/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>61169012
>7700k

>>61169055
Has it's place in there and no shitposting will change that.

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>>61169073

>>61169073
You will not slide this board, Shekelstein.

>~4 year old r9 270 died
>then 250$ cards now cost 500+ because of ethereum fags
It's also hard to find second hand cards. Even the 1060 gets the crypto price bump. Hope they dump a whole lot of stock on the market to sort this fuckery out, because using onboard video is cancer, and I'm not paying 500 bucks for a 250 card.

>>61169343
tfw got an R9 280 but everyone is selling theirs at 100€~ on ebay so i can't make a profit
i hope ETC will crash again but harder this time

>>61169012
Two questions:
Why not R5 1600X?

Then, is the 1600 overclockable to 4.0GHz or is this silicon lotery?

Bonus question: is X370 overkill for a R5, cause I was thinking to get the Crosshair due to its AM3 mounting holes that would make me able to keep using my 212X verticaly, the AM4 adapter for the cooler only let me use it horizontaly wich would fuck up my airflow since my GPU is open air. I ask this also known that where I live the price diference of a B350 to a X370 isnt that big, I loved the MSI Tomahawk(b350) wich would be perfect but I would also have to spend money on a CPU cooler. And I hope AMD keep their word on supporting AM4 for a long period so I can keep the mobo and RAM if I want to switch CPU.

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>>61169343
ASUS and Saphire are launching cards for mining(!). Some of then don't even have output.

I just want 8GB of VRAM :(

>>61170604
R5 1600x only provides higher clocks, but when both are overclocked to their limits the difference is between 200 - 300MHz at the very worst. We're talking about 6 cores at 3.8GHz (in the worst case), very few people benefit from the higher frequency.

>Then, is the 1600 overclockable to 4.0GHz or is this silicon lotery?
Silicon lottery indeed, neither 1600 or 1600x go higher than 4.1GHz though.

>Bonus question: is X370 overkill for a R5, cause I was thinking to get the Crosshair due to its AM3 mounting holes that would make me able to keep using my 212X verticaly
Getting anexpensive motherboard to fit your cooler when you can buy a $100 motherboard with a new (and better) cooler seems to make more sense to me as it seems cheaper, how much is the crosshair priced where you live?

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Anyone got one of these? Seems like it would be more popular imo

>>61170676
What for?

>>61170683
>Seems like it would be more popular
As someone who cares about both noise and temperatures, big heatsink + fan is much more appealing to me any time of the day.

I already own every part except for mobo ram cpu and case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gbk9HN

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Can somebody please recommend an SSD for my mid-range build?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/THHF6X
My budget's £70

>>61170717
I'd get 12GB (3x4GB) because 8GB might not be enough for some games so it'll end up using the pagefile causing performance drop or even slight stutter at times.

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>>61169343
I feel you brah. Only thing that's going to sort it out is more supply and another crypto dip to spook out the normies and normie miners. I'm having a hard time finding more used 1070's on CL. PROTIP : don't ever bother with ASUS owners. They're literally the worst kind of people who think their used stuff is worth 90+% of MSRP.

Is Nvidia a reliable brand of graphics card?
When I say reliable, I'm talking about shelf-life and durability against wear and tear.

>>61170728
>i5 7500
Why get a more expensive worse CPU? It would provide higher average FPS in non-CPU intensive games than a 1500x, but would get stutter + quite lower FPS + 100% usage or near in any CPU intensive game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE
Here's a modified list:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xFjMHN
Motherboard allows for overclocking by the way, if you feel like it.

>>61170766
>durability against wear and tear.
That's entirely dependent on the components in there, and that itself is entirely dependent on the manufacturers (Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, etc etc) as they all put custom components in there.
But i'd assume Nvidia cards in general last longers because they don't get the same temperature increase when starting a game than AMD ones (as they are quite a lot more efficient): sudden temperature increase or decrease is what wears out hardware the most.

>>61170781
Oh no, I'm not going to be using it for modern AAA games at 4k or anything like that. It's mostly going to be for emulation and last-gen games with lots of mods. I asked that a few threads ago and was told that was the best investment-return CPU.

And thanks for the recommendation

>>61170806
Yeah, I was told to avoid AMD like the plague. And temperature is obviously a concern but if it got to be a recurring problem I could always just disassemble my rig and put in a fan splitter for extra cooling.

>>61170835
don't go with Intel.

>>61170835
Ah, emulation and last-gen games will indeed run better on the i5 then.

>>61170847
>Yeah, I was told to avoid AMD like the plague.
Whoever told you this doesn't know what he is talking about and is probably emotionally invested in brands / a fanboy. AMD cards are good even though they aren't as power efficient than Nvidia ones, and should be considered just as much as Nvidia for choosing a GPU. Temperature isn't a problem with them, it's higher indeed than Nvidia cards but it's not a problem by any mean.

Reposting my last question from the last thread because I didn't get an answer before it archived :

>Yeah i think the 6600k is pretty fine right now, I mean I just have to get a mobo because mine fried :^)

>I can get a mobo that runs both types, then I'll sell it and get a 7700K eventually, what do you think of that then? Sounds reasonable?

>>61170903
z170 can run both as long as it has a recent bios update
Going 7700k is very cost inefficient and you'd be better off upgrading to coffee-lake if that ends up hitting LGA 1151.

>>61170936

well, let's hope that it will, then, otherwise i'll have wasted 200$ for nothing

>>61170903
>I just have to get a mobo because mine fried
Oh sorry I hadn't read that.

Well think it in terms of $. You're sitting on a 150$ worth of cpu.

>An i7 7700k entire build is 300$ more.
>A 1600 entire build is 130$ more.
>A 6600k build (you getting a mobo) is 140?$ more for what you already had, plus OC i guess. But do you have a good cooler already?
Then in 1-2 years you're gonna buy a 7700k for around 160-180$ optimistically and have spent: total 300$.

So as you can see the other 2 options are just as valid, and superior.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vJcs7h
Still unsure about the RAM compability and if I could get a better GPU for a Freesync 1440 Display

>>61170974
Whoops wrong link https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zr4Tf8

>>61170966

Yeah I do have a good cooler already.

I just wanna know what motherboard would be good, to be honest. I know absolutely nothing about them.

>>61170974
>f I could get a better GPU for a Freesync 1440 Display
Well there's always the Fury X but those are all sold out and run pretty hot / use a lot of power, and gaming Vega's releasing end of this month but it doesn't look very promising
No idea about how good/bad Team Dark's RAM is though

>>61171045
>I just wanna know what motherboard would be good
Something like a Asus - Z170 PRO GAMING would be good, but if i were you i'd see how much i could sell the 6600k for and go for an R5 1600 + msi b350 pc-mate or such as i doubt it would be that expensive and any future upgrade would not need a new motherboard, even in 2018 - early 2019

>>61171107

I don't have the time for that sadly, I only have a week's time and won't be able to find any sellers, but I appreciate the suggestion

>>61171107
> i'd see how much i could sell the 6600k for

Yep, as shown putting off the upgrayd even on the 7700k path is just spending the same money but later, because the 7700k future depreciation/accessibility is compensated by his 6600k's value plummeting anyways.

