/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>61370577
any x399 boards officially announced and with spec sheets?

>>61370604
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11505/asrock-demos-x399-threadripper-motherboards
Seems to be just this so far

I'm tired of fucking waiting should I go to microcenter today and get the open box 1060 6gb for $280 or a new 1070 for $520

>>61370630
>1070 $520
This is beyond overpriced, don't even consider it
Restocking for the Rxx series has started and ETC has dropped in price / enormously increased in difficutly so the future is looking good so far

>>61370609

You can find some info about Gigabyte's Auros board and Asus' Zenith board out there too, but that seems like it.

>>61370630

If you're going to pay over 500 you might as well just get a 1080

>>61370630
Fuck it, I'm going to get a EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW2 GAMING iCX it's only $570 after rebate

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>>61370650
i hope it won't explode on you

>>61370609
>>61370640
thanks

>>61370661
What should I improve? I'm getting a new cooler today too and RAM at microcenter

>>61370679
I don't know what you currently have so i can't tell.

I bought a 570 on preorder for close to MSRP just to sell it for 150€ more to minerfags when I get it in a month or so (amazon didn't specify a date).
It's the same one I want for my build so if prices drop I'll just keep it.

Did I do good?

>>61370735
Yes. Absolutely sell if prices remain inflated.

>>61370679
>>61370661

He's meming about the faulty VRM components on EVGA 1080 cards, which is related to a bad lot of capacitors or some shit from a supplier, which is why they can still explode after applying the cooling shit they send you.

>>61370735
>one month from now

Mining craze was ONLY crazy because ETH required the use of a graphics cards. Now that things are stabilizing, the second hand market for used graphics cards are going to boom at much *lower* costs than your jacked up *150* costs.

Unlikely you'll get what you want in a month from now.

Also, you're basically enabling miners. You just as bad as they are.

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>>61370577
Have anyone tried a PS3 or WiiU emulator with Ryzen? if so what's your cpu + gpu configuration?

>>61370810
You were talking about another guy, not me. Also, it's time to stop shitposting and get a job or something.

Hey, what do you think of my build?
Any recommendations?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dPw2Cy

>>61370821
This

>>61370787
Whatever, if that's the case I will just use it in my future build.

>You just as bad as they are.
I'm going to make money by actually selling a product.

>>61370882
I'm jealous

>>61370892
Fuck is wrong with you?

>>61370882
Thic solid tight build
Go for it

>>61370904
Spending round $2.7K, you should be :)

>>61370921
What's your old build? Gonna sell it?

>>61370882
Fuck, that's a lot of RAM.
I hope you are actually making use of that in VMs or something. You certainly won't see improvements in games.
The only things that could go higher would be maybe getting a 960 Pro for that MLC goodness, and a Titanium PSU, but it's over the top as it is.

>>61370933
I don't have a older pc.
I was a poorfag in the army with no computer until I got a fat paycheck.
Bought a laptop, ps4 pro with PSVR and now a gaming PC :)
Feeling good to finally have a bit of money (besides savings)

>>61370941
Yeah I need the ram for VMs (well, maybe to 32bg of it, but what the heck).
I'll look into getting the 960 pro and Titanium PSU, thanks bro

>>61370968
Indeed I was (and still for a little bit).
I figured my transfer to the superior PC world should be with the biggest bang I can afford.

>>61370957
Don't listen to the cucks, you're a truly a PC building hero.

>>61370882
What usage?

>>61370958
see >>61368536

>>61370993
Primarily gaming, but programming and RE as well.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JLMtTH

Thoughts? This is for Solidworks/Keyshot/Adobe and gaming.

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I have been aksing a few companies about Threadripper coolers.
Most just stay silent, however
Be Quiet says "no" and Deepcool says they'll have coolers at launch.

>>61370983
If that's the case you should consider a 6 or 8 core CPU, quad core cpu are bit old now.

If you can't afford it, consider 16 gb ram instead of 32 because it's useless, or cheaper m.2 and hdd disk's.

>>61371020
>mfw everyone is expecting Threadripper to be an abortion like Ryzen
kek
No wonder their stocks are plummeting

>>61371005
Go out of the basement for a while, get your dick sucked by someone who isn't your mom

>>61370969
Good Titanium PSU:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NN648d/seasonic-prime-750w-80-titanium-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-750td
PRIME Titanium among the best lines money can buy. 12 year warranty.
You could probably bump down to 650W and be well in the clear though.

>>61370969
If you are gonna use vms get more cores. Don't limit yourself to the gayming only cpu

>>61371020
noctua will have some, unfortunately doesn't look like there will be any with 2 towers

>>61371046
What?
Why?
Did you not want to know?

>>61370957
I moved from console too like 4 years ago. Never looked back. You won't regret it.

>>61371049
Yeah we saw those at Computex, so we know about those for certain.
In actuality I'm mainly interested in EK's reply.
Threadripper is happening in this office!

>>61370882
spend 30 more dollars on an ekwb A240G instead of the corsair aio junk and get a $700 card

>>61371047
I'll replace my PSU with that one. Thanks!

>>61370976
What's your beef with Intel? Did you get retrenched for a pajeet? Tsk tsk tsk. Clearly your skills were undesirable

fuck everything in canada is so expensive. paid 500 CAD for a R5 1600 + gaming 3 mobo. might drive down to the U.S. just to get that 250 USD microcenter deal on the same parts even if it's a 6 hour drive.

>>61371014
700w. You might aswell build a mining rig so you can sit on your as and just game. Fuck all those work programs

>>61371009
What's RE?
And programming what, using what software?

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>>61371068
No I do not
No I will not

>>61371020
Noctua showed two at computex

>>61371121
resident evil...?

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>>61371041

>>61371134
Why are you trying to shit up this thread and bump it when you know very well that i can create my thread after yours and still get all of the replies?
No one likes you and your garbage way of posting and you have no skill at advicing so you can't even maintain a thread on your own. Just give up man.

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>>61371142

>>61371138
Considering he said
>Primarily gaming
Beforehand and it didn't include the RE, it's probably something else

Cheapest I can find is:
g4560 €78
g4600 €93

Which one should I buy for an office pc?

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>>61370882
>>61371034
Oh yeah this guys right. For future proofing the i7 is gonna lag behind as games now are starting to move on to multi-threading(or whatever that things called) maybe look at a ryzen option around the same price

>>61371167
G4560. The g4600 just has a better iGPU but nothing relevant enough to justify the price difference.

