why are you using an outdated UI g?

>>61185065
why would i want to change the look & layout of 4chan?

You mean some of the most popular websites are designed for mouse and keyboard instead of sausage fingers?
Who'd a thunk it?

Because in some cases it's better to be functional instead of some art-project. Very pretty sites usually have in common that usability and speed takes the back-seat.

> Abhimanyu Ghoshal
Wow, why am I not surprised?

>t. mactoddler

Content > design you fucking faggot

The fuck who thinks Wikipedia looks bad?

>>61185131
remove pajeets from tech

Function > form

Design is the scam of the century
I loathe reddit with a passion but it does in fact provide lot of content in a decent page layout, but then it fail horribly in the comments section

I manage a couple of sites myself, once I was asked to design a 4 redundant page portal to feature one (1) picture, a address and three telephone numbers

I like 4chan, CL, and Wiki's design though.

Reddit is fucking cancer tier though.

>>61185160
>Design is the scam of the century
Word. In all of tech.

Designer fashion phones.
Designer fashion laptops.
Both sacrifing practicality more and more

>>61185065
Source?

Also: it is my understanding that 4chan looks the way it does because it imitates a classic weab design of something like 2chan.

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when is 4chan going to get with the times and include a hamburger menu button?

"Chickenshit minimalism: The illusion of simplicity backed by megabytes of cruft."

>>61185065

>i need to bloat up my webpage because muh modern design philosphies
>abhimanyu ghoshal

he's probably a frontend webshitter who thinks using the latest tech to use the latest tech is a smart thing to do.

>>61185065
https://thenextweb.com/dd/2017/06/29/why-are-some-of-the-ugliest-sites-on-the-web-also-the-most-popular/

>>61185186

they have a mobile version, so thats a start

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>>61185065
Form follows function

all the other bullshits or cancer is not necessary

>>61185186
It actually has one on mobile, one for each post.

>doesn't mention twitter and google

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functionality over looks any day family

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Nice meme OP!

April Fools 2016 showed what 4chan would look like with material design. It was unironic in terms of design.

It looked like garbage, and everyone disliked it.

The UI here, and on HN, and on Wikipedia & Reddit are all perfect for what they do.

>>61185193

http://abhimanyughoshal.com/

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>by Abhimanyu Ghoshal

>>61185134
Mac excels in both content and design compared to Windows 10

>>61185065
To be fair, Reddit-style layouts ARE fucking terrible.

>>61185273
>http://abhimanyughoshal.com/
This website is so... clunky

>>61185273
Jesus Christ, how horrifying.

>>61185065
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

>>61185328

what are you talking about, dont you see how sleek that hamburger menu makes it?

you wouldnt want all that empty px space taken up by just listing those links, would you?

>>61185065
http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

>>61185359
With just a few lines of CSS this would actually really nice

oh wait...
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

>>61185359
>Google analytics

i guess the writer must have opened 4chan never gotten past to understanding replying wtf the numbers in the posts are

>>61185065
I agree, I can never find out how Reddit and Twitter work. It's confusing as fuck.

>>61185065
Triggered
Sites that need JS and css to even load are a pure cancer.

>>61185065
Because
efficiency > looks
Usability > frills
50KB > 5 MB

>>61185229
Here comes a candle to light you to bed

>>61185273
>30+ scripts
everytime

>>61185406
>50KB > 5 MB
50KB < 5MB

not every page on the web needs to be 200mb for displaying text. all the pages they reference have content as primary focus specialy 4chan.

>>61185273
>doesn't load without js

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>>61185273
>http://abhimanyughoshal.com/

>65 requests
>takes 5 seconds to load complete

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>>61185065
4chan fits neither of these points, why exactly is it listed?

>Am I wrong?
>No, the most popular websites in the world are wrong.

>>61185109
>>61185128
>>61185136
>>61185160
>>61185170
This

4chan and Wikipedia are just clean, usable etc. Reddit is an unusable monstrosity both on desktop and mobile. The mobile post form actually lets you post a comment 30 times if your connection is slow and you just press it really often.

>>61185308
lol

>>61185273
Holy shit tip top kek

>That footer button which does nothing except pull up a Twitter button taking up 30% of the screen

>>61185431
Yes and that is better
You can have a 9000Gbps internet connection but it still takes resources to render the webpages

>>61185468
>slow performance
Like pottery
His website is slow as fuck

>>61185400
Agree here though. I never used Twitter but if I go to someone's page it's a mix of their posts, and other people's reactions (but to which posts?) and their reactions to other posts I think. No wonder this company ever made a dime of profit.