On that socket you won't ever get any better.

So it means waiting for the sake of wiaiting.

If we compute the value of missed potential performance from having used a 7700k already for the next 2 years, the choice is catastrophically bad.

In layman's terms:

>A)spend 300$ now, enjoy a product for the next 2 years and over
>B)spend the same 300$ in 2 tranches and have to use a much inferior product for the next 2 years for no reason

>>61170893
High temperature means more power draw. AMD cards constant come in hotter with more power draw than Nvidia cards of the same real world performance.

>>61171159
More power draw means higher heat output*
>AMD cards constant come in hotter with more power draw than Nvidia cards of the same real world performance.
Yes, that's what i said but no: the performances aren't the same across the board. As an example, AMD consumer cards tend to be better at compute than similarly priced Nvidia cards, and see much bigger gains from newer API (DX12/Vulkan) than Nvidia cards.

>>61171157

I play only 60 hz 1080p and have litterally no need for an upgrade other than maybe the GPU because it's a 3.5 memebox.
Everything runs at 55 fps minimum.

whats the probability that a Z170 mobo will be shipped with the latest update that supports kaby lake?

>>61171248
very unlikely considering they stopped the production of most z170 when kaby-lake released and went to do z270 instead

>>61171248

close to none, 99% of motherboards ship without drivers

>>61171081
I've had some problems with temperature before so I guess i'll go with the 580. The QVL list doesn't help me either because they just list the product codes and I don't want to check 300 different links

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>>61171201
>Everything runs at 55 fps minimum.
No it doesn't.

>>61171260
What? CPU support is handled by the BIOS, not drivers. All Z170 boards have a BIOS update which allows Kaby Lake support. Later production runs of them came with that out of the box, but getting one would be a total lottery.

It's rather irrelevant anyway when you can just buy a Celeron G3900 from Amazon, update the BIOS with it and then return it.

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>he fell for the 4c/4t meme

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Anyone have any idea when 1070 prices are going to stop being so shitty?

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what can I do with that? direct to trash?

>>61171500
The R9 280 is still a decent card but yeah, the CPU will need to go to power up a new GPU or to avoid stutters in games
Can keep the SSD and throw a hard drive in there
So would need to change CPU + mobo + RAM, and the rest is if you feel like to but you'll need a hard drive regardless

>>61171500
Buy a 2600K and overclock it. I'm using a 2600K at 4.6GHz with a 1080 and it's fantastic.

>>61171531
He absolutely doesn't need to change the motherboard or RAM.

>>61171454
When coin mining stops being a thing.

>>61171531
ssd was just some cheap thing to install win10 on it. so, the only thing to keep is the gpu. thought so.

>>61171542
this is my old system on the way out. just interested if something is still worth something.

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>>61171557
>so, the only thing to keep is the gpu. thought so.

That's completely wrong though. He's giving you shit advice. There is literally nothing wrong with that system, even for a modern gaming rig, besides the CPU which can easily be swapped out. A 2600K will still drive any graphics card out there just fine with an overclock, especially when you only have a 60Hz monitor anyway.

Any Sandy Bridge owner considering paying current prices for new parts for a 15% performance boost is fucking nuts.

>>61171542
You want him to invest even more in an LGA 1155 system just because you like it? What the fuck man, just because you're fine with that doesn't mean everyone should do it

>>61171670
Are you fucking retarded? He could upgrade that system to a state where he could put any graphics card he likes in it for $120, or he could pay hundreds for an entirely new system for a marginal performance increase. Why are you recommending the latter as the smart option, you stupid fucking cunt piece of shit with down syndrome?

Nobody would recommend you actually go out and buy a whole Sandy Bridge system in 2017, but he already has the fucking thing. A good motherboard. 16GB of DDR3. A fantastic base for a great machine. And you're recommending he throw it all out and buy some massively-inflated DDR4, a new motherboard and a new CPU that's barely faster than one he could drop into his current setup.

Why? Why are you so fucking stupid?

>>61171649
>Any Sandy Bridge owner considering paying current prices for new parts for a 15% performance boost is fucking nuts.
True.
Only difference is going from corelet to king of corelets.
i5 to i7 switch.

The rest is basically achievable via OC and faster DDR3 ram for a few bux.

>>61171720
>Nobody would recommend you actually go out and buy a whole Sandy Bridge system in 2017
Actually,
it makes sense when you find entire systems out there for the price of a single Z270 mobo senpai.
Intelcuks be upgrayding to i7 7700k all the time now, so Sandy Bridge i5 and also some i7 systems are quite cheap now.

Daily reminder that Miners need to be hanged.

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>>61171720
You sure are angry anon. Maybe you should take a break.
A 2600k would require him not only to get the thing in itself, but also a CPU cooler and potentially a new PSU in there considering he already has a power hungry GPU, and old PSU and would need be overclocking. That's already a lot to consider and worry about, much different than the simple "just swap the CPU!" you make it out to be. That's already quite the investment he'd be doing, so why not get something more reliable like a fresh R5 1600 with b350 mobo that could be overclocked in the future when you do need the performance instead?
You need to drink a glass of milk, anon.

>>61171751
>Daily reminder that Miners need to be hanged.

Why, because they made your manchild hobby termporarily slightly more expensive?

Can I expect any drop in Ryzen/Kaby Lake prices in a month?

>>61171720
>>61171781
interesting. so I might give it to some poor anon. I already bought a new system anyway.

>>61171295

I have a 6600k you retard, I know how it runs games better than your stupid charts does.

kys

>>61172233

>take out of context chart that has every settings maxed including the useless ones
>no context about what rest of the config is
>avg fps is far above 50
>"HURRR 6600K IS SHIT"

I'd tell you to kill yourself but at least you have a job as an intel shill

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>>61172393
>intel shill
did you use the wrong word?

fuck *ntel and fuck good performance

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>>61172393
>no context about what rest of the config is

Are you this stupid or just trolling now?
Go look up CPU benches for i5s, they're absolute shit in lots of games nowdays as far as MINIMUM FPS go (you can't even read a chart).

And all these benchs were done with fucking 1080tis you nincompoop.

>you have a job as an intel shill

This doesn't even make any sense, are you braindead

>>61172470

>have 6600k and 970
>runs at 75 fps avg
>retard tells me it should run lower than that because intel told him so
>somehow he's right and i'm wrong
>???

>>61172470

who cares about minimum fps ? A 2 second drop of fps doesn't matter if the avg is fine

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If you had 1000 - 1500 USD to spend on a PC build right this instant, what would you buy? (no need for monitor or peripherals)

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>>61172587
tech illiterate corelet be so mad he reported all my posts.

