AMD Radeon Vega clock to clock with R9 Fury X: no IPC

>>61264050
>it's another GPU shitposting thread
Fucking stop already. It's not even funny anymore.

>>61264050
Cool, I've been editing 4K video on my Fury today and it's comfy. Getting that kind of performance for a fraction of the heat and noise with an undervolted Vega sounds great. I'm sure Apple thought exactly the same thing.

>>61264050
>No "IPC" improvements
>on games on unfinished drivers

meanwhile on anything else there's a big "IPC" improvement

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AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH*wheezes*HAHAHAHAHA

get told faggots. now thats it proven to be a stinker the amd shills don't want to talk about it

>>61264376
No everywhere, but yes, SPEC shows really buff "IPC" gains in most workloads.
I wish RTG hired some nVidia driver wizards.

>>61264408
You're that
>GPUs are growing far faster than CPUs, CPUs are a dying market
anon?
Stop shitposting.

>>61264422
they basically gave higher priority to the professional drivers, seeing that they're selling vega based stuff to datacenters too

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>>61264050
Pascal is no faster than Maxwell clock for clock. Why does it matter? Why would anybody ever underclock their cards by hundreds of megahurrz and intentionally cripple its performance? The entire point of the new process and architecture is that it clocks a lot higher. I don't get what this is supposed to prove.

>>61264458
These are not even professional drivers, they lack software certification and profiles.
It's simply Vega drivers.
Right now Vega works like overclocked Fiji.
>>61264460
Pascal was about moar ALUs. Vega is about better perf/watt just like Maxwell was.

>>61264436
no im the

Repeat after me:

1070 level performance

anon

>>61264505
yes, but the certified drivers are not that different from these ones, they're just better refined and well, certified

the workloads they're being used on are still compute ones

>>61264547
Well, yes. It would be nice to see WX Vega versus P6000 battle.
>>61264535
Oh well i though you're the other retard that unironically thinks GPUs are anything but toys and niche number crunchers.

>>61264505
They're pro drivers, Vega has 10bit output support, that's not a generic or gaming driver feature.
As if the tremendously different SPEC scores at the same clocks weren't indicative enough, these are through and through Pro drivers, just not certified, that certification would affect a number of applications, but the performance would largely stay the same outside of those

>>61264653
Wait, Bega FE has 10bit output in $1k card with all that compute?
That's beyond neat.

>>61264693
It's on the official FE page listed under specs IIRC

>>61264703
Sorry i'm dumb and never check official specs since they are marketing memes 99% of the time.

I'm not buying a GPU anytime soon but AMD really needs a 1080-tier GPU, something over $400, but a $700 one 1% of the market has.

>>61264805
That's Vega11 and we don't know when and if Vega11 really is some ~350-400mm^2 die.

>>61264805
The RX Vega should hit close to that.
I'll be getting RX Vega no matter what, because I want a great Linux supported GPU.

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>>61264050
>no IPC
Way to be a faggot, OP.

>Another interesting story was published by GamersNexus. They tested both Frontier and Fury X clock to clock (1050 MHz) to compare the actual IPC gain on two parts. Surprisingly Vega is showing zero performance gain when games are considered. However, Vega actually does perform better in SPECviewperf - a benchmark tool Vega Frontier was actually designed for. This means that there are some architectural upgrades, but they are unlikely to be reflected in games. Frontier is only doing better in games, because of the higher clock speed.

tl;dr wait for actual gaming drivers/RX Vega you dumb cucks.

>>61264408
>>61264535
All you did is shit up the board, all you do is continue to shit up the board, and everything you say is based on lies, misinformation and incomplete data. Kill yourself, you useless sack of shit.

>>61264408
>beats Titan XP in some pro apps.

AHAAHAAHAAAAHAHHHHHAAAAAAA
nVidia BTFO

>>61264825
Good luck with the TDP

>>61265207
What?

The "not for gaming" thing is pure damage control, it's honestly boring at . Titans are great at gaming. Even Quadros, which are workstation cards literally not meant for gaming at all, can game. The FE game benchmarks are valid, just as Titan benchmarks are. There's no magical fucking difference between a gaming card and a "pro" card, they're the same silicon. Workstation cards just have much high QC, enhanced features and better software support and certified drivers. (Fe doesn't even have certified drivers) The Radeon Pro Duo is a double Fury X. Vega FE is RX Vega. The "but it's not a gaming card" is easily the dumbest excuse I've ever seen on this board.

>>61265271
It's not for gaming as in
>we failed to deliver proper drivers in time enjoy your glorified compute board

>>61265271
>The "not for gaming" thing is pure damage control

Indeed it is. The reason why the work cards are not recomended for gaming is not that they have shit gaming performance, but because they cost a lot, that's all there is to it. It's still the same fucking GPU.

>>61264871
You just can't deal with the fact that Vega is the Bulldozer or GPU's. /g/ has been telling people to wait for Vega for two fucking years, and now people are already changing the narrative to "wait for Navi." The AMD shilling is out of control on this board. How does it feel to have waited so long for 1070 performance you disgusting shill. How does it fucking feel?

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>>61265271
You've got to be brain damaged if you think AMD released Vega FE to market with any intention other than: "Fuck, the second quarter is going to end and this is all we'll have ready. Quick, brand the early silicon as workstation prosumer cards to excuse the horrible gaming performance it will have in order to buy us some time for the drivers."

It's shit and AMD knows it's shit. If this was the end result they never would have released it. I'll eat my words if RX Vega comes out and performs exactly the same but until then the only thing that makes sense, and the only reason the entire fucking Vega project wasn't scrapped before tape out last year, is that software optimizations will salvage performance. This GPU never would have taped out if it was FuryX +/- 15% performance.

>>61265360
At least it works as MI25 demo.

