/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>61403146
That image just screams lost opportunity to make an Attack On Titan joke.

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>>61403146
is that assface the ATI mascot or something?

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>>61403307
AMD really has gotten better at everything over the years, even waifus.

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>>61403307
>he doesn't know Ruby

Underage pls go.

Why isnt i5 7600k recommended?

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DID SOMEONE SAY AMADA

>>61403384
because it's bad and you should feel bad

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>>61403385
Cup size? I won't accept anything above A.

>>61403393
Considering the game I play is CPU depended and prefers single core performance the i5 7600k is gucci

>>61403429
4460 master race.

>>61403429
hey, if it works for you then that's it
I remember using the meme-cored fx-8350 twice and it was pretty decent for what I do, but it feels obsolete compared to anything else.

What brand can compete in terms of performance and noise level against noctua for 140mm or 200mm fans ?

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I need to absolutely upgrade my GPU from GT 630 (yeah GT without X). For the past 2 weeks I tried my luck on eBay but didn't work. Is there any ETA when this cuckery will come to an end? I don't want to go bankrupt just for a GPU upgrade.

What's the best single tower cooler? Was leaning towards H7 but apparently they're being slow with the brackets and it's a pain to mount anyways.
Noctua U12s the best?

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>>61403424
Boy are you in for a treat.

>>61403624
Just get a GTX 1050ti. It's breddy gud.

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>>61403624
>about to say you can just get a 1050 Ti for $150 and it'll be a decent upgrade to the 630 without blowing the bank
>look at the same one I bought on Newegg last fucking week
>it's $200 now

Jesus fucking christ on a stick. It's not that good of a card but shit at least it WAS cheap. Whatever you get, get it NOW because this is as cheap as it will ever be. Fuck's sake 1050 Ti's what are you even doing you retarded fucking miners, what the fuck.

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>>61403655
I thought about that but the benchmarks I saw didn't look very promising for FFXIV. I just wanted something that can run this game on max settings at 1080p and 60+ FPS so I can get addicted and forget reality. I'm so tired of searching, it's really stressing, I gained like 5 fucking kilos this week.

>>61403695
yeah I noticed, it's fucking retarded how the prices are increasing now.

>>61403733
You'll have to wait until the mining craze is over I'm afraid to say.

Should I just wait till 2018 for a new pc?

Rocking i5 2500k and a gtx 960. Not really bothered with playing too many games, but it's starting to show age.

>>61403384
The i5 7600k is a maxed out quad-core 4 thread processor, easily reaches 100% CPU utilization in recent games, good if you just want to play games but it wont last long until it bottlenecks the shit outta new games.

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>tfw waiting for bannerlord and star citizen to upgrade my comp
>going to save money 'til 2025

feels like burning hate, friendos

guys rate my build? built it before kabylake

i5 6600k
cryorig h7
gigabyte board
16gb ddr
gtx 1050 ti
1tb hdd 128gb ssd

running on my 23 inch 1080p screen

>>61404045
It's pretty bad.

Buy a non-k 6700
Try a $20 CPU cooler
Buy a non OC gigabyte motherboard
Get either 8 gb ram or triple channeled 12gb ram

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>>61403695
Just when will this ridiculous GPU hoarding stop?

>>61403146
I know this is unrelated, but at the moment I have i7 4790k. Should I just OC or wait for Coffee Lake?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149QBOF0/

is this thing a good monitor for gayman/general use? looking to get a 144hz 1440p at a decent size one and this seemed pretty good

>>61404220
Sorry looks like this is more expensive in America, I'm assuming you can find a 6700 at %130 the price of the 6600k or lower then that would make sense.

Also maybe just a $10 cpu cooler since it's just stock.

>>61404410
Wait™

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Hey /g/ I am upgrading my peice of shit pc from 2003 that can only run emulation of older 90's consoles. My budget is roughly $400 - $500 CAD but I'd rather keep it on the low end. I don't really mind not playing newer titles and I won't be doing anything too demanding. I made a list so far (link below) and it does have some of the parts I already have for instance I use the 21:9 monitor to watch movies and game with a old wii. Any suggestions would be great and no I don't expect you to read all of this shit.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/p89bgL

>>61404429
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017EVR2VM

or maybe this, is an IPS panel worth the extra $200?

>>61404442
Get a Pentium G4560 instead of that APU.

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Long story short my gaming PC is dead as a dodo. I dug out an old ass PC I had from 2008 and swapped out a few pieces I had stockpiled so I'm currently saving and waiting for GPU prices to fall before building a new one.

Current setup is pic related. Is it worth upgrading to an ASUS Radeon R7 240 2GB GPU or will it all just get bottle necked from this old ass PC?

>>61404442
You're blowing $100 on liquid cooling you don't need that could be used to improve processor, get another hdd OR get a bigger monitor.

The Pentium G4560 would probably be better. Anything past Pooptation 2 would require dedicated graphics and 3,6 ghz cpu.

>>61403384
4 cores aren't enough t. amd shills since 2010

>>61404569
It's not worth investing anything in. The CPU is hot garbage and the motherboard doesn't support anything better.

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>>61404658
>I love stutter and lots of cocks in my mouth!

t. assblasted i5 owner

I just bought a benq xl2730, which is a 1440p 144hz monitor with freesync, my build is:
i7-7700k
gtx 1080
16gb 2400 ram
all of this in a node 202 case. Should I expect good performance?

>>61403429
Which game?
Every game prefer single core performance, just that some of them will shit the bed if only 4 threads

>>61404569
Yes, consider ATI 4850.

>>61404771
>GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed

Maybe in some games like Overwatch, CSGO, etc.

>>61404771
No

What kind of question is this? Of course you should expect to get good performance you stupid fuck.

>>61404678
>all Intels on top
Nice

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>>61404553
>>61404615

>Get a Pentium G4560
Thanks anons maybe I'll switch to the g4560, how does it compare to the 7890k?

>Your blowing $100 on liquid cooling
I want to make sure I can keep the processor cool while overclocking and it seemed like the best option.

>get a bigger monitor
I have two pretty decent size monitors, everyone else thinks they are pretty big.

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>>61404678
>i5 stock
kek

>>61404661
Really? I know it's bad but I just need something to tide me over. I can get the ASUS R7 240 for 40 bucks.

>>61404802
Please don't meme me bro

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is this accurate? is 1050 Ti really so bad?

Does anyone have any ideas as to when prices will come down? I have a guy willing to buy my 980 for $400, and I want to wait til they drop amd put that towards a 1080 or 1080ti.

>>61404971
That's very inaccurate because it's a synthetic and it means nothing in game

>>61404971
Don't put too much stock in benchmarks like that. In game performance is what matters.

>>61403444
How so?

