/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>61322825
Can we ban AMD shills from making these threads please?

>>61322825
first for fuck miners

>>61323055
My R5 1600 arrived today, waiting on the rest then you're toast.

reposting from the last thread.
>>61323077
will a firewire plug work on a usb 3.1 slot? if not, will an adapter work?

If I go for a CPU liquid AIO, which is better: a front mounted 280mm pulling air in with rear/top exhaust fans, or a 120mm rear mounted as exhaust with probably 2x140mms intake on the front?

>>61322825
I want to build a PC for basic web browsing 1080p video and libreboot.
My Budget is roughly 200$ But I allready have many parts.
Parts I have:
Gigabyte GA-G41M-ES2L motherboard
4GB of ram (2gb x2)
Core 2 quad Q660
Optical drive
250GB HDD

What I need:
Power supply
Case
Graphics card ( This card must work with no propietary drivers what so ever and must also work with libreboot No binary blobs either)

Country: USA
What do you guys reccomend?

So we are throwing out a lot of hardware of systems that we do not wish to support anymore at work and I can have 32 GB of DDR4 SO-DIMM 3200 (2 x 16 GB) which I could put into my thinkpad t460p for just 80 $

I probably won't need 32 GB Ram in my entire life (>inb4 640k are enough) but it's just 80 $.

Is there -any- benefit that I could talk myself into in order to justify the purchase to myself, other than being the hero of screenfetch threads?

>>61323329
Be the hero of your wallet.

I've got a i5 3570k overclocked at 4.3ghz

Is a 980ti a decent enough upgrade from the R290 to run VRshit at a more stable 90fps or would I need a CPU upgrade as well?

>>61323349
does it mean "buy" or "buy not"?

>>61323055
Proud owner of a i5 skylake, someone please buy this shit off of me so I can get a r7 1700!

>>61323373
You're asking someone to flat out justify a purchase, when you list objective reasons for/against it.

You know your money situation better than anybody.

So is Intel limiting all pentiums or just the g4560?

>>61323395
My question was more like "is there any reason to have 32 gb of ram?"

How will an R5 1600 and RX580/GTX 1070 pair for 1080p gaming? What about somewhat heavy video editing and other productivity? I have access to both GPUs with about $90 of a price gap between them; which would be a better buy for that CPU? Lastly, does anyone have any recent benchmarks for a R5 1600 in Arma 3?

>>61323451
"if you will use it"

Could probably get pretty stupid with a ramdisk.

>>61323451
I run a VM for porn, that's reason enough

Any reason to not buy a refurbished hard drive? These Hitachi and HGST are so cheap it's hard to pass up.
Anyone have experience with either/are they louder than a normal hdd?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yB8mcc

for a friend

>>61323354
Depends on the cost of the upgrade, but sure, sounds good.

Sorry for the stupid question but what is the real difference between a Caviar Black and a Black? I see the Caviar Black has more cache and is also a lot cheaper but it's from the older lineup right? What makes the new lineup better or should I just go with a Caviar?

>>61323624
I wouldn't touch MSI's motherboards with a shit-covered stick, personally. The Asus Prime B350-Plus is around the same price.

>>61323742
>recommending Anus instead
good joke

Which mobo is better? Asus prime B350 plus or Gigabyte B350 gaming 3?

>>61323742
I have the b350 pc mate and it's fine. Decent for overclocking and no gamer aesthetics.

>>61323458
580 is enough, 1070 is overkill.

Can anyone in this thread help me troubleshoot boot issues or is there a more appropriate thread for that? I checked the catalogue and this seems to be the closest to my needs.

Am I living in the past if I use a 1920x1200 24" screen?

If I have a single rail PSU does it matter if I use dedicated GPU power cable or connect GPU and HDDs to one cable with adapters?

>>61323899
There should be a stupid questions thread.

>>61323624
Jump on 2 extra fans early for the case, the front panel comes off to expose two 120 or 140mm mounts.

>>61323911
I'm reading your comment on a 19" 1280x1024 screen.
Literally living the 2006 dream.

>>61323918
Ok, thanks.

Are all EVGA PSUs made by Seasonic?

>>61323912
Don't use adapters if you don't have to.

>>61323952
No.
HEC, Super Flower, FSP, Seasonic
Maybe a couple others.

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>>61323945
Not sure if comfy or cramped. Is it at least a lcd?

Sorry for a retarded question, but this thing will fit in a standard ATX case, right?

https://seasonic.com/product/snow-silent-750/

>>61323975
Would it be better to get a Seasonic PSU instead?

>>61323765
Asus have objectively the best UEFI implementation on the market. Kick and scream all you like, but you won't be able to post evidence of one with more features or a better layout, because no such thing exists.

>>61323781
>"""""fine"""""

Come back in a year when the shit tier components MSI use start failing.

>>61323979
>https://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16824021046R
Help me.

>>61323999
It should. ATX/PSU fittings are never an exact science.

>>61324011
Unlike EVGA, Seasonic doesn't make bad PSUs. Even their cheapest offerings are at least "good".
Just because brainless sheep can't recommend anything beyond Seasonic, EVGA, or Corsair units, doesn't mean you need to limit yourself to those offerings (not that it means that buy is the wrong choice).
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

>>61323975
Care to explain why? I have to have a dangling molex plug right next to my gpu anyway, might as well use it if it won't cause any damage.

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>590 faster than 670
what kind of retarded naming convention is nvidia using? I haven't followed much on GPU releases, how comes 590 is faster than 670?

>>61324021
Is this guy right? I built around MSI B350 mate but if ASUS have better BIOS I might switch, especially considering how I'll pretty much have to update my BIOS to make my RAM run up to speed.

>>61324085
PSUs cables and rails are rated for specific tolerances based on the connections provided.
Anything you cook up outside of that is on you. It's not recommended. Will it explode? Probably not.

Slightly updated first time build. Can anyone give some insight on the video card (Asus GTX 1060 6GB)? What are its limits? I mainly play rocket league, LoL, and some platformers but I want to play more open world games like GTA and Hitman. Also i know DDR4 is the standard but how does GDDR5 fair?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZN3B3F

>>61324109

Probably because *90 cards for Nvidia are dual die cards.

