Is 4chan run by commies?

>certains sites cost more for the ISP to deliver to you
>but no fuck the businesses just make everything the same price xd

>i want corporations to fuck my ass and suck emperor grandpa cock bu-but at least i am not a KEK!

>>61338461
What sites cost the most for ISPs for deliver?

>>61338415
you're fucking retarded if you think Trump supports this

>>61338415
I don't get, how can't you see that trump supporters are massive cucks is beyond me.

>>61338461
>>certains sites cost more for the ISP to deliver to you
>>but no fuck the businesses just make everything the same price xd

this has nothing to do with net neutrality

>>61338495
netflix

>>61338495
Nice English there, shill.

it's sad because of such low information on the subject we are infinitely more likely to get blocked from 4chan due to the repercussions of network neutrality.

Trump is one of ((((them))))

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>>61338415

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>>61338415
>BASED BLUMF WE DID IT REDDIT WE GOT HIM ELECTED

Glad to see /pol/tards getting what they deserve. Finally people will understand that not vote with based Hilldog was a mistake.

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>>61338415
Hiroshimoot is going to lost all the traffic from USA because he banned all the VPNs

>>61338556
>TPP is better than this
average shillarydrone reasoning.

>>61338567
good
amerisharts are a tainted with idiocy

All this mental gymnastics Boogeyman bullshit has pierced the last vestige of the illusion. /g/ isn't full of rational, autistically focused tech buffs. It's just a collection of sad little people trying to act superior.

If you don't want to protect the internet from corporations and the government, then go neck yourself. Title II is an excellent first step, and your slippery slope fallacy that it will lead to more government oversight is baseless.

>>61338546
h-h-hitler...

>>61338567
A 4chan without American posters?

SIGN ME UP

>>61338567
And /pol/ will be dead. Good riddance.

It's insane that we are still fighting this shit.

Net neutrality is important to me because the internet, as it exists today, is important to me. While the issue is much bigger than just one website, I believe reddit has always and will always fully personify the internet as a whole -- and here is how I feel about reddit:

I love reddit. I love its infrastructure. I love its ability to impact. I love its versatility. I love its intelligence. I love its silliness. I love how it represents the entire world from every walk of life. I love its mascot. I love the popcorn drama. I love its recurring characters. I love its photoshop battles. I love how it's constant. I love how it personifies the internet age. I love the fact that it is a vehicle that allows anyone on Earth the ability to share something with potentially the entire rest of the world. I love how every person is created equal when using that vehicle, regardless of age, race, gender, IQ or wealth. I love how a lot of these attributes could be said about the internet as a whole, but arguably not without reddit. I love when a recovered heroin addict mails life saving medication to people in need via /r/opiates. I love when a guy writes a story on his lunch break in response to a question on /r/askreddit which ultimately turns into a screenplay bought by Warner Bros. I love when a guy gets help in /r/favors from a stranger to write and revise his speech to a court judge in order to reduce his sentence, and later scores a job drawing and designing at reddit hq after he gets out 7 and a half years early. I love the armies of warmhearted people in /r/suicidewatch and the like who spend their free time trying and often succeeding in saving lives. I love the incredibly talented and witty users of /r/nfl, /r/nba, /r/baseball and more -- you are literally changing the landscape of professional sports. I love "France is Bacon." I love "today you, tomorrow me." I love "risk everything." I love reddit.

>>61338633
It will still be there, just filled with euro-cucks bragging about how many "refugees" their wives, sisters, mothers, etc have had sex/rape with so far that day.

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>the petition site that's linked is run by Democrat super pacs

wtf

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>>61338666
>the absolute state of the amerilard mind, home of nigger culture

>>61338665
reddit does sound p good in this post tbqh, providing you've never been to any other sites on the internet

>>61338567
only oldfags use VPN's.

It all about the RFC-1149 Avian Tunneling protocol.

Ultimate way to mask your IP, the only difficulty is in proper implementation of the protocol
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149

>>61338546
the alt right cucks must have feel so complicated after seeing this picture.

>>61338703
>only oldfags use VPN's.
Ah, so you're a summerfag. I see.

>>61338746
no, ive simply upgraded to a more secure protocol

>>61338546
>BWAAAAA

>>61338497
are you serious?

>>61338415
Because the whole of 4chan is mesmerised by his epheminate tweets of rage whilst the internet strip's him and his buisness partners naked.

https://cryptome.org/2017/05/bayrock-406.pdf

You know what Racketeering and Wire Fraud is right?

>>61338415
Anyone who is unironically against net neutrality is the most communist cucks of them all
You're basically saying you don't care that the corporations that run our country can now actively control and censor information.
In a healthy capitalism, you'd want to create more competition rather than stifle it.

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>>61338556
Donald Trump won because Bernie Sanders lost (thanks to the DNC, ugh) and Hillary Clinton was nowhere near likable. Remember that.

>>61338865
Internet should not have rules. Period. There's zero reason to regulate it. If you like rules, then stop using the internet.

only way i would be fine with this shit would be if they also got rid of government sanctioned monopolies/duopolies. but since the companies and the government colluded to give us this shitshow of a situation, fuck 'em.

>>61338758
What does that have to do with attempting to use "oldfag" as an insult.

Are you a newfag and proud?

>>61338461
>>certains sites cost more for the ISP to deliver to you
This is plain wrong.

>>61339011
you think energy is free?

>>61339041
Sun's energy is free.

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Can someone fucking breakdown net neutrality please
I keep hearing about it but nobody explains it

>>61338461
But the ISP must server their clients with internet access, not the sites with their clients.
If I use 100MB of data, for the ISP it doesn't matter if I used it for netflix or 4chan or porn sites or video games. I understand if they want to charge more for bandwidth, but not for the usage of my bandwidth.
Why do I have to pay for specific sites or why do site owners have to pay for unthrottled access? It's just bits over a transmission channel.

