NVIDIA IS FINISHED

>>61228163
>wccftech
lol

It also probably costs 3x more and it will burn your house eventually.

Great deal

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https://videocardz.com/70777/amd-radeon-rx-vega-3dmark11-performance

>>61228163
What? The performance is still far below from what you'd expect from 484mm^2 die.

>>61228163
1080 Ti = 1.4x 2560
1630mhz 1080 Ti = 36500

Vega at 1630mhz = 31000

Something's wrong with this arch, it's actually slower than Fiji by 15% per clock

>>61228163
gotta love how they don't use DX12 mark because their architecture is so old

>>61228163
Remember when AMD dumboys told us Vega will beat Titan Xp by 20%? I 'member!

>>61228230
>>61228230
>>61228230
>>61228230
>>61228230

When will gpu prices will reasonable again?

>>61228248
I get the feeling most wccf commenters are from /v/

>>61228234
Nvidia works with M$ to support DX, this is only thing why DX still exists.
Don't you think that because nvidia develops DX with M$, their GPUs are more optimised..?
I dunno, it's just a theory...

>inb4 amd shill
Nope, I have nvidia, because amd drivers suck in linux

>>61228230
>comparing GPUs of different architecture by clock speeds
wew lad

>>61228248
Well I don't. All I remember is it was supposed to be between 1080 and 1080Ti, which is pretty close considering their FineWine™ drivers.

That performance is still terrible, unless the card costs $300.

>>61228279
>>comparing GPUs of different architecture by clock speeds
Don't be retarded, you know what I mean, Vega is supposed to be Fiji on steroids but it's the exact opposite.

>>61228279
They were not supposed to regress per clock performance compared to Fiji.

That card is sexy as hell

Oh god it's actually real, there's a hardware bug and probably the reason Vega will have a refresh on 14nm+

>>61228263
King Poojet pushed for DX12 more while nvidia leaned towards vulkan.

>>61228303
They had all the time in the world to do the respin.
Vega is simply R600-tier failure.

>>61228256
Not sure what you mean by reasonable?
You can get a gtx 1060 for as low as 199 USD when deals are out.
You can get a gtx 1070 for as low as 299 USD when deals are out. ( I guess I payed 410 USD for an EVGA water cooled one, but I regret nothing.)
Everything above the GTX 1070 is trash.
Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.
Haven't tested a Titan Xp, but the Titan X Pascal is sometimes like 5% faster than my GTX 1070.
So I'd imagine the Xp and 1080 ti are also trash.

I know what you mean about AMD cards though.
Sold out everywhere, but you can still find deals when they exist.

Didn't the FE leak clock it at 2 times faster than Titan XP in gaming?

>>61228314
Then it would have been shelved long ago because it's not profitable.
There wouldn't even be point in releasing RX then, the Pro cards do fine and they could have just gone with that.

>>61228282
Show me a 1080 for $300 you dipshit.

>>61228283
>>61228287
Oh, right. I guess we'll have to Wait™ for more testing to confirm or deny it. Wccftech isn't exactly reliable.

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>>61228185
>still behind the 1080 OC

>>61228263
>Nope, I have nvidia, because amd drivers suck in linux

Blink twice if you're stuck in 2011 and need help

>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.
Are you retarded or what? 1080 is 30% faster at stock
Anyway im not talking about that im talking about miners buying up all the cards and now 1060 cost 400euros

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>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.

I have seen some trolling in my days but this takes the cake

>>61228313
>King Poojet
You mean AMD?
How? How can you push more than develop for DX..?

>>61228328
>1630mhz+
considering its the same silicon as vega fe, this one is gonna burn houses for sure

>>61228331
are AMD drivers actually good on linux?
I'm still on my 760 and not going to upgrade ever until the drivers are good.

I know nvidia drivers broke the coolbits functionality so can't even control fucking fan speed through terminal anymore. on any distro.

>>61228163
Just Wait bruh

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>>61228313
>King Poojet pushed for DX12 more while nvidia leaned towards vulkan.
Yes, because Vulkan totally isn't based on AMD's Mantle.
I sure hope they pay you for this because being this retarded for free would be sad.

>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.

>>61228339
king poojeet is fucking microsoft, obviously

>>61228328
>>61228163
Behind a year+ old CUT card (from a big pascal chip) while being made on newer node. Like why AMD even exists?

>better than 1070
all I wanted
better not be the top of the line one though

>>61228333
>>61228338
>>61228350

I guess i haven't really optimized my software for HBM2 and it's all very memory intensive, but I'm sure for most people using CUDA (can't speak for OpenCL) you're going to have much better performance on the gtx 1070 at a somewhat lower wattage (150 watt vs 180 watt)
What kind of stuff do you guys do with your cards where the 1080 is faster?
What do you code in?

>>61228339
Have you been living under a rock. Nvidia even had slides and driver developer explaining the benefits of vulkan over dx12. Meanwhile ayyymd talked about muh dx12 botnet 10 gaymen and mentioning vulkan only when doom comes into consideration.

>>61228368
HBM2 is a meme

>>61228361
Also don't forget, its a huge ass fuck die with expensive HBM2, and the powerdraw is insane compared to the 1080.

With these performance results they will have to sell it well below the 1080's price, while the card will be much more expensive to manufacture.

>>61228373
Except it really does slow all my shit down.

