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There's not been a /retro/ thread for a while, let's have one.
I've been working on this pos and it's almost working, but it keeps bitching about hard the hard drive.
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>>61184801
I agree, time for /retro/.
Nice machine bro, heres my WIP machine.
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Also pulled off an LGR recently and built a nice 486 box.
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where do I get a nice retro computer?
Even pentium II's are expensive as fuck on ebay ;_;
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>>61186545
Patience you must have, my young pada... retrofag.
Good things come to those who wait, just keep your eyes and ears open too.
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>>61186813

Is that the guy who "professionally" still uses his commodore because it "just werks"?
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>>61184801
>but it keeps bitching about hard the hard drive
Hard, the Hard drive. Nice idea for a children's book, kek.

I ordered a LoTech IDE-XT adapter recently for my shitbox.
The old 10MB MFM drive deserves a little rest.

>>61186836
https://twitter.com/marcelvandenber/status/784688237218525184?lang=en
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I still wonder if LGR lurks here every now and then.
But then again I think he probably avoids this place since there's more annoyance than valuable info, especially since around 2011/12. Others didn't have the luck to never enter the rabbit hole
>tfw you're here forever
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>>61186892
>tfw you're here forever
Forever.
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>>61186813
>>61186836
Kinda odd how people make such a fuzz about others using the same computer for literal decades while driving a 30 years old car, using a 20 years old washing machine or listening to disco on your 80's Sony hifi is no biggie
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Beige keyboards are my fetish
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>>61186933
They have a containment thread for that >>61163166
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>>61186928
True, but computers usually get upgraded.
A 30 year old car still drives at the speed limit and a 20 year old washing machine still washes, but a 26 year old computer won't allow you to manipulate those 20GB databases or watch YouTube videos.

It's a pretty significant thing to make a fuss about for normies.
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>>61184801
Do Packard Bells have any sentimental value to anyone? I have a bunch of them and I don't know how to throw them out faster.
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>>61187057
Part them out or just put them on sale for 5 bucks.
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>>61186933
>Beige keyboards are my fetish
lol, my early 90's mech board was so absurdly yellowed when I found it in the attic I couldn't stand it and just wrapped it in tinfoil just for the shits until I could do something seriously about it.
in the end I completely forgot about restoring it with retrobright or painting it and just keep using it this way. interestingly the toil didn't rip anywhere yet, even after months.
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>>61187448
Finally, a keyboard with proper shielding
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>>61184801
No wonder you can't get anything more complicated than an xbox going, when you can't even double chek the shit you wrote. Champ.

Also, stop pretending you are cool because Model M. Every idiot has one ok?
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>>61187722
2/10
Made me raise an eyebrow.
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>>61187722
It's not a model m you fucking dunce. Also I'm not writing a fucking thesis on a mongolian basket weaving forum so deal with it.
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>>61186545
Check your local recycling centers, i've had luck there before. The boards will probably be fucked, but you may be able to get something good
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>>61186545
>he doesn't have his own time machine
topkek
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>>61186545
It's one of those things where you really want one but once you have it you really have no use for it, at least for me. Check local ads, garage sales, ebay, ask around at work or your family if they have old computers they want to get ride of. That's how i got a few myself.
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>>61191269
Wait, why would you want one in the first place then? Some collector autism?
You want one because you have use for it, not to leave them rotting again.
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>>61186545
Sometimes, thrift stores have them. Where I live, they almost never have any PCs (I've only seen a P4 ThinkPad which I bought for $5.)
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>>61186545
jewBay

They have nice big capital letters and big prices, just go and pick one
>SUPER RARE VINTAGE RETRO
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wtf I hate multi-level caches now
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>>61191408
Kek at the little Intel engineer
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>>61191299
This isn't anything new, everyone wants things that they don't actually need and probably only use a hand full of times. Sometimes you get things thinking you'll use it for a project or toy around with it and then never actually get around to using it. Some people who post here have shelves filled to the brim with old tech, you're not going to tell me they have a need for all of them?
>not to leave them rotting again.
Some of these things where in the garbage or heading for it, it's better for them to rot in my closet. What do you want me to do, give them away to people who will just turn around and try to make a buck off it or recycle it?
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>>61191513
>Some people who post here have shelves filled to the brim with old tech, you're not going to tell me they have a need for all of them?
They do, I've seen them set up some of their things from time to time.
The use is literally playing around with them.

Most people though have their shit set up all the time and play games or use them as learning tools.
If you just collect them on shelves though, you're just a collector, also known as cancer.

>What do you want me to do, give them away to people who will just turn around and try to make a buck off it or recycle it?
If you really have no use? Sell them? Actually be sure to who you give if you decide to just give them away? I never gave or sold anything away if I had a suspicion they just end up on a shelf or resold.
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>>61189518
>>61186545
Kek, poorfag without a time machine.
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>>61191566
>If you just collect them on shelves though, you're just a collector, also known as cancer.
Yes, collectors should be shot and their collection seized and redistributed to the people.
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>>61191738
That would be nice, BUT don't forget, it's their shit.
You won't like it when a /vr/-tier autists starts screeching and saying the same thing about your machine because you slightly modified something of it, because you actually use your shit instead of jerking off to it from behind a glass.

