/pcbg/ - PC Building General

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H32ktJ r8

I need to mine cryptocurrency, where is the best place to buy cheap video cards?

>>61307182
BestBuy

>>61306267
Bump

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Low budget NAS, 18 TB (Raid 5)

r8

First for cable management is sorcery.
I've built 6 or 7 computers and every time, the cables are too long and bulge the side case if I try to hide them. Even when using a fully modular PSU, the cables have excess connectors. Oh, and there's no chance in hell of routing the PSU mobo cable behind the side cover. It's too damn thicc.
And how the hell should I route the fan cables? They always seem to dangle through the case like vines and the connectors end up sitting at the bottom of the case and it's ugly.

Best hard drive to get? Was gonna get an HGST refurb as it has the best price/gb, but a decent amount of reviews list them as doa or loud. Used WD Blue in the past but they have some of the slower read/write speeds and are overpriced past 1tb drives.

>>61307248
Is Seagate trustworthy now?

>>61307400
I don't know, but with the low price and raid 5, if they start failing fast, i could always replace the failing ones with WD Red and lesson learned

>>61307248
>Seagate Archives
Ditch them unless you're only writing to the RAID array once. Those use SMR platters, which causes excessive write wear. They also slow down to a crawl if you write files larger than the cache portion of the drive or if you try to do multiple write operations to the array.
Those drives are marketed as "Archive" storage because of how shitty and short-lasting SMR drives are for normal usage.

>>61307400
All HDD manufacturers have roughly the same reliability. Just make sure to check your drives before putting them to use. Pre-clear them and do a full format.

>>61307259
Get an actual case not a tinfoil box.

>>61307475
>Ditch them unless you're only writing to the RAID array once.
I'm going to write 300 gb / month, and read 1.5 tb / month. What would you suggest instead if I may ask? You seem to know stuff about disks

Currently have an EVGA GTX 970 and it's doing pretty well. However I'm a linux user and every time I try to use a new distro it just gives me problems on install and I'm tired of it. I'm looking at some AMD cards but wonder which are worth upgrading to for an actual upgrade. The 970 is a little old but still capable. I mostly want it for the OpenCl power and video editing. I'm not using adobe shit, mostly open source, free programs.

Where is the quake machines guide?

why are you doing a disservice to single mom's budgets? stop being evil /g/

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Any advice /g/? It's time for me to upgrade and I'm on an 1150 mobo. Do I upgrade to the 1151 or would Ryzen be the way to go? Are there pros and cons to either the newer gen Intels or Ryzens? Or should I wait until Intel responds to Ryzen?

>>61307542
>I'm going to write 300 gb / month
Sequential writes? Or smaller/random writes? If they're largely sequential writes (files larger than 1MB) I think you're fine with SMR drives then, as long as you don't constantly hammer the array with writes. The controller in the SMR drives tend to be smart about where they store data in order to prevent itself from deleting underlying tracks unnecessarily.

>>61307553
No AMD cards are really an upgrade. The RX 580 isn't considerably faster except where the added VRAM is a consideration.
Not that it matters, since you can't buy one anyway.

>>61307649
>No AMD cards are really an upgrade
Used Fiji, nigger

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Is this ok for a cheapo ITX PC that I want to use at friend's houses for LAN parties? I already own a spare GTX 960 which I was going to use as the GPU.

>>61307693
No, I'll only recommend an FM2+ CPU to people who are trying to learn how to overclock.
Bentium G4560 and an H110 or B250 motherboard.

>>61307665
The Fury is not only a power-guzzling behemoth, but also barely worth considering. The performance is around 1070 level.
Unless you are VRAM starved, you'd be looking at a 1080, possibly RX Vega (assuming it's a better showing than FE) for a notable performance bump over a 970.

Again, not that it matters, since even Fury is also impossible to find at a price worth buying.

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>>61307120
>filename

Is overclocking hard? I am newb at computers and overclocking.

Specifically the 1700 which I am thinking to pair with a NH-D15?

>>61307612
It's a bunch of file, once a week, every file is 80-90 MB. For the httpd logs I have the ssd. Actually, I could mount the whole array as read only, and remount it to rw once a week to deposit my new files

16GB single stick or dual 8GB sticks

>>61307751
It used to be a little harder 5 years ago or so, especially AMD CPU's which let you modify 1000 different values. Both Intel and Ryzen are incredibly easy nowadays though, just follow any guide on the internet.

>>61307791
Always get two sticks so you can utilize double data rate.

>>61307770
>Actually, I could mount the whole array as read only, and remount it to rw once a week to deposit my new files
Do it, although you may need an SSD cache to speed things up a bit

>>61307120
r8 my fully free as in freedom librebootable build:
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-G41M-ES2L
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q660
RAM: The 8 GB of dell ram that I have in my Optiplex. (half dell half some other kind)
Video Card: No videi card. (I'm not sure what sort of graphics card works with libreboot)
CPU Cooler: Cooler master hyper T2
Storage: 250GB hard drive I got out of an old HP desktop
PSU: Corsair CX550M
Optipical Drive: old one I got out of Optiplex
Case: Not sure. Probally some old one I allready have.

>>61307817
>speed things up
dude I'm putting everything on amazon these days :D :D :DDD

* but the traffic costs are bankrupting me

>>61307792
arigatou.

>>61307823
That CPU doesn't have an integrated gpu. You need a graphics card free boy.

Ok so i got a big discount on an amazon "warehouse deals" used 1080ti, is there any way for me to test whether it's been abused by it's previous owner?
Just overnight stability testing or what? I just don't want it to die on me in a year.
Got it for 660€ btw. Considering new retail ones go for 800-900€ i'm happy with the price.

>>61308071
What type works with absolutely no propietary drivers? Also are you sure it has no graphics? I use a Q660 and a old radeon with no drivers and it works just fine

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Pls help fast.

I'm about to buy two GTX 480's for the memes, but do they support Dual Link DVI? I have one of those Korean monitors with no scaler (Qnix QX2710) which will only accept a signal from DVI, if you plug anything else in it just goes through test images. I'm kind of thick about how these work, at the minute I'm running my monitor off a DVI-D port, looks like a 480 only has DVI-I, will it work?

Pic related is the outputs if it helps, thanks.

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>>61308183

>two GTX 480's

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262896694740
Looks like a good price, should I do it?

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would i be able to fit a full sized evga gtx 1070, 600w+ psu and a ryzen micro atx mobo into this case if i remove the cd/dvd drive slot and do some general DIY?

want to move my components to a smaller case so it's more easily transportable and i have this pc case already

So what are the founders editions for the 1070 and 1080? Are they just memes that I should avoid at all costs? They seem relatively cheap online right now.

>>61308286
PSU I'm not sure about, length wise a a GPU like that should fit, it's thickness is what you want to worry about. Looks like the case is only twice the height of an IO shield, if it does fit it will be one hell of a tight fit.

t. once cut up a prebuilt case to put a 7970 in it

>>61308331
They are memes. Unless you have an utterly shit case and need the heat to vent straight out the back, just buy something else.

The S340's default configuration is 2x120mm pre-mounted as rear/top exhaust.

Going for just air cooled, and until I get fans for the remaining two slots, is rear exhaust and front intake a better configuration?