Reddit is so bad the only way to use it is using a mobile 3rd party apo

>>61185065
Every website but reddit this pajeet mentioned a great design, socially Wikipedia. Reddit needs a change tho, watching porn on that shit is a nightmare.

i love this because it outlines the problem with modern web design by advocating for it.
stop bloating your fucking websites
just make it usable or convey the information it needs to
stop focusing on javascript memes and Sleek (tm) design choices
seriously the amount of mainstream websites i see that are bloated to all hell with Cool (tm) Sleek (tm) and Modern (tm) Design (tm) Choices (tm) that don't even have proper tls support (either none at all or sha-1) is insane

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>>61185273
Really makes you think

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>>61185577
>go to sign up to a tech job website to get notified of jobs in my area
>mfw they don't even use HTTPS for registration or login (or anything)

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>>61185273
MODERN DESGIN PHILOSOPHY

>>61185065
> 20 years old japanese imageboard design is outdated

No way

>>61185631
I dont get it, these "webdevs" dont actually sit down and write all that HTML do they? How do they actually make the webpages? Does a software do it for them?

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didn't look terrible enough to me so I made it even uglier

They're not terrible, but rather great and informative. The true 'terrible' uis are like facebook or instagram.
Also i wonder how a pretty featureful site like wikipedia is on that list.
IMO perfect UI is http://cat-v.org/

I don't get what people have against text on a page. Javascript is an abomination

>>61185602
>>61185506
Pottery

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A moment of silence for the victims of modern design.

>use noscript, firecookie and ublock
>no ads, no sudde newsletter popups, nothing moves
>don't use any site when it doesn't load
>no google analytics, tracking
>added a couple script exceptions for my banking and work websites

Web devs can go suck a bag of dicks. If they want people to read their websites they can take the time to make a website instead of just plugging content into some 5mb framework.

>>61185667
you use a templating system

obviously they aren't going to be writing that shit every page lmao

>>61185763
To be honest goggles news ran seamlessly with the search results, then they changed it and fucked it up

>>61185065
Anytime i see these I think what they actually mean to say is "we spend all this money on our website but get no clicks why??"

>>61185631
>facebook
>windows
>ms mail
>abp instead of ublock origin
>hasn't disabled the ff botnets like pocket
You need to leave.

>>61185065
Those are the best looking popular sites on the web right now

>>61185789
Google search is also down the shitter. Is there even a decent search engine left?

>>61185753
>noscript
Why not uMatrix?

>ublock
I hope you mean uBlock Origin

>>61185676
What script is that?

>>61185273

WHY THE FUCK DOES IT USE FLASH

>>61185065
Simplicity is more appealing that complexity

>>61185837
>uMatrix
ew

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lmao

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>>61185789

Don't worry, in a few years they'll update the main site too :^)

>>61185065
I unironically think that 4chan has better ux that 99% of internet forums, comment systems, etc.

>>61185206
>>61185199

on that, why teh fuck cant the tomorrow themes be used on mobile?

>>61185912
thats because you think functionality is more important than form. as most of us do, i think.

what car do you drive?

>>61185963

not him, but i drive a prius

>>61185912
Without inline quote links (which are disabled by default) the UX is kinda shitty desu.

>>61185963
shitbox sedan with peeling paint and vacuum leak:^)

>>61185963
Not him but I drive a cdr.

>>61185987
inline quotes are shitty desu

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Yes, they would use a nice UI like this

>>61185128
Reddit is not functional in the slightest

Its just a spider web of confusion

>>61186006
Without inline quotes you're jumping all over a thread when following a specific conversation. With them you can easily follow a conversation and then collapse them or just let them be to get back to where you were in the thread.

>>61185667
The website was designed and hosted in WordPress. Not even surprised.

>>61185475
Third-part Plebbit apps are usually pretty good and are the preferred browsing experience, Relay for example, but their desktop website and first party app are steaming garbage

>>61185763
I swear this gets worse every time they update it.

>>61186033
Mouseover reply links is the superior solution desu.

>>61185880
Whats with this modern need for huge images that take up too much space, or even that ui design not everything needs to be simplistic.

>>61185963
I don't drive, I live in a city with lots of public transport

>>61185987
Even without inline quotes, it's better than most other chans which have no js at all.

>>61186058
That doesn't let you follow a conversation over more than one post and it is enabled even with inline quotes anyway.