85 posts
20 IPs

oh come on

>>61371121
Reverse Engineering.

Pretty much everything - python, ASM, C/CPP, Web.
Mostly using Visual Studio.

>>61371167
For basic office tasks you could get away with a Celeron.
But if you want the Pentium, go for the cheaper one.

>>61371172
Fuck off retard.

>>61371189
What software are you using for the reverse? For your usage an R7 1700 would be superior in any

>>61371005
The guy has money and a life, don't know much about computers, why does it bother you? let him buy what he wants faggot

If he can spent 3k on a computer it's not even wort discussing, stop shitting the thread you fucking manchild retard not everyone is a shill, I'm an AMD user myself you fucktard.

>>61371201
>For your usage an R7 1700 would be superior in any
in any way, but i know IDA has pretty specific instruction set requirements so it might not work out.

>>61371034
Will it be a good idea to go with the 6800K instead? Even though it's got a lower clock speed?

>>61371094
>Not purchasing via online options. Seriously all walk in stores jack up price 30% minimum. You fucked up. I'd honestly rather wait 2 weeks than to essentially assist in my own robbery

>>61371172
>Its a AMD shill starts a thread war because he is triggered episode

>>61371216
>fuck off you autistic loser, you start all these fucking 7700k threads, no one wants that shit but you keep shilling it, you aren't subtle
Notice how literally no one went to your thread except me to tell people to come back here instead, as absolutely no one is agreeing with you on removing the 7700k from the OP
You're the only one wanting this change, so fuck off. Everyone disagree with you so everyone will always go to the thread that has it instead. Fuck off to reddit if you don't like it.

>>61371097
What? Did you even read my post

>>61371226
6800k not only has lower clockspeed but also older architecture than Skylake-X. It's also on a dead platform, so you'd be better off going for an R5 1600(x), but considering he RE & programmation stuff an R7 1700 would again be the vastly superior choice.

>>61371257
>also older architecture than Skylake-X. I
Than Skylake*

>>61371226
No.
Depending on whether the applications you may use could use more than 8 threads, you should consider looking at a Ryzen 1700, though the gaming performance is less than the 7700K on balance. It's workload dependent, and only you know your use case.

>>61371177
>>61371195
A minor bump in clockspeed too right?
I said office pc but really a general use pc, just not gamling. Browsing, photo organising software and Plex media player, it shouldn't lag in this kind of software (firefox etc) right?

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Report shitposters and ignore them!

>>61371272
>it shouldn't lag in this kind of software
I can't answer that surely but i can tell you the difference between those two CPU will be 0, they really are the same. 100mhz on two cores does nothing at all, it's marginal at best.

>>61371272
Browsing and photos wouldn't be an issue for any Pentium.
I don't use Plex myself but if encoding is involved, every MHz counts, so it would be a reason to buy higher.

>>61371269
I'll mostly game on it.
I'm will not develop any big projects on it, so gaming will be the direction I'm building for.

>>61370577
>>i7 7700k - Only for 144hz
It should be: more expensive but faster option than the 1600

Fucking AMD shills on this board

>>61371304
Then I would stick with the 7700K.

>>61371304
If programming is really low priority and with a 1080ti then yeah a 7700k would be your best choice

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>>61371151
I truly wonder what his life is like
>>61371258
>did you even read my post?
>no because you have a jewish agenda
If you didn't read it then you shouldn't have a problem

>>61371324
It being faster is true, but there is no point in doing this if you do not have the hardware to take advantage of it. Without a 144hz screen and minimum a GTX 1070, it's a pure waste of money.

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>>61371341
AMD shills leave

>>61371284
>marginal at best
Should rather say fractional

>>61371354
Well then that is what the title should say, not 'only for 144 hz'

How many gigabytes should I have on an SSD for Windows 10?

>>61371362
That's a pretty impressive 1700x up top, especially when you can overclock a 1700 to the same frequency

>>61371380
There is a limit of characters and the current OP is very close to it. Adding a detailed explanation is impossible or would require removing other important lines. Current line says it should only be picked for 144hz which is the conclusion of the detailed explanation

>>61371284
>>61371302
Thanks. I'll get the g4560 with the jacked up prices.

>>61371383
W10 uses quite a lot, about 40GB~, so 120GB minimum. But i'm fairly sure there's not much if any model that are below 120GB.
Now if you're gonna have stuff other than Windows10 on there, then it completely depends on what.

Holy shit, I didn't think there was a more divided general than /div/ but you take the cake /pcbg/. You guys are still cool though.

>>61371359
The 7700K has better performance than an R7 1700 in gaming in general. There are only a couple of exceptions to this (Mankind Divided? iirc)

>>61371383
However much you want. I'm running Windows 10 off a 90GB SSD, with all programs installed, and I've still got 40GB left.
If you want to install games to your boot though, you should get a large one.

>>61371201
IDA, Windbg.

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>>61371390
It's below a 7600k, I wouldn't call that impressive
>>61371397
>day 1 benchmarks
Well here are benchmarks from a few days ago with all the latest drivers and BIOS updates.

Lets see where you move the goalpost to next little AMD shill

>>61371438
The ryzen 7 is future proof were as the i7 is going to be left in the dust with the new games that come out

>>61370882
Thanks everyone.
I'll stick to the 7700K, and replace the cooling, PSU and the EVO with a pro.

Thanks again!

>>61371480
Np.
Enjoy your PC.

>>61371437
/pcbg/ isn't divided by any mean, but some two weeks ago a guy started to come and became angry about the presence of the 7700k. Around the same time another guy came in and started calling anything positive toward AMD "shilling". It's just two guys but two guys is enough to make a thread look like shit. The rest of /pcbg/ has the same views and doesn't shitpost.

>>61371457
No, the 1700x @3.9GHz with 3466MHz ram is above a 4.7GHz 7600k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMEeMOfAhgo
I have this problem. What's causing it, and any way to fix? Card is way old, so no returns obvs.

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>>61371437
The divide you see is one shit poster

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Lads I got my 1600 to 3.8Ghz stable on stock cooling, is that any good?

