/w4v/ - Daily Wait for Vega Thread

>>61212034
>mcdonalds color scheme
wew

>>61212093
Rest easy anon, it's just a concept.

>>61212034
390x aussie here again

i am fucking sick of waiting its a absolute joke we have to wait almost 2 years for a shitty fury x replacement

>>61212093
I still prefer Fallout Edition.

welp when we said that amd is sandbagging like crazy we knew it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoiPVVUnl8&t=405s

no drivers for it
artificiallly being holded back
basicly a hype card till the real thing comes out
this card will be a monster of OC

Haven't been keeping up with graphics cards lately. Can this thing be preordered yet? I want to try and secure one before miners grab them all.

>>61212210
dude amazon is selling amd cards on a bulk nowdays
pretty sure you need to be lucky af to get one

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>>61212210
Not yet. Just wait

>>61212210
miners might not buy this one, making it the sole GPU on the market at reasonable price
even 1080 are stupid expensive right now because of miners, in my country they cost ~$1600

I don't know, it might be crazy good for AMD this year if RX delivers something slightly above 1080.

>>61212255
you dropped this ™

>>61212210
just get an nvidia

>>61212210
You wish.

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>>61212210
>tfw we have reached a point with computer hardware where you need to pre-order some component not because you're hyped for it, but because some fucks buy everything out

>>61212034
I haven't followed /g/ much lately, but
this card is being shit upon because of its bad gaming performance, when it isn't for gayman? How it performs in intended role?

>>61212034
What's the function of the R cube?

>>61212034
This looks awful. Is it shopped?
Looks like McDonalds.

Will Vega allow me to kill crypto miners with thought alone?

390x here again ,why are amd so fucking incompetent?

We know the launch window is gonna be a clusterfuck aka 290 and 480

>>61213774
Cosmetic, it's not a GPU tach.
>>61213808
>Is it shopped?
>>61212107

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>>61213774
and here i thought you were talking about this cube

100tflops

Fucking miners, are there any chance for the cryptocurrency to crash into oblivion and never recover anytime soon ?I want to buy a new GPU

>>61212093
>he doesn't like mcdonalds
wew to you

>>61214443
I want to buy a Koduri cube.

>>61215382
I don't want to be anywhere near a pajeet soul cube

>>61215487
t. leather jacket man

>>61215511
i don't want to be near sentient cowhide clothing either

>>61215531
t. Brian Krzanich

>>61214443
>inb4 this acts like a single GPU through infinity fabric

>>61215632
Pretty sure it summons Pinhead, though.

>>61214443
What is this thing?

>>61215835
A hypercube.

>>61212270
>RX delivers something slightly above 1080.
After driver optimizations and actually enabling the hardware features it has, it should easily be above a 1080 in most games. Real question is if they can price it the same as a 1080 as the die size is still quite large, and how long it will take them to get the drivers mature (If it's longer than a month or two, gg)

Still don't think we're seeing consumer Volta until Q2 2018. I doubt NVidia has any reason to rush things even if they're not using GDDR6 on their new cards.

>>61216023
Consumer Volta is bigger housefire-enabling dies. Why would you wait?

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>>61216058
I'm interested in what kind of new stuff they added, like the convergence optimizer thing. Wonder if this makes any difference.

>>61216090
It's only for GV100 and it's only (just like L1 changes) for easier GPGPU programming.

>>61215835
vega borg edition once you booted it up you part of the collective

>>61216090
this is literally a hardware sc the sole reason as to why amd always has over the top tdp
and this is the reason to the rumors of volta being i9 lvl of housefires as well

>>61216141
would be hilarious if it's inverted on both fronts

>>61216216
GPUs will always be hot because you can make better GPU will bigger, more power hungry die.

>>61216227
same was said about 6c+ CPUs

>>61216330
You can't directly compare GPUs and CPUs.

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>>61212034
AMD Threadripper when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iaUjU-2Jmc
SELL SELL SELL

>>61216330
Different workloads.
Code that runs on GPU is basically lots of tiny simple tasks that are embarrassingly parallel.
Code that runs on CPU is a lot more complex, with lots of branching and dependencies, which makes parallelism hard.