>>61228368
>What kind of stuff do you guys do with your cards where the 1080 is faster?
Gaming

If this is 400-500 dollars then it's a killer price

>>61228185
>memory clock
>close to 2000MHz

That's not HBM, FE was around 900MHz

>>61228163

That is one sexy looking GPU, too bad it doesn't perform nearly as well as it looks.

>>61228163
Delete this.

I just won a EVGA superclocked ACX 3.0 GTX 1070 because it couldn't bear not having a gpu after selling my R9 380 and couldn't wait untill siggargh because I'm moving house.

Fug.
I dun goof'd.
maybe this will do hopefully.

I just love HBM/2 technogly I just love that new shit
Oh well good luck AMD Vega.

I hope this GTX 1070 holds on with its shitty GDDR5
Because i just got cuck'd into the Gsync may may.

man that vega is one sexy gpu (just saying)
I really like that (R) L.E.D. it really just says buy me baby/

>>61228350
>Yes, because Vulkan totally isn't based on AMD's Mantle
So what. Show me something like this done by amd dev team. AMD is sucking MS dick big time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqensKmmRfE

>>61228395
How can people still be excited after seeing the gaming results so far? I honestly don't get it.

It looks like it's inferior in every way to even a 1080, let alone a 1080ti

>>61228386
Does anyone here really care about that though?
Ok I could see that, but are video games a good justification to pay more than like 100 dollars for a GPU in 2017?
I don't really play games, but can't the gtx 1070 get you 144 fps at 1080p for the most part?
You're really buying the card to speed up operations, not play games at higher frame rates.
I don't see much justification for getting higher than a gtx 1070 unless you get paid to play games or some shit.

>>61228399
Vulkan is just for graphics, DirectX is more than that and they are planing to add a physics to it https://www.techpowerup.com/232880/microsoft-trademarks-direct-physics-havok-rebranded, please lurk more before posting and focus on Nvidia getting assblasted.

>>61228380
>>61228383
HBM2 is literally useless. I mean yes maybe in 8k+ there are some benefits vs GDDR5X or what's it's called, but as long as GPU core can power through all other stuff that's going on in given scene throughput of textures isn't ever gonna bottleneck as long as you have free VRAM.

>>61228411
>Does anyone here really care about that though?

The vast majority of cards like the 1080 are bought for gaming, so yes people do care. Just take a look at the press conference of Nvidia announcing the card, it's all about gaming

>>61228411
>I don't even play video games
t. AMDcuck

>>61228418
Seems like you missed the main advantage of HBM.

>>61228435
being a marketing tool like VR?

>>61228372
>living under a rock
Maybe

>>61228431
AMD cuck that uses a watercooled EVGA GTX 1070?

>>61228442
No, it seems like you really really need to go back to /v/.

>>61228459
not an argument

>>61228185
HELLO PEOPLE DOES NOBODY NOTICE THE MEMORY FREQUENCIES ON THESE RX CHIPS

>>61228450
>watercooling a GPU that doesn't reach 70c on air at 2000MHz
maybe just a dumbfuck then lol

>>61228461
You need to go back.

>>61228477
This kek

>>61228466
x4?

>>61228402
Because we don't have anything exciting happening right now other than this. Intel dropped the 3dxpoint and the new x299 shitshow, no 10nm news from them. Ryzen is released, there are new RAM processes in RND and new standards to be marketed some time in the next year. Nvidia dropped the 1080 Ti and no news from them. All we have is Vega for the time being.

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>>61228185
Anyone notice the memory clocks?

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>double the score of a Fury X

>>61228477
My watecooled is 47c at full load.
I have 12 Nvidia founders running at 81-83c at full load.
I have 3 EVGA ACX 3 cooled ones running at 76-78c full load.
Already explained that the watercooled card was 10 dollars more than the founder card if you followed the thread.

>>61228499
HBM

>>61228499
what resolution is that?

>>61228185
>9 different tests
>same clocks
>performance difference of 15% from worst to best
Drives in limbo

I wonder how much can that still improve?

>>61228497
It's not exciting though.

They are going to release an inferior card, a year later than the compeition

>>61228510
>>>/biz/
>>>/kys/

>>61228522
A cropped one.

>>61228531
/biz/ is for bad investments
Spending 10 dollars more on consumer technology isn't a bad investment.
It's not an investment at all as I don't make money for my stupid hobby projects and deep learning meme shit.

>>61228499
that is core clock because of interposer.
way no core clock?

is it because HBM/2 is close to the GPU or on the GPU die.
then hwo the fug can you tell its base clock then?

confusing on the die side of HBM.
I tried to ignore it because on the fury/X and Vega i thought it was a software bug reading the wrong values.

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Extra 30MHz Clock Speed, guess this what raja meant by sayin RX is faster then FE

>>61228345
I wouldn't game on them but they're rapidly improving. They're open source these days and they're definitely fine for desktop use. If you want to be playing AAA games on Loonux go Nvidia.

>>61228163
SHUT IT DOWN

>>61228526
God I hope they can pull another 10% from this and it's cheap as fuck

>>61228499
Wait this can't be right, my 1070 gets 21k in Firestrike.

>>61228313
>nvidia leaned towards vulkan.

this has to be bait

>>61228163
>We Copy Content Forever Tech
Why

>>61228163
It costs twice as much as a 1080.

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>>61228554
>hurr AMD vega is housefire temp and has a stupid 30Mhz boost on VGA FE HURR DUR

this arguement is kinda dumb
pascal is also a house fire.

t.greek
Now hold still while I punch you in you're dumb stupid face.

