/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>61276761
What happened to that card?
Diablotek?

>>61276802
GTX 460 in SLI

Already excited to pick up a used mining GPU. What do you think $100 would buy?

>>61276872
I wonder if they will sell them or rather rma them.

What's the best sub $300 144hz monitor?
Debating between the AOC G2460PF, Viewsonic XG2401, BenQ XL2411 or Asus VG248QE.

Nice cheap micro ATx cases? Nothing flashy.

>>61276761
just got a msi gaming x 1080 for 550 euros
how bad did i do ?

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>>61276761
im still working with a sandy bridge i5 and an r9 290

desperately need an upgrade.

Should I just do a completely new build or just do incremental upgrades.

Really want a new processor and graphics card

>>61278036
Nah it's a great card and i doubt you could've gotten better prices considering how they're all jacked up

What should I fix with this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/62NpsJ

>>61278088
not getting the most expensive 1060 you could find for starters
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pbL7YJ/evga-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-gaming-video-card-06g-p4-6161-kr

>>61278046
I'd say incremental because jacked up GPU prices and the fact that a 290 is still great today will make buying a GPU really hard right now

>>61277878
the vg248QE as kinda bad color take something with an ips panel if it matter to you

>>61278124
Yeah i was thinking about sticking with the video card for a while and just upgrading my mobo/processor.

What's a good processor rn that my video card wouldn't bottle neck or vice-versa?

>>61277878
The Asus MG248QR is $300 on Newegg. It's a newer VG248QE, with a better panel and thinner/matte bezels.

Can someone please tell me how to get a product key for windows? I have been looking online and I cannot find where to purchase just the key.

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>>61278036
That's actually pretty good.

>>61278113
I bought it for $250 today, It says $400 because thats the only one available right now

>>61278046
>>61278159
R5 1600/x, either Asus prime x370 or Strix x370-F, and get a gtx 1070 whenever you can find one in stock or just wait and see what Vega's like.

>>61278165
You can get a vg248qe for $86 though

>>61278159
>What's a good processor rn that my video card wouldn't bottle neck or vice-versa?

I did not do any research on this subject, but if I had to guess, any i5 or r5 should put you in the clear.

>>61278242
this too

>>61278242
>>61278265
thanks dudes

>>61278227
you can indicate if you have purchased things (and at what price) on pcpartpicker

>>61278054
price are always jacked up 20% in euro land
>>61278198
good then

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so I bought a 1080TI Aorus directly from Amazon for 786€ earlier this day which is a damn good price for that moddel where I live to the point where I think they fucked up the pricing

it's sold out now and they risen the price to 899€

will they jew me out and not send it to me for the price I bought it? they haven't started the shipping process

>>61278325
nah you should be good, you probably got the last one they had on sale

Is this a good psu? https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-WHITE-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00H33SFJU&pd_rd_r=GD76M5H2RZ2XW5ZS4GTS&pd_rd_w=L9gl8&pd_rd_wg=ix9Lf&psc=1&refRID=GD76M5H2RZ2XW5ZS4GTS

>>61278360
nah I checked even hours after I bought it there were like 14 still in stock

>>61278378
I know it's not a big sale but I need a psu and i dont know what to get. I heard seasonic good but they're expensive

>>61278363
never jew out on the psu, better spend a little more to get a more efficent one that will actually save you money of the years

>>61276761
Is 1800x w/ 1080Ti good for 1440p 144 Hz gaming?

>>61278401
get an EVGA 80+, they have good warranty or so i heard

Suggestions for a good ITX case? It's going to be air cooled and have an ATX PSU.
Possibly a small GPU as well depending on how the Zen apu turns out.

>>61278413
Absolutely not. Go 7700k with good cooling and the fastest ram you can afford.
My PC is built for high refresh and you need to max out every little part to consistently get high enough FPS, even at 1080p. Some game engines were never made with the intention of being run that high and so past 60 fps scaling falls through the floor. Some games need CPU frequency, some need cpu cache, some need insane ram speeds, some are all GPU.
I have a delidded 7700k(silicon lottery pretested)@ with a 240mm AIO running at 5.2 ghz, ddr4 3600 cl16, and a 980ti at 1450mhz on another 240mm aio and even then some games will regularly not be able to do 144hz.

>>61278413

its more than enough

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>>61278450
this should have enough airflow, and it looks good

>>61278490
fuck.

well is the new core i9 processors/threadripper be enough?

I want to also do some streaming and multitasking

>>61278402
How much should I spend?

>>61278506
just get the 550W, unless you have some crazy expensive CPU/GPU it's enough.

>>61278498
even for AAA Titles running on at least High?

>>61278517

yes

Yo, how long to drop in GPUs? Fuck cryptofuckers?

>>61278505
No, the 7700k is by far the best chip for 144hz. It clocks higher than those huge multi-core behemoths. Streaming using shadowplay is fine unless you do it for a living.
You can either buy a monitor with gsync to cover up the low FPS, shadowplay stream, go 7700k, or get a second streaming PC.
People here are just regurgitating shit they read. I'm telling you that you will continually run into games that wont get near 144hz or if they do will fluctuate all over the fucking place because they arent intended to consistently hold that FPS.

>>61278088
Dont get an MSI board. Get an ASRock or some shit

>>61278506
get at least a 80 Plus Bronze
should be around 50-60 buckeruus

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is it worth it to upgrade to the latest gen i7 or a 1700 ryzen?
or am i better off sticking with my 4790k for a while longer

>>61278563
What's wrong with msi

>>61278588
Absolutely no reason to what so ever.
4790k is barely distinguishable from a 7700k and probably beats the 1700 in averages in most games. It would be the same as lighting your money on fire.
Get a new gpu or a monitor thats better than 1080@60hz trash.

>>61278502
I like the 200mm fan, shame about the 80mm exhaust fans though.
I'm also looking at the fractal core 500.
Anything less known out there?

>>61278502
its a bit noiser than some of the other cases that size and the temp difference doesn't really offset that. maybe upgrading the 200mm would help tho.

>>61278640
yeah thats what im saving up for at the moment

im debating over getting a 4k monitor at 60hz or a 1440p at 144hz

my 1060 wouldn't be able to game natively at 4k so it'd be up scaled anyway, but i'd like the extra screen space for video editing work.

so whats better 4k @ 60hz or 1440p @ 144hz?

>>61278588
If you do multithreaded tasks then you should otherwise probably not.