Also, for the new front fans, would it be better to match the CFM of the exhausts by getting 2x120s or getting 2x140s for positive pressure?

>>61308286
You need a mITX or a really rare dual PCIe slot mATX board for that chassis, phampai
only a single slot card will fit in there, since the 16x slot is on the "bottom" of the board, getting in the way of the chassis itself.

You're fucked.

>>61308183
p-pls respond, the listing is about to end on ebay in 10mins.

>>61308376
Better to have push/pull imo.
I'd go for the largest fans the case was meant to mount. Quieter, or more CFM for the same mount.

>>61308425
Going multi-GPU is retarded. I wouldn't do it. You have wonky gains and limited support. And a larger power draw.
I have no idea about DVI.

>>61308450
>Going multi-GPU is retarded
I know, I'm just picking up two cheap meme cards to see if SLI is total garbage or not, I've never used it.

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>>61308337
it's about 3.7inches thick from a quick measurement. there is a lot of headroom above the cooler and the cooler is pretty much identical to that ryzen stealth one so no worries there i think.

>>61308388
would something like pic related not fit? it looks almost the same as the current mobo in there in terms of the slot placements. if i remove the cd/dvd drive i should be able to have full sized ram sticks too

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Hello everyone, I'm thinking about buying this: https://www.arctic.ac/de_de/accelero-xtreme-iii.html
for my pic related. What am I in for? Is it hard to install a new GPU cooler (or remove the reference one from nvidia), or is it about as easy as replaying your CPU cooler?
Also can I use the same thermal paste I used for my CPU?

Are m.2 nvme drives worth it? I'm planning to build a new pc soon to use for video and photo editing. I was thinking about using an m.2 drive for OS and as a scratch disk for premiere and after effects. Will it make editing software run faster than on sata ssd?

>OH NO! We have accidentally made a CPU thats incredibly popular and are selling well everywhere! What should we do?
>Stop the sales!
>Intel

https://www.techpowerup.com/235035/intel-pentium-g4560-cannibalizing-core-i3-sales-company-effectively-kills-it?cp=2#comments

>>61308471
>I'm just picking up two cheap meme cards to see if SLI is total garbage or not
Allow me to save you the money: it is, and don't do it. The scaling isn't there, the support isn't there, but the heat and power draw certainly is.
SLI/CF was never good, then or now.

>>61308495
NVME drives are ideal for scratch disks etc because of their immense speed. You would get most out of your build to have a regular SSD for windows and applications, and dedicate the NVME disc as a scratch disk etc.

>>61308479
It's probably wasted time anyway honestly. Just start a mITX build from scratch in one of these super small cases. It's gonna be much less trouble and you'll spend about the same money eventually.
What are you trying to do with it anyway?

>>61308479
Definitely not
The cut-off for the top of the case is right under the second PCIe slot. Look at the gap between the end of that AB350M-HDV board and the second PCIe slot. You can fit another PCIe slot in that gap.
Mini ITX is your best (and - as far as AM4 is concerned, your only) bet

>>61307120
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RbyHgL

I don't plan on going past $1100 with my first build. I won't be using this for games, but rather Blender/3dCoat modeling, programming, and Paint Tool SAI stuff. Light video editing as well. The build is Linux-based, and would also be running a RAID 10 setup.

Since this is my first build, I just want to know of anything I should consider getting instead. The GPU I decided to buy just went off of market here, but I have good faith it will come back once this whole "fork 3 more new altcoins every week just to say you own one" fad dies over. Regardless, I'm not the best with GPU's so if i should get something else please let me know.

Also, I need a new monitor and I can't decide between https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NZTKOQI/ref=twister_B01MRVSSRL?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 and https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149QBOF0/ref=psdc_1292115011_t2_B00P0EQD1Q so help with that would be appreciated too.

>>61308542
>RX560
Good luck.

>>61308567
Do you think it's off the market (affordably) for good?

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>>61308484

>What am I in for?

The only other aftermarket air cooler than competes with the raijintek morpheus.

> Is it hard to install a new GPU cooler (or remove the reference one from nvidia),

As long as you RTFM and are methodical sure. Just don't get frustrated it doesn't instantling doesn't disassembly like a replicator hit with a P90 round and use a crowbar.

>Also can I use the same thermal paste I used for my CPU?

Yes.

>>61308530
>What are you trying to do with it anyway?

to be able to take my pc between home and university. i understand that i could just leave my pc at home and use a laptop and a games console as a more optimal setup but i'm not a fan of consoles personally and i also do some premiere pro production on the side as a hobby which would probably kill any cheap laptop other than the really high end macbooks or whatever.

>>61308524
Unfortunately I don't have the budget for another ssd. I can either get 32gb ddr4 ram and one SSD or 16gb and 2 SSD's. Considering that I won't be working with 4k footage that much will nvme make noticeable difference for me?
Right now my planned build is
Ryzen 1700x
32gb 2400 DDR 4
1tb hhd for storage and 250gb ssd for dual booting windows and Linux.

>>61308534
will a mini itx mobo fit in this case with the gpu, you think? i honestly don't mind taking power tools to this thing.

>>61308524
Also how do you deal with nvme drives heating up? And how is they're reliability compared to SATA ssd?

>>61308639
Their*

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>>61308616
LianLi TU100 is your friend.
If you don't like that one you can go with the Fractal meme 202 or whatever it's called.
Drop your shit in there and have a blast.

>>61308630
It's not worth it. I forgot to mention that you have half-height PCIe slots. ALL GTX 1050 Tis and up are full-height PCIe or larger.
A half-height GTX 1050 or RX 550 is your only option.

Which GPU can handle 3 4k monitors?

>>61308666
>>61308686
right, ok. thanks for the help.

>>61308075
Last try asking for help then i'll stop.
Does anyone know?

>>61308811
>>61308075
The simple answer is no, there's no easy way of checking.

The chances of anyone doing significant damage to a 1080Ti in the short time it's been released is incredibly small, no one buys a 1080Ti for 24/7 operation like they would, for example, an RX580 or 1060Ti.

Does it have a warranty? Generally if a GPU works for the first week you have it, it should have a pretty good chance of lasting as long as it's serviceable life, but I don't know how I'd feel throwing so much money at something with no warranty.

>>61308498
I've been saying this whole time that Intel wasn't making any money off of the g4560, it was purely a reaction to Ryzen's announcement. Intel was somehow undercutting AMD's FM2+ CPUs with better performance, it didn't add up.

>>61308542
>that build
First off, get Ryzen either the 1600 or 1700 they crush anything intel spews out for the same price in the tasts you're handling.The stock cooler ia good enough, unlike in your build.

Then, you want 4 HDDs on an ITX? are you crazy? Go mATX, don't be a fag. Also many raid setups can be done trough the extra pcie expansion slots. Alsk, with mATX yoi can find 4x8 RAM deals which can be cheaper

You can get 3T ultrastars for like $6 more each.

Get a SSD for the OS and Software (blender, etc)

Get a 550-600W well rated and 80+gold.

That GPU is good, but a 1050-1050ti will do the job if you can't find any.

>>61308690
Above or equal to GTX 1060-RX580. The higher memory variants.

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Just need a confirmation, does MSI B250I PRO ITX board support full speed for an SSD such as the 960 EVO?