>>61404971
Generally, Nvidia's GPUs go 1.5 tiers higher than their last generation:
>GTX 1080 < 980 Tis in SLI
>GTX 1070 = 980 Ti
>GTX 1060 6GB = 980
>GTX 1060 3GB > 970
>GTX 1050 Ti < 970
>GTX 1050 = 960
>GT 1030 = 750 Ti

How does an i5 4670 non-k hold up in terms of CPU these days? I know it's an older chipset but all things considered I'm still rocking and I need a guesstimate on how much longer she'll last me for general gaming and multitasking (Skype+game+Firefox for instance)

>>61405111
>general gaming
Until games utilize more cores
>multitasking (Skype+game+Firefox for instance)
Forever

>>61404923
Ok, anything faster than a ATI 4850 will bottleneck it.

What's a decent GPU to pair with an i5 4460 these days?

I really don't want to switch the fucker. I know it's not the best but if I want something substantial I'll probably have to get a different socket + different motherboard + different RAM.

>>61404904
>overclocking is going to raise a 25fps low to something playable

Intelfags are literally this deluded.

>>61404859
>Thanks anons maybe I'll switch to the g4560, how does it compare to the 7890k?

Utterly destroys it in everything except graphics performance and uses a lot less power. You won't need an additional cooler, as the one that comes with it is fine.

>>61404771
I have a very simmilar build and run alot of games in the 100+ fps on ultra at 1440p.

Getting a monitor with freesync and a 1080 seems like a weird combination, you should get one with goysync if you want that gpu, sadly AMD doesn't have anything high end right now

>>61404771
Also get 3000 mhz ram, it's only a few dollars extra and can make a big difference in some games

By the way, do motherboards affect boot time?

I'm switching from an H81M-E33 to a GA-Z97-HD3 because it's malfunctioning. I noticed that it would get stuck at boot way too often with any drives connected.

>>61405249
Some BIOS settings can speed boot times

>>61405249
My mobo seemed to POST a bit faster after updating from stock firmware.

Windows still reports 20 seconds, but definitely better than before (I have no time recorded).

>>61405344
If you disable GUI boot in msconfig.exe this saves you like 5 seconds too.

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What should I do with all these Miku's?

>>61405143
Thanks man. I'm running it paired with a 1060 6GB and I'm hoping to grab another few years out of this.
>>61405180
Iktfb. I'm running the above and it's pretty solid in terms of what I achieve. I run dying light at max with only slight stuttering if I max out FoV. Keep in mind that's also because I'm running Skype+Firefox+game+etc in the background too

>>61405249
Even BIOS revision can affect boot times. My Maximus VIII Hero Alpha was slow as shit POSTing with the early revisions, but one of the updates eliminated the wait entirely.

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>>61405204
>Utterly destroys it in everything except graphics performance and uses a lot less power. You won't need an additional cooler, as the one that comes with it is fine.
Thanks a lot anon, I updated the build (link below), it's $70 more than the original one but I think that would be alright.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LQB2Cy

>>61404012
We'll have quantum processors by then

>>61405518
Those PC part picker compatibility issues actually mean something.

What significative difference is there between 1050 Ti and 1050 Ti mini?

>>61405569
Cooling, price

>>61405569
>significative difference
nothing

>>61405569
Cooling and noise. Mini is simply so the card can fit inside itx or low profile cases. To do so they cut down the size of the cooler and usually only have a single cooling fan as opposed to 2. 1 fan will have to spin at say 3k rpm to do the same cooling that 2 fans would do at 1500 rpm.

However the 1050ti is a cooler running card, so I'd the price is low enough, get the mini. Won't effect much really.

>>61405593
the specs are the same? the board looks a bit shorter in mini version.

>>61405547
>Those PC part picker compatibility issues actually mean something.
Just needs a bios update, can't I do that at like a local computer store?

>>61405547
>>61405641
Or even with my older pc cpu?

>>61405615
Some reviews I read say the same, about temps.
I'll check some Mini sellers close to me, maybe I can save a bit more on shipping costs.

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>>61405681
Make sure it's a single large fan, not those low profile 1050ti cards with dual 40mm fans because those will be loud as fuck. Pic related. Avoid this.

>>61405641
>>61405680
If they have a Skylake CPU you can use. H110 boards are perfectly compatible with Kaby Lake, but almost certainly need to be updated using a Skylake CPU first (some may have shipped with the necessary update, but that's a lottery).

Also, you really only need 2400MHz RAM, as that's the max that the G4560 supports. If there's no/little price difference though, it doesn't really matter.

>>61405641
>>61405680
Just grab eitherof these and save yourself the hassle
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/JNH48d/msi-b250m-pro-vd-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-pro-vd

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KWjWGX/asrock-b250m-hdv-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-hdv

>>61405727
yeah looks like a pretty useless addition, at that fan size.

>>61404971
What do you mean "so bad"? It's doing better than a 380x and a 770. It is put in the dirt by the 470/480 570/580 and 1060 3 and 6 yes. The only reason you would even buy one is if you needed a card RIGHT NOW and can't find anything in stock because miners. Before the mining craze the 470 and 570 were like 30 bucks more expensive for 50%+ more performance.

>>61405786
What this anon says. The rx470/570 4GB cards were hands down best price: performance cards. People are only recommending the 1050ti now because miners grabbed up all the AMD cards, and a 1060 is usually double the price of a 1050ti. The 1050ti is a great 1080p card if you're willing to run with X4 Msaa as opposed to x8.

is the RX570 still an okay card? I would be running it with a Ryzen 1600

>>61405859
I must be literally blind because I use no AA to help hit 1080/144hz and can't tell a difference unless I'm standing still in-game and looking for it.

>>61405738
>Also, you really only need 2400MHz RAM, as that's the max that the G4560 supports. If there's no/little price difference though, it doesn't really matter.

Yea there barley is any price difference but thanks anyway anon, also I doubt they would be able to help me out so I'll save myself the trouble and just get what the other guy suggested.

>>61405749
>Just grab eitherof these and save yourself the hassle
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/JNH48d/msi-b250m-pro-vd-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-pro-vd
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KWjWGX/asrock-b250m-hdv-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-hdv

I'll be using the msi mobo, thanks for the feedback anon.

>>61405891
every card is an alright card by someones definition. what really matters is what you'll be playing and how much you'll be paying.

>>61405894
Depends on the game usually and it does make a difference. More so for objects or places that are really far away in game.

Been a while since I've been on 1080p though I'll admit. Been on my 32" 60hz 1440p monitor for some time now. I usually use only X2 AA compared to X4 because of my higher power density.

>>61405891
you can sell it for 300$ on ebay to retarded crypto miners

>lucked out at John Lewis and got a i5 6400 system for £150

Looks like it can only take a graphics card 7" long. Can I get a decent low profile card that'll fit? Guessing that they use non-standard mounting so buying a new case is out of the question.

