ITS HAPPENING - RX VEGA = GTX 1080

>|ccftech

>>61443414
>wccftech
>no FPS counters
>locked FPS due to adaptive-sync
Hey!
A valid benchmark!

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Meanwhile in the workloads this card was made for... >>61437231

>he links the thread in two others dying Vega threads
Bravo!
Have a (You).

You idiots still haven't figured out that RX Vega will be in tiny supply because they're gonna put most of the dies to the pro and instinct lines?

>>61443456
>>61443478
>the 375w fe edition is at the 1070 level but the rx vesion will blow the 1080ti

>>61443501
>losing to the p6000 after all this time
Geez. At least they didn't test against the GP100.

>>61443414
B-but!

You have to Wait™ for Vega gaymen edition, whitey!

>>61443512
>Pro
Yes-yes, Vega SSG will be very nice.
>Instinct
Eh.
ROCm is not mature enough.
>>61443527
Not this shit again.
>>61443532
GP100 is slower at anything FP32 lmao.

>>61443532
GP100 is slower than a P6000 in anything that's not FP16 or FP32

Why the fuck there are so many clueless retards in GPU threads?
The faggot mentioning P100 should gas himself.

I FUCKING TOLD YOU

>>61443569
FP64*

>>61443532
The difference is minimal, and again, it's a $5000 card vs a $1000 one. Oh, and don't forget, this one has double-rate FP16.

>>61443501
FE doesn't have certified drivers, the WX Vega will have it, but will probably cost double the FE

>>61443456

No problem: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6o0kku/vega_equals_or_is_close_to_gtx_1080_performance/

From /r/amdfanboy

>>61443651
>lebbit
EVEN BETTER!
What's next, chink rumors?

>>61443634
Not anyone doing modeling/CAD/animation works for a large studio and needs Maya's overpriced certification.

>>61443670
True.
FE is a solid choice for that, since nvidia gassed fucking Titan into a toy.

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>>61443665
>>61443456
>it's a bad news so it's fake!

>>61443754
>unironically
>UN-FUCKING-IRONICALLY
>posting wccftrash
(You).
Also
>wojak edit
this is /g/, not /v/.

>>61443754
Did your mother deprive you of attention or something?
You seem pretty frustrated.

>>61443414
Vega is Fury 2.0 with HBMeme+housefire+shitty drivers

>>61443780
>dat delusion

You really think Vega will compared against the Ti?

>>61443834
You're rambling.
You okay?

>>61443834
Maybe?
Why not.
It's not that hard.

>>61443848
Can you answers to this question? Vega will beat the 1080ti?

>>61443877
Who knows?

>>61443877
Probably not?

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REPEAT AFTER ME:

1070 level performance
>inb4 buttmad street shitters crying for reports

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>>61443858
The fucking Vega Fe can't...

WHAT

THE FUCK

DOES IT

COST

Without a price I do not give one single fuck.

unless vega is $400 its DOA sorry... not trolling was going to be a vega/ryzen system this year but ill ether get a 1080ti or wait for volta and coffee lake

>>61443897
Because Vega FE is an indication of Vega uarch performance?

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>>61443897
According to that, it takes a dump on the P6000 at one fifth the cost, the P6000 being the full GP102 die used in Titan XP and faster than a 1080ti?

>>61443912
You need the price to compare two GPUs. If Vega was better than a 1080 Ti in every single solitary benchmark, but cost $1000, I'd rather buy the fucking 1080 Ti. If Vega is as good as a 1080 but costs $400, well now we're fucking talking business.

If they release a $1500 meme water cooled RX Vega AMD's GPU division will be liquidated within the fucking year.

>>61443894
>repeated reports from people at the event that it's 1080 performance

Kill yourself, you pile of raw human fecal matter.

>>61443414
Raja is an Nvidia double agent.

>>61443949
Creo is completely geometry bound, yet we see none of that geometry performance in games.

What in the fuck is AMD doing? How are they doing it?

>>61443998
>What in the fuck is AMD doing? How are they doing it?
They said Vega FE is a prosumer card.
THEY SAID IT.
THEY LAUNCHED IT WITH WORKING STABLE PRO DRIVERS.
WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING?
ITS BETTER THAN DELAYING HARDWARE TWO FUCKING QUARTERS BECAUSE YOUR SOFTWARE ASSHATS CANT MAKE TBR WORK IN GAYMS.

>>61444022
No... I mean if Geometry engines are working at 11 trigs per clock, which they are if Creo is any indication.

Why are they not working in GAMES

Specs don't mean jack shit, show some real world benchmarks.

>>61444036
Because you need to wrap primitive shaders around vertex code on per-engine (or per-game) basis.
IT TAKES FUCKING TIME TO WRITE MOTHERFUCKING SOFTWARE.
WRITING DRIVERS FROM BASICALLY SCRATCH IS HARD.
>>61444039
Creo is no longer a real world benchmark?

>>61444036
>Geometry engines are working at 11 trigs per clock
They are working at 4 per clock as of right now.

