VEGAFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH™

>>61158745
>http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-17-6-Release-Notes.aspx
Jesus christ. Have a look at the Known Issues.

The release should have been delayed to get that shit right.

>>61158745
It finally beats 1070!
Congrats Rajesh! you've made a mockery of AMD right after Keller put them on top.

AMD 'Larrabee' with Keller at helm when?

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>poor volta

>running on vega drivers
>AMD explicitly said FE cards are not for gaymen
I'll judge when I see performance and price of the consumer cards.

>>61159295
*fury drivers

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>>61159295
I understand what you're saying as far as these drivers are obviously not ready for release and that this card is not designed for consumer gaming, but even still it's not a "pro" card in that the only function is enterprise work. This is essentially amd's weird equivalent to the titan, a prosumer card aimed at compute/amateur gamedev customers.

The gaming functionality is fully there and this does NOT bode well for the actual card. Undoubtedly, Raja and his team need to get their shit together and develop some ACTUAL DRIVERS for this card. They have delayed this so long, there's no excuse either.

>>61159402
Wait for Drivers(tm).

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>>61159177
TWELVE HUNNIT US DOLLARS
2x 1080 money buys this

>>61159481
Known Issues: The drivers aren't fucking finished yet but we're releasing it anyway because our shareholders will murder us otherwise.

>>61159481
If RX vega is about 500 burger dollars and like 10% faster than the 1080 it's still a failure because margins must be tiny for AMD.

>>61158745
>>61159481
delet dis

>>61158745
pls wait

>>61159522
amd didnt expect such huge performance jump from nvidia with pascal, i remember before pascal hit, every amd fag was spamming that 1080 will have 980ti performance, while infact it was 30% faster. AMD expect 30-40% performance jump from nvidia, not 60%.

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>>61159926
Remember 100% rx480 utilization will match1080 hype ;^)

>>61159926
>1080 will have 980ti performance, while infact it was 30% faster

The 1080 isn't 30% faster than a 980 Ti. Maybe if you're comparing a custom 1080 to a stock 1000MHz throttling reference 980 Ti, but a 980 Ti at 1500MHz is faster than an overclocked 1070 and about 15% behind a overclocked 1080.

t. former 980 Ti Classified and current 1080 owner

>>61159996
wtf was up with that utilization bullshit, cant believe anyone actually believed that. I mean if gpu isnt bottlenecking the gpu it will be utilizated 100% by the game, there isnt some magical performance source. Sure with drivers you can improve the performance, but not 50% in every game.

>>61159996
>a Single RX580 is now $500
Way to go performance per dollar arguments!

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>>61160053
clearly shows 1070 is faster

>>61159481
Wait, it has gaming mode? I thought this was supposed to be workstation card or is this AMD titan?

>>61160061
but its only utilized 51%, 500$ price is justified

>>61160102
It's not working. It uses modified Fiji drivers.

>>61160116
this is what happens when hire pajeet programmers for cheap, they cant code for shit, meanwhile at nvidia HQ talented programmers/engineers from all over the world are creating cutting edge technology

FE Vega is using Fiji drivers. If RX Vega doesn't have proper drivers, it's all over.

>>61153772

>>61160102
>>61160116
Frontier edition isn't the consumer card its specifically a work station card which is why its stupid comparing it to a 1080 for gaming, it literally wasn't made for that.

>>61160058
Retards though that if CF 480s get 50% utilization then single at 100% will get same performance. Also I don't know if King Pojeet would show utilization % if he didn't try to imply something like that. Literally snakeoil salesman who tried to make a product look better than what it is without risk of being held responsible.

>>61160164
>hey lets show it of gaming
>hey lets compare it to titan
>wait dont compare it to 1080 it wasnt meant for gaming even though, we showed it off as gaming and even said content creators/gamedevs can use it for gaming

>>61160164
>it literally wasn't made for that.
It literally is. It's the exact same silicon that's in RX Vega.

It's not a different chip, with different hardware. It's exactly the same. The only thing AMD have said will be different with RX Vega is that they will be clocked higher.

>>61160145
Well on the other hand nVidia can't engineer hardware for shit.
>>61160164
It's not a workstation card too. It exists to comfort shareholders.

>>61160135
No, AMD is fine.
They spun out RTG for this reason.

RTG IS FINISHED AND BANKRPUT.
RED ROOSTERS CONFIRMED FOR JONESTOWN

TEAM GREEN IS BACK BABBY.
You watch, AMD will fully spin out RTG and Intel will end up buying it.
Then nVidia will buy AMD and we'll finally have our true Green+Green that was promised so many years ago but then Hector Ruiz'ed it away from us.

>>61160200
exactly, also RX Vega most likely will have 8gb of HBM instead of 16.

>>61160200
Silicon matters not when driver has disabled TBR and Primitive Shaders.
>>61160222
t. Kyle Brennet

>>61160222
back in the day before amd bought radeon, nvidia was bbf with amd...

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>300W rated is its maximum W
>it isnt going to use 300W while gaming
>kek

>>61160280
>uses double the power than 1080
>is 20% slower
>Pajeets on suicide watch

>>61158745
Goddammit, I wanted that blue in my PC. Should I paint my GPU instead?

>>61160304
Yes.
>>61160303
Read the thread.

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>>61158745
DELETE THIS

>>61160366
they need to delet the vega and see if they can get better performance, maybe its the thermal trolling! :D

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>tfw vega fan goes to 100% to prevent meltdown

>>61160522
At least it's not doing 1080 FE trick of mosfets going kaboom.