>>61185973
>>61186001
>>61186006
>>61186063
See, you each picked the best option for your needs. If you were looking for form over function, you'd have gone for one of the most sold in the country and none of you did. Except maybe you with the prius, although i dont know you, it might have been genuinely the best option price/features/function.

>>61185206
>>61185199
wait, I use clover wich I have to download from a unofficial repository, is there an oficial one?

Here is a beautiful website that is also functional https://www.amistech.com/msc/

>>61185229
I miss text boards.

>>61185667
Yeah mostly we just write the html, but with a few programmatic things like loops and html helpers that generate common bits of it for us.

>>61185802
Don't be an autist.

>>61186248
Kill yourself onegai.

>>61185631
>>61186248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>61185379
And miss the point completely.
https://bestmotherfucking.website/

>>61186298
why make them stop? let them use it so the biggest faggots are easier to filter.

>>61185532
twitter is a cluster fuck of pain in the ass to use shit, I have to use it every now and then for contest signups, and when they make me tweet something, I would always make 2 tweets, 1 with what they required to be entered, and the second a frustrated "It took me x minutes this time to figure how the fuck to make a tweet, fuck this site" comment.

>>61185514
>>61185468
4chan is slow due to servers, not due to the site itself.

>>61185653
I can't think of a meaningful way to update the look without adding unnecessary bullshit.

The little that 4chan x addes is really all that I think could be done without making the site worse.

>>61185065
because nobody needs this flat shit with large useless spaces between everything

>>61185963
not really, most forums I go to are more functional than 4chan, however 4chan is far easier to use and navigate, and shockingly a less shitty userbase.

>>61185065
>4chan
>terrible ui
fucking hell what do they want from a goddamn imageboard?

>>61185725
>You'll get over it

>>61185065
There is nothing worse than "designers", imho. You know the type: they talk about type. They follow trends, in fact, their whole industry is about trend cycles.

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>>61186081
>>61186058
>>61186033
>>61186006
>>61185987

with inline quotes I easily followed the conversation, and now that it's over, I scroll down and don't see any of the shit that I just read.

The single most useful thing ever added to 4chan and other image boards.

There is literally nothing wrong with 4chans design

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>>61185065
>gaymer

>>61186764
>street food gourmet
what does he eat? roadkill?

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Y'all are reminding me that the best way to browse 4chan for posts with multiple replies would be a as a map. brb making a greasemonkey script to prove my point

>>61186759
On 2ch.hk the mouseover stays on screen if you move your mouse over it. This way you can follow the conversation without needing to jump all over it, but at the same time you don't need to click to open/close inline quotes. Works like ass on mobile tho

>>61185846
poo.swf

>>61185065
let me see here, let's look at 4chan.

I only use catalog view, so I have an entire boards posts shown at once, the normal paged or pageless navigation is shit,
Once in a thread, everything stretches as far as my window is open, there is no real wasted space as
Everything is upfront and easy to navigate, and with in line linking and image expansion, its easy to follow a conversation and not get lost.

reddit is much the same way, despite how much of a shit show the sites form of moderation is.

>>61185273
Why are there so many scripts and requests
You could literally build this site with only HTML and CSS

>>61185065
It's the reverse. They're ugly because they're popular. If they'd change the design, people would get very mad. ebay had to gradually fade the background color from yellow to white over the course of a year to prevent it.

>>61186808
i'll give it that has its uses, however every in line thing there is now removed from below, so you never hit the same post and see it.

also, im firmly against mobile period, use real hardware to browse the internet, not a fucking phone. I have been forced to use the internet on a tablet when my computer died a few years back, in line was fairly easy to do on it, so its likely more to do with screensize.

>>61185725
It's still kicking.

>>61186121
They mean a mobile version in-browser.

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>>61186764
>street food gourmet
Hmmm, the delicious Indian street """food"""

>>61186322
Your link is hilarious.

I've never seen so much butthurt.

He's so angry that he knows fuck all about layout.

>>61187007
Yet I had a better time reading through it that 90% of today's websites.

>>61185065
wikipedia and craigslist are literally the best looking websites. whoever wrote that article should be murdered violently

>>61187007
>when you didnt read the whole page
kek

>>61185828
I consider it a major flaw in a search engine if you type your query and you get an empty page that doesn't load any results.

>>61185273
>left-right arrow key
made me think

>>61187165
I use dark themes. It makes everything better when the background isn't eye-bleeding seas of white.

