/w4v/ - Daily Wait for Vega Thread - Frontier is Here Edition

>>61149166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgGQmna-J3Q

@39min. Vega is DOA

>>61149166
To everyone in this thread FE Vega is NOT RX Vega. RX Vega which will come out a month from now will utterly btfo everything Novydia currently has at a cheaper price point.

>>61149538
>Source: My dad works at Nintendo

>>61149538
In OpenCL performance or gaming performance?
I'll stick with my shitty cuda with 20 GTX 1070s for now.

>>61149538
Sadly it wont

FE is the same chip with more ram...
Expect a 5-10% gain in gaming over what you see here

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-edition-live-benchmarks-performance-tests-pcper/

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>>61149877

>>61149271
>nvidiotperspective podcast

yeah, right, you should trust those people after all the blunders and fud they spread

>>61149770
>FE is the same chip with more ram...
technically with less RAM, because HBM ECC is buffered to hell

>>61149907
>gaming mode doesn't work on current drivers

it's same as running quadro and compare it to 1080 because it's same chip, result will be even worse

>>61149973
gaming mode only changes ui

>>61149166
End July announce release day if begins on September or November...

Shit in game
Shit in workstation
Shit in mining

what the point of this card

>>61150132
>Shit in workstation
it's not.

>>61150137
It is if compare to Quadro

>>61150175
it's faster than q4000, and slightly slower than twice the price q5000

it's perfect small studio workhorse

>>61149907

AMD IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT

>>61149907
I'm Rajeet, AMD marketing president. Delet this image right now or suffer the consequences.

So they just took Fiji and shit on everything instead of fixing it

Is anyone who bought vega FE actually going to run any useful benchmarks? So far they have managed to avoid Doom and Ashes of the singularity, the only games making decent use of new APIs. Then there's not a single openCL benchmark and not a single raytracing benchmark. People seem oblivious what many "pros" use video cards for.

>>61150461
I think pros aren't retarded to make purchase decision on gaming benchmark results.

>>61150650
what kind of benchmarks would you like to see? My card arrives on monday

>>61150662
furmark

The reason its not doing tiled rasterization is it has not been "turned on" yet. Vega is using the fallback rendering method instead of tiled.

When it was first discovered that Maxwell used tiled based rendering there was talk about a lot of software that needed to be written or rewritten in order to utilize it correctly and Nvidia implemented that in their drivers.

Vega is using a predominantly Fiji driver and this feature has not been "turned on" actually all but one of the new features in Vega is not functional right now the exception being the pixel engine being connected to the L2 cache as that is hardwired. I tore apart the new drivers in IDA today and the code paths between Fiji and Vega are very close and only differ slightly.

This arch is a massive change from anything they have released with GCN. They built in fallbacks in the hardware because of the massive changes. Its a protection against poorly written games and helps AMD have a starting point for driver development. Hell even architecturally Vega is essentially Fiji at its most basic thats why it is performing exactly like it because none of its new features are enabled or have a driver published for them yet. It is performing like a Fury X at 1400 MHz because that is exactly how every computer is treating it.

>>61150749
so we just have to wait for fine wine to kick in. i really love waiting for amd to get their shit together.

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siggraph hype?

>>61150662
>what kind of benchmarks would you like to see? My card arrives on monday
Blender cycles in openCL mode, luxrender. ashes of the singularity & doom if you have it. Check the openCL benchmarks on anandtech GPU reviews they usually have a list of scenes and software to use.

>>61151177
Only if they manage to at least partially finish gaymen drivers.

>>61150662
CS:GO

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>>61149166
Forgive me father for I have sinned

>>61151536
Don't worry, you will buy Navi anyway.

>>61151536
>buying ANUS
you sure have

>>61151482
<He is a gaymen

>>61150749
A month until release of the consumer line and the drivers still can't do tiled rasterization. What the fuck are they even doing over at RTG?

>>61151594
Sucking a lot of cock and being much smaller than nVidia's driver team.

D O A
O
A

>>61151727
Hello mr. Huang. How's yields on 815mm^2 die?

>>61151751
Hello mr. Huang. How's yields on GV100?

>>61151790
Hi Huang. How's yields on V100?

>>61151813
How's yields in GV100?

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>61149538
its going to the same fucking chip clocked slightly higher with slightly tweaked drivers. RX will not be substaintially different from FE, AMD can only afford 1 chip design at a time, unlike Intel and Nvidia.

