870 or 7950

>>61459611
i have 1440p

>>61459619
>used
never settle for used goods

>>61459689
>not buying used older generation top-of-the-line hardware
I got myself a 980Ti for almost 1/2 of a new 1070, put a new cooling on that and OC'd it for 1070 performance level, if not higher in some cases. Try beating that deal.
Also, when people buy the true high-end stuff, then you can expect them to actually care about that hardware.

What's the best used CPU I can put in a LGA2011 board for a reasonable price? Either 6 or 8 cores, something like the Xeon E5-2680 looks pretty neat

>>61459734
>when people buy the true high-end stuff, then you can expect them to actually care about that hardware.
ive always handled my hardware like a baby minus the fans and cords, do other people not do that?
minus youtubers of course

So I built a new PC however I used some stuff from the old PC, I have a new HDD on then new PC but forgot to move files from the old HDD to the new one, can I just plug the old HDD to the new PC and move them from there somehow?

>>61459734
YES BUT CHEAP HARDWARE GETS TREATED BADLY SO NEVER BUY CHEAP OLD GPUS

>>61459798
Forgot the mention that not large files, like pictures, songs, screenshots etc.

>>61459689
then you wont get a card for $100 that lasts 3 years, get it now, retard?

>>61459798
>>61459816
yes

>>61459767
people are usually more careful with their hardware if it cost them a considerable part of their paycheck, especially if they desire to sell it later on.

>>61459802
that's my point, it's best to get something high-end.

>>61459798
well, sure, why not just leave the HDD in the new PC? More storage is always better, isn't it?

>>61459831
my current shittier 5770 lasted me 6 years, why shouldn't another chepa one be able to last now 3 years?

>>61459875
because that card wasnt shit back then and you cant get a non-shit card for less than $100 now unless you buy used

>>61459831
>>61459835
I see, however already have W10 installed on the new HDD but the old HDD has it too, will that affect the PC somehow? Or even Drivers?

>>61459972
okay then, just go into UEFI and choose to boot from the newer HDD (the one with w10). All bioses/uefis have the option to choose boot device.

>>61459998
Will that work with drivers from the old HDD too or it doesn't matter?
And one last thing, I have some files in specific places in the old HDD, like download folder, some files on the desktop and etc, will those appear in the same position as they used to or do I have to search them inside the HDD?

>>61460056
You'll have to search for them yourself, but don't worry, just google what is where.
HDDs don't need any special drivers, these are just plug and play, only that you have to plug them in with PC turned off.
If you want to be really safe, just remove windows folder from that HDD once you booted up and then remove the 300mb boot partition from that disk in Disk Management.

Or just transfer the files you need, then format the whole drive and use it like new.

>>61459619
I'm looking at upgrading from my 2GB HD7850 but is the 7950 really worth going for with 3GB VRAM? 2GB VRAM is really starting to feel cramped in games like GTA5

>>61460114
Okay will do, and by drivers I meant since I have drivers installed in the old HDD won't they interfere with components on the new PC?

>>61460191
you'll be loaded into an entire different windows installation, it's not going to load anything from that drive you just put in there.

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I wanted to buy a 7700k with a 1080 ti, but many people suggested to buy a ryzen 1700X.

I get less fps, but will it be worth it in the end?

>>61460207
Okay thats all for now, thank you.
Will post again if something comes up.

>>61460056
if you're just moving pics, vids and documents you dont have to boot from that old hard drive, you just access it in Explorer.

>>61460141
from a 7850 to 7950? not really worth it.

>>61460217
if you're playing on 1080p and 144Hz or higher, then I guess you could go with a 7700k. If not, then Ryzen is a good choice, since it'll get you smooth frames in newer stuff on high resolutions.
and lastly, in my opinion - moar cores is more futureproof.

RX 560 4GB or 1050 Ti? Seems like the 1050 Ti wins on average but it's more expensive and the 560 is better in DX12 so it'll perform better down the line

Originally I was going to put $3000 into a beefy gaming comp but recently I just haven't been into games as much and just want something that can support a few screens.

How much should I put into a build? Or should I buy a pre-built?

>>61460346
the 560 is legitimate trash. it's a fully unlocked and refreshed 460 with higher clocks yet it still loses out to the 1050 (non-ti) which was originally competing with the 460. just get the 1050. also 4gb on these gpu is pointless as the gpu can't fully utilize it unless you like playing all your games at 20 fps ultra settings 1440p. if you're so set on the 560 get the 2gb model or just buy the superior product for the same price which is the 1050 2gb.

>>61460217
The only Intel 7700k alternative if you need that extra fps is the 6800k, it's only 5% slower so it's in between the R7 1700 and the 7700k, it could be a bit more expensive or a lot more expensive depending of your country or store deals.

>>61460376
300 dollar pre builts can support multiple monitors
it's all about what you actually want to do with it, 3k would have severe diminishing returns

>>61460346
570. Also AMD doesnt nerf your card with drivers down the road.

>>61460376
$1k-1,5k
never prebuilt.

>>61460376
About 300$ can get you something that'll support multiple screens laddo.

>>61460419
fuck i misread. if you just want a multi monitor even 500 is enough

Got three questions:

Do performance levels on GPUs affect anything but games? Can a low performance level cause problems with performance with 2D applications?

Is 83C normal for average temperature while playing some beefy game on a 280X?

