Is this the new 2500k?

>>61381245
Zen right now is like Nehalem. Zen 2 will be the Sandy Bridge that will last for-fucking-ever.

>>61381407
This. Nehamels were also bad at OCing.

>>61381245
Not everything can be solved with more cores.
But a combination of 7nm, high as fuck clocks and just letting that weird neural network learn more about the programs might increase the single core performance of this slab of power quite a lot.
Getting the branch prediction performance higher is key for compression and emulators.

>>61381546
>Zen's branch prediction is so good it literally raped CPU-Z benchmark
Healthy kek.

>>61381567
There's is no branch real prediction when using cpu-z, they just load everything into the l2 and hammer the core, much like cinebench

>>61381245
I'm still using my 2500k, no fucking reason to upgrade as I don't really do much with my pc but shitpost online and play minecraft sometimes.

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>>61381603
You're starting to miss out on bretty gd tech anon.

You should consider a asrock deskmini 110 with a 7xxx cpu if that's all you do

>>61381628
Eh, if there's no reason to upgrade, I won't. At some point down the road, I'll probably build a hackintosh and turn this pc into a beefier server.

MOBO got struck by lightning and blew out the ethernet port 4 years ago and it's still somehow running just fine.

>>61381245
Developers focusing on multithreading requires developers to understand multithreading.
Multithreading opens up a can of worms involving synchronicity, shared memory spaces, and algorithm design.
Some problems are simply sequential. No amount of multithreading will save you from being bottlenecked by problems like that. Even if you find a problem that is parallelizable, Amdahl's Law will see to it that you find hardly any benefit towards doing so--for a fixed workload (video games, which I assume is the subject matter here), you will not see significant performance gains until the sequential portion of the algorithm is reduced to 10%.

Furthermore, you have to understand that developers just aren't that smart. The kind of developers who do shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YySDlC7NZg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTGTviYwolE
are in the extreme minority--they tend to have PhDs and such.

>>61381407
I remember old 950 nehalem pal. It was awesome but i got angry didnt get sandy. Anyway lasted a aeon, just didnt get sandy because i was nt going to pay for more mobos.

Anon says true, when AMD fix frequencies these will be the best.

>>61381883
I agree that some tasks will always be better on a single thread, for those tasks you can just designate a core for(You've got enough of them with threadripper)

>you have to understand that developers just aren't that smart.

Indeed, maybe this will take a few more generations for progress in this area.

>>61382369
I keep thinking on emulators not being able to take advantage of multicore etc.. but probably the can, specially with that new "enemy", the shader recompilation being a thing now due gamecube etc using pixel shaders.
I bet you can get a threadripper, give each core a shader to recompile and eliminate the hiccups.

Threadraper is shitting all over incuck. Good riddence to them rehashing P3 for the past 20 years.

>>61381883
>cawwadooty
>well optimated

didnt this piece of shit need like 16GB of ram

>>61383033
It didn;t need, just made use of.

Unused ram is wasted ram

>>61381245
That's a big CPU

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>>61383276

>>61381407
Zen 2 when?

>>61386434
Q4 2018 probably.

>>61381245
Lisa Su is my mom, Threadripper 3 will be the size of Nantucket.

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>>61381245
No.

Maybe Zen2 will be though. Right now I'm pretty sure a 2500K at 5GHz (max realistic OC of 2500K) still beats a Ryzen chip at 4GHz (max realistic OC of Ryzen) in single thread performance.

Gameshitters such as myself still rely on single-thread performance.

>'B-BUT MODERN GAMES USE MORE COARS'

Fuck you retard, I don't want to replace a 2011 CPU and get worse FPS in older titles, and no, a Ryzen chip wouldn't be 'good enough', some games are piss-poorly optimised.