>>61371478
That's a fair point. More cores will matter more in 2-4 years.
However, if we are projecting into the future, also worth remembering that APIs are moving the work to the GPU, so CPU performance is becoming irrelevant. Better to purchase a CPU that can push the frames now, when in the end, all CPU performance becomes a wash anyway.

>>61371489
>No, the 1700x @3.9GHz with 3466MHz ram is above a 4.7GHz 7600k.
It's also a heck of a lot more expensive, the same priced cpu's the 6700k and the 7700k trash it

I've never built a PC and have little knowledge on different brands or whatever. My friend made me this as a start to a build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dQFYGf
I'm trying to keep the budget ~$800, mainly to run things like Overwatch and for programming/CAD.

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>>61370641
Gotcha senpai got this for $549.99 it just came in today wasn't updated online as in stock. Sticker says $569.99 but it was $549.99

>>61371505
I have the same problem on a Dual-X 7950 (r9 280), at some very specific fan speed the fan rattles against the card's plastic or whatever material it is that is "protecting" the heatsink. This is probably because of the plastic bending because of the GPU sag.
Simply raising the card up fixes this (which supports the plastic bending theory). I'd recommend you buy a GPU riser that way you will never get GPU sag again and it would also fix that problem of yours.

>>61371514
What voltage though?

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>>61371484
>that benchmark doesn't c-count!
Everytime

>>61371226
Yes, They are pretty much identical, the 7700k is faster if you OC it but we are talking around 5% faster or 10% in SOME games, meanwhile the 6800k will always have better multicore performance and it's a "colder" chip. Games in the future are going to be multicore dependent.

People here are memeing the Ryzen chips which are cheaper and offer almost the same performance, the 8-core ryzen 1800x is only about 15% slower than than the 7700k OC but it has a far greater multi core performance so it's not a bad choice at all.

However if you have a best GPU like that then the CPU probably wont matter much, all your games will fly regardless. Having more cores is just better for future proofing and multi tasking (for now).

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>>61371552
To reality

>>61371528
No, it's not "heck of a lot more expensive" as you yourself said it's priced the same as a 6700k (it's in fact cheaper). The motherboards for it also quite a lot cheaper too so it compensate for the more expensive RAM. And no my friend, 107FPS instead of 110 is everything but "trash it". That's not even taking into account the massively better multi-threaded performance / extra room of the 1700, and the very fresh platform.

>>61371564
>>61371572

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I know that desktop Zen 2 and Zen 3 will still use Socket AM4, but are current chipsets compatible? Is it correct to assume that one can upgrade to say, a delicious Zen 3 in 2020 with just a BIOS update?

>>61371584
It is more expensive than the 7600k, and the same priced cpu's trash it, period

For gaming, it is the inferior choice, just face it

>>61371535
Get a cheaper 550w PSU and if you can find much cheaper memory (that will as a result be lower clocked) then do so. For the GPU minimum GTX 1050 ti but try to find an RX 470/570 around $170 if you can.

God this AMD is so fucking annoying

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>>61371595
No amount of evidence is going to convince a fanboy in denial, but I like posting it anyway

>>61371535
Get a better SSD
>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mPgPxr/a-data-ultimate-su800-128gb-25-solid-state-drive-asu800ss-128gt-c
You probably won't need 750W of power, and if you did, you wouldn't want a CXM supplying it. Drop the PSU to 450 (550W if you plan to upgrade GPU in future)
Get a 1050ti.

>>61371598
If 2% is "trashed" then i guess the 6700k is trashed by the 1% better 7700k
You have shit advicing skills you too

>>61371626
Running out of meme arguments little man?

>>61371523
I put my chips on 2-4 years of CPU use. But you've got me worried now. I thought I knew something. Anyways amd has been buddying up to a lot of gaming companies and intend to work closely in the developments. But I'm guessing that would just mean better work towards their GPUs. Anyways I don't think people need that killer i7 framerate anyways. I'm going with ryzen

>>61371631
>2%
>you and math
Take a look at the minimums again

>>61371633
Sure thing. Neither is a bad choice. Just depends on what you want.

>>61371639
Yeah lets throw in the 1800x, a 500+ cpu

>>61371269
>guy has 3k dollars to spent
>recommend midrange Ryzen 1700

Just stop... AMD and Intel shills can go fuck themselves both

>>61371640
Wow, 7 more average 0.1% FPS and 8 more average 1% FPS
Hardly relevant

>>61371656
Fuck off retard.

>>61371548
GPU sag? Nigga you saying GPUs over time can begin to sag because of the horizontal mobo placement? How common is this? Can it break/damage the card?

>>61371665
>it's 400
It's 500
>shitty stutterlake is 350

Shitty stutterlake beating the shit out of AMD's products

>>61371613
>>61371572
>>61371457

>>61371679
Stop shitting up the thread with your bizarre crusade against the 7700K please.
>>61371667
I'm not recommending one company over the other here. The guy said he was also doing professional work where more cores might matter, so I recommended the R7.

>>61371679
Fuck off moron

>>61371678
>Can it break/damage the card?
No
>GPUs over time can begin to sag because of the horizontal mobo placement?
They sag because of their weight + only the PCIe & a screw to the left holds them, so the right side ends up sagging. Just try holding your GPU up (without touching the fans of course) while it's doing the rattling noise.

>>61371672
>hurrdurr the differences are not relevant
>good goy just buy the inferior product for the money you spend, the differences aren't noticable at all anyway!

>>61371691
Well sorry then my bad, but the 1800x is the only choice for a 3k u$d build in that case.

>>61371710
From an objective point of view a 7700k/6700k is objectively much worse than an R7 1700
Now if you're talking gayming only then yeah a 1700 is inferior, but does locking yourself to a dead platform and does shit thermals justify a few FPS more that you will not see because of your screen and GPU being the bottleneck? Most of the case the answer is no.

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>>61371713
Nice cherrypicked benchmark faggit

>>61371611
>try and find a RX 470/570 for $170
What are miners?

>>61371667
He was considering a midrange 7700k in the first place so an R7 1700 is still a set-up over that in the softwares he uses
Don't bully the anon please

>>61371749
A dying breed

>>61371737
>From an objective point of view a 7700k/6700k is objectively much worse than an R7 1700
How is that objective?

It all depends on what you want to do with it.