>>61278413
Yes it's fine however you should just get a 1700 and OC it, the 1800x is for plebs that can't into OC.

>>61278490
>>61278538
Ignore this retarded shill, the 7700k has no advantage at 1440p@144hz in most titles.

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Anyone have any tips for upgrading this hunkajunk?
I'm very very on a budget but I wanna get to a point where I can run new-ish games at low to medium settings.

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>>61278814
It's really not. Here's the most recent CPU benches on GN. 1440p doesn't change anything aside from making it more taxing on the GPU.
The OP is correct, the 7700k is the only chip to buy for 144hz. Everything else is insufficient.
Ryzen is superior for 60 and 75hz.

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is the Samsung C24FG70 monitor (pic related) good for gaming if you're going for a medium build like R5 1600x plus RX 580?

what bothers me is the 144hz refresh rate. i know i won't be able to push my games that far with that hardware, but is it going to look worse than a 60hz monitor or not? it does have freesync by the way

>>61278822
try to get 4 more gigs of ram used for cheap

your cpu porbably still holds up with a little overclocking

get a NV 1050 or 950 or a comparable ATI product

>>61278822
Pentium G4560 + 1050TI is what you're looking for. you should get some more ram too

Should i wait for prime day to buy a pau?

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>>61278935
I've been on 144hz since 2014 so let me tell you how this works. Some games will blow past 144hz no problem. Other games no matter what you do will never ever reach 144hz consistently even on the 7700k/1080ti.
So the only portion of the games that you're missing out on are the ones in the middle that can do it with insane hardware. Take World of Warcraft for example, it can do it in old world zones and low populated legion zones but step into a city and unless you have 4000mhz ram and a 5ghz cpu you're going down to 45 fps.
Freesync allows you to use the Ryzen chip over the 7700k because huge dips like I explained in WoW won't be so jarring.
On the upside I believe that monitor has one of the best picture qualities available and is certainly the best 1080p 144hz monitor by a fair amount.
I want one.

>>61279083
Psu

>>61278928
You're just being disingenuous, all those images are for 1080p where the 7700k has a small advantage in some titles sometimes. At 1440p you are rarely ever CPU bound so the differences wash away and you generally have better minimums on a Ryzen 7. It being more taxing on the GPU is the entire point, genius.

Not to mention you almost have to delid the 7700k to keep the thermals in check when near 5ghz.

>>61279083
No, I expect Prime Day won't have much in the way of PC component sales.

>>61279155
I'm telling you he's going to be disappointed. Chasing 144hz is like going down a rabbit hole. Every time you find a new game there's something you have to upgrade to satisfy it's engine.
That's how I ended up with my $200 DD4 kit.

Does windows install faster on a SSD?

>>61279175
I agree that just chasing max FPS is silly but I'm specifically talking about the differences in the CPUs in this specific scenario. Especially if OP is also intending to stream then the choice is a no-brainer in favor of Ryzen.

>>61279211
Yes

ITT anon continues to fail to understand what cpu bound actually means.

>>61279229
You have to be practical about it. If you don't stream as a living then GPU rendered streaming is totally fine. I use it all the time to show shit like diablo 3 greater rifts to friends. If you do stream for a living then you either don't go 144hz, go 144hz but you're streaming trivial shit like CS:GO, or you have a secondary machine to handle the encoding.
If he does go for the Ryzen without an adaptive sync monitor he's almost never going to max out that monitor in games that aren't CSGO, MOBAs, Rocket League, etc. Going from 144hz down to something like 80hz because a bunch of shit just happened in game feels very shitty and tempts you into doing upgrades to stop is from happening.
I stand by my origin post.
Ryzen(fast ram ofc)+Adaptive sync or 7700k/good cooling/fast ram

>>61279211
nah

the limit will be the dvd or usb stick or whatever

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>>61279088
thanks for replying anon, and for the 2B wall

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thinking about going for an r5 1600 and some faster RAM, would i see much of an increase in FPS? or not worth it wait another year or 2?

>>61279311
To hit 60 fps at 1080p you would be better served by upgrading the GPU. Of course it would be a massive CPU upgrade but an 8350 with a 980/1060/480 tier gpu can do 1080p 60fps no problem.
GPU market is dead right now so you buy something like a maxwell card on ebay second hand, or pick up the ryzen and then replace the GPU when the market returns to normal.

>>61279278
There is no strong use case for a 7700k at 1440p except for emulators that simply cannot scale with cores. Even in that case you have to be over 4.5GHz and deal with the heat reasonably either by having a lot of cooling or delidding or both.

Your original post is simply misleading. I agree that Freesync/G-sync is nice to have but that's not the point of contention here anyway. Your suggestion of having two dedicated systems is laughably stupid in the face of an option like Ryzen.

>>61278127
>>61278165
I'd prefer 144hz over ips, 144hz ips panels are all over my budget.
Which 1080p 144 monitor has the best color?

>>61279311
Really depends on the game, in newer titles you will see a significant performance boost, in older ones not so much. You should upgrade for a host of other reasons than raw FPS though. The platform improvements alone will bring overall usage to a much higher level.

>>61279393
It is a very common option among streamers who do stream for a living. Some even put their streaming/encoding pc specs on their twitch profile. Others use big multicore chips like Ryzen or Broadwell-e but those are people like Reckful/Sodapopin who don't even track FPS or give a fuck.
The 1700 is going to result in lower FPS than the 7700k on a 1080ti at 1440p. The best experience is going to be either the best possible parts for 144hz in the 7700k or adaptive sync to cover up inadequacies.

>>61279411
Honestly I doubt you'll even notice the color difference unless one monitor just cannot be corrected. Unless you do color-sensitive work, in which case you should have a dedicated monitor for that purpose.

Anyone have experience with the cheap 1440p monitors? I want at least 24 inches, don't care about refresh rate.

>>61279458

Its all swings and roundabouts. Anything that loves L1 and L2 is going to be lightning fast on ryzen but shit that tends to be too large and fills L3 will be faster on Intel (skylake-x excluded) due to the inclusive nature of Intel's cache and the victim setup of ryzen.


Gaymen is a moxed bag due to a shitload of factors - a non-insignificant one is the fact that for the last decade only two cpu families have existed; Intel's desktop and HEDT parts (to wit virtually noting as of right now hits ryzen optimally to showcase its higher throughput).

With the change skylake-x brings I can see any software that targets that become more friendly to ryzen by extension of skylake-x's hilarious cache setup being closer to ryzen's than previous Intel architectures (i.e get your shit to fit in L2 and only hit L3 as a last resort).

