Why Linux is not popular among regular users? Why nobody uses

>>61205379
Because linux isn't for utter moron tech illiterate people. You have to know a little about computers to install it or even know it exists.

Magic

>>61205379
>Why Linux is not popular among regular users?
because its not 1-click install for everything

>Why nobody uses Linux besides developers and hobbists?
I am a developer and a hobbist. I don't use it since I want to do devving on my projects.

In Windows I will be devving 100% of the time.

In Linux it is 30% devving and 110% fighting with the OS while going on to Indiana Jones style treasure treks to track down that missing package that seemingly every single thing in my installation is dependant on, but along the voyage it turns out that this package was last updated at year 1743 AD and that it also depends on a package(that no one assed to include with it). Solving the mystery behind that package reveals that this package has never existed and people have just used a workaround where you have to pour olive oil into cooler fan at the 4th night of Friday in February in a 5-way intersection. For that incantation to work, one has to have released a FOSS project in the previous night at the same exact location. Also, this ritual is a little bit different for each possible distribution and the version of distribution of Linux.

>Why Linux has such a low market share?
I wonder why.

>>61205379
It requires a minimum of 2 gray cells and that's simply too much to expect from this species

>Okay dad I think the file is in the desktop
>But how do I open the desktop anon?
10 years using the computer and counting

>>61205379
because most of linux users are faggots like >>61205405 or >>61205555
and will blame it on the people and not on the operating system

>>61205379
Because nogames

>>61205379
Nobody is interested in fighting their OS for the simplest of things. Android has proved that a streamlined easy to use Linux OS is plenty fine for people but Linux devs insist on terrible GUI's, terminal use for quite literally everything useful, and a distaste for modern input methods.

>>61205379
Because most of the people cant spend 4 hours at day making work that program on Wine, of finding the package that doesn't allow you to install something or dealing with aspies in [insert one of the millionth loonix distros] forums.

Why posts are written like this?
Boils my piss every damn time I see it.

Because it has no commercial, industry standard software and the alternatives are varying levels of shit and compromises. Things people use on a daily basis aren't there and the ecosystem in general is weak. Even even better alternatives do exist on Linux, they're often locked behind several layers of elitist neckbeard bullshit that normal people don't want to put up with.

This is on top of the things already mentioned. I used to be an idealist and try to get everyone to use Linux as well, but it's just not going to happen unless things change in a major way and that's not what the Linux community wants so it won't happen. That's fine in the end though, different strokes for different folks and such.

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>>61205573
>it's totally not my fault i have an attention span of a goldfish, the whole world should cater to my african-tier intellectual potential!

>>61205573
I think Linux was meant as a free alternative to commercial Unixes and was designed mainly to accomplish that goal, taking user-friendliness aside. In the 00s graphical installers and GUIs changed the game for the better, yet the terminal driven core still appears to be too difficult to operate and fairly unstable. Therefore the system is accessible and maintainable for real enthusiasts and nerds who have nothing else to do.

>61205534
(You)
>>61205379
Jewish schemes and marketing.

Cuz the pc is shipped with windows, why should normis change

>>61205734
>Hurr durr why is not everyone a 25 year old virgin with autism that spend all his days in home with mummy trying diferent loonix distros and making them work?

>>61205734
>BAHHHH WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE USE MY SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE UNIX CLONE
>BAHHHH EVERYONE IS DUMB EXCEPT ME
meanwhile the rest of the world is being productive on software that works without having to open a terminal

>>61205770
>hurr durr everyone who does not agree with my worldview must be a virgin basement dweller

>>61205379
Because it doesn't fulfill their requirements. Specifically, it's hard to use and has poor software support.

>>61205534
kek

Another day on /g/, another day of spillover from /v/ blaming their ineptitude with anything other than Windows on the OS.

It's kind of funny seeing so many of these supposedly really "technically adept" types go all apeshit over people using Linux or OSX. My experience is that it's usually just their ego telling them that "No, you can't be bad at something relating to computers, so it has to be something other than you" to avoid having to admit that they only know how to use Windows.

Personally I dumped Windows for OSX around 2007 and after a lot of tinkering with UNIX stuff in OSX all my desktops have since then run Linux (while my laptops run OSX). At this point Windows has to me become "That OS the clueless, kids who want to play games and those who have to use some really obscure tools only available on Windows". Pretty much all the software I run into, even the obscure stuff like AVR Studio, Matlab, Quartus II, etc., run on ether Linux or OSX.

You're like watching children bickering in a sandbox

>>61205405
>because they're dumb and ignorant
Wrong.

They'd be dumb if they decided to use an OS that doesn't work for them.

Linux doesn't work for them.

They use Windows because it is the best OS for their needs. That is the opposite of being "illiterate". It's being smart.