>1 x M.2 slot (Key M slot on the bottom of the motherboard)
- Supports up to PCIe 3.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s

I think this means it does, but i'm kind of sketchy since it's the cheapest B250 ITX.

>>61308950
That was my reasoning as well, that even if someone did buy it for mining only to sell it later, they wouldn't have done significant damage. As far as warranty goes, i'm not sure but i fear not.
Amazon warehouse allows you to give it back free of charge with full refund within two months. It's a gygabyte aorus. They have online warranty signup. Once i receive it i'll see if it's already been used by the previous owner. In that case i'll decide whether to send it back or not.

>>61309015
Yes
B250 has PCIe Gen 3.0 lanes from the chipset (unlike all AM4 motherboard)

>>61309041
Wait, does this mean it won't use any of the physical PCIe lanes?

>>61308950
Also amazon is usually pretty good at explaining what's wrong with an used product.
The description said small imperfections on the surface of the product, that could be a peeled off plastic transparent sticker, and a slightly damaged box. But no missing cd driver or documentation. So idk i'm just hoping it all goes ok.
Worst case i use it for a month and bask in the glory of an actually good card instead of my radeon HD 6970, and return it for full refund.

>>61309077
Yes, the manual for the motherboard states that the lanes for the slot is coming from the chipset, not the CPU's dedicated PCIe lanes.

>>61309037
>It's a gygabyte aorus
Solid card, it's the one I'm using, super quiet under load. Doesn't look too retarded once it's installed either.

Sounds like you don't have a whole lot to lose given the return period, just buy it and see how it goes, if it's shit, return it.

>>61309010
>Then, you want 4 HDDs on an ITX? are you crazy? Go mATX, don't be a fag. Also many raid setups can be done trough the extra pcie expansion slots. Alsk, with mATX yoi can find 4x8 RAM deals which can be cheaper

The ITX i'm getting is built for RAID/NAS setups. though. Kinda don't see the benefit of getting a mATX and having to settle for an expansion slot, because the integrated RAID support that the mobo has promises faster speeds. However, this is my first time, and everything else you said seems right. Thanks, anon, I'll try it out.

Any thoughts on the monitors listed? should I get the 16:10 1200p or 16:9 1440p one?

>>61309095
That's actually a godsend for ITX. Thanks for the info.

>>61309128
Thanks for the reply. I was hoping for some miracle software but i hadn't fully considered the whole warranty thing until you brought it up and i did some looking into the gygabyte website. Hope all goes well and i am able to register it, if someone bought it and returned it hopefully they didn't go through the trouble to do that.

>>61309138
>Hardware RAID
Pls no.
Software RAID has gotten to the point that the performance differential is functionally irrelevant, while not being a PITA to fiddle around with.

This isn't the best place to ask about NAS. Ask about it in the dedicated NAS threads which occasionally appear.

>>61309165
>hoping for some miracle software
Sadly not, Nvidia has even started hiding the ASIC quality on Pascal cards. I guess because they all overclock the same anyway.

>>61309178
>This isn't the best place to ask about NAS
Nigger, this is a PC Building General (which shouldn't be on 4chan anyway, all generals are cancer). NAS are PCs.

>>61309209
How best to build a good NAS requires more distinct knowledge than what is found ITT. Questions of how best to fit the hardware choices for your needs, questions of filesystems, OS, redundancy, plugins, compatibility, best practices, etc. aren't things discussed here.
99% of people who are here have never built a NAS, and aren't interested in anything beyond PC gaming or occasionally editing.

Is this too good to be true? My roommate and I were thinking of splitting the cost, for 450 each.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152610122045
Alternatively, I can't update buy both but Im not interested in SLI

>>61309010
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z6Qhpb
how am I looking now?

>>61309290

EXT4

>fffffffuuuuuuuuck

>>61309377
Pretty good... just why the 1TB SSD? I'd get a 500Gig one and upgrade to a R7 1700.
Also, it's always better to have dual sticks of ram, so 2x8GB will have better bandwith, and you can always drop two extra ones ro get 32GB. Ryzen like fast ram, so look for a 2400-2667 frwquency ram kit, but it's not necessary.

>>61307607
find a 4790/4790k, get another 8gb ram, buy SSD and you'll be set. Too bad you can't get a new graphics card

>>61309377
If this is for actual work rather than fucking around, I'd just go ham and just get a R7 1700.
I strongly disagree with the other poster. You don't need 550W for this build, and could easily manage with 450W. Also, efficiency doesn't determine quality. How efficient you want it to be is up to you.

>>61309498
He's not gaming. The faster RAM doesn't mean much

>>61309569
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P44J9W

This is for real work, I've voice actors and everything. So then this should handle everything I want?

I really do want an answer on whether i should get https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NZTKOQI/ref=twister_B01MRVSSRL?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149QBOF0/ref=psdc_1292115011_t2_B00P0EQD1Q

>>61309669
aside from clearance in the case, any reason you're going for a shorter GPU with less cooling?

Hi, Can somebody tell me if this build is compatible/ good or not? I'm working with 900 dollars and this is what i came up with (first build)

>>61309883
the smaller form factor intrigued me, and .the reviews said it was quiet.

>>61309978 shit forgot to add parts:

PU - AMD Ryzen 5 1500X
Cooler - Wraith spire cooler
case - NZXT s340
Mobo - MSI B350 Tomahawk amd4 ATX
RAM - Ballistix sport LT 8gb (2 x 4gb) DDR4 2400 MT/s 288 pin
GPU - MSI Geforce GTX 1050 Ti 4g 4gb
HDD - Toshiba P300 2tb 7,200 RPM SATA III 6gb/s 3.5 HDD
PSU - Corsair CX850M CXM 80 Modular ATX

>>61309992
https://youtu.be/DdldIalZyE4?t=548

Definitely got some room to work with.

>>61309993
>850W PSU
Also the S340 supports a front mounted radiator for cooling if you want, otherwise you can invest early now with two 120 or 140mm fans.

>>61309993
Get 16GB ram and you'll be good to go.

>>61308690
Literally any Skylake IGPU

>>61309993
Exchange the 850w for a 550w and get 16 gb of ram

rx580 / 1060?

P400S Eclipse vs S340 Elite? Which do you prefer? I can get the s340 Elite for $150 vs the P400S for $170.

It seems like I can't find any Samsung B-die based memory kits that aren't ridiculously expensive 32Gb kits I don't need. Is that less of a problem nowadays if I get a Hylix-based memory kit for my Ryzen? Like, if I get a 3200 memory, can I at least get it to 2900-something? The memory kit I'm looking at is Corsair Vengeance LPX, it's on my MB's QVL.

>>61310475
580 if you can find a decent price
bitcoin is crashing so it's only a matter of time get fucked cryptocunts

How does one go about attempting to extend the lower limit of the freesync range on their monitor?

>>61310777
cant wait honestly

>gpu blows up
>can't buy another because prices are ridiculous right now

just fuck my shit up

>>61307120
I was rigging together all the pieces around my house that were from old computers, and I realized that the only power supply I have free is non-modular PCI, which means it won't work.

Anyone have any suggestions for where to buy a PCIe modular power supply that's 500W that's for a shitbox?

I live in a small city, so Craiglist has been fruitless.