>>61158745
Holy shit it's a shoah!

What will we wait for next bros?

>>61160634
Wait for drivers. When Volta is released, vega might finally get close to 1080Ti.

Huge bloated, power hungry goodfornothing GPU that cant compete with GPUs half its size. Now that seems familiar, yes the RTG faggots created Geforce Fermi anew

>>61161077
Fermi was the fastest card on release though. This is worse.

>>61160071
That's stock performance, you goddamn retard. Try actually reading the post that you're replying to.

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>>61158745
>AMD

The only thing their cards are good at is mining shitty crypto currencies.

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>>61161209
Not really. 580 wasn't a bad card until it got bought out by cryptominers.

>>61161209
>vega is even shit for miners
AMD didn't send samples to reviewers and forced them to spend cash because no one else would buy this abortion.

>tahiti drivers
lol

>>61161239
FUCKING MINERS
WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO EXIST?

>>61158745
What's going on at AMD honestly?

Why are their software engineers monkeys uncapable of writing good and effecient drivers that are at least comparable to nvidia's? You don't need to invest millions to write good software.

>>61159322
>>61160158
>>61161260
>AMD just released a 4 digit priced "PRO" card with drivers that don't even work
Just Wait™ to finish that project.

>>61161464
>gayming fag doesn't understand that the gaming drivers are only even being developed for market appeal and aren't the only drivers for the card
typical

Review Thread:
>>61159131
>>61159131

I thought "AMD has no drivers" was just a meme

>>61161663
You just need to look at the past 10 years.

Somehow they're ALWAYS behind nvidia in the software department. I don't understand.

>>61161239
>mfw miners are retarded enough to buy midrange GPUs for mining
How much of a negative profit do you think they'll see once Ethereum's bubble bursts?

>>61159481
I'm just a brainlet but 2+10++32+11+1-19/6=
6.16% average better than a 1070?
If we take gta out its 11.2% average

gg AMD

It pretty much comes down to if you want floating point performance or not.

For games go nvidia.

>>61161753
wtf you on about?

>Each 580 rn pays for itself in a months time if you coindump daily.
>Each 580 would have paid for itself in 15 days one month ago if you coindumped daily.
>Each 580 would have paid for itself in a week 2 months ago if you coindumped daily.

>Each 580 would have paid itself 10x in a day if you early mined it and sold today.

>>61158745
Hello nvidia intel marketing team

>>61162218
why hello there fellow RT+ freind

Fire Raja.

Oh well, this is bad desu, because now Nvidia doesn't feel too much of a pressure releasing Volta cards for the consumers and then even think about increasing the price.

AMD's only hope is to make a Bulldozer->Ryzen type jump with Navi (they won't)

That's how far behind Nvidia they are now.

Please keep on shilling, I want the stock to go down so I can buy a shitload of it.

>>61162678
Navi will save us(tm).

>>61161094

Ahem, no the GTX 480 was a piece of junk at launch. It couldn't beat 5850 at gaming performance.

It was just faster at general compute (which is what Fermi architecture was built around).

Fermi only got faster with a respin with GF110-GF104.

>>61162678
when was the last time amd/ati had a gpu the could compete with one of nvidia's? i never followed the gpu "scene".

>>61163877
R9 290X. It started slow. Wasn't even as fast as the 780ti. By the end of it's life span it was trading blows with the 970.

>>61163990
That doesn't count.
Anon was asking when was the last time AMD had the top tier gpu on the gaming market.

So like 10y ago?

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>implying anyone should be surprised

>>61164041
Radeon 9700. It was undisputedly better than FX in everything. FX was a flop.

>>61160222
I will actually be okay with it. Not going to happen ever thou.

>>61163203
>290x
just before they hire that pajeet

>>61163990
>Wasn't even as fast as the 780ti. By the end of it's life span it was trading blows with the 970.

Then it was not competing with the nvidia top offerings either time. Retroactive "Well it could be least gen NOW" is not competing.

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Leave Raja alone.

>>61163990
>Trading blows with 970

Sure thing there. Cherry pick 1 in a 10 Doom benchmark. As for the 700 series. To this day I have no idea wtf happened cuz 900 series seems to be doing just fine except for the 970 with its low vram.

>>61164501
290x competes with 980. 290 with 970. They're roughly equivalents. 390 and 390x the same as well

>>61164367
The hardware was there. The drivers and API support weren't. The same thing is happening with Vega.

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>>61164456

Will AMD fire Raja and contract again Jew Killer to work on a new arch?

You guys are all retarded.

The reason Vega FE sucks is out of Raja's hands. It's driver issues, software. Raja does the hardware.

>>61165527
Why is Raja designing hardware that's hard to write drivers for?

Why isn't he trying to hire software engineers and code monkeys by the thousands?

So far all I keep hearing is Raja has no power in a division that was explicitly set up for him to run.

>>61165527
Are you telling me that the head of the GPU division isn't responsible for the final product including drivers?

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>>61159514

Well, I am waiting...

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>>61158745
I WAIT™ed for this.
Ordering the Ti right now.

what shareholders?