>>61323695
About 200USD. Thanks for the reply

While I'm here, I might be replacing my mobo for the 3570k as it may be defective. Would anyone be able to recommend one that's good for overclocking?

>>61324213
Outdated PSU. Can get better for same price.
For the money you are spending, pick either tier 1-2.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

DDR4 is system, GDDR5 is GPU-only.

>>61324254
is that related to SLI? the benchmark doesn't mention about SLI though.

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>>61324370

>is that related to SLI?

In practical terms yes - it is effectively two complete gpus bolted onto a single pcb.

Pic related, an dual die AMD card.

>>61324370
Not quite SLI, it's a single card with 2 GPUs on it.

>>61324439
In terms of operation it's identical to SLI/Crossfire though.

>>61324370
It is SLI, you can't run a 590/690/Titan Z without having an SLI-certified PCIe slot on your motherboard

Source: someone who fell for the Titan Z and ITX meme

>>61324464

>you can't run a 590/690/Titan Z without having an SLI-certified PCIe slot on your motherboard

To be pedantic you can run them - they will just run effectively as a single die.

>someone who fell for the Titan Z

Seek medical help for that retardation - I hear there are drugs that can help you focus and clam your thoughts.

>>61324424
>>61324439
Oh that's cool, now I get it. Will the temps be lower or higher with dual GPU boards like these?

>>61322825
>G4560/G4600 - Budget builds (<$500)
DELID THIS
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_are_reportedly_limiting_pentium_g4560_cpu_production_to_improve_i3_sales/1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117743
https://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e16819117739&recaptcha=pass

>>61324493
>they will just run effectively as a single die.
That would be bad. How do I see if my mobo's 16x PCIe slot supports dual GPU?

>>61324498

Historically dual due cards have been downclocked compared to their single die counterparts (i.e each die of a 690 comes clocked lower than a 680) to help with power draw but they are all generally nuclear reactors. Hell this is why AMD started selling their dual die cards (295x2 and radeon pro duo) with an AIO because you simply can't air cool two thirsty dies and the required vrms.

>>61324523

RTFM and see if it is sli and/or crossfire certified (they have different requirements for certification).

who here 4870x2?

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>>61324534
>sli and/or crossfire
Looks like I'm out of luck:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vtPfrH/asus-motherboard-h81ma

No SLI support. Mini-ATX was a mistake.

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With the Crypto currency crashing will gpu prices drop? Should I hold out till then?

>>61324692

This surprises you how? That board only has a single pcie slot.

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Im in a predicament /pcbg/, I am building a new computer and I ordered a GTX 1070 and i5 7600k, along with 8gb of ram and mobo,
sadly the GTX 1070 probably wont come in for another month or so, I'm wondering if the performance of the integrated graphics of the i5 would be better or worse than my GT640 (very outdated I know)

I was really just thinking Overwatch might be a problem, but if anyone has a comparison site or anything please direct me to the right place.

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>>61324512
OH goddammit Intel you pieces of shit

so does amazon prime day have any good gaming monitors on sale? I'm kinda tired of using a 7 year old tv as a monitor.

>>61324716
Won't matter, it's still profitable and will recover eventually

>>61324716
Hold a while longer, they're about to start restocking cards at the end of the month.

>>61324718
I know SLI is usually just 2 identical GPUs used together in sync through the connector above, but dual GPU boards like this use only one lane, don't they? so I thought it wouldn't be necessary all the time.

>>61324725
The igpu ous quite good for what it is but OW would be surely an issue. It can run D3 and Wow perfectly but struggles with SC2 and HOTS, so you need a discrete gpu.

>>61324582
Not 4870x2 but 4870. Which drivers do you use?

So what was that talk about MSI motherboards being crap? Is there any validity behind that claim?

>>61324254
Do you know what unique feature every tier has? like *90 is dual GPU tier, what about *80, *70 and the others? I've noticed that GT and GTX have a lot of of performance difference too (I'm using a GT right now, it sucks), then there're the Ti versions, I used one in the past and it was pretty good, what's so special about them?

>>61324924
It's the weekly shitposting rotation. Remember it was asus before that.

>>61324512
>we don't want to compete with AMD on any level anymore

>>61324725
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10969/the-intel-core-i57600k-91w-review-the-more-amenable-mainstream-performer/8
Look at the last 2 charts on this page. I think the R7 240 is about the equivalent of a GT640. You should be able to run Overwatch on integrated graphics.

>>61324881
Just memes anon, I still have the card but don't actually use it anymore. Last drivers were 13.1 from what I recall.

>>61324992
Cool. I like the MSI selection of B350s more. Let's hope mine won't die on me.

>>61324929

There are no unique features to other GTX cards. The Ti models are just generally a supercharged card of a given tier. The 660ti for example was fucking fast for being a mid tier card whereas the 780, 980 and 1080ti cards have been titan beaten performance.

As for GT vs GTX the answer is simple: GT cards aren't for vidya and generally just media boxes. Really low tier cards like this have basically been replaced by Intel's igpu and the upcoming APUs from AMD will continue this trend.

AMD doesn't tend to have any particular moniker for their top tier cards beyond an X in the name since the great renaming (i.e 290x and fury x).

Which motherboard should I use to complement my R5 1600/GTX 1070 build? The Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 or the MSI Tomahawk?

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>>61322825
>MFW I got a i7 3770, Asrock H77m, 212 Evo and 12GB of Ram for £150 because Canadian money is monopoly money and it all tested and working
feeling pretty good lads

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If I'm a poorfag looking to buy a new PC, is it better to wait for Ryzen 3 and upgrade down the line when Zen 2 is released or try and get the 1600 now and upgrade later? I don't want to go with a G4560 because AMD has a better upgrade path and I need at least 4 cores since I do some photo and video editing and multitask a lot.

>>61325165
Butt how will you encode h.265 on that rig?

>find some Corsair Vengeance LPX sticks for pretty cheap
>check the compatibility one the MB site
>it fits, but it says the manufacturer is Samsung, the problem is these same sticks can also come with Hynix chips, which aren't mentioned
why is this such a shitshow

Does any company still make those fans with a physical 3 way switch/dial built in to control the speed manually (without one of the Zalman controllers)?