>>61185065
This layout is far better than anything else based on web 3.0 bullshit.

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Content > UI

the author meant
>why are these ugly sites so popular and my prettah site is unpopular
because people only care about content

they a re popular because they are practical and fast

what are some sites /g/ approves of

>>61187360

4chan.org

>>61186007
Icon theme?

>>61187360
androidarts.com

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>>61187387
so if you were designing a pro site you'd use the same layout as an anime imageboard created by a 14 year old 13 years ago

>>61187439
looks a bit plain and it isn't mobile friendly, normies don't like that

http://mobiletest.me/iphone_5_emulator/?u=http://androidarts.com

Reddit is too busy censoring the_donald and churning through CEOs to deal with UI

>>61185308
Sure, with those disgusting gay 3D icons and window borders. As a straight male, I feel discriminated.

>>61185065
If it isn't broken, don't fix it, you fucking hipster.

>>61187509
Last time I visited it on my phone it looked fien without any horizontal scrolling. That was Firefox on Android.

>>61187459
What a clean, efficient, lightweight home page.

>>61186764
IT'S GONNA BLOW

>>61187661
how? the width of div#container is set to 640px but while the resolution width is 640 due to the retina display, the device width is 320px

http://www.javascriptkit.com/dhtmltutors/cssmediaqueries2.shtml

>>61185065
Because I'm popular.

That's what the article said, right?

>>61187830
Dunno, charging my phone right now to take a look. What I can tell you is that the screen size and resolution is substantially higher than on an iPhone 5, so that might just be it.

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>>61187509

>>61187509
Phones are for street shitters

>>61185065
>muh philosophies
Cool, this is a tech board. Go to /x/ or whatever board is devoted to discuss that shit.

Does anyone even like the stupid parallax bullshit that so many sites/guis have noawadays?

>>61187936
>>61188046
strange, maybe it is wasting time designing pages to be squashed to 320px

>>61185065
this kind of mentality is exactly whats wrong with web 2.5 and it fucking enrages me

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>>61185065
>Abhimanyu Goshal

>>61185406
>50KB > 5 MB
That's objectively incorrect.

>>61188514
Stop using the word "objectively" as an intensifier.

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>>61188514

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>>61185186

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>>61185202

I agree with this quote but Sullivan loved his terra cotta decoration. Really nice buildings though.

>>61185273

bravo

How come a guy that isn't even familiar with extensions has a job writing about "tech"? I'm using 4chan x with a black layout, all white sites that are so common and apparently look pretty kill my eyes.

How can I change the font with 4chan? I like that typewriter font, it was kinda easy on appchan x.

>>61185763
>search something in google
>the order of images, videos, maps, ect changes for no apparent reason
>accidentally click on news because that is where images normally are

Why the fuck did they do this?

What is the logic behind changing the order like that dependent on search results.

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>>61185229

>>61187586
why did you pick the one out of the two he could possibly argue without looking like a fool?

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>>61185065
>normies

>>61185065
I really wish ebay would either finish updating their website or go back to the old design, some parts of the website are a broken mess and it's been that way for years.

>>61185134

Please show me where the fuck anything in the OP talked about anything to do with Apple design you dumbfuck frothing retard.

modern web design is based around the "philosophy" that they have to stuff as much javascript as they possibly can to bloat everything up

>>61188747
Wow, you shaved a whopping 6 bytes off the file size with that conversion to .png.

>>61188691
in advanced/custom CSS or you can add oneechan on top of 4chanx, it has an option for it

>>61187240
Good point,
why does the site move like that?

>>61185155
And speed
HN is fast, whirlpool is really fast

Reddit is slow, mobile even slower

>>61185065
Good design IS important, and it's something people value, but that only stands true IF and only IF the site in question hasn't fallen to marketing/"engagement" overlords.

Reddit, Craigslist, 4Chan, HN, and TDR don't look amazing, true. But you know what else they don't do? They don't push you to share or subscribe ***and the ads don't displace the fucking content***.

So the issue isn't about good or bad design. The issue that well-designed websites more often than not are drenched in obnoxious and obtrusive social media buttons, "dickbars", interstitial ads, full page ads, etc, while all of those old/"ugly" sites don't, and THAT is what makes the difference.

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>>61185273
Riveting.

>>61189634
Can't blame the guy honestly. He's probably stuck with Comcast.

>>61190125
Well-designed != over-designed.