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>>61443414
>2 years later
>Bigger chip than the 1080
>HBM2
EQUAL PERFORMANCE

It's time for the poo poo to go back to India

Wow Radeon crashes nvidia's years of perfecting geometry performance...
...again.
Literally R300 2.0.
>>61444101
In gayms.
It shits on GP102 in Creo.

>>61444101
Okay, now I'm even more confused


I'll just chalk up Vega as fairy magic and be done with it.

>>61444115
There's still 4 shader engines in Vega.
It uses a new shader stage to discard primitives at ALARMING rate, if Creo perf is of any indication.

>>61444072
>Creo is no longer a real world benchmark?
No, a 15 game-average is what i'd call a reliable real world benchmark.

>>61444151
For a gaymen card.

>>61444151
Ah yeah, the showstopper for a pro card.

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Lisa Su is the crossdresser version of Jen Jsun Huang. They are the same person.

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>>61444257

>>61444257
Then why is she making AMD great again instead of destroying it?
Huang HATES AMD.

>>61444257
Isn't she older than him?

>>61443501
Kek, FE making quick work of Nvidia's top end quadro, and that thing still manages to throttle and it's not even the WX Vega

>>61444287
JHH is older.

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>>61444257
kek, this x1000

>>61444314
Where's the leather jacket?

>>61444286
Because Nvidia cant make x86 CPU, they dont have the license. AMD are now good with CPU and APU but suck with GPU

>>61444072
>IT TAKES FUCKING TIME TO WRITE MOTHERFUCKING SOFTWARE.
>WRITING DRIVERS FROM BASICALLY SCRATCH IS HARD.

AMD
>lets launch the card and then work on the drivers

>>61444257
>>61444314
FUCK

>>61444352
As expected of a nigger.

>>61444351
>suck with GPU
>>61443949
?
It dumps full GP102 in geometry.
Something GCN is not supposed to do.

WCCFTech is literally reading tea leaves.

They could have had GTX 1080 performance by dieshrinking a Fury X. Vega is a lot more than that.

>>61444358
The pro drivers are working and stable.
What's the point?
FE is not a gaymen card, they didn't bother to rush out gaymen drivers.
>>61444374
I kinda think original Greenland/GFX9 was a big Polaris and got canned.
Just like R250 was ages ago.

>>61444257
>>61444314
wtf, look at the eyes, they are the same

>>61443773
>wojak
What the shit is that name? You know about krautchan, right?

I need whitepapers for Vega.
I really-really need them.
How the fuck did they manage to beat nVidia in geometry?
That was nvidia's territory since Fermi days.

I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before, like what kind of sorcery would produce a GPU that's as fast if not faster than a GP102 doing work software(aka shitty old half broken applications where barely anything works properly and needs immeasurable driver fuckery to get it right) but slower than a 1080 doing gaming.
In pro stuff Vega is over 20-30% faster per clock than Fiji, but in gaming it's some 5% slower per clock


Give me a real good explanation that's not drivers, when switching the two it's like a completely different GPU is getting used

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Please, JUST WAIT ™ FOR NAVI®

>>61444469
Oh boy, Navi will be hilarious.
Is rape with 1600mm^2 of silicon legal in USA?
Because HPC dudes would sell their mothers for so many ALUs.

>>61444465
>shitty old half broken applications where barely anything works properly and needs immeasurable driver fuckery to get it right
That sure sounds a lot like video games.

Anyway, check the 780ti to see what happens to cards when driver support just stops.

>>61444512
It applies to both, but Maya is a really good example, the thing is buggier than a sewer, modern AAA engines are less bad, but still need a bunch of hacks.

>>61444535
So basically RTG can make quality drivers but they have no time?

>>61444465
Maybe game engine devs (and AMD's driver devs) haven't optimized the software-side for the GPU yet? That's also a thing NVIDIA has always been better at, optimizing their driver so shitty games still run well despite their devs being incompetent.

>>61444579
>optimizing their driver so shitty games still run well despite their devs being incompetent.
This doesn't work anymore or as well with DX12/Vulkan.

>>61444572
You kinda need both time, money and people for quality drivers.

I'm guessing RTG lacks all 3, besides maybe money.

>>61444579
RTG are trying their hardest to deliver everything on track.
Fuck, they have to write Pro drivers, Gaym drivers, ROCm stack and fucking Mac drivers at once.

>>61444592
That is true, but games can still hit some kind of bottleneck on one GPU which might not be as bad on a GPU by a different vendor. Geometry shaders come to mind, which often perform very differently on GPUs made by different vendors.

>>61444602
They have a shoestring budget. It's not surprising. AMD can't deliver a solid blow to both Intel and NVidia in the same year. It just won't happen. If Navi can make anime, I mean MCM GPUs real, it'll be a whole different story.

Why do you people still speculate about that shit? Vega release is like in two weeks... Dont you have anything better things to do?

WHITEPAPERS WHEN YOU DAMNED PAJEET

>>61444741
What else should i do?
At least nVidia can compete against AMD without resorting to bribes and FUD.

>>61444741
No.

Fug, I'll just expect a 1080 tier card then. Still leagues better than their current offering.

AMD are still sandbagging

>>61444861
2 weeks before launch?
That's kinda late for sandbags.