>runs at 75 fps avg
Sweetie, 0.1% LOW FPS=/=1% LOW FPS=/=AVERAGE FPS

As the chart itself says.

>retard tells me it should run lower than that because intel told him so
You do realize you're even imagining things by now?
Nobody ever said anything remotely similar to this. Re-read the comment chain.


All charts are from here btw sweetie:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/

But other tech sites report the same

>>61170696
>What for?
For fucking your disgusting hairy asshole now never EVER ask me another retarded question again you literal nigger

>>61172655

>reported all my posts

stopped reading right there

>>61172616
>who cares about minimum fps ?
People who want a good, stable, gaming experience?

Of course you're free to game on whatever you wish, even a 2c/2t cpu, or even a Pentium 4.

However this is /pcbg/ and we have to objective and report facts, especially since people you know BUY PCs based on our recommendations.

>>61172646
R5 1600 + GTX 1070 & 250GB SSD is what i'd buy

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>>61172661
why do you have to be mean anon, i was just wondering

>get new rig
>Install botnet 10
>4gb patch starts downloading instantly
:^)))))))

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Recently I've switched my computer case. Now a problem occured: my be quiet tower cooler doesn't really cool my cpu efficiently anymore. I tried reapplying thermal paste 3 times, evenly tightening screws and such to the point that I'm sure that these aren't the issue.

Is it possible that the metal surface of the CPU lid or the cooler has been damaged so that it isn't even enough for the thermal paste to accommodate for it? Would using fine sand paper on either of them likely fix the issue, or does anyone else have any suggestions on this?

>>61172721
case? cooling? Mb? ram?

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>>61172688
>stopped reading right there

It's ok sweetie.
When you grow up eventually, you'll realize "winning arguments" is a meme.
What matters is being helpful to others, so that onlookers get the truth, not muh feels.


So tl;dr
>don't buy i5s, a Sandy Bridge i7 is better for gaymen

>>61172734
I'm sorry anon, my wife's boyfriend beat me up again today so I had to vent somewhere.

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>>61172826
Oh so you weren't wondering the level of performance you'd get with $1000 - $1500 but was just asking other people to make the build for you, well don't count on it

>>61172864
Yes I would like an idea for a build, I just figured someone would already have an idea for what build they would do with X amount of dosh

>One complaint among a subset of reviewers, however, was that Ryzen processors fell behind their Intel counterparts when running older games, or running certain newer games at mainstream resolutions such as 720p or 1080p.

JUST

>>61172804
I don't think you would damage it unless you hit it hard. Maybe look at your OS first? check you don't have any viruses or miners. Also live boot any linux distro and install "cpuburn" to see if it's not just the windows botnet.

>>61172846

If you had read what I was saying from the start you'd have realized that I bought the i5 long ago and I'm wishing the replace the mobo, not to spend 300$ in a 15% average increase that would be nowhere near as efficient as a 1070 that would give me much more.
But that's okay, at least you're being "helpful" lmao

>>61172846

>i7 is better for gaming

Uh, no.

The i7 series are far more expensive than i5s and are generally used for 3D rendering and editing, they're overpriced compared to i5s.

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>>61172923
Jewtube "[X] dollar Ryzen build" and get a feel muh negro. Tons of vids.

Then go on pcpartpicker.com, make a basic build to your preference, and then come back here for a final touch.

>>61172938
I do mine myself, but it definitely isn't that. When my CPU is idle, the temp is normal around 35 deg C.
When I turn on prime95 to stresstest, the temp jumps to 80 to 88 deg C. Even if there was malware on my system, the temp shouldn't reach such levels with this cooler, even if the CPU is used 100%.

>>61172950
>If you had read what I was saying from the start you'd have realized that I bought the i5 long ago and I'm wishing the replace the mobo

Yes you've been shitting up the thread all day with your inane teen insecurity.
Other anons told you more than once what to do but then you kept on bitching,
and then finally threw an hissy fit bc someone pointed out your CPU might have some problems in minimum fps and went on a sperging spree like the 15yo corelet you are.

SAD.

>my mobo broke
>buy a new one

DON'T ruin /pcbg/ with your childish irrational retardation pls.

>>61172826

I would go for an gigabyte b350, 8gb 3000mhz vengance ram expand later only if you need it, stock cooling, 550w psu, and 50 megabytes of raw power.

>>61173005

>don't ruin m-my thread!!
>goes on autistic spree for 10+ posts ranting about stuff he was never asked about in the first place

A+ anon, you sure are making this thread a better place

>>61173050
>goes on autistic spree for 10+ posts ranting about stuff he was never asked about in the first place

You're imagining things again.
I only posted the one oregano chart and the last 3 posts in response to your teen angst.

You're been here, what? 8 hours now asking about buying a motherboard you were already set on buying in the first place because you need validation.

What cesspool of a board do you come from anyway

>>61172974
Still some malware may hide until you stress the cpu, that's why I recommend stressing cpu outside windows.

Are you OC'ing? I would put everything on stock default settings

I need to build a new rig but I've always went intel and I'm wary of buying into ryzen. A lot of product reviews for the motherboards make it sound like its a crapshoot whether you can oc or get your ram to run at the proper frequency.

Also, windows 10 is not an option and it sounds like there are compatibility issues with ryzen/kaby lake with windows 7. What do?

>>61173300
>Also, windows 10 is not an option and it sounds like there are compatibility issues with ryzen/kaby lake with windows 7

W7 Unblock Update Kaby-Lake / Ryzen
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19

Drivers to USB drive:
https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port
(That or Asus's EZInstaller)

I Will Ask In This Thread As Well.
Serious Question Which AMD Processor Is Best For These Games?
Arma 3/DayZ, Skyrim, Elite Dangerous, H1Z1, Rust, Ark, Cities:Skylines, and GTA 5?

>>61173322

Thanks for that. Now I need to know what am4 motherboard is worth a damn because all the asus boards have shit reviews and the rest of the brands are a mixed bag. Asus has never failed me but it looks like their am4 boards are having a lot of problems.

>>61173360
Asrock

>>61173300
Depends if you need 60fps games, 120fps games, 4k, 2k, 1080p?

>>61173334
the non AMD i7 7700k

>>61173334
the more expensive one

>>61173334
R5 1600 is the best value and has plenty of power

>>61173395
>i7 7700k
AMD At 4.0Ghz What Performance To Expect Versus 7700K? Thanks In Advances.

>>61173392

I recently snagged a rx 570 for $210 and I only have a 60hz1080p monitor that I probably won't be upgrading very soon.

>>61173455
>R5 1600 is the best value and has plenty of power
What Is Your Experience In Performance For These Games With The R5 1600?

>>61173334
Why Do You Write Like That?
An R5 1600x would be the best for those as you'd see no gain with a 1700 and the 1700x and 1800x are quite a lot more expensive. Additionally, most of the games you quoted don't scale well from more cores and threads.