>>61406127
Really? I'm only getting it for $220!

damn 1050tis are over $150-160 now

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Autist here, why won't this boot or even post? I've tried two identical motherboards and two different RAM kits, the only thing that's consistent is the CPU, but it's brand new.
Am I missing something? The motherboard has power, the CPU fits the socket and has power, there's RAM on it and there's also a HDD with Win7 installed on it. What else does a PC need to boot? It just turns on, does nothing for a while then restarts.
I've also tried it with a video card just in case both motherboards have faulty HDMI sockets.

>>61406506
It doesn't need more to boot
Have you tried using DVI, VGA or whatever your motherboard allow? Maybe the cable is faulty

>>61406506
You sure your mobo supports the CPU? It might need a BIOS/UEFI update.

For games at 1080p@60fps and decent settings for now and the next five years should i go for the gtx 1060 or the gtx 1070?

>>61406520
The cable works fine with my other pc and I only have a DVI-I cable and the socket is DVI-D
>>61406526
How do I update if I can't turn it on because it doesn't werk with my CPU though?

>>61406566
>How do I update if I can't turn it on because it doesn't werk with my CPU though?
You can't
What CPU?

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>>61404285
>>61403695
>was about to buy an asus 1080 strix for 540 dollars 2 days ago
>check the price today
>750$
I hope they all get bone cancer

>>61405891
>>61405786
>>61405859
RIP poor GPUs
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/263089728240

>>61406566

>How do I update if I can't turn it on because it doesn't werk with my CPU though?

Outside of very expensive boards that support booting to bios withotu a cpu for this exact reason, you can't.

What cpu is that exactly?

>>61403146
PRICE DROPS WHEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING COINER FAGS

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CnvpsJ

How is this build for video editing, any changes I should make? I plan to expand memory and storage in the future, hence the single ram module.

>>61406581
>Zcash/Monero

This is why it's never going to end. When Bitcoin stopped being profitable to mind, the market flooded with GPUs because nobody actually took ANY of the other coins seriously. It was full of shit like Dogecoin and other worthless jokes.

Now that ETH happened, people are going to think twice about other coins before they get rid of their shit. People are going to go

>whelp ETH isn't profitable
>time to get in on Zcash and Monero while they're still new!
>surely THIS time I'll strike it rich!
>h-haha this $10,000 mining rig w-wasn't a b-bad investment at all

>>61406591
>>61406575
Celeron g3900

>>61405450
You're on /g/, so stick one up your ass and take pics.

>>61406713
>one
>>61405450
Don't listen to him. Stick them ALL up your ass and hang yourself.

>>61406690
>>61406591
>>61406526
Also I forgot to mention it did post three times in the past (out of many tries) and even started to boot before shutting down abruptly. This was a few days ago though and I thought it was the RAM at fault, so I bought more RAM today, but it's still not working.

Wat is the best and cheapest ddr4 ram (2x 4gb) for gaming and stuff

>>61406755
Your CPU seems to be supported from F4 BIOS onwards, while the earliest listed is F2 (http://www.gigabyte.us/Ajax/SupportFunction/Getcpulist?Type=Product&Value=5490). It should be supported though, since you have managed to get it to boot up in the past. Maybe the CPU is just broken, since you've tried replacing the other components? What about the PSU?

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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133283

Is this case as silly as it looks?

>>61406823
>case
i don't think that can be called a case

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>>61406454
ikr I pulled the trigger on one of those today for 165 euros... I'm gonna skip dinner for a week.

>tfw I just wanted to play vidya in good quality settings

>>61406823
that'd actually work if it was mounted on the wall, but not for desktop usage

Right now I'm paralyzed with indecision: Switch to mATX or continue with mini-ITX?

mini-ITX: i7-7700k and DanCase A4-SFX (v1 in black) purchased a while back, but since I live in a goddamn desert I'm wondering how temps will hold when I cram a 1080Ti in there. Planned this build before my foray into wanting a 10GigE network, so it won't be able to connect with that unless I rip out the video card or do horrible things to the thunderbolt connector.

mATX: No temp worries, and can be brought into the 10Gig-E network I have planned out via PCI-E card (SFP+ DA, statically addressed). This does leave the very nice (and pricey) A4-SFX case in the cold though.

Wiring for 10Gig-E mostly for a virtualization box and NAS/SAN hybrid box - because fuck waiting for transfer times over 100/1000BASE-T.

>>61406816
I'm using the PSU in my own pc to try to get it to boot, I'm not sure what unit it is as there's nothing written on it, but it powers my pc with an rx480 just fine.
This setup is actually my brother's and he's a complete technical illiterate so he gave it to me to see if I could fix it since it wouldn't work for him. He might have fucked the CPU somehow while first trying to set it up.

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I'm not gonna upgrade anymore for the next 10 years... I hope the GPU market crashes and burns together with all the cryptoshits, frigging bitches.

>>61406955
Don't worry it will; the GPU market's corpse will make way for the MPU market

>>61406695
Listen man, for the amount you're paying, your system seems terribly underpowered., you're paying like $1000 more than what you need for a computer with the same power.

with that budget I'd get something like Threadripper or some retardedd shit like that.


If not, get this, plus all the peripherials. save a couple bucks
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PHHdQV

>want to try my hand at making a itx build as a "console killer"; something to have hooked up to my TV to play normie games with my friends when they visit
>itx mobo costs
Jesus fucking christ. I'm just gonna build a mATX

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>>61406695
>liquid cooled i7 for gaymen

>>61407033
Yeah, those premiums are something else. mATX is a good compromise in my opinion also.

>>61406946
Probably a broken CPU then. Maybe the posts you got were it's death throes.

>>61404859
Better CPU performance than the A10, but shit iGPU
And drop that damn watercooler

>>61407133
its*

>>61407107
Maybe he needs the absolute maximum FPS and is going to delid.

>>61405518
>GT 730
At least get a 1050ti/RX560 or buy used (HD7870 for example), those will allow you to play anything and don't cost too much
The 730 is a joke

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>>61407133
>maybe the posts you got were its death throes
I didn't come here to feel anon. But that's probably it

>move to new appartment
>ethernet out of question
>buy a wifi card
>think cheap one should do fine
>Anus PCE-N15
>worst fucking piece of shit
>dropping connection all the fucking time
>going back tomorrow

What wifi card is /g/ using that just werks? Are the USB ones even worth considering (I've always assumed they were not)?

Need something cheap and stable for muh gaymes, help.

>>61407219
Your card isn't going to help very much, you need to make your router blast out more power to assert dominance over the local Wi-Fi ecosystem.

>>61407133
And yet it'd cost about the same with a wireless PCI card anyway...fml.

>>61407219
I just got the top seller on pcpartpicker and it's fine.

So most AIO liquid coolers on the market are made by Asetek right? And the pump/radiator design is mostly the same? Seems like the only difference is the pump plate/tubing, fans and software. If that's the case should I just pick the most gucci design? Im going to replace the fans anyways.

>>61406999
>suggesting msi to any ever
lol uh no.
Also why wouldn't I just spend the extra couple hundread buckaroos to get better products and have everything match each other?