Is it also normal for it to smell somewhat burnt? I have had this GPU for quite a while now and it always happens.

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>>61460443
>Is 83C normal for average temperature while playing some beefy game on a 280X?
>Is it also normal for it to smell somewhat burnt?


WEW

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Hey guys. Working on my first desktop. Nothing crazy; it's mostly being built from my friend's old gaming PC (he upgraded to a 1080ti). Everything that has its own price is what I'm paying for it from my friend (the CPU and MOBO are $150 together) except for the PSU which I bought on sale for $30. I won't be buying the GPU until the miners have cooled it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yh3FNN

This build is just meant to be my first decent computer to be used for occasional gaming with friends (hopefully 1080p@60fps for whatever we do) and as a DAW/recording instruments/processing videos. Do you think this should be sufficient?

>>61460443
>Is 83C normal for average temperature while playing some beefy game on a 280X?
Nah, mine reach 65°C at best. Bit of a problem i started encountered recently though was that it was that hot or close even during partial load, but that's about it.

>>61460462
Yeah ok, maybe it's not that normal.

It's been always like this. It doesn't go past that temperature, I don't have issues like artifacts and such, but it always bothers me and to be honest, the fucking fans also bother me quite a bit. Noisier than a goddamn fat PS3. What the hell. I don't know what to do here.

Are the 5 dollar Windows OEM licenses on ebay legit?

>>61460500
Replace your GPU before you set your house on fire.

>>61460467
You sure you wanna stick with that CPU? It leaves you with very crappy upgrade paths, your friend is ripping you off for 150usd to be quite honest.

>>61460489
>mine reach 65°C at best.
i mean at worst

>>61460443
change the thermal paste. clean out the gunk accumulated in the fans with some rubbing alcohol and a vacuum cleaner or a can of compressed air.

>>61460443
yes.
sometimes.
no.

>>61460467
you buying all that from your friend and buying a new cooler? yeah that'll do pretty good but you dont want to only use the WD green to install your OS on, it gonna die quick.

>>61460513
Look for a seller who has many sales then check his recent history for negative feedback and find out yourself.

>>61460467
yeah. That's a nice little system you got there, for the money. In contrast you would be lucky to get.the g4560 and s mono for that price

>>61460419
>570
Sure, if you can find one for me

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>>61457470
>no i5s
when the i5 7600 is better than the ryzen 1600 and they are both the same price.
wtf kind of thread is this.

Can anyone recommend a cheap 128GB SSD that isn't sketchy? Preferably from amazon.

>>61460419
>never prebuilt.
Ahem
>buy a $350 A6-9500 or A8-9600 prebuilt mid-tower
>swap APU out for an R5 1600 ($200) and a GTX 1050 Ti ($175)
>Under $700, including the OS prebuilts ship with

>>61460579
While there is case for buying intel people should have some self respect. Intel can do a lot better than sky lake and kabylake and should be made to by the market.

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The following is my current situation. Bought the computer pre-built in 2011 and looking to upgrade it. What are the biggest upgrades I can get for a reasonable price without having a huge bottleneck? Looking to replace graphics card and get an SSD at least. I'm kind of on a budget but looking to save up some money.

>>61460631
Sell everything and start from scratch.

>>61460579
What?
How is the locked i5 even close to the 1600 in anything?
No one should buy any locked intel chips save for the g4560 @ 65$ tops
Ryzen is better in every category besides the housefire overpriced 7700k

You can build a 1600 system with a 1080 for cheaper than building a 7700k system with a 1060

>>61460613
>wasting 350 on shit tier parts
>wont get shit for the APU back when sold on ebay
>can get a superior R5 system for same price brand new if you buy parts yourself

>>61460579
its not, see >>61458605

>>61460631
>option 1
replace GPU and keep using it another year until Zen2 and intel has catched up to AMD.

>option 2
see >>61460651

>>61460661
You can't get under $700 buying shit-tier parts from scratch with the same specs. Pre-built AMDs with Bristol Ridge APUs are going to be on clearance sales once Raven Ridge hits, but the beauty of it is that they all have A320 chipset AM4 motherboards, which means they're 100% compatible with 65W TDP Ryzen.

>>61460704
prove it or shut the fuck up.

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>>61460524
No, I'm not sure on anything.
That CPU regularly sells for $80 or more on eBay so it seems like a fair deal with the MOBO for $150. What about it leaves much to be desired in terms of upgrading? Seems like it's been a very reliable CPU. Is it just past its time or something?
>>61460534
Yep, the only thing I'd be buying new would be the cooler and the GPU when the price stabilizes. I have the PSU new as well.
The HDD would just be temporary. I'd like to get an SSD of some sort for the OS. Maybe it would be wiser just to get the SSD first for OS installation then add that drive later?
>>61460545
That's what I figured. Seems like a great budget way of getting into this stuff. I really wanted to go all out and spend $1000 on a PC but I just don't have the money to play with atm, so this seems like a good way of getting a head start.

>>61460414
>>61460431
I still would like something that supports gaming but I've literally never built a pc before so I don't know what all is required to attach more monitors.