Luckily, collectors still play a good role, they store things properly and originally for the future and they don't live forever.
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>>61191513
pretty much what the situation is for me, whatever I don't buy from my sources are 99% guaranteed to be sent to a landfill or destroyed with no exceptions, because there's nobody else here really who does what I do
if I'm facing down a nicely configured PII box or an old 386/486 or whatever else and I've got a choice between paying $5 to store it in a nice temperature-controlled area and mess around with it every once and a while or sending it straight to the crusher because some bitter retrogamer like >>61191566 is really triggered about it then I'll always take the former option, at least then I can put it to work or eventually give it away/trade it to someone who would love it in the future should I ever meet such a person
>>61191798
you think way too highly of your banal use cases while you look down on others, take a step away from the computer and calm down a bit
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>>61192007
>not sure if bait or just autistic
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>>61192031
really weak my dude, no wonder you can't get over yourself long enough talk to people and find this shit on your own
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>>61192007
>mess around with it every once and awhile
So you aren't a collector, you use your shit and actually look for a home for shit you don't need.
So why call me bitter when that's exactly what I said? Is this bait? Because I sure took it.
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>>61192069
because you just sound angry and jealous more than anything, working in the antique industry for so long I've met tons of "collectors" as you describe them and they're generally great people and my favorite kind of person to deal with, because they aren't just sleazy pieces of shit trying to use you to make a quick buck or clueless casuals just trying to glom on to trends or looking for beautiful stuff to ruin with shabby shitting or other god awful hipster practices

not to mention that when the time comes that they have to downsize or purge their inventories for any other reason, the prices are going to be fantastic for even more fantastic shit that wouldn't have survived in any other way
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>>61190651
kot milasha
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>>61192151
Fair enough if you have good experience with such people, because most that I know just jerk off to their shit, almost never sell or trade and will outpay or bid you with ridiculous prices just to get something. You ask me why I'm angry and jealous, they make the hobby of people who enjoy the hardware and software much harder so their can just hoard their shit. Most of who I know don't even know much about the shit they have.

Not to mention, rarely I've heard of collectors selling for cheap, I know some Apple collectors that have given out shit for real cheap, but then again, those where people who loved their machines, knew and used them, but mostly I see collectors trying to hook some hipsters for a big paycheck when they sense they can get it and want to get rid of something.
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>>61192151
>working in the antique industry
what do you do? are you someone who literary things that retro computers should be an industry?
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>>61184801
>but it keeps bitching about hard the hard drive.
What seems to be the problem?
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>>61192247
like I definitely understand where you're coming from too honestly, and there are still shitty ones out there who are just dick waving or hoarding things irrationally but I just don't feel they make as huge a dent when it comes to the stuff it sounds like you're into

every time I miss out on something or am looking hard for something I'll always remind myself that 90% of this stuff was
made in the millions and it does show up... eventually
>>61192278
nah I don't just work with electronics, my family does estate liquidation so I see all kinds of shit and different kinds of people who buy it

retro tech sure as fuck isn't an industry barring maybe surplus resellers supporting business customers, I'm usually the only one buying that shit even out of our own sales and auctions
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>>61192444
>nah I don't just work with electronics, my family does estate liquidation so I see all kinds of shit and different kinds of people who buy it
>retro tech sure as fuck isn't an industry barring maybe surplus resellers supporting business customers, I'm usually the only one buying that shit even out of our own sales and auctions
youre alright dude
nice digits
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Don't currently have a pic but rebuilding a 486 DOS gaming machine I had in pieces from a few months ago. Currently got drives in place, gonna start the DOS install later tonight.
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>>61192490
Noice

>gonna start the DOS install later tonight.
Keep us posted with some DOS pr0n
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>>61187722
>Model M
>Tandy

Taking the smart right out of the word smartass.
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Earlier today I received this little laptop from my uncle. He ran it (along with other stuff) by me before throwing it into the dumpster, so of course I ended up taking it.

Battery (including BIOS battery, if it has one) is completely dead, but apart from that it works just fine. Even has XP installed. I don't really have a need or any use for it though. Ideas? I guess I could try Puppy Linux on the thing and have a nostalgia trip, must've been almost ten years since I last used that thing.
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>>61191044
>GREEN SYSTEM
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>>61192444
>like I definitely understand where you're coming from too honestly, and there are still shitty ones out there who are just dick waving or hoarding things irrationally but I just don't feel they make as huge a dent when it comes to the stuff it sounds like you're into
>every time I miss out on something or am looking hard for something I'll always remind myself that 90% of this stuff was
>made in the millions and it does show up... eventually
I agree, but as you already said too, 99% shit for you is either going to a landfill if you don't buy it for 5 bucks.
Where I'm located it ain't that easy, specially because the older shit never was really popular when new here and those dick wavers just want to get their mitts onto anything that does pop up.
Not to mention, the only reason anything gets sold online is to take advantage of the "retro is the flavor of the month and good for a quick big buck". Lucky if you happen to stumble onto something yourself.

Also as we know, places like eBay are expensive too, even if you really did want something that you know you won't otherwise find, not that it has always stopped me.
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>>61192151
>working in the antique industry
How much would you value a Mac Classic II in unknown working condition with no keyboard or mouse? They seem to be going for a few hundred online in working condition and some guy in an antique shop has one for 45$ CDN. Also anyone known if they use standard mouse and keyboards or am i going to have to fish out original peripherals for it?
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>>61192551
That's already a pretty capable machine, sure Linux would be nice.
CMOS battery change shouldn't be that hard, if youre into messing with this shit, you could ever replace the cells in the main battery.

I used to have a Latitude very similar to this one, specs wise too, as my main laptop.
Used to play Runescape in the shopping centres wifi. Kek.
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>>61186836
He's an engineer and he built this balancing rig himself.

>"professionally"
Why in quotes? He does it for a living.
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>>61192594
Not him, but check prices online that actually sold.
Also, mostly there's always those 300 buck units that never sell while those 50 buck units that pop up from time to time get sold right away.
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>>61190199
wtf is goin on here?
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>>61192623
Yeah, if I end up fiddling with it more the first thing I'll do is definitely changing the CMOS battery. Don't think I'll bother with the main battery though, unless I get completely hooked on retro. I have a pretty utilitarian view on technology tough, so I might just end up passing it forward.