Face it, Vega is a hot, power hungry mess with subpar performance. Vega is no Ryzen, and this was clear from AMD's near radio silence on Vega since January this year. If Vega was any good they would have been showing it at every chance they could like they did with Ryzen. Instead they've barely demo'd it, barely talked about it and the launch is DOA.

Anyone holding out now should get a 1080 or better GPU and be done with it. Really poor show here from AMD. I don't expect Navi to be any different at this rate.

>>61151849
Read the thread.

>>61149538
Just like furyX completely btfo 980Ti?
At best it will match 1080Ti

>>61151874
Read the thread.

>>61151849
>AMD can only afford 1 chip design at a time, unlike Intel and Nvidia.
their hardware is legit but they seem to only be able to afford 1 software engineer at a time also

what >>61150749 said about it basically acting dumb like an overclocked fury sounds likely -
through lack of resources or just sandbagging (or both?)

evil option: sandbag hard and let the hype train derail itself so stocks take a hit and everyone in the know can buy the dip before a few oem announcements jack the stock price back up

gaymurs weren't going to buy their shit anyway

Unless the chips are defective this makes no sense, this would have been scrapped over 15 months ago and they'd shrink Fiji or glue two Polaris 10 together.
Both would do better than this.

>>61152172
Read the damn thread.

>>61152102
All semicon stocks are taking a nosedive right now.

https://imgur.com/a/tiggh

DOA

>>61152324
Read the thread.

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>>61150199
>it's faster than q4000
DOA, this shit draw 300w

>>61152519
It draws less power that q4000

>>61150199
>q4000

You know than the Quadro P4000 have less cuda core than even the GTX 1070...

>>61149907

POOR VEGA

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>>61152556
>vega frontier draw less power than p4000

>>61149973
>it's same as running quadro and compare it to 1080 because it's same chip, result will be even worse
But the Quadro matches or beats the 1080 in games

WAIT FOR NAVI

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All those more pipeline joke on intel, amd doing it. you could have stop this

>>61152672
There's a difference between making bibeline some 2 stages longer to achieve higher clocks and going from 20 to 31 stages for no fucking reason.

>THEY WAITED FOR THIS TURD

>>61152706
No one waited for Vega FE? Most kids want gaymen cards.

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>>61152672
I really hope there's some drivers problems with this because at the moment pic related seems to be more accurate

>>61152558
you know that 1070 is utterly useless as workstation card?

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>mfw Vega

I can only hope Nvidia won't go full jew like Intel did.

>>61152905
they already did twice over intel

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Where the fuck are my drivers Raja, you said there would be drivers.

>They trusted a poo

I can understand that you trusted the chink, she knew what she was doing.

But a poo? Shame on you fools.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6kdwea/vega_fe_doesnt_seem_to_be_doing_tiled/djld98t/

>The reason its not doing tiled rasterization is it has not been "turned on" yet. Vega is using the fallback rendering method instead of tiled.

>When it was first discovered that Maxwell used tiled based rendering there was talk about a lot of software that needed to be written or rewritten in order to utilize it correctly and Nvidia implemented that in their drivers.

>Vega is using a predominantly Fiji driver and this feature has not been "turned on" actually all but one of the new features in Vega is not functional right now the exception being the pixel engine being connected to the L2 cache as that is hardwired. I tore apart the new drivers in IDA today and the code paths between Fiji and Vega are very close and only differ slightly.

>This arch is a massive change from anything they have released with GCN. They built in fallbacks in the hardware because of the massive changes. Its a protection against poorly written games and helps AMD have a starting point for driver development. Hell even architecturally Vega is essentially Fiji at its most basic thats why it is performing exactly like it because none of its new features are enabled or have a driver published for them yet. It is performing like a Fury X at 1400 MHz because that is exactly how every computer is treating it.

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This is new Intel graphic processor unit, yes?

>>61153644
I'd trust a poo than a leather jacket man of 1.7% yields and many woodscrews.

>>61153544
Raja explicitly said there wont be drivers and wait for RX

>>61153781
yes
it's Intel's and AMD's partnership
Intel provides CPU housefires
AMD provides GPU housefires
perfect housefire combo

>>61151849
>AMD can only afford 1 chip design at a time, unlike Intel and Nvidia.

They managed to do Polaris 10 and 11 simultaneously, while working on Zen.

>suddenly no crying wojaks shitting the board
Confirmed that amdtards are the biggest cancer on this board and all of them are back to r/amd after vega turned out to be a turd.