I'm sad because this reminds me of one thing: I'm shit at design. I don't know what good design is at all, I'm really uneducated on that subject. I see something that looks good to me and some people are like "nigga you have to be fucking with us".

For instance. I don't know if the new design of www.romhacking.net is good, but I like it a fucking lot. I also like the way Windows 8.1 looks by default. And macOS. And MIUI. However the way Windows 10 looks is just not good to me.

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But I am not?

>>61188596
that ugly fucking button in the bottom left makes me puke

>>61190611
Eh, I'm not too fond of that one.

Is Oneechan/Stylechan really the only thing these days worth a shit?

>>61190685
You get used to it

>>61190570
>romhacking.net

It doesn't look much different from the old version. I like the way old turn of the century sites tended toward being information dense rather than being 60% empty space like modern pages, but on the other hand that site shows some of the excesses of it.

>left column just duplicates the menu up on the top header
>right column full of superfluous random shit because fuck, why not?

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>>61185273

This is how you website

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/
https://www.craigslist.ca

>>61185065
Dressing up something that is shit so it looks better is a Jewish trick.

>>61190800
kanji makes anything look bloated

>>61185065

> what do you mean, "parallax scrolling and half a gig of javascript for calculating animations isn't how you make a good website"?

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I'm not though.

>>61186011
this

bring back burichan and the original front page fuck web2.0

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>>61191560
?

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minecraft.net nowadays actually broke my heart a bit when I decided to redownload it on another PC
The site lost all of its simple charm

>>61185065
>4chan
>ugly

It's one of the few sites that truly priorities function over form, nobody comes here to circlejerk about web 2.0. b.s.

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>his 4chan css doesnt have its own window manager

>>61193231
Yeah tbf, I'm not a huge fan of the design, you can do form over function without the site being ugly, but the UX is pretty good, really.

Also... what's that window manager?

>>61185109
4cha, craigslist, and hackernews work fine on mobile

>>61185065
I use dollchan, have both usability and shit still looks good. He must be an autist, heavily text based websites are gonna have same old trusted simple desighn because adding something else might just fuck shit up. Leddit only works semi good using white on black because there is so much it turns into the clusterfuck if you are not using the most simple colour scheme.

>>61185065
probably because we don't need "modern design" aka marxism to have fun

4chan has to remain low key and not use many resources so the malware ads have a chance to install their trojans and mine their bitcoins in peace.

>>61193271
That looks unwieldy, my lad. Nice job.

>>61188577
but he isn't, the point of the post was to identify the flaw. "objectively" implies an argument in this case.

>>61185065
Because they are functional instead of design wankery.

>>61185109
Literally all of these websites have an optimized and modern mobile version too, so I don't even know why this article even got published.

>>61185195
>>61185468
>what constitutes bad design
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/170702_1D_10E1/
>slow performance
6.7s fully loaded
680kB (compressed) in 34 JS requests
560kB in images

And then there's the fact that a lot of that page loads on demand, as you scroll, and as you scroll new articles appear so you can cross into different content without noticing.

>>61193271
>all time you count
kek

>>61185880
>>61186001
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>61185065
the people working at reddit literally don't know shit about webdev. isn't there a pic floating around of the admin saying css is complicated or some shit?

all they are good at is selling out to state sponsored propaganda agencies and silencing conservative voices.

>>61186808

>On 2ch.hk the mouseover stays on screen if you move your mouse over it.

Just tried that and it's quite nice. I wish 4chan-x did that.

>>61186555
>>61186666

C-C-CCCHECK EM

>>61189014
Did that comment make you feel gay? There's nothing wrong with that anon

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>>61185763
this is what it looks like today...

"""Designers""" are the same retarded faggots that critique video games' stories without realising that the story should be a vehicle for fun gameplay, not a Shakespeare masterpiece

Retarded bike shedders

>>61185136
The font size is so small that the line length on a regular screen gets annoyingly long. Line height could be a little taller too. The text wraps around all kinds of fact/navigation boxes which makes reading even more clumsy. It may be fit for a magazine, but not a page with long texts. What's ironic is that most articles on Wikipedia follow the same structure, so a design standardisation wouldn't be hard to neither implement or get used to.

>>61185134
>>61185155
>>61185160
>>61185202
>4chan
>double arrows behind every single post
>links and quotes inconsistently underlined. some are, some aren't.
>quote pop-up shows up all over the place
>posts have colored background but vary in width
>buttons are links in [brackets] meme
>buttons inconsistently put in brackets. some are, some aren't.
>>even for the sake of argument, if all buttons (or in this case action links) were to be put inside brackets, the brackets are not vertically aligned properly [Aa][+][-] because it's normally an open-type feature. so either use a font that supports this properly by raising the brackets, or write two fucking lines of CSS and draw a solid line around the link.

