When it became known that primary Intel but AMD too put backdoors

>>61290897
The last non-botnet CPU is the AMD FX series.
I have FX-8370 myself and it has enough power for anything that I do. Video encoding, light gaming, compiling, virtualization, etc. Sure, more modern CPUs are faster, but the whole field has been stagnating so I'm not terribly pressured to upgrade.
My only complaint is that it runs hot, but the bundled Wraith cooler is enough it cool it so whatever.
Now that Ryzen is out, it's also ridiculously cheap.

>>61290999
My my 40% overclocked 8320 gets to like 40 45 degrees under load. I wish I knew about CPU settings so I could push it farther without a crash.
This is with the fucking 212 EVO, by the way. 4 case fans, but still, air-cooled.

>>61290999
>non-botnet CPU
This is what I mean, first post is a shill. There basically is no good Hardware post 2009, and here we have one claiming otherwise right away. Just like systemd, make a thread or a comment and there is always a systemd shill present.

>>61290999
I'd love it if only they had better single core performance for
>muh emulation

>>61291104
Do you even know what you're afraid of? The "botnet" is the remote management chip, which the FX series does not have.

>>61290897
>he expects any device in 2017 that is connected to the Internet to be invulnerable to government level back doors.

Wake up anon, privacy is dead if you want to live incognito in the current year. Go be a hermit in the forest if you want privacy.

If it's not a hardware backdoor its a software vulnerability.

>>61291104
It's the last CPU without shit like Management Engine. Which is pretty much the definition of "non-botnet"; and no, I don't care about your magic botnet fairies that steal electrons and sell them to NSA..

>>61290897
I have three Windows 10 computers, two of them were updated from Windows 7. All of them are 64 bits. I have all my files synced with OneDrive and unencrypted. I have Intel ME installed too. I have an unencrypted Android and I let Google know everything about me.

I am posting right now from Google Chrome.

>>61291182
There is more that "just" a chip. You're claim is wrong. You're lying.

U/EFI Bios is compromised and even before that some classic BIOS with "anti-theft" and tracking features.

>>61291200
And... give up? Just like that?

>>61291313
>U/EFI Bios is compromised
Libreboot

>>61291312
So, you're an Idiot. Great, kill yourself now.

>>61290897
>muh botnet
>muh shills

Do any of you have a life? People will spy on you no matter what so who gives a shit? Stop watching child porn and stop pirating shit 24/7 if you don't want to worry about getting in trouble. Get a job and pay for your software.

>>61291339
Even though one can argue whenever this is controlled opposition, I make an exception in this case. If your hardware runs custom, deblobed firmware it's less likely being part of the botnet. Still saying the FX is safe without adding "with libreboot" isn't different than lying.

>>61290999
Wrong.
FX series has the AMD Platform Security Processor PSP
https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd

Here OP:
https://libreboot.org/faq.html#whatcaniuse
AMD hardware (~2012 gen) and some older Intel platforms (~2006-2009 gen)

So Phenom II and below
Intel core2quad/duo

>>61291356
That's retarded AF, he can use that shit and nothing happens to him, the only difference between him and you is that you are a paranoid faggot

>>61290897
Instruction set has nothing to do with the backdoors built into the chip, you goddamn mongoloid.

>>61290999
Doesn't it have PSP?

>>61291512
>>61291468
>FX series has the AMD Platform Security Processor PSP
No, the APUs have PSP, but not FX series.

>>61291512
It does, he is wrong
Its a good CPU though

Personally I dont care about management engine or psp

>>61290897
Who cares lmao

>>61291612
>>>/out/
>>>/reddit/

>>61291497
It's a timeline thing you retard. When they introduced 64-Bit they also added the Botnet. So you if don't want the botnet you'll have to be either lucky with the custom firmware or fucking use 32-Bit that is to old for the botnet. Do you get it now, if not consider suicicde.

Shit. I was having problems trying to build libcurl (and gcc and binutils and isl...) on Windows with MinGW-w64 (i686). Saw this thread, picked MinGW-w64 (x86_64), didn't fail on ./configure, make is running now.

Are juice everywhere?

>>61291551
I'd like to see that source, you retard.
Last FX is from 2012, well before PSP started.
Later refinements of FX series were scrapped, so the only new designs were E and A series APUs and they are the only ones with PSP.

Yes but how can I exploit the backdoor in my processor to spy on echelon?

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>>61290897
This is why I still use an old Intel laptop that doesn't have a management engine or AMT. However, you're wrong on one thing. The 64-bit architecture CPUs themselves are not botnet. It's the "features" built into them like the Intel ME or AMD PSP that are the botnet. At least on Intel systems you can neutralize the ME. The ME itself is a tiny RISC based CPU inside of the main CPU die that functions independently of the main cores. My standard for whether or not these co-processors pose a threat is if they can connect to the internet using their own network stack, or if they can take over my OS networking stack. By default the ME is extremely dangerous. This can easily be solved by using ME Cleaner to strip down the ME firmware so that it has no networking capabilities and is totally local, and only doing basic power management and some hardware init at boot. This is as easy as hooking up an external flasher clip and a Raspberry Pi, and since the BIOS and ME firmwares are stored on the same EEPROM, you can also install Coreboot all in one go. There's still non-free microcode in the CPU and a small amount of non-free ME firmware, but you'll have it contained and rendered harmless.

>>61291427
>>61291612
Intel AMT was recently shown to have a flaw which can allow attackers to pass packets around a LAN using the virtual serial connection, and the operating systems can't even detect it. It has been known for even longer that a flaw in the ME or in the manufacturer BIOS could allow permanent root kits and other nasty stuff. Even Macs are vulnerable through their Thunderbolt ports because the EFI doesn't place proper restrictions on data transfer through it at boot time.