>>61339072
It forces ISPs to treat all traffic equally. So, for example, Spotify can't have a faster lane than any other web service of web site. It also forbids your ISP from blocking/charging for services that do not benefit them (for example, Comcast charging extra because you use Netflix).

How shills translate the above to "give government control of the internet" is beyond me.

>>61339125
Somehow rest of the world works without such legislation.

>>61339271
False.

>>61338415
>net neutrality
>anti trump
Can you go suck a dick already?

>>61339271
Somehow the rest of the world already has it.

>>61338685
The Republicans never side with the little man against corporate greed, so it's not really surprising.

>>61338461
Can't be treating those legally supported monopolies unfairly now, can we?

>>61338685
Those aren't political action committees, they're advocacy groups. PACs are for promoting candidates, these are very specifically for promoting policy points regarding internet. Not even arms of the Democratic party, in this case, since they've been outright opposed to institutional Democratic agendas.

It's like if they could somehow determine what you use your tap water for, and depending on that they charge you different rates. If you drink water it's 10 cents a gallon, but if you are showering its 2 cents a gallon. Sounds fucking retarded right? So why should the ISP care if I use data to browse 4chan or if I use it to browse xfinity.com?

>>61338665
Great post. in the same way you are cherry-picking the normiest parts of Reddit, the cheesy liberal bullshit, I could easily judge all of 4chan as "WE ARE LEGION" and /b/tards. There are a lot of quality subreddits, just stay away from the front page. I currently have 97 subreddits blocked, and it's an entirely different world.

>>61339063
Not for long, goyim.

>>61338890
THAT
OLD
MAN
COULD
NEVER
WIN

This is why it is important for us to have an /fglt/ thread with the communist flag on it, but we never can because /g/ spergs out over it every single time we start such thread.

Trump doesn't like net neutrality, therefore alt-right nu-4chan doesn't like net neutrality, It's really that simple. Something something John Podesta, something liberal propaganda, government regulation, something Hilary lost, get over it, TWO SCOOPS, c uck. Welcome to hell.

Yes, 4chan is run by communists. Please leave now. Maybe you will find your hugbox with hugbox moderators elsewhere.

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>i love corporatins fucking me hard, cunsomer is last corporation are always right!!!!

right is so fucking cucked now

>>61339532
>these are the subhuman Trumpet niggers that post with you
Fucking disgusting. I hope you'll cowards end up sucking cock for heroin.

>>61338921
Why?

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>>61338415
>When political positions are defined by whether the guy you voted for likes it, rather than if you like it.

>>61338665
>the internet, as it exists today, is important to me
you mean the internet the internet that grew into what it is today without government intervention?

>>61339577
>cp

>>61338415
Is the first amendment communist?

>>61338495
Netflix. YouTube. Any other video service. Spotify. 10Gb transit costs more than 1Gb transit - who knew?

>>61339674
won't anyone think of the ISPs?

>>61339619
Context. Last year here in Canada, we had a major provider that tried to get away with this bullshit until the government intervened. The internet was doing fine without that kind of regulation, until it wasn't.

>>61339674
ISPs can already account for bandwidth costs in plans. Data caps have been around for years.
Not at all related to accessing the website. A packet is a packet.

>>61339717
Packets have feelings, too!

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>right side actually wants to control people's live just like what left side does

>>61339478
>57% approval rating is lower than 32.9% approval rating if i say it in full caps with each word on its own line

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Seeing that banner made my day, things never really change, one edgy containment board notwithstanding

>>61338461
A Gbps is a Gbps, it comes from the same backbone regardless of the site. You have to be trolling.

>>61339733
It's big ISPs who push for ani net neutrality. Obviously, by funding politicians and political organizations to get it implemented.

>>61339809
you've got big companies on both sides of this argument, we non-company plebs are stuck in the middle.

>>61339764
I think you all should drop statistics at this point. Many statistics were against Trump and he still won. So yeah.

>>61339072
https://www.eff.org/issues/net-neutrality

>>61339510
Fuck off Berncuck, your candidate endorsed that fucking psychopath who supports TPP, you would go to prison next time you posted a smuganimegirl.jpg on here if TPP had won.
If you still support Bernie, you should seriously kill yourself, you'll make a favor to the world.

>>61339894
Statistics *never* lie. They really can't because they are just aggregation of data.
What you should be careful about are people who interpret the statistics. You can twist pretty much anything to support your viewpoint if you are creative enough.

>>61339619
>haha just because people started murdering each other doesn't mean we need government intervention, humanity was doing just fine all along until Cain killed Abel but no new regulation is needed because new things started happening XDDDDDDD
This is the level of edgy internet teenager anarchists.

>>61338499
what does it cost them? what is the dollar amount of this cost?

>>61339906
>Fuck off Berncuck, your candidate endorsed that fucking psychopath who supports TPP
He only endorsed Hillary because she was the lesser evil, and he knew that Stein wouldn't had a chance. If Stein had a chance, he would encourage his voters to go for her instead.

Try at least making sense before you post?

>>61339931
Statistics can totally lie. Biased collection methods, for example.
They can lie at every step of the way, from collection, to aggregation, to interpretation, to usage. For example, 40% of badgers prefer sleeping outdoors. If we wish to become brave like the badgers, our only option is more homeless people.

>>61340202
Just like the wage gap between Men and Women

>>61340343
Even the term "wage gap" is a lie. The statistics refer to earnings, not an hourly or annual wage.