>>61228596
are you 15?

>>61228596
How is Pascal a housefire you idiot

>>61228603
>>61228604
he's just amdrone

how can nvidia compet

>>61228616
nah let's wait for his "argument"

>>61228596
pay denbts you olivenigger

>>61228603
>>61228604
>young fags
temps at 65C and above is hourse fire.
get educated kids.

that meme was for temps not TDP
Not like AMD drones claim it was for.

>>61228625
>temps at 65C and above is hourse fire
Leave /g/ already you tech illiterate mong

>>61228551

PT is that you?

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>>61228604
1080ti only consumes 10% less than Vega FE but apparently those couple watts make a housefire

>>61228625
>kids
yeah bro you showed us who is the boss with that argument

>>61228636
Yeah, while being 40-50% more powerful you fucking idiot.

Now look at the power consumption of a 1070 or 1080 which is comparable in performance, it's much lower

Vega, unless there's serious driver or silicon issues, seems to be shit.

Guess I'm going r7 1700 + 1080ti

>>61228632
it's summer, take it easy, they will leave soon.

>>61228646
That's not how post 2010 summer works.

>>61228596
FE cant maintain the 1600 boost clock. having an extra 30mhz is joke

Just fire that pajeet

>>61228636
>250W
>300W
>delta 50W
>10%
?

also
>>61228643

So it can't beat the Ti or Titan?

Failure as an architecture, constantly playing catch up to Nvidia's performance leads.

>>61228636
Are you fucking serious? Or you just can't relate performance to power-draw?

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>>61228163
For the millionth time: NO!

WCCFTech is a rumour aggregator. 1% of the rumours they publish are true, and 1% will be right by sheer coincidence, and all the rest is junk.

> 40-50% more powerful
1080ti is only 30% faster than a 1080 to begin with and Vega has already been benchmarked to be at least as fast as a 1080.
Given the leaked 3dmark scores being almost double a Fury X score this puts 1080ti and Vega within 10% of each other.

^learn to quote, redditor

>>61228657
You can't even read a simple graph. Vega FE is around 280W

>>61228681
Leave poor pajeet alone he's trying to feed his family.

>>61228671
r/amd wants you back retard

>>61228175
Not an argument. Try again.

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>>61228185
????????

>>61228662
that's only release dates ya knob.
also not one reviewer worth a brain expected Vega to be this bad but alot of Vega new features are disabled because its still using that modded Fury driver.

Its going to take a while to get a vega driver working there is like a whole new uarch to work on.

Who's fucking with who here?

http://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/3dmark+11+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.0.132/1+gpu

>>61228681
real hope would be if they will pull pro vs consumer setups like nvidia

if RX will have fp32 capability cut, because it's useless in games it should lower power draw a decent margin, also half of hbm2 modules, they are hot and draw decent amount

problem is amd never did that for consumer cards because it's expensive to fab two chips unless vega is setup to laser disable some fucntions won't happen
I have a bit of hope since preliminary ryzen was a mess.

>>61228183
yeah, AMD is known for price gouging.
t. nYidia

>>61228698
>Directx 11
ajajjajaajajajajaja

>>61228698
clock speed

>>61228758
fury x was more expensive and slower than 980Ti
nice try poojet

>>61228763
Oh yeah, clock speed makes a 1080 that already boosts well over 1800MHz on STOCK go over 30% faster.

>>61228727
Ryzen is amazing since day one, it only bad for gayman.

>>61228787
>it only bad for gayman.
it's not though, the important part for cpu concerning gaming if it can feed GPU when it's at 100%
ryzen can do that at any useable resolution

>>61228787
It's perfectly fine for gaming, just not quite fast as Intel's best. Plus some nvidia drivers were gimped on Ryzen CPUs and tweaks and optimisation means AMD has caught up in a lot of ways.

>>61228802
>>61228809
it kinda was during launch, stuck at 2400mhz ram. shit bios.

Im happy with my 4ghz 1600 and 3400mhz ram

>>61228345
I could control the fan speed on my 980 in linux using cli but only with the proprietary driver.

>>61228845
hwat mobo

>>61228864
Asus hero

>>61228864
almost any mobo at this point, 3400 is easy
3600 is trickier, gotta have good modules
3200 is more or less normal

4000 is pro OC territory but was done

>>61228769
You also seem to forget that HBM was still new.

>>61228727
... You mean just a die cut? AMD ALUs are not nVidia ALUs. AMD ALUs can perform FP16, FP32, FP64 and beneath the ISA uses FMA to achieve higher precision results. nVidia doesn't have this and consequently is less scalable and more modular. On to HBM2, why? FE is already 2 stack and that is the minimum number of DRAM modules you can put on HBM2. Decreasing the number of stacks of VRAM has less effect than downclocking the VRAM as AMD has already done, despite it still being pushed 1.3V which is well beyond what it needs for 900MHz.

This thing looks to be another r600>r700 situation.

>>61228894
worried if I cop a B350, it won't have that much potential

>>61229056
>amdtards defending vega are sucking more poojet amd microdick than adored
let that sink in

>>61229070
2bh AdoredTV is a narcissistic enthusiast and has no experience in EE or CE so I wouldn't take his words for expertise.

>>61229056
how the fuck can you watch that shit

>>61229187
>AMDrones dropping Adored as soon as he doesn't indulge in their fantasy AMD masterplan bullshit anymore

Glorious

>>61229205
https://warosu.org/g/thread/S55127936#p55138219

>>61228551
Dont mind him he just a retard that thinks your crypto mining but he obviously didnt notice that they are all nvidia cards.