Seems like they used the "old" drivers for FE Vega because it's more stable. Which is more important for a workstation/prosumer card.

They probably have the gaming drivers but aren't ready to release them because of bugs. RX Vega should have them, but who knows what kind of state they'll be in.

>>61155531
The mods deleted crying wojak threads earlier today. The shitposters aren't on AMD's side.

>>61151536
I can't wait to laugh at you later

>>61155613
o rly?

>>61155624
>>61155653
>>61155702

Something just doesn't add up.
It's fucking worse than my crossfire RX480@ 1266Mhz.
And it draws about the same power.

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>>61155731
>implying those are shitposts

>>61149748
>tfw your uncle worked for Nintendo (advertising) and nobody ever believes you. fpbfamalamadingdongaroni

>>61149166
>AMD releases Vega just as the last of the 1080s fly off the shelf in the hands of miners.

SHADILAY

>>61155779
the drivers are not there.

>>61155779
see
>>61153772
It's using old drivers because the new ones aren't stable enough yet. And since it's a workstation card, stability is more important. tl;dr wait for RX Vega.

>>61155731
So fucking report them, numbnuts.

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>>61155837
janny sirs pls delete. you pajeets are the worst possible people for marketing and it shows through your tactics. similar to how indians act in real life. boisterous, obnoxious and over confident when you actually live in third world country.

>wait for vega XD ;)
>vega will btfo nvidiots
actually turns out to be a turd similar to what you guys look and smell like

>>61151594
GCN cards never did tile based deferred rasterization you fucking retarded mong.

>gaming vs non-gaming drivers don't change anything including performance
>pars 1080ti in FO4 and gets flattened in GTA/Metro by even the 1080
>buffered ECC RAM
>worse clock for clock than Fiji with a wider rasterizer end w/ primitive discard, longer piperline, interconnect cache
>releasing 4 weeks early to RX Vega as a content creation/prosumer card
>new ROCm released RIGHT after FE was dropped

If this doesn't make it glaringly obvious that Vega isn't ready I don't know what does. It doesn't mean it's going to be a 1080ti killer, it just means that it's not ready for "gaymen" yet. In fact, I would wager it's not even ready for workstation tasks yet, seeing that it gets only 35MH/s. RTG's software team is probably on hell month this entire month scrambling to get it ready for SIGGRAPH and RX Vega, where Huang will show off their own housefire GPU. Indeed, this is the curse of having R&D (total of which is half of nVidia's which in itself is like a 6th of Intel's) fractured among CPU, SoC, GPU, and fucking even SSDs and memory. There's probably like 3 of them sitting in a room being whipped by Lisa Su as we speak.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Vega-Codename-265481/News/AMD-Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-Tiled-Based-Rasterizer-Test-1231996/

short version: it's basically operating like Fiji and all the new architecture features are still disabled in the driver.

>>61150749
So they copied things that requires even more driver optimization to work. AMD's gpus are already underutilized thanks to drivers and these retards somehow thought adding more driver work was a good idea.

All of RTG needs to be gassed

>>61156033
Yeah, AMD needs to grow to the level they can support all this shit, or just consolidate, because putting out half a dozen incomplete products isn't helping.

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>People using the Vega FE for games
>Basing their opinions on the card and Vega as a whole on gaming benchmarks

I'm a tech illiterate mouthbreather, and even I know this is wrong

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>>61149166
>Be AMD wait fag
>Wait for mid-range GPU
>Wait for it to be released in retail.
>Wait for it to immediately sell out.
>Wait for them to come back in stock
>Wait for crypto buy bots to snap them up.
>Wait for crypto bubble to burst, so you beat the buy bots.
>Wait several product lines to get a 2nd market one.

Should have gone Nvidia.

>>61156454
Quadros game just fine although they're expensive.
FE is indicative of RX performance, it's the same silicon. This b-but it's a pro card is just amd marketing excuse while trying to squeeze some performance in the next month.

>>61156977
FE uses modified Fiji drivers.

>>61156994
>wait some more for drivers 50% increase goy
yeah wait for it

>>61156454

Quadros are workstation card with workstation drivers and they run games...

Vega is DOA

>>61157108
FE Vega will get actual gayman drivers .. maybe after RX Vega launches.

Workstation performance is on par with a Quadro twice it's price. And this may improve with better drivers as well. >>61129462

>>61157177
This Vega has no software profiles. It's incorrect to compare it to Quadro. And since nVidia killed Titan, it has no competitors.