Production related stuff: get Ryzen

Gaming: get Intel

Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fanboy

>>61371752
Yeah, I'm really rooting against AMD. Hence my unsolicited suggestion for a user to look at Ryzen over Kaby Lake.
You fell out of the idiot tree and hit every branch on the way down.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fpqzcc

Anything wrong with this besides the Mobo update ?

Is it good for playing most games at 1080p at 60 fps ? I'm okay with dropping settings.
The game I'm interested in and doubt being to play at 60 fps are Overwatch Doom and Nier Automata

>>61371755
Just taking into account the strengths of each CPU and looking at what the average (non-facebook machine) user does. The average user will benefit more from an R5 1600 than a 7700k.
>Gaming: get Intel
Again, no, the screen and GPU will be the bottleneck long before the CPU matters. 144hz gaming (so adequate screen and GPU): yes, get a 7700k (and nothing else so no "get intel" as others intel CPU are not adequate for it exception being the 6700k that is the exact same CPU)
But average gaming and a 7700k becomes a total waste of money

>>61371769
The housefire meme is funny.

I saw a thread of users trying to overclock Ryzen cpu's on /g/ the other day.

And many of them were hitting 75-80 degrees with abysmal clock speeds of 3.8, 3.9 ghz.

And that's with a fucking soldered heatsink.

Sure the 7700k gets hot, but at least you're getting fantastic speeds in return

>>61371753
>Don't bully the anon please
Stop I feel bad, I don't bully pepple

>>61371755
Depends of the resolution, there's practically no difference in 1440p or 4k gaming between Ryzen and Intel, it's just GPU bound.

>>61371783
Anon, can you read?

>>61371787
>The average user will benefit more from an R5 1600 than a 7700k.

Which is just wrong

The 7700k produces higher mins and averages at lower fps counts aswell, the delta is just smaller

If you're really tight on a budget, get Ryzen, else the 7700k is worth it.

Nothing much has changed in that regard, AMD is still the budget oriented brand while Intel offers the fastest at a hefty price premium

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>>61371607
Lol

>>61371819
>let me just pull a meme out of my ass so the hot temperatures and abysmal OC'ing of Ryzen cpu's don't matter teehee!

>>61371811
Anon, can you read ?

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>>61370577
What's a good ~$100 mid tower case that has a removable front dust screen without needing to take the side panels off?

>>61371820
>The 7700k produces higher mins and averages at lower fps counts aswel
Yeah, on test benches with only the game running. The average user has a tendency to like not closing the software he uses and he likes having a sizeable amount of stuff running in the background during his gaming so the more cores will benefit him in that regard.
Not to say you don't have to go the extra trouble of getting a good cooler with a good motherboard.

>>61370944
Anyone?

>>61371846
Uh, Define R5?

>>61371847
Stop already, unless you're streaming next to gaming the load of a few internet explorer tabs and Spotify running some music isn't going to affect gaming performance

>>61371783
Consider an R5 1600 over the i5 (or if pinching pennies, the 1400).
Upgrade to another identical stick of ram when possible for dual channel.
Consider a small boot SSD. Even 120GB will do.
Your PSU is garbage. Get this
>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nB3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze
If you are going mATX, consider an mATX case.

>>61371783
Nier automata is an abhorrent port with poor performance and glitches, so NO you will need more.

For now consider the 1060 gtx as bare minimum, the 1050ti is a shit meme card. There are some things you could improve too. I'll check it out

>>61371849
Stay mad you dafty

>>61371863
Maybe not now and it does depend on lot on what is running, what tabs and all. Regardless, in a few years the 7700k won't have much room left for background tasks the same way the i5 do (and didn't a few years ago). There's a reason why Intel is moving mainstream to 6 cores.

>>61371865
>(or if pinching pennies, the 1400).
A 1400 would be worse than an i5
A 1500x does make sense though

>>61371480
7700k is garbage

>>61371889
Fuck off retard.

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>>61371862
>yfw I actualy delidded my 6700k
>it now runs 49 degrees under heavy loads and 59 max under torture tests, with a 24/7 oc on all cores of 4.5 ghz and only 1,27v
>yfw Ryzen owners don't hav this option

Now what faggots, enjoy hitting your wall at 3,8-3,9 ghz with 80 degrees celcius.

At least you can unzip a file a couple of seconds faster though

>>61371794
>And many of them were hitting 75-80 degrees with abysmal clock speeds of 3.8, 3.9 ghz.
>And that's with a fucking soldered heatsink.
You're conveniently forgetting that it has twice the cores.

>>61371882
> Regardless, in a few years the 7700k won't have much room left for background tasks

That's a retarded assumption as the majority of users will still be on quad cores for the next 5 years

>>61371898
>A 1400 would be worse than an i5
But it has an upgrade path worth discussing.
Anyway, when paired with a 1050ti more CPU than a G4560 isn't going to matter.

>>61371925
>the majority of users will still be on quad cores for the next 5 years
Why does this matter exactly?
Do you think game developpers are going to just stop and not make game prettier & heavier just because some guys are on outdated hardware?

Didn't want to make a new thread but what's that program where you download a free trial of Photoshop or some other adobe products and it cracks it to become the full version and it's apparently better than downloading a torrent?

I once fell for the more core meme. It was real bad.

>>61371923
Which doesn't matter in gaming, and the lower core count Ryzen chips aren't doing any better in oc'ing either

>>61371938
adobe.snr.patch-painter
You download the Adobe Product through official way and use it afterward on the amtdlib.dll

>>61371937
>Why does this matter exactly?
It matters because developers don't have a big incentive to optimize for 6 core cpus or higher as it is a very small niche of their target market.

If you think they are going to output games that run like shit on quad core cpu's you are fucking retarded, they would only hurt their own sales

>>61371946
>Which doesn't matter in gaming
Why is it relevant????
The guy's point was about heat output during overclock & stress test. Yes, it runs hotter / as hot, but the reason for that is because it has twice the fucking core
During gaming i could set my R7 1700 to 4GHz on stock cooler and not care about temps because it wasn't at full load the same way it would be during a stress test
Your point is retarded

>>61371948
where to download?

>>61371970
It matters because you need faster cores to get the most out of games.

So Ryzen not hitting speeds over 4.0 ghz (and often not reaching even that) is a problem

So i have my eye on https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ARB5EBC/?tag=pcpapi-20 but I plan on using 2 3TB HDD's and a 300GB SSD. It says I might need an additional 3'5" drive bay, do you think I can manage without one? Can I make one in the case?