I5 7600k for $190, good deal?

Probably not the right thread, but I've been meaning to get a second monitor for fucking ever. I'm fairly tech illiterate. Anything special I need to know to make sure it plays nice with my primary monitor, or is it pretty much plug and play when it comes to monitors?

>>61309993
I'd drop the hdd and get an ssd.

>>61310842
Get a Ryzen 5 unless you don't have an AM4 motherboard
If you can't get/don't have an AM4 mobo then yes that's a good deal

So since the mining market took a shit this morning, will the GPU prices fall? If yes then how

>>61310896
yes because mining is less profitable miners will stop buying cheap cards like the 480 and 580

>>61307120
all gook rook same

>>61309669
Huge mistake to choose dual-channel RAM over the capacity to upgrade to 32GB in the future. CAD loves RAM.
If you haven't ordered it, I'd advise to remedy that. The person who advised you otherwise is spewing nonsense, and only knows how to build gaming PCs, which you aren't doing.

>>61307120
>case has a chink in it
0/10 would return as faulty

Is overclocking RAM hard? Pretty newb at tech stuff doing my first build

>>61311391
Leveraging off this, if a mobo doesn't accept RAM at its full rated speed (without a BIOS update) it will still boot right? Just with them at a lower speed?

>>61311404
I believe if you try overclock RAM past what the BIOS allows it won't boot, but just don't do that and you are fine.

>>61311491
Like I have 2x4GB 3200MHz sticks but I've heard B350 BIOS support is flaky without updates.

I'm guessing in a situation like you describe, it would just take removing the CMOS battery to get back?

>>61311528
RAM will not run at 3200MHz out of the box, simply install it in your B350 and update your BIOS and then Overclock it to 3200MHz+
I think it's amazing that it's not common knowledge that when manufactures say the RAM speed is X MHz it actually isn't out of the box.

>>61311562
Not him, but I'm building a similar system too and apparently there's some problem if you aren't using a subset of memory chips based on Samsung B-die. People have troubles OCing other kinds of RAM to 3200 even though QVL states you should be able to do that.

The problem is, I can't find any confirmed Samsung B-die 16Gb kits in my local shops.

>>61311602
You will just have to do your research on what RAM is B-die, if you google it you can find some charts of what is what.
You might have to buy online if 3200Mhz means that much to you

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Well /g/, should I?

>inb4 do your own custom loop

>>61311724
>You will just have to do your research on what RAM is B-die
I did that, that's why I said I can't find any.

I want to get to at least 2933Mhz, and I get conflicting reports. For some it's successful, but some report being stuck at 2600. Kind of suck that there's a situation like that, when perfectly good RAM won't work up to specs.

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Take a look at /biz/ right now.

>>61311828
What's happening, looks like bitcoin is bombing?

>>61311904
Mainly ethereum, but bitcoin is taking a large hit because all cryptos are connected in the market

Any resources giving me a 1st grade crash course in hassle-free one-off water cooling solutions?

Like >>61311731 's pic, where it's a completely closed loop with no maintenance. Is the performance necessarily worse than a custom loop, or can it guarantee same or better cooling performance than air still?

I'm mostly reluctant to do a custom loop myself, despite how easy it may be, because it's seems a bit too tedious in comparison to a pre-made one.

>>61311828
>>61311954
Woo can't wait for that influx of couple month old rx 580's that'll be on the market soon

>>61311995
Oh fuck you're right, but the price will still be inflated as there were tonnes of dumb fucks who though they were gonna make bank and spent $500+ on a rx580 and will want to make their money back on the purchase.

>>61311828
>>61311904
It's a fiucking bloodbath.
Sitting all my money in USDT and shorted 100BTC a yesterday.
lmoa ez $15000

Just bought a key from kinguin, flash drive in hand, how do I install windows??

Thank fucking god I can finally get a gpu then?

>>61311990
AIO have better cooling than air, worse than custom loop but without the headaches.
I still hate AIOs because you still need to replace the liquid eventually (several years, but still).

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PC:
>Ryzen 5 1600
>MSI B350M Gaming Pro
>Corsair Vengeance LED 2x16GB (CMU16GX4M2C3200C16)
>A-XMP Profile 1 (at 2933 MHz)

>can't hit 3200 MHz
>BIOS update with AGESA 1.0.0.6 comes out
>update successful but XMP Profile defaulted to off
>now both XMP profiles are at 3200 MHZ (the fuck), tried applying profile 1 again
>mobo does three beeps, powers off then on, three more beeps and then it boots to windows
>"holy shit finally" as I double check with AMD Ryzen Master and CPU-Z
>my spider senses tingle badly
>I turn off PC, wait then turn on again
>it does the whole three-beeps-and-restart cycle like four times
>suddenly loud grinding sound, like when you shift the gears on a lathe wrongly
>PC defaults to 2100 MHz
>mfw

Fuck, I really thought I finally got it. Now that it seems the XMP profiles are still fucked, I have a few questions since I'm new at overclocking.
1) Should I just wait for the restart cycles to end or do I manually turn the PC off?
2) What the fuck was that grinding sound?
3) Are there any recommended guides on how to manually set the RAM timings? I don't wanna fuck up my RAM sticks, but I think 3200 should be possible with some fine-tuning now, or else it wouldn't have booted to begin with.

>>61312202
Mining Ethereum is still profitable by a couple dollars a day per GPU generally, so no.

At the end of July things will drop hard most likely, which may mean some people may panic sell their cards, but after that we're going up to $600-800 Ethereum in a month or two easily, so no gpu 4 uu

desu I have a bot waiting to buy Rx's on multiple sites if any are brought to market below $300~

>>61312290
>At the end of July things will drop hard most likely
Pure speculation. It can literally go in any direction.
This isn't like the memory shortage, where there's a clear roadmap and we roughly know what when and how. This is uncharted territory.

>>61312290

You're wrong and you're going to lose money.

>>61312276
Hey, you're exactly who I need. I want to run Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 16Gb kit on an MSI B350 motherboard too. I already understand that it will be a while since I'll be able to clock it to 3200 (if ever), but what about 2933MHz, that's a realistic goal, right? How's it working for you?

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Here's a picture of my mobo bios. Where do I go to boot from a usb drive

>>61309669
Looks good. Just please get a better PSU. And you can still upgrade to 32GB RAM I don't know what the other dudes were talking about. Looks great anon.

I'm utterly confused by RAM gimmicks for Ryzen-compatible mobos, like what's even going on here. Half the internet suggests to go only for official QVL supported RAM, the other half claims they run unsupported ram at 3000-3200Mhz after BIOS update without any problem. Some tell stories about buying only memory with samsung b-die chip as it's the ideal option for Ryzen system, then some other guy would say that other chips incompatibilities were fixed with a BIOS update and you shouldn't care as much and go for higher Mhz sticks even if they aren't currently on QVL. Also on Corsair forums people complain that majority of sticks weren't even tested yet to make up some consensus on the topic.
Help me make sense of all this, or better yet, answer this:
My mobo is ASRock AB350M-Pro4, CPU is R5 1600
This stick is on official QVL https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2400c15d-8gvr
This stick is exactly the same model, but higher speed and IS NOT on QVL https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3000c15d-8gvr

I have the 3000Mhz stick in local store ready to buy and I was going for it before I even knew all the bullshit about ram issues, but it's not on QVL. Stick that I have in local store that ARE on QVL are either sub 2400Mhz or 16gb+ capacity which I do not need.
What's my move here? Can I go for the higher speed model of the stick that's officialy supported and will it be ok? Or should I stick with QVL list even though I don't have proper sticks nearby?