>>61205379
>What are webserver
>What are databases
>What is android

Linux is all around. Not having a lot of desktop machines isn't that relevant as the desktop environment itself is shrinking.

Why should they use Linux instead of Windows?

regular users don't change their os and use the one provided

>>61205821
And you're the kid who is 1 year older than rest and thinks that makes him an adult.

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>>61205826
>What are webserver?
Front-end machines that don't do any real thinking. And yet, Linux only owns a third of that market. Windows owns another third, so they're equal there.

The back-ends are always Windows though.

>What are supercomputers?
Glorified calculators.

>What is android?
Angry Birds OS. No real work is done on it.

Try walking into any enterprise environment any day.

>>61205534
Made me lol but actually a good point. I use both tho and depending on the project I might be more productive on one OS over the other. For example fuck networking on Windows, but I'll do most my front end developer there.

>>61205861
Som Universitys are using Linux on there desktops so they dont run it in an enterprise environment?!
>kek

>>61205534
Fuck why it's true

>>61205885
That's cool, but the smashing majority isn't. I have a B. Sc. in Computer Science and a Master's in IT, and I have never seen a single Linux machine in both the colleges I attended.

>>61205379
Low market share because you actually have to be techy to use it. Even noob distros. I teach raspberry pi to kids 10-15, and they literally cannot do anything unless it's point and click.

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>>61205379
>Why nobody uses Linux besides developers and hobbists?
Infrastructure use is one of the few things the OS is good at since it has a networking stack built right into the kernel.

As far as desktop usage goes? It still struggles with issues that Microsoft solved with Windows 95. There is absolutely no reason to be having shitflinging fights over basic UI stuff like windows managers past the 90's.

>>61205861
I will not resort to market share cause I'm too lazy to find, but a huge deal of web being served, especially smaller like WordPress are almost exclusively host on Linux.
Linux is the choice os for Oracle.
VMware for server vms almost all times run on top of Linux.
Java back end run on Linux.
Microsoft ported net officially to Linux.

I know it's a bait, or you are really idiot.

>>61205915
https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/education

>>61205915
>and I have never seen a single Linux machine in both the colleges I attended.
Such is life in the third world I guess.
I'm a med student (currently doing 2nd degree) universities and vast majority of computers from public library machines through hospital/ambulance terminals to CT scanners run Linux or some form of Unix (AIX seems to be a popular choice for anything not made by GE)

>>61205928
>one third
>huge deal
Sounds like you just don't know what you're talking about, but okay.

>especially smaller like WordPress are almost exclusively host on Linux
That's precisely my point. The only reason Linux has a relevant marketshare in the web server industry is due to a million small blogs running PHP and WordPress.

>Linux is the choice os for Oracle.
[citation needed]

>VMware for server vms almost all times run on top of Linux.
Awesome, but Microsoft Virtual Server and Citrix CloudStack are almost always run on top of Windows.

>Java back end run on Linux.
Java = Pajeet

>Microsoft ported net officially to Linux.
... so?

>I know it's a bait, or you are really idiot.
Oh the irony...

>>61205379
Linux is slowly becoming botnet by appealing to major corporations.

Our only hope now lies in GNU-Hurd

Fragmentation and lack of software support

>>61205405
Because most Linux users are smug assholes like this guy, that's why.

>>61205989
>GNU-Hurd
I wished a nigga could.

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>>61205977
>Such is life in the third world I guess.
Ironic, since the third world is known for shit like pic related, while the first world is known for systematically replacing Linux deployments with Windows (like Munich).

>>61205848
Try selling computers with Linux installed and you'll find that's DEFINITELY not the case.

>>61205920
One of the really strong points in a close source monolithic ide like windows is that they just hold on and say it's our product. It's not pick your ide of choosing, it's the same and programs made 10 years agora work on any windows ide.
Users and companies will not keep changing ides. Even wth windows shortcomings, ppl stick with it because it's almost the same.
Also office. Office is so strong especially in corporations that it's required on Mac.
Bet if there was an office for Linux a lot would change, corporate wise, with limited distros.

>>61206026
>systematically replacing Linux deployments with Windows (like Munich).
you spelled "getting bought by microsoft" wrong.

>>61206026
It was ridiculous in munic, there was no objective reason behind it.

>>61205534
Its funny because its true
Saved

>>61205981
Citrix is cancer. Windows vm even worse

>>61206053
>i-it's unfair!
Linux is free to buy competitors out too. Even if Microsoft did do it, she didn't do anything wrong or that Linux can't do also.

>>61206060
>>61206072
Sure thing, random anonymous dudes on a Tibetan titanium-welding Internet imageboard.

>>61206026
>Ironic, since the third world is known for shit like pic related
The third world is best known for getting an entire country to a halt because of Windows malware.
There's a reason why the "meme" Windows user is a swarthy Hindu.