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>>61371590
I'm sure many more would like to know as well

>>61371936
Is the 1050ti that bad ?
I've done some research and it can run heavy games like GTA V and BF1 just fine.
>>61371872
I've heard about Nier Automata's poor port but I don't think a choice for the GPU/CPU, I was more worried about the PSU and HDD

>>61371960
>It matters because developers don't have a big incentive to optimize for 6 core cpus or higher as it is a very small niche of their target market.
That's a very stupid claim. Game developpers do not have any choice in this regard as their game become more intensive, they can't keep relying on 4 cores being enough because their games is too heavy for said 4 cores. That's why i5s get big frame drop in GTA V, Witcher 3, BF1, Watch Dogs 2: it's simply not enough. And no, Intel can't keep increasing the clock speed as they did the past years. No, they can't magically increase IPC either.
Once your game becomes too heavy you have no other choice than to optimise for the highest possible core count or it will run like shit on recent hardware and pin the threads to their maximum
It's not a "choice" AAA devs are making to optimise their stuff for more cores, they're forced to.

>If you think they are going to output games that run like shit on quad core cpu's you are fucking retarded, they would only hurt their own sales
Except it already happened, try any old i5 in the game i listed at the top of this post and enjoy your shit frametimes, enormously shit framedrops and shit average FPS. The shit frametimes & framedrops also happens on recent i5s.
Crysis sure as hell didn't get shit sales when it released, neither did GTA V that required an i5 minimum to run well.

>>61372019
We're talking about temperatures you idiot.

>>61372038
If it can fit inside with an additional bay it can fit without, but it would be sketchy as fuck and probably involve duct tape

>>61372043
>Game developpers do not have any choice in this regard as their game become more intensive
Confirmed for not knowing SHIT about game development.

Core utilization depends entirely on the programming you dumb fucking cunt.

But keep going with the 'it will be better in a few years' argument.

It's all that AMD fanboys have to hold on to.

In 2 years I will return and hear the exact same argument (just wait).

Meanwhile I will buy the product that is actualy best now

>>61372082
>>61372097
same fag. what the heck is your issue dude? im not even op but fucking shut the hell up.

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Thinking of going with this while I wait for TR on Zen2/Zen3. I will migrate just about every drive and the 970 to these new parts, don't think I'm grabbing Vega and will wait for midrange Navi instead. Anything you can tell about the parts? Any suggestions? RAM is unholy expensive, but that will probably stay that way for a while. I compile some software every day, so the extra cores will be a godsend. I could also get more into encoding since it takes forever on a 3570k.
I've been out of the loop when it comes to cases. Which ones have nice ventilation, decent acoustics, and can hold many drives? I'm currently on one SSD and four drives at the moment, but am looking into putting two more drives and leave it at that. Also, what do you do with your previous hardware? I'm thinking of just storing it since a 3570k pulls too much juice for a custom router and I would really like ECC for setting up a NAS with ZFS.

>>61372086
>Core utilization depends entirely on the programming you dumb fucking cunt.
Yeah, your point being?
You think they're going to let their games pin people's cores 1, 2, 3 & 4 to 100% and just ignore the rest?
You have pretty shit reading skills by the way and you might want to kill yourself.

>>61372140
Holy fuck I didn't read this thread before posting. Never mind, carry on with your shit.

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>>61372145
My point being, the chances of 8 thread cpu's running into any problems anytime soon are slim to none

ESPECIALLY since gaming resolutions will increase, further decreasing the load on the cpu to the GPU, faggit

>>61372042
The GPU is the most important part for games, then the CPU. The bechmarks you saw are probably using mid settings.

Why not the Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC, it cost 240$. This is the 3GB version, but I have an old Radeon with 1 GB and I can play most current games on ultra and high setting.

You can also buy a cheaper mini atx case and get a 450W PSU.

The HDD is questionable, do you need storage or you just want to play games and nothing else?

>>61372140
A Define R5 can hold 8 3.5 + 2x2.5, and has good airflow & decent soundproofing (although i wouldn't recommend putting any hard drive that vibrates a lot, as in 8+ years old one in there, as they will make the case vibrate and produce a buzzing noise

>>61371172
>I-i'm gonna exclude intel CPU's because im a retarded anti-semite xDDDD!!!!
kys retard

>>61372166
>what is posting on a seperate device.

when the fuck did I ever shill intel you retard? you're literally trying to bitch and complain about people not using your thread because someone else got to it first.

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>all those deleted posts
>his thread got 404'd

>>61372187
>My point being, the chances of 8 thread cpu's running into any problems anytime soon are slim to none
i7s currently sit around 70 - 80% usage in current and few years old games. They'll hit higher usage in the future and as such running software in the background will start to impact performance noticeably.

>ESPECIALLY since gaming resolutions will increase, further decreasing the load on the cpu to the GPU, faggit
That's the most stupid thing i've ever read. Why does resolution matter in CPU performance? An i5 will hit 100% at around 100 - 110FPS in BF1 regardless of GPU and resolution. You could do it in 4K with a 3080ti all you want, it'll still hit 100% and get horrible framedrops.

>>61371972
Search for adobe patch painter on google or go on a pirate bay mirror and search that in there, you'll find pretty fast.

>>61372230
>i7s currently sit around 70 - 80% usage
No they don't stfu already
>. They'll hit higher usage in the future
No they won't as people move to higher resolutions and the load decreases

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>>61372262

>>61372082
>>61372097
lol get fucking rekt.

>>61372244
>No they don't stfu already
"no u"
>No they won't as people move to higher resolutions and the load decreases
Do you think people are gonna play at 8k at 30 FPS in the future you massive idiot? People don't move up their resolution without moving up their GPU accordingly. The load on the CPU stays the same or becomes heavier because of high refresh-rate screens, and game become more intensive making the load become heavier regardless

>>61372244
>No they don't stfu already
Yes they do. In fact, in many games they hit 100% utilisation. Denying this would expose you as a brainless shill.

>No they won't as people move to higher resolutions and the load decreases
That isn't how it works, retard. Do you seriously think that increasing resolution actually lowers CPU load at any given framerate? The only reason it lowers CPU load is through lowering the framerate. As GPUs continue to get more and more powerful, the framerate increases again and so does the CPU load. A 1080 Ti can already produce the kind of framerates at 1440p that a 1080 manages at 1080p.