>>61460653
>You can build a 1600 system with a 1080 for cheaper than building a 7700k system with a 1060

'no'

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xnXvyf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fHn73F

>inb4 shitfling and calling me a shill because i proved your retarded claim wrong

>>61460719
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vm7Tcc
Now sit the fuck down
https://skinflint.co.uk/hp-elitedesk-705-g3-mt-y5w04aw-abd-a1509313.html

>>61460396
>6800k,
By that price, i can get a 1800x here in my country

>>61460726
>Maybe it would be wiser just to get the SSD first for OS installation then add that drive later?
yes. sometimes windows puts files on the second drive if you have that hooked up during install.
also you would not have to fuck around with moving your OS installation from one drive to the other later.

>>61460739
here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vY3b9W

can be downscaled to your needs (R5, 1060, cheaper mobo, cheaper SSD)

>>61458317
I think I'll go with this one. I already have a 600w evga pad, I think that's fine right? Also thanks to everyone who help, highly appreciated and will remember all of you .

>>61460757
so where is the price on that prebuilt you linked?

you havent proven shit yet

>>61460805
also havent proven mobo is compatible

>>61460579
New games are deprecating all quad cores in the market with almost 100% cpu utilization, because they can't get faster there's no room left for improvement and this is why all new games are opting for multi core support, it was the same with dual core processors to quad core processors.

The 7600k is only good for older games or emulation, Expect a Ryzen 1600 matching i7 7700k in a good multi core optimized game.

>>61460921
Intel is releasing hexacore, but with much lower settings because they still haven't solved the issue of the CPU being able to boilwater under stress.

I've never built a computer before. Have all my parts picked out, some still on the way. At this point, my main question regards wiring the fans. I have a Corsair 760t Case. I replaced the stock exhaust fan with a Corsair AF140 Quiet Edition fan, still using the front two stock intake fans. I will be using a Corsair H100i V2 liquid cooler running as exhaust with a push/pull configuration of 4 Corsair SP120 Performance Edition fans. I replaced the two stock fans on this cooler with the better SP120s from Corsair. The two stock fans that came with he H100i V2 are being placed in the case as well, one as intake on the bottom of the case, and one as exhaust on the top of the case above the area where the optical drive would go. The motherboard I have is an ASUS ROG Strix z270e.

The two stock fans on the front of the case, as well as the one exhaust fan in the back of the case, have 3-pin female end connectors. All of the 120mm fans (the ones on the bottom and top of the case) have 4-pin female connectors.

Will I need to get y-splitters and/or a fan controller? And if so, which ones? What is the safest/most efficient way to wire these fans?

>>61460921
my quad core is fine. i never have problems with it. also you can't just say moar cores will equal better performance. the 7700k will still trump the 1600 due to clock speed even in multithreaded games like bf1.

>>61460813
>>61460805
>being this asshurt about pre-builts being viable upgrade options
y tho
Search for HP EliteDesk 705 G3 MT (A8-9600 APUs)
Right now they're going for $380-$450 refurbished, and that's not even on sale yet. Newegg had a flash sale on one of these mid-towers (new) for $329.99, so it's safe to say that Back-to-School sales will have these exact models on sale for $400 or less. It's even better if you can catch a refurbished 705 MT on sale for even less than $350.

>also havent proven mobo is compatible
EliteDesk 705 G3s will have Ryzen PRO models on the exact same motherboards, plus if you check HP's website, they have BIOS updates (00.02.04 Rev.A) for their EliteDesk models to support Ryzen CPUs. There will be another update once the Ryzen Pro models launch.

>>61461007
still waiting for a real list of costs for your prebuilt with all the upgrades

>>61461050
Jesus fucking christ >>61460773
Just sit the fuck down, white boy. No need to get your pencil dick all shriveled up when a black man puts you in your place.

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G-GPU price drops w-when..

>>61461102
Fuck that, GPU restock when

>>61461088
>just buy an old used shit tier APU prebuilt with shit tier parts and upgrade the cpu and buy a gpu instead of buying a brand spanking new system with full warranty and better quality parts
>HURR DURR U ASSBLASTED BOI
k

>>61461114
New GPU's when??

>>61461126
I said "new", cumskin
B2S and BF will have these old APUs on clearance or heavy discounts. These are almost all workstation towers so they have longer warranty coverages than your typical non-OEM parts with easier warranty claims (single source rather than multiple)

>>61461206
>"you swapped the chip, warranty void"
why buy that shit when you can get equally good BRAND NEW system for the same price?

also
>workstation
>APU
topkek

>>61461126
Go on Ebay, buy a HP Z420 with a Xeon E5-1650 hexa core or E5-1620 quad core, use the remaining $400 to put a 1070 in it, have fun. Can later be upgraded to any LGA2011 CPU, like the E5-2680 8 core 16 thread, 2.7 Ghz base 3.5 boost.

>>61461268
if i really was on a budget and was fine with that level of performance down the line, yes.

but this nigga is talking about buying a used prebuilt and replacing the CPU and buying a GPU that ends up costing just as much as just buying a whole new system in parts yourself.

at least your suggestion only needs a GPU.

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>>61461102
>>61461114
>>61461130
Never

>>61461102
>gpu picked now of all times to die
It's not fair

>>61460955
bump, pls respond

I'm selling my RX 580 8 GB for twice what I paid for it at release to what I assume is a crypto-cunt. With that money, and with the recognition that I will never game beyond 1080p 60 FPS for the indefinite future.. what card should I get? I want good graphics with 60 FPS at 1080p. I have a FreeSync monitor, so sticking to AMD seems reasonable.

HELP ME.

