Are normies seriously starting to learn to code proficiently, or is it just the newest hip trend?
Where do we move on if they take over?
I tried taking an evening class that started with C# at a university since day job
Many normies. The class was done in such a way that logic was practially ignored in terms of programming and just thrown in as a "logic course" while the actual aspects of coding in C# was "please copy my code directly and it will work!".
So no, you have fuck all to worry about. I learned more myself from three hours of self-teaching that I did from 5 3 hour classes. Because I had to end up helping the lecturer correct others who were fucking up.
I've never coded before that class.
Normies aren't taking your jobs and never will be. They're not smart enough to into computers. Normies who can into computers well? Yes, those you can worry over.
>>61212407
How did she take that picture when both her hands are on the keyboard?
Really makes you think ...
>>61212577
that's her bull behind her taking it
>>61212577
>Too stupid to see the reflection in the display
>>61212407
I took a couple of these "learn programming online and be a kool kid!" thinggies.
They are on the same level as the "Learn Koding with Frozen's Elsa". See for yourself:
https://studio.code.org/s/frozen/stage/1/puzzle/1
Normies taking these courses get to understand some of the most basic, most simple aspects of copy/pasting. They would get stumped at FizzBuzz.
No one is taking over anything.
>>61212615
>No one is taking over anything.
It's not about taking over, not in the slightest. It's about creating a market of 'people who can program' of people who can't actually program. Because then a company that needs a real programmer can choose from a much larger pool, and push down wages of extremely complex intellectual labour.
It's about making programmers cheaper, turning them into banana farmers, eking out a living, barely supporting themselves on a 90 hour work week. 90 hours a week isn't enough for the big corporations, they want slaves.
>>61212635
>Because then a company that needs a real programmer can choose from a much larger pool, and push down wages of extremely complex intellectual labour.
You are speaking from a fantasy perspective.
Non-programmers who call themselves programmers are not something the industry was suddenly facing in 2016. It has been a documented issue for 10 years:
https://blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/
https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-nonprogramming-programmer/
Yeah, that's right. FizzBuzz? That was from 2007!
Weeding out these new "I took a two week bootkamp for koding!" folks is not an issue. The tools for separating the wheat from the chaff are already there.
People who need competent programmers know what to look for.
No clue, I only know BASIC and normies think that's really impressive.
>>61212615
the issue with this is that they allow arbitrarily long scratch instances to run. they should ban everything but the optimal solution
>>61212681
And programming wages have been going down steadily for 10 years
What a coincidence
>>61212407
You'll find men that exist like this too, absolutely obsessed with what the world views them as. It's sad really, let them sit around throwing shit at each other, they'll get tired of it eventually.
>>61212798
https://www.sokanu.com/careers/computer-programmer/salary/
Me: applying to hack reactor in a month. Yeah I Kno it's a bootcamp but it's an intensive one, 3 months straight 6 days a week 12 hours a day.
Right now I'm doing alot of self teaching to Ace the technical interview and do the bootcamp already knowing alot.
I've finished codecademy and am now on hackreactor free online course. So far I get it. I can do fizzbuzz easily. I understand oop.
Here is the thing, I am capable and really smart, I just have to put the Vidya away and study to learn it.. in highschool I was good at math but I wasn't trying so I got lousy grades. Now I'm putting in the time and I am progressing well with learning.
I'm Mexican and my token status will get me accepted at the bootcamp, obviously I'll pass the tech interview.
>>61212407
nah. drag-and-drop programming has been around for decades, normies will never be within an order of magnitude of wizards
>>61212844
that's fine, jS isn't programming
>>61212868
Are u mening me? Because it sounds like your meming me.
Even if your right, it's a step to becoming a programmer. Just weeds out the incapables.
I'm learning to code in college and jesus christ, my class makes me feel like a prodigy, these faggots get mad at the teacher because tests require thinking and figuring things out, they actually expected that programming would be copy pasting a formula for each occasion
okay guys I just tried fizzbuzz on my phones terminal in c on my toilet with 1 hand and it's really easy I checked parts ( not gonna scroll through the whole output) and it matches expected output is this a meme or are people fucking retarded
>>61212407
>Where do we move on if they take over?
What, why? These people won't it make it farer than JS shit.
If you are scared being driven out of the job by a newbies, you're a nigger.
>>61212798
>>61212824
lmao btfo.
>>61212561
If a normie is good with computers
Is it really a normie?
Also you guys ironically follow a strict subculture for hating mainstream social people so much
>>61213112
A normie who is good with computers is one who can browse the web for 30 minutes without getting a virus.
>follow a strict subculture for hating mainstream social people so much
No one here hates normal people. You are thinking of /pol/. What I hate is when someone takes a two-week course to learn <b> and <i>, and then they call themselves programmers.
>>61212824
Is that adjusted for inflation?
>>61212407
The normies are comming for you anon
>>61213244
>moving the goalposts
also in case you didn't know overall income in the US has adjusted very poorly for the past 20/30 years. one of the reasons why people are calling for a higher minimum wage
>>61213217
Anon you replied to.
By "normie", I meant someone who would pick up coding as something "fun" to do but give up quickly without dedicated guidance. Hence my anecdoate about the college course.
A normie that can into computers is someone who might know what adblockers are, what rooting your phone is, that certain software requires you to to meet certain hardware requirements, what an SSD is, what the difference is between a store bought desktop and a custom built one
And so on.
>>61212882
He's not memeing you
>>61212681
>For example, I've personally interviewed graduates who can't answer "Write a loop that counts from 1 to 10"
lmao
Programming is just a trade now, like plumbing or carpentry.
I wanted to be a """"""programmer"""""" when I started uni and did ICT. Then I realised how code is just a tool to use to make computers/technology do really cool and interesting stuff.
Not saying that it is a bad thing to want to be a programmer, but when people say that's all they want to do, they're basically just saying "I want to feel like and make normal people think I'm a sick computer person" but they don't want to actually learn what computers are capable of.
It's like just learning how to drive an automatic car, stopping at that and calling yourself a car enthusiast.
>>61215140
Well spoken
What's wrong with bootcamps?
I mean several month-long ones, not the "become an HTML/CSS expert in a week" stuff
>>61212771
>implying optimizing a scratch “program” isn't an NP-complete task
>>61212407
If I may make an analogy, I see coding to Gen Y and Z as speaking a second language is to Boomers.
You see, boomers will learn about 20 words of a language and about 5-10 useful expressions and consider themselves fluent in that language, despite being woefully ignorant. For Gen Y and Z programming is their second language. They learn a few code snippets, and a few expressions, but the underlying grammar and structure is never learned and they eventually stop studying since they're already "fluent."
In short, you have nothing to worry about.