This thread is absolute cancer. Whether you guys are getting paid for this or are just complete tech-illiterates from /v/, please fuck off and create your own thread to fling shit at each other, rather than ruining this one.

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>>61372304
Its funny because he tried acting like this wasn't same fag but both posts got deleted along with all his others.

>>61372079
I'll assume the Z270i has a feature you can't find on a Ryzen chipset at that size/price (like wifi), but then why not get a regular ATX board for the case?
Drop Seagate

>>61372200
I'm okay with dropping settings on some games, as long as I get ~60fps with okay graphics I won't mind. I have to add another 1000 bucks in my currency (which is a lot) for another GPU.
I've changed the PSU to what another Anon reccommended but there's no way I'll get another case.
I have two other 1TB external HDDs and a 500GB laptop at home where I can story my media, I'll be using this PC mainly for games.

>>61372347
Because he's retarded.

He could get a mATX mobo and a wifi card for cheaper and it'll be easier to build with.

>>61372314
>yes they do
No they don't

I just tested it in Star Wars battlefront, at 1440p everything on ultra outputting well over 130 fps and the cores were around 40-50%.

But please, go ahead and tell me how this doesn't count or how your cherrypicked benchmark shows differently

>>61371535
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YNQHgL
Updated my list based on other anon's advice.
Any monitor recommendations?

>>61372366
The case and Motherboard are still compatible right ?
Because it's an mATX board and a ATX case

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>>61372387
Here is the screenshot

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>>61372347
First part is true, I was orginally going to go with ryzen, but what I use it for and what I needed didn't make sense. 7700k setup cost the same and had more what I needed.

z270i has better OC and higher memory clocks compared to its other version. Also it looks better, less empty ports and runs cooler. For a gaming setup there is no reason to get a big board with 75% open realestate.

>>61372381
>he's retarded
lol because you know everything right?

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GTX 1060 3GB > GTX 780 Ti 3GB > GTX 970 4GB

Is this correct?

>>61372476
780 ti > 970 otherwise yes the 1060 is above all three

>>61372496
ok I'm following various auctions, hopefully I manage to win this time.

>>61372366
An 240GB SSD would be very useful for you, the benefits are that you can boot anything 5 times faster, also you can install/compress/decompress 2 or 3 times faster. You will be surprised by how much time you can save. For example a very heavy stalker mod used to take 8 fucking minutes to load, now it takes 1 minute in my ssd, game also load screen faster.

By the way I only have a 120gb ssd and it was totally worth it, but I can't install many games on it so I need to rotate the games I'm currently playing.

Also, how much does the radeon rx470 cost in your country?

Is more than four cores necessary in 2017?

>>61372406
Ryzen shills need to lie to feel better about their Sandy-tier performance.

Hey guys I have a question. I found that its difficult to pick a good motherboard. What do I look at to get a good motyerboard under 200. I live in Canada

>>61372527
depends what you're doing, for a gaming machine 4 physical cores are fine, otherwise if you're into video editing you might need more, for example consider that encoding anime can take half the time if you got a couple extra cores to use.

>>61372545
Do not get msi at all. Anything else is pretty good. I went with asus myself because it had wifi/bluetooth, great oc and overall looks sleek.

>>61372556
So only weebs need moar cores. Got it.

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>>61372574
Whatever you choose as your reality, anon.

>>61372561
>>61372574

REEE why wont you guys understand the CPU doesn't run your games? if you want to play games start asking for a GPU stop being retarded

If the CPU is your looks then the GPU is like your Penis

>>61372510
Okay thanks I'll add a SDD to my list, and I'm actually planning to play the Stalker games too.

The RX470 costs around 2630 bucks for the MSI version, my KFA2 1050ti costs 2310, it isn't that much of a difference

>>61372613
Yeah and motherboard is the body

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>>61372613
>why wont you guys understand the CPU doesn't run your games?

>>61372574
Video editing includes many things, if you make youtube gameplays and need to respect a schedule for example, encoding time can be fatal.
Personally I'll stick with my i5 4460 as long as I don't need to replace the mobo, even for encoding anime it's great.

>>61372621
Anon that's interesting, look for 1050ti vs radeon rx 470 bechmarks, the radeon is literally better in every way.

If I were you, buy a -300 [currency] Case and get the radeon

>>61372613
>REEE why wont you guys understand the CPU doesn't run your games?

lol what, go play gtaiv and tell me how many fps you get maxed out at 1080p with a 1080ti and a shitty cpu.

>>61372527
No, more than 2c/4t isn't necessary. You can do anything on that, including playing most games in 60fps.

But yes, more cores is better. Better minimum framerates in games, and better performance in pretty much everything outside of games.

>>61371755
>Gaming, get intel

>Get shit like the i5 with 4 cores that will chug like shit in the future with multithreaded game workloads for 3 more FPS past 100 fps.

You are very smart.

>>61372685
Yes I've done that and I might get a RX470 but I'll keep the same setup since 300 is not that much.

Thanks for your help man you're great. Anything else that you want to recommend ?

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I feel odd thinking about buying a Pentium but it's better than my current build. I'll probably buy a 1060 once prices go down as well as another stick if ram. Mostly web browsing and some gaming with the heaviest being Modded Skyrim.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xcxB3F

Are all hdd's created equal pretty much? Need to add some storage, 3tb preferably.

>>61372200
The 3GB version is not the same as the 6 gig version. It's actually a slower card in every way. Better to get the 480/580, if you can find it for it's MSRP.

Should i buy a 120 gb SSD or another 8 gb of ram? I only have 8 gb of ram right now

>>61372821
Both.

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>>61372613
Not that guy, but at this point I would assume my GT 630 is the bottleneck and not the R5 1600.

is it a good idea to wear rubber gloves when touching your mobo?

rx 570 or rx 470 8gb or rx 470 4gb
considering the price difference is only about 30$

>>61372888
Nice trips.

I installed mine bare handed, wearing flip flops (because carpet) and occasionally grounding myself by touching something metal.
Came out fine, just don't rub a balloon on your head and touch it.

>>61372883
Not if one of the threads is pinned at 100%

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>>61372901
None, and unfortunately the GT 630 lacks Vulkan for RPCS3.

>>61372613
What is planet coaster? what is Cities skylines?