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>>61206121
The third world is best known for getting an entire country to a halt because of forced Linux-usage due to socialist government regulations that end up having to be undone, lad.

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>>61205379
Why don't you start a marketing campaign if you care so much about market share? Nobody's stopping you from doing it.

>>61206247
Good goy
Have a shekel

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>>61206247
And as a proof of your world you post an article telling a tale of a a corrupt and inept government (look at the recent Brazilian meat export scandal) throwing out taxpayer's money because a few dozen government officials took bribes from Microsoft.

You really haven't thought this through did you?

>>61205379
Karlie Kloss uses Linux.

>>61206321
This. Reminder that the current government is illegitimate and was imposed by a coup. Dilma and the Worker's Party did nothing wrong!

>>61205379
>The Year is 3754
>GTK file picker still doesn't have a thumbnail view
this and things like this are why linux desktops are a trash fire for normie use

>>61206321
>look at the recent Brazilian meat export scandal
It had been happening for ages and was only uncovered in the current government. So... was that supposed to be an argument against the current government or for it? Sounds like Temer is doing a great job at fighting corruption.

>throwing out taxpayer's money
They were throwing tax dollars out before by using inefficient open sores software.

>bribes from Microsoft
[citation needed]

>>61206385
>doing a great job of fighting corruption
Are you Temer himself or
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/world/americas/brazil-temer-corruption-charge-joesley-batista.html

>>61206438
>link to an article about corruption being fought
???
Your point?

Also, I only see the word "charged" there. I don't see the word "convicted". Unlike his predecessor, they've proved nothing against him thus far.

>>61206438

Sure, he might be corrupt, but at least he isn't a commie like Lula and Dilma.

>>61206549
>he might be a literal kleptocrat, but at least he's not reducing poverty
bon meme

>>61206592
>communism
>reducing poverty
Into the helicopter with you.

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>>61206640
Ahem...

>>61206640
>Pinoshit
>improving the economy
I got bad news for you buddy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_of_Chile_(1973%E2%80%9390)#Social_consequences

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>>61205379
True but consider the following:
- Microsoft has deals with hardware companies, so most laptop and desktop computers comes bundled with their products.
- Most people uses whatever comes bundled with the hardware and i can bet a lot of them doesn't even know what is an operative system and that you can choose it. If the brand "Windows" were related to quality then WP would be the most used mobile operative system because the demand would be high.
- Microsoft has deals with schools, so people is trained from a young age to use microsoft products. For a lot of them it's a question of being a comfort zone, not even about the difficulty. I can say this because in my own experience most windows users never solve their own problems, they ask other people to solve their problems.
- Microsoft has a huge lock-in with their formats and APIs. Independently on if we can consider they products are good or bad, the fact is that they use anti-competitive measures to lock their users and developers. For example their document formats doesn't honors the "ISO standard" they supposedly issued. If they care about interoperability with competing solutions they would use the well documented version of their format. But no, they uses their dominant position to push a version of the format only they know exactly how it works (interestingly and despite this, i have gotten problems even with different versions of MSO). Most of the documents in this format are created with MSO and most people doesn't even knows about the strict version of the format, this makes their format a moving target for competitors at best. Their development tools is another good example if a lock-in, they only care about compatibility on markets where they're losing like server or mobile.

>>61206385
>They were throwing tax dollars out before by using inefficient open sores software.
Yes, chosing to stimulate an underdeveloped sector of your national industry over sucking cocks of foreign megacorporations truly sounds like a waste of money.

>>61206688
>Most people uses whatever comes bundled with the hardware
False. Most computers that come with Linux end up getting their OS replaced with Windows.

>>61206659
Wow, maybe that's why Cubans are risking fleeing to America on fragile rafts over dangerous waters on a daily basis!

>>61206684
Except Chile is now the only developed country in Latin America. Stay mad.

>>61206695
>le gorporations are evil meem
Why are all freetards commies?

Because there is some sort of general belief that linux is hard and that you have to be a computer scientist to understand it and even then it won't be as useful as Windows.

I got into Linux mainly for two reasons:
>I wanted to stop partaking in piracy
>I wanted to learn programming and start developing stuff

Well, I am succedding considerably well in both of these areas, I think. Not as much as I would like, but not badly enough to believe that I am a disaster.

>>61206698
There's not a lot of computers being bundled with linux in the first place and overthrowing the familiarity is even harder and needs a lot of marketing that not even microsoft with all their money have managed to do regarding android. It's not black and white as you're implying.

>>61206730
>le corporations are poeple too meem
why are all capitalists such flaunting bootlickers?
>yes mr. sheckelstein fuck me harder I still have place left for your marketing department

>>61206730
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Majority_(Chile)
Yep under the leadership of socialists Chile is going through an economic golden age

>>61206746
>muh familiarity fallacy
Windows and Office have both undergone major UI changes over the years that have completely compromised user familiarity and they still survived and remained on top. You build fallacious arguments on top of fallacious arguments.