>>61264408
You can really tell how AMD's marketing team is telling everyone to stay low and focus all their shitposting efforts on Skylake-X.

>>61265431
>AMD
>marketing team
I wish they had one.

>>61265348
You're just shitting up the board as usual. Kill yourself.

>>61264050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yudueaG5_rE

This confirms that, as of right now, there is zero difference between "Pro" and "Gaming" modes of Vega FE.

This is good news for those holding out hope that a driver will boost Vega's performance.

>>61265439
AMD can't buy proper ads which is why they have to hire pajeets earning a few cents per post. This board is the biggest conglomerate of AMD shills I have ever seen.

>>61265799
>hope
What? Fuck even leddit is smart enough to figure out that TBR and primitive shaders are necessary for Vega to perform any decently in gayms.
>>61265823
Too bad it's H1Btel that hires fuckton of pajeets/bajeets/rasheeds/whatever.

Like not even discard accelerator is working right now in Vega and it's Polaris tech.

>>61264050
Let's be real, lads. If Vega was any good they wouldn't have been sitting on it for over a year.

>>61265870
You do know that R&D cycle takes time and writing drives takes even more time (for new uarch at very list).

>>61265843
>even leddit is smart enough to figure out
I'm just posting a link faggot. There are still people out there bashing Vega FE's performance and pretending like that this is it.

>>61265843
>Too bad it's H1Btel that hires fuckton of pajeets/bajeets/rasheeds/whatever.

Uh huh, sure, that's why the board is filled with amd propaganda and people treating this company as if they were some kind of holy angels that need to be protected and cherished, while placing the blame of ALL its shortcomings on other companies, right?

>>61265884
So much time that they miss our on almost 2 release cycles?

>>61265893
>amd propaganda
Wew lad.
>>61265890
There's nothing to hope, we can only wait up until little smelly pajeets in RTG deliver working condition drivers.
>>61265900
Oh you fucking bet. Vega has fuckton of changes.

>>61265884
AMD did the exact same thing with Bulldozer, remember? They sat on it for 6 months while doing jack shit in order to build up hype before release.

>>61265912
Like what?

>>61265919
>muh bulldozer
Let's not resort to
>muh 5 series
>muh thermi
>muh shitburst
>muh larrabee will kill all the GPUs
etc etc
>>61265925
>Like what?
Are you retarded?

>>61265799

>shillnexus

>>61265936
Nah, show me the fuckton of changes that justifies not having a flagship gpu since fury

>>61265952
Google them, dear /v/edditor.

>>61265955
>t-theyre gonna release something big
>just google for the proof
Just lol

>>61265968
You need to go back.

>>61265978
So this is the power of pajeet shilling...

>>61265884
Yeah it takes time but it's time before you launch so you're not throwing your product off a cliff with no fucking parachute at least.

>>61265951
They don't shill anything. The only thing they've been wrong about is the "Ryzen 7: An i5 in Gaming" video and that was distinctly bullshit and they will end up retracting that opinion eventually.

>>61265994
>you're not throwing your product off a cliff with no fucking parachute at least.
That was the only way for them to meet "Q2 2017" promise.
>>61265993
Anon this is the most effortless shitposting i've seen this week.

>>61265936
I was simply pointing out how sketchy the Vega launch is, it reminds me of the shit AMD pulled to advertise Bulldozer. Why do people pretend AMD is some perfect angel company? They just released a $1000 defective product. That's worthy of criticism regardless of what Nvidia or Intel have done.

>>61266007
I thought it was on par with you back to /v/ argument desu

>>61266016
>defective
WHAT?
>>61266020
My argument is perfectly valid. You want to shitpost - you go to /v/.

>>61266025
>defective
He's sort of right. It's not performing up to its capabilities.

>>61266039
It's performing perfectly fine in compute. No one advertised it as a gaymen card.

>>61266025
Asking for proof of your claim isn't shitposting. If you want to claim that amd has done magical things with their soon to come flagship,you better post some proof.

>>61266025
Vega FE rivals Kaby Lake X and Skylake X as worst launch of the year.
>muh q2 promise
No one fucking cares. It's a shit product with no drivers. You're nothing but an AMD shill.

>>61266058
>No one fucking cares.
Shareholders do. Angry sharegolders > angry (man)children.
>>61266057
Google it.

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>>61264085

>fell for "you're not funny" meme

>>61266055
Titans arent advertised for gaming and they do just fine. Stop defending AMD releasing a card with no software support.

>>61266076
Titans are no longer prosumer cards my friend. They are toys now. Overpriced toys.

>>61266084
So is Vega FE. No certified drivers and perdormance in professional applications is all over the place. It was causing system hangs running fucking Blender.

Again, Vega FE is one of the worst products of the year.

>>61266055
The only reason it wasn't advertised as a gaming card is because the software side isn't ready. The GPU is the fucking same thing.

>>61266076
Titans haven't been scientific/workstation cards for what, like 3 years? Gaming is all they're good for.

>>61266110
3/10 you tried.

>>61266058
>Vega FE rivals Kaby Lake X and Skylake X as worst launch of the year.
http://www.strawpoll.me/13326793/r

>>61266117
>It was causing system hangs running fucking Blender.
Because Steve the cuck used 2.78 with OpenCL which was bugged.
Steve stop shitposting.

>>61266117
>No certified drivers
It's being marketed towards game developers and other non-system-critical workstation tasks.
>perFormance in professional applications is all over the place
Looked pretty consistent to me.
>It was causing system hangs running fucking Blender.
That was a bug in Blender that was fixed. https://pastebin.com/tVuwaLCV

>>61266004
>Ryzen 7: An i5 in Gaming

He's not wrong though.