>>61407107
>>61407155
since when is it a thing to have a loud pc? under full load I barely hear the thing and its right next to me on my desk. When browsing random shit only the rad fans are on and they turn at 500rpm. I don't see why this is a bad thing?

>>61407257
This is the answer.

>>61407219
Cantenna + inverter

>>61407219
Get a better router

>>61407219
Using a PCE-N15 since 3 years
No issues here

>>61407300
Just have your PC in another room entirely and remote in/use Steam in home streaming from a fanless NUC.

Don't know about the acoustics of that Corsair case you picked, but there are probably better options if you want it to be quiet.

>>61407257
this right here
>>61407219
cfw your router and turn the power up. snuff out the competition and make them bitch and moan about their crap. I had this issue living in the barracks and 80 fucking rooms had wireless routers going on. Whenever I OC'd my shit every one on my floor and above/below started complaining about internet being shit.

>>61407257
>>61407313
>>61407317

Forgot to add that I'm also using a laptop on the same network and it gets literally perfect connection. That's why I believe the card is at fault.

>>61407537
Probably cause your laptop as a better path to the router or the antennas on your pc arent pointed correctly. move the pc closer to the router for a bit and see if the problem still happens.

How am I doing for a console replacement build? Wanting to have something I can use wireless Xbox1 controllers with to play some normie games when my friends are over
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/PT6ktJ

Will my old 660 hold up for now?

>>61407665
What console are you trying to replace?

Certainly not the PS3/360 with RPCS3 and Xenia coming up.

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Got it new for $549.99 the other day

>>61407758
Kinda everything I guess; being able to run old emulators for things up to PS3/360 as well as my steam library of games. Really I just want a thing I can leave set up next to my TV as a sort of "catch all" console for when I have company.

>>61407850
>PS3/360
>Old emulators
With that build you're not going to do dick. I would think you can't even use LLE N64 emulators.

For the rest it's alright but yeah, forget about things like Cemu or Citra too.

Can someone tell me in short if there's any problem buying a good gold PSU, good SSD, good case, good motherboard, and then a garbage GPU and CPU?

I don't have the money to price up to a $1000+ computer currently, and thus I'd have to price down to everything being poor-average quality if I bought it balanced.
But I will have the money in 2-3months or so, and will be able to upgrade, maybe even after these disgusting miners stop buying GPUs and things go on sale a little for holidays(?).

Would it be inadvisible to do so, essentially buying everything good but the CPU and GPU, then tossing that $100-200 in the bin and getting good parts?
Would it have any negative affect on the machine or simply would not be a good idea in your opinion?

>>61407963

Never do a half build - it is better to wait and go all in.

Is there any worthwhile upgrade to my athlon x2 4850e? I couldn't find anything about my motherboard, but I believe it doesn't support any higher than 65w and is am2. Will check with some other processor when I'm home.

>>61406807
>>61406807
Pleasu respondu

Preferably something below 50 bucks

>>61406611
This.
>>61406823
wat

Is the i5 4570 considered outdated?

Realistically, what kind of temperatures and clocks can I expect to get with the stock Ryzen cooler for a 1700? I'm considering a custom loop but I want to wait until my tax return, if I can get something decent now, I don't mind waiting.

>>61408084
There is no such thing as an outdated CPU.
There are only CPUs that do what you want, and those that don't.
My 2500K does what I want. To me, it's as good as new. I'll replace it only when it's not good enough for my specific purposes.

>>61407997
Why? Just because it's a waste of a CPU/GPU?
Currently I'm sufferring on a labtop with a AMD E-300, as my other computer broke entirely and was almost a decade old.

Even the shit $60 pentuim and $100 1050 would be 2x better than my previous computer, and the GPU being literally 10x, so I won't be suffering on it.

Aren't good PSU's and a decent case something that lasts years if not a decade? So I'd figure I shouldn't downgrade it...and waiting, that seems equally a horrid, as I'd really only have enough for a mid-range CPU and not a good GPU, so wouldn't the CPU mean fuck-all?

>>61403146
Any news on when graphics card prices will stabilize?

>>61408120
Are there any proper tests out there comparing haswell with skylake equivalents?

I'm wondering if in the near future, if I upgrade, I should go for a new haswell or instead spend quite a bit more on skylake.

>>61408097
3.6Ghz should be fine with the stock cooler

>>61407953
How about just running my steam library then? I've got a shitload of games like RL, magicka, ect. Most of those "all on one screen" kinda multiplayer games. Gauntlet, that TombRaider one, those sort of things. If not, where should I boost?

>>61403146
I've an ancient 2300 i5. It's OK for my needs, but I wanted to upgrade it to get a newer motherboard that'd support SATAIII and PCIe 3.0. (sataII and PCIe 2.0 now) Would buying a cheap Celeron for a new socket 1151 motherboard be an upgrade in any way? I'd probably wouldn't upgrade it for another 5 years.

or should I buy a Chinese SSD 64gb for 30$ and pretend PC (read few outdated games with long load times) became faster?

>>61407186
>At least get a 1050ti/RX560 or buy used (HD7870 for example), those will allow you to play anything and don't cost too much
>The 730 is a joke

Those gpu's are anywhere from $50 - $100 more and that would put me way over budget, I've seen some rigs with the gt 730 and the g4560 paired together and the newer titles seemed pretty playable.

>>61408261
It'd be a downgrade. Just buy a Z77 board for your current CPU if all you care about is PCIe 3.0 (for what purpose anyway?) and SATA III.

>>61408149
What CPU/mobo do you plan on getting? It seems kind of wasteful to buy a shitty CPU/mobo combo knowing that you're going to replace it in a few months.

I see nothing wrong with buying a good PSU and case even if you don't have a build entirely mapped out though, those things really can last for a long time.

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>>61408035
>was home already
Couldn't find anything useful concerning the motherboard(Acer RS740DVF) other than it being am2 and it supporting my athlon 64 X2 5000+ which has a 65W TDP.

>>61408057
You wont find ANY DDR4 for cheap right now.

Just get this 2400MHZ
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UFF7Y72/?tag=pcpapi-20

Cheapest 2x4 kit on pcpartpicker

>>61406823

No EM Shielding and no noise dampening. The glass/plastic panel will probably look like shit after a while too.

>>61408261
>>61408298
No second-hand parts in the place I live. Euro pajeets buy them out and drive prices comparable to prices of new components.

>PCIe 3.0 (for what purpose anyway?)
Wouldn't my graphics card start working at its full speed then? (it's 750ti oc)

Are AIO coolers better than a fan+heat sink or should I just stick with the air coolers for my ryzen 1700x build?

>>61408261
SATA III only matters if you have an SSD. You won't see any improvement by putting a spinning disk on one.
PCIe 3.0 doesn't matter in 99% of scenarios. Certainly none you are in.

>>61408331
>PCIe 3.0
No, the 750Ti is fine with 2.0.