>>61279458
It's only common because they didn't have a choice until recently. People who stream for a living can afford to do that as well because it is literally a business expense to them. Claiming that those who use more than 4-core systems just don't care is also stupid. I know you're not averse to making stupid claims but still it's pointless.

Here is demonstrable proof that a 7700k is not going to be of benefit at 1440p (or higher) in most games: http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-versus-amd-ryzen-1700x-14-game-cpu-showdown_192508/3

They are effectively the same in most of the titles there with both at stock and the Ryzen with slightly boosted RAM @ 2933MHz.

About to pull the trigger on the Gigabyte ITX AM4 AB350N board, thinking of pairing it with a 1600 - the 1700 is a little overkill for my needs.

Maybe an M.2 SSD.

No idea what to do with a GPU, i currently have an R9 270 that i can keep using for now until i either save enough for a 1080 or RX cards drop in price.

>>61279352
>>61279427
thanks anons.
I think im going to go through with the upgrade, but as you said im gonna wait for the GPU market to chill out before i get a new card. prices are absolutely insane

>>61279572
Given that the majority of development time and money is allocated to console development and most PC titles are ported, going forward more games will make use of more threads simply due to the fact that Playstation and XBox both have 8-core CPUs.

>>61279472
Fair enough, I don't. Only gonna use it for audio production and gaming. Think I'll get the AOC since it's cheapest.

What's a good micro-atx case to upgrade to?

What sort of monitor should I be looking for with a GTX 1080, resolution and refresh rate wise? Anything to avoid?

>>61279635

>will make use of more threads simply due to the fact that Playstation and XBox both have 8-core CPUs.

Yay and nay. Those that go balls-out with vulkan and DX12 will see ceretain similarities and will be focused on threading almost by definition due to the rather low IPC nature of the jaguar cores. Nay because LOL THREADING in DX11 and most people have cpus fast enough to get acceptable performance even with DX11's limitations. I predict (based upon current trends) only the most insane small devs and the big developers with massive weight behind them (DICE and all of EA for example) will write their engines to really shine under DX12/Vulkan given the manpower required.

Croteam are insane enough to do it but most developers won't bother. Even AoTS slams into a wall at 6 threads and in the here and now the Nitrous Engine is one of the fastest game engines on the planet.

>>61279695
I would go for 2560x1440 personally. If you want to try high refresh rate then you could dip your toes into that as well but I would only do it with an adaptive-sync monitor because normal Vsync is terrible.

>>61279669
>micro atx
>upgrade to
Oxymoron.

>>61279747
60 or 144hz?

>>61280085
Up to you but if you go 144hz I would also go G-sync despite the awful nvidia tax so you can avoid screen tearing even if the FPS drops below 144hz/72hz.

>>61279596
I understand your point of view but that was tested on a 1080ti. I'm going to stand by what I said and the guide in the OP that the 7700k is the better chip for 144hz when talking strictly about game fps.
Unfortunately the anon is gone so we'll never know the specifics about his use case.
My strong opinions are from comparing my system to the one my online friend built last month. He's not filling out the 144hz on ryzen and I am on intel. He was disappointed with the performance even though I told him the cores on Ryzen are better overall in some games and the game play is generally smoother so it makes more sense than an i5 given the 12 threads.

>>61280224
I meant that was tested on a 970*. The test systems in your link both use the 970.

>1080 Ti 70€ more expensive since the last time I checked

i have an awful specific and video game related question, so i do apologize before hand

how well would a ryzen 1600 be able to handle Dolphin

>>61280224

The main issue with high refresh rate gaymen is only a games actually scale to such fps - a lot are either capped or suffer physics breaking bugs at 144fps. I sure love the smoothness 144hz offers but the pragmatic gamer shoukd pick 4k 60fps over 1440p 144hz (or 1440p 60fps over 1080p 144hz).

While only slightly related it becomes a bigger issue when emulating consoles and old as fuck PC games. Resolution tends to trump refresh rate.

>>61278325
If it doesn't go through wait till you can get the Aorus Xtreme for 789€ (on mindfactory a few weeks ago), coin miners can go fuck themselves

>>61280317
I just can't stand 60hz after so many years at 144, it feels like shit. 60hz seems completely trivial at any resolution in comparison to 144. Especially 1440/144.
60hz is so optimized in most games and so not cpu dependent that a 1080ti and g4560 could maintain 60 fps at 4k.
As soon as you want to go 144hz you make sacrifices to get the cheap threads of ryzen, need fast ram on either platform, need good cooling for overclocks.
I already sunk in the money, my build is the best possible for high refresh but if I could do it again I may have settled at 75hz or just sucked it up and went high res.

>>61280315

While dolphin is still - fundamentally - single threaded to fuck it can into some multi-threading and the inherent IPC of ryzen is "good enough" for dolphin.

Naturally it is more complex than that (especially with the vulkan renderer) but the tl;dr is if you plan to run games at native fps ryzen is plenty.

Downside: its a bitch to find recent (i.e after AGESA updates) benchmarks of ryzen witrh dolphin - most are day-1 benchmarks which are no longer accurate.

>>61280230
The point is that you will be GPU limited at 1440p most of the time anyway unless your settings are set to low. That's the entire point.

But here is another test with a 1080 Ti: https://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/4/

That's with 2400Mhz RAM which is on the slower side. And you can even ignore the OC result since the Intels are at stock.

How do you anons back up your data? I've always just used a couple externals, but I think I'd rather get something more reliable. An NAS server is overkill for my needs.
Would just getting a few hdd's and some kind of dock or bay be the best option? Maybe a hot swap? I'm not using a disc drive.

>>61280317
Yeah you do run in the 60Hz wall sometimes due to shitty coding practices but I haven't run into it all that much in my experience.

>>61280365
Christ, you're right. That is ridiculously GPU dependant. 144hz 1440p is a fucking meme on current gen GPUs.

>>61280317
First of all, you should get free-sync/g-sync with high refresh rate monitors so you don't have to always hit 144hz that's just not possible at 1440p without a lot graphical sacrifices at the moment even with a 1080 Ti.

Secondly, 4k is a lot harder to push in general and your FPS will absolutely tank in a lot of games.

>>61280362
appreciate it

>>61280362
I'll see if I can run some benchmarks with my 1700X (got a deal on an open box so it's cheaper than the 1700) once I get the other components.