A Ryzen 7 is literally just an i5 in gaming save for AMD sponsored games. Even then an actual i5 and i7 shits on it hard.

>>61266134
1/10, you're not even trying anymore.
>>61266141
Brian it's time to unJUST your fabs.

>>61266141
No.

>>61266151
Come on, pajeet. You gotta back up your claims

>>61266118
10bit color support and fucking 2:1 FP16 are not typical gaymen features. I'd say it's "prosumer" positioning is justified.

>>61266159
Anon that's not how you shitpost. Calling someone pajeet is lame.

>>61264085
no, how would i get my info then ?
people always argue ,post different source ,discuss leaks
it's very practical

Why is AMD allowed to let their customers beta test their products? They did the same thing with Ryzen.

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>>61266141
This is the fate of all i5's in games. Their low core/thread count will lead to 100% CPU usage and massive framedrops.

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>>61266193
Another one. The 1% just gets fucking rekt by the corelet threadlet i5.

>>61264244
>300-375 watt vega card
>blower fan
>less heat and noise

wut

>>61266199
Ok but first you must proof of your claims

>>61266207
I think Bajeet is better.
>>61266212
>undervolted
I can't read: the post?
>>61266215
t. retard

>>61266218
t. Wild claims, No Proofs dood

>>61266239
t. retard

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>>61266239
>W-Where are the proofs?
Shut the fuck up already, you should listen to yourself. Not even the guy you've been faggily responding to but if you haven't been paying attention to anything for the past 3 years you don't deserve having every fucking piece of GPU info spoonfed to you. Where the fuck do you think you are?

>>61266259
t. No proof

>>61266125
did they fixed the problem with HBM2 memory clock ?

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>>61266205
>>61266193
>ddr4 2400mhz on ryzen

Why live

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>>61266273
>reposting results from the guy who got called out for getting the same results on a "5GHz" 7700k as others on 4GHz 7700k's
toplel

>>61266273
i can't get my ram past 2993

>>61266266
What do you want proof of again? That Fiji can be massively undervolted? Have an article from Tom's Shillware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-afterburner-undervolt-radeon-r9-fury,4425.html

>>61266273
>>61266298
You know it's not that hard to find the source for this, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA

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>>61266193
>>61266205
the lack of R5s proves these are ancient benchmarks of a cherrypicked game

but whatever. It takes a massive idiot to fall for the jewtel shills on /g/ and I'm not one to prevent that.

>>61266346
>inb4 you're not funny

>>61266346
You're not funny.

This board is basically r/AMD and you're worried about Intel shills? Almost every single CPU and GPU thread for the past two yeats has been an AMD shill thread.

My fury x will live on for another year

>>61264460
The 1080 have less cores than 980ti

>>61266449
And higher clocks. And moar L2 afaik.

My r9 290x has been super comfy for two years now. No issues playing any games or making videos on Vegas.

>>61264408
Of course I want to fucking talk about it.

This is a fucking fiasco and AMD needs to either cann Vega and Release Navi before the end of the year, or fix this shit. I've been a waitfag for too long now.

amd is poor
radeon is made up of old dudes from ati, except all the good ones left
the radeon office is in markham so it doesn't have the brain supply that cali does
your graphics card is made by ati left overs and asian interns

>>61266755
>Release Navi before the end of the year
Do you have any idea how the semiconductor business works?

>>61266393
Mainly because Intel have had domination of the CPU and Nvidia the GPU market. We are sick of their Jewish ways.

>>61266821
Well he's amdfag.

>>61266185
They're too poor to have a proper QA department

>>61266795
And yours is made by Israeli spies

I'll keep the AMD

>>61267140
>nvidia
>Jew
Never got this, Intel is Israeli so I get that but nvidias ceo is a chink, just because they make more money and are more successful or because muh underdog AMD?

>>61268672
Fun fact: both intel and amd have emplyees in Israel but nividia doesn't.

>>61264408
GTX 1070 owner here

Ya dumb ass, that's not a gaming card.
Its a hybird of couse its going to do shit if its a jack of all trades In fact its better than Nvidia's Titan Xp at pro shit.

shut that shit doan we don't want that attention here.

>>61268797
>no ecc memory
>pro

>>61268810
ecc memory is a negative for a lot of professional applications. if I'm rendering video, I don't care if 1/9000000 pixels every 10000 frames is the wrong color if I'd have to slow down by 10% to prevent it.

>>61268907
nobody cares about your edits of 4k gay midget porn in gimp

>>61268810
instinct and wx exists for that

back to original point - it is dual purpose card for gamedev, video editing of giant files and rendering

>>61266184
>info
it's fucking frontier, there is no info. only speculation and signposting using inaccurate or meaningless data from chinks.
just wait till the real card comes out and is benched by real people using actual tests that matter.

>>61268797
Quadro P6000 has identical performance of the Titan Xp.

Vega FE won't be any different than RX Vega

>>61269175
actually p6000 gets better gaming performance surprisingly

>>61269248
only in dx12 for obvious reasons
dx11 titan is faster

>>61264050
There's no need in your MAD Accordion ever because GTX 1050 Ti exists.

>>61266457
yes but thats clock for clock comparison and they come out even, but 1080 has less cores, so 1080 has higher IPC.
Why are amdrones so retarded?

>>61269329
Nah it's faster in everything
go look up the benchmarks

>>61264408
Why does it look so fucking stupid?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6PjLc-DDMY

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>>61266755
>I've been a waitfag for too long now.

>>61269550
>ITS FASTER THAN A 1080!!!1111!!!!
Fuck off linus nobody listens to you anymore until you stop shilling for everyone that puts the most money in your pockets

Friendly reminder: godlike 1050 Ti exists so we don't need some MAD shit anymore.

>>61269639
But you WILL listen to him if he'd say so about your MAD piece of shit, won't you?