>>61388397

It's already obsolete. Even when OCed to 5 GHz (which is really rare) you aren't going to see any single threaded advantage. And you can see it suffers greatly in games due to lack of HT.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2867-intel-i7-2600k-2017-benchmark-vs-7700k-1700-more/page-2

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2867-intel-i7-2600k-2017-benchmark-vs-7700k-1700-more/page-3

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>>61388484
Go play a game with an older engine like Source and see what happens. It's obsolete now for 2017 games, and will be really really really obsolete in a year or two, but not everyone plays 2017 games all of the time.

All I'm saying is, I don't think most people who are holding onto Sandy/Ivy platforms are willing to throw $400-500+ at a new CPU, motherboard and RAM for what is going to be in most cases zero performance improvement.

The GTA5 benchmark in your link proves my point. GTA5 is a fairly recent and pretty well optimised title, yet a 1700 OC and a 2500K at 4.5 (pretty standard) are near enough identical.

For people who care only about games there's still little reason to buy a Ryzen chip.

>>61381245
Only when they can reach at least 4.6 and when they iron out RAM compatibility. I hope zen2 delivers on that.

>>61388631
I'm still using Ivy Bridge with a 1080Ti.

You're retarded if you think it makes any sense to buy ANYTHING from AMD or Intel right now with what is coming out in the next year or so. You're also retarded if you think it's only a few games, literally every single game made before 2014 gives zero shits about RAM speeds, hyperthreading or more than 4 cores.

The simple fact of the matter is a CPU from 2011 is still perfectly serviceable, where-as a GPU from back then is not.

>>61388588
>For people who care only about games there's still little reason to buy a Ryzen chip.

You mean for people who only care about CS:GO, Arma 3, Dorf Fort, and shitty old plane sims there's still little reason to buy a Ryzen chip.

Nice extreme niche case. At this point Ryzen 7 is pulling close to even with a 7700k OC'd to 5ghz in modern games, and Ryzen is crushingly better at virtually all other computationally intensive workloads.

>>61388677
>Using your computer exclusively to play games made before 2014 and literally nothing else computationally intensive isn't a niche case.

What could this creature have intended to convey with such signals?

>>61388588
You're talking about an extreme niche use case where only a few "Pro" CS:GO players are going to need 480 FPS as opposed to 300 FPS. Like maybe 0.0001% of people who play the game.

>>61388699
That he also thinks EPYC is 4 desktop dies glued together.

>>61388588
>TOPKEK RYZEN ONLY GETS 8000 FPS WHEN JEWTEL GETS 10000 FPS
>NO GOY DO NOT LOOK AT PRODUCTIVITY, ONLY VIDEO GAMES MATTER
>NOW EJACULATE ON THIS DIE SO I CAN APPLY THIS CHIP'S HEATSPREADER

>>61381245
platform.
i'll settle for am4.

>>61386434
>JustWait™

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>>61388588

>>61388588
>low shadows
why?

>>61388725
Hello Pajeet!
Is EPYC 4 desktop dies glued together?

>>61381245
>Hear me out - AMD
Stopped reading there

>>61388726
Makes Intel's FPS go lower.

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>>61388699
>entire library of millions of PC games
>build a system with a Ryzen chip
>sneer and be like 'pfft I'm not playing old shit on my new CPU, I only play Rise of the Tomb Raider and Battlefield 1 now'

Literally kill yourself. I think the most recent game I've even played is Rising Storm 2 and pro-tip my 4.7ghz 3570K still isn't getting 100% CPU usage in that garbage.

>>61388716
Notice it's an AVERAGE in a binned benchmark, retard. CSGO runs like roasted shit, if you're playing the game seriously you need 200FPS minimum at all times.

>>61388725
What am I meant to be seeing here, that Ryzen still isn't as good as Intel?

So many mindless AMD shills on here, I want nu-/g/ to leave. I'm not spending $500 on new parts to get no noticeable improvement in my games you fucking shills, go fuck yourselves.

>>61388807
>playing the game seriously
>he takes video games seriously

lol oh wow.

>>61381407
i5 750 here I see no reason to upgrade yet but zen 2 looks promising

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>>61388725
Where the hell did you get these results and why are they so shit?