Any issues with my build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/newtopcs122/saved/ngFQ7P

I'm only concerned about the ram.

>>61373019
What is the purpose of the build? Media server?

Any Australians here?
Where do you source your parts?
Local stores seem like a complete rip off even after accounting for aud/usd change

>>61373046

MSY

>>61373041
1080p gaming

>>61373046
>i5
>in 2017
there is literally no reason to buy those, especially locked ones, when R5 1600 and such exit

>>61373114
"Consider" Ryzen
Get an ATX board
Get an ATX case
Consider dual channel memory (2x4GB for example)
Consider an SSD
Do not get a short GPU

>>61373127
Isn't Ryzen worse for gaming? Any recommend gpus? Was considering the 470.

I7 7700k or the i7 6850k

Both $300 right now

>>61373158
yes it is, but it makes up for it in other areas. If you you're building a pc just for gaming then go intel, if you do a ton of other weeb youtube shit because youre a pro video maker than go amd

>>61372949
Over priced crap

>>61373198
Ok thanks. How much better nia Ryzen for multitasking??

>>61373200
>tfw i got planet coaster for free during the summer sale and from steam threads
I agree it isn't worth $40 but its pretty fun game.

>>61373200
>>61373231
It's price and subjective quality also have no bearing on it being CPU/GPU limited.

>>61373114

Go Intel. Budget Ryzen is a gimmick unless for some reason you need those five extra instances of photoshop open in the background while streaming to your five fans on twitch.

>>61373226
just youtube that yourself. most information is from benchmarks but for minor tasks daily tasks you wouldn't ever see the benefits. Atleast you won't here in 2017, cant say much about the future.

>>61373124
i5 is still better for emulation than the R5, that's a reason. Sure, R5 will run native windows pc games better.

>>61373184
The i7 6850k renders only 5% less fps in general games but it has 20% better multi core performance, it will be better with future games than the 7700k.

But if both are the same price, then the 6850k no question.

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Just picked up the 1080 strix and a cooler master cpu fan and a 650w supply like 2 hours ago. r8

>>61373301
looks like shit job

>>61373344
I just wanted to get everything running, cable management later

>>61373184
Usage pls

>>61373351
>later
Looks like you never started

>>61373271
Ok cool 6850k is on sale at microcenter. Guess I'll make a trip. Any specific mobo I should look for?

off the top of your head which RAM for Ryzen5?

>>61373423
Dual Channel 3000MHz+ in A-XMP

>>61371049
Noctua will likely just release a secufirm adapter for TR4.

>building PC
>now

Useless crap thread, because right now you cannot get a GPU.

The miners from Asia directly buy from the manufactures before they even ship it by just simply paying a hefty increased price.

>>61373449
Doubt it, that thing is massively wide, the heatsink would only partially make contact with it. You need specific coolers for those.

>>61373460
3/4GB cards are already DOA for eth.
buy used.

>>61373460
Just use your previous GPU and wait

>>61373301
>>61373351
Anytime I built a pc cable management happened during to save time and hassle. You literally have to unplug everything and start from the beginning the way you do it. Thats just pointless.

Should I risk buying some used motherboard from Amazon?

>>61373462
It's only wide for EPYC.
We don't know the die locations for Threadripper yet, but it's fairly obvious we aren't going to have 4 dies with 2 disabled - so it's likely TR has a different package with 2 dies closer to the center.

>>61373497
Never buy a used motherboard

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>>61373499
>It's only wide for EPYC.
No, pic related

>>61373513
Oh well. Aight.

>>61373486
I wanted to make sure the components work, don't mind going back over the cabling.

>>61373513
How do I get a new 1155 mobo

>>61373407
Try to look for any known brand ASUS, Asrock, Gigabyte X99 for under 170$ or 200$ the ones with only 4 ram slots, I forgot the motherboards are bit expensive, but they are full of gimmicks so just get something affordable. All x99 boards support OC.

>>61373465
>buy used

Still overpriced and you don't even know whether the card was used for mining, which means 24h/day utilization.

>>61373469

>wait

The situation won't get better until next year the earliest.

And then new crypto currencies will occur once ETH dries up.

Only way to solve this problem is through manufactures.
However they couldn't give less of a fuck, actually they are very happy selling those cards for 30%+ more than usual.

>>61373513
I just sold an am3+ mobo, fx-4130, and 8gb of ram to a guy on craigslist for $130

>>61373588
then you do a dry bench without installing everything into the case

>but it's already built
Should have disassembled it first.

>>61373602
CL is the way to go, I usually try to sell my shit on there. Just meet in a public place and/or have a gun and you should be good

>>61373588
just use a pci-e riser cable, no need to seat the gpu

>>61373513
*sells used motherboard*

>>61373683
What did I fucking tell you.

Get in the corner, you are in timeout.

>parts arriving Saturday
>case Wednesday
>still no GPU
>regret sinking in

What do

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>>61373571
I mean the socket itself is only wide for the purpose of supporting Epyc (it's just as wide for TR obviously, but it doesn't actually need to have the dies spread out since it's unlikely to be 4 dies)
As I also stated, it's unlikely that Threadripper will actually have 4 dies with 2 disabled (it will very likely be a 2 die part)
See pic related.

If TR is laid out like 1 or 2 (just reusing EPYC packaging but with less dies) then it's unlikely that Noctua and co could just make a socket adapter.
But if it's laid out like 3 (which is more likely, considering the different packaging costs are minimal) then Noctua and co should be A-OK.

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>>61373729
>>61373571
Shit wrong picture, that was the unedited version.

>>61373721
Hopefully you weren't retarded and bought a ryzen that doesn't have any integrated graphics so you are still able to use your pc

>>61373729
The IHS will still be wide as fuck so not having an appropriate cooler base would be pretty shit

>>61373721
See how fast you can decompress a zip file

>>61373750
That's literally a non-issue though.

>>61373772
You're a non-issue.

>>61373777
I know :)

>>61373721
>ordered a 1050 (not ti, $95 after rebate with rocket league)
>won't arrive until monday at the soonest
>using my GT 630 until then

>>61373795
Why would you get a non ti when you can get the ti for that same price

>>61373721
I had this issue. I was originally going to go with a gigabyte mb and gpu but in the amount of time, the card i wanted sold out and the cheapest one was $850 and wait time was at least 2 weeks. Ended up going with asus mb and gpu and I don't regret it.