>>61160061
>cant read
>writes bullshit
>neo/g/ everyone

>>61165878
Wait for navi

>>61158745
Woah so this is the power of vega and HBM2

>>61160145
>this is what happens when hire pajeet programmers for cheap, they cant code for shit, meanwhile at nvidia HQ talented programmers/engineers from all over the world are creating cutting edge technology
oh god, yes nvidia works faster but their code is ABSOLUTE UTTER SHIT, like vomit tier, I'm not talking about dude spaces vs tab type of stuff I'm talking about schizoid coding practices. Impossible to decipher. Fucking trash. (Not defending pooamd, I'm sure they're Worse)

>>61166561
>tfw to smart to write documented code

>>61161164
1070 and 1080 is stock as well. Srsly you sound like giant faggot

>>61158745
So when does Vega for gaymurs come out?

>>61166777
Big Vega at the of the month and smaller one might be at the end of the year.

>>61166741
also check this link http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080/3439vs3603

average 25% performance differnce, since the cards uses almost exact same architexture and most people doing userbench are oc'ing there cards to max, this shows 100% accurate performance numbers, i agree 980ti oc's better than 1080, but performance is still around 25% higher on 1080

>>61161499
I don't know how /v/edittors still pretend that Vega is muh gaems card, almost all the marketing material has been about Instinct and the function of Vega as a deep learning accelerator

>>61167243
It's ok r/amd. It was intended to be shit.

>>61166818
userbenchmark is garbage.

>>61160215
So how comfortable are shareholders now?

>card is explicitly stated to not be for gaymen
>BTFOs its intended competition for less money
>brain damaged gaymurs immediately start crying about how it's not good for gaymen
GPU discussion should really be banished to /v/.

>>61158745
shit a developers card doesnt beat gaymers cards?

CALL ME SHOCKED!

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>>61160222
>No, AMD is fine.
>They spun out RTG for this reason.
RTG it's still part of AMD, they spun them out as in supposedly giving Raja a lot of freedom and stopping using engineers from the GPU division in CPU tasks
Still, the GPGPU and GPU market it's so minimal compared to the CPU enterprise server market and the desktop/laptop markets AMD wouldn't need to care at all about RTG now that Ryzen/EPIC it's pretty much secured to have near total dominance until 2021, they only need RTG to release something competitive with HD Graphics, which any old APU already does
>>61161753
Unless Ethereum bursts like 2013 Bitcoin did before December they will have ROI'd even if they bought right now at the retard prices and paid expensive German electricity
They probably would make more just buying Ethereum and holding
>>61161402
Nvidia writes shit software senpai, they literally release drivers that brick cards every few years
>>61162678
Navi isn't a Ryzen kind of jump, it is more like EPYC in cutting down costs if the MCM rumors are true, they aren't even targeting a radical redesign of the architecture like Vega did according to the roadmaps
>That's how far behind Nvidia they are now.
The RX480 it's still competitive with the 1060, the RX550 shits all over the 1050Ti
They aren't nearly anywhere close to the 50+% lead Intel had over AMD with Skylake over Piledriver, hell, even FE Vega isn't anywhere close to that
>>61164041
9700, 5850, 7970, there's plenty of examples my retard senpai
>pic related
>>61165548
No money 4 dem programs
The CPU division has a lot of priority right now, specially with EPIC, if it gets weird fuckups it's adoption will be delayed, and it won't secure enough marketshare for AMD to keep decent R&D over whatever Intel shits on 2021
>>61167338
The stock looks fine so I guess they're as comfy as they can be

>>61160222
>Implying the FTC would allow Intel to have a monopoly on CPUs
>Implying that AMD’s GPU business is its only revenue stream
>Wanting AMD to fail
>Wanting GPU and CPU monopolies
You can’t be this retarded anon

>>61160164
dude shills always do that...

remember when the x9100 launched? literally the same thing happened here they kept comparing it with every single gaming card...anything that has an port on amd cards for them is a gaming card dont bother seriously

>>61167412
>you can't be this retarded
yes he can. gaymurs have the mental faculties of children.

>>61167428
It's has no ECC. It's gaymen card, pajeet.

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>>61165878
>tfw can't even order Ti, there is no videocards in the country

>>61167338
Pretty fucking comfy, since you can actually buy Vega.

Funny how Nvidia gaming cards do compute just as well but AMD workstation cards can't do gaming.

>>61167695
NVIDIA card has TBR enabled.

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>>61167402
>the RX550 shits all over the 1050Ti
you what? 560 is now on par with the 1050ti w aux power. 550 is shit and overpriced.
>The stock looks fine

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>61168291
>cherrypicking a 5 day chart in the middle of a correction
You don't know how stocks work, do you?
>you what? 560 is now on par with the 1050ti w aux power. 550 is shit and overpriced.
I mistyped, I meant the 560

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>>61168291
>cherrypicking

>>61158745
>Use workstation card to play vidya gayems XDDDDDD
>It does shit
Wow who would have guessed?

>>61169019
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-quadro-p6000-gaming-benchmarks/
>NVIDIA Quadro P6000 Gaming Benchmarks Unveiled, Faster Than The Titan X (P) – Handles 4K DX12 Gaming at 60+ FPS With Ease

>>61159271
>poor volta(ge)

>>A card not designed for with drivers not supporting gaming

>>Comparing gaming benchmarks

Did you want to compare how it cooks you breakfast next?

>>61169019
>>61169291
One month to get those drivers finished, Raja. Stop shitposting and get to work.

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Alright, so is HBM really a meme?

I mean, we all know Polaris is decent, the RX 580 is at the GTX 1060 level, even superior on Vulkan and DX12 (uses more energy tho)

So Polaris gets on GTX 1060 levels without HBM, and Vega gets at 1070/1080 levels with it? If you think about it, it doesn't make sense. Vega is not Polaris + HBM, is actually a whole new architecture, I'd expect that if you remove HBM from Vega, it would still perform better than Polaris.