Planning on getting a 1700x, Asrock x370 Taichi and G.Skill 16gb Flare X 3200mhz. Haven't heard much about the Ryzen performance since their latest updates though. Is anyone with completely satisfied with their Ryzen 7 set up since the latest BIOS updates?

>>61173502
>Capitalising At The Start Of Each Word In 2017

>>61173590
He's obviously not a native english speaker.

>>61173539
>Why Do You Write Like That?
I Don't Understand.
>An R5 1600x would be the best for those as you'd see no gain with a 1700 and the 1700x and 1800x are quite a lot more expensive.
What Performance Should I Expect To Witness With R5 1600? I Am Not Afraid To Overclock.
>Additionally, most of the games you quoted don't scale well from more cores and threads.
This Is Why I Am Not Afraid To Overclock. 4.0Ghz Is Easy For All AMD Processors.

>>61173616
Why do you capitalize the first letter of each sentence?

>>61173635
***First letter of each word

Fuck

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I'm planning on a build pretty soon, i'm almost illiterate about /g/ stuff so no bully pls.
Here i made these 2 builds by lurking and watching some reviews, wich one is better? What should i change?

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/BiggusDickus/saved/hghCJx

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/BiggusDickus/saved/2gzycf

>>61173668
>amd
that one

>>61173616
>4.0Ghz Is Easy For All AMD Processors.
That's false. Bulldozer (FX) AMD CPUs could indeed clock really well, but Ryzen cannot. There is a hard limit for Ryzen of 4.1GHz (although it can be overcome with LN2 cooling), but even then the majority of X CPUs (1600x, 1700x) clock to 4.0, and the majority of non-X ones (1600, 1700) clock up to 3.8 - 3.9GHz with a lot of voltage.

>What Performance Should I Expect To Witness With R5 1600?
That's a pretty hard question to answer, check benchmarks of the 1600 in the games you listed on youtube to know the answer.

>>61173668
>https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/BiggusDickus/saved/hghCJx
It seems pcpartpicker doesn't work in Italy as it just redirects you to Amazon everytime.
You should use something like
>Taocomputer.eu

As far as your first build goes:
>Asrock mobo over MSI
>get an ssd in there
>monitor blows a**
>that gpu is not in stock and it's not guaranteed you'll get one even in the 2-4 weeks declared time on Amazon

>>61173668
the second build you linked is utter garbage so scrap it

>>61173668
The 1600 build is superior in every way, mostly because the i5 one is poorly done but the 1600 is still in itself a much better CPU than any i5 and especially the lower-end ones. You might want to get a freesync screen to go along unless the ones in the 120€~ price range are shit.

>>61173635
>>61173650
It Is On Habbit. I Apologise For Looking Like A Madman Friend.
AMD Processors Are Cheap For Me This Weekend. I Can Buy In California A R5 1600 For 214.99$ This Weekend. Motherboards Are Very Cheap If I Buy Combined As Well. My Games Are Mostly What I Have Said.

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>>61169012
I need some help /pcbg/, I don't know enough about the breadth of cases to make the best choice for myself.

I have a fairly strange combination of parts from my old build that I'd like to put together into a SFF case. Because at the time I didn't think that I'd want to build an SFF PC, the sizes of each component are really inconvenient.

I want to accomplish this conversion as cheaply as possible, and with as small a case as possible (I'm going to be travelling with it and have it in my hand luggage.)

The parts I already have are:
12" GTX 770
Core i7-6700
Mini-itx motherboard
More than enough fans of each type
Big CPU cooler (don't mind getting a smaller one since they're cheap - cooling isn't a problem with an i7-6700 really.)

I really wanted a Silverstone SG13 as my new case. It's just the right size, it supports the standard size PSU I already have, and it has enough space for all my 2.5" drives and so on. My problem is my GTX 770 (which I got from ebay very cheaply) is 12" (dumb I know, but it didn't matter to me at the time.) and suddenly the whole used graphics card market has gotten a lot more expensive so changing up to say a 10" GTX 970 or something similar would incur a large price increase. Also my CPU cooler is too big but I don't mind spending to change that.

Then I see the SG08 which is cool but I have to buy their special version with their own PSU if I want to fit in my card, also it has a slot loading disk drive which I have no need for.

Is there a nice SFF mini-itx case in the realm of £50 I'm missing where I only have to change 1 major or two cheap components? If I can rustle up enough change by selling a few things I have lying around I could upgrade my graphics conceivably.

Ideally not far in excess of 14L total volume.
Thank you!

>>61173704
>That's a pretty hard question to answer, check benchmarks of the 1600 in the games you listed on youtube to know the answer.
These Are Not Available. The Games I Play Are Not Popular Enough For Benchmarks.

>>61173740
>It Is On Habbit. I Apologise For Looking Like A Madman Friend.
hitting caps every half a second for no reason is a habbit? what the fuck?

>>61173746
Thermaltake Core V1 maybe?

>>61173847
Yes For Me It Is A Powerful Habbit I Apologise For Offending

>>61173897
stop that

>>61173915
.here.for.you.it.is.stopped.for.but.for.me.it.is.hurting.very.badly.

>>61173915
Yes I Am Sorry If Have Offended.
I Can Not Stop.
Doctor Told Me It Is Normal And Nothing To Worry About Friend.
Please Help With Processor Purchase Thank You.

>>61173360
The Asus Prime B350 Plus is working out very good for me. After the initial firmware update it accepted even my 3200Mhz RAM. The interface looks a bit ugly imo, but it posts almost instantly.

>>61173947
False Flagging Bastard That Is Not Nice.
That Is Not Me.

>>61173948
>>61173962
You.Are.Me.Now.Enjoy.This.Life.My.Friend.

>>61173779
>Arma 3/DayZ, Skyrim, Elite Dangerous, H1Z1, Rust, Ark, Cities:Skylines, and GTA 5?
Arma 3 has a tendency of performing bad on AMD CPUs, even the R7 1700:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yh9doMXt3I
This guy is running DayZ and is getting 130~FPS in tight
spaces (as his GPU barely needs to work), the rest of the time his GPU is at 100% so it's not really interesting, go to 4:45 to see when he's indoor and even then his GPU is at 100% there so the CPU will really not be the limiting factor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxSeOe5vbGA

Although this Elite Dangerous one isn't showing FPS, it's showing CPU usage on an R7 1700 showcasing how well the games spreads the load on the available threads of the CPU. Each of the cases with a graph is a thread, the R7 1700 has 16 of them, the 1600 has 12 and i5 have 4 (i7 have 8), so the game spreads the load quite well on the available threads. Also, the R7 1700 performs the same as the R5 1600 in games as they have very similar clockspeed and both have enough threads to run any CPU intensive games just as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d38f1WB8pJA

This one running H1Z1 on an R7 1700, a 1600 will perform the same just like i said except it has less room overall (but already has enough for anyone doing gaming)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijjq9_D5Vbg

This one running Rust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5P-GzvoZ-M

This one running Cities Skiline although constantly GPU bound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI1DdfJr06k

This one GTA V and although GPU bounds shows it can use all threads of the R5 1600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1xBEfDHbl0
And with personnal experience of my R7 1700 it'll run around 130~FPS when not-GPU bound

So in conclusion, you don't really have to care about the performance your CPU has in games because your GPU will always be the limiting factor first, unless you get a GTX 1080(TI)

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>tfw no slim form factor LAN case that you can carry around in a backpack to your friend's house and to and from university with ease
Why did I fall for the ATX meme?