>>61156664
You should go with the card that fulfills your necessities for the least amount of money and with good quality.
In some cases it is Nvidia, in others it is AMD.
Locking yourself to either brand is doing a disservice to yourself.
I was going to buy a Rx580 8Gb, but in my country the 1060 6GB is considerably cheaper.
If it was the other way around I would've switched, considering they have very comparable performance.

>>61157276
The only reason to buy amd card now is if you're a cryptonigger, and that's only valid for polaris. If you can find them at retail price.

>>61157316
Well, I was gonna buy one because they were supposed to be cheaper. But that was not the case. I also liked the performance.
But since I haven't bought anything yet, I may as well wait for Rx Vega and see if it's worth it, although I'm fairly sure it'll be a tad above my budget. But until there I can save enough.

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https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/880841367076917248

WEW
E
W

>564mm2 die size
>HBM2
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review

Vega confirmed for at least $550 turd.

>>61158421
Where did you get the die size number from?

>>61158475
https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-GPU-and-PCB-Exposed

>>61158667
What on Earth makes it SO BIG?

>>61158755
>815mm^2
NOVIDEO IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT!

NOVIDEOPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>Die size: 27.85mm x 20.25mm (GPU only, not including memory stacks)
>Area: 564mm2

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT!

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>>61158735
The cooler, jackass.

>>61158781
He's talking about the die size retard.

>>61158803
He didn't specify, so he might not be.
Provide proof that he is? Oh wait, you can't unless it was you - and if it was you, learn how to ask a question properly.

>>61158817
Did you even read the previos posts, retard.

>>61158817
lmao

>>61158817
You're retarded, read the previous posts dumbass.

>>61149166
From PC Perspective:

"In general, our game benchmarks put the Vega FE somewhere between the GeForce GTX 1070 and the GTX 1080"

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Conclusionsfor-now

My Ryzen 7 + 1080 Ti looks like it was a great choice now.

>>61158876
>There is still potential that AMD will be able to find some additional performance in the product before the consumer launch, either in drivers and efficiency improvements, higher clocks, or maybe better binning. At most, I could see AMD adding another 10% to the results we see with an odd case of a significantly under-developed part of the driver stack going beyond that.

Wait for RX Vega(tm).

>>61158937
They should start with enabling tiled rasterization and primitve shaders in Vega FE driver.

>>61158965
It's pretty clear the new drivers with all features enabled aren't ready. They just pushed this to launch to assauge shareholders that yes, Vega exists and can be bought in stores. Angry shareholders > Angry nerds.

>>61158937
What is the point you're trying to make? At most 10% performance on a card between a 1070 and 1080? The card better cost $300 to be competitive at that point.

Which I mean, if it is a $300 card, awesome! But it's not a flagship card.

>>61158998
Look at the workstation benchmarks for your answer. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Professional-Testing-SPEC

>>61158995
Well, i guess Intel did the same with SKL-X.
IT EXISTS PRAISE GODS
but 14-16 core SKUs are coming much-much later, later than TR.

>>61158867
That's below me, pleb.
>>61158838
LOL no I didn't even notice the reply link at first

>>61158066
>bbBUT the gaming drivers didn't come out because they focussed on getting the pro dirvers good!
fucking Rajesh.

>>61159013
I still don't understand. The RX isn't going to be a workstation card.

Could you spell it out for me? Sorry I'm just not following.

>>61154116
they also worked on vega at the same as well.

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>>61159084
I thought you were talking about FE Vega. For RX Vega, if they can even get that 10-15% performance increase from better drivers, it will reach 1080 levels. It's a lot closer to 1080 than it is to 1070.

>>61159120
>10-15% performance increase from better drivers
Fucking hell, it won't be BETTER drivers, it will be WORKING drivers. And the increase is going to be much much bigger due to TBR working alone.

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There's a few benchmarks where it's really close to the 1080, if they can just get that push to better performance on RX Vega, it'll be better positioned to take on the 1080 at a $450-$500 price point.

>>61159153
It's 564mm^2 die, anon.

>>61159139
>And the increase is going to be much much bigger due to TBR working alone.
just wait

For what fucking reason did they release Vega FE with drivers disabling both TBR and Primitive Shaders?

>>61159194
see
>>61158995

>>61158995
>Vega exists and can be bought in stores
>Implying anyone would buy this turd.
They even lost the cryptokike market

>>61159161
How much do you think RX Vega is going to sell for?