>>61338415
why would you even think this has something to do with being anti-trump you stupid fucking mongoloid. letting business control what you see on the internet IS being a gay ass commie. here's your (You) you fucking retarded waste of human being

>>61339931
Statistics can easily lie or misinform. There is a big problem in scientific research regarding curation. Researchers need to put out papers and projects in order to remain relevant and receive funding. Some researchers are putting out incorrect papers in order to meet their quotas or gain attention. In order to make their papers believable they often tamper subtly with the way statistics are calculated in order to produce false significant results.

more info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q

Statistics are not just averages and standard deviations. They can get really complicated and unintuitive. One basic example would be bayes' theorem.

>>61338495
>>61338499
>>61339674

Netflix/Youtube/Google/Spotify ALREADY pay ISPs via Peering agreements for the increased bandwidth they use. Why should Comcast get to double dip on those costs? You dickheads just love parting with your money.

I fucking hate how /pol/ has suddenly convinced /g/ that net neutrality is somehow bad because muh-commie stuff.

God you all deserved to be utterly fucked by a BBC.

>>61340808
>don't let business control the internet
>let the trusted government do it instead!!

>>61339764
>bernouts are literally college drop outs
explains everything tbqwhyf

>>61340877
TV licensing isn't THAT bad

>>61340877
lol go eat your government rations

>>61340879
you are too retarded for this topic

>>61338461
>providing internet costs pennies per month for even the largest power users
>most of the costs are the labor costs behind putting fiber in

This makes sense, go home you faggot

>>61339775
I love how US politics is always obvious through the media

>>61339125
Wrong explanation, it's so sad seeing how almost nobody here knows what they're talking about. It's like you all read the same propaganda pamphlet and are quoting it in your own words poorly.

>>61340917
That is *not* an argument

how about you amerishits start your own isp with kickstarter or something to fight against those assholes, i'm sure lots of people will migrate to your services when they will learn you dont limit their shit

>>61338461
>certains sites cost more for the ISP to deliver to you
[citation needed]
The only person it costs more for is for backbones like Level3 and last I checked Level3 isn't your ISP dickhead.

>>61338461
A byte from 4chan isn't more expensive for your ISP than a byte from Facebook. If you don't have NN, Facebook gets to make a deal with your ISP that FB gets to be way faster than other forums, e.g. 4chan.
No NN means more power to those with money, because then they get to make deals controlling who sees what over the internet.
A byte is a byte and what site it comes from should not change how your ISP treats it. Your ISP shouldn't have any business with what site you actually visit.

I'm actually baffled that a number of anons seem to be against NN — it limits the power of monopolithic giants.

>>61340862
>Bayes theorem
>unintuitive

What is this extremist left/right partisan BS? NN isn't a partisan issue. I'm a Trump supporter and I'm completely against ending NN. Hillary would have done the same thing, and I can bet you would've been, "hurr commies want NN to end, we gotta stop them."

Stop sucking corporate cock, and stop blindly following political idealogies. Ending NN is stupid.

>>61340969
/g/ just likes to be contrarian for the sake of it. When /g/ gives advice, do the exact opposite and you'll end up just fine.

>>61340952
exactly.

>>61340180
Commie detected. Stop asking questions you comtard.

>>61340969
>it limits the power of monopolithic giants
by establishing a monopolithic giant
fuck the FCC

>>61340966
Starting a new ISP is illegal just about everywhere in the US.

>>61339894
Hillary only had 2 points over Trump, which is well within the margin of error. The analysts threw out all conventions to spin Hillary as having a guaranteed win, despite it really being a 50-50. However, that doesn't mean that a 24 point lead on election day is anything but a guaranteed victory. Sure, things could have changed during the debates, but Bernie would have had a massive advantage going in. People who pretend that Bernie had no chance at victory are simply denying the facts. I guarantee that if the situation was revered, and Trump’s approval ratings were the highest in the country, we wouldn't be hearing the end of it.

http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/11/dont-mistake-masturbation-for-insight.html#.WWZ6pfErLVN

is this technical content right?

>>61338921
>extremely broad statement
>period
nice argument faggot

>>61339393
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_Progress

>Demand Progress is an internet activist-related 501(c)4 entity

Same shit as Citizens United and Club for Growth

You sound like a PAC shill btw

>>61340976
>I'm a Trump supporter

Opinion immediately discarded.

>>61339041
bandwidth is bandwidth, packets are packets, regardless of source or destination, or do you not understand the basics of internet?

>>61340902
Go eat your nothing because you can't afford food on your wage

>>61341107
The internet is not a big truck. You don't just dump stuff on it

If an ISP wants to offer normies that ability to receive their netflix garbage shows faster and at better quality then why the fuck should they be prevented from being able to do so

I probably wouldn't use that ISP but that's my business

>>61338415
>another drumpf-loving /pol/tard posting about things he has no understanding of
Leave.

>>61338415
You have to go back t_d.

>ISPs who suck off the government tit deserve the right to throttle my internet connection, because anything else is communism

Fuck off

>>61341145
>I probably wouldn't use that ISP
So, what happens when they all start doing it?

>>61339464
>defending reddit

Hello tourist

>>61338497
>puts verizon shill, strongly anti-net neutrality pajeet at the head of the FCC
>he doesn't support net neutrality
?