I wish I had your Runescape nostalgia towards the machine! Before we had internet at home and I was only able to play at the library or at a friends house made it that much more magical.
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>>61192818
dial-up
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>>61192655
This. The biggest mistake people make when pricing things online is to use the prices of active listings. In other words, shit that has not sold. Always check the sold listings for no-pay/canceled bids and common closing prices to get an idea of what people are actually willing to pay for them.

>>61192818
Looks like an acoustically-coupled modem.
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>>61192580
weird that I don't see those types very often with retro shit, closest I can think of is a dude who runs a mom-and-pop computer shop who gave up on it after buying out the whole building and now just hoards trade-ins from his regular customers while collecting rent, supposedly he has some real nice shit in a warehouse I want to get a crack at some day

and I've fallen for the eBay meme on occasion too, mostly for really esoteric shit that has 0 chance of showing up locally that I'd still get some use out of, been dumping more than I should on early WinCE handhelds lately that I'll probably end up using as glorified organizers
>>61192594
like $35-40 if it works and boots to an operating system
$15-20 if it's dead
they use ADB keyboards and mice which aren't too difficult to get a hold of honestly, surprised whatever you're looking at doesn't already have a set with it
>>61192850
yeah people who price only based on ebay rates are pretty retarded, our strategy is usually whatever the sold listings say and then slashing it by 25% or up to half depending on how niche it is
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>>61191408
Nice! I have a Visualize as well, though mine's a C3700.

Don't suppose you have HP-UX 11.11 install media you could share?
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>>61193123
check this shit:
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4808945/HP-UX_11.11_for_9000_series
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4808934/HP-UX_11.11_Compiler_Suite___other_applications
there's 10.20 and 11.31 too but I need to reseed them
have you found the porting and archive centre too? there's a ton of good shit on there that really helped convince me to give HP-UX a try, was considering a 3700 but it was a little more expensive and the 3000 still seemed like it had enough horsepower for what I wanted
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>>61184801
Sorry for shitty image quality, but, I have an IBM ThinkPad G40 I got for $5 that I'm gonna use for a Windows 98 SE + KernelEx machine. I currently have no charger or TrackPoint for it ATM, so I'm going to order those sometime. I'm also gonna throw in a 64GB CF card (to replace the slow 4200 RPM HDD) as well as 2GB of RAM (after I install the Unofficial Service Pack.) What do you guys think?
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>>61193399
Ironically people use those as daily drives in /tpg/
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>>61193414
At least I could use it and laugh at people who have the latest MacBook Pros.
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>>61193453
True that, fucking MacBooks have gone to shit in the past few years.
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>>61184801
Where can I get an Agat keyboard? I can't find any and I want a comfy communist keyboard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agat_(computer)
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>>61193544
eBay.
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>>61193553
Just checked. None on ebay.
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>>61193583
If you really want a Agat keyboard, good luck.
Else there are always other soviet clone machines.
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>>61193544
>separating one of those from its keyboard
please this is my safe space
don't think you'd have much hope to turn one up outside of straight up going back there though, only would ever expect complete systems to show up on the international market
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Being from East Europe, I had so much of Soviet clone shit back in the day.
Wonderful technology, almost always better than the systems they copied.
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>>61193659
in what ways? they don't seem all that different to me, not that I would be surprised if they tricked them out a little
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>>61193704
More RAM, better graphics chips, faster CPUs, in the likes of that, like Z80 and 8080 clones that I have personally owned that where more efficient per cycle and clocked higher.
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>>61193795
This is what slavs actually believe.
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>>61194127
>a clone system made AFTER the system it's cloning with government funding
>n-no way it can be b-better
put your tinfoil hat back on
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>>61194648
A goodwill near me has a similar looking screen going for 35$
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>>61193795
that makes sense, from what I skimmed it looks like they started with 1:1 clones but later enhanced the designs as time went on

the latest and greatest may have always been west of the wall but the stuff coming out of warsaw pact countries was just as fascinating in its own right, one day I might fall for one of those overpriced ukrainian ebay listings just to have an example, especially of one of the PDP-11 compatibles
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>>61194511
Yeah uh-huh...

Western Intel 8080: 3MHz, flat 6-11 cycles per instruction. Introduced 1974
Soviet CCCP KR580IK80A: 2Mhz, flat 6-11 cycles per instruction. Introduced 1979
Western Zilog Z80: 4Mhz, 3-6 cycles per instruction (2-5 w/fetch overlap). Introduced 1976
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>>61194944
It's a terminal
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>>61195080
>Another development, the KR580VM1 (КP580BM1), has no western equivalent.[7] The KR580VM1 extends the Intel 8080 architecture and is binary compatible with it. The extensions differ, however, from both the Intel 8085 and the Zilog Z80. The KR580VM1 extends the address range from 64KB to 128KB. It adds two registers, H1 and L1, that can be used instead of H and L. Several 16-bit arithmetic instructions were added as well (DAD, DSUB, DCOMP).[8] Just like the Intel 8085 and the Zilog Z80, the KR580VM1 needs only a single +5V power supply instead of the three voltages required by the KR580VM80A. The maximum clock frequency was increased from 2MHz to 5MHz while the power consumption was reduced from 1.35W to 0.5W, compared to the KR580VM80A.
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It's more fun to think about having a retro machine than actually having one.
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>>61195128
Yet still gets curbstomped by the 8Mhz Z80H that came out before it.
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>>61195174
Well, it wasn't a Z80H clone, was it?
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>>61195174
yet in the systems it was used and that were clones of a original system, it was better than the original