>>61159244
>Angry shareholders > Angry nerds
Can you read?
>>61159255
$650-700.
>>61159244
RTG needs to understand that it's mindshare that matters on consumer GPU market. I mean sandbagging werked REALLY nice with EPYC resulting in Intel spreading literaly FUD but...

>>61159280
AMD won't sell a single card if all they can get is ~1080 performance for $700. The cheapest 1080 on pcpartpicker is $500. They might as well dump them in a river.

>>61159280
CPU and GPU market are totally different. Nvidia has the professional market because they provide proper software support. AMD just shits some iron and expects someone else to do their job.

>>61159333
Because it's not ~1080 performance you retard. You don't know how well Vega performs when it's not running in Fiji-mode. No one knows.
>>61159341
>AMD just shits some iron and expects someone else to do their job.
Good shit that's not a thing anymore.

>>61159362
>You don't know how well Vega performs when it's not running in Fiji-mode. No one knows.
RX Vega better have working drivers or it's DOA.

>>61159379
Maybe they'll release some updates for Vega FE driver enabling some features. That 564mm^2 is doing fuckall right now.

>>61159362
>Good shit that's not a thing anymore.
They can't even get proper drivers running at launch. You expect them to penetrate the quadro and tesla markets. Your delusions are hilarious.

Hey guys I work at AMD and I'm breaking NDA to tel you this

Vega is scrapped (being worked on to compete with Volta but has serious architecutre problems)
Current Vega FE and RX Vega are actually big-die polaris refresh.

That why the drivers don't have Vega feature enabled - they do not exist actually in the silicon.

ok thank

>>61159399
Yet HBCC was demoed and worket. :^)
>>61159397
>tesla
Piss easy, just offer more compute/watt.

>>61159411
All they currently offer is underperforming expensive HUEG housefire die with no drivers.
>inb4 just wait

>>61159441
>underperforming
It performs very well in compute.

>>61156068
raja needs to go

Vega Frontier got released with pretty cruddy drivers because you can't actually optimize for shit without some prosumers using the card. Drivers won't be an issue. That's something completely fixable given more time. Especially for Rx Vega seeing as it can seriously mooch off of Frontier's optimization for a full month.

The heat and that retarded blower cooler will be. Might look cool but doesn't cool for shit apparently. Cards hitting 80 degrees Celsius then throttling towards 1.4Ghz. So it'll be definitely worth it to wait for an aftermarket to hit the stores, that's the one thing we know for sure. Aside from that, ATI cards have pretty much always turned out to be the best bang for buck given the long support their cards usually get. So i'm just gonna wait™ some more.

>>61159450
Every sane professional would buy p4000 at $900 just for quadro drivers and cuda alone.

>>61159492
CUDA is horse turd in visualisation.

>>61154116
Both tiny house which are architecturally just GCN with uncore changes

>>61159411
Do the needful and delete this my friend

Are these cards gonna be really overpriced due to miners?

>>61159969
Not really, since HBM2 is shit for mining.

>>61159969
Price is looking about fury x levels and 1070 is better miner. Vega is shit at everything.

>>61159969

Nah, shit at mining.

In any case, it apparently fucking delivers in perf/price for workstation loads, so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for now and see what rx vega can bring to the table.

tldr: 1080ti added to the cart, but not checking out yet

>>61160629
>Nah, shit at mining.

Do we have anyone confirming how it behaves with mining?

People keep saying that HBM = bad for mining. But with HBM being so fucking fast and with lower latency, there is simply no reason for this to be true. The only thing I can imagine is the 4GB limit on HBM, which does not come into the equation because this card has 16GB of HBM2.

The other thing I can imagine is people saying it over and over to start a meme so miners don't buy up the entire stock of the card.

>>61161062
the guy with 550w psu said it was about 30-35 at ethereum.
pcper couldn't make it work.

>>61161377
ok, how much is that compared to a rx580?

>>61161546
580 makes about 22-24 at the start.

>>61155725
I hope it does perform that well, I might just grab Navi later if it turns out good.
For now I am satisfied with 4K 50~60fps 67 degrees C compared to the unplayable 20~30 I was getting on a 980 hitting 80 degrees C.

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>>61161709
>playing sub60fps 4k

Can somebody give me the redpill on the vega FE and what it means for RX vega. no shill responses please

>>61162695
wait indefinitely now
>>61162547

>>61149166
trainwreck

>>61162695
>1060 perf
>250w power consumption
>500$
>DOA or scrapped (hopefully the latter)

I'm sorry.