>>61461326
Well he's a retard then when you can get a PC with a CPU that performs basically the same as the Ryzen 1600, 16GB RAM and 1TB HDD for $420 bucks and put whatever GPU you want in it.

>>61461375
470/570 is the best GPU for 1080p60 but good luck finding one, your best bet is probably the 1060 6GB

>>61460955
>>61461364
Get a PWM splitter with a sata/molex power for the PWM controlled fans (4pin) and plug the DC controlled fans in the motherboard if you have enough slots. Otherwise just replace the 3pin fans with 4pin PWM fans since they are cheap as fuck and no hassle.

>>61461375
RX 560 or 550 are fine if you are comfortable with reducing settings from high to medium. Otherwise just use the money for GTX 1080/1070 or wait less than 2 weeks for vega.

Why aren't anyone making 64GB SSDs anymore? You don't need 120GB just as a boot drive

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3gHBnn
This is my build. Have a friend who wants to buy the gpu. If I upgrade to a 1080, will my psu be enough?
They calculate it to be around 350 watts with a 1080, but I overclock the cpu.

>>61461405
>1060 6GB
>but good luck finding one
Pick both or neither

>>61461375
sell that monitor since you're only playing at 1080p60 and not something like 144 which would benefit from a variable refresh monitor like a freesync one. if you're selling it for twice the price i'm assuming you're getting between $400-$500? there are 1080's on newegg right now going for $499.

if you sell that monitor you can get a nice, high quality, production tier 1080p60 monitor to pair with that 1080 and you'll be set for years and years if you stick to that res and framerate.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125880&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

this was in stock like 20 minutes ago. shit is selling fast

>>61461458
vast majority of consumers dont want them.

>>61461463
mark the shit you already have as purchased next time

you can get a mobo with integrated wifi for around $100
you can get an NVMe SSD for same price that's much faster.
you can get a 2TB HDD for $10 more.
a gtx1080 with that CPU is fucking retarded.

>>61461412
looked again at my mobo. No 3-pin male connectors, so it looks like I'll be doing a fan controller. Anything I should know?

>>61461614
does your psu have free connectors that fits the controller

>>61461634
Should. I have an EVGA 750w Gold semi-modular

>>61461665
yeah it's most likely gonna use molex, some of the newer ones might use a sata power

>>61461676
I'm completely new to fan controllers. Am I limited one way or the other with the motherboard/psu I have?

>Bought new GPU
>GPU only has DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort
>Monitor only has DVI and DVI to VGA cable.
FUCK

>>61461704
no

>>61461726
so what's the problem? plug in the fucking DVI dipshit

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>>61461102
At this rate I'm going to upgrade my pc once the 1180 comes out

>>61461727
>>61461704
>>61461676
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bczNhq

This is what I'll be rocking when all the parts arrive. I already purchased the replacement SP120s for the radiator. So, from what I'm reading, I need to replace the two stock fans on the front of the case with PWM 4-pin fans, and I need to replace the 140mm exhaust fan I already bought with a 140mm PWM 4-pin fan, and then I need to buy a fan controller so I can handle the 5 case fans separately from the 4 on the AIO cooler. And then, how am I going to wire the push/pull config on the radiator, with y-splitters?

>>61461738
>plug in the fucking DVI dipshit
Read the shit again you dumb fuck and then reply to me.

>>61461738
Don't be mean to other anons.
He doesn't have a DVI to DVI cable, just DVI to VGA.

>>61461726
Throw out the monitor, get a better one. You now have a great excuse.

>>61461810
>throw away a monitor because of one cable
might as well throw away my PC because I don't reach 60fps on 4K minecraft
perfect excuse

>>61461539
>mark the shit you already have as purchased next time
I have it all, the hdd was leftover from an old computer.
>a gtx1080 with that CPU is fucking retarded.
Why?

>>61460631
CPU is fine. Graphics + SSD. Something like 570/580/1060 when prices are reasonable and a 250GB SSD

>>61461794
when you learn to write a proper fucking post i will

>>61461833
because it's a huge waste of money since you will never be able to use all the performance

>>61461915
>retard can't read for shit
>"le write better le xD"
Fuck up cunt.

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>>61461915
>>61461959
Please don't fight!

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/g/ should i upgrade?

>>61461915
>gpu has DVI
>monitor has DVI
that's what you wrote, get afucking dvi cable you retarded fuck

>>61462023
yeah get an ivy bridge i7 and new gpu

>>61462058
Nice reply you dumb fuck, no wonder you can't read shit when you are legally blind.

>>61462081
>GPU only has DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort
>Monitor only has DVI ...
>...and DVI to VGA cable.

>both have DVI
kill yourself so your fucking shit DNA is passed on to anyone

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>>61457470
What's a reliable HDD? I'm looking for something 3-4 TB, to be used for storing media which will be streamed over lan.
Currently have a single 3TB WD blue and 4 external USB hard drives, only ~4tb total media.
I anticipate my storage requirements growing to no more than ~6TB over the next couple of years.
I also need to setup some sort of offsite backup, done weekly or monthly. Any suggestions?

>>61462130
Yeah brb I will shit out a DVI cable like they do in your fantasy world, should I download more RAM too?
Fuck off fag and don't ever reply to me again.

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>>61462148
>i have these slots on gpu and monitor what should i do
wow so hard to figure out

About to purchase more RAM and a graphics card. I know they're overpriced right now, but I absolutely can't stand playing on a fucking integrated chip anymore. My FPS on games barely hit 20-30 while everything is as low as possible.