>>61228163
If it's slower than a 1080 it's going to be destroyed by mid range volta

Unless it's priced at 400 dollars or this is the lower tier vega card

>>61228163
Fucking price nigger where is it

>>61228651
>2010
you mean 2004

>>61229307
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/877972194755837952
[spoiler]We don't know yet[/spoiler]

>>61229394
>Caps
Are you that triggered by AMD new GPU?

>>61229506
The reason he keeps getting deleted isn't the video, it's the all-caps copypasta he's been spamming for months.

>>61229506
After Ryzen, he went into overdrive, AMD fucking up a gamer GPU is like a godsent to him even though it has nothing to do with Intel and even the shittiest of shittiest AMD GPU arches is better than whatever abortion Intel's iGPU is.

>>61228326
>Show me a 1080 for $300 you dipshit.

That's the point. It needs to be cheaper than a 1080. If it costs the same as a 1080 while being 10% faster, then it is completely useless because it is 2 years late.

>>61228392
>being this retarded
it is double rate, 1890/2=945.

>>61229037
3200 is a sure thing, higher might be an issue

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>>61228185
>>61228328
>>61228698
Need reference 1080 for comparison. They're comparing it to something like this.

>>61228303
There is no 14nm+discrete Vega. It's the raven ridge apu

>>61228325
To recoup costs. They just need to cut prices to sell. $400 1080? Yeah, people will buy it.

>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080

wut

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>>61230082
Why would I fucking lie? If there's a hardware bug, it's the reason of existence for Vega 14nm+, considering how close it would be to Navi

>>61228418
HBM will be necessary for MCM

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>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080

The 1070 is a great card for it's value but come on dude...

>>61228894
> 3400 is easy

I seen some memory speed Benches.
3000 to 3400 difference is negligible anyway

>>61230100
It's already confirmed. 14nm+ Zen and Vega are not different products, they're the APU

>>61228659
Because I want to play games not mine.

>ryzen only on par with year old intel tech
>vega only on par with year old nvidia tech
well at least AMD can finally be considered competition, if they keep this up they might actually gain some consumer confidence back

>>61228658
>I'm a 14 y/o who doesn't understand that adults like price/performance with purchasing anything tech or otherwise

It trades blows with a 1080ti and shits on the 1080 for cheaper. What in the actual fuck do you expect. Besides that with amd drivers you get better performance over time, compared to nvidia where driver support is dropped and you end up with a card that gets shit on by mid range amd offerings after a year or two.

>>61230669
Having a (You) deficit?

>>61228163
If this is priced appropriately it's going to be a good FineWine performer for 1080p 120Hz+ as well as 1440p. Not a 4K "Titan killer" but still pretty damn powerful.

I can see myself going for one and owning it for 3-5 years.

>>61228185
>Just barely beats a 9 month old 1080.
>Btfo by an overclock.
>Cannot even compete against a TI
>NVidia is 3 months from releasing it's next gen 2080 that will be 10% faster

Yet again, AMD is late to the party. If they released this in the last quarter of 2016 it would of been competitive now it is just sad.

>>61228333
>1060 cost 400euros
Just buy from a not shit store? They don't all price gouge.

I love it how it's gonna sell out regardless of what AMD prices it at (should be under $400 realistically)

>>61228391
More like 2-300.

>>61228163
>all these smug nvidiots ITT
Gaming doesn't matter babbies, if you want to partake in the jewish indoctrination program known as vidya you should be buying from the jewish company known as nvidia.
This card is for people who will actually do productive things like ether mining.

>>61230847
probably, unless it's $700
deficit is high though, anyone who needs top end gpu right now and can't find a single one in the store will get vega

>>61228499
Clock speed means nothing. Unless you think muh pentium 4 is still competitive against a i3.

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>>61230864
>productive things like ether mining

>>61228580
It's a test done by ((((((AMD)))))).

What do you expect...

>>61228163
GeForce GTX 1080 May 27, 2016
WOOOOOOOOOOOAAAHA a card that comes out 14 months later is faster? NO FUCKING WAY. Nigga kill yourself. Educate your self on leapfrog and understand that vega will be better till volta, then volta will be better til amd thing. ect. Nigga brains in this thread.

>>61230861
>1080+ performance for 2-300
Yeah I don't think that's happening.

>>61230864
>productive things like ether mining
top fucking kek. This slavic scamcoin is going to be worthless in 4 weeks.

>>61230932
>Yeah I don't think that's happening.

"Haha, why would AMD release 6900k performance for a third of the price? Are you retarded go take a economics class"

>>61228802
>at any useable resolution
Way to move them goal posts.

>>61230932
*switches to ETC or UBQ*
shhh nothing personnel kid

>>61228580
And the 1070 in the new chart hits 24k.

>>61228185

If it's not a reference card being tested, it's pointless.

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>>61230988

>>61230961
Consider the climate they are releasing the card in and the unprecedented demand for discrete GPUs right now. Also consider the fact that it's a massive fucking die (especially for AMD) and that it's strapped with HBM2.

I can see them price matching the 1070 but let's be real, when RX 580s are commanding $300+ prices then RX Vega is not going to be anywhere near it. $399 MSRP would be an absolute steal for this card but I predict it's a $450 MSRP for the base models with board partner variants extending up to $550 and above with fancy aftermarket coolers.