>>61266393
That's because intel is shit.

>>61264085
>another man still breathing
Fucking stop it already. You don't even deserve to live anymore.

>>61269657
Nah never going to listen to him ever

>>61269650
isn't it worse than 470?

but considering it's the only card you can buy right now, sure

>>61269657
cognitive dissonance, anon?
shillus was talking about MAD shit there

>>61269703
1050ti is retarded because you can find a 380x cheaper and much better

>>61269753
>you can find a 380x
haven't seen this one for a year anywhere

>>61266141
The autism with this one is strong.
Do some research before you go on spouting shit from your mouth.

>>61264050
a workstation card cant game as good as gaming card!
who would have knew!
meanwhile in the market that this card is launched
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Professional-Testing-SPEC

when pcper the poster shill site of nvidia shows those results you know shit is real

>>61269788
Da proovz bliz.

>>61269679
GTX 1080 is price at 500 so how much will the RX Vega be priced at? 400 USD?

>>61270608
probably same as fury non x
unless some magic happens and TBR kicks in july 30th and it all was a ruse
then it's going to be 650

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>>61270201
P6000 is a lower clocked Titan Xp but double the VRAM and yet it out performs a Titan X 2016 by 17% in hitman.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2865/quadro-p6000

>>61270686
Bad PR to get people to buy the 1080 Ti isn't good for AMD.

>>61264505
Not every professional needs certified drivers

>>61270707
in USA market maybe, rest of the world(well maybe brits) don't care - benchmarks all that matters

>>61270785
If you want that you can always buy the upcoming WX Vega that will 2-3x more

>>61270875
But the USA market is the one with the most money per person. Why would you give that market away to Nvidia?

Irrelevant called Frontier Edition because you're the first in line to experience the lack of drivers.

>>61270702
Going by those minimum framerates it's probably hitting a VRAM bottleneck. That a card with more VRAM performs better than a card with less in that particular scenario shouldn't surprise anyone, workstation card or not.

>>61270939
who cares if all you sell is same 5 cards with constant prices?
yuo'd have a point if videocards were sold by kilogram

>>61270702
You're forgetting that the P6000 also has more CUDA cores enabled compared to the Xp.

>>61270702
okay, what about another game besides hitman?
people keep posting it as a proof, but never post anything else

>>61269788
I've seen about 5 or 6 every 2nd week.
they sell fast but they are ~350NZD or 150USD

>>61270940
Save my ass after promise invesor Vega 2017 H1 please don't buy this beta videocard Edition

>>61271026
P6000 pretty much performs better across the board. Benchmarks are available online. However, the problem is that the retard you're replying to is purposefully omitting the fact that the P6000 has more CUDA cores enabled than the Titan Xp so his point is moot.

>>61270875
Rest of the world buys Nvidia because AMD is too expensive. AMD only has price to performance in America.

>>61271103
My East Europe shithole reflects prices in the US.
Even before the mining craze, now both AMD and Nvidia are overpriced

>>61271020
Did you even read P6000 and the Titan Xp both have 3840. 2016 version has 3584 shaders enabled and also known as "Titan X (Pascal)".

>>61271198
And the benchmark shown is comparing the p6000 to the 2016 version. As far as I am aware of, no charts have been made comparing the 2017 version to the P6000.

>>61271103
amd is cheaper here though

australia and brazil do not count as countries

>>61271217
Anything younger than 500 years does not count as a country.

>>61271268
but brazil was an empire

>>61271290
Brazil is a non-factor, being a dump.

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Simple question /g/ why didn't AMD increase the shader count on the VEGA flagship over the Fury X?
When was the last time time they or Nvidia DIDN'T increase the number of cores on their replacement GPUs generation-to-generation? ROPs are the same too (and I bet they left texture units unchanged as well but we'll see). Even going from the 290X (2816 shaders) to the Fury X (4096) saw an increase and they were both trapped in 28nm hell, while VEGA is made on the new smaller 14nm node which is the perfect time to increase density. There is no excuse.

Even if VEGA's architecture is so alien to current applications or inefficient as to result in no IPC improvements, just increasing the Fury X's unit count + having higher clocks as afforded by the new process tech would have been more of an improvement. Also if all of those things are unchanged, while VEGA's die size @ 14nm is 512.82mm2
https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-GPU-and-PCB-Exposed
and Fiji, having the same specs on 28nm, results in a die size of 596 mm2 (barely ~16% larger)
https://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-graphics-card-reviewed
JUST WHAT IS TAKING UP ALL OF THAT EXTRA DIE SPACE? How can you have a node shrink, not change anything, and still come away with nearly the same size/cost and with worse power/heat? Is this a dark silicon problem? We can see from reference designs that nearly half of the PCB is vacant which should result in shorter AIB cards but what is wrong with this GPU design? This really is Bulldozer all over again where the previous-gen Phenom II X6 1100T's arch out-performed the FX-8150 is everything not MASSIVELY multi-threaded to the point that AMD would have been more competitive by mothballing the entire thing and building a mythical Phenom III X8, X10, X12 etc. using the STARS architecture stacked with MOAR CORES/CACHE.

NAVI better be the their Ryzen of GPUs at this point.

>>61271376
If they want another Ryzen phenomena with their GPU department, they should be starting from scratch and hire someone competent to design the new microarchitecture.

>>61271406
>hire someone competent to design the new microarchitecture
Could you please find me someone MORE competent than fucking R700 and Evergreen dude?
>>61271376
>let's throw moar ALUs when Fiji hit a brick wall with 4k of them
Are you retarded?
>VEGA's die size @ 14nm is 512.82mm2
It's 484mm^2.