>>61280440

4K at ultra ia hard as balls sure but many games crank certain settings that murder fps for minimal IQ gain. 4k high within adaptive sync ranges (i.e 30-60fps) in most games has been viable since the 390x/980.

>>61280496


I wyldn't expect too much. I doubt (admittedly i'm not 100% on dolphin's development) it has any specific tuning for ryzen but fast ram and ryzen goes a long way to closing the gap to a 7700k (and yes, a 7700k is where it should ne compared to).

>>61280181
So 1440p 144hz with g-sync is what I'll want to look for. Any recommendations?

>>61279695
4k60 monitor. high refresh rate monitors are a meme.

Hi i am about to build me a new PC.
im not a gamer but i would like to have a good and fast pc for daily use browsing, rendering, (AVS, sony vegas, photoshop, ect), autocad and other engineering programs.
I have an SSD HDD case and an new PSU (coolermaster B700 ver 2). So i only need an CPU Mobo RAM and GPUwith an budget of 500€ (~570 USD) :
i am not going to buy a good GPU because of the mining prise thing :
so i was thinking about an:
Ryzen 5 1400 or 1600
ASUS prime B350m-a or ASUS prime B350 plus
corsair vengeance lpx 8 or 16Gb ram 3000MHz
and some 100€ GPU.
my question is what you think about my build and if my budget allows it should go first for more ram beter mobo or CPU ?

>>61280564
What are the pros and cons for 4k60 vs 1440 144?

>>61280623
4k is really hard to push even at 60 FPS, 1440 is much easier but you won't hit 144 FPS easily. Better to get a free-sync/g-sync monitor in that case.

>>61280623
Both are extremely expensive and hard to hit, it's completely up to personal preference. Do you want sharper image quality and possible HDR? Or do you mostly play FPS or other action games and want everything to feel as fluid as possible?

>>61280530
Dell S2716DG is good, ASUS PG278QR is pretty good, Acer Predator XB271HU is IPS and nice if you get one without any issues. I've heard they have some QC issues but who knows how bad it is.

>>61280607
In your case I think you could justify a Ryzen 7 1700 due to your heavily multithreaded workloads. But at the very least you should get the Ryzen 5 1600, 1400 is just not cheap enough to justify and you would benefit from the additional cores.

>>61280623
4k 60 is just much better value all together. You can get high quality 4k60 monitors for good prices now and it will last a long time as 4k isn't even the standard yet, but will be once these 4k consoles get more and more popular. It's also not that hard to hit 4k60. DF have s series about 4k on a budget and their shitty 970 build can hit 4k30-60 in nearly every game they throw at it. In comparison your 1080 is like 80% faster.

On the flip side variable refresh monitors, especially gysnc cost an arm and a leg and it's hard to hit 144fps as it is with even a 1080ti. Also as games get more and more demanding, whilst you can just turn down some settings to achieve that 4k60 it will be much, much harder to maintain that 144fps even at 1440p.

>>61280767
I believe the problem with high refresh, even at 1080, is the lack of engine optimizations for it.
Quake Champions is built from the ground up for high refresh and so the FPS counter literally doesn't change. It just always reads 144.
Other games will be over the fucking place because the engine was built to do 60 fps.

>>61280879
Even more reason to get a 60hz display. That doesn't mean you're limited though. You can still play at higher refresh rates. You can either cap your fps to 120 with rivatuner or similar and because it's exactly 2x your monitors refresh there is a low chance of screentearing, but it has to be locked at 120. I actually use this method all the time. Currently playing sniper elite v4 at locked 120 fps with ~high settings on a gtx 1070. Silky smooth experience. Very few fps drops.

Or you can just use Nvidia fastsync which allows for uncapped framerates but with no screentearing. It has less input lag compared to triple buffered vsync too.

>>61278658
Jonsbo UMX1 but that's not really cooled better.

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I'm still rocking a core 2 quad 6600, but it refuses to over clock and post now. I'm considering my options for a budget upgrade. Would there be any sense in picking up a AMD FX-8350, or should I wait on the Ryzen 3 line?

>planned to get 144hz monitor
>read this thread
No idea what I'm going to do now lads.

>>61281269
Ryzen 5 1400, why wait for Ryzen 3?

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>>61281292
Get one on amazon or some other place with a 30 day return policy and try it. Return it if you can't deal with it.

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The wait is real.

>>61281448
>le grand macho

>>61281390
I try not to abuse the return policy. Feel like worst case scenario I could just lower the refresh rate, until I get a better gpu. Might just save up for for 1440 now though.

>>61281473
Isn't that literally what the policy is for? Dissatisfied buyers? Whatever nigga

>>61281269
just get a r5 1600, you wont regret it

>>61281457

>95w passive, 300w with fan

Bolt a goddamn san ace/delta fan to it and skylake-x is air cooling territory.

>>61281544
>le grand macho

>>61279088
>7700k
maybe because its too busy stuttering

Besides OCing - are there any other features of high-end mobo that you use which aren't there in ~$100 ones?

>>61280315
dolphin is light as fuck and that thing run wells on a $50 CPU as long as there's a dedicated GPU

>>61281632
b350 mobo are overclockables and most of them are around / lower than $100
As to answer your question: better VRM, more PCIe lane (depends on chipset), better audio, more USB, more M.2, more PCIe slot

>>61280372
I have 2 external USB 3.0 HDD's (both 2tb, can't remember the model rn). Every two weeks I copy all my important shit onto them both. One goes in my dresser. The other in my safe.

>>61281659
Alright looks seems like besides better VRM don't really need a better board than a basic one.

>>61281583

Hey, if it can handle a 9590 anything it can't handle can't be air cooled.

I just got a vg248qe for $86 lmao

>>61282063
Where?

>>61282063
lmao I just stole a hobo's shoes rofl

>>61276761
When will gigabyte release more 1060?

>>61279278
Does high frequency RAM even help with framerate? Isn't overclocked DDR3 better because lower latency?

>>61282215
I priced matched this at best buy yesterday but now the price wont show up http://www.microcenter.com/product/409464/vg248qe_24_1080p_144hz_3d_gaming_led_monitor

What are some good fans for the nzxt s340?

>>61282522
The NZXT s340 fans should be good enough. Any other fans just salvage them from your current build. Otherwise CM fans are fine.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hxM3D8
New mini-itx build with a placeholder GPU

My actual question concerns the GA-AB350N-Gaming Mini-ITX board. Although I'm probably going to wait a month+ to buy the other components because of GPU price faggotry, should I go ahead and buy this board now? I've seen biostar and whatever other brand of Ryzen mini-ITX sell out fast.