pretty much the whole point of it and it's true
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>>61194127
>>61195080
>>61195174
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ZX_Spectrum_clones
Read up on all the improvement the clones had over the system it cloned.
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>>61195234
Topkek, that's some dedication to make ZX clones
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>>61195130
Well they're both improved 8080 clones. The difference is what it took half a decade for the soviets to do, Zilog typically did in two years and did better.
>>61195080
Basically the soviets had improved clones of older hardware, while the western world had already moved on to more advanced equipment. It's comparing the same tier of tech rather than the same time period.
>>61195234
>1991 1M Speccy
Jesus.
>>61195130
I disagree. I'm having a blast playing through Rise of the Dragon and dialing up a few retro BBSes that still exist. Using my original registered copy of Telix, no less.
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>>61195324
Nobody sayd that advancements didnt exist already before the clones, the point was that they where better clones of the ORIGINAL.
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>>61192504
Got DOS set up, Windows 3.1 and all drivers installed. Now time for some Oregon Trail. Hell yeah.
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>>61196316
GOD DAMNIT
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>>61196472
How can a fire destroy bullets?
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>>61196539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-yqVAK9uxo
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>>61186545

>tfw I've thrown out more PI's and PII's in my life than I can count.

Literally used to take them apart in minutes, chuck the parts into bins, and sell them for scrap for dirt cheap.

Hell, I've got a container building out in my back yard (40') that's filled with computer shit. I probably have 50 boxes of 5.25" floppy drives.
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>>61196601
Gradually go through the shit and sell it on eBay. You'd be suprised how much it is worth.
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>>61193544

Go to a former Soviet Republic. I went to Bishkek (capital of Kyrgyzstan) on business a few years ago and came across a little shop that had one of those. Think I spent the equivalent of $10 USD for it. Bought some bootleg Soviet Moog synth for about the same price. Sold both to a collector in NY.

>>61196639

I have some here and there. I just work for myself nowadays so when I need some extra money, I'll go pull something out.

I have a whole pallet of CRT monitors that are all probably 20-22+ inches from the mid-90's. Viewsonics I think. Black and White all the way to 16 color IIRC. Got them from a government auction about a decade ago for $20. Whole pallet about 7 feet high.
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>>61196697
>20-22+ inches from the mid-90's
>all the way to 16 color IIRC

Not SVGA? You sure?
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>>61184801
Just a quick question.
Should I buy commondore 64 for 25$? I found on my local second hand store.
I have no experience with 80s computers other than IBM compatible machines.

Would it be worth it?
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>>61187722
DELET THIS
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>>61197260

$25 sound alright to me, especially if it has the power and video cables.
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>>61197398
Okay, I was also thinking of buying it for the sole reason it being old so I can profit from it in the future which is bit dumb (and certainly lazy) if one doesn't plan to learn from it, don't you think?
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>>61197797
sounds like bait but yeah it's not going to be an investment by any stretch of the imagination
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>>61198001
Alright, thanks for answers.
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>>61197797

Yeah, what the other guy said. C64s were produced and purchased by the MILLIONS, they're super common. You're not going to get resale out of it.
But hooking it up to play Psi-5 Trading Company would be worth the $25 IMO.
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>>61187448
That is fugly anon.
Paint it
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>>61198152
It's only somewhat difficult/costly getting a C64 from outside your region for software that doesn't work on yours.
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>>61198001
Unless you literary bubble wrap it for 50 years, kek
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Anyone want to try some art program I made? I recompiled it for DOS and want to see how it runs or if it runs on actual old PCs anymore.

It was originally written for DOS way back in '99 or so, so it was only natural it eventually ended up back on there.
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>>61200537
Give me the source, I'll compile it myself and try.
Try DOSBox, pretty much fully compatible, works there works anywhere.

>running binary blobs on your low level hardware access platform from 4chan
I like the smoke to stay inside the machine.
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>>61196316
That looks like a cool machine, more pics?
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>>61200880
I tested it in DOSbox already.
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>>61200537
Sure, .zip it and upload it somewhere probably.
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>>61201549
>swag bag
wut
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>>61201787

"Swag" meant "loot" for previous generations, mang.
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>>61186892
nah, LGR is pretty normie
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>>61186545
Goodwell and such stores or Dumpster dive.
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Does any of you guys actually have some old computers?
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>>61203303
A few. >>61186283 and >>61186312 for example.
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>>61203303
I fucking wish
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>>61203303
Yes
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>>61203303
Kinda?

>>61193399
My other one.
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>>61184801
here's my old compaq prolinea 450 with 486DX2 50MHz and 20 Mb of RAM
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>>61203402
Love the period correct webcam
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>>61203483
Nice!
But anon, your Winblows is full of slavrunes and chink cartoons!
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>>61203483
What's the green thing on the right? Knockoff handheld game? Pic?
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>>61203491
>See pic.
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>>61203368
So much UNIX!
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>>61203538
I have a few of these, kek
Where they really that bad? I actually used one for a while years ago
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>>61203483
Replace your anime wallpaper with this and tile it.
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>>61203531
a wireless gamepad for smartphones
>>61203509
of course it's full of slavrunes
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>>61203562
Yeah, they are. Wish I had a C920.
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>>61203574
I have a slavrune keyboard too, even though I'm shit at russian
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>>61203570
i prefer this one
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>>61203570
Dude, give me more ideas for patterns for my system 7.6 desktop. Full wallpapers hog it too much.
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>>61203584
it's my native language :<
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>>61203611
My native language is 68000 assembly.
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>>61203663
then mine is Z80
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>>61203687
That's a Pentium anon
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>>61203606
Look up "black light carpet" on Google Images. You'll see plenty of them.
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>>61203708
Sorry, I don't do acid anymore, any other ideas?
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>>61203730
Just use the default tile wallpapers that came with older versions of Windows.
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>>61203761
Default Windows wallpapers on a Macintosh? Kek
Maybe there are some nice ones, but as I remember most are too bright or distracting
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>>61203700
pic was unrelated, i'm just posting some hardware
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>>61203809
Those latter ISA value Sound Blaster cards are pure fucking shit
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>>61203828
why? AWE64 was a pretty good one
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>>61203896
Yes, AWE64 was, but yours is a AWE64 Value.
It's the same shit like Vibra 16 cards, (Value Sound Blaster 16).
It has most of the functions but suffers quality issues compared to their actual counterparts.