Who knows if you'll be able to find any for those prices though.

>>61230988
>ETC
>UBQ
>not CPU mining XMR
S H I T C O I N S

>>61228696
shut the fuck up

>>61228319
lol

>>61230923
It's a graph made by videocardz you dumb fuck.

>>61231139
We're hitting non-argument levels that shouldn't even be possible.

>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.
The fuck? You realize the 1070 is a physically cut down version of the same chip in the 1080 right? It's impossible for it to be faster. Please leave this place.

>>61230771
>>NVidia is 3 months from releasing it's next gen 2080 that will be 10% faster
When will this bullshit stop. Consumer Volta will not be released in 2017.

And if the performance of RX Vega remains as shitty as the anticipations, we might not even see it until 2018 because why should Nvidia release a new gen when their current gen BTFOs anything on the market

This thing with HBM2 will cost more than a GTX1080Ti.

You are absolutely delusional to think they could price it against a GTX1080.

HBM2 is very expensive.

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Housefire confirmation

>>61231784
LOL

>>61231754
Also the die size of the chip is about 50% larger than that of a 1080

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>>61231754
This meme again?

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

Only 6 times today? You're slacking off

https://warosu.org/g/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=AYYMD%20IS%20FINISHED%20&%20BANKRUPT

>>61231784
Coming up with fake tweets now? Either this is BS or he deleted it. Archive link or GTFO. https://twitter.com/GFXChipTweeter/with_replies

>>61231814
Oh, vey, why was the FuryX so expensive then?

>>61231882
Because AMD thought it would sell similar performance as Nvidia with the benefit of watercooling(temps and noise)

It obviously didn't work because of AIB 980ti's then

>>61231882
muh yields

>>61228163
Well, if AMD can develop great drivers.

>>61232003
They can, but they can't do it fast enough.

Just Wait for Navi™

>>61231882
It wasn't.

>>61228163
so they overclocked the HBM to get at 1080's level. Pretty nice, we can also assume the higher end model will be a watercooled 16GB, I wonder if that one will get close enough to the 1080ti

If that happens, FE owners will get mad

>>61232272
The one that will compete with 1080ti will have motherfucking TBR enabled.

>>61232295
Too late for that, the respin will have TBR

>>61232295
[citation required]

>>61232272
>so they overclocked the HBM to get at 1080's level
no they didn't. it is double rate due to two stacks.

>>61232312
>respin meme
This isn't going to happen, Vega would be out next year if this were the case.

>>61232372
You can do a respin in 2-3 months you dumb nigger.

>>61231814
1080 is much cheaper than vega that is confirmed first ddr is cheaper than hbm and die is 40% smaller in conclusion it should be around 70-100$ cheaper

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>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.
>Haven't tested a Titan Xp, but the Titan X Pascal is sometimes like 5% faster than my GTX 1070.
WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why don't we use GHz for GPU speeds? I'd rather use 1.6GHz istead of 1600MHz

>>61232312
>respin meme
Come on. I know you can shitpost better.

>>61232444
holy shit

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>>61232478

>>61228529
If they price it like current RX580's it would be a huge hit. If they price it like a 1080 (My guess they will) then I expect it to flop. Nvidia could easily control that market

>>61232494
>484mm^2 die
>price it like 580
Insane much?
Also RX Vega would not sell no matter how good it would be.

>>61232417
Because the nuances aren't that high yet. So Mhz is still valid.

When the threshold reaches > 2Ghz then it might be more valid to use Ghz metric, but for now, when GPU are around 1000 mhz to 2000 mhz, Mhz is still good.

>>61232444
It HAS to be a driver issue at this point. There's no way Vega can be slower than a fucking Fury X.

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>>61232493
>>61232444

>>61232535
Well, you got it, Sherlock. It is driver issue.

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Yup, drivers are fine! Nothing to fix here, it's as good as it gets

>>61232409
>durrdurr

AMD can sell Vega 10 at $200 and still make a profit, difference is AMD can deal with low margins while Nvidia can't
That's why AMD usually undercuts.

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This is a 120% driver issue, can't be anything else besides another Bulldozer, which would be shelved before it even taped out.

>>61232569
No they cant. AMD's average margins are like 30%. Unless you mean the chip to OEMs who actually make the cards

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This one is a real killer, similar performance underclocked and at stock.

Something's very wrong with Vega FE, or AMD is attempting the biggest sandbag imaginable.

>>61232535
>>61232544
>>61232556
>>61232493
>>61232444
>>61232478
Check out the pascal vs maxwell for same clock.

Protip Maxwell wins. The main feature of the new Pascal/Vega is higher clock speed at the expense of slightly lower IPC. If the sacrifice in slight IPC means a huge performance boost through clockspeed, then clockspeed will win all the time.

Both are optimized variants of older variant. We know for fact that Fury was a test bed for HBM tech. So it shouldn't be surprising.

>>61232556 >>61232614 >>61232641
What the fuck pajeets? How did they got it so wrong? They better hippity hoppity go fucking fixity it, because what the fuck AMD

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Can anyone tell me now they're not purposely limiting the gaming drivers?

Vega FE underclocked is anywhere from 15% to 400% faster in pro workloads AT THE SAME CLOCKS

These are effectively the same TFLOPs in the cards at 1050MHz(same shader count) something on the geometry side is not working at all, AMD is playing 2000D chess

>>61232676
Vega is not optimized Fiji. Big Polaris would be one. Vega is new uarch and RTG software team is struggling to make it work.