>>61282862
Yes

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Just bought this setup for only $300 on craigslist.
How did I do? Should I upgrade anything?

>>61283089
>Update
graphics card if necessary

>>61283089
>950
Consider upgrading the GPU. Everything else is okay.

>>61281292
>tfw reserved a 1440p 144hz monitor to pickup tomorrow for my 1080Ti
I don't know what to feel right now

>>61283269
Which one? Reminder to check for BLB and dead pixels before taking it home. It gets troublesome afterwards if you wanna switch.

>>61281519
you'd have to lie about the return reason to get free return shipping. not that guy though, so i don't give a shit

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>>61278608
MSI board owner here. The biggest issue for most people is the long ass POST time, although it's not a huge deal for me since I hardly ever shut down/restart. Aside from that it also sucks at regulating the CPU voltage, so I have to set it manually to stop it from turning my 1600x into a nuclear reactor under load.

>>61283612
In my view if a product doesn't meet my standards for it then it is defective. For example, if a monitor has unacceptable ghosting or backlight bleed or whatever I will claim it as defective.

>>61283818
fair enough because amazon makes enough money to not give a fuck

Out of the 2 mini ITX boards I can buy for Ryzen, which is better, the BioStar or Gigabyte one?

>>61283089
Definitely a good deal for $300 but that GPU is absolute shit.

>>61278046
Sauce

>>61284107
I haven't seen the BioStar one but Gigabyte's VRM design for the B350 chipsets has been pretty bad

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It's time for an upgrade. Do I bite the bullet and upgrade to the 1151 chipset? That would require a new mobo, cpu, and ram. My other option is what, a i7 4790k?

>>61284107
ASRock makes mini-itx boards, get one of those.

>>61284147
If you're changing boards it's probably advisable to go Ryzen 5 1600 at this point, Ryzen 7 if you need it.

>>61284231
Im pretty limited if I don't switch boards right? Isn't 1150 going to be slowly phased out at this point?

>>61284258
Most likely yes it will be phased out.

>>61284266
thanks anon :3

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BCbwQV

How's this look? I'm upgrading from an ITX 2500k build, will be moving the GPU, PSU, HDD, and case over. I want to use the m.2 drive as boot since storage space is limited in my case.

What brand of power supplies do we stay away from? Is xtech strictly office tier?

>>61284147
You're better off with a Ryzen. Haswell before the refresh was pretty bad, you needed to delid it.

>>61283792
Why do they have cringy-ass military names? Mine is a B350 TOMAHAWK

>>61284475
there's a tier ranking of psu online, go find it
stay away from diablotek and cheap corsair crap like the CX, I don't know how many /sqt/ threads I've been to where some faggot has a problem that ultimately lies in having a CX PSU that died after 2-3 years

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>>61284514
>He doesn't play the bazooka

is it worth learning to make custom loops? It looks kinda fun!

Hey guys, I'm slowly buying parts to put together my first custom-built PC.
>Corsair 760T Case
>i7-7700k
>Corsair H100i V2 Liquid Cooling
>Corsair SP120 High Performance fans x4 (push/pull config)
>Corsair AF140 High Performance fan x1 (exhaust)
>ASUS ROG Strix Z270E Gaming mobo
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gb 3200mhz ram
>Samsung 960 EVO 500gb M.2 PCIe-NVMe SSD
>Seagate BarraCuda 3TB HDD
>Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080ti
>EVGA 750 GQ 80+ Gold PSU

Thoughts? I plan to plug this computer into my 60hz, 43" 4K tv. Already purchased the mobo and CPU cooler, most items coming next week, SSD and CPU coming in August, GPU in September, due to paychecks

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>>61284514
>Tomahawk
>Military
>Not chopping wood with it
explain yourself

>>61283792
>The biggest issue for most people is the long ass POST time
Have you measured your POST time?
Go to Event Viewer, go to applications -> microsoft -> windows, click diagnostics-performance. The 100 ID events are boot time measurements.
Post a screenshot.

>>61284554
It's an expensive rabbit hole but if you have the money and time it's a hobby like anything else

>>61284576
I plan to do 4k/1440p gaming at constant 60fps, content creation (videos, music, photoshop), other general work. Will upgrade ram to 32gb after the first of the new year. Keep in mind, I'm upgrading from a laptop with an i7-5500U 2.4 dual-core with 8gb ram and a GTX 950M 2gb. Screen is 17.3" 1080p, and it runs a lot of games well, but modern games kinda fail. Most modern game to run well on it is Civ 6

>>61284554
>Is it worth taking heroin? It looks kinda fun!

>>61284576
>I plan to plug this computer into my 60hz, 43" 4K tv.
Check TV for input lag where if you press a button on your controller it takes a noticeable half-second or quarter of a second for the input to translate into action. Some are notorious for this.

>>61284576
Get a Ryzen 5/7, 7700k is pointless for 4k gaming due to the huge GPU constraint

>>61284612
Heroin is cheaper than custom water cooling at least. And you can take drugs to get off it but nothing will cure water cooling.

>>61284606
If you're doing video editing/encoding then you definitely want a Ryzen 7.

>>61284627
>Water cooling
Look at this pleb. Wait till you discover liquid nitrogen cooling

>>61284637
What motherboard combined with what RAM is guaranteed to work 100% out of the box without having to fucking update the BIOS just to get to 3000Mhz RAM? Expense doesn't matter.

>>61284613
It's not a dedicated gaming monitor with 1hz lag, it's got about 20hz. Well more than if I got exactly what I wanted, but for the size and given how minimal the difference really is, I can live with it. Been gaming on it with my PS4 Pro and I'm more put off by the occasional lag spike in the PS4 games than in the input lag

>>61284619
Already purchased the motherboard with a Z270 chipset. Plus, I'm not as familiar with Ryzen/etc. I'll stick with intel until my next build

>>61284637
Focusing more on songwriting/recording than videos. I have other resources at a nearby university for videos and stuff. Music composition/analysis is my primary content creation focus, aside from photoshop

>>61284648
>already fucked up

Well shit man, return it. You're not familiar with Intel desktop rigs either if you only have a laptop.

>>61284648
>20hz input lag
lol, meant 20ms input lag. 20hz would be horrendous

>>61284640
No one does this except extreme autists and they're barely even human

>>61284598
>>61284612
>>61284627
>>61284640
Thanks guys, I think i'll stick to my air cooling and Warhammer

>>61284648
Get an actual gaming monitor, it will save you a headache.