I'm in need of a 140mm to replace an Antec DustBuster fan in my test case. I could hear it through the floor while during a stress test last night.

Noctua is kind of overkill for this thing, but I'm still looking for speed control a la the Antec's switch.

>>61325183
Nigger detected.

>>61325240
The ones with SK Hynix are literally worse.

>>61325287

However with samsung you miss out the fun of hand tuning your timings, impudence and other sub-settings on x370!

>>61325287
I know, but with this particular stick you can't know which chips they come with until you buy and test them. Also some Hynix chips are supported by that motherboard, but for this particular kit you can't even know if they are, because it strictly lists that kit as "Samsung", not "Samsung/Hynix". That's a shitshow.

>>61325165
I bought a 2600K and a Maximus IV Extreme (boxed and in mint condition) for the exact same price a couple of months ago. Using it now and can't tell the difference compared to the 6700K I have.

>>61325004
Should I just install my GT640 then too? Can I use integrated graphics and the 640? Will drivers be a pain to remove later?

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I need like 4 - 6 tb of storage and I need it cheaper since its fucking expensive right now.
Also I need a cheap gpu like the rx 550, the one I added got sold out.

thanks in advanced and pic related

>>61325183
Just tried the 4k 120mbs test, Fuck me that's bad, but I've never got past 3rd gen intel personally anon, I'm not upgrading my own CPU until it's severely outdated and I'm making the best of my 3570k while i can and this rig is for my brother's birthday whole family is chipping in and all thought I might as well find him something good
>>61325422
Remember seeing a 2600k retrospective saying when Overclocked it matches a 4790k still pretty good for the price Anon considering a new one was £100 alone on Aliexpress

>>61325534
Yeah. Switch between them by moving the display cable. You'll need 2 sets of drivers which don't cause any conflicts. Wipe them with DDU when your 1070 arrives.

>>61325556
whats the point of that M.2 drive if its not NVME ?
If you seriously need more storage consider building a NAS box or just buy one and populate it with disks.

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Pic related is what I've bought so far (CPU, HDD, PSU) and what I'm so far planning on buying.
Anybody with a taichi that can suggest some good RAM?

Samsung EVO 850 500GB
or
Intel 540S 480GB?

The evo is cheaper.

I want reliability over all else. The drive will host games only (OS is on another drive).

>>61325831
Samsung 850 Evo. Intel SSDs are shit.

>>61325601
I asked because [spoiler] you used a Daiz pic.

>>61325831
>I want reliability over all else. The drive will host games only (OS is on another drive).
what a waste of an SSD.

It should be the other way around, have the OS on the fastest drive and games on the other drive.

>>61325843
>Intel SSDs are shit.

The one I use for the OS is performing perfectly fine. I think it's a 330 but it's been a while I checked.

>>61325855
Already have a SSD for the OS.
I'm looking to put games on an SSD because 500gb would be enough with plenty of headroom, I have space in the case for another SSD, and then I'd only keep the less frequently accessed media on HDDs (documents, music, movies, downloads, archives, backups, etc). That would mean that the HDDs would need to spin up that much less often.

>>61325922
Intel ssds are not the fastest on the market. It's still better than a hdd.

Corsair ML120 pro yay or nay? Need to do some serious air cooling on a monster after market gpu heatsink and I need a 120mm fans that 1) are pwm and 2) have good static pressure.

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>>61325853
well yeah I was surprised and feeling pretty good considering a g4560 with a motherboard and the same amount of ram without an aftermarket cooler is around £160 thought it was a pretty good price desu

>>61325966
>Intel ssds are not the fastest on the market. It's still better than a hdd.

Reliability is a priority over the 10mb/sec speed differences. I don't want it to kick the bucket after a year because, I dunno, the firmware has a bug or something.

From what I remember Intel is better in that regard, but they have been outsourcing their SSDs since the last time I checked.

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I'm looking to do an all white build but I'm stuck on trying to find a nice case. All these white cases have black interiors which entirely defeats the purpose of a white case. I was considering the white R5 but I already have an R4 for my old rig and want to get something different. The S340 Elite has that black frame around the glass which I don't like. The Enthoo Luxe is too big. Is there no good white mid tower case with tempered glass in the market?

Another question about the RAM. How likely am I to hit 3000mhz with this kit?

For storage I'm just adding on to what I will transfer over from my old rig. And for a CPU cooler I'm looking for an Icekimo 240w.

Have any of you tried building something with the Focus G?
I don't know what I think about the case, but I really like the video they made for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faqTcFPVb78

>>61325556
Get 2 of the hgst refurbs, best price/gb

>>61326020
Go for Noctua F12's. Better and quieter

what would be better? having a single 200mm fan in front, or having 2 140mm fans instead. the case supports both configurations.

RX 570 in stock
I repeat
RX 570 in stock
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202284

>>61326661
and RX 580 in stock
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202280

>>61326695
Shows up as out of stock for me

>>61326753
well, that was quick

Is it safe to pirate windows 10?

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>>61326797
MDL. Go download LTSB and MS Toolkit from there.

>>61326797
why bother when you can download it from microsoft's website for free?

Not pc building but would one of these be good for a computer science course and watching chineese animated picture shows?
https://www.amazon.com/Chromebook-C302CA-DHM4-12-5-Inch-Touchscreen-storage/dp/B01N5G5PG2/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1499809334&sr=1-5

>>61326879
Garbage. You can get cheaper laptops on amazon, search for refurbished laptops.

>>61326905
its not so much the price I want something small and durable with really good battery life. Student work isnt demanding and I just need to know if it will be able to handle c++ and java well enough to be practical. I probably wouldnt get this one specifically since I could get a similar one for less than 250

>>61326661
570 already out of stock jesus fucking christ

>>61326989
Manufacturers must be loving this.

Which Ryzen CPU would be a good upgrade from a 2500k? R5 1600 seems to be the best value, but is it a decent enough performance boost?

ANOTHER THREE FUCKING WEEKS UNTIL THE NEXT STOCK COMES UP
HURRY THE FUCK UP AND MAKE MORE FUCKING AMD

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>>61327036
Only if you're multitasking, R5 and R7 are bretty gud.

>>61327038
>>61326989
here.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202282

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pull the trigger?
I was just going to suffer with a 1050ti until the bubble burst but this seems good

>>61327052
Nah, just gaming.