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They will probably test the Radeon Pro WX 9100 with games too and bitch about it.

https://www.techpowerup.com/234855/amd-readies-radeon-pro-wx-9100-vega-for-professionals

>>61218235
FE was a mistake marketing-wise anyway.

>>61217609
kek

Vega is a disaster level blunder.

>>61214539
At this point? No.

>>61217609
>SELL SELL SELL
>Implying AMD's stock will tank because of a bunch of gamer nerds whining on the internet about a GPU that was never even targeted at them
>Implying Epyc won't kick Intel in the balls causing their stock price to go even higher

>>61218429
He's not paki tho.
>>61218423
>replying to bait
Come on.

>>61212034
AMDrones on suicide watch, best day of my life

>>61218541
Yes yes Huang now imagine the margins on EPYC.

>>61218423
>Biggest AMD apologist on youtube calls vega worse than fermi
>Muh not intended for gaymen
Just accept the facts, vega is a failure

>>61212093
>we want the american market

>>61212109
390x yank, just buy another hawaii card, it will only draw about the same wattage as an oc'd liquid cooled vega, and perform better.

I can barely understand this guy. He needs to tone down the accent or use speech synthesis

>>61212034
>not Wait for Navi

ya blew it

We're waiting for vega to see how big of a disaster it will be even more

>>61218861
t. leather jacket man

>>61218719
t. dumb american

>>61218888
Yea I'm a bad boy. You see my tattoo?

>>61218908
Huang you're a gigantic fucking faggot that almost killed nVidia.

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>>61217609
holy fuck if even adored thinks its shit, its fucking shit

guess im keeping my 290x again

>>61218966
THE FIRE RISES

>amd confirmed frontier is NOT a gaming card
>HURR DURR VEGA SUCKS MUH GAMES

>>61212034
no, wait for navi

>>61219005
It's either RTG have gaymen drivers for release or Vega is DOA.

>>61217609
>23 mins in
>amd sanbagged the drivers to kill the hype because it wont beat a 1080ti
>Frontier performance is near 1070 level
>team red on suicide watch
>new driver enables full vega power level
>1080 performance
>red team flood the streets and rejoice
Lisa knows what she's doing.

>>61219005
What's your excuse going to be when the Radeons are also bad?

>>61219018
It's already shown to be more than a match for the 1080TI in productivity benchmarks, including cinebench's openGL test. If they're sandbagging and Vega isn't broken hardware then Lisa's going to be dropping a bomb

>>61219005
It's 'not a gaming card' in the same way the Titan x is not a gaming card.

So that really isn't an argument

>>61219005
>all /g/ would ever buy it for is gaming
>try and dismiss it

kek

>>61219036
Lisa gives ~0 shits about gaymen markets.
It's no money versus selling EPYC with stellar margins.

>>61219036
Yes, just what we all wanted, openGL performance. i cant wait to enjoy all these benchmarks with my friends!

>>61219055
What else would you need besides OGL/OCL performance from a fucking Radeon? It's /g/.

>>61219054
Isn't the console gpu market what kept them afloat

>>61219080
A combination of things kept them afloat. Definetly not gaymen GPUs.
Anyway it's time for AMD to eat through some sweet sweet datacenter marketshare.

>>61219022
>Rx 480 and Rx 580
>Not completely shitting in the 1060
>Not better at DX12 and vulkan

Fuck off dumbass.

>>61219115
He means RX Vega.

>>61219115
Make me bitch

>>61219055
It means the hardware is all there and works just fine on a generic rendering benchmark, the drivers for DX games (and maybe other openGL functionality) just needs to be finished.

>>61219115
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/ it should be more powerful, its more expensive

compare 1060 with 560

>>61219215
>trusting amd to supply good drivers.

so itll be good in 2 years

>>61219215
I don't think RTG will be able to do it in time.

>>61219237
They've got that sweet Wait™ tech

>>61219237
>Trusting Nvidia with drivers
It'll be shit within 2 years

>>61219267
when i will sell my card and buy an up to date card. all graphics cards are out of date in 3 or so years

>>61219279
This kek

How about AMD just release a product thats good at launch instead of something that 'might' be good in a few years

>>61219293
>R9 series and rx series
>Not good at launch
>Not improving on top of that.