>>61444802
1080 is only 25-30% faster than a Fury X.

Do you honestly believe AMD spent 2 years and a node shrink to only get 25% higher performance than their last gen?

>>61444872
then there has to be an explanation for this geometric monster.
but there is none. other than sandbagging.

>>61444909
I could see that happening yes. I hope it'll be better, and that's certainly a possibility. But this "news" made me alter my expectations.

>>61444913
Well yea...
Casually shitting on biggest and baddest Pascal SKU in geometry is something fishy-fishy.
>>61444927
It's better at chewing geometry than biggest and baddest, fully enabled, GP102.
Something's fishy.

How are AMDPOORFAG poojets even able to defend this dog shit? I thought they all would've evacuated /g/ at this point out of embarrassment.

>>61444940
I think you just have to face the facts that they designed this thing to kick ass in the workstation and not on the desktop.

>>61444970
You can't kick ass in workstation and NOT kick ass in desktop.

>>61444969
Don't you have a /v/ thread to be shitting up?

It took about 3 months for Ryzen to come up to scratch and compete with Intel in gaming benchmarks. I expect the same with Vega.

>>61443414
>no FPS displayed
>FPS limited
>AMD said the system was $300 cheaper
>tested against a (reference) 1080, pretty much the same shit
They don't have a performance monster on their hands, they're clearly trying to play up the value proposition of RX Vega, which is fine. I expect something around 1080 level but cheaper.

>>61444913
The explanation is that the new geometry peer comes from the shader array (not fixed func units), can't be used 100% of the time without choking pixel shading capacity, and needs propriety driver extensions to work at all.

It'll let Vega do well on specially tuned software that's geometry bottlenecked, but it's not gonna be a free panacea.

>>61445056
> geometry perf
Excuse my phoneposting

>>61445056
That's almost a free panacea considering the amount of ALUs left free to saturate.

>>61445097
~9 of 56-64 NCUs for each geometry unit substituted isn't quite free.
Could be rather decent if devs actually target it though.

>niggerfield 1
>AMD sponsored game
AMDead Rebrandeon Poojeets always use Doom 2016 and battlefield. Sad!

>>61445165
That's the most effortless shitposting i've ever seen.
>>61445158
Fiji's main problem was ALU saturation due to chocking frontend.
Vega has an elegant solution for that.

>>61445182
Fiji had congestion issues everywhere. I hope Vega solves them, but a new subsystem that requires special SW targeting isn't the most perfect solution.

>>61445233
Better than nothing I guess.
Actually we just need the fucking whitepapers for Vega.

>>61443894
1070 level performance

>>61445037
This. It's pretty much Ryzen launch all over again.

>>61445412
No, not exactly.
We knew what Zen was from demos (actual demos) and HotChips presentation.
We know fuckall about Vega.

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>1070 price with the titan x performance

>>61444444

>>61445593
>some fanboy said something stupid once somewhere

Stop the presses.

>>61445593
Wut?

>>61444396
>FE is not a gaymen card
>AYYMD compares it to a Titan XP in games just because
>DELET THIS

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>>61445846
They compared it in SPECviewperf.

What a piece of shit of a GPU.

>>61445899
That breaks even or smokes P6000 in intended workloads?
Man I wish I had this piece of shit.

At this point AMD has delayed so long everyone who might have been interested has lost interest. You did very well with Ryzen AMD, but I think you need to fire Koduri because he doesn't seem to be doing anything.

>>61443501

>Implying I'm putting a non-ECC card anywhere near my workstation

Good joke

>>61445944
>you need to fire one of the 3.5 competent lead architects in the industry just because
?

uhhh

>>61445953
That's correct

Raja is a failure

get someone better

>>61445952
HBM supports ECC by default.
>>61445964
Who is better than fucking Evergreen dude?

>>61443901
$750

oh man, this is like the RX launch debacle all over again.


They *only* thing they can do is price is decently below the 1080.

But after all this hype and time, they can't even beat out the vanilla 1080 from a year ago, why bother any more ?


In less than a year nvidia will be rolling out whatever is after the 10xx series

>>61445989
>whatever is after 1000 series
Bigger dies.

>>61445995
>writing out your own green text instead of just copying it..

>>61445953
Well he's basically sat around and jacked off to the hype for the last year or more and produced fuck all in actual products. I mean jesus tittyfucking christ, at this point just release SOMETHING, ANY FUCKING THING AT ALL, to show that AMD still makes GPUs, and no, fucking Polaris doesn't count, it's just a fucking die shrink of RX 3xx which was just a rebrand of Hawaii. I bought my fucking R9 290 four years ago and they still haven't released a new GPU (except the massive pile of shit that was the Fury series).

>>61445970
Someone who isn't coasting off 1 success and 3 failures.

nvidia shills please stop shilling for raja so we can get some actual competition at amd for once

>>61446022
>Polaris is Hawaii dieshrink
Please be bait.

>>61445952
For non-mission-critical tasks it's fine. It's cheaper and marketed towards game developers, etc.

>>61446027
>1 success and 3 failures
Being? Also
>actual competition
People are not buying Radeon since g80 times.
Why would they waste fuckton of money for GPU R&D?