>>61341180
Then I find a niche ISP that doesn't do it

Then again I live in a first-world country (not burgerland) that has a thriving marketplace for ISPs and didn't have net neutrality until like 2 years ago

Trump also signed a law that allows your ISP to collect your private information and sell it to advertisers without your permission and appointed an anti-net neutrality guy as head of the FCC, which oversees invasions of privacy by ISPs but it's okay because Trump did it so it's okay

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>>61338415
>anti-Trump
I want r/The_Donald to leave

>>61341178
oh they do? sounds like a problem as well

>>61340191
>Hillary because she was the lesser evil
>Hillary
>the lesser evil
Are you retarded or just have low-efficiency autism? your brain makes no sense.
Read TPP and then tell me how great your beloved shillary is again, fucking pathetic cuck.
Even one of the most commie individuals out there, Zizek, said that it was a huge mistake.
You don't know shit about politics if you unironically think what you wrote, unless you're a shariablue or CTR faggot which you most likely are.
https://archive.fo/PP84d

>>61341134
right, it's a series of tubes

How isn't /g/ aware of the catastrophe that has been FCC regulation of radio and the subsequent booming satellite radio market that emerged because the FCC didn't have their grubby fingers all over it

>>61341213
>has a thriving marketplace for ISPs
meanwhile, every normie has to use Comtrash or AIDST&T here in the US

even if there are niche ISPs for tech nerds, throttling and uneven charging from major ISPs will stifle the internet even for those using niche ISPs

>>61341260
because they're mostly shilling or underage lol

>>61341283
Seems like you need better infrastructure

Perhaps allowing ISPs to priortise certain traffic would reduce costs and make them more likely to expand to the rural market

>even if there are niche ISPs for tech nerds, throttling and uneven charging from major ISPs will stifle the internet even for those using niche ISPs

Never happened in my country, the worst that we had was P2P throttling in the daytime and it was fine

>>61341236
https://archive.fo/30ija
>What Billions In Subsidies Bought: The Final Map Of Verizon's FiOS Fiber

>>61340946
Nice follow up
>you're all wrong
>crickets
So please explain because I'm drooling retarded and need to be spoon fed exactly what the 'proper' explanation is.
Inb4 silence

>>61338415
you all are fucking retards. don't like it, don't pay for it.

mook should eat a dick

>>61341319
it never happened in your country because your country almost certainly has less influence on the internet than the US
the US, for better or worse, has an outsized influence on the internet and internet culture
if Brits stopped using the internet the same way because Brits got throttling and uneven access overnight, the world would notice for sure but it would not drastically change the culture of the internet
if the same changes happened in the US, the world would notice and it would affect EVERYONE

>>61341319
>Rural market
>Priority

>>61341410
>it never happened in your country because your country almost certainly has less influence on the internet than the US

I don't see how this relates to literally anything

>>61341404
Most ISPs in the United States run a duopoly/monopoly in their respective service regions.

>>61341410
Why are ameritards so self-centred

>>61341442
Ignorance make pride

>>61341404
They're not going to charge the enduser extra to view websites, you dense fucker. They're going to charge the companies serving data/sites the bigger bucks to serve content at decent speeds.

The ISPs are literally acquiring the right from the government to legally extort online services... How do you think that will play out in the long term? More expensive services? More ads? Shittier service? Use your imagination.

>>61341058
there's a difference between pacs and super-pacs

>>61341453
Like the difference between AIDS and super-AIDS.

>>61339780
Yeah but on 4chan the ISP is only serving a small amount of data at that rate. This is not true for streaming sites.

>>61341451
How tf would this lead to a more expensive service

>>61341014
why though?
don't reply mah big business.

>>61338415
>communism is when the government does stuff XD
Anti-NN shill are as dumb as ever, I see.

>>61341528
>Netflix is charged lots of money by various ISPs to provide the same service they're providing now
>This quickly begins to harm Netflixs bottomline
>They do what they can to offset that by directly charging the customer more for subscription plans

It's literally that simple, and the ISPs keep slowly going up on your monthly bills, for providing fuckall more than what you're getting now.

>>61341592
>netflix retards will have to pay more for netflix

I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing the downside here anon

>>61341014
t. someone who read something on /pol/ once
The reason you can't start a new ISP is because it's extremely expensive and the markets are already controlled by monopolies.

>>61341613
Your animu streaming sites will be throttled to 1.5kbps, and you'll probably see datacaps of 30gb per month.

>>61341520
Netflix already pays more for all the bandwidth it uses, it makes no sense for it to also pay for the "type" of content it is serving.

>>61341629
They do the latter currently anyway, as to the former I'll just use a VPN

>>61341665
you don't think known VPN providers wont be the first places throttled?

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>land of "freedom" getting fucked in the ass by the goverment and corporation part 61338415
That's what you get for voting for populists and socialists.
Feels good living in Europe where we do no have stupid monopoly-supporting laws that forbid free market.

>>61341689
>let's hurt businessmen

Ooh yeah that'll help them

>>61341619
>and the markets are already controlled by monopolies.
Making new ISP illegal since they sue Cities and States if they allow new ISP to work on the territory.

>>61338665
Lol as I read the first paragraph I was thinking of how gay this post, but then I realized it was pasta

Yes please, kill this site and i will finally be free

>>61341758
But it was made with sincerity

https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/6mtgtp/we_need_your_voice_as_we_continue_the_fight_for/dk45v3k/

>>61341789
Yeah dude, the electric and water companies definitely deserve the right to throttle electricity and water. I mean, lets not interfere with the free market, or anything!

>>61341789
Obviously Trump will do his best to kill jobs and destroy entrepreneurship in USA. It was his mandate.

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>>61341789
hilarious

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>>61341789
>monopoly
>freedom

>>61341789
this is pretty mediocre b8
but then again the_donald exists so

>>61341816
>throttling electricity

Jesus Christ you tourists

>>61341748
First, is this really a thing that has happened, or something someone said on /pol/? Second, REMOVING regulation isn't going to stop monopolies from suing smaller companies.

>>61341846
>implying its not possible

>>61341849
Not him, but you should read about Google Fiber.
It was such a promising idea...

>>61338461
That's why they pay their providers for high upload speeds. They shouldn't have to pay extra si that Comcast or Verizon doesn't throttle the upload they already paid for.