It's better than nothing, but far from comparable.
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>>61187448
what are the midi controllers above your keyboard anon?
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>>61203896
>>61203938
AWE64 has broken OPL2/3 simulation.
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>>61203708
I know this is a dumb question but, can someone make a proper tile wallpaper of this? I'm having a difficult time tiling it in MS Paint.
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>>61204164

You know GIMP is free and has a tool for that, right?
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>>61204183
I have GIMP as well, but what tool should I use for that?
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>>61204183
What the fuck is a gimp?
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>>61204232
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>>61204232

A dressmaker's tool, also archaic slang for something beautiful or well formed; later ironic slang for a crippled person; in S&M lingo a slave.

>>61204213

Ah hell, you're gonna make me load it up, aren't you. Hang on a minute, I'll see if I can find the tool for it.
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>>61204284

oh god, that's hilarious. I wonder if the guy who made that tried to submit it.
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>>61204106
Least of the worries of AWE cards, they used their sample based emu, that was their special feature.
Good quality Sound Blaster 1.0/2.0/Pro/16 and Adlib compatibility though, shitty OPL, but nice sample based Emu.

I use my AWE32 together with a separate Yamaha OPL3 card. Best of both worlds.
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>>61204213

Okay, it's under Filters-> Map-> Make Seamless.
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Guess the system guys
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>>61204317
It works, but the brightness is a little lower. Not really a big deal, but I could mess around with brightness and saturation.
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>>61204375
Much better.
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>>61204482
noice
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>>61204559
God
Damn
It

my eyes
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who do I call when my erection lasts way longer than 4 hours
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>>61204349
Nobody?
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>>61204594
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>>61204594
How fucking comfy is that

>>61204587
I can take them from you if you're complaining
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>>61204349
AIX
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>>61204617
god damnit, meant to say A/UX
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>>61204617
Pretty darn close, not as far down the phone book as IBM though
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>>61204597
dunno...xerox interfase?
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>>61204631
Kek, nice fail bro.
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>>61204644
The memory card in my camera gave up, forgive for the shitty quality tablet camera.
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Are UMPCs retro yet? I've been messing around with my Q1 Ultra lately and I could take some pics.
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>>61204672
Yes.
There are the Libretto and Lifebook machines.
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>>61203663
gb2/b, frogposter.
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>>61204559
Looks like these types of tile wallpapers work better at lower resolutions.
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I ordered a used iBook G4 off ebay for $15. It has an 800MHz PPC processor, 128MB of RAM, and no hard drive. I'm going to upgrade it to 1GB of RAM and pop in a 60GB SSD. I think I'll try to dual boot PPC Debian with AwesomeWM and OS X Tiger. Pic related is not the exact laptop but is similar.

What do you guys think?
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top, fucking, kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALgxTCEgqqw
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>>61204782

>Altair
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>>61204775
>What do you guys think?
Nice, have fun. But I think you can only go as far as a single 512MB RAM stick in it, so the 128MB version can be upgraded to 640MB and the 256MB version to 768MB.
I mostly use my iBook G4 for MorphOS as I have PowerMac G4's and a G5 for everything else.
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>>61204816
Nevermind, all is good, the 800MHz ones do support 1GB modules too. So you'll end up with 1152MB of RAM.
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>>61204816
The max RAM for this machine is a little more than 1GB. I checked the specs on a couple of websites. I'm not sure than the storage limit is but anything made after 2000 can handle 60GB just fine.
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>>61204775
Nice dude, we where supplied these back at my high school a decade ago. From Elementary lvl 6 all the way up to grade 4 at high school. Remember playing Neopets, later in high school some friends found a way to hack it and install our own software, we would play halo demo, quake, n64 emulator, battlefield 1942, good times. I later install dosbox and installed win 3.1 in dosbox and play old games. Our school installed a bunch of software that was way too heavy for it like garageband, shit would take minutes to load.
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>>61204775
>I ordered a used iBook G4 off ebay for $15.
>What do you guys think?
It's an alright deal I suppose. I got a G3 one a few years ago for $5, and I was wondering how to go about installing a more usable version of OS X on it, since 10.0 Cheetah is a piece of shit.

It also has OS 9.2 .2 on it, which is overall more useful.
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>>61204893
Nice. My first time using a computer was a Windows 98SE machine when I was 8 years old. I later used the all in one Macs with the CRT displays that ran Mac OS 9 and then later some early versions of OS X when the school bought update discs for them.

>>61204925
Find the newest version of OS X that'll run on it, download the ISO from the pirate bay, then burn it to a CD or DVD, boot, and install over the 10.0 partition, or wipe the whole drive and install.

If you have another Mac running OS X you can also use DMG files and burn them to discs with Disk Utility. If you're on Windows I think there's a program called TransMac that has a free trial period.