>>61446043
Tell me how I'm wrong. The RX 480 basically performed on par with my R9 290, and that's with a far superior process node.

>>61446071
It delivers ~same performance with HALF the ROPs.
Basically fucking kill yourself.

So when do we get a big die polaris that btfo vega?

>>61446095
RX 590 or bust.

Man who gives a shit if it's 1070/1080 level, miners will buy out that card most likely as soon as it releases, pushing it's price to 1080ti levels or even higher.

>>61446143
>miners
ETH is crashing.

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>>61446160
Yeah about that. The problem is that as long as it stays above 150 bucks, it's still worth mining for.

>>61446084
Then why the fuck can't they scale that up, and why isn't a 64 ROP card like RX Vega trashing the 1080Ti? I'm just fucking tired of AMD hyping this shit and not releasing anything, and I'm fucking tired of AMD not even trying to compete at the high end. I want to upgrade my R9 290 and I don't want to pay $800 for it or buy from Nvidia.

>>61446189
BECAUSE RX VEGA IS NOT EVEN OUT YET YOU NIGGER.
FE TRADES BLOWS OR EVEN SMOKES FULL GP102 DEPENDING ON WORKLOAD.

>>61443456
>>61443478
>>61443773
>>61444374
>AMD fanboys have turned on the most notorious AMD shill site next to /g/

What happened?

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>>61446251

>>61446219
...and yet in gaming applications (what I plan to use it for) it can't even beat a 1080 which has been out for a year. And don't pull that drivers horseshit, between AMD's presentation showing RX Vega achieving "playable" framerates in Prey and OP's article obviously RX Vega isn't going to blow away the 1080Ti no matter how much I wish it would. As for Vega not being out, AMD's been hyping Vega since before the 1080 released and I and every other sane consumer out there am sick and fucking tired of the date being pushed back over and over again. We don't even fucking have a date right now, except "there will be an event at the end of the month". I was a fanboy, I'm still all in for Ryzen, but this shit has me pissed off and I've lost any faith I might have ever had in RTG.

>>61446069
>People are not buying Radeon since g80 times.
AMD had lower marketshare than NVIDIA for a long time, yeah, but the latest assrape only started when Maxwell came out, then Pascal made it worse at the high-end. Maxwell didn't come out that long ago, but maybe you're right. AMD should pout at the injustice of it all and just stop competing.

>>61446378
FE gaymen perf is not indicative of RX gaymen perf.
They didn't bother to release proper gayming drivers for it because it would require to delay FE past q2 2017 resulting in moderately angry shareholders.

>>61443501
Well, that explains why Apple is using it.
Now I wonder how good bins Apple gets, they're using the 64 and 56SP parts but both have the same tflops, so the 64 part should be downclocked and more efficient.

Something around 200-220W?

>>61446409
THE FUCKING OP ARTICLE IS RX (RX) "RX" RRRRRXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!111 FUCKING DRIVERS YOU NIGGER FUCKING MONGOLOID KEKBOY AND THE PREY FUCKING GOD DAMNED DEMO WAS RX VEGA TOO! GET FUCKING FUCKED!

>>61446428
We don't know how efficient Vega is with proper power management enabled.
Supposedly it inherited AVFS from Zen.

>>61446431
You have no frame counter for the OP article, only that 'one is more smoother' than the other

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>>61443754
>being similar to 1080 is bad news
kys

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>>61446431
Bro you need to take a chill pill. It's just vidya cards. Nobody's losing their life over this shit.

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>>61446431
Your pills.

>>61446445
Yep, and the 1080 achieves greater than 60fps average in that game so obviously the one that was less smooth is the Vega part.

>>61446452
I'm just tired of the hype and the denial and cucks like this guy >>61446445 constantly making fucking excuses.

>>61445915
Justify it harder. A year later and this is the power of Raja? A shitty, hard to write drivers for architecture that is power hungry and not much faster than Fiji XT?

>>61446480
>not much faster than Fiji XT
?

>>61446473
Did it have a FPS counter or not? You're basing performance off hearsay

>>61446321
You must be new if you don't remember.

>>61446503
No it didn't.
We also don't know the settings used.
Basically it's prime wccftrash clickbait material, courtesy of RTG.

>>61446409
Every single gaming leak and *official demo* we've seen since like late 2016 has put Vega around GTX 1080 levels in gaming performance. Every single one. FE comes out, despite "not being a gaming card" it performs exactly the same as all the demos and leaks have showed. Now AMD takes RX Vega on tour and it seems to perform the fucking same as all the leaks and the same as FE and AMD THEMSELVES ARE COMPARING IT TO A 1080. There is not one shred of evidence pointing to better gaming performance from Vega than what we've seen and what we've known for months.

>>61446518
Lisa should terminate the entire RTG marketing department, they're acting like Intel but worse.
Better yet, just lend out some of the CPU marketing guys to RTG, after threadripper launches they won't have any job until Pinnacle Ridge launches anyway

>>61446503
This was an AMD sponsored game and an AMD sponsored demo, as was the Prey demo. If they had a significant performance advantage do you think they would keep doing these demos with no FPS counters? Keep in mind Nvidia isn't Intel, and they haven't been sitting around with their thumbs up their asses sniffing their own shit for the last half decade, and AMD hasn't been completely out of the game for a decade either, so they're not going to BTFO Nvidia by just updating their shit.