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>read highlight
oh holy shit

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what kind of desk do you have guys?
my new pc case is so big i cant fit it anymore in my old table
any recommendations?
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>>61327085
NIGGER HURRY THE FUCK UP AND GRAB IT BEFORE IT SAYS OUT OF STOCK

>>61327090
Good enough for games, just make sure to overclock to get the most out of the CPU.

The quest for hitting dem 3200MHZ on Ryzen never ends.
>Ryzen 5 1600
>MSI B350M Gaming Pro
>Corsair Vengeance LED 2x16GB (CMU16GX4M2C3200C16)

>apply latest BIOS update with AGESA 1.0.0.6 and A-XMP Profile (at 3200 MHz)
>get three long(?) beeps from mobo speaker but PC boots fine
>run Memtest64 to test stability, goal was three hours
>PC shuts down after not even 40 minutes
>do a cold boot, the system tries to POST five times to no avail (three long beeps on each attempt)
>RAM frequency resets to 2133MHz
>give up and go back to 2933MHz
>shit runs fine now

Should I try manually setting up the timings, frequencies and voltages? Anyone else still unable to hit stable 3200?

>>61327085
why would they leave the limit at 6? don't they care?

>>61327104
Buy a small coffee table, make sure it has sturdy legs, and set it beside your desk.

>>61327110
Manually tune for 3000Mhz. The additional 200Mhz isn't really much.

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>>61327105
tfw

>>61327115
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131716

this one has a limit of 10.

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>>61327140
I'm glad Sapphire started putting backplates into their GPUs. The sag is real.

>>61327136
Until we actually CAN boot from 3200mhz

>>61327140
out of stock now

>>61326825
what is "mdl"?

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>>61327183
Mydigitallife. Hobby forum for Microsoft crap.

>>61327153
yeah my 580 nitro sags like a mother fucker. any idea how to fix it?

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Building a new PC for/with a friend tomorrow. Do you have to do anything funny to get an M.2 disk ready to boot? Some sources I found implied some BIOS funny business outside the realm of selecting it from a list.

It's a 960 Pro installing into a ROG Maximus IX hero, in case that matters.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Alright, now that I snagged my graphics card and motherboard before they stocked out, I have some questions:

Ryzen 1600 or 1600x? I have never overclocked anything before despite this being my 3rd computer, but i might try it in the future since this isn't a duper budget build like the last ones

Will the 450w PSU be enough, or should I get a bigger one?

Is the SanDisk ssd failure rate really that high? I know it's not seagate or kingston but I hear bad things about it. Hitachi is my favorite brand, but I'll probably go Samsung.

>>61327215
Use the power of your waifu to hold up the sag. Be aware that if waifu is made of inferior materials, she will melt from the heat.
Or get a better PC case that has tight screw holes.

>>61327237
What the fuck since when did Gigabyte make a mini ITX for Ryzen
I want it
But will it fit in that case? Check the compatibility notes that's in big bold letters

>>61327261
It came out like 4 days ago, I bought it on launch day. It should fit.

>>61327241
ur sister has a tight screw hole

>>61327241
I have a fairly nice case i think s340 elite

>>61327288
tighter than ur mum for sure
also, Sandisk > Kingston, Kingston is not only shit they're super duper shit

>>61327237
i would do 550 minimum. I think sapphire rates the 580 nitro at 500 watt psu on their site i think

>>61327314
Fuck that. 750W just to be safe.

>>61327314
I have a 550 and I have zero issues I wish I would have gotten a 650 but ill survive. Can't go wrong with 750 but if you can find a 550-650 for a good deal i would grab it.

Judge me
Not pictured: gtx 780 from friend and sg13 case

>>61327230
Don't snap the drive putting it in.

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>>61327365
Fuark

>>61327314
>>61327318
>>61327350
Thanks guys, I'll size up if I can find a deal

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>>61327381
it's going to be smol
it's going to be cute
it's going to be HAYAI

>>61327377
Done plenty of laptop RAM swaps, so hopefully the force required will be similar.

>>61327105
>that huge gap
shit how will AMD even recover

>>61327381
What case?

Was just going to buy a Maingear PC since I've probably more cash than time these days. How much are they going to rape me? I mainly want the liquid cooling aspect, since that seems super complicated, and I don't want to spill liquid on high end parts. Is the VYBE worth it?

>>61327461
You will spend more time maintaining an open loop system than you will building your own system with a CLC

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>>61327438
By pushing MORE CORES

>>61327446
Silverstone
Sg13wb

>>61327237
Can I fit a small liquid cooler in that ML08B case or is there no space for a radiator?

>>61323055
im an intel fag, but now i just realized how i lost the opportunity for not buying ryzen. Now i have to switch from intel to amd, ryzen is pretty much top of the line compare to intel, not to mentioned the master cooler of the stock cooler of amd is much good than the intel one. Hard to admit but its also cheaper than most of the cpus, heck ryzen 7 is very good in terms of performance like video editing and so on. I really should have waited for ryzen instead buying that intel crap that i am using, fuck me

>>61327616
Check the specs. The manufacturer says what size they fit

>>61328119
>now i just realized how i lost the opportunity for not buying ryzen.
So? Save the PSU, storage drives, and PC case. Sell everything else at a loss. Ryzen CPU + RAM + motherboard is probably cheaper at this point.

Turns out I was blacklisted on userbenchmark when I was comparing my old CPU to a Ryzen 7 1700.
I was on it just fine an hour ago. What gives?

>>61328285
Nevermind, I think it was because I had cookies disabled when I was browsing.

all the parts have arrived guys. planning to assemble my first computer on sat

totally expecting to fuck it up desu

Reminder that if you got the cash, the 7820x is amazing and the best gayming CPU period.
>Great single core, close to 7700k
>Destroys Poozen in multithreaded workloads
Yeah it runs hot, but so did the 9590 and you faggots still bought it,

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Radiator question

I have a 7700k and H100i V2 AIO liquid cooler on the way and this is my first time using an AIO so I want to get the placement right. Since I have an evga 1080 gpu it sounds like front radiator placement would be the best for the cpu cooler right? And beyond that, does push vs pull have any real difference in that case for the rad?