>>61271376
>JUST WHAT IS TAKING UP ALL OF THAT EXTRA DIE SPACE?
We don't know. We know no low level details about Vega.
They'll release whitepaper probably at SIGGRAPH.
Wait™.

>>61271417
>>let's throw moar ALUs when Fiji hit a brick wall with 4k of them
>Are you retarded?
I'm hard pressed to see how we'd see worse scaling than what VEGA has put out so far and at a lower power/heat profile.

>>VEGA's die size @ 14nm is 512.82mm2
>It's 484mm^2.
I don't trust Raja at this point for being so secretive this close to official launch and with shipping products already in the market place. AMD is trying to fudge the numbers to damage control this GPU launch in any way they can. Even if that were true, only a 23% reduction.

>>61271434
Yeah, there is a lot of explaining that needs to be done on AMD's part.

>>61271522
>only a 23% reduction
>only

time to stop posting.

>>61271522
>Yeah, there is a lot of explaining that needs to be done on AMD's part.
They gave you all the high-level details back in January.
Now you can guess the way they implemented them.
Good luck!

>>61271548
Can you guys not wait for the optimized drivers before benchmarking a $1000 card designed for mission critical enterprise tasks?

>>61271585
>mission critical enterprise tasks?
What? No, FE has ECC disabled.
>the optimized drivers
It's not "optimized" drivers. It's "working" drivers.

>d-drivers will fix it
>j-just wait!
Sorry drones but, Vega will be shit. No way in hell it'll be better than a 1080 yet alone a 1080ti. AMDs only chance is to price that thing for much cheaper but, considering das hbm ist expensive, it'll most likely be very overpriced for what it actually offers.

>>61271605
Hello friend! You need to stop shitting these threads!

>>61271605
>No way in hell it'll be better than a 1080
if it can beat a 1070 but maybe not a 1080 at the right pricepoint, it'll have some market at least. All depends on the pricepoint, but i'm not that optimistic

>>61271605
isn't that what they said about the 7950 and 7970 and they ended up outperforming the similarily priced nvidia cards

>>61271609
BTW I'm screen capping all of those delicious AMDrone replies. Can't wait to throw out some nice OC when it is finally confirmed that Vega will be a pile of shit.

But go ahead, tell me how it'll be better than a 1080ti by at least 50% kek.

>>61271641
Anon, you need to stop shitting these threads. This is unhealthy behaviour.

>>61271627
HBM2 is expensive, if it has similar performance the card itself will still cost more money.

>>61271655
Nothing to say bud? Common I need some more retarded shits telling me how Vega will be Jesus second coming.

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>>61271605

>>61271585
It's for sale, a product out on market should be judged as is. It's AMD's fault for releasing a product with zero software support and they deserve to be criricized for it.

Every time amd fucks up something saves them.

>crypto (2011,2013, 2017)
>nintendo deal
>various die shrinks such as 14nm

How can one company be so fucking lucky

>>61271538
When TSMC transitioned from 28nm to 16nm, Nvidia's Big Maxwell GM200 (601 mm2) shrunk to 471mm2 with Big Pascal GP102. That represented a ~27% reduction compared with the larger 28 --> 14nm transition Samsung/GloFo gave AMD. You can argue about the vagueries of how each fab likes to measure their node process re: 16 v. 14nm, but the fact remains that AMD either has a lot of deadwood on their die or they've purposely designed a less-dense part.

>>61271585
>designed for mission critical enterprise tasks?
It doesn't have certified drivers. It's a meme card like the Titan designed for people to poor to buy a Quadro or Firepro. Except unlike a Titan the FE can't play games.

>kike trying to direct attention from Intels abortions

>>61271744
At least ryzen has 100mhz more headroom than vega

>>61271719
14nm LPP and 16nm FF+ are both using 20nm BEOL.
Same density you fucktard.

>>61271660
>HBM2 is expensive
Holy shit this meme is getting out of hand.
No, two stacks and small interposer are not fucking expensive than 12 G5x chips and PCB traces.
Stop this fucking meme.

>>61266306
my 3200 ram can't neither go past it without bluescreens but atleast i can lower the timings on agesa 1.0.0.6 and wasn't listed as supported on the asus website anyway

>>61271655
>>61271609
>>61271548
What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you at least being paid to shill for AMD? Or are they too poor, so you have to do it for free? You were shilling all day yesterday as well.

>>61271764

if hbm2 wasn't expensive and in low supply then nvidia would be using it instead of paying sk hynix to develop g6

>>61271605
> No way in hell it'll be better than a 1080 yet alone a 1080ti.
In some professional benchmarks it beats a Titan Xp.

>>61271848
>nvidia wants it's margins
They want every penny out of you, gweilo. Or course they won't use HBM2. Also nVidia was historically woefully late to new memory tech in mainstream offerings.

>>61271376
>JUST WHAT IS TAKING UP ALL OF THAT EXTRA DIE SPACE?
Hardware features that currently dont functionn without RX drivers released.

>>61271522
>>>VEGA's die size @ 14nm is 512.82mm2
>>It's 484mm^2.

With or without the HBM chips counted?

>>61271943
484 is without HBM, as that is not the die.

They obviously didn't gave the Vega FE the latest drivers. They've showed demo's months ago with Vega preforming better than the FE is doing currently. So extrapolating from that we can only tell they've probably done so for good reason.

Aside from all of that we can only wait and see how RX Vega will end up preforming in 3 weeks. All these baseless assumptions are mere guess work. Worst case scenario it'll be on par with a 1080 but cheaper.

>>61271764
>No, two stacks and small interposer are not fucking expensive

The HBM2 module is not expensive. The interposer is not expensive.

But putting the gpu and the hbm2 on the interposer has a chance of breaking one of the three, which results in yields tanking hard, which results in higher price.

The same thing was true for old Pentium chips that used MCM cache.