Give me a card to buy with a $500 budget. Will be stretched if the upgrade is significant.

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>>61462148
>>61462202
I TOLD YOU TO STOP FIGHTING ALREADY

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>>61462233
right now? 1070.
next month? Vega

>>61462253
NO YOU

>>61462202
Point who the fuck asked "Guys what cable to I get if I have X on monitor and X on GPU"
All I said is that I DO NOT have the cable you retarded autist.

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>>61462265
HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO DECIDE WHAT FUCKING CABLE TO GET WHEN BOTH SUPPORT DVI ?!?!??!

>>61462265
also you never fucking asked "what cable should i get?" you stupid fuck. read your own fucking post

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What should I upgrade to anons?

>>61462279
READ YOUR OWN FUCKING REPLY YOU DUMB FUCK >>61462286 IF I NEVER ASKED ABOUT WHAT CABLE TO GET WHY DO YOU FUCKING ASSUME THAT I WANT TO DECIDE WHAT CABLE I WANT YOU IMBECILE FAG, THE CABLE THAT I HAVE DOES NOT WORK ON MY CURRENT SET UP HOLY SHIT YOU ARE SO FUCKING AUTISTIC I SWEAR TO GOD EVEN 9GAG WONT REACH YOUR LEVEL

>>61462341
>still havent explained what the fuck his post was about
you'd think someone else would have answered you by now if you actually wrote a comprehensible post.

>>61462389
Why would I write something to an illiterate person.

>>61462395
indeed why would you, so why dont you explain why you posted your original post if you dont write to illiterate poeple?

seems no one here understands you. maybe you should go ask geek squad.

>>61462404
>no one here understands you
Stop samefagging, even another anon responded to you because you are too retarded to understand basic stuff.

>>61462446
>samefagging
>only replies to one post
really makes you think

>>61462472
t. guy that says "no one here understands you"
really activates your almonds

>>61462489
yeah because no one else replied to him.

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>>61462233
Forgot the pic of my current setup. Sorry.
>>61462260
Anything more specific? There's a lot of 1070s and I have no clue what the better options are.

>>61462493
ye k fuck off now fag

>>61462506
ok so i missed your post but he replied with "because of a cable"

so it was about a fucking cable after all

so now we're back at square one.

Mwhat is the best futureproof cpu that works welk with 1050ti

>>61462542
everything works with your GPU. r7 1700.

>>61462542
>Futureproof

buzzword

>>61462570
Buzzword?

>>61462554
Thnx senpai

>>61462584
as in meme word

>>61462584
you cant future proof anything except the power supply and case

So which guide should I use when building my PC?

>>61462621
a good one

>>61462621
>>61462621
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
This was an ok site for me

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Threadly reminder that there is literally no reason to buy a PC new if you have less than $1000 to spend on it when you can get a CPU with basically the same performance as a Ryzen 1600, 16GB RAM and 1TB HDD for $418 and add a 120GB SSD and a 1080 for less than $1000

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-HP-Z420-Workstation-6-Core-3-20GHz-E5-1650-No-OS-Wholesale-/172717197310

>>61462640
fuck off there's 2 against your retarded suggestion now >>61461394

>>61462700
>Retarded suggestion
Explain

>>61462724
read the post i linked to

>>61462740
You linked to my own post I wrote 2 hours ago, don't exactly see what I'm supposed to read

>>61462759
oh, alright nvm then i take back what i said, i thought you were the other guy suggesting buying a fucking used APU and upgrading with new CPU and GPU for same price as a brand new system

sorry

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>>61462779
It's cool man

So just finished building and installing drivers on my new r5 1600 2x8gb 3200mhz gtx 1080 build
and it's time for the bios update.
I got a couple of questions.
Which method of bios updating is the safest?
On MSI's website should i download all bios versions or will the latest one include everything?
Also should i overclock the cpu on the bios too or only the ram?
Should i even bother going over 3200mhz?

>>61462322
Everything basically.

>>61462837
you should have updated bios first.

safest? use your manufacturer's guide. only get the latest, it's not incremental updates, all previous version changes are included in the latest.
most people only OC the CPU these days because you dont have to OC the RAM.
also you dont really OC the RAM is you just set it to the speed it's sold at (in your case 3200MHz). and no you probably shouldnt if you're new, plus AM4 mobos dont have very good RAM compatability yet so will just get unstability most likely

>>61462322
Upgrade to Ryzen

>>61462322
Fucking everything anon.

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Does it make any sense at all to buy a 3960X right now? They are cheaper than a 3770K where I live, around $180 or so in US money.

>>61462955
What about mobo + RAM cost?
$180 for the CPU is way to close to an R5 1600

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One of these things is not like the others...
NEW STOCK WHEN

for the ryzen 5 1600x should i buy a separate cooling unit for it or is it fine the way it is

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r9V73F
Trying to find a good CPU cooler for this,
thinking about switching up mobo
Already own a Corsair TX850 bronze PSU, mouse, and keyboard
Willing to go over $1500 but not trying to spend $1600

>>61462969
Looks like the motherboard would cost about $150, I already have 16GB of 1800MHz DDR3, to my knowledge a 3960X doesn't support DDR4.

>>61462909
Already figured all this out, and made sure my ram runs at the listed speed before
purchase, i'm just new to 2010-onwards pcbuilding had no reason to upgrade from old
core2duo setup.