>>61408368
Air

>>61408306
>>61408035
Probably not

>>61408261
No

>>61408331
>Wouldn't my graphics card start working at its full speed then
PCIe is just bandwidth. Your 750ti isn't filling it. You could probably put it in PCIe 1.0 and wouldn't see a difference.

>>61408378
>>61408421
Would I see any improvement with a 64gb SSD?
It'd be for the few apps I use and a game or two.

How well supported is the 580x on linux?

I have some issues with my 280x regarding desktop performance. I was wondering if newer cards are much better supported.

>>61408462
580*

>>61408456
For a SATA SSD it's ideal to have SATA III.
If I recall, 6-series chipsets did have 2x SATA III, but I might be misremembering.
However, even on SATA II, it would still be better than a spinning disk. Use it for boot and programs only.

>>61408368
Good AIOs are slightly better than good air coolers. They're more expensive and less reliable though, so air coolers are still preferred.

AIOs have their benefits too though; they put less stress on the motherboard, you don't have to worry whether your RAM sticks will fit underneath them and some of them (kraken x62) look pretty good too.

>>61408301
Pentium G560
Then I was going to get either a Z270 or X370, in other words a good one I can overclock later if I wanted with a good CPU/GPU.

The only thing I'd be skimping on is the CPU really, as the GPU would stay as such till the disgusting miners get their own cards and I can upgrade that without it costing $400-500

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>>61408331
Even a GTX 1080 doesn't tap out PCIe 2.0. A 750 Ti isn't even coming close. Additionally, an SSD would still be a huge upgrade even with SATA II. I had one in my old Phenom II system and it was night and day, even at the reduced speeds.

So my z77 motherboard is dying.
I do video editing and light gaming
New build
1700x
Mobo- no idea
32gb ddr4 3600
500gb m.2
500gb ssd-have
Gtx1080-have
1500w PS- have
2tb hdd-have

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>>61406323
WAKE ME UP INSIDE

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>>61408421
>Probably not
Oh well, was hoping I could get some extra performance while waiting for zen 2 or a cheap intel cpu.

Is a Z97 chipset mobo overkill for a 4460, or a wise investment for a future K series processor?

>>61407188
dumb question, but have you tried pulling the CMOS for 10 mins or trying a different battery?

>>61407779
where my nigga

>>61408564
Only if you plan to eventually purchase said processor.

>>61408564
>planning to "futureproof" by buying a quad core CPU down the road

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Just in case you guys haven't heart the news, check out pic related.

Now that ETH is finished and bankrupt, miners are also finished and bankrupt, a mass sell off is likely to occur. What GPU's are you guys planning to pick up cheap?

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>>61403146
>poor little white girl.jpg

>>61408594
I wonder, do older intel processors ever drop down in price?

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>>61408605
feels good knowing that all of these idiots that knew fuckall about e-coin and mining that invested so much into it are gonna end up massively in debt and never will do it again

>>61408624
If you buy them used.
Not on the retail market.

I'd never buy a last gen motherboard and chip new. That's a terrible deal.

>>61408624
No, they never do.

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>>61408605
crash faster I want to play Nier: Automata and my GTX 750 Ti won't cut it.

>>61408624
They do, just not for several generations. Sandy Vag has just started depreciating in value.

>>61408582
Microcenter, its at $590 just checked right now. I wanted to get one that was $570 when I went but he checked stock and they just got the STRIX 1080 delivered that day and $549.:)

>>61408564
Buy with an eye to what's affordable.
Premium chips retain ridiculous value going forward. It's very unreasonable. Even today EE Pentium 4s and Black Edition Phenoms are worth well beyond their actual performance value.
Look to see if the K SKU Haswell chips are worth notably more than the non K SKUs. They probably are and it may not be worth it.

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>>61408605
FUCK
When did this happen? I bought an overpriced 1050 Ti barely 2 hours ago for fuck sake... I fucking knew it I always get cucked in a way or another whenever I touch my wallet, I should have waited a couple days and bought a 1060 6GB

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What should I change on this build anons?
Heavily oriented to gaming and emulation
Note I'm still waiting for a price drop on a 1080,
I already own a SSD, monitor and peripherals.

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Who here /buys the xx80Ti regardless of price every year and is comfy as fuck laughing at people whining at miners/?

>>61408751
You still have time to cancel the order.

Or you can activate price protection if your credit card allows it.

Unless you bought it second hand in cash off of Craigslist or something which in that case I am sorry for your lots.

>>61408758
You can probably get away with a 650W. Also look to see if the G3 is close enough in price to consider.

>>61408778
I'm just glad I got my parts and the pc build rat race is over for me. It's all just enjoying the flames and tears of others now.

>>61408674
dj is that you?

>>61408758
>7700K
I use an Intel CPU but you're going to regret that senpai. Unless you primarily play old games just get Ryzen or Wait™ for either Zen 2 or Intel to have a non-retarded line of processors.

Also, while this is true:
>>61408792
If you care about noise get the more powerful PSU as it'll not have to work as hard. You could easily run a system like that on a 500W PSU if you wanted though.

>>61408789
So you have any news links I can read to see to confirm ETH will go down within the next few days before I cancel the order? I don't wanna regret later if ETH goes up again and GPU become even more expensive than now.

>>61408792
Yeah i'm running my 1080 with 650w

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>>61408751
It happened two days ago / yesterday
I'm sorry anon

>>61408819
You won't find anything like that, crypto markets are all just based on bullshit, no one can really predict them.

Besides I'd be very surprised if this crash in prices was reflected in GPU prices in anything shorter than two months.

>>61408819
>GPU become even more expensive than now.
That's not gonna happen as stores have been starting to get resupplies of RX cards and it was / it is already at it's worse, it's not like miners are gonna buy all of the 1050ti

>>61408835
it's night now and I'm sure the store still hasn't checked the orders, if only I could confirm that the prices are really going down, I can cancel it maybe, I bought on ebay with paypal.

>>61408847
1050Ti was $150 last week. It's $200 this week.

>>61408806
idk who that is so no

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>>61404285
Hahahahaha

>>61408861
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/used_gpus_flood_the_market_as_ethereum_s_price_crashes_below_150/1#.WWtiMCvRY_M.reddit

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>>61408605
ah yes the mass sell off at 70$ over MSRP has begun

hint: most miners are mining to keep for when ETH moves over to proof of stake.

They don't care about current prices, and you will never see cheap GPU's again.

>>61408751
If you paid under 180 you may as well just keep it.

>>61408861
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F854M6454&cm_re=1050ti-_-14-137-055-_-Product

>>61408844
>>61408847
ok.. is it worth the risk in your opinion? I paid 165€ for it (yeah >>61406861
was me), I've no idea what was the price before the mining fad because I wasn't planning to upgrade at that time, so I wasn't following the prices.

>>61408908
180 usd? I think 165 euros is worth 181 usd on ebay after currency change.