>>61232691
HOLY SHIT

>>61232676
But Vega is just beefed up Polaris, which is beefed up GCN1.0 seen since HD7970. Vega should be at least as fast as Polaris clock for clock (assuming same shader count ofc)

>>61232691
Oh wait what the fuck that SPEC suite is bretty old.

>>61232682
RTG China is working on Vega.

>>61232691
These are pro drivers.
There's a gaming mode but it does nothing.

AMD hasn't even attempted to put out working gaming drivers.

>>61232691
>IPC of Vega is worse than Fiji

Obviously not.

>>61232739
Obviously yes. The bibeline is some two stages longer. But it allowes for much higher clocks.

>>61232709
Vega's a new implementation of the GCN instruction set. It's like netburst to Core 2. Same ISA, different microarchitecture. And yes GCN was a name for both originally, it was a uarch and an ISA detailed in their programming guides

>>61232758
They explicitly said Vega will have higher IPC

>>61232777
It's woefully incorrect to use "IPC" for bibeocards, but whatever. It's mostly about packed math.

>>61232758
You don't know the pipeline stages of Vega nor do you know what went into it, just a different cache implementation can make a difference to IPC making a longer pipeline faster than a shorter one at the same clocks.

And while Vega is 10% slower per clock than Fiji in GAMES, it's anywhere from 20% to 8 times faster PER CLOCK in pro stuff.

There's a very big difference, and that means it's obviously not the same IPC or anywhere near the same arch as Fiji

>>61232691
>performance lower in gaming mode than pro mode in some games
"Gaming mode" doesn't do shit

Conclusion: Wait for actual gay drivers

>>61231814
That pic is horseshit for two reasons: 1. Fiji costs more to make due to being larger, and 2. you can potentially break things when you put them on the interposer, which completely tanks whatever yields you had before.

There's a reason why the Fury X2 shipped with three Fiji gpus - two in the card, and a third dead one outside it as a souvenir.

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>>61232715

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>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.

>>61228987
Forgetting that hbm2 is new.

>>61232854
Not all silicon is made the same, 28nm TSMC vs Glofo 28nm.

>>61232691

The Fuji card is not using drivers optimized for this kind of workload.

>>61232889
Neither does Vega FE. It's not using any kind of certified drivers with software profiles. It drive everything on pure compute power.

>>61228183
>calling amd for jewing on price
>calling amd for burning houses

all of these things are NVidia doings.What is next you gonna call out AMD for releasing 3.5gb,but marketing it at 4gb?

>>61232889
Is it Pro optimized or gaming optimized make up your mind?

Vega FE doesn't have app certification like Quadros have.

Does Fiji compare anywhere close to a P5000 like Vega does? No.

>>61232901
No, he'll say that their overclock-focused CPUs aren't for overclocking

>>61232691
so, compute power is there, but gaming is not.

this will be the greatest sandbagging I've ever seen. Bigger than ryzen sandbagging.

>>61232937
And that's definetly not the thing you would do in GPU market. Gaymen love dem shiny graphs.

>>61232937
Hard to beat "We lied to Intel about it's capabilities to their face".

isnt Volta like 6 months away?
if it has similar gains to the jump from gtx9XX to gtx10XX, then wouldnt RX Vega become nearly irrelevant.

>>61232957
>isnt Volta like 6 months away?
No.
>if it has similar gains to the jump from gtx9XX to gtx10XX
No, it lacks full node shrink.

>>61232898


There is no difference between pro and gaming drivers for AMD? What is the fuzz about this 'gaming mode' then?

>>61228313
The big thing of those new APIs is that the driver footprint is ridiculous, AMD just open up their gpu instructions to devs so they can use it instead of dealing with drivers wich isnt their strenght. So there is no such thing of pushing to an API or another since both doesnt need much effort on the driver side.

>>61232962
Actualy it is like 6 months away.

But seeing how much Vega sucks dick they might push it forward

>>61232947
>Hard to beat "We lied to Intel about it's capabilities to their face"
this is bigger. motherfuckers already selling the card only to kill them all a month later.

>>61232966
FE is le ebin gamedev/small studio type of card.
"Game mode" exists for gaymtesting. It does nothing now though.
>>61232976
You never delay new silicon. Especially when your life depends on gaymen sales.

>>61228263
>because amd drivers suck in linux
Now that even amdgpu in-kernel drivers have matured enough, this is a load of shit for majority of cards. Even Fiji cards have reached opengl performance parity between amdgpu+mesa libraries, amd linux binary drivers and amd winny drivers. Some opengl features that have been broken even during ati reign and still are on amd binary - both linux and windows - work on the open source stack.

Day by day, the nvidia blob increase the suck on unix side: their attempt at kms driver is fatally broken and they add unhealthy RH dependencies ever more. Very worrysome and a real shame, because the nvidia unix blob definitely have been very good for 15 years (if you don't agressive deprecation of old archs, which leaves older gpu's without driver support, because old blobs don't work with newer x server versions).

>>61232569
i dont say they wont, im just saying producing 1080 is cheaper than rx vega.

>>61233003
And you know nothing about RX Vega's performance right now.

>>61232984
The only thing wrong with the open driver stack is their dependance on high IPC: Piledriver cpu with same gpu gives only 50% of performance compared to Sandy Bridge cpu.