>>61328395
Post a thread on /g/ or post intermittently on /pcbg/ so I can laugh at you sweating.

>>61322825
>be me, june
>buy https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/tZXzyc
>cucked by worldwide DRAM shortage thanks to Applel and ""smart""phone companies
>shipping is ass
>lose two of my packages because they put them in wrong PO box
>after 3 days, put parts together
>the aio took like 30 minutes to screw onto the fan and case, plus the stupid tubing is right over the 8 pin CPU connector slot
>take another 15 minutes to plug in in said wires
>try to overclock on latest bios revision
>VALIDATED SAMSUNG B-DIE MEMORY REFUSES TO OC AT ALL
>CPU CANT POST WITH A 50MHz OC
Goddamn what do i do, please give me advice, never OC'd before

>>61328446
what's the default frequency of the RAM? 2400?

>>61328446
Should've just gone Intel. Ryzen is just Sandy Bridge with moar cores.

>>61328454
2133, take like 200 mhz or so
>>61328459
Wanted to try something new

>>61327237
Why are you buying a CPU cooler with your 1600?
The 1600 comes with a Wraith Spire Cooler.

>>61328514
case is too thin to fit a wraith spire
going for mini-itx in a tiny box, and I don't like the aesthetics of the fat cubes

>>61327493

This is what it says on their website:

>With options for maintenance-free closed loop liquid cooling, the MAINGEAR VYBE allows gamers and PC enthusiasts to crank up all settings to high and load up multiple applications all while staying cool and virtually silent. All that adds up to make it the perfect system for serious Twitch streamers and YouTubers.

>>61328645
If you don't want an open loop then just build your own instead of getting gouged.

Just assembled everything, my pc boots up fine. Only thing is I noticed the fan in my case isn't working and I don't know why. Is it that big of a deal?

>>61328119
Unless you need the cores RIGHT NOW, why wouldn't you just wait for Zen2? I mean an i7 6700k/7700k is definitely going to last you at least two years, maybe more. It's not like you have to redo your entire build, plenty of people edit videos on 4C/8T. You'd have to ask yourself is it worth trying to sell your CPU+mobo on Craigslist and buying a new CPU/mobo and reinstalling Windows just for slightly better Blender performance.

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why are windows and speccy showing two different RAM speeds? Which one is correct? What am I doing wrong here?

>>61328689
What do you have it connected to on your motherboard?

>>61325173
>being a corelet in 2017
It's obvious

>>61328718
That is dual channel RAM. Rub your two brain cells together and multiply 1064 by 2 to get real RAM speed.

>>61328726
It's just connected to the psu. Nowhere to plug in on the motherboard

>>61328805
rub rub rub rub

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC9HFO8/ref=psdc_1292115011_t1_B00P0EQD1Q

Should I get this or just go to 1440?

I like playing some older games, like dawn of war

>>61328815
nononononononono don't do this
you risk starting a fire
fan is supposed to connect to the motherboard, there are tiny little labels on the motherboard that say FAN

>>61328882
Is this bait?

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>>61328446
>gigabyte B350 board

There's your problem

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9HJ2Cy
Some notes before you people bust my balls
Nvme isn't going to be a boot drive, but scratch drive
M.2 ssd because it's only a little More than a 2.5, and sata speeds are ok with me. The form factor is a lot nicer for the case
980ti sli is because I fucking can, also a pretty cheap way to play the one game I play at 4k

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>>61328893
are you a fanlet?

>>61328805
The RAM speed doesn't get magically faster in dual-channel. It just has double the bandwidth. The MHz doesn't suddenly increase.

Rub your brain cells together and tell me why a stick of RAM might be reported to have (wait for it)...
*D*ouble
*D*ata
*R*ate

I'm probably going to pick up a R7, but I have to ditch my old DDR3 RAM sticks and motherboard.

Are there any good motherboard recommendations?

>>61328977
Do you need more electrolytes?
Look at his image again. Speccy doesn't post the real numbers compared to task manager.

>>61328962
my fan only has 3 pin slots...the ones on the motherboard have 4

>>61328997
Astute observation. You're very perceptive.
Now tell me how that explains why dual-channel bandwidth suddenly doubles the operating frequency of RAM.

Spoiler: it doesn't. Something else does. Can you guess what it is? It's a tech that's been in computers for well over a decade now, and retards all over the web continue to misunderstand what it means, and how some programs see it.

>>61329034
Dual channel bandwidth isn't Double Data Rate you fucking moron

>>61329057
Who are you quoting?

>>61329028
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1744859/case-fans-pin-motherboard-pin.html

>>61329028
That's normal. Read your motherboard manual.

When are they going to ship new graphic cards? I am getting frustrated not getting answers from AMD and Nvidia

>>61329105
They just did. You were too late, they sold out in minutes.

>>61329105
Don't get your hopes up over mining. It's not over yet.

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>>61329114
I wonder who profits most from the meme currency boom

>>61329105

>>61326661
>>61327173

l m a o

>>61328962
Are you retarded? You can use a molex adapter to plug your fans into the psu. It's a common practice.

>>61329142
Doesn't turn on his case. inb4 he put the molex wrong side up.

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Is this worth it

>>61329146
>molex
>wrong side up

I'm really being baited here aren't I

>>61329127
It's an open question how good this is for AMD/NVIDIA and AIB partners. Certainly not all roses.

>>61329164
Considering the price of the RX 580 being really fucking marked up, it's actually not bad. Just slap an SSD in there and remove all the bloatware installed.

>>61329057
Yeah, that's what he's trying to explain, you stupid fuck.

>get a memecard
>it's bottlenecked by old Phenom X4 CPU
>unsure if I should upgrade, finding very little motivation to get a ryzen or whatever
oh well

>>61329164
not awful actually considering people are selling the rx 580 alone for that price

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>>61329165
oh boy I wonder what gave it away

>>61329185
Upgrade, it's time to move on to the next Jim Keller approved CPU.

>>61329146
>>61329057
>>61329028
>>61328977
>>61328815
>>61328718
These posts really fucking annoy me

>>61329266
Don't respond to retardation then. It will only give you a headache.