>>61173848
Just checked and it only allows about 11 inches and if the budget is really a concern the only case that fits that I can think of is the Sharkoon SHARK ZONE C10.

>>61173502
I use a Ryzen 1700, but performance in those games should be very similar
Elite runs at a locked 72fps with no dips at all, Cities Skylines runs well, but large cities with mods slow down the game (like on any other machine)
GTA 5 runs very well, haven't really checked the framerate

>>61173709
>>61173723
>>61173673
>>61173739
Thanks, as for the mobo and the screen i really don't know shit about them, i barely know about what cpus and gpus are decent/good, i can't into mobos or screens.
As for the SSD i was worried about running out of storage and also SSDs are quite pricey in comparison to HDs
>It seems pcpartpicker doesn't work in Italy as it just redirects you to Amazon everytime.
You should use something like
>Taocomputer.eu
Yeah i use pcpartpicker just to estimate prices, i usually cherrypick the best prices for parts off of amazon manually but i might start using Taocomputer now that you reminded me it exists

in reality, how would a dual CPU computer do with modern games?

>>61173847
I have my weird keyboard habits too. I hold cntrl when using caps. I also use the numbered keys on the top part of the keyboard instead of the side.

>>61174062

honestly, this is the biggest argument for a gaming laptop. my brother bought a razer laptop with a 1060 and being able to run VR anywhere is well worth it vs a standalone PC

>>61174149
Also, I forgot to ask: do I need a CPU fan? Does the CPU come with one stock?

>>61174212
They'd do decent, but far from consumer CPU performance as server CPUs are a lot lower clocked than consumer CPUs.

>>61169055
I'm an AMD fanboy but the 7700k serves a purpose if you literally only care about video games, it and the G4560 are the only Intel CPUs worth buying right now.

>>61173463
You got scammed

CPU:
I7 7700K
Motherboard:
ASUS PRIME Z270M-PLUS LGA 1151 mATX Intel Motherboard
RAM:
EVGA 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-3000 (PC4-24000) CL15
SSD:
Intel 600p 512GB NVMe M.2
Grand Total $781.14
This Is Good?

>>61174240
Ryzen 5 1600 does come with a stock cooler, and a pretty good one at that

>>61174487
It's good in itself, but what is the specific usage, and what is the price of the individual parts?

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This is basically a steal right? I would prefer to get the benq XL2411, but this is so damn cheap right now.

>>61174683
For These Games
>Arma 3/DayZ, Skyrim, Elite Dangerous, H1Z1, Rust, Ark, Cities:Skylines, and GTA 5
I Play More Games Than The List
>>61173334
Motherboard CPU Combination
CPU: [$299.99]
Motherboard: [$114.99]
RAM: DDR4 3000 2 X 8Gb CL 15 [$119.99]
SSD: 512Gb M.2 NVME SSD [$189.99]
Subtotal $724.96
Tax $56.18
Grand Total
$781.14

>>61174884
>getting the meme monitor

>>61174900
That'll do good indeed but the 7700k is more geared for 144hz screens so you're spending more in a CPU when you won't see the benefits from it. It also doesn't come with a cooler so you'd have to get one too.

>>61174922
Fuck off I just wanna play my gaymes

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>>61174970
that's literally the meme monitor

>>61174952
Large Noctua Don't Know Type Gifted
Everything Other Is Old Parts From Myself
Monitor Is BenQ

>>61175030
144hz monitor?

>>61174952
This Will be Mine This Weekend. Thank You For Overseeing.

>>61175040
Yes TN Panel Though

>>61174922
>>61175007

Whats wrong with it?

Is it safe to use a single dual 6+2 pin to power two gpus through one cable?
Would be two 1070s for reference (8 pin per gpu ideally)

>>61175129
the image quality isn't very good, but hey, 144hz. i have one, it's okay for the money.

>>61175222
Any reason to get the benq xl2411 over it?

>>61175194
no

>>61175268
Could you provide a reasoning
They'd be set to 60% power limit as I'm a minerfag

In Win 301 or Fractal Define Mini C?

>>61169012
Someday when I build a house, I'm going to integrate a home server/ mining farm into the heating system. Not sure if I want to risk the side effects of inhaling mobo offgassing so I might build a heat exchanger, what do you guys think?

>>61175251
the benq probably looks a lot better

>>61175351
Yeah I know, but it is 80 bucks more

>>61175251
>>61175351
on amazon, you can just order both with free 2 day shipping, test them, and return the one you like less for free

>>61175349
Maybe if you want to heat up your bathroom, but that's about it.

>>61175349
It would probably be best just to use it for a water heater.

>>61174234
I've been considering getting a laptop used on eBay with a 660m or something for that purpose. Don't need it to be too powerful, just has to be able to run some games and emulate up to GameCube.

I was about to start my build, but then Miner fags started buying up all the gtx 1070s. How long until they stop buying all this shit up so I can complete my fucking build?

I have an AMD Phenom 2 X4 955 BE pc with a GTS 250 and my PSU is 450 Watt model. I have a fullhd screen and want to attach an old 1280x1024 (somewhere around there) screen as well. Is the gpu capable of running these smoothly?

If not, I'm considering upgrading my gpu and I have 2 options:

- Buying a newer one
More ca$h, but less electricity needed

- buying something to put it into SLI
Cheaper, but more power usage. Maybe the PSU isn't capable of this, and that rises the cost. I have my cpu undervoltaged to 1.2V, which might lessen this issue.

Games I might play in the future on this machine: mass effect 3, civilizations 5, path of exile. Also, I might do some GPGPU programming.

Any advice?

Should I be using HDMI or Digital port

>>61175876
TV > HDMI
PC with sound > Displayport
PC without sound > DVI

Thoughts on this PSU?
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00JM5HSKY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl

Seems like a very good price for a 700w 80+ bronze PSU, but can't really find any good information about the company.

I'm looking to build a new gaming PC after being out of games for a long time, currently playing on a shitty laptop. My wife got me back into it, I just bought her a new gaming laptop because she's a pleb, and now I'm looking at building a new PC for myself.

I'm looking for advice on whether to build now or hold out a bit longer for new stuff coming out soon. I'd like to try a watercooled build, so looking at threadripper and it's 155W TDP as being a fun combo of huge, hot, and fast.

What about monitors and graphics cards? Does 4K @ 144Hz with HDR exist? What about freesync vs. g-sync?

Any advice or info is appreciated.