>>61232983
>You never delay new silicon
Eeuh yes you do?

Do you even into basic economics?

They aren't going to release new cards when all they would be doing is canabalizing their own sales.

Or they might go ahead and release them, but at extreme prices since there is no competition

>>61233011
yes i do, its around 1080, maybe be up to 10% faster, thats it.

>>61233049
Hello Jensen! How's GV100 yields?

>>61232957
Yeah. AMD fucked up its design, then its first production run putting it months behind schedule. At this point they should call it a loss and focus on navi 2018 so they stand a chance against volta.

>>61233054
yields dont matter, when you sell each card for 20k$

>>61232983
There is no delay. Volta just isn't ready, neither is GDDR6. Also, a publicly traded company should have predictable releases, meaning doing too well could actually hurt a company's image. It's why companies typically have a release cycle and release things on a predictable schedule, like all phone and laptop companies.

>>61233069
With yields like that you'll never sell them.

>>61233075
Unless your a amdumb and dont know how to publish an schedule with hard release dates.

>>61233114
Maxwell2 was TOTALLY 2013.
I swear by the holy name of Huang Maxwell2 was Q3 2013.

>>61232789
It's incorrect to use "IPC" whenever it's in the context of getting more performance out of the same clock speed. Allieviating a bottleneck does not increase the amount of instructions a processor can complete in a single clock.

The latency in pipe != IPC. With a longer pipeline you will get higher latency but you don't trade throughput in for it unless you have a workload which aggressively stalls the pipeline. Indeed Vega will try to compensate by lowering latency in other areas, e.g. L2. But you are right, "IPC" increase purported by AMD comes from RPM, not from some ALU improvement or a new SIMD instruction, at least as far as we know.

>>61233013
Yes, this is mainly because mesa didn't have a lot of the GL extensions which are implemented in the "0 driver overhead" model, which came with OGL 4.4, I believe.

>>61233033
>Eeuh yes you do? Do you even into basic economics?

You have to explain that shit to your shareholders, not the buyers.

>>61233168
Shareholders will be perfectly happy when Pascal continues to sell as well as it does due to lack of competition

>>61233033
my experience might be similar to others.
i recently bought a gpu for my first build.
I would have considered an AMD gpu, but they didnt have anything that competed against the gtx1070 months earlier. And then when mining became a thing again it became impossible to get anything AMD.

so i picked up a gtx1080 from a sale and likely wont be upgrading for a few years.
so rx vega is completely irrelevant to me.
only high end nvidia gpus are easy to get right now.
they took to long and from my point of view knowing nothing about business, amd shot themselves in the face, miners raped the corpse, and Nvidia can take their time making sure their next line blows the 10 series out of the water with the expectation that it will take AMD 2-3 years to respond.

>>61233130
>Allieviating a bottleneck does not increase the amount of instructions a processor can complete in a single clock.
It does, however, increase the number of instruction having been executed over a larger number of clock cycles, which is far from unreasonable to speak of as "IPC".

>>61233326

Anyone who uses the term IPC in the context of a gpu is either 1) massively simplifying the issue or 2) a retard.

Hint: /g/ isn't the first one.

>>61233364
Why? GPUs still execute instructions.

>>61233364
AMD officially uses IPC to refer to performance over some unit

>>61233376

CPUs exist to perform as many instructions per clock as possible. GPUs exist to execute instructions in as few clocks as possible - in a sense gpus work on an inverse IPC scale.

>>61233390

They do in their marketing slides precisely because most people are like /g/ and have no idea of how a gpu actually works, for a high level overview its a recognisable term.

>>61233390
I think they use performance/watt generally.

>>61233422
>in a sense gpus work on an inverse IPC scale
That's precisely my point, though. It's still IPC. How many instructions are actually retired in any single cycle is hardly even important on CPUs, it's all about how few cycles you need to execute any particular number of instructions.

>>61228163

>on par with only a 1080
>it will be just as expensive because of HMB2

I mean, I absolutely want to AMD to break jewvidyas monopoly but it's fucking dead on arrival.

>>61233560
Read the thread.

>>61228163

But what does it really change, OP?

All I want is good card from MIDDLE price range. Im not earning tons of money and I dont buy "high end" cards that would cost me fortune. And it pains me that so often companies forget about those "middle one" guys.

>>61232691
This gave me HOPE for the gaymen drivers.

>>61233128
>a couple of weeks late is the same as a couple of months
Wew lad

Well the stock is up 8% so somethings clearly happening

>>61233946
>beating a 1080 a year late at a housefire tdp is an accomplishment

>>61233983
Uhhh..?

>>61233983
Hi Huang!
How's V100 yields? Still <1.7%?

We need a new cpu/GPU companies to compete with Intel/Nvidia/AMD to push innovation.

>>61233983
it does pales in comparison to nvidia's ridiculous leap forward, sure, but in a vacuum this is an uncharacteristically large gain for RTG

the payoff of making massive gains can be totally overshadowed by somebody else doing even better but I guess that's just the nature of the beast

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>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.
>Haven't tested a Titan Xp, but the Titan X Pascal is sometimes like 5% faster than my GTX 1070.

>>61232878
All that matter is the wafer size and how many dies you can fit on it, you fucking retard. Prices are per wafer and nvidia can fit more 1080Ti dies than amd with vega. Fuck off back to /v/.

>>61232957
I don't expect much improvement in VOLTA since it will be 16nm again.

>>61228163
TDP and Price.