>>61271988
Your assembly line has to be completely ass backwards to significantly tank final product yields.

>>61271966
Those RX drivers still highly unstable in most games, most likely.

>>61271268
So Italy and Germany don't count as countries?

>>61272081
No? Of course no.

>>61272057
>Those RX drivers still highly unstable in most games
This is what i was thinking. So they dropped the FE first, shipped it to developers so they have a new rendering monster who's also decked out with the same new feature set as the RX.

Having done so hopefully with the intention of giving game developers a head start with optimizing for Vega meaning there's a possibility that RX won't have the "wait x months after launch for optimized drivers" but they'll have it decked out when it gets released.

>>61271217
>Only Vatican City and Iceland are countries
You sure have a huge pool of "real" countries.

>>61272081
Those empires go back thousands of years ago, the only difference is the name

>>61272081
No they don't. 500 years ago Italy was a bunch of city-states only just starting to come together. It wasn't unified into what we all think of as Italy now until the 19th century. Germany as a single nation is a post WW1 development.

>>61272130
Mislinked. Read
>>61272278

>>61271376
Because they literally cannot. As it stands, GCN cannot add more CUs with this many shader engines, it simply is not possible. Texture Units are moot because they at a ratio of 1:16 with each ALU; they are standardized into the CU. Neither shaders nor TMUs should be the bottleneck of either Vega or Fiji unless there is something critically flawed with the hardware. We don't know what's going on the the RBE and Geometry side. Literally no reason to add more SIMDs when you can't even keep up dispatch to saturate the whole card.
>JUST WHAT IS TAKING UP ALL OF THAT EXTRA DIE SPACE?
We don't know what, but there is plenty that could go there. Bigger instruction buffer, bigger L2 which is also fundamentally used to change UVM via HBC, and scheduler on the geometry stage for instance.
>>61271848
You can't just mix and match memory modules and memory controllers.

>>61272290
So the HRE has nothing to do with Germany or Italy :=!

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>>61269391
>yes but thats clock for clock comparison
>but 1080 has less cores, so 1080 has higher IPC.

it's not a clock for clock comparison, it even shows the clock speeds running at below the benchmark, it's a comparison of the cards running at the same flops output which completely removes the core amount difference from the equation

the result is, unsurprisingly, and something everyone knew at the time of pascal's launch, was that pascal wasn't the new volta architecture that nvidia were showing off in roadmaps before but dieshrunk maxwell with better perf per watt, exactly what everyone in this thread is shitting on amd for doing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDaekpMBYUA

here's the video the benchmarks are from, towards the end it even implies amd/vega still won't be able to compete with maxwell(/pascal) with their architectural improvements - here we are on a year later to prove that point true

and for some context pic related is the actual clock for clock comparison, unsurprisingly the 980 ti shits over the 1080 with the extra cores

and finally here's another article that compares the 1080 with the 980 ti and finds, through a different methodology, that the cores scale within 1% of each other, something the benchmark in >>61264460 shows --- https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/45056646-clarence-spurr/4884330-pascal-new-king

if you're going to go full retard and meme over fucking video cards at least do it right and put some fucking inkling of understanding into what you're looking at

>>61272588
What the fuck is this post and what the fuck is that e-celeb shitter?

>>61272599
>and what the fuck is that e-celeb shitter?

no fucking clue, I had to try to reverse image search the benchmark to find where it was from to find out what methodology they used

Can I get small vega 2560sp @ 1800mhz?

>>61272680
Maybe? That may or may not be Vega11. We don't know.

>>61272650

and for what it's worth, comparing cards at a fixed flop output is fucking retarded and has no bearing on anything, pascal being within 1% of maxwell with all other factors accounted for doesn't mean shit when pascal also clocks higher and offers 50%~ better performance per watt - but at the same time shitting over amd for vega is like shitting over nvidia for pascal (even if amd is still laughably behind nvidia)

>>61264408
Well idc if it is worse than a 1070 in games.
My main focus is in Adobe Stuff and other useful programs.

>>61269496
Stop looking in the mirror,buddy.

GCN drivers ALWAYS have to be tweaked for GCN on AMD. ALWAYS. Nvidia is fast out of the gate due to the fact it's not GCN based and MOST games are already made with Nvidias architecture in mind. Nvidia rarely has to tweak their drivers for most games. If an early Polaris had been released as a 'pro' GPU (hypothetically) you would probably see the same shit.

>>61272848
nVidia is fast out of the gate because they have way more resources than AMD has, let alone RTG by itself.

The WX7100 (supposedly an aggressively priced gap closer in the industry between P2000 and P4000 based off of RX480) gets almost the same scores as the Vega FE in professional applications so it's pretty clear that Vega FE hasn't really been tuned either to professional applications nor gaming.

>>61265319

The difference is drivers and firmware.

Workstation cards are coded for accuracy in their renderings. They don't take shortcuts or use "optimization" tricks in their renderings.

They usually perform about 10-30% less then their "gaming" GPU counterpart (assuming clockspeed is identical) in most games.

>>61273239
You should say "hacks" instead of optimizatioms, because that's what gaming drivers are, hacks to circumvent the engine.

>>61273239
>>61273419
Kind of. It's a misnomer to say it's more "accurate" than the gaming cards, it's primarily because CAD still uses legacy fixed function pipelines in their viewport (which only Quadros and WX cards are optimized for) mixed with shaders. So some of it is userspace optimization in programs, and some are in OpenGL 2/D3D8 optimizations in driver implementation. There's literally no reason to not use shaders as they are a million times more versatile than FF, but doing so would defeat the purpose of ultra expensive workstation cards. Shaders are not less accurate than FF and there's no reason to double render primitives in modern OpenGL. Workstation cards are pretty massive memes when it comes down to the thick and thin; it's almost anti-consumer if it weren't for the warranty, support and certification/ECC tacked on.