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Hey anons
So all this net bullshit is about domesticating internet and creating safe spaces for X people, Am I right ?

>>61341882
I know about google fiber. Telecoms sued cities to PREVENT regulation that was designed to help Google.

>>61338703
i loved reading those rfcs when i first discovered them

>>61341917
there is literally no reason for productive entities of society to not have power over legislation, commie cuck

>>61339478
You fail to understand why Trump won. He won because people were tired of the establishments bullshit and wanted someone who wasn't from an established political dynasty. Trump was less establishment than Hillary so he won. If the DNC hadn't fucked over Bernie he probably would have won because he was less establishment than both of them. Trump didn't win because everyone became "woke" to super conservative ideals, he won because everyone was disenfranchised from the establishment.

>>61341935
fuck off, ancap larper. real capitalism invovles breaking up coercive monopolies.

>>61338615
Daily reminder that 4chan is an American website.

>>61341962
How can a monopoly be coercive if the government has nothing to do with it

>>61338415
>A fool and his money are easily parted

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The amount of libshit butthurt in this thread is hilarious.

The whole "da ISPs will raise prices!" is bullshit. Why would they do that? They're a business they, and they need loyal customers.
What's 200x more likely to happen WHEN this passes is the average user will have their internet bill severely reduced and access to popular websites like YouTube or Netflix will be given free passes and not count against datacaps.
NN is just a jew trick to prevent ISPs from rightfully punishing the small 2% of fat virgin bandwidth hogs, downloading terabytes of Japanese Cartoon pornos every day. NN forces ISPs to take drastic measures against the entire userbase instead of just the ones who deserve it.

I can't wait to witness all the libcuck tears when this bill passes. Goddamn it feels good to win SO FUCKING MUCH.

>>61341957
Bernie has only ever worked in Government. He's got several houses and a sports car. He lives entirely off the American taxpayer. He is as establishment as you get.

>>61341950
>complain about commies
>by defending state maintained monopoly

>>61338609
Exactly. All of these stupid people from /pol/ believe anything that the Republican party yells them even though facts show that ISPs would love to abuse them even more.

>>61341957
lol no
he won because he was the only one appealing to middle america
bernie and hillz were both actively shitting on them
never mind the simple fact HILLARY WON POPULAR VOTE
so you bernouts should kys immediately, he would have lost that and everything else

>>61341978
>Why would they do that?
Because they do that constantly and there's absolutely nothing stopping them from doing it.

>They're a business they, and they need loyal customers.

Where would those customer go?

>>61341972
You're fucking with me now, right? I sometimes have trouble telling when people are fucking with me.

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>>61341972
> actually being this retarded
"How can an entity without competition in a market exert any power without the goverment?"
gee, it's a headscratcher

>>61341957
Bernie was establishment as fuck. He was a politician who'd say anything he thought would get him elected. Don't be a fool you'll never have a candidate that isn't complete scum because you have to be scum to get that far.

>>61342042
You don't know what coercion is

>>61341978
if you're wondering what ISPs will do if net neutrality is repealed, we already know.

2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it. https://www.cnet.com/news/telco-agrees-to-stop-blocking-voip-calls/

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. http://fortune.com/2009/04/03/group-asks-fcc-to-probe-iphone-skype-restrictions/

2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. https://www.wired.com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge/

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money. https://www.freepress.net/press-release/99480/att-blocking-iphones-facetime-app-would-harm-consumers-and-break-net-neutrality

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place. https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2013/09/18/verizons-plan-break-internet

>>61341978
Are you saying NN is bad because it lets people download chink cartoons?

>>61341962
>real capitalism invovles breaking up coercive monopolies
you mean governments?

>>61342050
You don't seem to know what a monopoly is. Yes, it's possible for non-state actors to be coercive, despite white saint rothbard might have told you.

>>61342078
You still don't know what coercion is

>>61342053
I feel bad for americans

>>61342009
>pro freedom
>defend state maintained Monopoly

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>>61341935
>Communism
>supporting free market

>>61341950
>Corporatocracy
>freedom

>Communism
>supporting free market


Does any of you even know what these terms mean?

>>61342083
threatening someone into doing or not doing something. when a monopoly uses it's control of the market to prevent competitors from entering a market, that's a coercive use of monopoly power. I can't believe I'm arguing with literal fucking anarchists on my chink cartoon website.

>>61342084
why are you such a fag, OP?

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>>61342084
>freedom to pay comcast more money

>>61342099
Feels good to be Canadian sometimes.

>>61341916

NO!

Net neutrality means that your ISP can't go about tampering with whatever data goes down their network, speeding it up or slowing it down based on its location, etc... If I pay for a 50mbps connection, Comcast can't go around arbitrarily slowing it down to 1mbps when I access 4chan, or speeding it up to 80mbps when I access the New York Times. The idea is to make ISPs neutral. That is, treat every network connection the same regardless of source.

The counterargument here is that if the government has the ability to regulate ISPs for good purposes, such as protecting consumers, it also has the same power to use that regulatory ability for evil, such as censoring certain websites. Moreover, we should be wary of too much corporate regulation. Corporations aren't necessarily evil, they're just self-motivated, and care only about whatever makes them the most profit. The problem in the case of ISPs is that there isn't sufficient competition, meaning that they can make a lot more decisions that might screw over their customers, due to the fact that they can't leave them.

>>61341935

Legislation should only be dictated by democratically elected representatives. Otherwise those "productive entities" might use their power to prevent other productive entities from popping up, giving them competition. The spirit of capitalism is derived from the free market, NOT from making corporations all powerful.

>>61342143
ISPs here are utter shit.

>>61338415
Thank you Pajeet for cooperating with Comcast™
One Rupee has been transferred to your account

>>61342099
Well why don't you cheer yourself up by prepping your wife's rapefugee bull you fucking eurocuck.