>>61446524
They'll have to sell it for $400-$450 to see any decent sales numbers, and they won't be getting much of a profit .. but I guess they have to salvage what they can at this point.

>>61446547
>Pinnacle Ridge
Is probably cancelled since 7nm LP comes sooner than expected.

>>61446547
I second this, MD GPU marketing has either been nonexistent or trash since Su and Koduri took over.

>>61446556
>NVIDIA isn't Intel
Yes, it's worse. It can't make good memory or good NICs.
It can't even make a good SoC with reference ARM cores.
Something even chinks can do.

>>61446556
>AMD doesn't use fps counters

L M A O

This can't be real, can it?

>>61443414

Stupid /v/tards. The days of massive performance jumps in generation has been over since Tahiti/Kepler.

Maxwell wasn't that much of a jump in performance over Kepler and it was more efficient. Pascal pretty much went the same general direction. Its performance boost is entirely due to clockspeed from 16nm process. It is basically a tweaked Maxwell on clockspeed roids. Volta is going to be more GPGPU focused so don't expect any jumps in gaming performance either since it is still build on the same 14nm process.

Those who were expecting Vega to outright crush Pascal at gaming performance are completely delusional. It was optimistic at best for Vega at least match Pascal at gaming performance. I expect it to defeat Pascal at general compute though but Volta will leapfrog it at general compute though.

>>61446590
>Stupid /v/tards. The days of massive performance jumps in generation has been over since Tahiti/Kepler.
>Maxwell wasn't that much of a jump in performance over Kepler and it was more efficient.

What the fuck am I reading?

>Those who were expecting Vega to outright crush Pascal at gaming performance are completely delusional.

I agree. The days of AMD are over.

>>61446582
And yet they've released multiple high end GPUs since the last time AMD even tried (and failed miserably) to compete in that market.

>>61446590
Pascal is also moar ALUs and moar ALUs always work as long as scheduling can saturate them.

>>61446502
Clock for clock it's barely faster than a Fury X.

All the hype about having higher "ipc", faster data throughput, power saving features like tiled rendering, and rasterizing. And it consumes 250 fucking watts, while not much faster than a 1080 which consumes 180.

It's an abortion that should cost Raja his job.

>>61446622
>failed miserably
What? The only meh one was Fiji, due to being double Tonga will all the ALU saturation problems it brought.
It's just halo products are generally unprofitable for AMD. They don't have the mindshare to sell them to kids.

>>61446630
In gayms.
Aka you need to go back to /v/.

>>61446630
Clock for clock it demolishes Fiji

>>61446644
>The only meh one was Fiji
Which was exactly what I was referring to. The last good high end GPU from AMD was the R9 290X.

>>61446667
And it was mediocre sales-wise.
So yes it's pretty much pointless for AMD to make halo products.

>>61446644
>halo products are generally unprofitable for AMD
Then why even bother with RX Vega if it's going to disappoint in performance and have low supply?

>>61446680
Read above

>>61446683
>dissappoint in performance
?
>low supply
Source: your ass?

>>61446680
Not if it's a pro only GPU with shitload of compute.

>>61446683
And furthermore why the hell would you hype it for well over a year like they have?

>>61446699
Because RTG's marketing should be lined up and shot.
They're basically 3 tiers below the CPU marketing folk

>>61446695
There were rumors about it, and it would make sense for AMD to put all the supply into the high margin parts especially if they don't think they're going to be able to sell them.

>>61446661
You mean the only market Radeon is relatively competitive in? Yeah, fuck me for wanting a competitive product. You faggot.

>>61446699
>hype
How? Cryptic HBCC demos and *some* high-level details?
Holy fuck /v/ermin truly are fucking retarded.

>>61446661
I love when /g/ pretends they do anything productive in a sad attempt to stave off the cognitive dissonance of being an AMD fanboy.

>>61446718
Yes, you need to suck JHH's cock like every /v/edditor supposed to.
Do it, pal.

>>61443414
so it uses more power but will be worse on average? iirc bf1 is an amd sponsored game and they've always done better in it

>>61446720
Yeah, because that DOOM demo back in December wasn't gaming hype...

>>61446724
I love when /v/ pretends they understand anything in hardware besides
>green - good, red - bad

>>61446666
Fucking lying piece of shit.

>>61446618

Maxwell was meh-tier at best for those who already were on Kepler GPUs (barring Nvidia driver stupidity). The only Maxwell part that sold well was the 970 because it was a steal its price point despite the stupid 3.5GiB and 512MiB partition issue. At launch it went less than $299 and it yielded near 780Ti performance.

>>61446729
You need to stop taking that pajeet cock and apologizing for such a shit product.

>>61446724
FE is performing like a P6000 at one fifth the price and has non-gimped FP16, it'll sell.
WX Vega coming out in a month or two will do even better.
You can keep crying all you want about RX Vega, which will probably be low margin shit, and if RTG has any brain they'll keep their production to a minimum.