>>61232272
no 16GB version on RX Vega.

>>61232957
Volta is Q2 2018 if they're using GDDR6. Otherwise probably Q1 2018.

>>61234049
Ebin memes won't sell your turd, poojet.

>>61234285
So how's yields?

>>61234285
Post yields or gtfo

>>61234292
>>61234302
Post pic of you using the loo.
also back to r/amd

>>61233593

What am I missing, exactly?

>>61228319
>Most of the time the GTX 1070 is faster than the GTX 1080.

>>61234334
Read the thread. Again.
>>61234332
How's yields, boyo?
Or you want another article of Charlie shitting on 1.7-tier disaster called V100?

>>61234334
Nothing. Just damage controlling indians.

>>61234394
How's GV100 yields?

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Has AMD received any of the Intel court mandated reparations yet?

>>61228282

The thread does not disprove my theory at all, because >>61234355 sums it up.

A typical 1080 cost ~500 EUR before the chink miners killed the market, and unless the Vega launches for at the VERY least ~100 bucks less, it will be dead in the water.

Which is not very likely since HBM is expensive and even then the card is a housefire.

>>61234418
No.
>>61234429
Yes, mr. Huang, your theory is the greatest of all.

>>61234418
AMD sued intel years ago for fixing benchmarks, they then wasted all the money they won.

>>61234418
Nope, and they never will because Intel hasn't done anything besides improving its platform, AMD can whine all it wants lol

>>61234440

I don't want it to be true but I'm too jaded to expect otherwise.

>>61228163
>card released more than a year after the 1080 is more powerful than a 1080

OH FUCK DUDE

At this rate Nvidia is going to have to do something ABSOLUTELY MENTAL. something UNTHINKABLE. Sometimes like releasing the 11XX line this year as a part of their INCREDIBLE static release schedule.

>>61234443
They haven't gotten it yet, retard.
>>61234450
I can easily see AMD putting some lawyers on task for that once they have the spare funds.

>>61234514

>I can easily see AMD putting some lawyers on task for that once they have the spare funds.

Given how expensive court cases of this size are its probably not worth the effort at this point in time - AMD is probably better off investing back into the company than a foolhardy attempt to get shekels out of Intel.

>>61232691
REPEAT WITH ME

FASTER THAN A 1080TI

>>61234499
I'd be really surprised if they announced a 2017 release date for Volta.

>>61234540
If only it was faster in gayms.

>>61234486
You're arguing with amdtard.

>>61234540
Even the latest leaks only put it 18.9% ahead of a 1080 in 3Dmark 11. Come on now.

Fun fact. AMD first CPU was a copy paste of Intel 8086 wich they put up engineers to study a picture taken for marketing porpouses. Intel sued AMD but had to lift off because IBM wanted a second source in chips to make THE DEAL with Intel wich them licensed the x86 for AMD. Intel for a long time used AMD fabs to make their own CPUs.

>>61228163
hope it looks like the OP pic, really nice this design, but i'd want a hybrid design too so we can get more performance on the gaymen cards

>>61234514
>They haven't gotten it yet, retard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices,_Inc._v._Intel_Corp.

"In November 2009, Intel agreed to pay AMD $1.25 billion as part of a deal to settle all outstanding legal disputes between the two companies."

Anon why do you lie on the internet? Or are you just that stupid?

>>61234561
So 10% to go?

>>61234561
I wonder what's the performance difference between the 300W and 375W card

>>61234665
>agreed to pay
Retard. https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Intel-still-hasnt-paid-AMD-12-billion-USD-anti-trust-fine

Reminder that AMD cucks that had to wait™ have to preorder RX Vega or risk another two years without a recent GPU waiting™ for Navi

>>61234763
t. Jen Hsun Huang

>>61234763
I'm going to buy Vega because there aren't any other high end GPUs available right now.

>>61234763
amdloos are too poor to afford anything >$250
they wouldn't buy vega even if it was good

>>61234801
They have no choice. Cryptofags are still going strong.

>The "Fiji fallback driver" or "Fiji drivers" meme needs to stop. That's not how it works or should be described. Otherwise you should start calling Volta drivers Pascal drivers Maxwell drivers. There is obviously commonality -- that's just how software engineering needs to work for a GPU -- but calling it a Fiji driver or Fiji fallback is wrong.
>Rys, 2 minutes ago

>>61234678
It can probably hit boost clocks and stay there.

>>61234867
Regardless how it's called, it's beyond evident that drivers are not there.

Fiji fallback name gained name because it performs like Fiji per clock

>>61235316
>>61234867
GN just did clock for clock comparisons, there's clearly a bottleneck someone in the Vega arch, as at ~ 1500mhz it's no where near 50% faster than the Fury X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l6Uc5kBrxY&t=0s

>>61235457
It's INSANELY faster clock per clock in SPEC suite.
It's drivers.

>>61235476
But if it's faster per clock in those tests then it's clearly down to the new architecture being better at those applications

>>61235496
Or drivers, which would make more sense.
Pro stuff still uses the same hardware gaming does, there's no special "pro" or "gaming" pipeline in GPUs, it does both, with one usually being gimped by drivers

>>61235608
I'm sure pro drivers could help, but the radeon pro duo also had pro drivers and in PCper's tests it didn't do too hot some of the time

>>61235625
Dual GPU and a completely different arch with far more mature drivers(that are also certified).
There's literally nothing you can extrapolate from that.