>>61342157
Nah, things aren't as good as they could be (esp in comparison to EU), but holy fuck we're blessed in comparison to the US disaster.

>>61342141
>freedom
>supporting monopoly
Also I'm from Europe. Trump can suck my dick.

>>61342053
Nice copypasta shariablue, but that doesn't prove anything, and even if it does so what.
Literally every other business doesn't have to deal with forced equality commie bullshit.

I don't understand the cucks who suddenly want to pay more money. Like what the fuck is wrong with you? Did shalom fuck you so hard that you now love him?

>>61342202

>Your list of facts doesn't prove anything
>And even if it does I'm just gonna bury my head in the sand and hope that some politician with an R in front of them comes and fucks me in the butt. That'll show those liberals!

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>not supporting net neutrality
>on 4chan

>>61342213
Net neutrality would increase the cost of internet service though

>>61342231
I'm all for throttling shitposting. Fast internet connections have made internet cancerous.

>>61342150
I think the counter-counterargument is that ISPs have already broken their trust with the public.

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>>61342202
>but that doesn't prove anything, and even if it does so what.
You hit every single branch on the way down.

>>61342238
>slippery slope fallacy

Good, I can't wait for ISPs to ban this cesspool of hate speech.

>>61342235
It literally wouldn't because we have net neutrality right now.
>>61342254
Fuck off retarded reddit drumpf cancer
I curse pol every time I see you asslickers crossposting.

I remember the first time 4chan did this when during SOPA when moot put spoiler tags on all the posts. Why is it a bad thing to have net neutrality? I fucking hate how /pol/ has invaded every board and has to bring the politics into every discussion. Nobody gives a shit what you believe when talking about anything. Keep that shit in /pol/ for fucks sake.

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>>61342141
>Freedom means you're free from jew dick into your asshole

Is this why you demand jew dick to go deeper in your asshole?

>>61342295
Mods need to be tougher on /pol/tard discussion in other boards.

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>>61342202
>I can't wait to pay more money to comcast kike CEOs! Take that liberals
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

>>61342141
T. Im 13 years old and don't understand how politics work

>>61342295
>I fucking hate how /pol/ has invaded every board
It's not even /pol/. It's literally shills, shareblue, ukranians, and people that have fallen for their lies.

>>61342295
>Why is it a bad thing to have net neutrality?
I want to see normalfags being butthurt for not being able to watch HD netflix without forking over a lot of cash.

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>>61342330
Know your place r*ddit

>>61342330
That's the very fucking definition of the slippery slope fallacy. Educate yourself, poltard.

>>61338415
dear anon, please kill yourself

>>61342330
>Trump is the anti jew
>literally has a jewish daughter and son-in-law
LOL

>>61341012
>saying "no slavery" is the same as making everyone slaves!
>FUCK having borders and laws and shit
fuck you ajit

>>61338415
>supporting that dumb pajeet controlled by corporations
pathetic

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fuck Captialism and fuck Trump
liberals get the bullet too

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there is literally nothing wrong with communism

>>61342371
FUCK EVERYONE

>>61342295

A significant amount of them are not US citizens or even members of Western Civilization. There is a concerted effort by Russia to change the zeitgeist of the internet in the west.

/pol/ has their flag system to identify who posts from where but spoofing an IP to a US one is trivially easy to state actors with the resources they have.

>>61342303
I'm convinced every post that says "commie" and "cuck" in conjuction is coming from the same one or two posters, tops. It's language indicative of exceptional ass-hattery.

>>61342380
except fellow communists

>>61342378
Except for the tried and tested examples of it being unworkable.
>inb4 it wasn't true communism

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>>61342364
Stop projecting.

>>61342397
yes. ignore all the other capitalist countries that failed because they weren't war-economy fueled imperialist allied powers.
i.e. capitalist brazil
capitalist south korea
capitalist mexico
capitalist hong kong

sure is r*ddit in here

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STOP GETTING DISTRACTED WITH THIS STUPID SHIT

In the end this is a problem between Billion dollar companies (Google, Netflix, Amazon) AGAINST some jewish internet service providers.

BUT WHAT ABOUT PIC RELATED??

Those same companies that "fight" for net neutrality with their army of useful idiots are in favor of this shit.

There is no Netflix opposing DRM into the HTML5 spec because is good for their pockets. Furthermore, this affects EVERYONE not just a bunch of stupid Americans and it's effects are going to be much worse.

>being unironically anti-net neutrality
none of you are ACTUALLY like this, right?

kys trumpcucks

>>61342330
>Trump is the anti jew
>his senior advisor is an orthodox jew

>>61341950
>name calling
Your IQ must be below 90

>>61342441
/pol/ crossposters are rampant on this board more then ever
I remember supporting /new/ thinking it would make these stormfront faggots stop but it's only gotten worse
wish I could turn back time.

i see the site is formally shilling political activation now.
we iz legion ahaha.

>>61338609
>Title II is an excellent first step
No it isn't. Net Neutrality should be law written by congress, not more regulations that can come and go with administrations by bureaucrats who can undo them or expand their scope indefinitely.

>>61342295
>I fucking hate how /pol/ has invaded every board
That's only a symptom of the problem. You should be blaming the liberals who decided intersectionality was an excuse to politicize everything everywhere for any reason. When a virus invades the body, the antibodies naturally attack, and sometimes they even mistakenly attack the host body as well.

>>61342436
Could you link the spec proposal?

>>61342490
you are the cuck

>>61342475
Sure

https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-encrypted-media-20130510/

>>61342464
That's makes no fucking sense, why the fuck a stormfag would be against NN? It's fucking suicide

>>61342335
Are you calling anti-NN shareblue?
Do you seriously believe that and call yourself a conservative?