>>61206778
>>61206766
Guys, please stop getting baited by /pol/ shitposters.

>>61206803

This. /g/ is a socialist board. No one here but shills actually defends capitalism.

>>61205379
>Why Linux has such a low market share?
Because capitalism rewards excellence.

>>61205379
>>61205379
Simple: Because it doens't "just work" and a lot of popular software (including but not limited to games) isn't available for linux. Also most people don't give a fuck about security and privacy.

>>61206836
And this is why planned obsolescence kings over the consumer market.

Really made me think. No wonder capitalists are so excited about capitalism if their idea of excellence hold to such low standard

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>>61206684
i wasn't expecting so much /pol/ content here

>>61206922
Tbh they're even kinda slow today, we've had an /fglt/ thread ruined by them not too long ago:
https://rbt.asia/g/thread/61085554/

>>61205379
These "regular users" are basically all brain dead and can only do what is thought to them.

Linux will never catch on if it's not the OS that is the default one.

>>61206803
>>61206814

take your bait somewhere else

>>61205379
Because people are normalfags and they want something simple to use that doesn't involve a command line, and for it to actually work.

>>61205534
kek learn to linux

>not 1-clic install
actually it's 1clic install and keeps these programs up-to-date.
If you are that retard you go gentoo in your irst time linux it's not fault of the os

>muh development
>muh crashes
holy fuck it just werks in my machines. Buy another are you a poorfag?
Im full time developer and its 100 perfect more confy to develop on linux.

99% percent people are ready to go with some normie distro as ubuntu. they have a fucking gui for install nonfree drivers are you kidding me?

>>61207561
>it just werks
what "werks"? Your notepad? Your console terminal?

>>61205826
>What is android
a thing that has absolutely nothing to do with linux on desktops

>>61205379
Because when things go bad, if you don't know how to use a search engine you are fucked.
If you don't want things to randomly go bad on their own, you have to use something old. If you want something new, it's going to randomly break whenever it feels like. Also lack of industry standard software, doesn't come default, also PulseAudio and xserver keep shitting things up.

>>61205534
Hahahahaha

>>61205793
>Hurr durr everyone who doesn't use my personal choice of OS is dumb and I don't care what anyone says im not being ignorant at all

>>61205405
You aren't any better.

Because Windows just works. Windows will even automatically find and install your video drivers for you. Why would people go out of their way to use an objectively more maintenance-intensive OS when they gain nothing from it? (When I say "nothing" I'm taling about things regular users care about. inb4 "NSA Spying").

>>61205379
Because people are retarded.

>>61209383
You sound frustrated.

>why do only hobbyists use a hobbyist os
gee i dunno

>>61210426
Yeah, nevermind the fact that 100% of workstations in the world run Windows and Office.

Only browse /g/ when on the shitter as my app auto opens the board but I'm an average user and I use Debian for a lot off stuff, no means have a power computer only 2.8ghz i7, 16gb ram but I find that Unix is way fucking smoother than windows for a multiple of tasks including Web browsing..

>>61205861
Remember that market share graphs maybe a bit misleading since a lot of the distributions do not by default do any telemetry or sales, so getting a precise number of running instances is really hard.

>>61207299
Fuck off.

I run a music box with Linux. Never be able to have this functionality, efficiency and stability with a windows box. Not with what I do with it.

But there's a whack of other things I'd rather do in windows.

Every OS has its place.

God these threads are worse than copy pasta.

>>61205379
I have yet to meet someone in real life who dislikes Mint as an OS. Closest they come is wishing that some program that works in Windows would work in Mint.

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>>61205379
>Why nobody uses Linux besides developers and hobbists?
>Why Linux has such a low market share?
https://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3516317
https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/operating_system/all
https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-unix/all/all
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/Red-Hat-bolsters-Linux-for-mainframes-tries-to-catch-Novell
https://www.top500.org/statistics/overtime/
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile+tablet-os-ww-monthly-201611-201611-bar

>>61205379
>all of Microsoft's cloud servers are unix

Pfft

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>>61205379
No hardware. Windows comes pre-installed on most computers, Linux does not.

>>61206782
Changes have been gradual, and when drastic changes are done they are received negatively. So you have users that still use Windows XP or Windows 7.

Also
>not knowing the meaning of fallacy
There is no fallacy in those posts, they are valid arguments. They may be wrong, but in themselves they are perfectly valid arguments.

>>61212252
>Logical fallacies
>Valid arguments
You don't know what you're talking about. Not even him by the way.
>Logical fallaciesare errors in reasoning that invalidate the argument. McMullin (2000), a clinical psychologist, explains that: "Logical fallacies are unsubstantiated assertions that are often delivered with a conviction that makes them sound as though they are proven facts".