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>>61175987
>semi-modular

1070 still worth it at $400?

Don't want to get it and have RX Vega be same but cheaper. But I am a little interested in mining and Vega's HBM is bad for that.

>>61176020
So I shouldn't get it in other words?
Any particular reason why semi-modular is bad?

>>61176115
he's a faggot that can't cable manage properly wihtout having the cables unplugged

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>>61176137
Enjoy your rat's nest of cables then.

>>61176164
Semi modular means only the 24 and eps connectors aren't modular dumbass.

>>61176115
Cable management is easier, also you can buy colored cables for aesthetics.

Get at least a gold standard anon, the bronze meme needs to die.

>>61176196
Would a 550w gold PSU be good enough for this?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VxCQQV

>>61176268
Yes, but the one you have in there is quite good already. How's the price difference?

>>61176268
It should be alright. There is a 650 evga on sale right now

>>61176347
I could get a Seasonic G-650 or EVGA 650 GQ for approx. €90.

>>61176002
With the current prices of gpus, and ram I would personally hold out.

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>>61176164
>tfw you managed to sleeve the cables from an 80+ Bronze semi-modular PSU and charged the client the same total price as a sleeved full-mod 80+ Platinum PSU
I don't care if it's wrong, managing to sleeve all of those fucking cables was worth it

>>61176115
No. In fact non modular, semi modulars are cheaper. If you care about aesthetics, and can't hide cables out of plain sight in a case then full modulars would look better in a case. Modulars are also useful in tighter smaller cases.

>>61176503
There's no point in buying a full-mod unless you want sleeved cables or if the manufacturer Jews you into paying much for for higher quality components over their semi-mod models.

Should I go with the MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Duke rather than the MSI GeForce GTX 1070? I can't find the 1070 anywhere, and where I can find it, it's price is hiked up to where I can find this 1080. What do you guys think?

Here's the rest of my build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H3cKTH

Will Corsair SF Series 450W be enough to run R5 1600 + RX580 build?

What do you guys do with your leftover components? I have an FX6300 and some ddr3 ram sticks from my first build. Is it worth it trying to sell them, or should I donate them to a non profit?

>>61169012
PC part picker doesn't have the parts I want. What should I use instead?

>>61176583
What parts that you want are missing?

>>61176601
ASUS KGPE-D16 motherboard.

>>61176560
To be more precise, build will look like this + two extra case coolers + other board (propably asrock 250) but there is only biostar on pcpartpicker so far.

>>61176707
I mean like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b8dV8K

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what's going on here?

So I've heard of ram issues with ryzen. if I don't want to fuck with ram speeds too much (I'm not adverse to a little bit) what speed should I really aim for? is 3000 too much?

>>61176741
if you get any ram which is 3200mhz and cl14 it'll work

>>61176735
barracuda are entreprise-aimed drive: vibrate less, faster, much longer warranty, much longer lifetime

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what should I upgrade?

>r5 1600 + mobo + ram for $650 CAD
or
>3770k until I can build whole new pc for $250 CAD
or
>either 1070 or 1080 for $600-600 CAD

leaning towards ryzen, since I can coast on my 290 for a few more months, then i'll get a new gpu once prices go back down

>>61176756
>$200 for ram

I don't know if that's worth it. I know ram is more important for ryzen but for cas 14 and 3000-3200mhz its like 200 bucks. (170 was the cheapest I found)

>>61176735
Barracudas are cheap, WD Blacks aren't.

>>61176799
>overclock the i5 to 4.5gHz =
literally the same perf as a 1600 except for minimums in some games.

Get a new build in a year or so, when GPU prices are also down and you can get a 1600 for peanuts

>>61176091
Only a little overpriced. No telling what VEGA will do to the market, or 1070 prices in particular, if anything at all, considering mining demand affects each card separately.

>>61175782
Not really sure about GTS 250 but I don't think it'll run ME3. If you were just browsing the net and watching cartoons, the card would be fine

>>61175579
No one knows, but the big manufacturers are going to start producing mining cards. So hopefully that will split the demand forever. Not the first time miners have fucking up the prices.

wtf i hate crypto miners now

Is R5 1600/RX 580 worth it for the current cpu/gpu I have, or should I just wait a few more years?

>>61176864
>>overclock the i5 to 4.5gHz =
it is at 4.5ghz and it's pretty unstable. it crashes when im browsing the internet. sometimes ill lock my pc and go take a shit, and when i come back it'll have crashed. i'm running 1.381V VID at 4.5ghz, with a Noctua NH-D14 in a HAF 912 case with good airflow

and in battlefield 1 i'm constantly at 99% cpu usage

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>>61176890
I'm dumb.

>>61176903
not him but don't worry about 99% cpu usage too much. most of the time it's because it's working as hard as it can to render as many frames as possible. unless you lock your frame rate and it still does that don't use that to base much.

>>61176903
>Noctua NH-D14
theres your problem.

>>61176920
that's still ignoring the fact that it's pretty unstable. correction, vcore is at 1.356V. i might up that to a breezy 1.4V

>>61176931
>one of the best air coolers with two 200mm fans feeding and exhausting it
my temps are fine as well

3570k went today. Decided to go Ryzen 1700, I hope its up to par and I hope I win the silicon lottery and can get at least 3.8 out of it. It will be cool to have the extra cores for VMs kinda excited and Im happy to support AMD.

>>61176601
Never Mind I found it.

>>61176951
>lets see how much i can hang off my board before it gives way

alright fag enjoy your obnoxious pos

>>61176919
If you wait until the GPU prices go back to normal then yeah it's a pretty great upgrade

>>61177014
again, my temps are fine. and my board is secured in my case. even if the board snaps in two, it's nearly 7 years old

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Hey guys is there any difference between these two? I'm going a for a white build and was wondering if the quicksilver is find performance wise.

>Option 1: quicksilver for $670aud
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/3mDzK8/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-video-card-gtx-1070-gaming-z-8g

>Option2: Gaming Z :$690aud
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/3mDzK8/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-video-card-gtx-1070-gaming-z-8g

>Option 3: an Asus/MSI 1080 Ti Founders for $1000ish

>proposed build (no GPU included)
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Mk6t2R

>Current build
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/KZw2D8

>>61177118
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/PpmxFT/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-quick-silver-oc-video-card-geforce-gtx-1070-quick-silver-8g-oc
Just get the quicksilver, the gaming Z isn't really worth $20 more. Yeah, it has slightly higher clocks, so much for two more FPS at best.

What's the best program to use to treat a hard drive for errors/failed sectors/etc?

>>61177142
chkdsk C: /R

>>61177142
>>61177152
chkdsk /R C:

*

>>61177152
>>61177155
fuck me it's one of these two.

>>61176889
To fight them, you must become like them.

>>61177118
Why a a320 motherboard?
You already have a cooler, get a b350 and overclock

>>61177136
That's more or less what I thought. If I wanna future proof for say the next 3yrs minimum is my current build with the quick silver up to it or should I do a new build. Also, should I just bite the bullet now for a 1080ti or will the 1070 keep me good for the years to come?