>>61408891
>retarded hair
>ill fitting suit
>clear, larper tier earpiece
>25$ shoes

kek

>>61408966
>>61408894

>>61408966
180USD, yes.

>>61403146

how do I get an ATI figurine like that?

Will the ASIC farms save us from the cryptocurrency miners?

im doing a build for my friend who needs a budget build that he can upgrade later down the road.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vvB2Cy
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vvB2Cy/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($175.28 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($62.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Windforce OC Video Card
Case: Zalman - ZM-T1 PLUS MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 350W ATX Power Supply
Total: $389.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-16 16:20 EDT-0400

Any thoughts?

>>61408984
>huur flood the market
>>still 150 over MSRP

fuck off, this isnt happening and ETH miners are mining for proof of stake not instant selling anymore. They are banking on future returns and do not care about current pricing.

>>61409019
no

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>>61409028
why are you so mean

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>>61408792
>>61408824
>>61408812

Alright thanks anons, but I will stick to the i7 for now just for the single core performace required on some old games like you guessed fampai.

>>61409021
>budget build
>upgrade later down
>i5 7400
Very bad, switch to R5 1500x: performs better in anything CPU intensive, more futureproof thanks to the extra threads, can be overclocked, b350 mobo (overclockable) cost around the same as b250(non overclockable), and the platform will last 2 - 3 years whereas LGA 1151 is already dead since 6 months or will be in 2

>>61409060
What old games? Do you need to play them at over 500 FPS? What the actual fuck are you doing, nigger?

>>61409060
Ryzen has more than enough single threaded performance for old games, unless you care about running them at 400fps instead of 350fps. If you're interested in emulation, it's also far better for RPCS3 (due to the fact that it uses more than four cores if available) and will run any other emulator full speed.

>>61409021
Nothing about a 1151 socket quad core is in any way upgradeable down the road.

Swap the I5 for a Ryzen 5 1500x or 1400 and get a cheap B350M motherboard.

The am4 socket will be used for zen 2 as well

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>>61409055
because falsely getting peoples hopes up is not OK anon.

i just want a cheap 470 and I don't see it happening for along time.

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>tfw got 32gb of RAM running stable at @3200Mhz 1T

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>>61409162
Pretty much

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>>61408984
>>61409004
Well, something definitely happened, it's all in red.
I'll wait morning, if before 5 AM GPU prices start to drop, I will cancel the purchase.

>>61409109
>>61409117
These people live in a world where they like getting 10% GPU utilization and FPS drops to 30. I'm tired of the "Ryzen is enuff" meme, old games are horrifically optimized.

t. i7 + 1080Ti + 1440p user who wouldn't dream of getting worse single thread performance than I'm suffering now

>>61409195
>146
Was that taken in late 2015? what a waste of wattage, a simple ASIC pen can probably outperform that cluster.

>>61409106
>>61409118
you guys sure 1151 isnt going to be supported anymore?

>>61409226
No ASICs for ETH or ZEC buddy and that is very recent

>>61409238
>Intels current lineup spiraling down the shitter
>'a-are they going to still support dis?'

>>61409198
You'll get some panic sellers but keep in mind that other miners are always going to buy GPUs anyway and may beat you to the punch. There are currencies to mine aside from ETH after all.

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Is pic related and the paste that comes with it good enough for my R7 1700X? Would it really benefit from having a second fan? When playing vidya I hit go around 85C on CPUID but Ryzen Master says the temp is a lot lower.

>>61409213
I have a 6700K and a 1700X and I cannot distinguish their performance in "old games" because they're both well over 144 fps. Hell my old 2500K would probably be fine. It's definitely not a case of getting 30 FPS in one and 80 in another.

>>61409266
do you have anything productive to say or are you just stroking AMDs dick?

>>61409312
Go play Skyrim, CSGO or Red Orchesta 2 pls, thanks.

>>61409305
Noctua's paste is actually really good. Yes a second fan would help if for no other reason that you can get the same thermals with less noise. Of course it may not be loud to begin with so gauge that yourself.

>>61409305

You do realise that the X cpus have a +20c offset (i.e they report 20c hotter than they really are) precicely to ensure coolers ramp up to give the cooling headroom for XFR to kick in.

>>61409341
>stroking AMDs dick
>posting this from my intel desktop
kys

>>61409349
Yeah I actually play Skyrim and CSGO and they're fine. I don't have Red Orchestra 2.

1080 or 1080ti?

>>61409305
One thing I learned is with two fans you need to adjust them so that they're never both running at the same speed. If they're too close in speed, the sounds or the air or something starts syncing up and oscillating back and forth. They need to be at different speeds so the noise doesn't do anything constructive and just mashes together into a single unbroken white hum instead of an annoying oscillating thing.

>>61409364
so no.

>>61409238
Nobody knows if Coffee Lake will be supported on 1151. It isn't clear yet.

>>61409368
Same, even old Skyrim runs fine and SSE is way smoother.

What is better: 1050 Ti in SLI or 1080 Ti alone?

>>61409372
>no budget listed

1080 Ti

>>61409238
Coffee Lake will maybe, although most likely not, be on LGA 1151
Regardless, there's nothing afterwards

>>61409470
1050 Ti can't SLI, nothing under a 1070 in the current line can SLI

>>61409019
Not this time, unless the price in DRAM or other kinds of RAM fall drastically.

Even then, I dont know of any ASICs being made right now.

Thanks for the quick (You)s
>>61409353
>>61409380
That's reassuring, I was second guessing myself if the extra case fans I got for the initial build were enough but for now it's fairly quiet. I'll keep that in mind and see if I really want that fan later down the road.

>>61409359
That explains a lot, couldn't get my hands on a regular 1700 for being out of stock so I jumped on the X for like $20 more.

>>61409401
fine go buy an overpriced i5, you asked for help

nobody here works at intel, how the fuck are we supposed to know exactly what shit they plan next, but they clearly are beyond 1151.

>>61409470
>SLI
>ever

>>61409516
well that proves you work for amd

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>>61409109
>>61409117
>>61409213
>heavily oriented to gaming and emulation
>emulation
I mean like CEMU, RPCS3, CITRA, DOLPHIN and heavily modded games. Can you guys guarantee me a ryzen CPU performs better for those? because if it does I will change it.

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>>61409516
>overpriced i5

>>61409443
>>61409487

wtf is up with that cpu name?

>>61409556
if only, i wouldn't have to wait for vega™ if that was the case

>>61409559
It's comparable and only better if the emulator or game supports multithreading beyond 4 cores. I've personally run Dolphin and I can run all my games just fine on my 1700X. RPCS3 actually does run better with more cores so it runs as well as you can expect but it's a fairly crappy emulator to begin with. At least for the games I've tried.

>>61409585
lmao what the fuck is that graph supposed to be telling me?