If you don't have computers as a hobby or have a professional reason to use Linux then no one wants to do all the shit just to get it to work.

Even with the most fool proof shit like Ubuntu you usually have to spend quite a bit of time on different problems and read a bunch of shit about things you've never even heard about before.
When you already know Linux you might not notice it because it's too easy but the first time it will never just work easily.
It's never like you just download it, put it on a drive, install it, install some stuff you'd use and then just use it without a ton of obstacles in the way.
Some of the issues might have really simple answers if you know what to look for, others will have very simple answers but only for something that's almost what you're looking for and nothing that's exactly what you need.

>>61211987
/thread

>>61205379
A better question to ask is why is OS X more popular?

>>61211987
The trend I'm noticing is "[company] comes around and turns *nix into their own product, it gains a massive amount of marketshare".

>>61212286
>clinical psychology
Nice, but I'd rather believe people that dedicate themselves to the study of logic itself, and avoid using precise terms broadly.

People don't use linux because they have no use for linux. If your grandma had something to do that she needed linux to do, she would use it.

>>61212466
Aren't Chromebooks Linux-based? I know plenty of old people who use it because its simple and wont get viruses.

>>61212484
Well yeah, so are Android phones.

Why English syntax and grammar so gard?

>>61205379
Can some one explain the advantage of linux vs windows?

You guys make it seem like it's as big a difference as Apple vs android (can't access the file system =unusable).

What equivalent feature does linux offer that I am ignorant about?

I am sure it gives more customization, but I would like some specifics before I can be assed to learn a new operating system.

>>61212573
It's basically just more convenient for programming, and people are used to it.

Linux is like industrial grade equipment

does the job better in that environment and made to last but no point to use it at home

>>61212573
Linux is open, you can see it internally and collaborate to the public project.
Windows is something nobody can tinker with, Microsoft is known for shitting all over progress by going against the standards for money.

>>61212685
that's ideology, not a use case

>>61205379
>OEMs

>OEMs

>OEMs

>>61205788
>software that works without having to open a terminal
why is that a good thing, again?

>>61212720
A less retarded way of rephrasing his answer would be "you can customize it for your use case down to the source level", which is why you can run it on a Nintendo DS and your smartphone. Windows is less open by nature, since it was made to be a desktop OS first and foremost, and that's all Microsoft really cares about.

>>61212573
Well I use ubuntustudio, so the main advantage for me is low latency audio recording/playback. Plus more privacy and faster boot times. On my laptop, it no longer crashes, gets hot and loud, or steals my browsing history for ads, unlike in windows 8/10.

>>61212768
You'd probably have to switch to Windows/macOS if you wanted to use a DAW, though.

>>61205589
>terminal use for quite literally everything useful
the average normie user could install and use ubuntu for years without having to enter the command line. you don't need terminal to browse facebook.

>>61205624
I'd guess that he's mocking the army of pajeet microsoft shills who constantly post these horrible threads.

>>61212756
Most people don't have the programming skills to do this (inb4 some autist acts like this is a bad thing or people are retarded for not inherently knowing code)

If Average Joe need a desktop OS, why should he consider Linux? That's the question at the heart of this thread

>>61212783
>help, Chrome won't install
>Google the error
>"well here's what you do, first you open the terminal and paste this command in.."

>>61212797
Well he shouldn't, it's trash for universal desktop usage.

>>61212781
Nope, ardour comes preinstalled

>>61212894
Sorry, I meant a real DAW.

>>61212913
How is ardour not 'a real DAW'?

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>>61205379
Beats me, man. I switched from windows to linux a long time ago, never looked back

>just werkz
>stable af
>updates are painless (compared to the hours that windows update took to install a couple things)
>drivers included in kernel, no shitty non-compliant manufacturer garbage
>fast
>customizable
>easy to extend
>has a plethora of 21st century filesystems, making your disk seem faster than it actually is

>>61212367
The more the better.

>>61212428
Logical fallacies aren't that complex. You are either willing to accept you're wrong, not willing to accept you're wrong and the third possibility is the Dunning-Kruger effect.

>>61212797
It's not about Joe knowing shit about code.
It's about others sharing Joe's needs implementing that shit for him.