AMD won't lose money from Vega.
Conclusion: AMD won't be going bankrupt and will continue making green cock goblins angry for many more years to come.

>>61446789
>shit product
>trades blows or even smokes GP102 in intended workloads
?

>>61446805
Why was it compared to Titan XP in professional workloads again?

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>>61443414
>AMD releases vega
>NVIDIA releases the 1100 series or whatever they're calling it

Always one step behind. You just know this is gonna happen.

>>61446812
Because Titan Xp has full GP102 and both cards use non-certified drivers?
Like, that really makes you think.

>>61446817
A little over six months away from Volta.

If you are a sucker like me who waited for the still birth abortion thay is Vega yoh kight as well wait another six months for an actual good card from Nvidia.

>>61444072
>Because you need to wrap primitive shaders around vertex code on per-engine (or per-game) basis.
Why would that be required? It's the same task no matter what program calls upon it. Why are you pretending that "prosumer software" does something qualitatively different from what gaymes do?

>>61446841
>even bigger, truly NV30-tier Pascal
Eh.

>>61446823
Yeah, like two Polaris 480s with 50% performance in brackets. Compared against a single 1080.

Really agitates my aglates.

>>61446841
At this point I've been waiting 2 years.

Eh, my 290 still works fine at 1440p for most shit but whatever.

>>61446852
>new shader stage
>same task
Wot?

>>61446841

Volta isn't going offer anything new for gaming crowd and it looks like Nvidia knows this.

They are going to do slight refreshes on their current line-up while big Volta a.k.a GV100 be making all of the massive dough via more lucrative HPC, computer-learning and database markets.

>>61446853
>Even bigger Fury truly Fiji XT tier.
Eh

>>61446914
Holy shit tried.
Should have mentioned R600 but whatever.

>>61446914
So a "bigger" Fury chokes a full GP102 like a bitch? Impressive, AMD.

>>61446913
It will be faster than anything Radeon can put out. A true single 4K@60+FPS card.

>>61446876
For programs that don't use that shader stage, which is all of them since it's completely new, and not even necessarily useful in general situations.

>>61446927
And is shit tier in games. Enjoy paying that RTG premium for worse performance.

>>61446913
Bibeocards are still fucking irrelevant in data center.
NVIDIA still needs better gaymen performers.
Thus, expect bigger dies.
>>61446927
Not in pixel fillrate tho. 96 ROPs are still formidable.

>>61446946
Do you think Nvidia wants to sell a $6000 Quadro or a $600 gaymer card?

Like, are you retarded or something?

>>61446958
Are you suggesting a Titan isn't profitable?

>>61446947
pixelfill is a meme, even uncompressed raw 4k frames don't need that much.
In fact even the 64 Fiji ROPs are enough

The bottleneck has never been the render output stage.

>>61446958
He's probably crossboarding /v/ermin. Everything has to be about MUH VIDYA or else.

>>61446974
Compared to P6000?
Hell no.

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>>61443414
Let's be honest, why would you ever need the power of something more than a 1080 anyways?

>>61446979
Yes, the bottleneck was in chocking front-end thus low ALU saturation.
But boy does Vega look good in geometry.

>>61446984
Because CUDA is superior to ROCm. Gaming is supoosed to be AMDs forte and they cant even in to gaming.

>>61446974
Titans sell in less quantities than P6000 because its market is small, regardless of the P6000 costing 6 times as much, it definitely has a market and that market is being targeted by FE and WX, Titans are there to look nice.

>>61446947

No, it doesn't anymore.

The big money isn't in high-end gaming performance. It has been shrinking over the last decade.

Nvidia and AMD know this. That's why they have been shifting focus towards other markets for the massive GPGPU designs.

The high-end "gaming" GPUs from both companies are really just "rejected" enterprise/prosumer-tier silicon (ate too much power and/or have defective sections). They sell for lower margin to diminishing Videophie/FPS junkie /v/tard crowd.

Mid-tier "gaming" GPUs are the only pure gaming silicon left.

The low-end market has been eaten away from Intel's CPU/IGPs combos and soon AMD when they come out with Ryzen Mobile.

>>61447005
Titans *were* prosumer cards back in GK110 age. And they sold well.

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Why does the graphics industry advance so fucking slowly
>leave /g/ for two years
>come back and phones are completely different and we're STILL on the 1080

how much longer will I have to wait for video cards with the bandwidth output to power 3x 5k displays

as far as I'm aware, the Mac pro is the only current solution because of the 6 thunderbolts, and I don't want to fucking buy a mac

>>61447018
Big money is in high-end gaymen performance. Over half of nvidia's revenue is gaymen cards.

>>61447001
ROCm is a deep learning platform, has nothing to do with FE Vega other than the fact you can use it on FE but you're better off with instinct cards, and yes Nvidia does have a better ecosystem for ML at the moment

>>61447046

Physics and market realities have caught up.

It is no longer lucrative to spend billions of capital on "pure" performance gaming GPUs.

Nvidia wants to avoid the same fate as 3Dfx and SGI.