>>61388833
They might have benched a different part of the game, retard

It's really weird how people are now defending the fact that Intel CPU's are now only useful for one niche use case, games made before 2015. This isn't like Bulldozer where the single core performance was SO BAD that it was useless for gaming and about even in productivity to a quad core i7. The IPC is so close that the only limiting factor is clockspeed.

>>61388705
I think this bench is mainly always posted to just show relative performance, it's not about 480 vs 300 fps per se.

>>61388863
brand loyalty makes people do stupid shit.

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>>61388863
>games made before 2015
>>61388725
>prey
>battlefield 1
>GTA V
>Doom

>>61388807
Fuck off back to /v/.

>>61388822
>playing competitive shooter on brand new ryzen chip
>get fps drop in smoke
>die
>get mad and punch a hole in a wall

>playing competitive shooter on 6 year old intel chip
>enter smoke
>no fps drop
>don't get mad
>take a look at your wallet and notice 500 extra dollars

lol oh wow

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>>61388807
SEETHING :^)

>>61388890
>>61388903
So many asshurt AMD babies in here today that are butthurt people aren't willing to throw money away on shit that isn't beneficial to them :^)

>>61388890
>>61388898
>>61388903
Great counter-arguments guys.

>>61388898
How much longer are you going to shit up the board with this? The i7-7700K is the one with the FPS advantage, if you're still on Sandy Vag you'd want to upgrade to that, but you'd still be out $500 (probably more).

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>>61388898
>playing a competitive video game and giving two shits about the results

>>61388922
Yes I really care about the opinion of /v/ toddlers that treat their PCs like glorified game consoles.

>>61381245

There's literally no reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge if childish gaming is the only thing you use your computer for.

>>61388940
Notice that unless you're playing recent titles, 7700K and 2600K are practically the same fucking thing.

Perfect example even here, Niggerfield 1 came out in 2016 and yet a 2600K at 4.6 is within 10% of a 7700K at 5.1
>>61388833

I hope I don't need to explain that Source engine doesn't utilise the CPU as well as Frostbite.

>>61388962
>'DUDE BUY THIS FUCKING CPU RIGHT NOW EVEN THOUGH IT'S OBJECTIVELY WORSE THAN THE ONE YOU HAVE NOW FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR'

The stupidity of Ryzen shills is really quite impressive.

>>61388978
Except there is, I upgraded from my 2600k to a 6700k and the lag in many cpu intensive games was all but gone

Try playing planet coaster with 5000 guests in your park with a sandy bridge cpu

That said, it still outperforms many ryzen cpus

>>61381245
>shit overclocking
>lower single-thread than an OC'd 2500k
>$1000
>"the next 2500k"

>>61388978

>muh if it doesn't run on Linux it's childish meme

Kill yourself freetard

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>>61389002
>OBJECTIVELY WORSE
That's a funny way of saying "It beats Sandy Bridge even at stock"

>>61389031
>'look at these 30% improvements over a 8 year old platform in a game you don't play!'
Ok you convinced me, going to buy a Ryzen CPU right now.

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>>61389011
>lower single-thread than an OC'd 2500k
Objectively false.

>>61388898
What, in old games the 2500k is about even to Ryzen. If you're getting frame drops on Ryzen you'll get frame drops on Sandy Bridge. Even if you have a 7700K, the difference between the CS:GO benchmarks is a frametime difference of 1.17ms. That's equivalent to a drop from 60fps to 56fps, you would have to be extremely sensitive to notice such a small change.

>>61389011
made me reply
>buying 32 thread processors for muh single thread gaymen
not even true btw 2500k has garbage ipc

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>>61389055

>>61389066
c
>>61388588

>>61389055
>"Sandy Bridge is better at gaming than Ryzen"
>get proven wrong
>"Ryzen is only slightly better at gaming than Sandy Bridge!"
Keep moving those goalposts.

>>61381245
>For the next 10 years anyway
Given that you'll need to purchase another one after just a year, I don't think so

>>61389091
>'i-it's better in this one game so that must be an entirely representitive example of all games ever!'

