What am I in for? Will this make me get off my NEET lifestyle

>>61399089
Nope. Actually applying and interviewing for jobs is an entirely different ballgame than self learning python.

That book is really boring. The examples are all aimed at cubicle farmers.

you don't need any experience for an entry level prograing job.

I got hired with no experience. I was a math tutor before.

>>61399164
I hate you. The best I have gotten with entry level is maybe three interviews. I have tons of programming skills, self taught as well college learned.

>>61399164
what were you "programming"?

>>61399210
front end writing XML and some backend stuff (just bash mainly)

you may not consider it "real" programming but at the end of the day I am getting paid to write code so...

>>61399089
Its a poor book for beginners

I'd focus in on a field you want to go into and get something more focused

>>61399089
I guess it teaches some basics but then you get to the part where it wants you to use pyautogui and thats when you throw this book into the garabe can

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Some general advice

Anyone know a good source to learn python?

>>61401425
Refer to >>61401384

>>61401425
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html

>>61401384
That hit close to home

>>61399089
I'm going to give you an honest advice.

Don't learn from books that have flashy titles like this. They are, without fail, garbage.

Pay absolutely 0 attention to anyone who recommends books online. Most of the advice is people regurgitating the party line, some common book recs are so weird that I seriously don't understand how they could possibly be non ironic.

Learn from official documentation and from books with the most boring possible title. They aren't trying to sell you shit (most of the time), they just give you facts for you to process on your own (which gives you more intuition and cements the concepts better in your mind).


Or read these garbage books and join the hivemind circlejerk, your choice, really.

>>61399089
Good book for starters.

>>61399089
>>61399116
>>61399164
>>61399186
Enterprise code is very very different from the meme hackup that code junkies "design and implement" in "koding marathongs"

>>61401453
Thanks, looks more promising than any book.

What is the best way to learn code? I'm working in China as a translator and I hate my fucking life. I'm 26 years old and I really need to change my profession. If I start now and study hard would it be possible to work in 2/3 years?

I hate my life so much. What a fucking mistake I did...

>>61401944
Where in China? Maybe you could become one of those whites-for-hire?

>>61401944
If you don't fuck around you can be somewhere in even 3-5 months. I too hated my life just a half a year ago and decided to learn to code. I practiced Python 10 hours a day, every day for 3 months. I eventually got hired as a DevOps engineer.

>>61401473
>literally judging a book by its cover
nice

>>61399089
No it won't you sad fuck. Programming is about solving real world problems that Neets don't have. It's like learning a language you will never ever use. Seriously, become a mason or something. At least then homelessness won't be a problem for you when they finally decide that the toilet cleaning refugee offers more value socially and economically than autistic little shut-ins.

>>61402205
/thread

>>61402116
After reading many such books, I can make an association between the cover and the quality of the content.

If you had infinite time (and money, since you can't pirate every single book on libgen) you could read every single book on the topic, but you have to chose if you want a reasonable timeframe. My argument is that the quickest way to weed out bullshit books is to throw away anything with a flashy title.

How is my argument wrong?

>>61402205
>real world problems that Neets don't have
what are you on about? I have >100K SLOC just to help me learn moonrunes faster, from novel corpus analysis to a light novel focused ebook reader with anki and jisho integration.

>>61401473
I'll add to anon's post. The book you want to have is learning Python by Mark Lutz. It's massive, 1000+ pages, and explains about everything there is to the language. Just the language though. Follow up with Programming Python by the same author for useful real world programming skills. IMO, anything less will not get yin anywhere.

>>61402266
>both Python 2.7 and 3.3— the latest releases in the 3.X and 2.X lines—plus all other releases in common use today

Nice! Too often there's an obscure library I need for reverse engineering with no updates in 5 years and I have to throw shit at my monitor until my python3 code works on python2

>>61402247
>How is my argument wrong?
1. It is a good book for what it does. At worst, you could argue that >>61399135 but I hope he didn't really expect porn downloading automation.
2. There are other good books in flashy covers.
3. Some flashy covered books are actually considered good by /g/, not that I necessarily agree.
4. There are lots garbage books in scientifical or bland looking covers.
5. As someone who worked in the typesetting industry I can tell you that you can't judge books by cover, publisher or even series.

>>61402322
>It is a good book for what it does
We'll just disagree on this one: I don't think that particular book is that good.

>2. There are other good books in flashy covers.
This says nothing about how many good books there are per bad book in the set of flashy cover books.

>3. Some flashy covered books are actually considered good by /g/, not that I necessarily agree.
Let me quote myself:
>Most of the advice is people regurgitating the party line, some common book recs are so weird that I seriously don't understand how they could possibly be non ironic

Again, this is just my opinion, and my opinion is that I disagree with what most people recommend.

>4. There are lots garbage books in scientifical or bland looking covers.
Absolutely, just not as many, in my opinion.

>5. As someone who worked in the typesetting industry I can tell you that you can't judge books by cover, publisher or even series.
Again, I'm not saying I can tell you whether a book is good or not by reading the title, but I can tell you whether it's a good idea to invest time in it. You probably agree that a book called "become a python wizard in 3 hours" is not worth your time. I'm just arguing that even slightly more reasonable-looking books aren't worth your time.

>>61402247
downloading the book and taking 5 minutes to skim through it is a much more accurate to evaluate it. but first you have to stop seeing yourself as an intellectual superiour with magical powers

>>61402422
This makes sense when you are experienced, not when you never touched code like OP. Get that stick out your ass (actually, you probably like it).

>>61402266
is it beginner friendly though? can i pick up that book if i have 0 programming experience?

test

>>61399089
Yeah I wanna learn about how to automate some stuff. What kind of shit can you/ have already automated with python?

Also are other languages better if you want to automate some stuff? Why is python chosen in this regard?

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>>61399089
Not until you apply it to the economy

Get a job as helpdesk/servicedesk/IT instead. Programming is hard af

most i can do is batch and powershell scripts

https://hplgit.github.io/primer.html/doc/pub/half/book.pdf

This book is pretty good.

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>>61399089
As several anons have pointed out, this book is more geared toward the type of programming that helps people with boring clerical work. It would be perfect if you were at a temp agency being farmed out to a bunch of boring desk jobs. You could automate most of your job, then get paid to fuck around all day.

If you want a career as a programmer, you'll need more than just that. You'll want to learn how to build applications.

You need to start somewhere though, and this book is a fine starting point. You'll probably be able to use these skills no matter where you go because boring automatable tasks can be found in just about any job.

To get from basics like this book (and most other books), just build stupid stuff (doesn't have to have a point or be impressive) and go to any local programming meetup if your area has them. Look at job postings that seem interesting, and try to build things using the tools they are looking for.

Most of all, have fun with it! Programming is hard. Unless you're a masochist, the only way to get anywhere with it is to have fun. Sane people run away screaming after they get a taste of it. Good programmers lean into the insanity of software development.

>>61401384
>my life the post
I like the idea of doing something much more that actually doing it

>>61402502
Absolutely. Perhaps a bit too much even. Especially the beginning seems to go on and on too long if you're an experienced programmer. I highly recommend this book to everyone who's serious about python.

>>61401473
I was given this book by a friend (she got two copies by mistakr due to an amazon shipping error) and it is alright. Definitely better than that 'learn python the hard way' online tutorial. I already know python so I just skimmed through it.

Since you are dying to know how I learned python
>codecademy to learn syntax (just read thr docs)
>google python workshop, there is a youtube series if you search "python google"
>scientific computing course at uni
>personal stuff
in that order