>hackernews
>same as above
>numbered items on the front page
>(source)
>sepia background that doesn't cover the entire page
>bars | separate | everything

none of these style choices are based on function, so fuck off with your overrated meme quote

>>61194302
Holy shit, for my first trick I bring you tripples, and for my second I give you quads.

>>61185065
>>61185128
>>61185134
>>61185155

read the fucking article you tists

>The thing is, it’s not always easy to say at a glance whether a site is well designed or not. You might be able to quickly decide whether it looks nice, but there’s more to good design than merely creating an aesthetically pleasing layout. You also have to consider how usable a site is and if it helps visitors find what they’re looking for or accomplish the task they have at hand.

>>61185065
>Capital C in 4chan
Why do people do this?

>>61187360
berkshirehathaway.com

>>61185273
to be fair, this disgusting website is built on all the boilerplate shit most lazy programmers use nowadays, with today's library of choice being Material UI. it really is a result of the framework-for-everything, just-paste-this-into-your-html mentality

>>61185065
Sites like Reddit and 4chan save a fuckton of data. And besides, I prefer 4chan and Reddit's design over the mobile counterparts. Mobile reddit looks so uniform, which takes away a lot of the charm of Reddit. On reddit, there are virtually no drop-down menus. Everything's just right there. On mobile reddit, they're fucking everywhere. Looking for shit turns into a game of hide-and-seek, and 1 click turns into 2 clicks trying to get to a profile page.

>>61188596
That's clover you fuck

>>61185065
>oh, you poor miserable nerds using fonts I don't like, but don't worry, I, an art major hipster fag, will deign to correct your little mistakes, teehee

fuck off casual, you know nothing and your existence is worth nothing to anybody

>>61194377
What happened to all the color?

>>61194377
white space fucking cancer

>>61193404
>he

>>61185065
So what, all those WordPress based websites with "smooth" scrolling that cripple my i7 are preferred?

>>61193206
Man, I remember when you were able to play that shit in the browser. In 2010 I was in the 10th grade and everyone in our school's computer lab would be playing that game when the teachers weren't paying attention.

>modern design philosophies
You mean 10,000 lines of Javascript and pointless, cpu-burning reactive layouts with 500 animations everywhere?
Part of the reason I stay on 4chan so much is because its perfectly fucking clean. Even other chan sites have a bunch of retarded add-in UI elements that shit up the experience.

>>61194466
>double arrows behind every single post
What?

>links and quotes inconsistently underlined. some are, some aren't.
Such as?

>quote pop-up shows up all over the place
Stays exactly where you last closed it if you're using the floating quick-reply window.

>posts have colored background but vary in width
So? Forced word-wrap is stupid unless its at window width.

>buttons are links in [brackets] meme
What exactly is wrong with that level of simplicity?

>buttons inconsistently put in brackets. some are, some aren't.
...again, like what? What exactly do you want? Do you want the buttons to be "real" buttons or do you want a simple extension of pre-existing link buttons?

>That autistic rant on button consistency
Again, what exactly is the problem with them now?

>none of these style choices are based on function,
It sounds like every single one of them came out of the function rather than being autistically pained over to be styled in such-and-such a way, so you're just straight up incorrect. 4chan is form directly from function.

>>61185065
>drudge report ugly

Libs keep putting Drudge on top of those damn lists, but its simple and clean. It gets you what you want and you can easily scroll through it in less than a few minutes. Its not that fucking hard to understand that. You have to be retarded.

Only think holding it back are ads and their slow servers.

>Ugly
Perfectly Usable

Shit.

Especially Druge Report like holy fuck that page loads quick.

>>61185763

>Top stories
>Muammar al-Gaddafi

RIP

>>61194393

Bingo. I don't think my web design would pass in today's world, but I was a programmer first so my idea of a "template" was nice uniform boxes and menus compacted with lots of room for text.

Web 2.0 was a disaster. Whatever the hell you call what we have now makes Web 2.0 look wonderful.

>>61195964

10 years ago everyone thought Javascript was a useless meme language and now everyone uses it to do useless meme shit.

I thought Ruby on Rails was supposed to do all of this crap. Whatever happened to that?

Simplicity.

>>61196366

Is never a good thing. As I've gotten older I've realized this.