>>61373806
Elaborate?

Also I know it's a weird justification but coming from a GT 630, anything will be an improvement.
I'm kinda-sorta leaving an upgrade gap so this can carry me for a while with my low standards, and a GTX 1060 doubles the bench score.

>>61373301
Corsair 200r? Kinda sucks for cable management imo.

>>61373891
230T

>>61373849
This explanation might be confusing. I'm not "intentionally" picking a performance gap at a potentially worse value.

I do not plan on upgrading from the 1050 soon, and I do want rocket league. I'd be satisfied with the performance of a 1050 over a GT 630 any day, and I believe it would increase the value of an upgrade to a 1060 or higher later if/when I need it.

>>61373849
Dude, the 1050Ti is a few bucks more and 4GB instead of 2

>>61373968
Where? The one I bought was $120 with $25 rebate.

>>61374002
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126172

Would striping two smaller SSDs be better than buying a larger SSD if I can get roughly the same amount of space for a similar price?

How much of a difference does RAM speed even make anyways? I want to buy an entry level workstation rig but I'm tight on cash right now so I'm thinking about just buying 8 GB RAM now and adding 8 more later, but most of the RAM I find that's 3000 or 3200 mHz only comes in 2x8 configuration and not 1x8. The highest I can find in 1x8 is 2666 mHz.

Going to get either Ryzen 3 or 5 and use the PC for
Lightroom, Premiere, some light Photoshopping, Ableton Live and some gaming but I don't really give a shit about the gaming performance as long as it's good enough.

I can buy a i7 3770 used from ebay for USD 50~80, is it worth it?

It's going to replace my old i5 2500, already got RAM and board.
Pairing it up with a GTX 1060 6GB as I feel my i5 is bottlenecking her, will the i7 allow her to run freely?

Either this or wait 1 year to save for a entire new Ryzen build.

>>61374038
$155 (shipping incl.) after rebate, vs $95 after rebate?

I asked a similar question last night (I had a 1050ti back ordered on amazon for $142) and it boiled down to "what games do I play?" Coming from a 1GB GT 630, I think the regular 1050 will be sufficient.

>>61373407
btw are you sure the 6850k is $300? that sounds fishy, this is a $600 cpu and I've seen it on $475 at minimum.

I think you saw a 6800k which it's still good.

>>61374120
https://www.dealighted.com/main/page/comment/Intel_i7_6850K_300_at_Micro_Center_10357908

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xcxB3F

>>61374107
3770 will work just fine.
Just make sure your board supports it by checking the manufacturers site and downloading BIOS updates.

In over a year or so AMD should release Zen 2 with most likely better IPC and clocks so 3770 will last you till then.

So how future proof is the AM4 socket?

Asrock Fatal1ty H97 Performance

or

Asrock Z87 Extreme3?

>>61374244
The best in that regard right now, considering CPUs will release onto it until end of 2019 so probably Zen2 and Zen3

>>61374107
If you manage to sell your old 2500k it may be worth it, you will notice some difference, not mind blowing. Maybe 5% to 15% more fps at best

>>61374157
Thanks going to the store to buy it :^)

>>61374207
Thanks.

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MSI B350 now supports my RAM at 3000mhz

thank you based MSI

>>61374366
msi is horrible and you should feel bad

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>>61374386
NOT FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS

>>61374260
That first Asrock is a cold stone k1lla dude, very cool man. It also boast his performance by a non extreme letter like H but a very high number 97, sorry I went a bit nerd there.

On the other hand the Extreme card is just frikin extreme dude, like the only thing I can thin' beating this baby is an Ultimate motherboard with an X99 or somethin

>>61370577
I decided to get a gtx 1080. How do I go about picking a specific one? I want it to be reasonably quiet.

EVGA 08G-P4-6284-KR
and
Zotac ZT-P10800C-10P

seem nice, with low price, big fans and good reviews. But between them? The Zotac card has a slightly higher clock and power usage. Should that be what determines it, or is there other information I should know?

Are most emulators still all about IPC?
Would the G4560 be the best budget choice for general gaming/emulation?

>>61374551
Just look for a quiet case with sound dampening, it mustn't have fan openings in the sides.

>>61374518
Very helpful. Today I managed to get a similar response to 2 completely different questions. Dunno how.

>>61374593
AVX is disabled on pentium and you need AVX for emulation. So best bet is to wait for Ryzen 3 (launching this month) or buy I3.

>>61374551
fanstop. i think the STRIX has it.

Also is it bad if my CPU package gets to 60degrees C on an AIO?

>>61374634
Anon I couldn't have been more clear, the Z87 chip supports OC, the H97 doesn't. The the one you need, that's literally what I said

How is this build? My budget is $750-850. In USA

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Thesoulian/saved/PDQrHx

>>61374793
Sorry, forgot to mention, I will mostly be using this for gaming.

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>Sell my 480 for $500
>Buy a used in box 1070 for $424 on craigslist
Why shouldn't I.

>>61374846
Sell graphics card right now and buy another mid range card when the HYPE dies

>>61373301
That PSU is pretty disappointing in terms of RGB. I bought the thing thinking I could match it with the orange on my Strix since they tote it as having a million colors, but in realty you only get red, blue, green, an icy white, and an RGB cycle.

>>61370882
Please don't use it for playing Minecraft

>>61374869
>when the HYPE dies
not him but, when will the hype actually die?

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>>61374924
Never ever

>>61374793
That looks okay.

Unless you really need 16gb ram, maybe you should get 8gb 3200mhz instead, or even 4x3=12GB 3200mhz. The only thing I can think using more than 8gb are very big mods.

I assume you can't get a rx 470 for a good price.

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>>61374998

>>61374295
I'm only willing to replace it because when I was young and stupid I bought a 2500k on a H61 chipset, which can't OC it. Otherwise I'd raise it to around 4 GHz and stay with it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8WQHgL
The GPU I was originally going to buy sold out, what would be a good replacement? Trying to keep this build around $1.1k

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>>61374551
Just bought the 1080 strix one today for $549.99, it is incredibly quiet.

>>61375038
At this price you should just copy >>61374793 but add a gtx1070

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>bee me
>finally get paypal
>decide it's time to upgrade
>check online stores
>everything is expensive
>check auctions
>everything is bid too high
>tfw can't buy anything even though I finally have paypal