You can also write the images to flash drives but I don't know if the old Macs boot from USB.
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>>61196539
Lead melts.
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>>61205003
I have a .toast image of a copy of osx tiger PPC only, if anyone wants it, only issues is I'm leaving for work in 10mins.
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>>61205086
It's already up on TPB. Also how do you open a .toast file?
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>>61205108
Macintosh utility, I forget what it's called, burn it to a dvd. There seems to be a few guides to convert to iso.
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>>61205151
Oh. I've never used a .toast file for anything before.
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>>61205196
muh dik
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>>61205151
Toast Titanium

Toast Titaniums older versions on older OS X like Tiger can also mount the images are a physical disk instead of just mounting the image as a fake device and will let you play copy protected games
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>>61191408

Im coke guy but nice krystal
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>>61205169
it's a proprietary disc image format, not unlike nero's .nrg or poweriso's .daa
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>>61204685
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>>61205316
CUTE
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>>61192551
>I don't really have a need or any use for it though.
I'll take it.
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>>61204482
>>61204559
>>61204728
Here's a larger version
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>>61205225
>Supr Fin
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>>61206145
Why didn't I think of this one before?
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>>61207047
now that's comfy
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>>61204587
now that I'm back home I can finally test these motherfuckers out
the 548 is comfy as shit, fuck the iPAQ
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>>61207047
Thanks anon
You also solved my dilemma
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>>61207643
hopefully the Blaze Edition just takes an eternity to charge and I don't have to figure out how the fuck I'm going to replace or repack it
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>>61196601
>I probably have 50 boxes of 5.25" floppy drives.
GIMME
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>>61207702
and just as I posted that the meter finally came to life, get hype
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>>61207643
>>61207702
>>61207736
How damn nice, what are the specs of those?
I used to have a few Windows CE PDAs, like the HX4700, one of my all time favorites. Also another some noname brand one that was pretty fucking great for what it was worth, with a physical keyboard.
Still have a Palm somewhere with one of those green electroluminescent displays.
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>>61187057
my second or third computer was a Packard Bell, had it for a decent time, but it was mostly tucked away so I didn't look at it much
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>>61187448
I like it
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>>61207047
Sanic edition.
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>>61207854
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>>61207756
they're both SuperH based, the 420 is clocked at 100 MHz with 8 MB of RAM and the 528 at 133 MHz with 32 MB of RAM, not too bad, I think these are my first SH systems too

if I could find an HX4700 cheap enough I'd kill for it, best I'm running right now is a tricked out Axim X30 with a fuckton of accessories that's still surprisingly useful for what it is, other than my attachment to these things from wanting one pretty badly in my childhood they make really nice dedicated schedulers and offline financial trackers and are just fun to mess with in general
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>>61207891
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>>61192818
4chan on Internet Explorer over dial-up using an acoustic coupling modem
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>>61207912
and now I just remembered I can finally put this to work too
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>>61207912
I sold my HX4700 after years of use.
Learned so much about Linux development on ARM with it also.

The Axims are nice also, the Dell Axim X51 is probably one of the best PDAs together with the HX4700, specially with VGA out, etc. Really used to want one.

>>61207963
Sweet!
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>>61207924
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>>61207702
why do people always sell these without the charger?
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>>61208087
Lost the charger?
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>>61208031
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>>61208111
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>>61208139
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>>61207643
Install Loonix on them, you should be able to do so without touching the internal memory.
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>>61208175
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>>61208216
Last one.
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>>61208260
>Last one.
Thank God.


...just kidding
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>>61208284
Those images prove could literally make tile wallpapers of anything.
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>>61186312
Nice Gravis.
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>>61186312
I've seen one of those gamepads at a Salvation Army once. Too bad I didn't get it.
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>>61208298
As I said, just kidding.
They are great. Thanks.
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>>61208340
I knew you were.
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>>61208312
>>61208332
Thanks, found it in a box in my relatives store who sells all kinds of crap for 2 bucks a while ago, came with the screw on joystick.
All those dreams from way back of owning one when playing Jazz, even if it's not the bestest of gamepads.
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>>61208380
It would be better if the stick was a little shorter.
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>>61207987
I have my mum's X51v on a shelf she stopped using it when she got a smartphone, and that was when she got a new iPhone 3GS a few months after release.
I used it for a bit before I got a smartphone and having something that I could watch videos, browse the internet, play bubble burster, and do the occasional email.

It's not really useful any more because it won't connect to WPA2 networks which is sort of annoying. I looked at installing Linux on it but all I remember was that it would be extremely complicated and basic things like the backlight didn't work.
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>>61208414
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>>61198395
will do

>>61187679
true, now I wonder how effective it really is lel

>>61204094
Midi keyboard to quickly punch in melodies when I have them in my mind and some midi faders above it for fader fun when the idea involves some more active sound fuckery

>>61207796
coolio
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>>61204094
oh and they're Korg Nanokeys
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>>61208415
oh yeah, my dad also had an iPAQ that he had for years. The standout feature of that was the fact it almost survived going in the washing machine twice. After the first time the battery life went to shit, and after the second the touchscreen fucked up, but it was still useable until he could get another
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>>61204782
>has to buy a new cpu to update the bios
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>>61197230
EGA supported 16 colors, along with some other older standards
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>>61208565
I wish motherboard manufacturers these days added BIOS updates to their newer motherboards.
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>>61208611
Yeah, but EGA displays from mid 90's? Pretty weird.
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>>61207987
the X51 looks really nice, I'm with you, probably gonna be one of my next acquisitions
>>61208198
gonna probably grab a MIPS handheld for that, the built in suite on the HPs are nice anyway, WinCE is quite decent as it is
>>61208415
yeah the WPA thing fucks me too, but you can always play with fire and set up a guest network that handles logins through the browser or something, that's what I did with my X30 for a while
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>>61204559
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>>61208639
Unfortunately my router is an ISP one that is pretty "no fun allowed*, and that it sounds quite a bit out of my skill level
I'll do a bit of googling though and see what I can come up with. Thanks.
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>>61208639
WEP with a MAC filter should be good too
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>>61208639
>gonna probably grab a MIPS handheld for that
IIRC distros like Debian had better ARM support then MIPS
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>>61186836
>have a tool
>the tool works
>LOL WHY DON'T YOU UPGRADE TO NEW TOOL