>>61185763
this and Google Reader RIP
does any else even use rss feed aggregators anymore? I would guess no because the rss buttons on webpages have been replaced with snapchat buttons.

>>61196340
Ruby can't be run in browsers with a Ruby-to-JS transpiler. It's unfortunate, I'd really rather write Ruby or Python for the front ends on my web projects, but that's not possible, so I do the next best thing: use JS as little as humanly possible.

>>61196500
I use local native RSS clients, which are way better than Google Reader. Some these days will even process "read full article" links with Readability clone so even if a feed only includes story summaries, you never have to load article source pages.

As an advertiser, Reddit sucks. I do most of my advertising on Facebook. Facebook has a great UI.

>>61185273
My greatest fear in life is going to school for a CS degree and ending up like every fucking bindi piece of shit writing lame ass countdown articles for obscure tech websites that are have more ads than content.

>>61185065
>modern
>design
>philosophies
which is injected with shitton of trackers,beacons, big-ass fonts and white spaces

these buzzfeed clone sites should kill themselves

>>61196500
I still read RSS feeds because I'm a dinosaur.

Feedly is actual garbage as a productive reader.

By contrast, Inoreader has copied Google Reader almost perfectly. It's the epitome of clean and usable.

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>>61185273
whoa, impressive

>>61196915
>>61185273

fucking kek

good read here:
http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm

>>61185136
It doesn't have a like button. I can't post snapchat. I cant tweet to pages. I can't subscribe to the pages.

>>61185065
HTML was developer to show articles and reports for scientifics, adaptable content, scroll down or up, JavaScript was to valid data on client.

WebApps are bad use HTML.

>>61185065

Dear Pajeet
Reddit is ugly, 4chan is beautiful

>>61196598
which one? I have tried a few and most have had at least one huge flaw or would only load articles from a small number of pages in my full rss list.

>>61196709
i tried inoreader for a while. the ads were bothersome, doesn't load half of the things, have to keep clicking the icons for web or mobile or both to guess which version will load within inoreader.

>>61194466
function here means enabling communication between people, not whether a fucking button works or not you sperg

>>61197820
>which one? I have tried a few and most have had at least one huge flaw or would only load articles from a small number of pages in my full rss list.
Have shuffled through a few over the past few years, but I'm now using News Explorer by Betamagic, which works pretty nicely. It's not free but it's a one-time purchase (no subscription bullshit) and it's quality work, so I don't mind supporting its creator.

>>61193231
>priorities function over form
Yeah, that 500 words long message filling up my enitre screen sure seems readable.

Reading any meaningful thread without a CSS rule that limits the width of a reply feels like eye cancer.

>>61185065
That article is fucking stupid and illogical

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>>61185160
Toplel

People consider HN's design scary?
Not sure if serious or just a smooth brain.

>>61185182
What a discovery you made newfag

>>61186210
>text boards

Me too. I miss /prog/ :(

>>61196005
>what? so?
don't try this hard anon if you just didn't get it.

>>61185065
>Why are some of the ugliest sites on the Web also the most popular
>this font
>this colour
>these fucking white side-bars

>>61185179
Have to appeal to the normie crowd that doesn't know shit.

>>61198048
no. the argument was "le form follows function" which is a retarded thing neckbeards like to quote without designing anything themselves. my point is that there is enough stuff that doesn't have any function on here. why are there even themes on this website? you retard talk as if 4chan looked absolutely flawless when really you've just been used to the same layout for years.

>>61185273
Jesus fucking CHRIST!

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this just in: mobile reddit is a confirmed piece of shit
it legit took me like a minute to load the last time I tried to use it on an actual phone

>>61185273
Come on now, how do you fuck a hamburger menu that bad. Why is it even there?

>>61185075
Because Onee-chan.

>>61198835
>forms an opinion based on a botnet
how is your acne treatment going?

>>61198740
>you've just been used to the same layout for years

The implication being if it had another layout we'd be used to that... the implication being there's no difference... the implication being that design is a scam.

>>61198859
i'd believe you that "design is a scam" if you used 4chan with all styling disabled, as a plain text site, and still believed there wasn't room for improvement. i get the paradox though.

>>61185065
>when is 4chan going to get with the times and include a hamburger menu button?

This is to be at one with the fatties right?