If they cant fix the drivers, I too would expect it to be scrapped. Sorry but this performance and power consumption is worse then underwhelming, worse then bulldozer launch.

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>>61149166
I just love how companies hype their products to be more than what they can, giving some form of hope for a game changing development for the community. I had hope for this card, even though I'm a hardcore nvidia fan.

DOA

>>61165403
>being a hardcore fan of either nvidia or amd
Why?

>>61165400
>too would expect it to be scrapped.
>all cash gains in the CPU dep going into bailing RTG out
>King Pajeet fired and sent to the nearest designated street
>AMD is back to square 1

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>>61158066

>>61158066
smirking fabulous hair at it again

>>61165716
>all cash gains in the CPU dep going into bailing RTG out
considering how RTG was the only thing that saved AMD CPUs from dying out i'd say it's fair

also you are overestimating how much RTG costs to operate, they are small fraction of nvidia budgets

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>>61165716
>mfw AMD sells RTG and it becomes ATI again
Well that went better than expected...

>>61161062
If you're not using Lyra2RE coins, neck yourself.

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>>61166149
>ATI again

Is the wait over?

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>>61166305
>mfw I have been always been waiting for Navi/Volta

>>61162649
Only game I have that dips to 50 is the witcher 3, even then it sits at 60fps most of the time with hairworks off when clocked to 2Ghz boost.

>>61159513
You could say the same about anything Nvidia since Fermi

>>61152519
Small studios don't care much about power consumption, they aren't running farms nor data centers

>>61156094
Their half dozen incomplete products still shit all over Intel and are competitive with Nvidia on some parts of the market
>>61153644
>the newfriend doesn't know about the 9700
>>61157043
>just ignore that the architecture it's a radical redesign from the previous chips
>>61159969
With current drivers and VBIOS it's doing worse than Polaris
Miners might get to exploit more performance, but it probably won't improve much since most of the important changes Vega brings aren't going to improve compute heavily
>>61162695
It means RX Vega might be delayed until the driver teams finish their shit, or we might see a paper launch
>>61162828
>yeah I will just lie no one will suspect my shitposts
It does better than Fury X and the 1070

Frontier is an early adopter card, so... issues are to be expected.

If it's equivalent to RX Vega's highest SKU its a little disappointing though. the only thing to hope for is drivers are a mess and performance will increase with optimisation.

>>61167805
It's not about driver optimization. It's about enabling fucking uarch features.

What are your prediction for price and features for the Vega SKUs?

I'm fairly sure 3 were confirmed.

>>61167905
There's going to be 56CU, 64CU editions. Maybe a Nano-like.

>>61167905
Too expensive with holy shit thats hot features, stupidly expensive with my PCB is literally boiling, absurdly expensive with holy shit, AMD really have perfected their fusion architecture, there is a self sustaining fireball in my computer.

>>61168393
You just described consumer Volta but whatever.

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>tfw still have a 770 and was hoping for good news about Vega so I could upgrade
Should I just buy a 1080 or what

>>61168413
Yes, buy nvidia, gweilo.

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>tfw that duocore fermi guy who was going to build a nice new amd system but now this
>refuse to mix and match amd nvidia

>>61168417
The chinks haven't failed me yet

>>61159153
Sad!

>>61168413
condolences, should've got 390 two years back

>>61168426
This is the worst moment to buy any GPU, even the 1080Ti has been hit with the crypto premium and every 4 year old used GCN cards have hefty premiums
Wait until supply stabilizes again

>>61168439
>haven't failed
you own 770, unless you only play games from 2010 your life must be miserable

I am still hoping for 1080ti tier performance as that is what I desire. If vega does not deliver on that front I would rather sit on my 290x (at 1080p) for another year than purchase an Nvidia card as I dislike them as a company. At least by waiting my intended goal for vega (that is to say, a 4k system) will be cheaper down the line as more 4k screens become a available - especially those with freesync 2 support.

Something still feels wrong about these vega FE benchmarks as (in simplistic terms) gpus don't suffer enormous IPC (as far as the term can be applied to a gpu - I know gpus work essentially on inverse IPC) regressions given how easy it is to go wide with designs. Especually given AMD has a long history of well engineered gpu architectures for the most part. Even fiji is a good chip for a lot of workloads - the real issue is really fiji should be a pro card but that would never work with only 4gb of vram.