???
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>>61208747
LOL NORMIES
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>>61208747

I know, right? If that's the guy I'm thinking of, he uses it for balancing tires. As long as that thing continues running, an "upgrade" would just be throwing money away for no reason.
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>>61208782
Honestly, if I don't need the processing power of a modern PC, I'd rather use something like a C64 if possible. A minimal OS that will never interfere with your running program or destabilize the system all on its own. Can't say that about Windows or most flavors of Linux.
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>>61208835
We need operating systems without proper memory management again, so devs can't be lazy fucking assholes with their software again because nobody want's to use software that crashes the whole system.
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>>61208679
i wonder if it's possible with a shader or whatever, to make a video game render like that
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>>61208973
http://www.leweyg.com/download/SIRD/q2/
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>>61208990
>quake
i should have guessed. i've even seen someone shoehorn that game on a vector display

the depth information he has is pretty poor though, i can see each 'layer' very distinctly
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>>61209022
>i've even seen someone shoehorn that game on a vector display
Yes, it's neato

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIdiHh6mW58
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>>61208706
might be able to buy an old shitty linksys router or something and piggyback it off of your current one, if that even works, I've never tried it
>>61208722
bet you're right, it's more just because the candidate I'm looking at is MIPS
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>>61209202
>it's more just because the candidate I'm looking at is MIPS
What would that be?
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>>61209202
>if that even works, I've never tried it
Yes, you can just use it as a standalone wireless router

Linksys ones are good, lots of options with custom firmware
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>>61208973
magic carpet did that.
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>>61208860
the main reason they do have proper memory management is that that stopped being the case
a large portion of the "instability" of the Windows 9x line was from the massive amount of software out that didn't necessarily play well with other software, different hardware and drivers, or different versions and configurations of Windows
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>>61209390
you'll need to be more specific
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>come across new manufacture wavetable cards on ebay
>my SB16 has a wavetable header

Should I?

>>61204782
>>61208565
Shit like this makes me glad I have a rom programmer and a set of SOIC clips for those soldered-in fucks.
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>>61209654
Do you mean the Dreamblaster? Because that's the best new wavetable card there is.

Then yes, you totally should.
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>>61209683
Fuck yeah impulse purchase
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>>61209716
It's 30€ on their site, don't get ripped of on eBay if it's more expensive than that.
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i keep most of my shit pretty retro
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>>61209753
Is that your daily driver? Sleeper?
That's a 10/10 case
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>>61209683
>best new wavetable card
also, uh, the only new wavetable card.
anyone remember when that chinese guy on ebay had thousands of DB60XGs for like $20?
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>>61209760
>Is that your daily driver? Sleeper?
yes, i use it for personal stuff, it was my work computer but i changed it over
i now have a better more disposable computer for work
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/g/uise i need your help. i have an old mechanical keyboard (it must be early 90s) with aristotle cherry mx clones switches. But even though most of the keys are ok, some keys dont respond every time even though the click sound occurs. If i apply more pressure to the specific keys then there is a higher chance that they will work. Also i may add that at first some other keys had the same problem but it stopped and now other keys have this problem. Any help appreciated especially since mechanical keyboard fags on /g/ are not helpful.
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>>61209745
Well shit, there's two of them.
The X2 is more than twice as expensive with a bigger PCB and way more components.
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>>61209820
throw it out and buy a model m
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>>61209840
If you really only want to use it on your SB16 you won't need the X2. The S2 will do everything you need. With the same quality.
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>>61209871
>dem soundbanks
>dat tweakability
ofuk I dunno I can't control myself
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>>61209842
Model M is a meme, unless you have an AT or clone, throw the Model M into the bin, it's not even an actual full mechanical keyboard.

>>61209820
Clean it? Every key, one by one, pressure air, contract cleaner and q-tips.
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>>61209882
True, I always used my AWE32 for soundfonts though. So the X2 didn't appeal to me that much, more as just a dedicated General MIDI synth.
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>>61209884
Well i have done this already. I removed the keycaps and i used dust cleaner while holding the switch down and then i pured a bit of rubbing alcohol to it (again while pressing it down) but it didn't change anything. Do you mean to dissasembly the whole switch ?
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>>61209884
model M is a buckling spring right hows that not mechanical?
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>>61210039
>Do you mean to disassemble the whole switch ?
Yes and get actual contact cleaner. Like R-11.
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>>61210044
Model M is a buckling spring membrane keyboard...
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>>61209910
Between this and a TS-100 soldering iron for my trunk toolbox I think I'm about spent.
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>>61210064
...it does not have a actual fully mechanical switch inside it
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>>61210051
Well i am a total noob with this kind of things. I guess that i have to desolder the faulty switches in order to disassemble them ? Also do you have any pictures or some kind of guide to dissasemble this kind of switch ? thanks again
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>>61209745
Why the fuck does their site charge VAT if you're not even in the EU?
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>>61210064
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>>61203368
impressive.
do you have a list of what you have?
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>>61209842
Also i can't find any model m over here (europoor) and the ones on ebay are very expensive with the shipping charges.
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>>61210086
Google. I have no idea what switches or how your keyboard is build, just go slow and use your head. It's obviously dirty contacts and you have to clean them, rest is up to you.
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>>61210089
No idea, I'm in the EU.
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>>61209775
>anyone remember when that chinese guy on ebay had thousands of DB60XGs for like $20?
Shit, first time hearing about that
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>>61210064