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>>61342397

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K88BU3kjZ-c

"Net Neutrality explained and why it matters."

>>61342503
So it basically prevents people from downloading content that's explicitly tagged as protected media?

Doesn't seem too terrible on the surface, unless YouTube starts protecting its media, and prevents the public from archiving media.

>>61342545
> feminism packets
quit LARPing you gigantic faggot

>>61339619
>you mean the internet the internet that grew into what it is today without government intervention?
....
oh! It's satire. well played.

>>61342545
>feminist packets
lost

>>61340871
Comcast has 183 billion dollars of market cap.

Think about how many people own Comcast stock.

All of those people want this to happen so that they can steal your money through unfree market regulations.

That's only in the US or is it also the Europe?

>>61342577
what is this, a ylyl thread?

>>61338461
>bandwidth is somehow limited resource
How about you upgrade our infrastructure to not be from 1965.

>>61338461
>/pol/tard trying to understand technology

>>61342166
>call support line in yurop
>get native language by default as the sole option
>call support line in US
>HOLA SENOR WOULD YOU LIKE ESPANOL OR INGLES???

>56% white

>>61342602
also after fraudulently taking taxpayer dollars to fund infra upgrades and then not upgrading and also using government regulation to stronghold your regional monopolies against Google Fiber while also screaming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE about how Federal Regulation is big gubmint anti-freedum.

Fuck the ISPs. If this shit falls apart, I'm just gonna be done... out.

>>61342381
Not only did Russia elect the US president, now they're even controlling 4chins. Seek help.

>>61342436
>huge internet infrastructure shifts due to america owning quite literally majority of the internet
>STOP WHINING ABOUT ITTTTTT
>literally just netflix wanting more rights
>NOW THIS IS SUPPPPERR SERIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

kys kid

m00t must be turning over in his spiritual grave. Fucking /pol/

>>61342558
>>61342558
It's much more than that

DRM is essentially a sandboxed evironment on your device that they have access to

By design its non auditable, Image having to download a botnet in your Browser to download a video.

Furthermore there is no way for Browser makes to opt out of this (it got accpted yestarday btw) because its on the HTML5 spec.

Don't even get me started on the DMCA and all the legal bullshit behind this.

>>61342692
Fuck off paid shill.

Go back to spamming the catalog with your stupid Net neutrality threads.

99% of american websites host garbage, anyway.

>>61338415
Go to bed state department shill.

>>61338461
>2017
>actually shilling for multinational corporations

This on top of the fact that they already get paid. Netflix pays them. You pay them.

No one is getting a free ride.

Legit the only thing net neutrality accomplishes is giving ISPs sweeping powers to interrupt your service and charge you more money to not be interrupted. Or do similar things to the like of Netflix who will in turn have to charge you more to stay profitable... If not both at the same time.

This does nothing for consumers. Legitimately nothing.

I take that back, it bends you over.

>>61342532
Huh, none of that stuff happened in Venezuela, how did the same result occur?

>>61342744
>WAHHHHHH NETFLIX THIS IS A BIG FUCKING DEAL WAAAAAAAAHHHH
>b-b-but its not a big deal that they want to literally fuck over the entire internet because im so delusional to think what the US does is in isolation
t. you, the fag.

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You would have to be a complete idiot to still be supporting this imbecile

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-13/trumps-biggest-weakness-is-the-power-hes-given-his-family/8702602

>>61342727
>Image having to download a botnet in your Browser to download a video.

Reminds me of Flash. But yeah, the lack of choice is shit.

>>61342756
Oil prices
Also why are you talking about a capitalist nation's failure anyways

>>61338415
Net Neutrality isn't horseshit. Don't blindly follow Trump.

>>61342756
go ahead and tell me that the capitalist governments had no military involvement in Venezuela. I'd love to screencap it. say it.

>>61342330

>Everyone being baited this fucking hard this fucking easily

He's obviously fishing.

>>61342798
Id love for you to tell me what catastrophic events plagued Venezuela that can be compared to two fucking world wars.

Go ahead, PrintScreen's only a press away.

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>>61342597
It is now.

>>61342776
Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

>>61342099
Dont.

>>61341957
Donald Trump won because people are tired of PC liberalism and the pussy "open borders" "coexist" "celebrate diversity" angle that leftists push. People want to see illegals deported. People want to see Muslim """refugees"""" scrutinized. People want to be able to speak their minds, not submit to the snowflake safe space mentality that is so pervasive these days. Plus, people want to see a booming economy, job creation, and in a word, a Republican senate. It wasn't just that Trump was anti-establishment, it was that he is anti-leftism. Anti leftism happens to be rather established. Luckily, it was stopped here in the US before it really took hold like it has in Europe, because at a certain point, it's too late to fix

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>>61342845

>>61342798
>iz all da piggus fault!!!!

>>61342833
1. Venezuela's wealth was all in oil
2. The prices of oil went down

also the CIA is far more lethal to a civilization than any soldier

>>61342869
>Anti leftism happens to be rather established.

*And leftism happens to be rather established, I mean.

>>61342833
So you're saying socialism only works if the government has near total control over industry as in the Soviet Union?
Because I agree

>>61342869
>europe
>leftist

>>61341008
>stop asking questions
I hope this was ironic

>>61339277
>>61339351
no it doesn't you nigger
the rest of the world isn't as anti-consumer as USA is, and we have net neutrality now and forever

>>61342888
>implying socialism has ever worked.
Socialism provides literally no incentive to work.

Also Venezuela economy.

>>61342436
This is going to be terrible.