>>61151849
got a gtx 1070 instead of vegan

>>61168491
I know. I'm expecting it will be ok by december. hopefully

>>61168503
may as well wait for volta, getting 1070 now is waste of money even if you can get one at base price

>>61167685
wasn't poo made

>>61151849
RX Vega is not going to be 1:2 fp32 thus it's going to draw less power.

Kinda like p6000 draws 500watts and Titan X draws only quarter of that

>>61168502
it will be 10% below 1080ti for $500 at 300w, per usual

>>61168543
titan x draws 250-290

>>61168555
Well, half of that then, forgot that TDP is useless measurement.

>>61168541
Raja Koduri was the lead architect for R300 and thus the 9700

>>61168543
>RX Vega is not going to be 1:2 fp32
that's my last hope, product separation
like nvidia does it, I don't even care if it slightly hurts dx12
seriously do not want to go back to nvidia

>>61168543
P6000 eats fuckton of power because you can't use power saving tricks when doing pure compute workloads.

WAIT FOR NAVI

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>>61168623
The fact is the Quadro P100 is the compute card

>>61168548

Which would be enough for me given I am certainly not afraid of overclocking.

>>61168651
We're talking P6000 aka full gp102, not gp100.

>>61149166
Is that tile based rasterizer thing dependent on new hardware features or is it just a software thing?

Could AMD enable this for older cards if they finally get it working with their drivers?

>>61168694
It's a feature of Vega. And it needs drivers. Good drivers.

>power limited
>already faster than GTX 1080 with Fiji drivers
With fully enabled drivers it's going to be faster than 1080ti. In a water cooled system it's going to be a monster.

>>61168694
its hardware thing
it took nvidia a few months to make it work with drivers on maxwell, can only guess how long it takes AMD

>>61168739
That depends on how efficient their tiling is, and how good primitive shaders are.

>>61168747
so basically we still do not know shit about vega, nothing changed besides some compute info and the fact that it can get to 1600mhz on air, kind of, barely

>>61168704
>>61168740
Damn. Here I was hoping I could hang on to my 200€ Fury (thank you, ebay) a bit longer.

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>>61168739

The only real debate is if on RX vega they go full cover block, die cooling or a hybrid setup. Full over would be the best but thats a lot of added cost. Hybrid being second best so those frms don't fry but realistically they will just do what they did with fury and heatpipe the vrms which will get toasty.

That said the radon pro duo has a great internal block.

>>61168739
>+300w

>>61168845
RX will all be AIB

>>61168813
Yes. Sandbagging worked really well on EPYC, fuck me, it resulted in Intel going full autistic screeching mode and saying their Xeons are proven and battle tested after firing validation teams.

>>61168867

>RX will all be AIB

I wouldn't be surprised if the tippest toppest model can only be sold as a reference design (ala titan range and fury x).

MSI Marketing director: "Don't compare Vega FE too much with RX Vega"

https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/51759395#51759395

>>61169408
God fucking dammit they just need to enable TBR and Primitive Shaders on Vega FE so every faggot in existence will shut up. God fucking dammit RTG always fucks the marketing up.

>>61169408
rx vega will even be a bigger disappointment, kek

>>61169427
t. Jen Hsun Huang

>>61169427
Wait for Drivers(tm).

>>61169417
it's obviously more than just a few features disabled
if the card can go down to 200w usage when it heats up without lowering clock speeds it's fucking obvious the drivers are just completely broken.

>>61169790
Well I guess at least Vega exists.

>>61167685
>>the newfriend doesn't know about the 9700

You do realise you shills do AMD no favours by saying "Just go back 15 years, it's good!"

>>61157177
>Workstation performance is on par with a Quadro twice it's price.

In 1 medical software benchmark, and falls behind the fucking $450 P2000 in several others.

>>61158066

>BUT IT'S NOT FOR GAMING IT'S FOR WORKSTATIONS!

>>61169881
p2000 falls behind firepro polaris for 600

>>61169881
More results here https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Professional-Testing-SPEC

>>61168892
threadripper too desu
that i9 freakout was amazing

>>61158066

>Those assmad shills

>FAKE NEWS
>PROVE IT

Holy fuck, imagine being this much of a drone for FREE.

>>61160629
>In any case, it apparently fucking delivers in perf/price for workstation loads

Yeah, being worse than a $450 Quadro in 6 of 11 benchmarks is really going to explode this market.

Hell, no ECC memory either? Get that bitch in my PC, I need to render with my errors!

>>61165465

I like top tier performance, and it's been a decade since AMD could do that. Sorry pajeet, try harder next time.