>>61219402
>good
>double the power draw and heat output of the competition

They had good performance, that's true, now with Vega it seems like they are on behind on power consumption/heat and performance

>>61219421
Yes yes they are behind everything now its my time to give away my money to leather jacket man.

My current hardware is so old that pretty much anything will be a good upgrade. I just want to get RX Vega so I don't have to bother getting anything newer for a few years.

>>61219455
You need to buy nvidia.

>>61214539
When ETH becomes PoS all this craze will be over. Just Wait™

>>61219466
>Buying nvidia
>Cards age like milk

What's even the point of FE? Okay, it's not for gaming, so why even give it an option to switch to the """gayming""" version of the drivers?

>>61219486
Marketing? I guess.
>>61219479
Then buy a new nvidia card. What are you, poor?

>>61219486
despite being shit at gaming its STILL better than any other amd card at it. so amd fanboys who dont understand gaming will buy 2 anyway. its an idiot blocker basically

>>61219279
>buying a new GPU every 3 years like a fucking cuck
Not everyone was born with a golden spoon in their ass like you faggot. Some of us have to work for our money and we have to pay the bills as well.

>>61219486
the gay ming driver just changes the interface, nothing else.

>>61219501
>Paying more money for degrading performance and anti-consumer/competition policies

Yeah no thanks. I have adult bills to pay

>>61219639
You don't like nvidia? Then fuck off.
Only nvidia makes good gaming gear.

>>61219515
That is so retarded. Just buy a 1080 at that point and be happy.

>>61219687
it is, but welcome to fanboyism. AMD just isnt the same company it was. blame normies

>>61219651
I don't know about you but when drivers gimp my high end GPU in two or three years making mid-range shit from AMD better than mine I wouldn't call that a good game gear.

>>61219760
Exactly. Fuck Nvidias drivers, fuck anti-consumer practices.

People who say Nvidia is always better really don't understand how much longer the average amd card is relevant in comparison to team greens gimped high end GPUs. The 680 and 780ti should have been a lesson to people but no.

>>61219905
Never said they gimped it, they just don't give a fuck about older cards and let them fall way behind in performance for no reason.

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I was right about 1070 levels. I want all those shills that cried shitposting to APOLOGIZE

>>61218235
Interesting no one ever complains when people run gaming benchmarks on titans when the official Nvidia line is Titans aren't for gaming. Titans and Quadros can play games just fine, but when the Vega FE has underwhelming gaming performance suddenly everyone starts screaming "It's not for gaming!"

>>61219018
Sandbagging a GPU launch would be fucking retarded given gaming shit usually sells on hype and marketing. Killing hype is the worst thing to do for a GPU, especially when AMD hasn't had the best luck selling high end GPU's like the 390X or Fury X.

>>61220012
No amount of hype or good performance will save AMD. They are too late.
Actually who the fuck cares EPYC will give them the money anyway.

>>61219905
Former 780ti owner
They didn't gimp it at all
Performance remained the same.

It's just newer games were optimized for the 900 series so the 700 series fell from Grace.
My 780ti at 1,350mhz was easily beating 980s.
However, the 3gb of Vram was a bottleneck at anything above 1080p.

>>61220198
I think lack of VRAM really is the biggest issue with a lot of Nvidia cards, the 980 still performs fine but only having 4GB makes it useless for 1440p nowadays. Memory was bottlenecking me hard in RE7, not even sure why the game uses so much VRAM when all the textures look blurry as fuck.

>>61220198
Explain how the R9 290x outperformed the GTX 780Ti like it was nothing?

>>61220353
More compute. Modern engines are compute-heavy.

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>>61220198
>My 780ti at 1,350mhz was easily beating 980s.

>>61220353
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti

??

>>61220422
>GPUboss
enjoying your first day in /g/?

>>61220422
>GPU boss
>Not a nvidia/Intel shill site for tech illiterate retards.

>>61212034
what is this mcdonalds branded brick?