>>61177172
What? My current CPU is locked, no overclocking.

If im not gaming should I still get a mechanical keyboard?

>>61177227
definitely, blues if you don't care about noise, browns if you do. blacks/reds if you don't want an tactile clicks.

>>61177214
Anon...

>>61177214
what

So, I put together a Skylake/1060 build recently and am yet to pull the trigger, but I'm increasingly realising that I'm playing less vidya and spending more time using programs like Lightroom, Photoshop, AutoCAD and Rhino, both professionally and for personal projects.

Is it worth considering a ryzen build? Would it be cheaper?

>>61176919
Depends on how much money you have to burn.. I would just keep your current rig, but if you're not happy with it, replace the gfx card first with the RX 580 then go for the CPU upgrade if you're still not happy. 580 + 1600X is a nice upgrade to what you have

>>61177276
If anything besides the G4560, yes get Ryzen

>>61177238
>>61177239
My bad I'm still waking up. Isn't a MSI mortar a B350 motherboard?

What is a good/cheap CPU to have for playing MGS5/Witcher 3/Dishonored 2 at 60fps/low settings/sub-1080p?

I have a GTX 650 Ti, and I have a 60hz monitor at 1280x1024. I'm from Canada.

I also plan to record videos from some less demanding games like KOF14.

>Trying to find a decent case
>Reluctant to purchase online because the last case I got was severely damaged during shipping
>Microcenter has a hard-on for Corsair and Cooler Master
>Fry's has a fetish for Thermal-take-your-designs and Raidmax

Shopping for a case is suffering

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intel i7 6700k
msi z170 gaming m7
2x8gb corsair lpx 3000mhz ddr4
=490€ used

SHould I BuY /g/??

>>61177361
Just go into the motherboard list and put b350 in there, you'll see all the b350 motherboards
pcpartpicker australia doesn't have much of them though

>>61177454
You need to develop a fetish for a certain case which makes the choice very easy.

>>61177170
>leaving pc on 24/7 to make $5 a day
or you could get a job and work an extra hour a day and double your profit

>>61177476
>490€ used
An R5 1600 is 200€, MSI b350 PC-mate 100€, 16GB would be between 120 & 140€, total 440€ brand new
What country are you in exactly? Regardless i wouldn't because you'd also need a cooler on top of that and remember, it's used. The guy may have tortured his 6700k to get high overclocks.

>>61177503
I love Fractal Design's cases, but Micro Center altogether stopped selling them, and Newegg was the one that sent me a damaged case.

>>61177534
Akshually a r5 1600+Asrock b350 Atx+16gb Gskill 3000mhz= 372,85 €
Where u from senpai

>>61177617
>akshually

holy fuck how slow are you? please tell me you're 10

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>>61177671
newfag detected

>>61177583
Don't you have a local shop? I wouldn't order something as big as a case, and my local seller shipped it freely. You don't have to buy exclusively from Amazon and newegg.

Poorfag here
1050ti vs 1060 3gb

>>61177617
Those were french price i gave from amazon, but if you can indeed get 16GB + 1600 + decent mobo for 370€ then that's pretty amazing

>>61177692
>calling someone else a newfag when actual retardism is called out

>>61177774
RX 570 4GB if you find it in stock
3GB is a bottleneck in a lot of games and the 1050ti is very weak

>>61177806
Well on Amazon you pay the amazon tax in exchange for superior customer care and whatnot. So I believe general prices from other e-shops to be about the same in France too

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>>61177824
lurk more fucking idiot

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>>61177824

>>61177835
It's the opposite here, Amazon provides the best prices

>>61177828
What about pascal 'superior' texture compression.
Wont 3gb on nvidia = 4gb on amd

>>61177920
No, superior compression doesn't make up for one whole GB, the 1060 3GB does shit the bed much earlier than an RX 570 4GB card when it comes to texture quality

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>>61177862
I speak the truth fellow €poor

>>61176735
barracuda a shit, don't buy

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Ok I am at a loss for what to do with this machine. I know I can upgrade the ram to 16 gigs. I know it has a 1tb solid state drive installed.

What about upgrading the video card?
What websites can I go to to find out what is available for this computer?

I want to do some gaming on it. I downloaded manjaro and was trying out dota 2 and it ran like shit. Literally any guidance will be awesome.

>>61177583
>fractal design
My minimalist brother! It's so sleek and sexy

>>61177485
I did and got the MSI mortar artic on my build list see.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/tqRPkT

>>61178135
Well that works, but have you tried to search on other australian websites? I'm fairly sure you could find cheaper just as good motherboard.

>>61171548
... so never.

Or at least not until mining cards become available in enough numbers to relieve the pressure on the gaming cards.

>>61172616
I do.
I want my experience to be 60fps or higher, forever. No dips.
It's like having your fast Internet have a hiccup causing severe lag or even a timeout disconnect. It's fucking annoying.

Minimums matter.

>>61178176
they're working on releasing card versions specifically for mining, a competitor to the asics cards if you will, but based on the consumer GPUs.

>>61178154
Any recommendations for boards to look for I wanna kinda keep the white/black look for aesthetics. The asrock pro4 was a choice but it can support 3000mhz ram. I'm sticking with Umart because they're 5min down the road and I get premium prices with them. So like $5-10 off each item.

Coming from a GTX750Ti, would $230 (USD) be worth it for a watercooled HD7970?

>>61178270
Can't support*

>>61172927
>One complaint among a subset of reviewers,
>One complaint among a subset
>One complaint
>One
>among a subset
A fraction, of a fraction.. so an Intel shill.

Any decent places to get CPU/Mobo bundles? Especially if I can specify form factor, using mATX.

>>61178282
No, considering an used R9 290. GTX 970, or brand new RX 470/570 are all cheaper and perform noticeably better

>>61178313
Newegg is a good one for international.
It'd probably be better to specify from where you'd be wanting them. That way people can help if they know.

>>61178282
Why would you pay RX 580 money for a card that performs like a GTX 1050 Ti?

What are good monitors to use just for portrait mode?

>>61178345
Well, RX series are fucked for price.
At 1080p, would the 3.5GB meme shit matter at all?
Also, R9 series in my area are fucked for pricing too.

>>61178360
Because I live in a shit country where currency conversion & shipping/importing fucks us hard. Gave it a general Google conversion for simplicity sake.

>>61176951
Just bump up voltage until you stop crashing are you retarded

>>61176890
>>61176919
Good luck getting any Rx x70/80 gpu lmao

>>61178372
>At 1080p, would the 3.5GB meme shit matter at all?
For the vast majority of games no, for maybe one or two games you might have to turn down texture settings a bit

>>61178075
Don't tell me you actually bought this thing anon?

>>61177438
I went to Logical Increments and this is a potential build I got: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gjs4TH

Is this good enough? I already have the graphic card and the power supply.