Any comments from ASRock mobo users are welcome

>>61312325
>And you can still upgrade to 32GB RAM
Not without tossing a DIMM.

>>61310375
would this work? are the cords compatible

>>61312393
DAMNIT i keep forgetting to add links
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139147&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleKWLess&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleKWLess-_-DSA-_-CategoryPages-_-NA&gclid=Cj0KEQjwy4zLBRCOg6-4h6vs3cUBEiQAN-yzfuiq_egkKwLOfRbvr8iXZVO6y_YPcwf_73NF00fc9eUaAqpI8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

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My first build.

It's normal for the GPU fans not to be on all the time right?

I know WD blacks are louder but how clicky are they? Or should any drive really click nowdays?

>>61312407
That's fine.
Not a great quality unit, but does the job.

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So I currently own pic related (aware now that the budget allocation sucks dick, could have gotten a G4560 and a 470 if I had waited literally one week)

I'm looking to upgrade to Ryzen, and I have a couple questions:

Are there any significant downsides to going to a mini tower? Will it be harder to maintain decent temperatures in a smaller case? I ask because the cheaper mobos are all mATX, and my current ghetto midtower is mostly empty.

Should I get the 1600x over the 1600 if the difference is only 20USD? I'd be using an aftermarket cooler to OC anyway, but I have no idea how much headroom the higher bin would afford.

What's the best B350 mobo for gaming? Right now I'm undecided between the MSI B350M GAMING PRO, MSI B350M Mortar, MSI B350M PRO-VDH, and the ASRock AB350M PRO4. Is there going to be a significant difference between any of those? I don't expect to need more than two RAM slots.

>>61312437
Upgrading to Ryzen wouldn't help you that much for gaming, if that's your concern. Your 460 is the blockage.

No big deal going mATX tower, if it's cheaper.

>Etherium prices getting crushed
IS THERE HOPE
IS THIS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL

>>61312485
There's not a whole lot I can do about that until ETH miners start dumping. A 1050ti is $200 down the drain for a minor upgrade, and everything between $200-500 is unobtainable at the moment.

The reason I wanted to upgrade to Ryzen was to stream games, would the 460 still be the bottleneck if I used CPU encoding?

>>61312437
Also, SSD Plus is variable BOM, and possibly DRAMless.
If you're picking up cheapo SSDs, make sure it has DRAM. The price differential is usually nonexistent.

Best build for 1080p 60fps gaming on all AAA titles in foreseeable (4- 5 years) future?

>>61312579
I already own it and will need to google what those acronyms mean.

>>61312580
1070 is a good bet.

>>61312418

Yes.

"The semi-passive fans will remain off when the GPU is under a set loading or temperature for low power gaming. The LED fan indicator on the top of the graphics card provides an instant display of the fan status."

>>61312580
boku no pico

>>61312258
Guess I'll spring for an AIO when the opportunity presents itself.

One more question. If it were mounted to the front panel, would the fans need to be intake or exhaust?
Seems weird to pull the heat to the front only to push it back through the case to, say, the rear exhaust.
Yet it also seems weird to push it out the front and possibly use your other fans as intakes (especially without readily available dust filters).

>>61312585
If you already have it, no worries.

>>61312588
Not even. 4-5 years, you'd need the fastest GPU you can possible get. Even then, he'd be turning down eye candy to get playable frames in a couple of years.

>>61312599
nani!?

>>61312621
He didn't say what setting.

>>61312621
thx anon

>>61307120
Question about PSU ratings (Bronze, Gold etc.). I'm looking at two Seasonic 520W PSUs now, one is Bronze, the other is Platinum.The Platinum one is almost twice cheaper. It has passive cooling, which is cool, and Platinum means it's more energy efficient (right?), but is it really worth it? The Bronze one will be just as reliable, right?

The PC Parts Picker site shows I need 209W for my build. Taking all the overclocking, possibility of adding drives and a demanding GPU in account, would 520W be enough?

I bought a rx470 4GB back in April for $90.

is it worth it to flip the card and buy another one once this whole thing ends in 3 weeks or fuck it?

>>61312314
lol I literally just made $15000 shorting btc m8, I really couldn't care less if anything goes up.
I prefer shorting anyways as most folks have no clue how to do it, which makes it easy $$$.

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>>61312580
I'm running this and getting solid 60fps (with the old hiccup to mid 50s) on most AAA right now, and should last into the next year or two

>>61312588
Okay that would work on ultra/high? I don't mind turning down a couple of settings after a few years.

>>61312699
Can I have a few hundred to finish my build oh great one?

>>61312708
Ultra/high will only last a good 2 years from card launch. See 980ti. Can't even keep up with AAA games at 144hz @ high anymore.

>>61312685
SELL SELL SELL

>>61312684
Platinum is more efficient than Bronze.
No reason to do Bronze if Platinum is the same price for the same wattage.

Nobody can answer your second question, since you haven't provided your build.

>>61312720
I'd be without a computer for the duration. It just seems like free money and I love fucking over russians...

>>61312747
I'm looking to dump my unlocked (read: forgot to backup stock bios) 2GB RX 460. Leave an email and we can work something out, I love fucking over russkies enough to bro price it

>>61312708
The more powerful the card, the longer it will last.
Even a 1080ti will be at a crawl in 4 years.
How much money you spend is your decision.

>>61312715
I am literally on government disability mate, I can't withdraw any of my funds without the government flipping their shit, not to mention everything is either in alt-coins or margins right now.

>inb4 he takes gubbment monies when making thousands

>>61312746
I fucked it up, the Bronze one is cheaper, obviously.

Here's what I currently have in mind:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qmgpsJ

The card will be replaced at some point. Maybe I'll add some more drives as well.

>>61312747
>I love fucking over russians
How rude!

>tfw was under the delusion that prime day would have some deals on graphics cards

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>>61307120
I've got about 76mm of clearance height for a CPU cooler.


Everything is bought minus this for an Elite 110 case. My RAM is a low profile, so RAM clearance isn't an issue either.

Color doesn't matter. After research, and getting /g/ opinions, these seem like the most consistent in benchmarks and quality. Budget is $100. I want to shoot for an air cooler low profile to fit and reasonable ambient noise during idle.

I still cant decide which one to get. CPU is from another computer, i5-7600k. Plan on overclocking but not to the max. Just a cozy medium.

God damnit. Which trigger do I pull?

>>61312719
This, trying to buy a card that will last 4 years and trying to hit x resolution at ultra are two completely different things. To be a graphics whore/144Hz whore when you're not rich you really have to get comfortable trading on Craigslist or Ebay, the best thing to do is buy the best you can afford either used or after the initial price drop and then sell when something better comes out and repeat the process. It's less about bang for your buck and more about learning when the best times to buy and sell hardware are.

>>61312785
Okay, what if I just want the game to look at least as good as the console version but to run at 60fps 1080p? Would that widen my options?