Ayy lads my I bought my Ryzen 5 1600 for $140 new on amazon. Thing is I wasn't careful enough to realize that it was shipping from fucking Taiwan. Should I be worried about the quality of the unit?
Also, I'm unable to track the fucker but supposedly it'll arrive within this week. Did I do something foolish?

>>61329164
It's not terrible.
Wish they had made it an 8GB RX 580, with maybe a 256 M.2 SSD and a 1tb harddrive.
But if that was the case I would have already bought it.

>>61329295
AMD loves Taiwan. You're getting it straight from the Asian factory.

>>61329295
Worst, or best, case just cry to Amazon that it didn't arrive.

>>61329295
Enjoy your Athlon 64.

>>61329295
>Ryzen 5 1600 for $140 new on amazon
what? link?

>>61329127
AMD and Nvidia don't really benefit since they sell GPU's at the same price regardless and it doesn't increase "gaming" marketshare. AMD might sell a lot of cards but that doesn't increase the number of AMD users on Steam survey or on benchmark submissions so any marketshare increase isn't visible. The main benefactors are AIB's to some extent, but mostly reselllers/retail and scalpers.

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>problem
>after problem
>after fucking problem
>mobo is dead
>RAM not supported
>CPU dead?
>test everything I can
>can't test mobo, CPU, or three flavors of RAM I buy to test with, one of which IS on the Qvl list
>buy new mobo
>problems
>drop microATX altogether, buy new mobo and tower
>put everything together (fuck me sideways flash gaming case with a goddamn lot of cables)
>power
>not even the fans come on, no lights, nothing
>scream

>do some testing today
>take PSU from working computer (ten years old)
>put in new case, mobo
>lights come on, fans spin up
??? this PSU was working a week ago!
>take PSU out
>test it for a lark outside the box
>works
???
>put it back in
>works
>transfer CPU over from where I was testing it with other mobo with other case
>forget to take fan power cable out first
>shitty AMD4 socket lets the CPU out with the fan
>cable pulls tight, drop fan, lands on CPU
>pins bent
>new mobo and tower will now power up but "CPU not found/failed" light on mobo on
I just want to scream. It got through like a dozen mobo/case swaps intact and finally this is what actually kills it, and it would have been fine if my PSU hadn't just been playing dead. Please mock and subscribe.

Fractal Design Define R5 - it's a midi tower, is it big enough for me? I don't plan on installing watercooling or anything like that. Just want to make sure it'll fit any reasonable GPU released in the coming 2-5 years

>>61329392
The Define R5 is fucking huge. Weighs a ton too thanks to the sound dampening material.

>>61329412
That's nice.

It ships with two fans and supports installing up to 9 (!). Should I buy MOAR FANS (1? 2?). I'm going for a Ryzen 1700 build, will OC it to like 3.7 on a stock cooler. Will buy a proper GPU when I can.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ntFyzM

>inb4 i7 7700k is only for your wife's son

>>61329449
>paying for windows 10 for your wife's son

R1600 or R1700 for gaming?
The Amazon price is $70 different today.

>>61329458
> ooh anon why are you not pirating a software in which is completely essential to your pc experience
what could go wrong

>>61329493
nothing? install gentoo

>>61329493
Buy a cheaper key else where

>>61329461
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ntFyzM
1080p 60hz gaming?
Realistically you probably won't get enough use out of the extra 2 cores from the 1700 for gaming. The majority of games aren't even designed to use 6 cores because likely <10% of their marketshare has anything more than a 4core. Also more cores = more power = your room gets warmer.
Unless you want to start streaming on twitch, or doing some video editting or whatever else I'd just go with the 1600.

>>61329512
>more cores = more power = your room gets warmer.
only true for intel now
check the TDP of R5 and R7

>>61329449
>>61329458
>>61329493
>>61329502
>>61329507
so is anyone actually give advice on the build or are we going to continue being gentoo cucks?

>>61329533
Real advice moron. Go buy a key from allkeysite or kinguin.

>>61329533
Yes, you can literally save $100 by skipping Windows.

>>61329299
They have a similar build with 8GB Rx 580 in Amazon. Costs 900 though

>>61329434
I wouldn't bother with more than 3-4. Two intakes in the front, one exhaust in the back and maybe another intake in the floor if you feel like it.

will 4gb + 8gb ram always work or do i need to make sure something matches between them or something in my BIOS?

>>61329584
I see. I guess I'll go with standard 2 (front and back) for now, but I'll look into getting two more. 2 in the front really would make lots of sense.

>>61329539
>>61329540
thanks

>>61329527
Glorious 65W TDP on R5

Can Gentoo run Chrome?

Are there any ""good"" pc parts for Prime day? I keep looking and not seeing anything special, but feel as if I'm overlooking/missing some things.

>>61329758
LEDs to enhance your PC gaming experience

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What's the best (white) motherboard and RAM combo for a 1700? I'd like to hit 3200mhz on the RAM, preferably with a B350 mobo with decent VRMs because I'm not gonna SLI.

>>61329758
Ryzen 1700 is on sale for $269

>>61330005
there's a white MSI B350

>>61330019
Would it be worth it to buy it? I saw the 1700X is $299. Would that be even better, or just get the 1700?

>>61330178
1700, 1700x and 1800x are all basically identical once overclocked.

Technically, the 1700x and 1800x are "binned" to a higher standard, meaning you might be able to reach higher overclocks at lower voltage, but that's not always the case in the real world.

In practice, as long as you overclock, the three chips are essentially identical and the 1700 represents the best value, plus it comes with a free cooler.

>>61330178
Honestly I would go with the 1700x if you intend to OC and have a decent cooler already

>>61330266
>>61330019
Is there any actual difference between the 1700 and the 1700x aside from the 1700 coming with a free cooler? And being cheaper?

Okay, so what do people think of this?
https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/iBUYPOWER-Snowblind-Pro
Solid build, decent price.
But most of all
LCD case so you can cycle through shit tier memes while you play.

>almost everything comes in the mail
>spend the evening assembling and cable routing
>finished and on the desk, power cables all in, monitor and mouse ready to go
>powers on, fans hum, posts, whines about no boot media selected, it's all good
>can't do jack shit because the first part I ordered two weeks ago, the keyboard, still hasn't arrived yet

Newegg, why.