>>61447022
I know, and that was a really good buy as they had phenomenal FP64

Not anymore, heck not even FP16 for titans anymore, they're just gaming cards now

>>61447067
>NVIDIA wants to avoid the same fate as 3dfx or SGI
Then they should start making something besides meme processing units.

>>61447067
3Dfx and SGI got eaten by nVidia, though. There's no obvious other party to eat nVidia.

Good fucking lord if AMD released the Instinct cards first you'd complain about gaming performance.

>>61446790
I already told you in another thread that I don't give a shit about a company and their profits and nor do they give a shit about you for defending them on an anonymous image board.

>>61447052

Wrong, that is entirely made-up from mid-tier cards. The 970, 1070 and 1060 are what's selling en mass.

1080 and 1080Ti make small money by comparison.

High-end gaming GPUs are dying off and are becoming as anachronistic as high-end sound cards.

Nvidia saw the writing on the wall back in the mid 2000s. Which is why they shift focus towards general compute as seen with Fermi and its successors.

>>61447089
Can't gaym on Instinct, these are headless.

>>61447113
I'm sorry sir cuck-a-lot, I'm a shareholder.

>>61446754
>green - good, red - bad

It's actually a pretty good rule of thumb. The last time red = good was before AMD bought RTG.

>>61447052
They know the AIB market is slowly shrinking which is why they're trying to branch out as hard as possible. Gamers don't want to face the reality that they aren't the primary audience anymore for AMD or NVidia.

>>61447088

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kxPyNZF3Q

>>61447119
>Fermi and it's successors
Come the fuck on. Kekler killed FP64 in anything but GK110 and Maxwell had no HPC offering at all.
And "general compute" is basically simplistic number crunching that's irrelevant to 80% of the datacenter market.

>>61447133
You mean before AMD bought ATi?
What the fuck was R700 and Evergreens then?
>>61447136
>they are trying
The key word is trying.
For now it's 90% worthless memes.
Their last three keynotes were like 98% memes.

>>61447147

Why is Intel losing their shit then? Why they have a such a massive boner for AVX when when it doesn't make sense outside of the HPC market?

Here is a hint, HPC is being taken over by Nvidia GPGPUs.

CPUs will make AMD more money in 1 year than RTG did in 4, their GPU offerings are irrelevant but they'll still turn a profit on them.

>>61447175
Cool, and HPC is niche as fuck.
It's as niche as 4S+ servers.

>>61447136

Exactly

Nvidia and AMD have been shifting their focus elsewhere. They only care about their shareholders.

Nvidia just has been a doing far better job at so far.

>>61443414

This thing will sell out day 1 because of miners.

Expect massive markups.

>>61447201
>far better job
>still can't make a SoC worth shit
?

>>61447188

Nope, the cloud and HPC markets have far more capital in them silly gayming market.

Intel doesn't want it lose its golden goose.

>>61447225
>far more capital
Intel's datacenter revenue is like >80% 2S offerings.
Yes, HPC is still niche as fuck.

>>61447225
Cloud yes.

HPC, the ones targeted by Teslas and XeonPHI and AVX512, no? That's rather small still.

>>61447211

Making a profit to their shareholder you dimwit.

Nvidia stock is strong as fuck. AMD is only starting to dig itself out of its massive hole.

>>61447245
>NVIDIA stock is strong as fuck
No shit, gaymen cards are selling like hotcakes.
That's it.

>>61447245
Nvidia's stock is overvalued as ungodly fuck.

>>61447260
Meme learning stronk!

>>61447203

Actually, no

Mining is dying out since it has "hit" the difficulty wall where it becomes to expensive to mine (hardware cost and electrical costs are too much for most of the industrialized world)

Besides, the Vega GPU is currently not suited to mining yet due its different architecture (requiring rewriting the software for it) and HBM isn't friendly for cryptocurrency.

>>61447291
>Implying miners aren't massive idiots who will buy them out anyway

>>61446022
Confirmed for not knowing how GPUs are made.
>>>/v/

>>61447268
That, but mostly because of the push into self-crashing devices, no one knows yet how big the market is for that.

One thing's for sure, if it crashes, it's gonna crash hard.

>>61447330

They are already pawning off their "used" RX 480, 470 and 1070 as we speak.

>>61447339
I love the double entendre.

>>61447339
>self-crashing devices
Fuck at least ML has some practical applications.
Automotive is just silly fun for now.

>>61447291
there are all kinds of new shitcoins popping up, and apparently even a pretty mainstream cryptocurrency like ethereum is/was profitable because meme speculators pumped up the price like crazy

>>61447291
Vega is good for Montero mining.
And funnily enough so is Ryzen and ESPECIALLY EPYC

It's a pretty decently sized currency, I wager it might be the next one after Eth


CPU shortages here we come

>>61447406
>somebody builds a home datacenter with 1U 2S ebyn racks for monero mining
SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT.

>>61447141
Are you trying to say that GPUs are dying? What are you imagining is taking their place?

>>61447419
Way ahead of you, someone actually has 3000 2S Xeons dedicated to Montero mining, that was before EPYC was announced, he latter said he plans to include EPYC there as well.
STH comment section

>>61447430
Super-big APUs.
There's a whitepaper about exascale APU from AMD.
Go read it.