>>61312853
1060/480 or 1070 if you want to be a little safer. Good luck finding any of those for a decent price right now.

>>61312800
Full towers are dumb, especially for your build, which is nothing special space-wise.

Efficiency doesn't (technically) determine quality. You can have shitty plats, great bronze units. But there is a rough correlation.
Seasonic doesn't make bad PSUs. Buy what you want, but if you are already dropping that much cash, I'd say spring for their Focus or Prime series units. You can probably afford it. But if you went cheaper, no harm.
A 650W would support any conceivable config outside of multi-GPU. Don't go beyond, and you could probably manage with 550W.

>>61312893
Yeah I am going to wait. Hopefully prices will go down soon or else I might just say fuck it and stick with what I got even if it isn't that good.

>>61312795
>he takes gubbment monies when making thousands

>>61312910
What are you running? My 660 was doing well on medium-low settings until I bounced up to a 1060
>>61312795
o-okay man....no harm in asking though
>Tfw 20k in debt thanks to ex
One day I'll be back to square 0

>>61312910
Prices are gonna plummet through the damn floor as all of the cards being used for mining flood the secondhand market

I wouldn't touch them tho

>>61312941
>I wouldn't touch them tho
why not?

How is the GTX 1070 AERO 8G OC compared to other models of the 1070? Is it worth purchasing for ~420 burgers?

>>61312963
They're being ran 24/7

It's like buying a rental car or marrying a whore.

>>61312963
GPU's used for mining are ran literally 23/7 at near to full capacity.
They aren't something to trust m8.
If I don't like the prospects after the end of July I'll dump my ~20 GPU's that I've already made 2.2ROI on and lets just say I wouldn't dare use those if I was you.
Overworked, overheated, etc.
Disasters waiting to happen, but I'm sure I'll get $200/ea at least lmao

>>61312941
I wouldn't be so sure there'll be a glut of cheap used cards. Everything would have to line up right for the miners to sell out in big numbers. Eth would either have to drop far enough that mining stopped being profitable at any real-world electricity cost, or go to proof-of-stake like they've talked about but never done. And, in addition, there would have to be no other altcoins that remained profitable to mine. If some coins remain profitable, a lot of miners won't sell their cards, they'll just keep going continuing to try to pay them off.

>>61312940
>What are you running?
R9 270x. I'm surprised how well it holds up. I mostly play Japanese games and usually don't even play AAA games though so I probably don't really need an upgrade but it would be nice to be able to play the AAA games I do play at 60fps. I can only get 45-50 on some of them. I usually have to turn down some settings too though.

Best places to read GPU and other component reviews? Videos are fine but there are some obnoxious reviewers on YT I'd rather not listen to. Tom's Hardware seems pretty good but I want to compare reviews

>>61312897
>Full towers are dumb, especially for your build
I heard it's easier to assemble, I never really assembled a PC from a scratch before. And I'm planning to add a different graphics card later, aren't some of those pretty huge? I was worrying about going for a midi-tower because it's not really a standard so you can have ones that are big enough and ones that aren't, and I've seen people drilling them out to fit in bigger GPUs.

The thing with PSUs is that I don't have much choice where I live, I mean I have like 2 Seasonics that are over 300Wt in local shops. No suitable EVGAs. I really don't want to order a PSU by mail. I'm looking at the available ones... are Cooler Masters OK? Zalman? Foxconn? Thermaltake? I understand how important a quality PSU is.

>>61312941
Will new prices go down too?

What GPU should I pair with a G4560 before I'm wasting money?

>>61313074
Fuck no, but they'll become available again

>>61313076
RX 470 4GB.

It's what I use and it kicks the shit out of anything I have thrown at it. I've heard a 480 works well too but it seems like overkill and BN

I'm upgrading my cpu to a 7700k and still will be using a Z170 board. What do I have to do to make it compatible? I believe asus says you just have to flash an updated bios, could someone clue me in on how that's done, and is it done before or after I install the new cpu?

>>61313076
Anything above a 1060/580 is worthless, although I'd probably go with the 570 just to be safe.

What monitor should I get?

I don't do gay shit like play video games, but I edit photos and watch videos.

>>61313037
Google benchmarks. Reviews can tell you about shit like asthetics or their opinions but benchmarks don't lie,

>>61313101
You have to flash before you install the new CPU otherwise it won't POST. Go to the vendor's website and look up your board. There should be a support tab or something where you can find BIOS updates. Download, install on a USB, reboot into BIOS, select the flash option and choose the correct file. MAKE SURE IT"S THE RIGHT FILE FOR THE RIGHT MOTHERBOARD. It will take a while, don't freak out if it looks like nothing's happening or it boot cycles a few times.

>>61313076
1050ti/RX 470.

>>61313150
IPS for sure since you need that true color

>>61313094
>Fuck no, but they'll become available again
Should I just come back next year then?

>>61313175
Yes I agree. Any specific models? I'd like to spend under $300.

>>61313101
>>61313165
Whatever you do, do not fucking stop or interrupt the process unless you like a giant brick as your mobo

>>61313101
Just update the BIOS.
Don't fuck it up.
If you do, and your MB doesn't have dual-BIOS, you're screwed.

>>61313181
Screen size?
Tolerance of dead pixels and BLB?
Do you need 144hz?

>>61313165
I appreciate the help. So if I upgrade the bios now, will my skylake processor still work until the 7700k gets here? Or is it like a specific bios for each specific cpu?

>>61313177
No just wait a month for stock to return to normal and wait for a sale like I did

>>61313197
Just do the latest BIOS.
If it's KBL ready, it's good for all of them.

>>61313193
1080p
dont mind dead pixels or blb
I dont need 144hz

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Speaking of flashing the BIOS, I have a B350 on the way. And while not specific to it, how exactly to warranties or RMA/replacements apply?

Do they literally release their own BIOS updates with no warranty in the world?

>>61313094
>>61313129
>>61313168
Thanks for the input

>>61313160
Of course, and I just skip over those sections where the reviewer mentions how much RGB there is and in what parts of the GPU and how sick the ROG logo looks when lit up.

I do use benchmarks to identify which cards are worth looking into, but I also want to know about how loud particular cards are, power consumption and other things that might make one card better than another for me

>>61313211
Go look up some Qnix monitors. They are cheap as fuck because they failed QC for dead pixels and blb. You might get lucky and get one without.

>>61313215
If you fuck up a flash, it's on you.
Updating a BIOS is completely your issue. They sell the board as-is.

>>61313150
>edit photos
That's a woman's job. Unless you have a vagina, that's way gayer than video games you fag

1070 Strix or EVGA 1070 FTW. With a 1600. How is everyone's experience with OCing the 1600 by the way?

>>61313221
>I also want to know about how loud particular cards are, power consumption and other things that might make one card better than another for me
Lucky for you there are reviews that benchmark TDP and noise as well.

>>61313226
>Qnix
I don't wanna bother with that ching chong nip nong samalama ding dong shit tho.

>>61313235
I take pictures of teen girls (18+) naked as a hobby. bro pls miss me with that gay shit

>>61313229
Yeah, but what if the error is not user-caused?
Sure one can argue the user started the process, but starting it is not the fuck up.
What about situations where provided files on the website result in bricks in mass?