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>>61207561
>they have a fucking gui for install nonfree drivers are you kidding me?
lel

>install my drivers
>try to use one of the FOSS programs for doing my thing
>turns out I have to compile this tool from source
>turns out it is written in Samoyedic and a little in Udmurdic
>looking through compiling instruction tells me that I can find the compiler in the northernmost island of Krasnoyarsk Krai
>suprise, suprise, it also needs to be compiled from source
>also it needs a strange windows executable to work - its origin or purpose unknown
>compile the compiler
>use the compiler to compile the tool's source code
>"Evil Spirits :: Error"
>search for the error
>turns out that the compiler refuses to compile if there are any corporate spirits in the vicinity
>solution is to smear oneself in chicken poo
>one then has to crawl a full circle around the building one is in - if the buildings are a cityblock, then you crawl around the block
>this will drive away all the supernatural corporate spirits and entities and the poop smear that is surrounding the building prevents them from getting back in
>however, there is a "however" below the solution
>this chicken poop process has to be repeated every time you want to run the tool since the tool automatically deletes itself after you hit quit
>so have a barrel of poop at hand or never turn the program off

>finally I can start working

sure was worth it

Lack of professional software like Photoshop, FL Studio, Ableton etc.
GIMP should fix it's clunky GUI by implementing iconic panels (i.e. putting selection tools in one panel).
FL Studio is more advanced than LMMS and updates every 6 months, while the span between two official LMMS updates is 3 fucking years. People claim that Ardour is free, but it isn’t: it’s behind a paywall.
Also, games.

>inb4 boring smartasses bashing other people just because they are play games

>>61212591
So that's basically it? I am aware that Windows is a hellhole to set up your development environment but it works pretty fine once you're done fiddling with it?

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>>61213542
It's not so much about setting up your dev environment as opposed to it coming with the OS by default (and Windows not using UNIX/POSIX conventions), it's more that everything is written with Linux in mind and optimized for it. There are tons of projects on Github where the readme file basically reads "Here's how to compile it on Linux and uh, I guess it might work in Windows if you change a couple things rewrite half of the program, I don't know".

The same is ironically also true WITHIN the Linux world itself due to how fragmented it is, whenever you see something high profile getting ported, the way it usually works is "install it on Ubuntu or get fucked".

>>61206026
Because most german institutions dont know what they are doing.
Our secret service still has to let coming a nsa worker to update their Xkeyscore system.
From 04 until something around 10 german politicians thought ego shooter are the reason why young germans shoot up their schools.
The german society is cnn tier, they dont care as long as they can have their facebook,bild.de,football and smartphone.

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as an old guy I'm amused by all you teenagers on /g/ patting yourselves on the back for being "smart enough" to install Linux in 2017. You can literally pull up a youtube video on your cell phone that tells you exactly what to type to install Arch + whatever DE you want.

I was using computers before Commander Keen came out. Everything today is easy to use. You call Windows users retarded but probably 90 percent of you started using Ubuntu or whatever because you were too stupid to use Windows and ruined your installation with viruses. 9 percent of you still use windows but "dual boot" and use your artsy little themes to "express yourself"

fuck ya'll

>>61206026
You have at least two use cases: 1) Linux is popular in the third world because it's free, but those miserable retards can't install/maintain/understand it properly and it all amounts to the same third world shit: trying everything, succeeding at nothing because the are subhumans. And 2) utilities and providers with educated and capable professionals use it everywhere. Linux runs a lot of infrastructure in Europe, along with other special-purpose OSes. So linux is popular with idiots (for a short time) and with smart people (for safe, dependable, long-term use), for entirely different reasons.

I like Windows and Linux. I would probably like Mac OS too, haven't used one for more than 30 minutes since the mid 2000's. there is a lot of autistic nitpicking on the OS'es on /g/. Obviously Windows shit the bed at 8, but I think 10 is actually a great improvement. You guys know the glory days of desktop computing are pretty much behind us... you young ones are sort of playing out the 90's "mac vs pc" thing like a game of cowboys and indians. Probably half of you on fucking phones. Microsoft printed their money back in the 90's and has to get in the ad business to keep it up. Apple doesn't give a fuck about macbooks or mac pros... they are a phone company. Linux is great, but it is not a platform that enterprising people are going out of their way to develop for because their market share is basically nonexistent.

>>61214159
I agree with you mostly but Linux and related *nix OSes run the world. It's not consumer market share we are talking about, but infrastructure. You ATM might run some antiquated windows, but it communicates with another computer running *nix, same with airlines, ISPs, trains, everything. Windows never made it into the server room, and they have tried, so much, and always failed. Still remember the London stock exchange fiasco, and many others.

Linux is good at software that has its roots in CS and whose requirements change slowly: databases, networking, control, queuing, security, dependability, etc. For the fad of the week, of course, see windows/android/ios, they pursue different markets. Consumer crap, low quality.

I was always perplexed by the people trying to bring "the desktop" to Linux. I have a feel that they never understood anything about what they were trying to do. Like "I have the power of pretty truetype fonts on my computer, I'll write a novel". Dafuck?

>>61205379
Microsoft Office + Outlook + Active Directory

This the unholy proprietary triangle which nearly every major company and organization can't live without. To use them, they make the entire user ecosystem Windows-based. Thus, people get used to Windows so much that they don;t know anything else but macs, yet macs are too expensive and useless for their needs.