>>61330332
Ryzen build? What RAM?

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>>61330197
What about if somebody's not wanting to overclock?

>>61330407
Then buy the 1600. X just means the chip runs cooler

>>61330407
If you don't want to touch the BIOS settings at all get the 1700X. The 1800X is like $100 more for a 200MHz higher base clock, it's not worth it.

>>61330407
Just overclock. Honestly, not saying it as a cop-out answer, but it's EXTREMELY easy and takes maybe 10 minutes of research to do effectively.

Literally type in "(your motherboard company) 1700 Overclock" in youtube and a guy will break it down step by step in the same BIOS interface you'll be using. For a basic overclock, it's as simple as changing the number "3.0" to "3.7." Takes maybe 15 seconds.

To get higher than 3.7, you simply up the voltage slightly. If the voltage was too high and your computer won't boot, put it back down a decimal point. Repeat until it boots and stays stable.

>>61330435
>>61330462
Thank you both for your help.

>>61330589
Would changing it from 3.0 to 3.7 cause the voltage to increase enough that a temperature change would be noticeable? I just don't want to fry anything by accident because I'm new to PC building. This'll be my first one.

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>>61330374
Is not super pretty, but it's by far the nicest piece of computer I've ever owned.
>Ryzen R7 1700
>16GB 3200MHz G.Skill Flare
>1050Ti (thanks for ruining GPUs, minerfags)
>ASRock Taichi Motherboard
>Seasonic Platinum PSU
>250GB Samsung 960 M.2 SSD
>2TB WD Black
>Fractal Define R5
>Giant Noctua cooler

>>61328446
So i followed this leddit guide becauseit was the best thing i could find.
>basically if you hate reddit, i set it to 3.825GHz, dynamic vcore to +0.078, and vcore soc to +0.258
Everything posts and works fine. Thing is, the voltage is wayyy off, its about 1.44, give about 0.11 if stresstesting. Anyone have any advice?

>>61330701
Nice. I'm going to build a very similar PC, though with a weaker GPU for now and an MSI B350 motherboard.

>>61330677
Going from 3.0 to 3.7 won't affect the voltage by default. It will simply affect the clock speed. As long as you have a decent cooler (the cooler that comes with the 1700 is more than sufficient), then it won't be a problem and the performance gains will be big. Voltage is a separate multiplier and only needs to be messed with for extreme overclocks. You also can't fry your system by overclocking. That hasn't been possible since over a decade ago. If somehow you manage to mess something up, the system will simply shut down to prevent damage well before any actual damage can be done.

1700x doesn't come with a cooler so you also have to factor in the cost of a 3rd party cooler when buying the 1700x.

>>61330701
holy drive cage

>>61330760
The drive cages in the Fractal R5 are
the only thing I don't like too. You can only screw one side of the white trays in, so the other side is free to wobble and vibrate. Very poor choice for a silent focused case. I took out the middle one so there's a fuckton of empty space.

>>61330747
Get a window case. I didn't get a window case, and I kind of wish I got a window case.

>>61330747
>weaker GPU
why? 1050Ti is the cheapest thing you should even be considering

>>61330798
Why window case? So I could monitor if my coolers are working? Won't it influence the noise levels?

>>61330800
A friend is going to lend me an old 2Gb card, which will be enough until I earn more money and hopefully the prices will be lower by then.

My S340 arrives tomorrow and I'm asking for advice on how to balance the pressure.

By default it's 2 120m included of 4 fans are mounted to the rear and top as exhaust. Until I grab additional fans or a water block, who knows, would it be better to move both to front intake or one intake and one exhaust?

>>61330755
Thank you for your help, Anon. I really appreciate it.
Would you consider the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO to be a cooler that would do a good job of cooling the 1700X?

I currently have an i7 4790k, so I'm a few generations behind. I was wondering if It's worth making the jump to new architecture or is the performance increase not worth it? Not sure how much ddr4, newer CPU's etc. matter or will matter in the future.

>>61330860
7700K is a little faster but it's not worth the upgrade since you'll need a new mobo and DDR4 RAM. Ryzen has moar cores and great price to performance, but again you'll need to buy a whole system. If your computer's running fine I wouldn't bother unless you really want more cores for productivity.

>>61330840
212 evo is more than enough. great cooler for the price. just be aware that since ryzen is new, and uses the new AM4 socket, most 3rd party cpu coolers don't include the bracket for connecting to AM4 motherboards. You could just call or email Cooler Master and theyd probably ship you a bracket for free, but using the cooler that comes with the 1700 will be less hassle.

212 evo is definitely a better cooler, though. Youll be fine with whichever you choose,

>>61330701
it's beautiful ;_;

What's a good speaker brand to look for?

What's a good set of speakers liable to run?

>>61330963
Awesome. I may go for the 212 Evo then. Thank you so much again.

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>found a cheap new oem on ali
>can't find specs
>contact seller to know what max res it supports
>"1080p if you monitor supports it"
Fucking dropped. Not because it supports only 1080p but because this faggot assumed I don't even know that the screen must support it in order to be used. I'm pissed, it triggered my autism.

/rant

Best cases for watercooling?

I have an old GTX 670 and a Dell S2415H monitor. I want to go dual screens but I'm not sure if I should get a second 2 year old monitor, buy a new monitor and run non matching screens, or shell out the cash for two new monitors.

I've only ever run 1080 screens, but am open to moving to higher res.

What should I do, /g/?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2WtbgL
What do you think?

>>61331252
Dual screen is worth only if one is much bigger than the other in my opinion, I use tv + monitor setup, tv wall-mounted in front at 12 and screen at 14 on desk and looks fine, both 1080p.
What's your budget? I would recommend to get matching screens if you want a symmetric setup, purely for aesthetics. You could always try to sell your old screen or buy an used one of the same brand if you like it.

What's /g/ think of the Logitech G403? It's on sale for Prime day and I need a new mouse anyways. Is the quality good enough, or is it shit?

Currently using all 6 of my sata ports (one m.2, 5 other regular sata).

How do I add more sata ports that give me the full individual(non-raid) sata speeds?
One of these rights?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010010073%201187117620%20100168119%20600022029%20600553146

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ARE THE 570 (((4GB))) ANY GOOD?