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>>61447457
>meanwhile

Why the fuck is AMD so shit with GPUs in comparison to Ryzen?

>>61447430

Yes, pure GPU designs are becoming an endangered species.

SoCs from Intel have already consumed the low-end market while the high-end market is moving towards general compute related applications.

It is only a matter of time before they become as anachronistic as discrete audio cards.

>>61447477
It's all gaymen GPUs.
>>61447479
>so shit
Vega FE trades blows or even chokes P6000 in workstation tasks.
I wouldn't call that shit.

>>61447477

That forecast is painfully over optimistic. Nvidia already has saturated the "gayming" market and there's no killer app that makes their blockbuster 970 woefully obsolete.

Protip: They don't have another "970" coming down the pipe anytime soon.

>>61447120
>the joke
>your head

>>61447493
>It is only a matter of time before they become as anachronistic as discrete audio cards.
I wouldn't mind if this were the case, but there are no non-low-end products like that.

>>61447533
Maybe they'll make an MCM GPU design earlier than AMD? They need it to survive.

>>61447533
It's not a forecast, it's a historic graph.

>>61447550
For now.
Go read the whitepaper about exascale APU.

>>61447550

Discrete sound cards were exactly in the same place as current high-end "gaming GPUs back during 1990s.

SoC are slowly be surely saturating the mainstream market by being just "good enough".

>>61447504
>It's all gaymen GPUs.
Yes? The point was exactly that the gaymen market is very far from dead.

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>>61447584
Whitepapers are quite far from implemented reality.

>>61447596
It's volatile.
EXTREMELY volatile.
That's why nvidia tried to move away from it.

>>61447610
Even if that's the case, it's still their largest source of income by far.

>>61447622
And they can do nothing about it.

Also who the fuck though 815mm^2 die is a good idea?

>>61447632
Yes, but there's no obvious sign of it being dead or dying.

So Vega gets double the power draw of Nvidia's cards but still can't offer 1080 performance?

>>61447657
leather jacket man

>>61447757
it's 1080 performance with 285 watts. Maybe better drivers will improve this in a few months.

>>61447346
They're still selling them for more used than they are new. Market's still fucked.

>>61447809
Should say "than they were".

>>61447785
Maybe I should buy a Vega. It gets really cold in the winter at home.

>>61447533
>Nvidia already has saturated the "gayming" market

Lolno. Ryzen was the first real honest to god reason to build a new PC that we've had in the past 7 fucking years. Everybody is jumping on board and it fucking SUCKS ASS because cryptofags bought all the cards and Vega still hasn't been released yet.

>>61447554
if Navi comes in MCM then Nvidia can't possibly release a design of their own before that

>>61447887
Vega x4 on one GPU. Irresponsible amounts of power. Hope you got a 1500 watt PSU.

>>61447969
They're not gonna put such big dies on a MCM, interconnect bandwidth is a thing.
Also it would be far smarter to double up on the shaders and lose the clockspeed for such a design.
There's no notable loss of lower clocks on GPUs compared to CPUs, assuming you have enough shaders of course.

>>61447992
Would it be more like 4x underclocked Vega? I don't know shit about MCM GPUs.

>>61448013
no, vega has 64 CU's, on a MCM design it would be more like 1 to 4 32 CU's modules, that way you can make gpus for most of the market out of the same die, just like ryzen/threadripper/epyc

>>61448049
64CUs might go into midrange with 7nm if it really has double the density.

>>61448062
maybe 48 for midrange, it's more dense but not really two times denser

>>61447969
4x RX 580 on one GPU.

>>61448105
this, and if someone really wants even more modules on a gpu and can pay for it, it's doable

>>61447887
Volta > Pascal > Navi > Vega

At this rate RTG should just market their GPU's at miners only. They are the only ones buying them right now after all.

I am an AMD fanboy and even I want AMD to close their GPU side of things. They just cannot compete. They should just concentrate all of their money and efforts into CPU's from now on. At least we would hear much about shitcoins anymore too.

>>61449196
>wouldn't
fixed

>>61449196
Auction off ATI

>>61449196
despite how much radeon sucks; things would be worse if they were gone

>>61449196
Close? No. Give up on high end GAYMAN? Probably.

>tfw normal people have been enjoying their gtx 1080/1070 cards for more than a year
>meanwhile waitfags just wait
>and now Vega will be overpriced because of the cryptomining shit

>>61447046
gtx 1080 ti or even gtx 1070 are fucking beasts compared to what we had two years ago. you can play at 1440p or even 2160p

>>61443877
No

>>61446805
>thread is about RX Vega performance versus GTX 1080
>but muh pro workloads
>muh GP102!!
Feel free to fuck off back to plebbit any time.

This is the best card AMD can produce. Let that sink in.

It took AMD one year longer, to make the best card they have ever made. And it's no better than the competitions mid-high end offerings.

Everything RTG has touched has been absolute dog shit.

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im going to sue AMD for the psychological toll they put me through with this fucking hype train crashing into reality