The guide on msi's site says to use a usb should i have the bios in its folder in the usb or
should i just throw the file in there?

Not helping the questions/answers balance in the thread but is it even worth it to start a build now if it´s not really necessary, because of the high SSD and RAM prices?

>>61462986
it's fine

>>61462994
depends on cool and quiet you want it. cryorig h5 is fine but if you want better get a nhd15

>>61463006
it should say exactly how to do it. if they just say put the file on the usb you just drop it in root (not inside a folder)

>>61463042
I'm running virtual machines so it might need some strength to it beyond vidya games.

partpicker is also suggesting that a seperate piece may be needed to attach to mobo. Should I be concened?

>>61463040
It's not going to be any cheaper any time soon, the lack of GPUs is a bigger problem.

>>61463040
if it was just high ssd and ram prices yes, but there's new graphics card coming soon

>>61463070
who are you and what are you talking about?

>>61463070
>a seperate piece may be needed to attach to mob
What

>>61462955
Nah, propping up a 5-6 year old platform slightly is not worth it just save up and make a platform change sometime next year.

Can someone tell me why monitors are still so fucking expensive?

Is 25 inches for 1440p too small? I'm looking for an entry level 1440p IPS monitor for photography and video editing as well as some gaming and the Dell U2515H is the best one I've found so far

>>61463089
My bad, I'm >>61462994

>>61463138
> The CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard
That's what pcpartpicker is telling me

>>61463203
with your budget i'd go with the nhd15, make sure you get the new with included AM4 bracket.
it will last you many years.

and the compatability thing is that the H5 came out before AMD AM4 socket and it has a new mounting design so you will need the correct mounting shit which is separate.

Hey i'm looking for a AIO water cooler for a Ryzen 1700. Sub 150 preferably best performance temp wise not too concerned with sound since I usually have headphones. Was looking at Corsair H105 based on an old benchmark but looks like theirs new stuff now.

>>61463245
google aio cooler comparison then come back with some alternatives and im sure someone will be more than happy to help you narrow it down further

>>61463245
AIO's are shit.

>>61463195
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB715WD1578&ignorebbr=1

>>61460921

So what if I want to emulate or play older games? Would the performance of a r5 1600 be much worse than, say, a stock i5 3570k?

500GB ssd and 1TB hdd is good enough for gaming, right? I don't plan to keep too many games installed at once and the average size for AAA games seems to be around 40 gigs

>>61463274
This
There is really no reason to have them that I can find. They perform equally well in most circumstances when compared with air coolers. Once you've factored in pump and fans you end up with similar noise levels unless you're cooling something way under the rated TPD of the cooler, even then you're better off with air.

Open loops on the other hand because they can be expanded to GPUs are superior in noise since you can eliminate all component fans and extend their use to case fans. They're more fussy and dangerous though.

>>61462640

I guarantee you are gonna need to replace the psu on that thing at the very least.

>>61463353
yes but you can get 2TB HDD for only $10 more.

>>61463279
>Specifically ask for a 1440p monitor for photo and video editing
>Links a 1080p high refresh rate gaymen monitor
Do you have Downs?

>>61463235
That fan is absurdly huge
Does performance really justify the size?
I never realized there was so much focus on CPU coolers.

>>61463407
Nope, it's a 600W PSU. It's made for running Nvidia Quadro GPUs and Xeon CPUs.

>>61463256

Deciding between:

Corsair H105
Game Storm Captain 360
Gamer Storm Maelstrom 240

For AIO R7 1700 OC water cooler. Looking to only sit around 3.8GHz, maybe 3.7 just wanna have low temps to keep my baby happy until 7nm, and I guess it would probably be able to be used on my next cpu too since itll be AM4.

>>61463428
yes.

>>61463279
>>61463417
kek

>>61463434
(((600W))) doesn't mean 600W, anon.

Someone I was COOPing fucking Doom 2 had his PSU literally catch fire because he's a retard and it was a piece of shit and he was feeding a 7950 with it.

>>61463388
>>61463274
Eh they are on par with best air coolers, or better, and best of all they dont blow hot air inside my case and they dont take up room in the center of the case for airflow, they're mounted at the top and air goes right out. I think they're more organized and better for overall system. Just personal pref

>>61463453
My only concern is that it won't fit, any way I can make sure it will? It isn't listed on pcpartpicker so i'm a bit in the dark

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>>61463443
What the fuck are you doing nigger.

Just get an NHD15 or PHTC14PE like everyone else and stop being a special snowflake. They'll perform just as well, be cheaper, make less fan noise and not make an annoying 'RRREEEEEEEEEE' pump noise constantly.

>>61463484
>and best of all they dont blow hot air inside my case
Literally not a problem unless your running some retarded Lian Li system where the motherboard is upside down.

>>61463487
unless you buy a cheap piece of shit no-name brand case, it fits all the popular brand cases.

>>61463517
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ms6BD3/nzxt-case-cas340wb1
How's this

>>61463464
Again, it's an enterprise grade workstation made to work with Xeon CPUs and Quadro GPUs, do you really think they'd skimp on the PSU?

>>61463537
yes and pcpartpicker will tell you if its not compatible.

>>61463539
>do you really think they'd skimp on the PSU
Yes.