In the end, it seems HBM just increases production prices massively while delivering small improvements and using ~35% of the die size.

Why didn't they just improve Polaris and drop the HBM meme? Use that shit only on professional cards.

Having that said, Pascal is just too good, solid improvements, good price drops and great TDP, very hard for AMD to compete.

>>61167400
Its currently lacking in even productivity based benchmarks. 'WAIT FOR DRIVERS™' they say, well I say don't release unfinished products.

AMD has caved in from all the pressure. The AMDfags have been waiting a year, you think they can't wait a few more months? Idiots.

>>61169664
Memory type has nothing to do with chip performance as long as bandwith is sufficient. Also HBM is future.

>>61169799
That pressure is from shareholders, and they don't play little nerd fanboy games.

>>61158745

>Suicide watch

So they even wait to commit suicide as well?

>>61159996
>2x

>>61169817
>Also HBM is future
yeah, but maybe it's not present, at least for mainstream cards

>>61169664
>Alright, so is HBM really a meme?

Yes, it has done nothing to improve anything. In a world where GDDR5X is fast enough to not ever be a bottleneck, HBM has no reason to exist beyond cranking heat through the roof.

>>61169799
Workstation results is the only place where it currently doesn't look completely terrible.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Professional-Testing-SPEC

>>61169841
Someone has to push it into mainstream. And since nvidia never innovates, it leaves AMD to do the dirty job.

>>61169849

>No ECC memory

It would not be going anywhere near a workstation for any company that isn't retarded.

>>61169853
> Someone has to push it into mainstream
But that's not the moment yet. That's the reason AMD is getting BTFO

>>61169847
shill; hbm uses less power therefore less heat

>>61169875
Memory type is the reason AMD is getting BTFO? What?

>>61169879
> limiting their die size because of memory type
> increasing production costs
> not getting BTFO because Nvidia makes cheaper cards that performs better

>>61169878
see: >>61159150

>>61169928
What? HBM imposes die size limitations? Tell that to 815mm^2 Thermi 2.0.
>cheaper cards that perform better
Hello Huang, we've yet to see RX Vega.

>>61169938
> wait for RX Vega! You will see!

>>61169951
Yes and?

>>61163203
>the GTX 480 was a piece of junk at launch. It couldn't beat 5850 at gaming performance.
Demonstrably untrue. It was faster than the 5870 in practically everything, although less than 10% in most things and IIRC it was still $500 when the 5870 had dropped to $350. Also housefires.

>Fermi only got faster with a respin with GF110-GF104.
The GTX 570 was the same speed as the GTX 480 with the same cores and clock speed. The difference between GF100 and GF110 was that they got the thermals mostly under control so that they were able to offer a fully enabled chip.

GF104 was a chip that had its compute capability crippled in favor of reducing price for the same gaming performance, and it was only good because it was passable and at the ideal price point ($200, compared to $150 for the 5770 and ~$280 for the 5850). It squared off against the 5830, which was an abortion that could barely hold its own against the truly horrendous GTX 465.

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>>61170000

JUST FUCKING WAIT FOR DRIVERS YOU INTEL SHILL.

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>>61170104
Hahahaha as if I would wait for poo in the loo hardware.

>>61169975
>It was faster than the 5870 in practically everything

If you turned up tessellation to the max. Otherwise, it wasn't faster.

However the 5850 also used way less power.

>tfw you don't know what to replace your stupid 280x with anymore

>>61170205
1080ti for unmatched perfromance
1070 for Vega tier performance

>>61158745
Vega isn't a gaming card and was never marketed as such.

Fucking idiot.

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>>61170260
>AYYMEEDEE NEVER MARKETED VEGA AS GAYMING CARD
>RYZEN IS NEVER MEANT FOR GAYMING TOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_O222W_q0

>>61170356
Vega FE =/= RX Vega =/= WX Vega.

>>61170356
He probably is a troll just like you.

>>61170144
That's wrong.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/518?vs=511

The 5870 was a far better value and was quieter and more efficient and useful for buttcoins and all sorts of other things, but it was not outright faster than the 480 in games.

>>61167705
>spend 2 years making vega
>delay it several times
>no drivers
really gets the noggin joggin

>>61169664
First off, Vega is obviously not complete. Second, die size has nothing to do with HBM other than an entirely new memory controller, but GDDR5 and GDDR5X do too; HBM itself does not add any size to the die, you mong. It lies on an interposer beneath the actual GPU, which is the only reason HBM is expensive. That's also why Vega can't be used with GDDR5/X. EE doesn't work just by sticking on a bunch of MOAR CORES and expecting it to just werk. There's limitations imposed by the architecture you construct, from the buses down to the ALU level; you have to understand that gaming is very much software sided.
>>61169799
AMD obviously stated Vega was 2017. When H1 started to close and realized they didn't have the software working for Vega it was time to release a card that's not remotely ready as an investor preview. Obviously RX Vega, Instinct, and WX Vega will be far better, whether or not it'll be better than the 1080Ti or Volta is up for debate.

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>>61171485
tl;dr JUST WAIT

>>61170000
Memes aside this clearly can't be right. AMD is not so retarded to release a card that can't even beat their flagship from two years ago.

But could drivers possibly help that much? I just can't believe they would even release Vega if they couldn't, this is embarrassing.

>>61171527
Good drivers soon kind sir 40%
pls wait

>>61171527
Vega FE only exists to please investors. Yes, you.can buy Vega. But does it perform well in it's current state? Who the fuck cares.