To be fair, the "mechanical keyboard" feel that most people prefer is more about the action of the keys than the type of switches it uses. That is, people like the Model M because of the springs feel nice.
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>>61210092
Still a good keyboard. It's just not some magical unicorn keyboard.
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>>61196472
Sara is having a bad time.
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>>61210149
I think the switch is this one:
https://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Aristotle_Cherry_MX_clone_--_disassembled.jpg
In addition is there a way to clean scratchy alps clones ? (i mean they work but when you press the keys you can feel it)
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>>61210165
Yeah, they charge VAT even if you're from burgerland. Time for another fucking tea party.
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>>61210183
I'd say it's still a mechanical board despite the membrane. It's a mechanism that actuates and actually closes the contacts. You aren't pushing the membrane together or squashing a conductive pad against contacts yourself; a mechanical flipper is doing it.
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>>61210183
>>61210330
It's not fully mechanical, it's just a spring that pushes on the membrane after you apply a certain force to the key instead of just a straight plastic stub from the key or a rubber dome with a conductive underside that falls onto two contacts.

The meme mechanical keyboard world is dumb as fuck. I'd call shit as they are, rubber done, buckling spring with membrane, buckling spring with contacts, contact switch, etc.
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>>61210077
what does that even mean? lots of "mechanical switch" keyboards use membranes
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I found this Zenith Data Systems Z-Note Flex in my uni's ewaste bin recently

486 with 8mb of ram

gonna see if I can fix it up like the contura 3/25
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>>61210430
A switch is an actual switch, it has metal contacts not a membrane.There where many keyboards like that, like some Amiga and Apple II keyboards, Model F and M are not one of those. They are buckling spring keyboards with the part that registers the press and has the contacts on a PCB or membrane. /mkg/ is just autism.
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>>61210435
That's a big laptop
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>>61210461
>A switch is an actual switch, it has metal contacts not a membrane.
I think you're the one with the autism
I thought you were nitpicking on the word "mechanical", but you went even dumber
electrically, anything that opens and closes a circuit is a switch
every keyboard has to have switches of some kind, otherwise it won't work
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>>61207654
Nice Trinitron CRT. Is that a color classic?
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>>61210535
14" Macintosh Color Display on a Quadra 650
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>>61210529
Sorry, forgot to say, independent switch*

As you ously could tell what my point was for referencing others being on a PCB with contacts or membrane and posting that picture.
Sorry if you're a diehard /mkg/ fag and I pissed you off.
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http://files.mpoli.fi/software/
Found this site while looking for useful DOS and Windows programs. Looks like a good repository for drivers and programs. Kind of fun to sift through.
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>>61210603
That seems quite nice indeed, thanks for sharing
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>>61210578
Nice. I'm jelly.
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>>61210650
Thanks.
I recently also got an external SCSI box for it it I had been searching for quite a while.
Internal drive for Mac OS and external for A/UX, easy to dual boot also with just leaving the external one off if I don't want to boot into A/UX.
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>>61210594
no it's the opposite, I've never had a mechanical keyboard, but I've done the research and I know every switch except for Hall effect and other weird shit puts object A in contact with object B, and "mechanical" in common keyboard terms basically means "not rubber domes", and if you want to be anal about it, "not rubber domes or domes with sliders or normal springs"
buckling springs develop a catch in them that gives tactile feedback, a bump to get over, and a click noise, three crucial elements to a mechanical keyboard
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>>61210669
>computer case matches the horizontal curvature of the Trinitron display
Such a work of art.
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>>61210708
I know right?
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>>61210705
and yes I know the audible click isn't as crucial as the other two
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>>61210705
/mkg/ is autism. I couldn't care less what it's fags rage about or use their hipster terminology for.
As I said, >>61210354, call shit how it is. But at least use the right terms when referring to something as "mechanical", as historically keyboards with switches like Alps have been known as "mechanical", while the Model F and M have always been buckling spring keyboards.
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>>61210782
>/mkg/ is autism. I couldn't care less what it's fags rage about or use their hipster terminology for.
OK? did you not read my post? I'm not from /mkg/, I don't go to /mkg/, this is what I've picked up from other threads and various YouTube channels
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>>61210895
I hear those Topre mechanical keyboards are the bee's knees.
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>>61203303
I have pic related sitting in storage, alongside a couple Pentium systems (75 and 100 MHz), a couple late 90s HP Pavilion desktops and a HP Pavilion laptop from 2000.
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>>61210895
But its basically the same shit, under /mkg/ Im talking about its people
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>>61211251
>DEC
Muh dik
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>>61211276
*muh dec
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>>61207643
Read the great works of western literature on them
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>>61211251
have you tried installing windows 2000 on it?

https://winworldpc.com/product/windows-nt-2000/rc-2
(second download, release candidate 2, alpha version)
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>>61184801
New /retro/ thread when?
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>>61212090
Next week
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>>61186892
https://twitter.com/lazygamereviews/status/836717016434290688
I'm not sure how far meme arrows have actually spread but it's a solid possibility at least
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>>61212136
Everyone and their grandmother have been to 4chan at least once, most just don't stay because of the "toxic" environment, not that most other websites are all that better these days.
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