Trying to pick up a simple gpu with some cuda, video acceleration, and support for vulkan. Not gaming oriented in the slightest.

Are low-profile 700s or 900s even alright

>>61284664
I appreciate the input, and I did think about it, but for what I need it for, I'll just stick with the i7-7700k for a couple years.

>>61284676
tempting, but I don't have the space for it in my apartment (no desk, etc. Mouse and keyboard on a foldable table in my room in front of the tv). My TV will have to do, and I'm pleased with it. If I really do have issue with it later on, I'll get a monitor after the first of the new year

>>61284674
>Hey this AIO is pretty cool
>Hey this custom loop thing is pretty cool
>But I am still 5 degrees above ambient
>What if I could be 10 degrees BELOW ambient

I'm too autistic to make a final decision on which b250m mobo brand to go with, can someone decide for me please?

>>61284641
There are no guarantees with OCing even with Intel. That said, I've had good luck with a Ryzen 7 1700X, ASUS Crosshair VI Hero, and G.Skill Trident Z memory @ 4000 which downclocks to 3200.

>>61284728
MSI tomahawk

>>61284576
>>61284606
>>61284613
>>61284619
>>61284637
>>61284648
>>61284664
>>61284673
>>61284676
>>61284697
Any advice as too keeping it cool? The A/C in my apartment is strong enough that in 98 degree outdoor heat, I need a blanket/sweater in my room. Advice on RAM, or GPU, or putting it together? I've never built one myself, but for a couple months I've been doing a shit ton of research on how to build one

why does every decent mobo have to be so fucking gay?

>>61276761
You guys never helping me ffs.

>>61284757
Or just any other thoughts? Limitations to expect, r8 my build, etc

>>61284759
i prefer my mobos to be homosexual actually

When is this mining shit going to end. I can't buy a GPU like this. I'd feel like such a cuck.

>>61284826
Early 2018 at best.

>>61284826
It's never gonna end...
>>61284823
Me too!
>>61284768
You're welcome <3

>>61283351
Acer XG270HU
Did I fuck up?

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Save me /g/
I just wanted to upgrade my CPU so I looked around and found that the FX-8350 looked to be best but then read some shit that it's not optimal for my mobo and that it would eventualy fry itself and would probably be best to upgrade my mobo and just get an intel cpu that was better anyway. I dont want to fall down this rabbithole of wanting to upgrade one thing and ending up replacing the whole thing.

Lend me your advice.

>>61284928
270? Freesync?
Yeah it is decent

FUCK OFF CRYPTOCURRENCY I WANT A NEW GPU ALREADY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Just sold my Rx 580 4gb for 425$. Does a 1060 6gb perform better than the 580?

>need a psu for a friend's shitty computer
>go to best buy
>buy a 400W Dynex PSU against better judgement
>fucking $40
>"it'll be fine anon I just need it to work"
>go back and install it
>gets hot and loud almost immediately

I told her it was a bad idea but whatever. I hope she doesn't call me one day telling me it's on fucking fire.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2008/05/13/getting_best_buy_on_power_supply/8

>>61285209
>doesn't call me one day
nigga she's already dead. You fucked up

>>61284947
Replace the whole fucking thing. Get on the cheapest Ryzen you can find.

>>61285088
Maybe mining will help push for better GPUs?
It sure is adding some money to the market.

>>61285334
I think most manufacturers don't like it because miners are just opportunistic, don't form any brand loyalty and abuse RMAs.

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I'll be traveling next month and I'd like to play some vidya while I'm away, mostly Tekken 7 to fight against the locals... any recommendations for a gayming laptop lads? it doesn't have to be too expensive.

>>61285446
Acer Aspire V15 Black Edition is a good one, just overheats a bit. Get an external mouse/keyboard and hook it up to a TV and you're golden

>>61284950
I hope it'll turn out fine when I try it. It was either that Acer or the Dell S2417DG. I'm not sure if it is worth making sacrifices for G-Sync.

>>61285446
Pretty much anything with a 1060 that doesn't throttle like a bitch would work.

>>61285490
In my experience it is but I'm at 2560x1440 so the FPS drops a lot more frequently.

>>61285446
>"""gaming"""" """""""""""""""""laptop""""""""""""""""
take a book and read it faggot

What is a good mouse pad?
I got this cheap Steelseries one from a few years ago.
It worked well but it gets dirty and is hard to clean, and the edges have curled.

Something easy to clean and machine washable would be best. And just a bit bigger than standard size.

>>61285549
I use the large ones that also go under the keyboard. Just make sure you get one that is stitched along the border so it can't fray.

>>61285560
I have this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WY1BDZE

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/category/components/cases?fs=3197479

which is best case? I can't decide


I will have motherboard which is
ATX Form Factor (30.5×24.4cm)

and two gpu

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bwjJ9W

thoughts and feedback?

i cant find a RX580 anywhere

>>61285633
Good luck getting a GPU, m8. I would spring for 16gb of RAM personally and at a higher speed. Ryzen likes fast memory so if you can get it and it's on the board's QVL then you should.

Speaking of the board, that one is pretty expensive you could pretty much go for a X370 board at that price I think.

>>61276761
Is completely random freezing/locking with no BSOD a sign of possible bad RAM? Assuming I've replaced the motherboard and GPU and made sure there is no overheating problems. After checking the manual for the board the sticks in there aren't under "compatible".

>>61285758
Yes.
It's not only RAM but the VRAM of GPUs can also lead to random black screens and freezing problems, see the r9 290 or r9 200 series with it's freezing problems if you have elpida memory.

>>61285633
Get 3200mhz RAM if you can afford it.

>>61285633
go for a 380x or 290x/390x if you can find it below normal rx 580/480 prices. Better yet go get a Fury.

>>61285758
Run memtest. That is the easiest way to detect bad memory.

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This is my first build, what do you guys think?Also I have a hdd already and 1k is my budget. I just want it for gaming and maybe some streaming. I also want it to handle ultra settings in some high end games as well.

>>61285844
"1K is my budget"

That's already over 1K, more specific please.

>>61285844
>1k budget
>Buys 200 GPU
What did he mean by this?

>>61285798
>Run memtest. That is the easiest way to detect bad memory.
Done it many times and it never shows any errors. But my RAM is pretty much the only thing I haven't swapped by now.