I bet you're the kind of shitter to believe the 'Runs great on Intel i7 :^)' brandings on games like CoD WAW and RE5.

I'm honestly worried for my simple two core Pentium. At $50 & overclocked it can handle most anything pretty reliably, but nobody optimizes for dual core anymore.

>>61389088
Did you even read my post? the guy stated that Ryzen would get framedrops when the 2500K doesn't, that's false. And the 2nd part of my post is a direct response to >>61388588. WHen framerates are so high, huge FPS drops aren't as noticeable because the frametime difference is so low. The difference between 30fps and 60fps is 16.67ms, while the difference between 383.87 and 308.85fps is only 1.17ms.

>>61389136
>Did you even read my post?
No.

>>61389125
There's even been some vidya that can't run at all without changing some threads around manually because devs don't support it

>>61389125
Consoles use "8 cores," although it's Jaguar so you can call it 4 cores or 4 cores with 8 threads if you want. Why would devs optimize for dual cores anymore when i3's have been around since 2010 and KL Pentiums support hyperthreading? This is like the people on /v/ that whine about Overwatch being 64 bit only, like what kind of 3rd world country do you live in where you still have a Pentium 4?

>>61389195
G3258

>>61389212
Pentium Anniversary was pretty pointless even in 2014 and it's aged badly as games were already moving to 4 threads in 2013. People got excited for Skylake Pentium BIOS overclocking too, which was also stupid since you needed a more expensive Z170 mobo. You should just upgrade to Devil's Canyon.

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>>61388807
>>61388879
>>61389004
>>61389011

FYI, in more recent benchmarks with fast ram a 1700X at 4ghz is mostly in a dead heat with a 7700k at 5ghz paired with a 1080 Ti on modern games at 1080p and 1440p.

I just wanted to note this because people still often think about release benchmarks for Ryzen which don't take into account bios updates and patches for games.

>>61381407
fucking THIS

>>61389285
>more recent benchmarks
No, those benchmarks are from one week ago with all newest updates installed.

Stop talking bullshit when you don't even know what the source is.

In fact, the benchmarks you are showing are way older

>>61389395
Post the source of your benchmarks so we can find out why they show results materially different from what you get from an R7 with 3600mhz ram paired with a 1080 ti then.

>>61381245
I had my FX-8350 and got 1700 at launch. I can say this is accurate.

The next CPU I'll get is probably the the thing after Zen+

>>61381245
I had my FX-8350 and got 1700 at launch. I can say this is accurate.

The next CPU I'll get is probably the the thing after Zen+

>Intel forces mainstream consumers to stay with 4 core CPU's for 10 years straight with only minor clockspeed and IPC improvements each year
>no reason for this other than spite and their inferior manufacturing processes, 6 cores are locked on HEDT for a substantial price for both CPU and mobo
>people still defend this company
Intel has been purposely holding back the desktop PC market for ages, I don't understand why they have fanboys. Fuck Coffee Lake, Skylake should have had a 6 core i7 on mainstream from the start. People ask "why aren't games optimized for more than 4 threads?" Well, maybe it's because every 6 core besides the Phenom II X6 was ridiculously expensive and out of the reach of any gamer.

>>61381245 (OP)
I had my FX-8350 and got 1700 at launch. I can say this is accurate.

The next CPU I'll get is probably the the thing after Zen+

>>61381245 (OP)
I had my FX-8350 and got 1700 at launch. I can say this is accurate.

The next CPU I'll get is probably the the thing after Zen+

>>61389445
>>61389460
>>61389512
>>61389528
>>61389534
Pls stop

>>61381245
I have my FX-8350 (since 2013) and got 1700 at launch. I can say this is accurate.

The next CPU I'll get is the CPU after Zen+.

>>61381407
This zen2 / navi / 4k build will last 10 years easy.

Not to say zen is bad, but second gen is always the best because it irons out the kinks, is faster, and includes tech they didn't have time for the first gen.

>>61381245
If the actually build drivers that work, maybe. For now, no.