>>61463203
>> The CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard
>That's what pcpartpicker is telling me
That's a cooler bracket, without it the cooler won't fit on the socket
You need to contact Cryorig and ask them for a bracket on their website once you get the bill for both the motherboard and cooler

Hello friends. I had computer. Police took it away. After 13 months they returned it today. (I was innocent!!!) In that 13 months I made other PC. Now i have 2 PC...

TLDR; Which one is better ? What should I do with the worse one ?


i5 4690
msi r9 280x
8gb ram

FX8350
asus r9 290x
16gb ram


I just use it to meme and play games online, occasionally I record some gameplay with OBS, and emulate retro shit (snes, PS1 etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q17TjAzUb1s&t=1276s

Is this guy overly autistic, or is the Gigabyte AM4 ITX board a no-go?

>>61463575
>see thumbnail

AUTISM

>>61463568
i5 is better than FX.
290x is better than 280x.
more ram is more ram.

>>61463504
Its not being a special snowflake its not being poor and having to go air cooling and not wanting an elaborate water cooling system that might fail and ruin everything. AIOs are better design wise, just more expensive for same temps.

>>61463568
Assuming not bait (it's bait).

Rip the RAM and GPU from the FX system, throw the FX system in the garbage.

Getting ready for my first build and I'm not sure what I need for a GPU since I don't game.

Priorities:
>run 2x 4k screens
>occasional machine learning stuff
>VMs (not sure if gpu has much effect here or not)
>maybe crypto mining junk no name coins for fun
>some photoshop and video editing
>play 4k videos

The video editing and stuff I don't really do now because it rapes my laptop. I'd like the ability to scale somewhat though don't want to go too overboard.

It's between these two right now.
>EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB
or
>AMD - Radeon Pro WX 5100 8GB

I like the AMD because it's cheaper. Can I / should I get something even cheaper.

Also kind of getting cold feet, should I just buy a motorcycle, jetski, or some other toy and try to get a gf instead. Fuck.

>>61463568

Uh, why did the popo take your computer? Cheese pizza?

>>61463568
i5 is better, so:
Swap the GPUs (don't bother reinstalling drivers unless they're old), put the 16GB in the i5 machine

>>61463568
Take 290x and put it in i5 rig. Do same with 16GB ram. put swapped parts in other computer and sell

>>61463555
Okay, but they don't, they literally link to the 80 plus verification testing result on the product documentation

https://plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/HEWLETT%20PACKARD_623193-001_ECOS%202619%201_600W_Report.pdf

>>61463605
>AIOs are better design wise
>can leak
>constant pump whine
lmao

>>61463616
you dont need a beefy gpu just to display shit on screens unless the programs you use can make use of the gpu for acceleration

and if you dont game the radeon pro is better choice

>>61463634
>PSU not painted black
>no gamer logos
>no RGB
They skimped, enjoy dying in your sleep when it catches fire.

>>61463554
not him but nhd15 isn't on pcpartpicker

>>61463636
I had a corsair in my old system and only heard the fan. never had a leak most people never will and many warranties will even cover anything damaged by a leak. not all though. slim potential for a leak is really only downside

>>61463634
80+ is not about quality but efficiency.

>>61463658
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4vzv6h/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd15

>>61463674
And high efficiency is one of the indications of quality

>>61463622
My ex girlfriend told them I had naughty videos of us banging and photos of here etc... I told them to fuck off or get a warrant aaaannnd they actually came back with a warrant and siezed everything capable of holding digital media

3ds, tablet, my phone, 2 ext hd and my PC.

I was release after questioning no charges and told i would get my shit back in 3-6 months. gonna hack the 3ds its pretty worhtless now was gonna sell it.

>>61463744
to a certain degree, but just plain 80+ means fucking nothing even diablotek shit can get it

>>61463636
Okay so fine lets just say of all Am4 coolers (Air/AIO), what is just hands down the best. The Noctua? 90 bucks for a an air cooler when I could pay a few more for a same performance water cooling system just seems like a bad deal but im considering it.

>>61463649
Yeah the other one seemed like over kill.
But do you think it would stutter trying to do some hobby photo/video/neural network stuffs? A quick search shows these often do use the graphics card for acceleration.

I've never used anything but stock and builtin crap so I have no idea how much processing power things will consume.

>>61463626
>>61463631
>>61463612
>>61463598

I have a spare 60GB SSD , the i5 rig only has a 1tb hdd so should I wipe it and put the ssd in then install windows(7) to the SSD ?

>>61463753

Wow, thats pretty bullshit. You should sue that bitch for defamation.

>>61463761
90% would put it at gold rating or higher which is generally more than what you can expect out of prebuilt office machines

>>61463763
>I could pay a few more for a same performance water cooling system
>>61463636
>paying more
>for some inconvenience
???

In the real world any big tower cooler will fuck a AIO anyway, their performance is overrated in benchmarks because the water eventually heats up and it looses some of its cooling ability.

>>61463763
>90 bucks for a an air cooler when I could pay a few more for a same performance water cooling system just seems like a bad deal but im considering it.
pretty much answered your own question here

>>61463773
1080 is massively overkill and terrible choice if you dont game.

you talking about the radeon pro stuttering and stuff? you'll have to check reviews and benchmarks yourself, i have no idea but level1techs reviewed the big brother 7100 radeon pro and gave it big thumbs up.

>>61463780
yes

>>61463782
this

>>61463786
if it actually get close to gold rating efficiency then yes it's a good unit.