>>61313229
This is the part where you short something on the board and then send it in for RMA. They won't RMA a bricked mobo but they will RMA a shorted mobo.

>>61313242
Well if you don't want ching chong brands (they are reject samsung monitors desu) then go look up Dell monitors or BenQ.

So uhhh, anyone has any experience with Thermaltake/Zalman/CoolerMaster PSUs?

>>61313240
Fuck, i feel dumb now, of course there are. Thanks for reminding me anon

>>61313253
If it bricks, open a support ticket with false info and ask about RMA when bios update fails. If they accept it, RMA it. If they don't, take a battery and short some pins on the board and then send it in.

>>61313215
m8 messing with the BIOS has always been a "no warranty lol" issue. I don't even think I've ever seen a manufacturer do replacements for bad flashes.

$1k- turkey
i want a hacker pc

>>61313238
It's very rare for ryzen to go above 4niggahertz. You should get at least 3.7 unless you got a poop 1600. AMD recommends that you don't go above 1.35v for daily use, doubly true in the summer.

>>61313287
better get reading that OP then, good luck!

So with a setup that includes a Ryzen 5 1600 and a GTX 1070, would it be a waste of potential if I got a 1080p 144hz monitor instead of a 1440p 144hz monitor?

>>61313307
1440p144hz is 1080 and up. 1070 barely makes the cut.

>>61313262
Avoid thermal take for damn sure, 1st PSU fucked up my bios (gigabyte dual bios saved me) after rma the new one failed within 30min. I would avoid all of them desu . get evga, corsair or seasonic

>>61312829
Thoughts?

>>61313326
Corsair high end only. Corsair cheap PSUs might as well be Diablotek

>>61313336
Is.. is the cx550m cheap?

>>61313288
Hm, probably going to get a 1600x instead of hoping i get lucky.

>>61313326
Shit, sounds awful.

>>61313336
What do you mean by "cheap"? What CX650? VS650? VS is the cheaper series, right, then I should go for CX?

>>61313351
Yes

>>61313351
The only OEM that manufactures consistently high-quality PSUs is Seasonic.
EVGA and Corsair sometimes contract out to garbage OEMs like HEC.

CX550M is a meh PSU. Not Logysis tier though.

>>61313359
High end Corsair are just rebranded seasonic. If it cost as much as the seasonic equivalent it is okay. If it is much cheaper, then don't buy it.

>>61312437

Still looking for an answer on which mobo to pick please

>>61313262
Just picked this up for $110 with prime deal

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXH982W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

should I buy this shet?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824025212&ignorebbr=1

I never done 21:9

>>61313387
I'm not in America, sorry.

Okay, what about this shit:

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/sf-series-sf600-600-watt-80-plus-gold-certified-high-performance-sfx-psu

>>61313382
a few Antec PSUs are Seasonic OEM and where a heck alot cheaper too than the proper seasonic equivalent. Too bad antec has fallen off the radar

>>61313411
That's a good SFX unit.

>>61313420
Damn, you're right, wrong form-factor. OK, any opinion on Zalman?

>>61307120
so is there no point in buying i7s?

>>61313517
not for gaming, no

>>61313514
Did you not read the past 10 or so post?
EVGA, Seasonic, some corsair models. Anything else you are playing with fire.

Okay, so I've had a really rough day, and any help at all would be a godsend.

So last night my house had a power surge, and I guess I never flushed my surge protector, and it blew my motherboard. I bought a replacement today, but my CPU was too old for my new motherboard, and after buying a new one of those I realized that my motherboard was DDR4-only, so I had to buy new RAM.

I finally managed to get everything up and running, but now my graphics card isn't being detected. It's not in device manager or anything, and I can't install new drivers for it because Nvidia doesn't allow you to without an installed graphics card.

Is there any idea someone can come up with to help me out here? I've essentially rebuilt my computer, I really don't want to buy another card as well.

>>61313534
how come? i dont know too much about this so forgive me for asking dumb questions

>>61313553
only the most expensive i7s outperform AMD Ryzen, 7 and anything more expensive than ryzen 5 1600 is overkill for gaming

>>61313541
Is the fans on your GPU spinning? If not, the surge might have taken out your entire PC.

>>61313541
Maybe your GPU is dead, in fact that's pretty likely
You put the GPU in the topmost slot right?
>my graphics card isn't being detected. It's not in device manager or anything
If you can get to windows without GPU then it means your display cable is not plugged in your GPU, when it should be. Unless even that doesn't work.
Do the GPU power up correctly? Does it's fans spin?

>>61313292
if i knew how to pick parts i wouldnt be asking you right you cocksucker?

>>61307120
Hi /pcbg/, I gotta get some opinion on which is a better upgrade for my CPU. I use my pc for gaming only, and already have a 1070 and a 60hz monitor. I wanna get the best performance i can in games like witcher 3, bf1, gta v.
Which is better, performance and price wise?
I7 7700k (or i5 7600k) vs r7 1700 (or r5 1600)

>>61313588
>>61313582
Yes, my GPU fans are spinning.

>>61313579
not that i dont believe you but could i have some proof?

>>61313610
good luck!

>>61313262
Had an Antek PSU for 4 years now and haven't had a single hiccup

>>61313622
Try another PCI-E slot. And if possible, try it in another build (your friends). Otherwise it is busted. Also try booting into safe-mode.

>>61313622
try reseating it

>>61313617
The 7700k performance will be wasted on a 60hz screen, and an R7 1700 won't provide much advantage over an R5 1600 (unless the non-gaming stuff you do scales from more threads)
7600k is not even to be considered unless you like big FPS drop, stuttering and high CPU usage. Witcher 3, BF1 and GTA V are among the most CPU intensive AAA games and all three even manage to use 16 threads so an R5 1600 will handle all three extremely well

>>61313617
>gaming only
7600k will get slightly better frames now, but age poorly as it's 4c/4t.
1600(x) will have better real world performance if you have anything besides the game running, such as VoIP, music player, twitch on second monitor, and will age much better as a 6c/12t

1700 and 7700k are both overkill for gaming but if you have the money there's nothing wrong with either

>>61313540
>Anything else you are playing with fire.
Sorry, okay, that's clear then. I'd gladly buy EVGA or Seasonic but my choice is really limited.

I was looking at this PSU:
http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/sf-series-sf600-600-watt-80-plus-gold-certified-high-performance-sfx-psu-e
doesn't seem too cheap. Is it fine? If it's not, I'd probably settle for a 520W Seasonic, but I'd like to have those extra Watts just in case.

>>61313722
I get a 404 from that link. SF series is decent so I heard.

>>61313734
Because I fucked it up, there's a 'u' in the end:
http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/sf-series-sf600-600-watt-80-plus-gold-certified-high-performance-sfx-psu-eu
Decent? Well, I guess I'll take it, then. Thanks.

>>61313540
Eh, that's not true. Those just have lots of brand recognition. EVGA and Corsair have bad units, Thermaltake and Silverstone have good units, it's a mixed bag. You just need to know your way around the OEMs they use.
Or just buy Seasonic. That usually makes thing simpler.