>>61270702
its funny how you bring p6000 gaming perf while the only evidence we have about it is literally that cherry picked bench and NOTHING more literally zero nada there is no evidence that p6000 can game what so ever so please

>>61271406
this statement of yours shows how clueless you are about vega
its literally a new uarch it has nothing to do with any of the previous gcn iterations
but since this is /g/ and not beyond3d.com i will forgive you since clearly your paycheck does cover googling a thing or two before you shill

>>61273998
Even the Titan X Maxwell is matched by a M6000. No reason RX Vega won't perform like the Vega FE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC_sx6A5Wko#t=4m14s

M6000 104fps
Titan X 105fps but this is clocked higher

>>61274408
shouldn't you compare wx7100 to 580? for you know, fair comparison of same archs

>>61266306
my stupid 6700k can't get past 2100

>>61264050
>with proper drivers nvidia sees similar game performance increases as they do compute
>vega clock for clock is ~30-35% avg faster than Fiji in compute
>RX Vega game drivers are yet to be released
>????
>logic

This is a long thread already but let me spell it all out
>Radeon group still doesnt have the manpower to program drivers on time
>Nobody has any idea what the driver situation really is
And. That's. All.

Hold on to your asses until the rx release

>>61264085
>it's another ancient thinkpad shitposting thread
Fucking stop already. It's not even funny anymore. Dedicated multipurpose GPUs have existed for a long time, get over it.
>>61264653
>>61264693
>>61264703
>>61264715
Nvidia 1000 series cards officially support 10 bit. You don't need a quadro or a 1000 dollar house fire.

>>61264408
The picture is of a "news article" about the FANS of some unreleased graphics card, and on top of that it's a "news article" about some faggots' reactions, obviously barely an acceptable topic. It's also a "news article" from an unknown source

It's sensational and misleading, and it only serves to add fuel to the fan wars.

Reality television show / blogosphere quality tech "reporting"

>>61275946
But anon. Shitposting!

With Microsoft laying off thousands of dotheads in India, the shilling of PayMD literal junk is going to get worse. Lot of rajeeshes need jobs.

It's insane you could sell a processor and motherboard without Thunderbolt 3 or built in PCI RAID and Haswell equivalent IPC in this day and age and yet GayMD has no shame in doing so.

>>61277130
t. Brian "lets sponsor the Olympic Games instead of unJUSTing our fabs" JUSTnich

>>61277130
I don't need PCI RAID or Thunderbolt 3. USB 3.1 C is enough

Anyone ever think 'maybe let's wait until consumer gaming cards and drivers are released and THEN decide if it sucks or not'?

Is that seriously asking too much?

Every fucking time it's the same thing with you shiposting assclowns...lol nvidea sucks...Polaris will beat a 980ti for 200 bucks...Volta WILL come with a free blow job...Vega is DOA...nvidea gimping and AMD fine wine drivers that suck out of the gate...blah blah blah...

Does this EVER get old? For fucks sake let the damn thing get released and get a couple of driver updates THEN make a judgement call based on your particular needs.

Fuckin autists...

> someone says something that makes my shill job harder

Autists s-shitposting

>>61277987
Everyone is a shill right dipshit?

How about they are fucking companies selling bullshit? Some of this shit is good...and some of its garbage. Fuck fanboys and all that noise...if it's good well know soon enough...and if it's shit well know soon enough. The end.

You fucking turbo autists arguing about a card that absolutely NONE of you fuckers are going to buy is retarded.

They released a pro card with shit/no drivers...ok...and...? We'll all know definitively how the consumer version plays out soon enough so who gives a warm shit?

Yet again...fucking autists...

>>61277130
>muh PCI RAID that only works with intel(tm) ssds

>>61264376
>much drivers meme
Drivers didn't do shit to ryzen/poolaris performance. Only time when they gain perf was when they paid of devs and worked with them to gimp nvidia perf in favour of amd, see hitman, deus ex MD and rottr.

>>61278065
I can't poke jokes at companies because it hurts your feels? You're the autist.

>>61277941
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2886-crossfire-rx-580-rx-480-benchmarks-vs-single-gpu/page-3
980 Ti still beating Polaris

>>61278353
t. Jen Hsun Huang

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>>61278353
Damn, that's a lot of paid off devs, AMD must be loaded. Or you're just a pile of shitposting fecal matter masquerading as a human being. One or the other.

>>61264050
>>61264408
The professional card wasn't intended for gaming. It's like playing on a Quadro, you'll get consistently shittier performance.

>>61278353
Compare gaming on a quadro to a GTX.

>>61266141
No bro.

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Alright faggots, since you won't stop blabbering about this.

My brother works for AMD in the Radeon division on a contract basis as an intermediary of sorts with some other companies I won't name.

He told me the big thing they have implemented in the gpu is the capability of a different advanced rendering method that will only bother to render the momentarily visible 3d scenery.
I believe there was one such attempt of a graphics card product 15 years ago from a different company using simpler methods.

It is much faster for gaming than any other card out on the market. That blue frontier edition card has the same capability, the drivers that do this will coincide with the release of the RX Vega.

The other thing he said will be talked about a lot is the energy efficiency when the framerate is locked.

They can sell much cheaper designs of the card but they simply do not wish to, so the reference design which will be suggested to AIB partners will be overdesigned and with unnecessarily high quality hardware so that it is positively reviewed and this transferred as a sign of quality to the consumers (he did mention that he was told this has been standard fare to a degree for both nvidia and amd).

The alternative rendering method stuff won't be revealed at Siggraph, only the numbers and that it demolishes the 1080ti across all tested game engines. He didn't know how much faster it is since he was not told.