>>61285844
>$800 for a 1080
made my night

>>61285880
>No error
Then your RAM isn't faulty. Try updating your bios since there might be some instability issues due to your RAM not being under the QVL.

>>61285879
>>61285865
well the 1080 is usually around 500 but idk why its so high now

>>61285885
Fuck, I thought that was a price scalped 1080Ti. Kek

>>61285892
>idk why its so high now
Read the OP. It was 500 dollars maybe 3 to 4 months ago.

>>61285844
At that price you should get a 1080 Ti for less.

>>61285889
>Try updating your bios
Last time I did this the update didn't work properly and broke the chip so I'm hesitant to do it again.

>>61285892
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125908

While supplies last.

>>61285903
ooo ok I was wondering why the sold out and the price jumped up.

>>61285916
>Uses RAM not on the QVL
>Doesn't update his Bios
>Memtest says no problems yet he still thinks it is the RAM
Alright. Then just remove your RAM and go buy a RAM on your QVL list.

>>61285941
There's some on Newegg for $500ish right now.

>>61285938
>Blower fan

>>61285958
Probably just get an aftermarket cooler for it at this point given how shitty the GPU market is

>>61278588
Is your pc running slow or not being able to run certain game/program?
If yes upgrade
If no don't
It's that simple

>>61285947
I only think it could be the RAM because its the last thing I've yet to swap out. This board is notorious for bad BIOS flashes and I'm trying to minimize the risk of buying a complete new board.

>>61286126
*Because I've flashed this same board before and had to RMA after the BIOS chip was bricked. I'm trying to not have that happen again.

>>61286134
If you flashed a bios and it bricked it is because you fucked up.

>>61286147
>If you flashed a bios and it bricked it is because you fucked up
I'd normally agree but the install was hanging after it said it was done.

>>61286163
The RAM is the issue but the RAM isn't faulty

Curved ultrawide or triple moniters? Speaking of gaming and multitasking which one is better?

>>61286177
>>61286163
You know what, I just checked the flash drive I used back then and its not formatted in FAT32 so that could've been part of the problem.

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>>61285549
>>61285560
fuck I forgot why I even went to amazon
I ended up buying 9lbs of candy
now I have to go back and get a mousepad

>>61276761
I-IS THE GPU OK?

>>61278324
its taxes you fucking idiot. nobody forced you to subscribe to socialism/communism

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Best 4 tb internal hard drive available? Looking at Seagate Currently

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Recommend me some good 480w 80+ PSU's for this build lads;

R5 1600
MSI B350M Gaming Pro
8GB DDR4-2400
HD7850 2GB (will upgrade that one later to a rx470 or something when the cryptojews have fucked off again)
2 HDD's, no dvd drives or anything

>>61286259
Not sure if you're willing to do this, but in the rig I just built, I got 2 2TB Seagate Barracudas (2016 model) and run them in RAID 0 for my Steam Games. Faster than any 4TB standalone drive would be but costs about $130.

>>61286280
I would do that but I only have room for one more hard drive and only have one SATA slot left

>>61286191
>>61286177
Nah actually, I'm seeing countless people get a hanging BIOS update for this board so I'm confident its just a shitty board. Would buying "compatible" RAM provide a workaround for me without having to flash the board?

>>61286305
If it is a shit board then there is no guarantee is there?

>>61286273
EVGA G2/G3s are nice if you're going fully modular. Warranty is 7 to 10 years depending on the wattages, lower tends to be 7. (G2 is a larger PSU, G3 is a smaller form factor). They range from 550W to 1000W I think. Only thing people don't like about them is on-wire capacitors.

>>61286305
What board so we can steer clear of it and possibly help more.

>>61286321
Good point, recommended current board for the 6700k?

>>61286386
Z170 pro gaming, check the comments of the video here and you can see many people are having the same issue. Its also in some of the newegg reviews. When I bought the board the chipset was new so I didn't have anything to go off of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvHvI10zQHw

>>61286395
Just get the ones with good reviews?

>>61286404
I have a Z270 and I don't have any bios problems

>No i5

Why?

>>61286290
The Best but EXPENSIVE 4TB HDD is WD Black 4TB (2016) @ ~$195. The next after that is 2016 Seagate Barracudas for ~$114, and then after that if you don't like Seagate is a Toshiba X300 for $116

Gathered from "Effective Speed" rankings from the site below.

http://hdd.userbenchmark.com

>>61286444
Ryzen beats i5 in everything but low res/high refresh rate gaymen and heavily single threaded workloads.

>>61286203
This was part of my plan all along

t. Amazon staff

I want a silent pc but live in a hot climate.
What do.

>>61286472
>everything but low res/high refresh rate
that's false
i5 beats Ryzen in any game that is non-CPU intensive and in any emulator, that's about it
I'll become a bottleneck far before reaching high refresh rate, remember all the processes you're cramming into only 4 threads

>>61286500
Emulator falls under heavily single threaded workloads. Also, "non-CPU" intensive and only 4 threads? What?Ryzen 5s have more than 4 threads.

>>61286558
Oh, you meant i5s will bottleneck in games due to 4 threads only. That's highly dependent on the game. You can force your OS to use CPU 0 and the game to use 1, 2, and 3 and if the game only used 3 threads, yes, the i5 would reach a higher fps than Ryzen would.

>>61286605
>That's highly dependent on the game
Hence why i said CPU intensive
>if the game only used 3 threads, yes, the i5 would reach a higher fps than Ryzen would.
Thankfully no game uses only 3 threads, even the piece of shit that Arma 3 is can make 8+ threads work although most of the load will still be on only one
>Emulator falls under heavily single threaded workloads
PS3/Xbox: yes
PS2: a bit but not that much
Anything else is not that CPU heavy if any

>>61286605
While stuttering like a bitch, no thanks

>Wanted to build a pc
>/g/ convinces me to go with ryzen 1600
>mining fagits increase prices and lower availability of middle class gpus
>I will just build the rest and wait for gpu prices to normalize
>Oh wait I can't do that cuz ryzen 1600 doesn't have iGPU

>>61286732
are you me?

this is the story of my life right now...

>>61286741
I imagine a lot of people are in the same situation right now. I Google when will etherium mining end at least 3 times a day

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>>61286732
>>61286741
pic related

>built everything
>no gpu

Fucking miners ruing supply of components, this is the worst time to build a PC and i can't see it getting better.

I don't see miner specific GPUs improving the situation either, since the miners are buying literally every GPU they can see.

>>61286623

>Thankfully no game uses only 3 threads

Fun fact: far cry 3 won't boot unless it detects at least 3 threads.

