Nvidia cucking vm users

>>61233904
Welp, guess it's time to grow up and stop playing video games.

>>61233904
>GPU Passthrough for Virtualization with Ryzen: Now Working
nothing about nvidia

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DELET THIS AMDRONE

>>61233951
watch the video again

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>>61233951
t. didn't watch the portion I specifically pointed out

>>61233951
The phase of concluding observations comes after observing phenomena and the material in focus, and not before it, you underage monkey.

>>61233904
Stupid VM fags. Just dual boot

>>61233904
This isn't new. Nvidia has been doing this for a while, it's pretty fucking annoying.

>>61234085
>X doesn't work
>"Lol why do you need X?"
Fucking kill yourself.

>>61234085
A VM is way more convenient as you don't have to reboot and you can use things like synergy to easily switch between the windows and Linux desktop.

>>61234085
>Just give windows 10 bare metal access to your hardware
>Play into Microsoft's plan to force you to use your computer how they want you to use it

0.02 cents has been deposited to your account, Rajesh

>>61233904
Nvidia has been doing this forever newfag

>>61233904
Buy our quadros if you want to do GPU passthrough goys

>>61234152
Nvidia willingly complies, AMD doesn't. If it's only an opt-in why is nvidia giving their ass to microsoft then?

>>61234189
bootlicker

>>61234207
>goyworks
>goysync
>goythrough

The way you're meant to be played (tm).

>>61234225
>Nvidia willingly complies, AMD doesn't. If it's only an opt-in why is nvidia giving their ass to microsoft then?

Ya Nvidia willingly complies to give their ass to Microsoft
If you think what your wrote is in anyway a rebuttal to what I said you need to go get your brain checked immediately

>>61233904
This has been the case for ages. However, you can confuse the driver into working if you pass a bogus argument as the hypervisor vendor id.

Unfortunately it would be trivial for NVidia to patch that over night, so if you want to have a PCI-passthrough enriched VM which isn't going to give you grief with a driver update, you should probably get a Radeon or a Quadro instead of a GeForce.

AMD aren't exactly perfect, it's only recently that their cards have been able to reset after use in a VM without the host rebooting. Also, if you want to use OVMF, only the RX400 series have a working UEFI vBIOS. Though to AMD's credit they did put out a vBIOS patch you can flash to fix that on Fury cards.

As usual it's a choice between AMD incompetence and NVidia unscrupulousness.

>>61233938
>Letting a manufacturor decide how to use your computer

Ok

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>>61234085
>Just shut down your your system to play Vidya
Nah.

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>>61234070

>>61234931
Gj. You can play CLI snake with it.

Side note: wish ryzen has an integrated GPU for the host os so I don't need to have two GPUs plugged in.

The upcoming APUs only have 4 cores.

>>61233904
>New Nvidia drivers render their gpus useless if they detect they are being ran through to a VM
And also in the video Wendell says you can make it so that the drivers don't "notice" they're on a VM.

>Looks like Microsoft doesn't want you to run windows 10 in a VM....
This has nothing to do with Microsoft.

tl;dr It's fucking nothing except Nvidia being fucktards which we already knew.

>>61235180
Sr-iov bitch

>>61235293
>And also in the video Wendell says you can make it so that the drivers don't "notice" they're on a VM.
How do you do that though.

>playing videogames
>>>/v/eddit
and stay there

>>61235293
>Drivers block gpu working in VM
>B-but if you use the correct virtualization software and configs you can trick the system on the VM into thinking it's not a vm
>So it's not fair to say the drivers blocked the gpu!!

Nice damage control.
Making the VM think it's not a vm can also have performance penalties

>>61233904
>Lulnox

LEL HOW ABOUT YOU GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU EDGY CONTRARIAN.

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>>61235293
>lel code 43 werks for me. xD
1.7 Woodscrews housefires porkshoulders Fuck off Huang.

>>61236259
>Graphics cards are only used for video games

Thanks for letting me know you don't do anything productive on your computer

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>>61233904
>New Nvidia drivers render their gpus useless if they detect they are being ran through to a VM
But it doesn't you retarded sperg, pic related.

>>61236355
fuck off poojet

>>61236355
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/search/filename/%20wheresmymic.gif%20/

kill yourself retard

>>61237399
That guy sure loves a single meme from years ago

>>61233904
>Looks like Microsoft doesn't want you to run windows 10 in a VM....
what
>New Nvidia drivers
they've been doing this for a long time on consumer grade gpus.
They want you to buy their quadros if you want to do pcie pass through because generally only businesses do that and doing the extra QC for the consumer parts costs money
AMD on the other hand just kinda lets you go for it because they have nothing to lose.

>>61237727
>I'm a retard who can't read a thread.
>I'm a retard who doesn't know why.