>>61171552
>But does it perform well in it's current state? Who the fuck cares.
Literally everyone who was going to buy Vega at any point. I personally skipped Pascal just so I could go all Red this year and even if Vega eventually gets fixed the current performance levels are a horrendous sign of how the launch will go.

>>61171573
AMD cares not about consumer cucks, hence why RX Vega is the last to launch. It's impossible to beat nVidia with better hardware, they need mindshare, and they'll never get one.

>>61171589
amd never cared about anyone because "amd has no drivers" isn't just a meme and it shows especially in the professional market

>>61171607
Professional market uses CUDA, which is proprietary, and switching to ROCm will impose a lot of growing pains.

>>61171624
Professional market pays for software support and personal troubleshooting and help. That's why you pay $6k for quadro. Something ATi/AMD never realized because they're retarded. CUDA is irrelevant. It was the same before CUDA even existed.

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HOL'UP

Memes, aside:
>card should be >1080ti ON PAPER
>card performs as badly as a 1070 irl

Clearly there's something terribly wrong going on.

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>>61169212

>>61171689
Read the fucking thread. It uses what is basically Fiji drivers.

>>61171677
>That's why you pay $6k for quadro. Something ATi/AMD never realized because they're retarded.
I thought AMD's whole strategy was to offer something that's only marginally worse at half the price. Isn't the Vega FE still pretty competitive in terms of non-gaming? I'm not going to pretend I use or understand any of the software they used to test it outside games.
>>61171689
Yeah not shit, it's literally performing under the Fury X. The drivers are completely fucked.

>>61171677
No, people pay for CUDA.

>>61169664
its obvious HBM was a meme ever since fury, its literally just differnt memory, but in the end, if you factor in all the numbers its slower than gddr5x. Same thing with GDDR4 that amd tried to market, its just a marketing gimmick, there is a good chance we will see Navi use gddr6 for mainstream or even switch to some new memory.

>>61170126
>1070
>4gb vram
>what?

>>61171731
>better memory is a meme
What. Seems like GDDR5 was also a fucking meme back then.

>>61171731
>if you factor in all the numbers its slower than gddr5x
No, it's more of a fight between latency and bandwidth. Then there's power draw and space taken on the board which HBM win in both. If it couldn't beat GDDR6 why would even Nvidia be using it in their Quadro cards?
>there is a good chance we will see Navi use gddr6 for mainstream or even switch to some new memory.
Probably not, only issue is yields. If HBM just ends up being too fucking expensive to make over GDDR6 it will probably go the way of GDDR4 but yields are improving.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Early-Overclocking-and-Te

>Set power target to +20%, was drawing ~350 watts

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>61171805
The only issues is that it's used in 3.5 products and the volume production is (was) basically nonexistent for HBM2.

>>61171713
CUDA is dominating as a result of previous nvidia support for professional market, retard. They've already build relations and their own ecosystem. Businesses adopt their new shit based on their prvious experiences.

>>61171701
>Read the fucking thread. It uses what is basically Fiji drivers.

Plebbit hearsay does not warrant such a vitriolic tone anon.

Vega is a stepping stone to Navi. Vega does not use IF like Zen does but that is what will happenw with Navi. Vega was already in development when Raj was made head of RTG. He could have just scrapped it but that would be costly and the tech was not ready at the time anyhow to go straight to an IF NCU architecture. Vega is NCU without the IF and no 7nm shrink to use in multiple GPU chips.

Vega will be 'OK' but not competitive enough to beat Nvidia. Navi is where it will be interesting. Nvidia don't have a road map laid out publicly after Volta. My guess is they are secretly designing their own IF competitor and will announce it at Volta's launch. If they don't have anything planned other than 'make it bigger' they are fucked.

>>61171867
Vega will be more than okay after they actually write the fucking working drivers.
Like, what the fuck?

>>61171867
>Vega is a stepping stone to Navi.
Who
Fucking
Cares

AMD needs to release something to stay competitive. We believed them when they said to wait for Vega, they NEEDED to deliver with Vega and this is a horrible start. They can still fix it, but releasing without any form of working drivers killed almost all the hype that existed for this product.

I guarantee you several hundred GTX 1070s were sold yesterday because of this card's performance. AMD needs to inspire confidence and this is the exact opposite of that.

>>61171813
Nobody cares about gaming on the FE. Only retards do. Most people doing pro stuff on FE won't be overclocking anyhow. RX + proper drivers is where we will see if it is shit or not. Gotta wait a few more weeks for that result though.

>>61171895
Vega FE inspired confidence...
...in shareholders. But anyway it's either you delay Vega FE and get both angry shareholders and angry cucksumers or you release it as is and only get angry cucksumers.

>>61171895
>I guarantee you several hundred GTX 1070s were sold yesterday because of this card's performance.
To miners perhaps. Gamers won't pay those prices. Might as well buy a 1080 at current prices.

>>61171867
You're thinking like a shareholder/fanboy not like a rational consumer anon

>>61171867
>already going for "muh navi"

>>61171913
AMD don't give a shit about gaymen. They can suffer a little bad press until the RX is out. They know this. They are only interested in stockholders and pro market share for the moment (Thus EPYC and FE before Threadripper and RX Vega).

>>61171701
>Some nobody on reddit said it uses Fiji drivers, so it must be true!