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>>61342869
>liberals
>leftists
Liberals are center-right you stupid nigger. Go back to /pol/

>>61342915
>Socialism provides literally no incentive to work.
>being this much of an S&M evangelist
Your morality is literally pre-conventional if you need a lash to make you work. Don't project your deficiencies onto others.

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>>61342915
>no incentive to work

>>61342885
>capitalism is oil
please stop

>>61339532
>these are the people that you vape with
jesus christ
>>61339523
at least before 4chan has always been anti-establishment in one way or another, but now it's the very same cancer it once hated, ironic, isn't it

>>61342885
>1. Venezuela's wealth was all in oil
Ok
>2. The prices of oil went down
It didn't go down that fucking far.
>also the CIA is far more lethal to a civilization than any soldier
the CIA single handedly took down an entire country... but its because of oil prices

>>61342888
Socialism can never work as long as a human element exists in its execution.
That being said, fuck communism.

>>61342952
who are you quoting?
get fucked rightist

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>>61342888

>>61342974
wow bright lights I'm so glad that I'm living in debt now

>>61342934
I think they were talking about modern left wing liberalism, rather than its classical equivalent.

>>61342941
That's a Bible quote, dude.

>>61342958
Not ironic, just telling.
>tfw irony detector is burnt the fuck out after all these years

>>61342996
Why do you hate Christmas?

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>>61342968
>the CIA and oil have no correlation, they're completely unrelated
what are they teaching you guys in school?

>>61342968
>can't comprehend multicausal phenomena
Amerifat spotted. Go back

>>61339906
>TPP
which has nothing to do with the internet

>>61342996
Least they can afford to have the fucking lights.

>>61341734
Of course it will, businesses will pay the 30 thousand dollar "corporate access" addon for their internet service. More money in the pocket.

>>61343021
that's really what makes you happy?

>>61343030
Capitalism works.

>>61340808
>letting business control what you see on the internet IS being a gay ass commie
but that's a thing that can only happen with Capitalism
>>61340879
government is much better, it can be elected, questioned and has to abide by certain laws, in the US, the lack of consumer rights and any real economic law enforcement means that comcast could probably get away with selling human organs for routers and it would be perfectly legal

>>61343039
it's not working for me

>>61343039
>it justwerks
do you use Mac OS too?

>>61343039
not without at least some regulation or else you get shit like ISP's in the US

>>61343005
that's also a Lenin quote, dude
I have no qualms with christmas

>>61341957
they did a survey of voters
the ONLY thing that correlated among trump voters was a general consensus that immigration had issues that needed dealing with
statistically that's the only thing trump voters agree with each-other about in any large capacity

that's the dividing line

nothing else mattered last election.

>>61343013
>Calls someone an amerifat, while using an american meme

>>61343012
>The CIA fucked the oil prices of the entire world just to spite communist Venezuela!

Are you fuckers even trying, or is this a clever ruse.

>>61343000
What left-wing? There is no modern left-wing liberalism. Identity politics is individualistic, therefore divisive, therefore right wing. Open borders, in addition to invalidating the assumptions on which comparative advantage is based, increase competition between laborers, therefore right wing. Weak social assistance projects that don't allow their wards to reach escape velocity serve only to subsidize cheap labor, therefore right wing.
Leftism seeks to unite the working class. There isn't a damned thing leftist about the Democrat Party.

>>61343051
Nah I use windows 10. Not implying I have standards, but Microsoft in their infinite wisdom forced the downgrade.

>>61343104
>implying everyone who lives in the US is an amerifat

>>61343133
I mean, it gets called liberalism, but its really just a bunch of whiny cunts playing the victim, with a topping of a sense of entitlement.

>>61343168
>redefining words to fit my current argument
SJW Spotted.

>>61343104
heavy inflation, unwise oil policy, exacerbated by long term embargo SUPPORTED BY THE USA. this killed venezuela.
how is this complicated?

>>61343170
It IS liberalism. It's the premise that people fall into the categories of victim, abuser, and rescuer, and need to be liberated. Betcha can't guess which role the bourgeoisie take.

>>61343281
It doesn't lead to the narrative that has replaced their character, therefore it must be false.

>>61343281
>Commie countries cant stand on their own feet unless everyone leaves them alone
So what your saying is: communism will never work because someone will always play with their shit. Glad we finally got that out in the open.

>>61343361
nobody can survive a gangbanging from the US and its proxy states (Europe) for that long

>>61343361
Yet you whine about the Kulaks.
Face it, you have no principles other than personal advantages, and are therefore a defective human who is better off exterminated.

>>61343018
good joke

>>61342934
>>61342896
>HURR muh no true leftism

nobody is buying it

>>61343516
I don't think your responding to the right guy.

>>61341442
You seem to care so much about their net neutrality as if they are a big deal

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>>61338665
>it's that reddit pasta again

>>61338415
CAST YOUR VOTE
http://www.strawpoll.me/13420739
http://www.strawpoll.me/13420739
http://www.strawpoll.me/13420739
LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL

>>61342974
> Cuba hasn't improved as much

I'm sure that had absolutely nothing to do with most of the world's major powers continuously trying to destroy it and assassinate its political leaders.

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>>61340946
>you're all wrong
>I'm not going to tell you why, how, or make any counter argument tho

>>61343571
>le everything I don't like is leftism argument
>I can only think in one dimension because burger education hurr durr
>le my axes are always right because i'm on the right of them argument
Kek. How gauche.

>>61343821
You probably should point out that the 'de facto' standard is the way it is and has been done.

Remember

Regulation = freedom!

>>61343821
>consumer choice in the ISP market

you realize that doesn't exist right?

>>61341404
that's like if all food tasted like shit but "if you don't want to eat then just don't"

To be fair, this place isn't any worse than literally anywhere else nowadays. 4chan became normie.>>61342284