>>61237107
those people are already running windows

>>61233904
Ancient news. Just use --no-kvm in qemu and it's all good. The fact is M$ themselves hardcore require VMs for their shit, including their GPU servers. They will always have provisions for this.

>>61237766
if you're such a smarty pants then you tell me why
and dont just say because nvidia is jews. give me a real reason

>>61233904
>fat amd shill detected

>>61237794
>I still can't read a thread
>Please hold my hand like the retard i am

>>61237822
I know why, and I already partially explained it
I deal with virtualization every single day because it's what I do.
and no I'm not want to deal with 90% of /g/s autistic posting saying "delete this" or "___ fanboys btfo"

>>61237858
Calm down nigger, go play a game or something and put all those useless hardware to some use

>>61237858
>I know why, and I already partially explained it
No you don't, see >>61237360

>b-b-but you can only use a quadro

stay btfo retard

>>61236355
Code 43 is what allows him to afford those leather jackets

>>61237794
Because Quadro drivers work so instead of using a 1o80 for solid works you need a Quadro p5000 if you want to use VM

>>61233904
>New
It's been a thing for a while now, it's not new.

>>61237897
No thats not it you retard

lel Poovidia following in intel's stupidity, AMD wins AGAIN

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>>61237940
>poovidia
nice projecting

There's no reason to use a VM for normal people, at all

>>61238034
>people on /g/ are normies

>>61233938
>video games are the only reason to run a windows virtual machine
you're a CS undergrad I take it? Keep at it lad, I know those pointers can be tricky

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>>61238034

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>all the NoVidya defense force ITT

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>>61238053
>cannot solve a system of differential equations
>wears shoes he bought at the mall
>unable to read sheet music
>drives a car with an automatic transmission
>cannot run a mile in under seven (7) minutes
yeah, I would say so

>>61233938
>stop enjoying things and being happy

Wew there, depressed much?

>>61237812
Please upgrade your nividia card to Quadro for full unlocked capabilities, thank you

>>61239011
AMD is no better

>>61239011
>please pay $4k for a 20% performance downgrade for the sake of using a VM
nvidia is so retarded holy shit.

>>61239200
nvidia and intel are becoming apple now? usb key for unlocking VM passthrough when?

>>61239029
[Citation needed]

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>implying nvidiots know any better

>>61234085
With how fast systems boot with an SSD these days I see no reason not to do this. Just buy an extra SSD for windows or use an AMD GPU

>>61239518
Yea but it's not that convienent in practice, you'd know this you ever actually dual booted

>>61238100
>fashion
>music
>automobiles
>athletics
what exactly does this have to do with technology?

This YouTuber has no idea what he's talking about. Their drivers have always done this, and you've always been able to get around it by setting the KVM to hidden (3 lines in libvirt XML).

Nvidia can suck a cock for CUDA and G-Sync, but this is nothing new or even noteworthy.

>>61237107
If you are doing serious work you are running Windows natively, GPU passthrough is only for people who want to play Le Vidya

>>61240156
>An entire life time and owns a company dealing with tech counsolting
>Contributes to actual projects and wiki
>Knows nothing


Go back to your desktop threads. If you watched 10 more seconds he covered that too

>>61240156
>setting the KVM to hidden
Doesn't this cause other unwanted side effects?

>>61240378
You're actually right. I watched more and didn't see him claim this was new behavior. I guess OP is the real faggot in this case.

>>61240395
I've never noticed any. It doesn't stop you from using virtio or anything like that.

>>61233904
There is a one line workaround in QEMU currently to circumvent error 43 for Nvidia to enable hyperV.

>Looks like Microsoft doesn't want you to run windows 10 in a VM....
Microsoft are cocks but it has little to do with them, mostly Nvidia themselves hampering hyper-v on GTX cards so that people using such features (not gamers) buy the more expensive quadros instead.

>>61239518
Close all my shit just to run a single windows program I need.

Ok.

this is literally why I dropped green. yes I /v/ and the GTX 480 was the last card that could be softmodded into a quadro without soldering.

I don't care about the games nearly as much as I care about a fucking company trying to punk customers by suddenly declaring this an "enterprise" feature. It's exactly the same as intel saying RAID is an "enterprise" feature and paywalling functionality that physically exists. Fuck those practices and I say that with my wallet.

>>61236061

OPTS="$OPTS -cpu host,kvm=off,hv_spinlocks=0x1fff,hv_relaxed,hv_time,hv_vendor_id=Nvidia43FIX"

If you use a startup script with QEMU

>>61240395
Yes

>>61233938
Every single person that thinks that every single videogame is childish should die in a fire in the most suffering way possible, incluiding (You).
For some people, playing videogames is no different than listening to music or watching a movie, there's videogames out there with actual stories to tell. Not everything is your hollow shooter or racing game.