>>61171904
>Nobody cares about gaming on the FE. Only retards do.
No one is buying this for gaming but you can still game on a Quadro and get crazy good performance because it's based on the same GPU. This is the same GPU that will be in the RX series, so having the performance of what is supposed to be a top binned card come out so shit even compared to their card from two years ago is not just embarrassing but it's damaging Vega's reputation as a whole.

This was a horrible fucking move, they should've known autists would try to game on it. These drivers needed to be ready yesterday.

>>61171805
space and powerdraw of gddr isnt issues now and never was for mainstream market, sure they are for professional market, but they literally arent for mainstream and thats the biggest hbm advantage space taken and power draw.

>>61171953
Since when did Beyond3D forums became leddit?

>>61171911
>Might as well buy a 1080 at current prices
>tfw 1080Ti costs over a thousand dollars where I live nowadays

>>61171955
>damaging Vega's reputation
For consumers.

>>61171820
>>61171713
You two were literally talking about different things. GPGPU != CAD/Professional Rendering. The latter two are literally almost textbook usage of a graphics card - in reality very few things need to be OCL/CUDA accelerated, e.g. ray-tracing. Software and hardware support for those areas largely target professional individuals and cards have to be certified, run buffered ECC, not to mention profiles for certain software. GPGPU is generally dominated by consumer cards in academia and mid range industries and Instinct or Teslas in the supercomputing sector which have basically the same concept as "professional" cards but without a viewport.

Of course CUDA has something to do with it because nVidia pioneered GPGPU several years ahead of OpenCL - AMD GPUs only got OpenCL with Evergreen, nVidia had CUDA since the 8800 series. nVidia can charge pretty much whatever they want for CUDA exclusive cards up until OpenCL became a thing. Prior to OCL, everything from Magma to Caffe to DNNs were written entirely in CUDA, so ROCm+HIP is a welcome improvement on a stage that's pretty much nonexistent for AMD GPUs due to a completely absent software ecosystem.

>>61171867
>This generation of AMD GPU's is simply a stepping stone to the next generation!
>The next gen will blow Nvidia away
>Just wait!
>You'll see!
This gets parroted every time AMD release a new generation of GPU's.

There's always an excuse as to why the """"current"""" gen AMD gpu doesn't matter.

>>61171997
I dunno R700 was a nice stepping stone to Evergreen, dear newshit.

>>61171991
GPGPU is still as niche as it gets though. NVIDIA still gets bulk of their revenue from selling gaymen cards.

>>61172012
R700 was decent unlike POOGA

Honestly as an amd fanboy this is a complete disgrace how the fuck do you spend all this fucking this with top of the line tech and all you come out with is performance that was obsolete 2 years ago.

Every single fucking faggot in amds gpu division needs to be fired starting with that dumb pajeet

>>61172171
Vega is very good, Huang-san. Please give me.your software engineers for a month or two.
t. Raja Koduri

>>61172012
>>61171997
GCN was pretty good too. Pretty much everything since Terascale 1 was decent at the very least. Honestly pretty good considering they have like 60% of nVidia's R&D spread over CPU/GPU/SoC and a bunch other bullshit including memory kek.

>>61172064
I thought as much, though I don't think GPGPU is niche in the sense that it's a small market, it's just incredibly difficult to write code for in its current state.

>>61172180
ok go ahead and write their drivers and design their silicon then.

>>61172248
Intel makes good SRAM, AMD invents good DRAM and nvidia makes good marketing slides.

>>61167459
hbm has ecc a priori you illiterate lifeform

>>61172248
>ok go ahead and write their drivers and design their silicon then
I'm not getting paid for it. It's their job if they want my money. Doesn't look good after all the delays and recent silence considering their "makes some noise" and "poor volta" ad.

>>61169107
holy shit a quadro benchmarked on A SINGLE GAME BEATS NVIDIA CARDS!

>>61172180
>Every single fucking faggot in amds gpu division needs to be fired starting with that dumb pajeet
Your average employee probably is virtually blameless, who knows what went so WRONG behind the scene.

Keep in mind they're all unemployable at this point if they do get fired.
Who's gonna hire shitstains responsible for this disaster?

I know I wouldn't.

>>61158745
im sure when mine gets here and i install it on a vray rt i will sure think

>wow that shill on /g/ sure knows what vega FE is all about! clearly he has knowledge about profiling games on a new uarch

>>61172314
Well Vega doesn't beat those at any game, so

>>61172248
>hurr durr if you think it's that easy why don't YOU do it?

Literally the argument of the dumbest of brainlets. It's not my fucking job to make GPUs, they are getting paid for it not me.

Fury came out 2 years ago. TWO FUCKING YEARS. In that time they have done nothing but work on Vega and all they've managed to achieve is performance Nvidia was offering 2 years ago.

They fucking failed. Big time. It's time to fire all those incompetent buffoons and start fresh

>>61172336
shit nigga first time in my life i see a totally new uarch without even a proper driver to be behind on games
imagine if that said card isnt even tailored to gaming in the first place!
who would have knew!

>>61172387
>shit nigga first time in my life i see a totally new uarch without even a proper driver to be behind on games
happens only at amd
back to r/amd

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>>61158745
>mfw WAITED™ for this
>mfw didn't get 1070 after price cut
I'm not listening to amd pajeets anymore.

>>61173751
JUST WAIT™ FOR THE DRIVERS YOU IMPATIENT FUCK

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>>61175075
But for how long tho?

>>61175092
>wait for drivers :)
meme is real

>>61175667
I think mommy Su will make a very special labour camp for RTG software team really soon.