>PS3/Xbox: yes

RPCS3's suggested cpu is either haswell-e or ryzen 7.

>>61286732
Literally get a shitty low tier GPU and it will be better than Intel's cumfart of an iGPU

>>61286778
>>61286769
>>61286741
Pick up a $20 GPU and wait for the dust to settle. There's a fair amount of cheap 6000/8000HD series Radeons.

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Will a 4790k bottle neck a 1080ti?

>>61286897
Will your mom bottleneck Chad's dick?

>>61286897
It won't unless you play at 800x600 with VSync off

>>61286912
>>61286933
Can you give me a serious answer?

>>61286778
Poor baby. If only AMD included essential features such as integrated GPU.

>>61286951
>essential features
>integrated GPU

>>61286957
Essential for troubleshooting hardware, essential for basic operations of the system, essentially blows AMD fags out of the water.

>>61286897
there is no single or multi graphics cards setup currently on the market that an overclocked 4790k will bottleneck in games

>>61286943
800x600 anon here. That was a serious answer. Even Ryzen @ 1080p and 3.97Ghz on GTA V on very high (VSync and ultra foliage off) fails to bottleneck the GPU in most instances (CPU/GPU utilization around 95-99+ percent most of the time).

>>61287010
The GPU becomes the bottleneck at 1440p and higher.

>>61287021
>>61287006
I'm at 2560x1440p tho

Waiting to buy a GPU.

What would still fit well with a 2500k@4,2ghz in order to not bottleneck either too much?

>>61287032
The 1080 Ti will bottleneck the system before the CPU would then.

>>61287006
That's complete horse shit though. It's entirely dependent on the game. There are plenty of games where a 7700K at 5GHz will be the limiting factor in performance when paired with a 1080 Ti. Only complete tech-illiterates talk of "bottlenecks" in absolute terms.

>>61287057
Mafia III is an example of a hard CPU bottleneck due to poor ass porting. Nothing can currently play that shit at a solid 60fps with no dips.

>>61287001
Hardly essential considering it wasn't a thing until fairly recently. Also Intel's enthusiast platforms don't have igpus either

>>61287054
This question makes no sense unless you specify a resolution and target fps

>>61286951
x299 doesn't have iGPUs either even though the platform is insanely expensive

>>61287128
>>61287128

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I'm thinking about upgrading my system(pic related) with a new Intel core and either 4x2GB or 2x4GB DDR2 Ram at <400Mhz
will
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q9650-3-00-GHz-4-Prozessor-SLB8W-/122584651641?epid=66184301&hash=item1c8a9d5779:g:kjcAAOSw-29ZXjpl
and
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Apacer-RAM-4-x-2GB-PC2-6400-Speicher-240pin-nonECC-DDR2-800-8GB-Arbeitsspeicher-/232317406047?hash=item3617324b5f:g:2-AAAOSwZ4dZJwkt
suffice?
What should I do about my GPU?
I mostly use it for gayming but I don't mind using the lower spectrum of settings.

>>61287261
see if your mobo supports a xeon instead, some of them could be modded to fit into 775

also grab an rx 560 or 1050ti

how do I pick out a mobo?
What makes a mobo "good"?

>>61287261
Do NOT spend 60 euros on a Core2Quad. You can get an X5450 or E5450 and do a 771-->775 mod for next to nothing. Spending much more than that and you'd be better off just getting a new Pentium G4560 build

>>61287348
>>61287762
but doesn't the modding come with the risk of frying my mobo or BIOS?

>>61287858
If you don't want to try it, get a q9550. Half the price and you only give up 0.166 GHz.

>>61287858
>>61287909
This doesn't look good:

Due to chipset limitation, 1333FSB processors can only run at a maximum speed of 1066FSB on this motherboard.

Try overclocking your E6600. Does your FSB go over 1066? If not I believe any 1333MHz FSB chips are going to run at 80% speed.

>>61278011
Fractal mini c

I just bought new components to build a pc with relatively top of the line components (i7-7700k, 1tb NVMe, 4k 60hz monitor etc) except I'm using a gtx 970 reference card. How bad will I bottleneck when running computations or gaming? Probably will upgrade to the next iteration of the gtx x80.

how long until I can buy a mid range card for a mid range price?
I'm still stuck with my Radeon HD 7800 from like a fucking decade ago because I use to be a poor fag.

Do you guys know what the most minimalist pc case is?

Man, i wish i went for the RX 570 i saw at black friday for about $150..

But noooo... i was telling myself don't be selfish, your mum is struggling for money so give her some, and you need money for christmas presents.

Moron.

>>61287974
Where exactly do I see my FSB in my Bios?
And lets say I do notmind the 20% speed loss.
Will buying FSB800 Ram while having a 1066/1333MHz Chip not somehow create a conflict and thus slow me down even more?

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First pc build for me is this good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nysmcc

>>61288980
change the CPU to a Pentium G4560.
Change the motherboard to a B250 chipset, otherwise, it won't work.
Scrap the GT 730 (seriously, that thing is a few years old). I'd look at either an RX550, RX560/RX460, GT 1030, a GTX 1050, or a GTX 1050Ti.
change the PSU to something semi-modular or fully modular with black cables. IIRC< Seasonic has a 512W PSU around that price.
If you're going for 16GB of ram, get 2 8GB sticks to take advantage of the dual channel memory.

>>61288980
fixed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bd6qnn

>>61288960
>Will buying FSB800 Ram while having a 1066/1333MHz Chip not somehow create a conflict and thus slow me down even more?
No. Your current RAM is 800MHz (400MHz DDR) and you'd be running at the same bus speed you currently are. Your mobo has the divider for 1066 to run 800MHz RAM.

As to where FSB is in your BIOS, there should be an overclocking section. Looking at the manual it's in Advanced-->AI Tuning (set to Manual)-->CPU frequency
You may want to lower the DRAM frequency if you attempt to raise the FSB, since otherwise that will overclock your RAM as well.

Daily reminder that if you're getting any sort of WD drive that you should fix your drive's aggressive head parking

https://wdullaer.com/blog/2015/04/05/hack-your-wd-greens/

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>>61289166
Really like it I would go that man, also for future upgrades should I always do dual channel?

>>61289518
I'd put future upgrades in the motherboard, CPU, or GPU. The ram is fine. If you don't plan to upgrade the motherboard, here's what I'd do.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VxH8BP

The AM4 platform has a lot more upgrade options available.