I can't say any more, but it will change a lot of things. Save up money so you can get yours day 1, there will be a lack of rx vega cards for a short period after the first batch is sent to stores.

>>61271198
>>61271213
Get rekt dumdum

>>61278932
>He told me the big thing they have implemented in the gpu is the capability of a different advanced rendering method that will only bother to render the momentarily visible 3d scenery.
>I believe there was one such attempt of a graphics card product 15 years ago from a different company using simpler methods.
You mean primitive shaders?
That's nothing impressive, just a new shader stage to allow Vega to tap into shader arrays for geometry culling.

>>61268672
Nvidia are Jews, just smart enough not to be in Israel, plausible denial ability.

Just look at the shit they do.

I saw the leaked benchmarks for the RX Vega card and it looks fucking awesome. Finally something capable of doing 1440p at high refresh rates. Going to sell my 980ti and monitor for vega/1440/144 freesync.
Everyone who prefers high refresh should be psyched at access to freesync for 1440 monitors.
It's impossible to maintain 144hz in half the games out there because they need random shit to get that high like ddr 4000 ram, i7 5775c l4 cache, 5.4ghz kaby lake chips, etc. For this adaptive sync is a must and gsync is retarded.
Rejoice!

>>61279038
t. Raja Koduri

>>61273917

All of those items are involved in accuracy and visual fidelity.

That's what are you playing for when you get a Workstation card.

Gamers don't give a flying fuck about visual fidelity rendering and model accuracy.

Almost ten years ago you can just flash a gaming-tier GPU into their "Quadro/FireGL" equivalent by switching out the firmware and load-up workstation drivers. Nvidia and AMD lock their cards down to prevent this from happening.

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>>61278812
But Quadro are good on gayming...

>>61279491
Most of the time Quadros aren't going to be ahead. It wasn't until just recently this $6000-$7000 GPU beat the top end gaming GPUs at anything gaming related.

>>61279518
>Most of the time Quadros aren't going to be ahead.
source?

>>61278932
>is the energy efficiency when the framerate is locked.
So literally for consoles?

>>61279574
Don't be retarded.

>>61279518
TXM and M6000 only 1fps difference in Crysis 3

It's the same chip set to lower clocks.

>>61279017
>Just look at the shit they do.
Release more powerful products?

>>61275946
I live in the land of here and now, not tommorrow

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(((Vega)))

>>61283428
prepare your anus

>>61283579
It's Vegasil, it's for your vagina, not your asshole.

>>61278932
they literally said all that on stage, except for being faster in any engine part

>>61278353
um... 1.0.0.5 increase ryzen minimum 3% across the board, some loads up to 7%

polaris gained what, 7-15% more performance through drivers over a few month period of time.

>>61283602
penis was made for vagina too, your point?

>>61272693
can you get this through your retarded fucking head.

If two architectures have the same amount of shaders, clocking them the same will show you if there are any improvements under the hood.

In amd's case currently graphic wise everything is being run as if it was a fury which is why the gpu side is damn near exactly the same, this may improve with a driver enabling all the hardware improvements they made, however on a pure compute front vega at the same clock rate is vastly superior to the fury x

in nvidia's case, you equalize the flops so the theoretical output is the same, this way you can see if there was any improvement made at all, and shock of all shocks, there is no improvement period, pascal is pretty much just maxwell with some shit enabled in driver or on hardware, not sure how 10 bit support is dealt with.

>>61265893
intel shits on you so much you got use to it and expect it, when amd offers to not shit on you you act disgusted.

>>61265900
>>61265884
>>61265870
when nvidia moved to a tile based rasterizer they had to rewrite almost every bit of their fucking driver that dealt with graphics, its no small undertaking.

then you also have amd waiting on hbm2, you also have the 4000 through the 200 where amd was clearly better than what nvidia had out at the time and never being rewarded for it, i'm honestly more shocked they don't tell the consumer gpu market to get fucked at this point and focus entirely on the enterprise.

>>61279491
hardware wise the p6000 is ahead of everything on that list, costs 5000$ and does not preform 4000$ better than the next most expensive card on that list.

>Skylake-X release is garbage
>every techtuber out there shits on it to no end with added theatrics
>Vega's release is garbage
>techtubers are on full damage control and trying their hardest not to piss off their AMDrone subs

Really fires up your neurons.

>>61266314
Jesus christ this guy looks like a cannibal

>>61283982

AMD fans are extremely fickle, if you even dare question AMD they will organize boycotts on your channel and dox you.

Remember, it's not fanboyism for AMDrone, it's a straight up religion.

>>61283982
huh, nvidia shills trying to change narrative all of a sudden
amazing.
same way intel tried to get away from "we are working on lower power consumption" shtick

>>61264860
>tl;dr wait for actual gaming drivers/RX Vega you dumb cucks.
What I want to know is if newer drivers will make the frontier edition suck less too

>>61284235
three things may happen
1. vega is simply doa
2. vega will be fixed with drivers
3. hardware bug is not a rumor and RX is different card in essense

>>61264860
vram limit?

>>61283927
>when nvidia moved to a tile based rasterizer they had to rewrite almost every bit of their fucking driver that dealt with graphics, its no small undertaking.

this isn't true, ROPs are fixed function hardware and are not controllable by the driver beyond turning them on and off. AMD just fucked up their implementation or just outright lied.

>>61284618
I trust nvidia telling us they had to rewrite most of their driver for their implementation more then the fun 'amd fucked up their gpus so they are broke'

which is more likely? they have a fuckload of driver work or the hardware which is bad, coming from amd is almost always the driver.

>>61284425
>vram limit
>16GB card
yeah.. no

>>61284264
The easiest way to tell the third option is by using the current driver and seeing if it makes it just as slow as FE or not.