>>61175667
just wait for Navi

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>>61158745
> AMD releases Vega workstation card too early because public and investor pressure
> Radeon division Pajeet is too distracted by having to poo in the loo that he doesn't care to prevent it
> Drivers are shit because too early, driver devs probably screamed "NO NO NO NO" for days
> Random autist snaps up card, compares fucking enterprise workstation card to gaming cards
> Internet goes absolute apeshit as per fucking usual
> Intel's marketing team goes "Dohohoho what is this"
> Suddenly fucking daily shitposts about how a workstation card with alpha drivers performs like shit versus a gaming card with months of driver bugfixes and optimization
> Kids on /g/ eats it up completely and vows to buy only Nvidia and Intel from now on

>>61176013
Everybody with half a brain stem understands the situation, but that doesn't mean everyone who works in tech media has half a brain stem. Releasing Vega without drivers has cast serious doubt on the Vega lineup as a whole. It would've been much better to have just let the investors sweat themselves more or at least provide more details on the cards.

This might not be a big deal as a practical matter, but AMD has definitely lost some potential Vega buyers because of this release and the negative press it received because of it. AMD should've known this would happen.

>>61176073
I think happy shareholders means more than some autistically screeching gaymens.

>>61176085
I think actually selling product is important anon, they might've scared a huge portion of their consumer base away by releasing FE too early.

>>61176112
Well yes, sorta, gaymen are very fucking loud. It's a tradeoff.

>>61176013
It's inexcusable. They had TWO YEARS.
Also I have hard time believeing drivers will get 40% increase across the board in a month.

Lol even when it's released you wait.

>>61176139
And Zen had 4 years and still had a rough launch.

>>61176112
Angry shareholders > Angry nerds.

>>61176139
>Also I have hard time believeing drivers will get 40% increase across the board in a month.
Personally I do, but only because it literally would not make any fucking sense at all for Vega to be a product if that weren't the case. Vega NEEDED to be equal to Pascal at the very minimum to have a place in the market, and this top binned card is under-performing the Fury X somehow.

It might've sucked to announce they were killing Vega to focus on Navi, but causing so many delays and then finally releasing Fiji 2: Electric Bugaloo is infinitely worse.

If Vega is a failure, why in the fuck would anyone trust them about Navi? Vega needed to be the heavy hitter, and if Navi was eventually good they might've recovered but if Vega doesn't sell they can say good bye to ever being relevant again.

>>61176176
Nigger do you understand nobody will even buy this shit? Calling them nerds doesn't change that they're the entire fucking reason this product exists in the first place. Also, the investors aren't exactly happy either so your point is retarded anyway.

>>61176139
Anon it's not about optimizing the drivers. Its about making fucking uarch features work.

>>61176149
This is a trainwreck. Zen delivered better price/performance. VEGA is expensive space heater.

>>61176189
He's right though. Angry shareholders is much much worse than angry (and loud) nerds. And Radeon is not going to sell anyway, fucking Evergreen failed to outsell Thermi.

>>61176192
Any videocard is an expensive space heater.
>Zen delivered better price/performance
And Vega is bad at that? Name me one 12.5 tflops card with 2:1 FP16. I'll wait.

>>61176211
>Angry shareholders is much much worse than angry (and loud) nerds
You're not even thinking about this the right way. At all. You're talking about consumers like they're fucking nothing. If nobody buys this card it's a failure dumbass, they can give investors and shareholders all the blowjobs they want that doesn't mean shit if they can't sell shit.

Also, nobody including shareholders are happy about this so again you're point is fucking retarded to begin with. NOBODY is happy about Vega right now.

>>61176228
>the spec sheet says it's the best REEEEEEEE
This is not how you sell products.

>>61176265
Thank you Huang-san, now can I borrow your marketing division?

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>amdtards suddenly care about shareholders and not consumers
I'm dying here. They accuse intel/nvidiafags about brand loyalty, but this is some new level of cuckoldry.

>>61176211
No, Shareholders being angry is normal in any company, look at Nintendo, their shareholders are fucking furious with them and are trying them to push into mobile gaming for some time now, but Nintendo ignores them.

Angry consumers would mean, less product sales thus less profit even with shareholders opinion being high

>>61176249
>nobody is happy about Vega right now
Loud gaymen shitposting minority on animu forums is TOTALLY irrelevant to Vega sales. And Vega FE sold out anyway.

>>61176300
And consumers give zero shits about Radeon since forever.

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I FUCKING TOLD YOU PEOPLE THIS WOULD HAPPEN

>mfw 2017
>AMD pushing out sandy bridge and maxwell performance
>people actually WAIT for this

>>61176314
>Loud gaymen shitposting minority on animu forums is TOTALLY irrelevant to Vega sales
You have no understanding of business at all. Vega's brand has been damaged in ways that will be hard to fix, that's not a meme that's the reality.

>>61176343
People are in love with Ryzen so far.
AMD GPU division was never really popular, and after AMD was pushing better cards and cheaper prices, nVidia still got away with more GPU sales.
Even ATI was more popular

>>61176350
>Vega's brand
Is DOA. Fucking hell Radeon is totally dead in the eyes of average consumer since fucking forever, anon.

>>61176343
Kill yourself, tripfag.

At least zen is passably decent even if it hasn't beaten intel, vega is just a fucking turd and insult to amd's potential customers. And we're stuck with this indian shitsmear until 2019. Who thought this was acceptable to release?

>>61176441
now this is where you are wrong, VEGA FE is amazing for visualisation problem again is not at what it's good or bad, problem is that OpenCL is not supported by any major company, thus making VEGA FE not very appealing.

wait

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>mfw vega is shit

>>61176439
I'm already dead

>>61179814
Who's this cute boy.