I'm building a rig from scratch (only have HDD's), and I'm finding Gigabyte 570's in combo deals with other components everywhere for basically market price of both of them combined.

>>61331465
A single PCIe Gen1.0 lane is about 250MB/s
PCIe Gen 2.0 is double that at 500MB/s
SATA3 tops out at 750MB/s

You'll need at least two PCIe Gen 2.0 lanes for a single full-spec SATA3 connection. You also have to look up the controller on those SATA cards. Some of them might have four PCIe Gen2.0 lanes, but the controllers are only designed to use one or two lanes themselves, which limit bandwidth and render the extra lanes power-only, not data+power.

Looking at 4 lanes PCIe SATA adapters is a good place to start looking. Anything less is probably going to throttle with more than one SATA SSD.

>>61330984
I have a pair of harmon-kardon speakers that are almost as old as I am. Ze german engeering is stronk.

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>>61331509
570 4GB is the best value card that exists and provide excellent performance still

>>61331560
So should I go for it? I need a PSU anyway and this one is fully modular but I don't know much about gigabyte

price breakdown is 230+105 for psu

>>61331336
Hey? Can someone review my list?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2WtbgL

>>61331594
>230
230 isn't normal price of a 570 though

>>61331634
Looks good but why not upping to an R5 1600 ig you're already getting a GTX 1070 for futureproofing?

>>61331662
Figured their was a catch.
So sub 200 is normal I'm guessing? I haven't paid attention to price tiers since the before the 900 series and everything is fucked.

Am i better off waiting until next week for 6GB 1060s to get back in stock (prepay at 250ish)?

I'm really just trying to high/max out at 1080P for right now, on an AM4 so I at least stay in a relevent socket for zen and zen2

>>61331524
I'm looking to add like, four more drives and want them all to run full speed(arch linux btw)

so I should get some x4+ lane pcie sata one?

>>61331724
The 570 is priced at $170 - $180 at normal prices. For $230 you'd be better putting more money to get a GTX 1060 6GB

>>61331729
4 SSDs?
Just multiply 4 * 750MB/s = 3000MB/s
And then divide 3000MB/s by 500MB/s = 6
You'll need at least 6 lanes of PCIe Gen2.0 to fully support 4 SATA3 ports being saturated by 4 SSDs.
More realistically, you'll need a PCIe Gen2.0 HBA card with controller supporting at least one SAS 6Gbps port.

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Would it be advisable to fit an 11th 8 TB HDD in a pc-Q26 case, like so, and if I was determined to do so, what precautions could I take to make it safe?

What kind of wait times am I looking at for getting an rx580 off Amazon?

>>61331780
i... is this what i want? what if I don't want raid?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118235R&cm_re=8_port_sata_III_pci_card-_-16-118-235R-_-Product

>>61331807
Months

>>61331792
Anchor it with ducktape.

>>61331807
You'll probably have to wait until August. Contact them and ask, though.

>>61322825
Is Seagate Barracuda a good harddisk? I want to use it as storage and I have a limited budget so I prefer cheaper one with bigger size.

>>61331861
What's the model number?

>>61331844
>LSI 9341-8i
Woo nelly, that controller is something else
That RAID card needs a CPU that doesn't have an iGPU, since it needs to access the memory space normally reserved for an iGPU. And yes, it's a RAID card.

You want any card with the LSI 9300-4i or 8i. That's an HBA card without the reserved memory nonesense. You can also look into the LSI 9207-4i or 8i that uses an older controller designed for the SAS 6Gbps protocol.

>>61331949
alright where can I read up about this stuff because now we got "SAS" in the mix and i dont know shit about that

I just want more sata ports man

>>61331961
I just told you what controllers to search for.
I'm not spoonfeeding you any more than I already have. Knowing SAS controllers and their limitations should be common knowledge.

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>>61331961
I just bought this thing, which has good reviews: https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101792

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>>61331977
Sas??
I just have some sata drives man I'm a brainlet about that business-archival looking stuff

I just want some more sata ports man I figure that would be a somewhat common demand but everything is either raid or some new acronym ive never heard of.

>>61331977
Marvell 9480 controllers are hardware-assisted RAID controllers, so they're not entirely hardware ROC. The 9485 controllers are HBA controllers without the faux hardware RAID nonsense, and is much cheaper.

>>61332019
Nigger, just look up HBA cards and filter by "PCIe Gen 2 8 lanes" and "1 SAS"

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>>61332019
You need to use SAS to SATA adapters, known as forward breakout cables.
>>61332032
>Marvell 9480 controllers are hardware-assisted RAID controllers, so they're not entirely hardware ROC. The 9485 controllers are HBA controllers without the faux hardware RAID nonsense, and is much cheaper.
Should I cancel my order? The cheaper SATA port expanders all had various problems, from the reviews I read. This one had good reviews and wasn't super expensive like the LSI HBAs I looked at. This is me, I'm building a zfs box >>61331792

>>61332062
So SAS is just a special cable type that puts four sata cables into one neat plug in my case is all?
It's pretty much just four sata cables in one and they can all plug into different drives?

>>61332062
>Should I cancel my order?
Nah, but just keep in mind that if you want to enable RAID on the card later, you're going to experience performance loss writing to the RAID storage.
Marvell SAS controllers are the AMD of storage controllers. LSI is usually the more robust and higher-performing choice

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>>61323055
>i7 7700k housefire
>amd shill

>>61332109
>So SAS is just a special cable type that puts four sata cables into one
KYS
SAS is its own separate protocol that has backwards compatibility with SATA. It is not designed solely to be broken up into SATA protocol.

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>>61332111
>Nah, but just keep in mind that if you want to enable RAID on the card later, you're going to experience performance loss writing to the RAID storage.
I'm doing software raidz3 (at least, that's my plan) so I specifically chose a card that expands the SATA ports without having hardware RAID capabilities, which is unneeded and to be avoides, for zfs.

>>61332116
Running stock there won't be any housefire. Ryzen aren't overclocked without coolers either, and they're comparatively worse at frequency increases and scaling up with voltage.

I shouldn't bother, all you're going to do is drop some Reddit images with happy merchants.

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>>61332167
>pls dont buy amd
go back to r/intel pajeet