>>61409585
>userbenchmarks

I'm willing to replace my 6 year old PC and have a max budget of 1200 euros, this is what I've been looking into:
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/VNyJ9W

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHZ BOX (229,00 € @ Pccomponentes)
Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B350-F Gaming (129,95 € @ Pccomponentes)
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR4 2133 PC4-17000 16GB CL14 (152,00 € @ Pccomponentes)
PSU: Corsair VS 650W 80+ (59,95 € @ Pccomponentes)
GPU: Asus ROG Strix Geforce GTX 1070 Gaming OC 8GB GDDR5 (579,95 € @ Pccomponentes)
Case: Nox Hummer ZS Black (45,75 € @ Pccomponentes)
Storage: I'll be using a 116 GB SSD and an extra 1TB I already Have
CPU heatsink: I've got a Noctua, but I don't have it's box anymore and I don't really know which model it is. I guess I'll keep using that one.
Total: 1.205,10 €

Any ideas? Does this look good?

GPUs here still are 25%+ the price of several months ago and bad availability.

No intentions of building this. Done as a purely hypothetical budget PC build. Thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Rg2Cy

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>>61409655
t-the i5 kaby lake w-wasn't a mistake, we swear

>>61409673
I would pic up a better PSU and faster RAM, if possible.
If the price is intolerable, pick up a single 8GB stick now and upgrade to 16 in the future with a matching pair.

>>61409673
Get 3000 Mhz RAM

>>61409698
>>61409741

How about these?
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 PC-24000 16GB 2x8GB CL15 or G.Skill Ripjaws V Red DDR4 3000 PC4-24000 16GB 2x8GB CL15 152€

PSU: Corsair RM750X 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular 129€

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>>61409673
see if you can't get closer to 3200mhz ram, Ryzen likes faster ram, and make sure its on the QVL

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/STRIX_B350-F_GAMING/ROG_STRIX_B350-F_GAMING_Memory_QVL_20170519.pdf?_ga=2.205582353.329936003.1496830631-1995554391.1496830631

>>61409798
Much better ram choices, what you have before was way too expensive for what it was.

>>61409798
That's a better quality PSU but it's more wattage than anyone realistically needs on a single socket single GPU system.
Get something 550W-650W.

Jesus christ how long until the prices drop again? I want a new monitor and my shitty gtx760 isn't gonna pull 144hz in anything.

1600 owners, how far are you able to push OC on the stock Wraith Spire? I just built my first PC and was contemplating on whether to also by an aftermarket cooler or not. Or even OC to begin with as its by first build.

Also, any tips on how to get the RAM I bought as close as possible to its rated speed? If the profiles from the mobo and/or timings on the sticks themselves don't work, do I increase the numbers or lower them?
I bought an MSI B350 PC Mate and the black variant of CMK16GX4M2A2666C16, but only the red and white sticks (added R and W to the end of the model number respectively) are in the supported QVL list. Not sure how much of a difference there is there.

>>61409891
never, because even if crypto prices crash, people will just mine new coins or keep mining and hoard the coins even if they lose money, just to gamble on a possible spike in value.

>>61409915
>how far are you able to push OC on the stock Wraith Spire?
3.8 Ghz. 3.9 gets toasty

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>>61409516
>nobody here works at intel

speak for yourself. i shill here all the time. big profits = big bonuses.

>>61409349
Have fun playing CSGO at 640x480 lowest settings and jerk off to those 500fps on your inferno lake, instead of 400fps on a ryzen system I guess

>>61409915
>CMK16GX4M2A2666C16
the ending model number on the vengeance line is just the color of the pre-stalled heat spreader.

I guess just keep looking for bios updates.

Can't help you on the 1600 OC yet.

>>61409891
The only things that we have a rough timeframe for are RAM and NAND prices.
GPU availability is complete guesswork.

>>61409922
So GPUs will be fucked forever? I mean can't they just get a larger supply? There's a fuckton more demand now so why not?

>>61409970
whats the talk around the water cooler about the retard in marketing that tried to use glue and gaming benchmarks on the shill slides?

>>61409993
new supplies will come in but there will likely never hit as low as the original msrp.

>>61409818
I found these:
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 PC-24000 16GB 2x8GB CL15 (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) which appears on the list.
Then, there is this one Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 PC-25600 16GB 2x8GB CL16 (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) for 6 more euros, but it isn't on the list you linked.

The second one seems like a straight upgrade (3000 -> 3200), what do you think?

>>61409993
prices will go down but not much, there's too much demand atm

>>61409915
That will depend on how high your VCORE needs to be to run a stable OC. If you can stick to 1.35 then you should be able to get to 3.8 or even a bit more. If you have to bump it up then it'll start getting too hot.

will overclocking a GPU decrease its lifespan even if you keep it always on lowest possible temps?

>>61409946
>>61410140
Thanks. I'll start with how much I can get without changing the voltage and work slowly up from there.

>>61409986
Good to know! Is it a good idea to mess around with beta BIOS that may have better support or just stick with official releases?

>>61408216
>where should I boost?
Yes

Can I expect high GPU technological advancements next year now that nvidia is earning a lot? or will they be faggots and just release the usual new GPUs with irrelevant improvements that only have higher cost?

>>61409213
You're delusional and trying to justify all that money you spent. I play mostly old games on a much more modest 2600K and have zero performance issues. Ryzen will have none either.

>>61409349
Skyrim runs just fine. CS:GO is a prime example of wanking to extra FPS long after it's stopped mattering.

>>61409559
It won't be BETTER, but it won't be noticably worse. I had a 1700 at 4GHz close to launch (ended up returning it due to a faulty motherboard and stumbled into this cheap 2600K setup instead for now), and it was absolutely fine for Cemu, which is the most single thread-demanding emulator out there right now. It's more than enough for Dolphin (hell, that runs full speed on an overclocked Phenom II these days) and is actually better for RPCS3 (as a HEDT Intel chip would be, since it's heavily multi-threaded and uses as many cores as it can get).

>>61410246
Most of their R&D goes into Quadros and Teslas, professional workstation cards and deep learning, which will probably trickle down to consumer GPUs.

>>61410163
Yes.
By the time your CPU or GPU dies, it will have long since become useless. The only way to kill it quickly is to significantly increase the power draw.

>>61409349
I played Skyrim just fine on a shitty AMD APU with performance mods. You realize it's locked at 60fps, right? Grahics mods mean all the stress will go to your GPU anyway.

Refurbished hard drives, bad idea?
The price of the hgst 3tb is tempting.

Are MMSI motherboards shit or am I just getting a really good deal on a newish one (Z270 SLI)?

>>61409213
Are you literally retarded? The differences between CPU's are only evident at 1080p and lower, at 1440p and higher the differences between Ryzen and the 7700k almost disappear since you're putting more stress on the GPU.

>>61410193
NP, I recommend Prime95 torture tests for stability. It can expose problems that other workloads may not, basically a worst case scenario for a CPU in terms of power demand.