>>61218563
>adoredtv is an amd apologist now
just be honest and admit you hate him because he disagreed with you once

you petulant child

>>61220125

not really. im still gonna get it if its priced right.

i have a sick freesync monitor and my 390x is in need of replacing.

as long as its a 1080 performer im ok with that.

but ill say this. AMD fucked up badly here.

all they had to do was beef up polaris and stick on some gddr5x on it and be good to go.

but no they had to go full retard with HBM and HBC.

>>61220422
>>61220433
>>61220674
now I'm wondering, why is nobody aggregating professional review numbers? even as products get replaced they still show up in professional reviews for a couple generations.

all we get is this shitty crowdsourced meme crap ran by idiots. it would be nice to have solid, reliable numbers on how older GPUs and CPUs perform in modern scenarios.

>>61221588
But he has never disagreed with me.

>>61221609
>im still gonna get it if its priced right.
Same. I have a 380x and it's workable but I'd like to retire it and just let it quietly mine in a side rig. The price has to be right though.

>>61221638
because you need to own all the hardware hardware and redo the benchmarks every couple months.
That's a lot of money and a lot of work and tech journalists don't have money and hate work.

>>61221638
because review sites all use different games, so its impossible. and most dont run the meaningless bench programs that are either biased or useless in real situations.

it is a decent idea though.

userbenchmark is pretty legit desu

>>61221609
No, big Polaris would be a gigantic mistake. And no one would buy it anyway.

>>61221672
>no one would buy it anyway

i think this is the problem. amd would have to blow nvidia out the water like they used to to get any real sales and recoup the research needed. and 2bh i dont think they could even if they wanted to. theyve given up truly competing with nvidia

better to be smart and make budget cards to go in consoles and play 90 percent of the popular pc games at 1080 60 fps because thats where the casuals/money is

>>61221672
No-one buys AMD GPUs regardless. 1080 outsold the 480. Gaymurs just buy NVidia. AMD is really just wasting their time in the consumer add-in board GPU space. They should stick to embedded, consoles and workstation/prosumer.

>>61221665
wouldn't need to actually own any hardware, just to read reviews

the only issue I can see is that there's no way to tell whether reviewers actually benchmark old chips or just stick them in the graphs for comparison

the cynic in me would assume latter but I'd be surprised for such shitty journalism to go unnoticed for so long

>>61221716
They need to target the gamers that cant afford nvidia like the 3rd world. brazil eastern europe etc that love shit like dota but cant afford to spend 200 usd on a nvidia card to play it

>>61221705
No, even shitting on nVidia from top to bottom barely helps, since Thermis outsold Evergreens. Like, no matter how good their products are, people refuse to buy Radeon.

>>61221705
>theyve given up truly competing with nvidia
that's not up to them. only way to do that is to leave the industry.

they've given up chasing halo products in general because that's a terrible strategy for them. Ryzen and Polaris are evidence that it works.

>>61221738
They have the 460/550. NVidia has the GT 1030 in that space now, too. They also have APUs (Raven Ridge coming soon)

>>61221744
Ryzen will have great halo product that will sell fairly well, mostly because Intel is Satan himself in the eyes of many people.

>>61221738
Margins are too slim to actually bother, better sell some more console chips.

>>61221727
you can't reliable compare numbers from different reviewers. They use different test systems, different games, different settings, different levels or game modes, different game versions, different driver versions, different room temperatures, etc.
With modern graphics cards it also makes a huge difference if you just benchmark for 5 or for 30 minutes. Nvidia cards are really fast for about 10 minutes before they have heated up and begin throttling to stay within their power and temperature targets.

GPU testing is very unscientific.

>>61221821
The metric doesn't need to be good to be the best we have

Will the RX be thirsty as the Frontier?

>>61221975
Its still 4k ALUs so 250watts of TDP at very least.

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>>61212093
It's supposed to make you hungry

>>61221705
If I were AMD right now I don't think I'd give a flying fuck about nvidia's gayming gpu cards in business terms

It's nvidia's biggest source of revenue by far while AMD have all these new cpus and oem/console/apu graphics parts ready to part the goyim and their shekels

Why fight head-on when you can flank them?