People become dependent on Windows, major programs and games are released only for Windows, which makes Windows even more dominant. In schools they teach children to use Windows. In academia they require essays written with MS Office.

Outside the US macbooks aren't that popular due to their high price.

Linux is being used only on servers and embedded devices. The average joe don't even know it exists.

>>61207561
You just prove yourself a retard and still is able to use linux then it makes you even more retard since you say retards cant use linux but you do, what a paradox.

>>61212783
>the average normie user could install and use ubuntu for years without having to enter the command line.
Please.
Adding or customising anything substantially, even on Ubuntu, means popping up that thing.
The app stores are slow and lack a lot of the programs.
Unless you want purely web stuff and libreoffice, which i can do even on some old symbian nokia.

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>>61205379
>no software (photoshop, solidworks.. etc)
>no games
>shitty drivers
>everything constantly breaks
>spend most of the time fixing shit that should have been fixed years ago
>as secure as window
>devs are anime watching neckbeard permavirgin
>most distros have a shitty logo
>terrible UI
>simple things like disabling mouse acceleration requires using the terminal
>loonix community is cancer
>supports less hardware that windows
>can't sli/crossfire
>if you have a laptop you batter time will decrease with linux

I could go on but those are the main reason Loonix is shet

The number one reason by far is because Linux doesn't support games

If you install Windows it just works if you install Linux you have to spend hours upon hours by configuring it and fixing it so it works the way I want that's the main problem

>>61214761
It's the other way around, anon. The games don't support Linux.

>>61206659
Cuban healthcare is a slaughterhouse for the common people. Cuba as capitalist country could do that too without being a fucking police state.

>>61214745
It's amazing how all/most of that used to be true years ago but isnt anymore.

>>61205379
How many fucking times is this asinine question going to get asked?

>>61213891
This is so fucking true it hurts

>>61205534
based windows poster

I'm seriously reconsidering going Linux but I don't want to drop my gaymes that I play from time to time especially since I already have good hardware.

From what I know only seemingly painless passthrough workaround requires from you two separate GPUs so that's out of question for me.

>>61214745
>>61211987

>>61205379
Because normies get scared because if they hear linux they usually associate it with programmers and other wackos who dont fit in their societal circle

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>>61214745
>not linux' fault
>wrong x3
>wrong, windows security is still shit with defender executing random malware
>wrong x5
Don't know about that, haven't tried it yet
>wrong
It's like you don't even used Linux on the desktop and are just shilling. A-are you really a shill, anon?

>>61215203
>what is dualbooting for supporting the legacy windows applications
>what is wine

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>>61215282
The idea of constantly having to switch between OS is just annoying
Wine is garbage and you know it.

>>61215282
>>what is dualbooting
Something horrendously inconvenient and cumbersome.

>>61215297
Well I don't know about you gaming needs, but I've only time for overwatch and cs:go, sometimes keep talking and nobody explodes. csgo runs natively, keep talking through winesteam and overwatch on the windows partition I keep only for that one game. Overwatch runs on wine, too, but my hardware is not good enough to compensate the performance loss. This setup works for me™

But then again, I'm working in a full-time job and don't have much time for this shit

>>61205405
Installing a normie distro like mint/ubuntu/fedora is easier than installing windows. Literally no previous knowledge required.

>>61212743
you mean software that you don't have to use the terminal for? isn't it awesome!? especially when it crashes and you have no fucking idea what the error message could be! I love mysteries!

>>61205534
If you have GNU on a machine and are struggling with something, I would be happy to try to help you or at least give advice. In my experience a lot of tricky stuff is easiest on Arch, partially because of how stable most things tend to be, but also because the AUR has a lot of obscure things that may be tricky to install, for example something that says on the website that only Debian/Ubuntu is supported and then supplies you with a deb file.

You can't go wrong with most distros, but as a beginner it can be nice to have an easy way out sometimes like you get with the AUR. I recently put Void on a machine and realized how lazy I've become from it, so be careful of that. Termite wasn't in the repos, and rather than compiling it, I installed another terminal emulator (terminator) and spent hours complaining about the config file being less friendly.

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>>61212913
>a real daw
Renoise master race. Also, runs on linux.

>>61206329
We need to invite her to join our startup.

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>>61206738
>move to free software
>still torrenting movies/music/books
Somebody stop me.

>>61213957
>arch
>hard to install
Nice b8

>>61212990
being mistaken is not a fallacy. If there's no error in reasoning then there's no fallacy. This is Phil 101.

>>61205379
It has no reason to be, you sound like a fag who still doesn't know what it is, but is enamoured by all the shilling it gets from /g/

>>61215930
I don't know what you two were even arguing about and it's not like it even matters, given that he didn't respond.