>not using 4chan material theme
is like you love to eat poop

>>61185065
>didn't look terrible enough to me so I made it even uglier

That's fucking awesome

>>61198740
Reddit doesn't have themes, you should check it out

>>61198740

>he doesnt want based tomorrow theme


fuckoff pajeet neet

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>>61185273
sasuga

>>61185475
>not even hiding your redditness
fucking redditors get off my board

>>61185308
Wrong

Because JavaScript is cancer and any site that requires it for its content isn't worth visiting

>>61188693
exactly, I hate this. Glad to see I'm not the only one

>>61185475
Disable subreddit css in references

>>61185134
t.butthurt winfag
Mac outperforms winblows in both content & design

>>61187360
https://stallman.org/

>>61185415
>>61186210
I am the 1000 of my GET.
VIP is my body, and kopipe is my blood.
I have created over 999 posts.
Unaware of /b/.
Nor aware of fchan.
Withstood bans to create many flamewars.
Waiting for one's arrival.
I have no regrets, this was the only path.
My whole life was Unlimited Troll Works.

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>>61187360
schneier.com (Bruce Schneier's blog)

Beautiful, lightweight, and doesn't load crap from a billion 3rd party sites.

>>61185065
Function over form.

>>61185065
People who bitch because the sites they use don't have a good layout for mobile can GET FUCKED and don't belong on /g/.

Phones are for light browsing while taking a shit, and if you disagree you don't belong here.

>>61185065
4chan's UI, in using a design from yesteryear, has an elegance about it: it's design is fairly spartan (although updates have been going on over the years, rarely changing the actual look of the place).
It is almost the ideal for text discussions: in contrast, a site like Tumblr works more to exhibit your content and ideas to other people but is terrible for trying to have a discussion on said content.
Reddit is better than Tumblr for discussions but I'm not a fan in how replies always shift off to the right: like having consecutive else if statements, you don't want them going off of the right of the screen.

Also, to be Captain Obvious, the less flashy a website is, the kinder it is to my download speed.

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>>61185065
>>modern design philosophies

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>>61198835
congratulations google, you just played yourself

thread was a good read. imo php html css and mysql + build from scratch (no massive shit framework) is all you ever need for 99% of web projects

>>61185065

F U N C T I O N A L I T Y

That's why they look the way they do. They are lightweight and F U N C T I O N A L. And sure they might look a little confusing at first (4chan and Reddit both have a little learning curve) but obviously once you've learned it, its very functional.

Redesigning your UI every 6 months is A COMPLETE FUCKING WASTE OF TIME AND RESOURCES AND A SUREFIRE WAY TO PISS OFF YOUR USERBASE AND POSSIBLY DRIVE THEM TO ANOTHER SITE.

>>61185134
You're a fucking idiot, not every Mac user is a complete hipster faggot

Macs are powerful, fast, consistent, and they rarely crash. Windows used to be more powerful but I feel it's really lost its way in recent years.

When I bought my rMBP I was really tempted by the Dell XPS 13, in fact I really wanted to like it. But it has several issues like not being able to turn off auto-brightness, and also the shitiness of the trackpad gestures, and Windows' shitty support for high DPI displays. OS X is far stronger than Windows in all these areas. And Apple computers have a very high build quality.

Macs aren't perfect but they're strong and reliable computers.

>>61185273
>menu requires another click to be accessible

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>>61185431
That says MB not KB you dumbfuck pajeet

>>61185065
>wikipedia
>hacker news
>ugly
I don't get it.
They are nice.
Okay reddit is trash and 4chan have an old fashioned design but it's still okay compared to facebook, twitter or whatever meme website.

And the answer might be that people don't care of webdesign and aesthetic shit, but wants something easy to use, intuitive and with decent content

>>61185065
I use the console mainly, X when neded like right now

>>61193800
because jelous faggots

>>61194267
dollchan does

>>61185160
That's how Apple became successful, by selling designer hardware with a designer os.

Basically, faggotry.

>>61206425
>comparing macs to "windows"

How stupid are you?

A PC is only as powerful as you build it, a mac comes in like 2 or 3 predefined options.

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>>61185065
i wonder

These articles always overlook quality content>presentation. You can polish up a turd, and it's still going to be a turd.

Also, whoever came up with the idea of parallax scrolling for websites deserves to be publicly executed, so they can be an example for what happens when you put form far above function.

>>61185273
>menu compressed to a burger button on a 1440p screen

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>>61206425
>throttling piece of shit
>strong and reliable
kek

Okay, let's ignore /g/'s outrage counterculture bullshit for a minute here.

What are some sleek looking designs that are also very functional?