You can use the built-in "Small FFT" test or I like to also do a custom one with in-place 1344 size FFTs. Both of these will push the CPU and motherboard VRMs quite hard and if any of the workers fail or your system hangs/reboots then you either need more power or less frequency on the core.

>>61410345
theres 2 shills who hate them here, I've had one that's had no issues for like 6 years.

I guess their RMA process can be rather poor.

>>61410322
why would you even trust any data to that at all,unless its like your 4th backup

Sheeeit. Socket 2066 motherboards are actually cheap in my country. Might update to i9 soon...

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>>61410351
To expand on my post, here's ARMA 3, one of the worst optimized games out there, and it's 20fps less at 1440p. Not great but that's really the worst case scenario, it's still above 60fps and you can likely get higher by overclocking. Not even the 7700K can hit above 120Hz at even 1080p. Older games won't be as demanding, unless you're playing some horrible Slav mess like Boiling Point: Road to Hell which maxes out even a 7700K.

>>61410412
inb4 dual channel & 16 PCIe lanes

>>61410442

Only problem is that the store I am looking at currently only carries one i9 processor and it's costly as fuck since it's new.

>>61410464

*one model of processor

>>61410464
welcome to intel

>>61410391
Thats my inclination, but they're recommended here. It'd be for muh gaymes and plug-ins/sample libraries I can redownload.

>>61403695
Thx minefags

>>61403804
>2500k showing its age
LIES!

>>61403804
It's most likely the 960 that is showing it's age

>>61404454
IPS gud

can anyone tell me if those 140HZ monitors are locked in at those resolutions because of g synch?

what im asking is if i can still set custom resolutions to push it to like 180 - 200HZ?

Currently have a i5 2500 + GTX 560.
Thinking of upgrading it to a i7 3770 + GTX 1060/RX 480 after the prices calm down, so I can keep the RAM and board, currently at 8GB 1333 MHz.
There are $80 used i7 on eBay.

Is it worth or should I wait ~1 year and buy a entire new Ryzen DDR4 build? Will the RAM affect the gayming FPS?

>>61411145
For $80 it seems like a decent upgrade plus you can sell your 2500 later.

>Dell P2317H
Is it good?
Any better options for 23"+ IPS monitor under 200$?

I have 2 options:
1 - Waiting for the mining meme to end and then buy a decent gpu at a fair price
2 - Get a new 1060 3GB or an used 970 (it's been used for the past 2 years as a secondary SLI gpu). The 970 would cost me less.

Will the 1060 3gb suffice for the next 3 years for 1080p 60fps gaming? Is it better than the 970 in every situation?

>>61411522
1060 is better but how much is it going to cost you?

Guys my R9 380 fried. I can get a 1060 6gb for 350 euros or a 580 4gb for 300. Is any one of the two worth it or should I ride this out with my 270X backup until the prices come to their senses?

>listed 4hrs ago
>"selling my rx580s, have been used for mining the last 3 months, will do a deal if you take them all"

It begins! He's still got them at 400AUD but it's a start!

>>61411648
Panic sellers won't last long so if you want one better get it now before the other miners buy them out

So... Ryzen 3 prices.
They're expecting the 1200 around $110, and the 1300X around $130.
How do y'all think this will affect the market, especially with Intel trying to neuter the G4560?

>>61411711
I've got a 1060 6GB so I'm pretty happy for now, at least until my new build where I'll go balls out for a 1080ti

>1060 somehow rising more in price than the rx580

should i just bite the bullet and get one of those when they get back in stock?

>>61411571
I live in Brazil, it will cost me 900 BRL, which is about 280 USD. On the other hand, the used gtx 970 would cost me 750 BRL which is around 235 usd.

I am not very computer literate, but recently I read up on quite a bit about PC parts so I could build my own PC since my old one is struggling with any games beyond LoL these days.

So I was originally gonna get a Ryzen 1600 build because I heard it performed not too much worse than the i5-7600K in gaming while allowing you to do more other tasks on the PC as well faster. However there was a sale for a i5-7600K and a LG1151 motherboard that saved me a decent buck so I decided on an impulse to order that instead. The build that I've ordered is an i5-7600K, GTX 1070, 512GB Samsung SSD M2, Corsair Hydro Series H60 water cooler, 16GB of 3000Mhz RAM, a 650W PSU (Bronze rated) and the ASUS Prime Z270-P.

While I've ordered it, the order has not been dealt with yet by the company so I still have some time to cancel if I wish, and I kind of got cold feet because I read about i5s being a poor choice over a R5 1600 or 1600X. It would cost me some 50 bucks extra to cancel and go with a Ryzen 1600X with a ASUS Prime B350-Plus motherboard instead. I got the money to do it no problem, but my question is, is it worth it? (Kind of got cold feet rn hearing all this great stuff about the Ryzen).

Also, water cooling yay or nay? Should I ditch it and go with an air cooler?

>>61411879
>250 Hue-Ice difference
That's quite a bit actually.

>>61411906
Just stick with what you go, chances are you wouldn't even notice any difference. Put that $50 towards a HDD.

>>61411908
Indeed, I'm asking here because I suck dicks and don't know how long can a well mantained gpu last. As I said, it's been used as a secondary SLI card for the past 2 years, it's in very good condition, it's cheap but still, it's a 2014 card. Can I expect it to game at FHD 60fps for the next 3 years or so? Is it better to expend the extra bucks on the 1060 3gb? Is it better to wait for the ethereum clusterfuck to end and get a rx 470 or 1060 6gb at a fair price?

>>61411906
As for Air vs water, just stick to air as I doubt you'll be OC just yet. Unless you get that in a bundle then by all means roll with it

>>61411950
It came bundled for a discount price yeah. I've heard that water colors tend to break after 2-3 years though, and I want a PC I can use for longer than that

>>61411968
They don't break after a few years that's FUD

>>61411906
Right now is the worst possible time to build a gayman pc because of the graphics card price spike.

>>61411949
If you can hold out, definitely go for the 1060 6GB; it'll last you on 1080p for a good 3-5yrs adjust settings as you go obviously. How much is R250 to you, in terms of "that's a weeks rent" or "that feeds me for a month" just so I can have an idea of scale
>>61411968
AIOs are fine, and corsair is some of the best (pretty sure they got a great warranty too). That PC will last you 3-5yrs easy. So go for it.

>>61412000
I know the timing sucks, but got it on a discount from the biggest PC online retailer which is rare for my country (Norway) where hardware prices have always been a bit steeper than elsewhere.

I could probably save a couple hundred bucks by waiting out the mining thing to blow over, but I am really really tired of this dual core pentium 3240 build with 8GB DDR3 ram running at 670MHz. The only good part of my build is that I got my R7 270 replaced with a RX 470 during a repair that I got for free under warranty from the same retail earlier this year. Might be able to earn a couple hundred bucks if I sell the RX 470 now (Only 3-4 months of use)