Why is it that a lot of you faggots that calling linux users "elitists" for stating the simple fact that people are retarded, seem to be under the impression we care about marketshare and normalfag-friendliness in the first place? If a normalfag wants to use linux, then more power to them, so long as linux doesn't get dumbed down just to cater to them.

>>61215930
A word of advice, you can safely disregard what anybody says if they start quoting Latin terms and fallacy definitions at you instead of addressing the fucking point.

>>61212295
I agree with this sentiment, but I've found the same is true in windows. Regular users run into problems they can't solve in windows all the time.

I have my entire family on Linux and I've found that Ubuntu is generally perfectly fine if you're just using it for email, Facebook, browsing etc.

However, you do run into obscure problems in Linux as a result of it being so fragmented in terms of development.
For example, every time my parents power off the printer, it gets disabled in CUPS. This is an intentional behavior and the only way I've found around it is writing a udev rule that detects the printer when it's turned on and runs a bash script to cupsenable it.

As much as I love Linux, basic stuff like this is why we'll never have year of the Linux desktop.

>>61213957
>as an old guy
lmaooo

>>61205379
drivers

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ban linux and open source now it's a security threat and it's communism.

>>61205379
People will use the first thing they put in front of them. If it works, it's settled.

>>61215433
Not installing a distro is easier than installing a distro, and most consumer PCs come with windows preinstalled.

>>61205379
Because the perks of using it come with having prowess with the command line. Theres no advantage in using such a system for the average person who is coming home and using a computer mainly for facebook, youtube, or simple banking after a long day at work. The average person just wants to point and click and be done with things. They wont want to bother learning bash unless they like programming as a hobby or they are just too cheap to buy Windows/Mac. On that note, it doesn't help that most stores dont sell laptops with Linux installed, but it makes sense why they wouldn't given that the free software means they cant charge as much, and repairs would become a nightmare for Best Buy or Walmart tech support when it comes to dealing with normal users running into problems across the several dozen distros. Streamlining it down to only two choices helps make that less time expensive for workers on the business end.

>>61205379
Becuase the motto of the linux user is "laugh in the face of danger".
-Linux Torvalds

>>61205534
Installing software on Linux is far easier and safer than Windows. That's the main thing it has going for it in appealing to normies.

Simply put; linux isn't that much better than windows when it comes to every day use

>>61217718
>>61211987

>>61205379
Computer pleb here. Know very little about anything to do with my PC, but I followed installgentoos advice and bought an old thinkpad t420 and installed Linux Mint 18. Everything works so easily and the few times I do have to use the console I just follow step by step the guides that have been posted online. Everything is customisible and it's taught me how to properly value privacy online. Will never go back to windows with the one exception of gaming, which there is no real way around.

If you have a basic level of common sense with technology then Linux Mint/Ubuntu/the other basic distros should not present any problems. Mint has been the best computing experience I've ever had, and I'm thinking of starting to experiment with some more advanced distros.

>>61205379
>be me using linux and windows parallely whole of the high school
>using Linux exclusively through whole uni
>start working get my first android phone
>realize using linux-based OS doesn't need to be torture
>go back to winblows for PC tasks, use android for daily bullshit

Unless you're not completely stuck in the autismo bubble after some time you realize that you're sick of fucking with your OS more than doing something useful or enjoyable.

Just embrace the fucking botnet, tweak it to make it smoother and enjoy life more ... If you're still so repulsive to everyone and everything then KYS isn't a bad option.

I stopped using Linux 15 years ago because it made me "mount" (whatever this meant) my other hard drives and type in a password each time. What kind of bullshit is that. Then the documents that told me what to do to make it so I didn't have to do this were outdated and didn't work. Also It didn't support mp3s and some video formats and I couldn't be bothered to figure out how to make it to. Linux is not efficient.

>>61212137
open pepe when

>>61205379
1 simple answer:

Because most people are lazy retards.

GNU/Linux was written by programmers
+ hackers with normal people's needs as
an afterthought. Windows was done the
exact opposite way AND SUCKS SO FUCKING
HARD IN EVERY WAY FOR ANYONE WHO
KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. FUCK YOU
MICROSOFT. I'VE HATED YOU SINCE DOS 3.1!

>>61222395
>FUCK YOU
>MICROSOFT. I'VE HATED YOU SINCE DOS 3.1!
Seek help. Your capslock key is stuck.

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>>61205379
this pic is cursed

posting blessed stallmans

>>61205405
I setup gOS for an old lady who knows nothing about computers. This was a Linux box CompUSA sold. Still get a call every now and then when she drags an icon off the menu bar, but that's the worst. Used to get calls all the time saying Windows had a virus, or things didn't work, now it's a simple "click the blue box with arrows, and read me the numbers" (teamviewer) then I add the icon.

She could barely open a browser on Windows, so she couldn't add an icon the either.

Yes I lose money, but I don't feel right charging her for little nothing issues.

>>61212137
Have that pepe in vector format?