>>61181298
His name is Jen Hsun Huang.

>>61181298
>>61181474
Also known as Lisa Su.

>>61172300
>>61172379
If someone says "this is a complete disgrace how the fuck do you spend all this fucking this with top of the line tech and all you come out with is performance that was obsolete 2 years ago" you should have some remote understanding of what it takes to design a GPU. Fresh GPU designs require at least 2 years in the design pipeline alone, not even considering driver development, licensing, tape-out, certification, risk production. Perhaps you should consider WHY Vega is underperforming and logically bisect what the card had failed to do on the hardware end that causes it to underperform by more than 25% at 60% more cores to a 1080 and less than a 10% clock disadvantage, a massively buffed RBE with primitive discard & culling, TBDR and a myriad of SIMD improvements. You're a fucking retarded butthurt gaymur mongoloid who has 0 idea how things work in the semiconductor industry shitposting on /g/, let alone have worked in it.

CPUs are more profitable for AMD, period. I'm certain Vega will flop for the PC component market but not because it won't be a good performer, but because Pascal has been already so dominant in the area. AMD simply doesn't care. They've carved out a path for Vega to stay in Apple machines and Ryzen APUs and are actively working on bringing it to consumer DNN research and training. The future of computing will not be PC components, unfortunately.

>>61181483
Vega got everything but drivers.

But do they mine buttcoin?????

>>61181608
HBM2.

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>>61181554

>>61169975

GTX480 was piece of junk at launch. There was almost nothing redeeming about it expect for general compute performance. It wasn't even that much better at tessellation then Evergreen.

GF110 was a rebalance/rework of Cuda blocks which allow it finally allow Fermi to beat Evergreen at gaming performance and destroy it at tessellation.

>>61182708
Are you stupid or retarded?

GF110 is the same as GF100, GTFO faggot if you don't know shit

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580

>>61182742
He's just underage b& who only knows about fermi from recycled ebin /g/ memes.

So, is AMD's next GPU going to be a new iteration of their architecture?

From the looks of it Vega is simply a tweaked Fury, and is literally at it's limit. I guess the most disappointing part is that it took them a year to put THIS out.

>>61182845
Vega FE uses Fiji fallback mode to work. The actual Vega features are simply disabled, it works like an overcloked Fiji with worse IPC.

>>61182742

No, it is not. GF110's blocks are restructured differently which addressed the lackluster gaming performance found in GF100.

GF100 was designed to be a GPGPU first and foremost. By the time Nvidia was able to tape out it (after a few delays). AMD released Evergreen. Nvidia knew that GF100 couldn't beat it at gaming performance without resorting to insane clockspeeds which push the limits of TSMC 40nm process. That's why they quickly rework it and came out GF110 six-months after the GF100 was officially released.


GTX 580 is what the 480 should have been at launch.

GF100 was Nvidia's R600.

>>61182870
What are the actual features vega is promising, things more relevant for workstation use or gaming?

>>61182794

I remember when Hercules, Trident, WD, Tsung Labs and several other now defunct vendors who to make display cards (ISA).

>>61182899
>What are the actual features vega is promising
TBDR and primitive shaders are pure gaymen, Vega is all about pushing pixels. Current Vega lineup has no HPC offering, Vega10 is 1/16 FP64.

>>61182895
Wrong again

>Fundamentally GF110 is the same architecture as GF100, especially when it comes to compute. 512 CUDA Cores are divided up among 4 GPCs, and in turn each GPC contains 1 raster engine and 4 SMs. At the SM level each SM contains 32 CUDA cores, 16 load/store units, 4 special function units, 4 texture units, 2 warp schedulers with 1 dispatch unit each, 1 Polymorph unit (containing NVIDIA’s tessellator) and then the 48KB+16KB L1 cache, registers, and other glue that brought an SM together.

Stop embarassing yourself if you don't understand technology

>>61182895
GF110 is simply a base layer respin that keeps GF100 temps and yields in check.

This shit is just underperforming like hell.
I can tell because I has 2 rx480 in crossfire.
that's 72 CUs @ 1266Mhz.
Vega is 64, so it would need to be 1425Mhz for equal TFlops.
Tests position it at around 1385Mhz actual sustained speed. So it should perform 97.2% from my crossfire, even without scaling taken into account.
When it werks in games, crossfire beats a 1080.
Vega FE is 1070 Tear in same games with same power consumption.

>>61182908
Then you're both old and retarded. Congratulations.

>>61182971
>amdtard completely BTFO

i'm confused
so is AMD making gaming cards or not for Vega? isn't Frontier for workstations?

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>>61182991
>crossfire beats a 1080.
Please stop posting you subhuman animal from India.

>>61183433
Frontier is ayyymd Titan but overall slower and it can burn your house.

>>61183444
Yes it does.
When game allows it to.
For me it was Rottr, F1 2016, Middle-earth whatever game, witcher 3, GTA5, elite dangerous and Mankind devided.
All those, I was able to play @ 4K 40-50 fps, if not more.
Games that didn't work were DOOM4 and VR games.

>>61183444
actually, just check the rx580+480 crossfire in the gamernexus graphs.
I get a bit less than that (24000 or so in firestrike)

I'll give AMD the benefit of the doubt, as it seems FE is just an overclocked Fury as it stands, with basically no arch improvement.
But data better come in soon.
I'm that fucking close to ordering a 1080Ti.