>>61389468
Here

https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/7449/11/amd-ryzen-5-1400-en-1600-review-bang-for-your-buck-gaming-benchmarks-gtx-1080-ti-prey

>>61390612
>Socket AM4
>16GB DDR4-2666

Oh look, it's another episode of gimp Ryzen with slow ram. I'm truly shocked to discover this.

>>61392521
The Intel cpu's were actualy ran with slower ram than the Ryzen cpu's , and still you are complaining about them being gimped

Top fucking kek

>>61386434
JUST WAIT PLEASE ZEN 2 WILL BE WORTH IT PLEASE

what the fuck how is that supposed to fit in my case

>>61381245
Does this mean my fx 8350 will be more relevant as more things start to become optimized for multiple cores

>>61393249
No, Bulldozer is still trash.

>>61392521
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsYOASddeo

>>61381407
I wasn't impressed by ryzen, hopefully zen 2 will be a worthwhile upgrade.

>>61393468
Because for all intends and purposes Ryzen1 is simply a byproduct of EPYC.

>>61393249
No, Bulldozer's problem was single core performance is so weak even in heavily multithreaded applications it still can only match the i7 2600k. FX will always be shit, it was never about optimization.

Big ass CPU

I'd suck that

>>61393249
Yes and no. FX CPUs now match there Sandy and Nehalem release counterparts but they wont got much further than that due to other bottlenecks in the arc.

>>61381245
Considering it's single core performance is worse than Intel's 6000 series? Fuck no you dumb cunt, also the 2500k didn't cost $1000.

>>61395173
>FX CPUs now match there Sandy and Nehalem release counterparts
Only in multithread, they still get raped by the 2500k in games. Even the frametimes are much worse than Sandy Bridge.

>>61393060
Except that RAM speed affects Ryzen more than Intel, due to how IF works. Also:
>benching cpus with subpar hardware
i shiggy diggy

>>61388588
ONLY 308 FPS?! HOLY SHIT THAT'S FUCKING UNPLAYABLE!!! I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT PLAY AT ANYTHING LESS THAN 500FPS AT LEAST!!!

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>>61395842
You are smalltime.

>>61395890
I have so many questions about just why this test was conducted.

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>>61388898
Are you retarded?
I play some HORRENDOUSLY optimized single core BS at a high competitive level (Invite/Premiership) on my R7 1700 and nothing you said ever happens.

Stop grasping at straws.
Anny competitive shooter worth a damn has mouse polling decoupled from frame rate and anny semi modern CPU can run source games at 144fps.

will Threadripper have PSP?
will Zen 2 have PSP?

>>61395956
>play competitive shooter
>try to GO PR0
>ruin life
>ruin hands
>commit suicide

Sasuga, 480 FPS.

http://archive.is/73wpj

>>61396011
Yes and what's wrong with PSP?

>>61395193
Consider that doesn't matter in 99% of cases TODAY?

>few % less ST
>+400% MT

I think we know who the stupid cunt is here, kiddo.

>>61396045
>and i lost all my friends sitting in the house playing games all through high school so i have nothing to do besides watch the game i love playing

ouch

>>61388827
Same here, i7-920, great processor, Zen looks good, maybe zen2, or maybe I'll just keep this processor for another few years
A ram slot isn't working on my mobo as of the last month, honestly the best reason I have to upgrade is to avoid it dying completely

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I don't really understand CPU's /g/.

Where does my i5 4670k 3.40 ghz stand compared to the current and upcoming CPU's?

Is it time for an upgrade or can i use this one for a while longer?

Using it with a GTX 1070 btw.

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>>61397096
No, you wait for Zen2 and then you upgrade. Current Ryzen is basically scraps from AMD's plan on getting that server money.

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>>61397096
See the abysmally low minimums on all the i5's? This will become increasingly more common as time goes on. They just hit 100% CPU and don't have anything left to give.

>>61397157
He can safely wait for Zen2 though.
Haswell is not THAT ancient.

>>61397157
So if i get an Intel CPU i should get an i7?