>inb4 adoredtv master plan and similar autistic screeching

>>61221716
>AMD is really just wasting their time in the consumer add-in board GPU space
Selling every chip they make to some coinfag?

It doesn't look good for them in the Steam survey but they're taking shekels either way

>>61221790
Even if Intel wins on raw performance, ebyn and kikeripper being close but offering a way more i/o will suit a lot of people who were otherwise stuck buying HEDT or Xeons

I'll piss myself laughing when we start seeing nvidia's precious datacenter market powered by AMD's cpus

>>61224116
>Selling every chip they make to some coinfag?
Let's face it, they lucked into that. Their GPUs would still be sitting on shelves and in warehouses if not for Etherium.

>>61224163
and Buttcoin and Litecoin before it

These pump and dump meme schemes are endless now that people are so invested into them and will do all kinds of shit to keep them going

But mining was a thing back when I had a 7970 in 2013. I still have 50 litecoins as a reminder of my energy-wasting stupidity

>judging gaming performance based on half year old fiji drivers

amd made ryzen look really shitty too just before launch

>>61212034
There are apparently major flaws in the silicon of this first production run which had to shut down and be restarted. Thats why we have this werird "frontier edition"" card. Because its too fucked to be an RX gaming card and too fucked to be a FirePRO card but they want to recoup some losses by selling something.

Thats a good sign because it means that when the problems fixed and production continues the new cards for "gaming" will perform much better. Also theres a bunch of stuff like the new Rasterization method that are not even activated yet.

Ultimate performance is a question mark but This frontier card is the absolute worst it can possibly get and its still beating a 1070 to shit and matching a stock 1080 in most cases.

That means when they make a binned "core" series vega card at 399$ to compete with the gtz 1070 it will be very competitive. Keep in mind the Crimson drivers are much more user friendly and appealing that Geforce these days. I personally had a better user experience on my gtx 470 with crimson than i currently do on my gtx 1080 with geforce If AMD offered a 1080 matched card at a better price that would be good.

Also remember Navi. The whole point of vega is to fundamentally redesign every single peice of the architecture and throw out all the old legacy bullshit of GCN that holds back the polaris cards.

Now that they have a new arch to tweak and refine they will move forward with Navi which is this new architecture scaled up the same way they scale Ryzen. They take an 8-core cpu die and then fuse 4 of them on a package to create a 32-core chip that slaps intel's shit while being more efficient both in power and economy of scale.

Take that same infinity fabric technique and apply it to a GPU. Put 4 tiny vega20 dies on an interposer and connect them in a mesh. Thats 8,000shaders of raw power in a low power envelope for a low cost of manufacture and would perform surprisingly well against even a 5,400 cuda core Volta Gpu

>>61224678
Heard this shit before. If there were really problems like that, the delay would be much, much longer.

>>61224678
You know how much money and time it would take to fix a major flaw in a produce if the flaw is in the design and not the production line once you have started production? Companies have gone out of business from this kind of stuff before. Unless you are telling me that this is a production line issue because if it is not, there would be a quarter delay minimum to redesign around a major flaw.

>>61224528
And then holy shit, loads of people saved $$$!

>>61212034
Vega is DOA.

hello is vega release yet?

>>61224678
It's literally just a driver problem. Raja implied the hardware design was relatively easy and completed ages ago

>>61225914
Vega10 was taped out probably in ~november.
Yes, writing drivers is that hard.
No, really, maxwell2 was delayed for a reason too.

/gamersnexus/

>>61225943
Is Volta a die shrink of Pascal? Nvidia managed to get 40% IPS from this one simple trick.

>>61227803
U wot? Pascal has 0 ILP improvements, just moar ALUs and higher clocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iaUjU-2Jmc

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>61218235
WX is actually a professional card though, FE is a prosumer card for poorfags who can't afford an actual pro card like the original Titan

>>61212034
BREAKING NEWS https://videocardz.com/70777/amd-radeon-rx-vega-3dmark11-performance

>>61228139
not half bad if real

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>>61222050

I just hope Vega will have like the Sega boot up sound.
Veeega!