>>61233904
OLD NEWS

-cpu host,kvm=off,hv_time,hv_relaxed,hv_vapic,hv_spinlocks=0x1fff,hv_vendor_id=nvidiabloxx

>>61240395
No as long as hyperv extensions are still on.

>>61234919
manufacturer

>>61234931
>27 days
You are like a little baby

>>61245055
more like 28,
is he grown up now?

btw; probably only hibernates because restarting takes to long..

>>61233938
Or just play whatever Linux offers. There are tons of great games on it.

What is there to be worried about, it's not like applications can detect they're running in a hyper visor. And virtualbox type VMs will cut your performance so they're no good anyway.


Still a shitty move. Fuck nvidia.

Is the gpu pass-through stuff doable on haswell, or do I need to upgrade?

>>61246261
Only on locked processors, not on unloccked "K" CPU's.

>>61246424
What's the required feature? Vt-d?

I have 4790 non-k so should be fine?

>>61246472
Yes

How do you make audio work, generally? A separate sound card?

>>61233904
>windows 10
Found your problem schmuck.

>>61247828
HDMI/DisplayPort audio is the easiest way. Sound cards and USB DAC's should work as well. I've never got sound passthrough/emulation through PulseAudio to work properly on Windows 10, it's always distorted.

Enough with the shilling, AMDpoors.

Why can't we just go back to making fun of AMD house fires?

How is nvidia and intel fucking up so bad?

SO TIRED OF YOU AMD SHILLS

>>61243522
Kids watching that video as a guide are too stupid to make a fucking bash script, they need their gooey

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>>61249359
Just go watch some Chinese Cartoons and relax, bro.

>>61249359
Literal fucking tears. Can't stop laughing at you haters.

>>61249359
Mad you can't justify team green now that you see actual facts?

>>61242570
*tips fedora*

>>61242570
This. /g/ says video games are for children while ricing their desktops with anime lolis.

>>61250655
I don't think Team Green has to be "justified" considering their products have been straight up better for at least two years.

>>61250798
>Better products
>Gimped drivers

Cant make this shit up

>>61250842
Nvidia is a dick by trying to gimp passthrough, but once you work around it Nvidia cards works great in a VM. AMD means well but their drivers are inferior for passthrough still, most people having issues on passthrough forums are either AMD GPU users or Ryzen early adopters. (I have a Ryzen CPU, despite how optimistic Wendell is Ryzen is no where near Intel in VM performance right now)

>>61245298
good joke

I don't give a fuck, my old eroges work with W7 virtualization. You'd have to be retarded if you actually want to play graphically intensive games not natively.

>>61250798
Better at what?

Promising DX12 support across all their models back to FERMI only to find out that it performs worse?

Finding "bugs" in driver deployment after they get called out for gimping their older cards?

Laughing as they cut a thirty dollar check for something the CEO called a feature of the hardware, not a bug in the VRAM segmentation debacle?

Telling you to sit on their dick when issues that limit your hardware you own are artificially created just so they can upsell you on a card 10 times the price?

Is that what you mean by "better"?

But you sure saved a few pennies in power, and won with ten frames per second for a year. Better sell the new card and buy a newer card!

>>61251023
Do you know what hardware passthrough is you monkey? It is "native" in performance, stupid mouth breather

>>61233938
I use VMs for work (pene tester) and if this information is true my work will take much much longer

>>61251182
You still lose performances is what I meant retard.

>>61251324
Only on AMD CPU's, Intel+Nvidia will get you 99% performance as long as you're not doing anything intensive on the Linux host. I ran Firestrike on native Windows 10 vs. a VM, the difference was margin of error stuff.

>>61251324
Mind explaining how you got to this incorrect assumption? Boy I hope you didn't mean losses with cpu running the hypervisor when we are talking about passing through peripherals

>>61251352
Thats pretty legit.

Currently only running windows host, and linux vms, but may soon switch up.

Currently with 4790k and 970gtx; dont really game that much anymore games havent been as interesting and also much busier...

But now whenever I upgrade gpu or even cpu(trying to wait until ~2020) I'll have to check how this vm pass through performance is.

Had no idea even the cpu-gpu pairing could matter

>>61233904
Not seen the video but I am using a Windows 10 VM with GPU passthrough with a 970.

But yeah you need to trick the Nvidia driver into not thinking he's in a VM.
literally why nvidia?