>>61397171
I've only ever used Intel CPU's, I am scared that AMD CPU's will cuck me if i'm using an Nvidia graphics card to make me buy an AMD card.

>>61397204
Yes, if you're upgrading to Intel, get an i7. AMD CPUs run fine with NVidia GPUs.

Right now it's budget = 1600/1600X, high end = i7-7700K.

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>>61396081
>higher-privilege processor that you do not control
>hides itself and its actions
>can take and hide data such as your history, keystrokes and encryption keys, etc

>what's wrong with PSP

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>starting at $900

who the fuck is gonna buy that?

>>61381407
Sounds about right.

>>61381421
They weren't as good as Sandy at it, but the second stepping (D0) was pretty good. As was Westmere-EP, which was built on the same node as Sandy.

Pain in the ass though. Extremely fickle boards that usually take a week of tuning to get to 4.2 ~ 4.5GHz. Sandy was SO much easier to get up there.

>>61381245
Goalpost moving going on in this thread.
"Uh no not 60 fps 200 Fps for all games, games are all that matter! and at 200+ frames!"

I'm on a 2600k, Motherboard is limited to 32 gigs max.
Want to switch to A type 1 hyper visor and run massive ram-disks for work.
2600k has no VT-D, 32 gigs is not enough to run "nearly" everything from ram-disks.

>>61381245
intel is priced out of the market in non twoer/laptops/smartphones soon and they dont even have 10nm chips

a company from tiawan is the only company who is making 10 nm chips. remember years ago intel promised every one 10 nm then said they couldnt do it because of instability then made up some bullshit about needing to shift away from silicon

well they can take their chips with female connections and find a nice home as a supplier for basic chip sets for rc helicopters i guess. im sure radio shack will be happy

>>61397440
Too much /v/ermin infesting this board lately.

>>61388397
>>61388588
>>61388725
>>61388740
>>61388807
>>61388879
>>61388898
>>61388922
>>61389002
>>61389055

Thread completely shit up by dipshits from /v/ that act like the only reason to own a PC is MUH VIDYA and mods did jack shit.

>>61397096
Your 4670k is going to be enough until your motherboard dies and you are forced to upgrade because you can't find a replacement motherboard of that socket.

If you are a gaymer and don't render shit 24/7, then there is literally no need to upgrade you CPU ever anymore.

Even 6 year old 2500ks (overclocked of course) perform neck and neck with all modern CPUs in virtually all games.

And CPUs aren't going to get much better than they are now, until some innovative new design/material comes about. Silicon and current designs are at their peak.

>>61397587

this, people need to chill out on the upgrades.

CPU is always overpowered for gaming, It's ridiculous.

>>61388397
Gaming performance is a lot better now than it was on release, have you actually checked recent benchmarks?

>>61388807
You really need your old games to run at 150 fps rather than 145 right!!!!

All on your 60Hz monitor.

Maybe with two 1080Tis in SLI you might finally even bottleneck your CPU!!!

>>61397647
Retard's long gone and he argued over and over that an i5-2500K is better than Ryzen, so you're wasting your time.

>>61397280
HEDT is not for you.

>>61381245
ThreadRipper v1 is the new Nehalem, except that AMD is guaranteeing forward socket/platform compatibility through Sandy/Ivy Bridge and maybe even Haswell.

I'm gonna get the 2nd tier 12c model (basically the 1600 non-X tier of the line for hopefully around $600) and upgrade in a few years to 24c 7nm Zen2/3.

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>>61397132
>image
what even is this intel confirmed btfo and bankrupt

Jesus Christ, I see loads of gaming benchmarks, I rather have benchmarks that show what type of performance I can get out of chip besides gaming.

>>61390612
>i3 is 15% slower offset than other benchmarks found on the CPU

Pretty much tells me everything I need to know about their methodology.

>>61395902
People in press believe that if you take away GPU as much as possible out of equation it will show CPUs performance.

Nice in theory, never showed to be reliable in history of man.

>>61381245
Thread ripper sort of looks like an old opteron.