>>61313690
>>61313691
Should i just go with the 1600x and a b350 motherboard then? Its alot cheaper and if im using the 1600x will there be less cpu usage in the games?, (currently on a i5 4460 and the stuttering is crazy bc the cpu hits 100% while the 1070 hits 50%)

>>61313579
Fuck off shill, everyone knows that the Ryzen 7 consistently underperforms in gaming tests when compared to the i7 family. It can beat a i5 no problem, but an i7? no fucking way. Ryzen's strength is in rendering video and fucking with spreadsheets, not gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr6pp4WWfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvT9uUqLrJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kATwMQDGAiQ

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review,4987-4.html

>>61313793
yes

>>61313793
>Its alot cheaper
Lot cheaper than what?
1600x is about $40 - $50 more expensive than a 1600 because of the higher price and required cooler, so you'd be better off going with an R5 1600 (and overclock in a few years if you feel like you're not getting enough performance from it)
Yes, there will be less CPU usage. A 4460 only has 4 threads to work with so of course it's on it's knees in the games you listed, but the R5 1600 has twelve threads instead. Whenever an i5 reach 100% in a game, the 1600 in the same scenario would generally be at 50 - 60%, so there really is plenty of room to run CPU intensive things on this CPU.

Shit, I posted the wrong PSU again. Here's the one I'm considering:

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/cx-series-cx650-650-watt-80-plus-bronze-certified-atx-psu-eu

>>61313799
You are not going to replicate the conditions of a benchmark when gaming. When you have shit open in the background, the additional threads will come into play.

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Is there any point in changing from a FX-6300 to a G4560? My motherboard just broke and I was just going to buy a new one, but since the AM3+ is a dead socket now, I was wondering if it would be worth to buy a new processor, motherboard and ram, and that would be a pretty big investment since I'm on a really tight budget and DDR4 is pretty expensive right now, and I don't know if it's worth to pay the bigger price.

I'm not really big into games, all the games I play are not that demanding, so I probably wouldn't feel a difference if that matters.

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>>61312821
>tfw no """good""" monitors on sale yet

>>61313921
Bulldozer is shit but who cares? If on a budget, just get a new mobo.

>>61313874
>>61313372

>>61313870
>alot cheaper than what
I meant its costs considerably less than going intel which is a great benefit to me

>>61313387
How's https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0106RDI3W ?

>>61313921
i'm going from an a8-6600k to a g4600. from reviews online it looks like both the g4560 and g4600 are much faster than our current cpus. So i know ill go with pentium. this is what i plan to build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>61313610
How's it going, friend?

>>61313994
"Meh", I see. Well, reviews seem to be "very good for a mid-tier". I might just bite the bullet. Though really, how bad is could 520W be? I've tried adding a 1080 Ti to my build and it came up at 429W, that's before overclocking. Pretty close, but should be enough, right?

>>61314046
Get the G3 instead. It's only $8 more

>>61314074
Don't listen to personal reviews for PSUs unless there are no professional reviews available. Barely useful, and can be very misleading.
The CX series is middling. Not what I would pair with a 1080ti if given the choice. If you can spend that much on the rest, don't cut corners on the PSU.

>>61313921
wrong link. gpu choice is yours and the g4560 is about 4 dollars cheaper on amazon if youre in the US. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GHLjxY

>>61313803
>>61313870
Also If i choose to go with 1600 and a b350 motherboard do i have to update it or flash it? I heard this can fry the mobo

>>61314120
you shouldn't need to

>>61310896
>>61311007
It'll recover you retards this happens in a volatile market.

>>61314127
Not him, but my MSI B350 got a bios update literally a week ago.

Isn't it still a volatile chipset? Yadda yadda, don't upgrade if you don't need to, but from new?

>>61314148
Don't upgrade your bios if you have no issue.

>>61314118
Is tomshardware what you'd consider a "personal review"? I understand why "I had that PSU for years and it was fine" kind of reviews are not useful, I get it.
>1080 Ti
Just a card I'd want to get if the prices normalize and I gather the money before Volta.

Again, the problem here is that there's fuck-all in local stores. There's a 750W Seasonic PSU but it's "reserved" and will be available if it's not picked up. There's the damn 520W Seasonic which I want to pick but I'm not sure if 520W is enough - it should be, but what if I'm making a mistake? There's a 850W Seasonic Prime Platinum PSU but it's really fucking expensive... I guess I could cut SOME corners and get it. Probably. A thing like that should last pretty much forever, right?

is a 550 watt psu good enough for an i7-7700, gtx 1050, and 8gb of ddr4 ram?

>>61314167
You can't order online?

>>61314176
Yes

How big of a gain would a 1050 Ti be over a 2gb 460?

>>61314183
a lot

>>61314153
Do b350s come with issues off the bat needing updates?

>>61314178
I live in Russia. Ordering from other countries is pricey and will take a lot of time, I'd been waiting to build a PC for a long time. Also, our postal service is infamously bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i5jGEXsJh8

>>61314191
Yes. RAM compatibility being one large issue.
BIOS updates come with changelogs, why don't you read those?

>>61314207
Well then given the choices I guess that PSU can't be that bad.

>>61313981
I can spare the money to get it, it wouldn't kill me, but I can't really go over, the bigger problem is if the money would do justice, and the price of the ram is a bit salty.

>>61314119
I'm not in the US, the 4600 would be around 40 dollars more where I live, so it's out of the question, I already have a gpu, and case and all the rest, I wouldn't even change the ram if I didn't have to, since it's DDR3.

>>61314207
If the Corsair CX is the best you can reasonably get, you'll make do with it. It's not a Diablotek and won't fry your PC.

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>>61314214
Fills me with confidence

>>61314230
>>61314250
Yeah. Seriously, I expected a better range of choices in the second largest city of Russia. Thanks for responses!

>>61314260
If possible, try to find something higher on this list.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

St Petersburg? I visited in 2006. Much nicer than Moscow.

>>61314259
Yup. As expected RAM compatibility is a huge issue with AM4.

>>61314274
Yeah, it's a cool city with entire quarters of historical buildings. But as I've just discovered, not amazing if you want to build a PC!

>>61314274
Sorry, that one is old, this one is newer.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

Is a 1lb, two slotted GPU enough to worry about sag?

>>61314366
Sag is all about aesthetics. If you are worried about it get a stand or support.

When are Vega preorders going to be available? I figure that's my best chance to get a decent mid-grade GPU right now.

>>61314462
No.

How the fuck do I pick a motherboard?

Gonna get an i7 6700k, really need VMs for work

>>61314483
That's not an answer faggot

>>61314587
No

If ram on QVL of my mobo is 2x8gb and I want to buy the exact same model with exact same code but 2x4gb, will it be ok?

>>61315223
>>61315223
new bread
>>61315223
>>61315223

Here's a budget build that isn't completely and utterly ripping you off (considering other gpu pricing)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9r3dQV
Did this build a month ago and it didn't let me down

>>61315352
Technically any price point could be not ripping you off if you look at it hard enough.

Why not Ryzen?

>>61315474
not them obvi. but I think the cheapest build I made that was too my like was about 460 with a Pentium and the lowest I can get a ryzen is about 650. I'm sure I could get it lower but I don't really do much aside from web browser and gaming so a Pentium is perfect for me.

>>61315670
though when ryzen 1300 comes out that might change my mind depending on the price

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>>61307120

>>61314191
Bioses brought up massive RAM latency improvements and better RAM overclocking along better virtualization support and all