>>61251677
>Had no idea even the cpu-gpu pairing could matter
I don't know for sure how well AMD GPU's perform FPS-wise, all I know is generally people seem to have issues with anything earlier than Polaris. I believe you can flash Fury/ X GPU's as well if you want to. Ryzen is kind of a mess right now with the NPT bug mentioned in the video, with NPT enabled you get great WIndows performance but shit gaming performance. With it disabled your GPU can be fully utilized but your CPU single-thread performance is gimped, causing massive problems doing even basic tasks. Gaming on multithreaded games is fine though, loading times are the only major issue. DX9 games will have serious issues since they are mostly single-core. Also I don't think he went into enough detail but something is broken in Windows, it only recognizes one core unless you disable a CPU feature called SMEP. You can disable it manually or emulate an older architecture, many people are using Penryn.

So basically if you want to build a PCI passthrough system TODAY, and want it to "just werk," I would strongly recommend Intel, even as a current Ryzen owner. No one actually know when these issues will be fixed, although AMD needs to fix them for Epyc to be successful. Ryzen works but it comes with the typical early adopter issues. For DX12/Vulkan games it's good, DX11 it's ok and DX9 it's shit. Windows will also run like shit, so if you use GPU-accelerated workloads in a VM like video editing or rendering I would strongly advise either purchasing Intel or waiting for Ryzen to be fixed.

>>61251766
Also wanted to add on, the NPT bug is very old, it's not a Ryzen specific issue. FX CPU's have the same problem, it just never received any widespread attention since very few people tried to use GPU passthrough on FX CPU's.

>>61251766
Yeah thats why I usually wait until a generation of cpus is about to become 2nd gen before buying in, by then people know which team won the generation, and drivers are worked out

I hate paying the premium to be an early adopter only to get fucked waiting for ___ update

>>61247828
I managed to get it working by using AC97 + ALSA plugin and disabling HDMI audio in windows because that was giving me shit and causing distortion for some reason.
Can't pick up any distortion whatsoever now, mic works as well.

>>61251023
>You'd have to be retarded if you actually want to play graphically intensive games not natively.
The performance loss is negligible, I am not going to notice a small single digit fps difference. Handles 4k and VR workloads for me just fine.

I just set up a VM to test this and I want to reply to some falsehoods in the thread. First off everything works fine still, there are some extra steps. I used windows 10 (education edition) as the guest, most recent nvidia drivers. Host is arch, GTX 1080 and i7 4770K. The 4770K is both multiplier unlocked and has vt-d, you can confirm on arc.

>>61233904

>Open a video that involves Linux
>within 30 seconds I just get a fat neckbeard screaming about muh freedoms

Every fucking time

>>61253664
t. didn't even watch the video

Why does Wendell shill so hard for AMD when Intel has contributed more open source code to Linux than AMD and Nvidia combined? Has everyone just forgot how AMD neglected their Linux drivers for ages and only now recently started paying attention to Linux when they realized how much profit is in it?

>>61242570
>there's videogames out there with actual stories to tell
I don't need a GTX 1080 to read a fucking book.

>>61253769
>muh underdog

>>61234403
this

>>61233904
I dont think the issue is isolated to vm's my esxi set up has been running fine. Ive been getting black screens on windows 10 for the last 3 weeks and then finally today the whole pc wont even start. Just clicks. I solved black screen by running fan at 50 % fulltime when it should be idle. But today.....anyway cant be assed rebuilding pcs these days. Ill make a new vm for a desktop.

Gpus are a meme total waste of money

>>61234152
>not pajeet

>>61253903
Sometimes showing is better than telling. It's just more difficult to do well.

Nvidia is shit

>download the EYE-ESS-OH
>stopped watching right there
>people that spell out acronyms instead of just pronouncing them
>i mean really
>stupid fucking people will be the death of us all

>>61233904
>GPU pass through virtualization

Why even bother running a VM if you can't do anything outside of it?

>>61256344
>can't even use green text correctly
but yeah pronouncing iso like that is retarded

>>61256384
You really don't have any spare GPU's lying around?

>>61256344
EKSDEE

>>61234403
I use OVMF fine with my 290X.

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Don't forget the completely and totally gimped "overclocking" on pascal. All cards hit a wall depending on the model well before you even reach frequency when silicon lottery would matter.
Encrypted bios means you can't get past their low as fuck locked in voltage and when you hard mod your card to get around the lock GPU Boost will reduce performance of the card, sometimes below stock.
This doesn't get in the way of normies because they don't know anything, and it doesn't get in the way of LN2 competitions because of how conductive the silicon gets at those temperatures. Except, you know, when it does get in the way companies like Galax will make a one run special edition of the card (1060 HOF) that can get around GPU boost's fuckery and the voltage locks but nvidia wont let them sell it to the public.
This ONLY fucks the people that want to push the card as far as they can for 24/7 use. Can't have people buying 1070s to push monitors that they "should" be buying 1080s for!
>Proof of GPU Boost 3.0 fuckery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bflLDenKirQ
>Unlocked 1080 using tools not available to the public running at 2300mhz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1YCoTXBNJY

Fuck Nvidia and fuck Pascal.