Also privacy is a right and I don't have to justify it. Fuck off, commies.

>>61290999
>The last non-botnet CPU is the AMD FX series.
If you can't use libre drivers and libre firmware with it, it's still botnet.

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>>61291932
>drivers
>for CPU

>>61291872
wait you're saying you can have core/libreboot on a recent chip? wasn't it limited to a few obscure mb a few chinkpads and chromebooks?

>>61291989
Yes, the linux kernel handles drivers for hardware like a NIC card or a CPU.

>>61291996
That's a Libreboot, and it fully disables the ME. They'll be supporting newer hardware within a few years but disabling the ME in newer chips takes lots and lots of R&D.

Coreboot supports a lot of newer ThinkPads. I used ME Cleaner and Coreboot on my X220 and it runs great. I can even boot Windows on it still since I use SeaBIOS as the payload, but it only runs Fedora. Check the GitHub for ME Cleaner to see the devices that have been confirmed to work. From those, pick one that supports Coreboot.

https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner

>>61290897
Is ARM safe OP?

>>61292170
Not OP but ARM is safe as long as it doesn't have trust zone.

>>61292187
ironically you'll also won't get 64-bit ARM without that.

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>botnet this, botnet that
Botnet should be word filtered. I don't think people who use it even know what the fuck they're complaining about half the time.

>>61292187
And what isn't safe about TrustZone? Do you even know? TrustZone is just a different state that the processor can be run in, there's nothing keeping you from running FOSS code in it (or just running everything in it) so long as you actually have control of what bootloader you can run. You might as well be saying that having a separate root account instead of being logged in as root all of the time isn't safe.

>>61294276
>not posting tpm part
No, I've had it with you NPCs. You fuckers are as repentive as old school jRPG Villagers and not even half as helpful. I'm not sure how but somehow I'll shut you all down.

>>61290897
POWER8 will save us all!

>>61290897
>tfw 32-bit arm architecture with freebsd
get fucked groce phaggot

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>>61291339
Memepad X60 with trannyboot for the win

>>61294901
since I've head of libreboot I watched that whole drama unfold and I'm still watching. Mainly I have following Questions:

How come the Project is/was owned by a Tranny that since I head of it didn't write one line of code of fixed one bug? It didn't even put out any new Releases. Could it be that Person didn't do the actual Libreboot related work? If not, who did it and why was this given to a Tranny? Why aren't the more Coreboot based Distros?

>>61296459
This dude had a good run down on the situation
https://youtu.be/FQCwYAhZnQg

>>61291468
The last non-APU FX was released in 2012 senpai

>>61291662
The Athlon 64 had no botnet, neither do some Core 2's
>>61291989
Yes, microcode
>>61292170
It would be of every ARM board manufacturer and OEM would use free drivers/bootloader/"BIOS"

>>61296655
Well, good video. Still, he asumed the tranny did it for attention. What if it was an preplaned attack on free software? Like I said, that did actually make any useful contributions even though being the "project leader". This supports a theoretical case of that it was a placement.

Also, as right wing person myself I consider trannies as mentaly ill and I neither trust them with my privacy, freedom nor do I belive they're sane enough to code software.

That leaves us with following, the libreboot project is suspicious. This is why I didn't install it. My guts tell me not to do it, even though I certainly don't trust the original BIOS.

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>>61294901
>>61296459

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>>61297428
>trusting proprietary BIOS over FOSS BIOS that is audited by the community and that you can look over yourself just because a tranny happened to control the repos for the FOSS BIOS
Serious question, did your political leanings kill your braincells or were you always this stupid?

>>61291200
Ultimate privacy solution: drop a 1000 pound bomb on every NSA facility.

>>61290897
Can those features be disabled in bios?

ITT: shills, redditors, /v/

>>61297566
no, you have no way of doing anything. It's like a seperate little computer in your computer with higher admin rights that the actual owner. Sometime we see options in BIOS to enable/ disable certain "features" that come with it but essentially as it is closed source we do not know if even those work or just placebo options.

>>61297566
In some BIOS implementations you can turn off AMT, but that's about all. And you have to trust that they aren't placebo switches (there's not a good way of verifying what they actually do).

>>61297502
I'm not a programmer. I cannot the code myself as I simply don't have the knowledge to do it. That leaves me following options, trust the people involved or don't trust them. I judged I cannot trust them thus I cannot use that particuar "FOSS BIOS". Simply as that. Also, was it really audited (citiciation needed)?

I do not trust free software simply because it's free software.

To finally answer your question, I'm neither stupid nor do I have any health problems. I consider you stupid and braindamaged for even assuming I am and not thinking this through yourself.

>>61297733
Would one of these work?

if ((they)) are executing things secretly, shouldn't that be detectable still by looking at the signals on the board and if they show AMT activity when its been turned off?

>>61298069
That's exactly what they did

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>>61298095
>>61298069
forgot pic, this is what I meant by 'one of these'

Get a fucking firewall and block everything you don't need.
There you go. No more spying and modern hardware.

>>61299330
what if backdoor uses ipv6?

>>61299330
is the firewall made of actual fire or does it use... hardware?

>>61290897
I like it when the genuinely crazy part of /g/ shows it's head.

>>61300561
>reddit
you have to go back

>>61300561
>supporting NSA niggers
pathetic.

>>61291339
Its actually leahboot you transphobic piece of fuck