>>61463794
okay so whats the best one for am4 then, this Noctua 15 thing I keep hearing about? Noise isnt a big factor just want maximal cooling

>>61463840
It literally says 90% efficiency in the product description

>>61463846
>Noise isnt a big factor just want maximal cooling
NHD15 with 5400rpm Delta fans.

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>>61463862
that could just be one measurement, go check the details for 80+ gold rating and the details for the unit you're looking at.

>>61463864
>delta
WWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>61463782
I'm not sure if it be worth it. Should I be worried if the police left anything on my PC ? How could i check ? Also I have soooo much pirated games and films etc and a bunch of /pol/ tier memes. Perhaps it gave some of them a laugh

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>>61463568

>>61463902
yes. you can never be 100% sure they didnt put a rootkit on you, formatting is the only way. i dont think cops get pol memes

>>61463840
>1080 is massively overkill and terrible choice if you dont game.
Thanks man

>>61463883
I've already linked to the 80+ testing report, are you even following the conversation? It's gold rated according to this, model number 623193-001

https://plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSuppliesDetail.aspx?id=41&type=2

Volta when?

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>>61463936
nice input

>>61463993
im too tired to check details and im not denying that it is gold rated im just mentioning the difference and requirements

>>61457470
w8, so the r5 1600 is the same as i5-7500 when it comes to gaming but the r5 should be much faster when rendering videos, am i right?

>>61463596
Yeah, but it's like one of the few reviews for the board i can find

So when I test boot my "pc" after getting the motherboard all set up, i can use a tv, right? Cause my monitor hasn't come yet but I don't want to wait to build.

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>>61464013
It has higher average in CPU intensive games, better frametimes overall, and yes indeed much better multi-threaded performance so quite better video rendering speed

>>61464013
yes, the R5 has more cores and threads

>>61464028
if it has the right connection yes

>>61463555
So yeah, if you still think having a gold rated PSU in a prebuilt PC for offices is "skimping" then there aren't many manufacturers that aren't skimping on the PSUs. >>61463993

So i'm going for an ITX build, mostly thinking about GPU cooling at the moment. I was going for an all-AMD build but i'm a little worried that the rx vega boards might be a bit toasty for something small.

Though it's pure speculation at this point, but i'm wondering if it's safer to go for a 580 when prices normalise instead.

>>61464084
nah people have used worse housefires in ITX cases before.

Every single game on earth wants 1-2 extremely fast cores above all else, not just emulators. Even heavily multi-threaded games are still heavily dependent on the main thread.

There are only so many tasks that can even be theoretically parallelized to make use of multi-threading, and games are often linearly dependent (A has to happen before B has to happen before C... you can't do A+B+C simultaneously). Meaning, single-threaded performance will always be king.

The fastest Ryzen is still slower in games than a cheaper 4-year-old Intel i7. It's amazing how many Anons are "upgrading" to slower processors these days. I can't wait until Intel has proper gaming competition either, but it's not here yet until AMD gets their IPC up. Ryzen is a great value for various content creation and rendering tasks, and pretty much nothing else.

As soon as Coffee Lake drops with high core counts and great single thread performers, it'll be time for AMD to throw in the towel and sell their CPU department.

>>61464149
>
>>61457521

Yo fuck whoever designed the cooler for the ASUS 280X DCII TOP

There's this one screw behind a pipe and I need to tighten it, but nah. Not possible. Do they expect people to have L shaped philips screwdrivers around or what?

>>61464149
>Every single game on earth wants 1-2 extremely fast cores above all else
then why are the i3's getting shit results in the gaming benchmarks i posted in this thread.

kys retard

>>61464259
Did you bother reading the rest, retard?

is there a cheaper place than kinguin to get windows 10 keys
I'd be willing to spend 30 bucks on a hassle-free copy because i've spent the last 15 years on pirated ones but I want to find the best price

>>61464287
no because the rest is fucking moot when your main point is incorrect

>new PSU
>tx550m
>faint coil wine/buzz when plugged in with switch off

Is it going to explode or am I OK?

>>61464306
we need to put in the OP that you can use the Windows 10 trial indefinitely

>>61464149
>Oh no, this 6 cores CPU is getting 120fps instead of 140hz, it's shit!
Numbers from benchmarks are very different than real life anon
Getting 120hz in a game such as GTA V is everything but "slow".

>>61464322
oh I've never seen this before
is it just enterprise, or can I get pro/home too?

>>61464324
Those frames are the difference from hitting the native refresh rate. Plus, Coffee Lake will be faster than the 1600 guaranteed. That six core will become the next gaming champ. It'll be the next 2500k while the 1600 will be the next FX 6300: a slow piece of shit nobody will optimize for and will a favorite among poorfags.

>>61464363
Although you raise somewhat interesting points you clear fanboyism and emotionnal involvement in this make it a pain to discuss anything with you so i will consider your opinion irrelevant from now on

>>61464363
120 vs 140hz doesnt matter, the cost for that little increase is non linear and dumb as fuck. freesync is free and makes it a non-issue

>Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM
im not so sure what this means,will Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory work with eithera GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3 (rev. 1.0) AM4 AMD B350 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard or a ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 AM4 AMD Promontory B350 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
also if you dont mind which mobo would you recommend, is spending the extra 10 dollars make it better at all?

>>61464389
>you clear
your*