>>61178525
wtf did you buy a 650ti now?

>>61178543
No, I got it used a while ago.

>>61178563
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gjs4TH
At this point get a shittier mobo and psu.
Your system will be very low power consumption, but you're gonna be GPU bottlenecked as hell... a g4560 can push a 1060

>>61178563
>>61178525
>>61178588

As I see it you have 3 paths in front of you:

1)make the build as shitty as possible saving $ bc it's gonna be shit anyway given most of ur components especially gpu

2)pick good components foreseeing an upgrade down the line, like good psu, good mobo, decent ram

3)just invest 200$ more and get a proper pc to actually play games. Sell ur 650ti.
You can do a 1400x-1500x easy.

>>61178588
I already have the power supply.

>>61178617
Something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WLK9HN

Then whenever you got the moneis u buy an SSD.
Eventually upgrade to a better GPU and CPU later on

>>61178663
Ok, so between ur g4560 build and the ryzen 1400 one I made, if we exclude gpu and psu, there's about a 100-120$ difference.

R3s are coming out shortly too, and they're still better than the g4560

>>61178617
I want to play currentgen games at 60fps with low graphics and res while spending the least possible. I take it it's not even possible with a G4560+650ti?

Is there even a demand for a 650ti if I sell it?

I'll save your build and reflect on it, just in case.

https://orlando.craigslist.org/sop/6201022311.html
https://orlando.craigslist.org/sop/6167360883.html
https://orlando.craigslist.org/sop/6180374202.html

Are any of these a good deal?

I'm looking to upgrade from my 650ti. I don't really care about 4k meme games but just wanna play modern games in 1080 without stuttering or general issues.

>>61178737
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sGDgf8

This is also a much better build than yours already with only 50$ more...

Apart from minor details (like ram) it lets you upgrade to a decent cpu later.

I don't know about reselling the 650ti, check ebay for prices.

Well you *could* "play" modern titles at shit settings I guess, but does it make sense if you condemn the whole build to obsolescence from the get go anyway?

With 100-150-200$ more you can actually max out the same games and ALSO keep the system relevant thanks to a better gpu and a cpu upgrade path.

>>61178763
>https://orlando.craigslist.org/sop/6201022311.html
>https://orlando.craigslist.org/sop/6167360883.html
>https://orlando.craigslist.org/sop/6180374202.html

Why are you suddendly looking at 300+$ gpus?
I thought you were on a budget?

>>61178841
I'm a different guy that also happens to also have a 650ti.

I do not have a budget. This is my first post in the thread, just looking for advice.

>>61178854
to answer your query, no they're not as they're used but go for higher than new.

However all 1060s seem to be out of stock due to minurz. So idk what I'd do.

A 1060 is all you need for 1080p 60fps gaymer though, so there's that.

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I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a high quality build. I'm liking everything that the R7 has to offer, but I'm still not sure what GPU to go with. I know I want something to max out my 1080p/1440p gaming settings, so I'm thinking one of the GTX 1080s. I also know that the R7 needs a certain kind of RAM to run optimally, so I needed that double checked as well.

But yeah, this is mostly for gaming with some light streaming on the side.

>>61178776
>but does it make sense if you condemn the whole build to obsolescence from the get go anyway?
You make a good point. I guess going from a really shitty 10 y/o potato to a less shittier one makes the latter look impressive. And I'm not much of a graphicfag. When I watch video comparisons of different settings, a game on high settings doesn't look that impressive. It just looks fancy. So I don't mind having shitty graphics if it runs without any issues.

Plus, there's the fear of a diminishing return. Will spending 200$ more make a significant difference?

I guess I could upgrade later when I can afford it. I see in that build you posted that you change the mobo (and the ram, what's the deal?). Is the old one really that limited?

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>>61178937
Does being used make a huge difference?

pic is what the 1070 guy said to me asking if its still available

1070 level perfomance.

EVGA superclocked 1070 $400 with Mass Defect Andromeda

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-superclocked-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card/5758203.p?skuId=5758203

Been coming and going out of stock all day.

I finally decided to biuld a PC and just go overkill, at least for my needs, and then not upgrade for at least 4 years.

>>61179039
Thanks, I can finally start mining.

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>>61179057

Me to brother. Ether will yield less and less every 2 months, then we can switch to zcash, which generates roughly $70 a month before electricity. I have free electricity though.

>>61178959
Is it wise to get a single 5tb drive though?
For the rest ok.
>>61178969
>I'm not much of a graphicfag
I doubt the 650ti can even run 60fps on lowest settings on AAA games nowdays
>Will spending 200$ more make a significant difference
The 50-120-150-200$ makes the difference from a one shot really really shitty build and somethign nice you can build upon later and something uptodate and respectable by 2017 standards. So yea.
> change the mobo (and the ram, what's the deal?)
Mobo for compatibility with K-i5s and i7s in the future. Ram because a decent 3000mhz costs basically the same as the one you picked

>>61175533
660m is garbage today

>>61179109
cryptofaggots can die in a fire

how long until the gpu market recovers
im in dire need of a new pooter

>>61179120
Woops, that was only supposed to be 3 TBs. I don't really need 5, that might be overkill.

>>61179169
get 2x2tb and a 500gb ssd

>>61179120
Alright.

I'm gonna switch the 650ti for the 1050ti when I get the chance.

I don't know if I should go with Intel or AMD though.

>>61179209
>>61179209
>>61179209

Creating early: few changes there and there, not enough character to add a new line unless it's a short one i believe
I hope that mining shit goes down quick so that we can remove the line about it and save some more characters

>>61176091
If that's an OC version and you can get it without sales tax that's a fair price.

>>61178669
>>61178969
I'd go with this. Getting an Intel now means locking yourself into a soon to be dead socket. AM4 will be around longer and you can upgrade your cpu without getting a new board.

>>61179242

There was sales tax, $23. Eh whatever. Should make enough mining to pay the card off in 3-4 months.

>>61179215
See
>>61179287
AMD has a clearer upgrade path. R3 might be a better value if you wait.

>>61179313
What's the deal with R3?

>>61179367
it hasn't been released yet

>>61179381
Okay. I can wait. I'm not much in a hurry anyway, just planning ahead.

What the fuck happened to the GTX 1070? Are miners buying that up too because the price has gone up by $100 on the cheapest model.

>>61180104
>Are miners buying that up too
Miners are buying everything.

>>>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zfJNBP

This is what I own now, allocated the budget rather poorly as the G4560 wasn't in stock anywhere when I built, and I didn't know that the 1050 outperformed the RX460 at the same price.

I'm looking to spend ~$500 canadian on an upgrade after taxes, Does this make sense for game streaming:

R5 1600 ($285) + B350m Mobo ($100) + 8GB CAS15 DDR4-3200 ($110)

>>61172804
1000w PSU

Sorry man, really can't help someone like you.

How would I mount my GPU vertically?