>>61166305

Nope, now you wait for drivers.

Then once those come and it's still 1070 performance, you will be told to wait for for the first of 6 Vega rebrands while you wait for Navi.

>>61169961
Working drivers will push it at least to 1080 levels. Won't be enough, though.

>>61169961
>way smaller R&D investiment
>using newer unexplored technology
>smaller SPU with slower clock but high count to compensate
>known for it's driver issues
>somehow in 2017 people still expect they will pull out something that will destroy Nvidia lineup

Don't you learn? AMD will never deliver, they will just at max, give us another option. RX Vega will be between 1070 and 1080 and cheaper. Expect Vega for air and Vega X for water cooling.

>>61170018

t. Huang

>>61169790

The clock speed is measured every 1 second so it might not be accurate measurement.

PS. faggot mods are ridiculously butthurt about AMD's failure and are handing over bans and warnings for criticizing Vega.

>>61169961
DESU I'm waiting for Navi already. I have two R9 Furies so unless Vega is miraculously the performance king I won't be upgrading until Navi.

>>61170168
>The clock speed is measured every 1 second
iirc during the livestream he said he set it to 1/10th of a second and the power was bouncing between 200 and 240w for a few seconds, so if it was affecting clock speeds it should've been noticed.

>>61169921
They have parental attatchment to amd.

who gives a shit about ayyMD GPUs when the market is biased towards NVIDIA in drivers and marketing?

>>61168739
>it's going to be a monster
t. amdfag dying in fiery inferno

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Early-Overclocking-and-Te

>Set power target to +20%, was drawing ~350 watts

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>61171244
>WC block version is rated at 375W
expecting 400W+ considering amd history

>believe shitposters on >>>/g/
>"I know hardware and these things"
>you buy what they've virally marketed
>less than half the performance of the other brands
>go onto >>>/g/
>join them in their shitposting
>shitposting as a defense mechanism for your retarded ass buying anything endorsed on >>>/g/

>>61172845
that's liberalism in a nutshell

>>61169940
sir please have understaning
we worked very hard to deliver this very nice card
plese wait for drivers

>>61172989
It's so close it's scary. Lol.

>>61152590
we only have seen p6000 on a single game and nothing more
saying that quadro with pro drivers will beat a 1080 is just stupid
first of all just like fe quadro has another microdoce
second nvidia will never ever let a quadro being used as a gaming card what so ever
third quadro is the same chip as 1080 but vega fe has many other hardware features that rx vega wont have mainly security and vm shit directly tied into hbm
vega fe is a card made for people that have a vr rt or going to develop games for amd the pro drivers will have the full set of profilers that amd has on xbox

>>61158066
It was a bug in Blender.

>Cycles: Pass all buffers to each kernel call for OpenCL
>Technically not passing all buffers used by a kernel is undefined
behavior. We haven't had any issues with this so far on AMD or
Nvidia, but it's known to be a problem with Intel and we received
a report from AMD that this is a problem on newer hardware, so we
need to make this change at some point.

Tried to link the blender issue but 4chan thinks it's fucking spam. https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/B/repository/master/

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>>61151536
Buying 1080ti now is just like shitting pants outside loo doors without opening them after running mile to it. Not holding it for just few more steps so you can open doors (wait for gaming card benches) and see if toilet is passably clean (good performance for good price) or did pajeet shit all over the walls. (Vego is overpriced with crap performance).

Enjoy your woodscrews!

>>61173798
>rajeesh is this buttflustered

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>can't change email on rizon

Why is this acceptable

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>61173830
You must do better to earn (you)

>>61168496
I can play many modern games at medium. I don't see how its the chink's fault and not my own that I haven't upgraded, though.

>>61153544
Sorry Liza I spent all the time drinking fine wine and smoking Cubans.

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>>61159471
>immersion heater
Now I understand this slide

>>61161593
So we know for a fact that the 580 is capable of 31 MH/s with proper bios modifications and overclocking and we don't know how high the vega FE might go, but going by the 30-35 out-of-the-box rumor the absolute best best best case scenario would be 45 MH/s.
So a 50% increase for more than twice the power consumption and three times the price. Bravo Pajeet

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Just like Ryzen the games will require patches as well as driver updates in order to take full advantage of the NCU architecture. I guarantee it!

>>61176058
They should enable TBDR first.

>>61176034
>implying that's a bad thing

>>61173631
pastebin

>>61176105
https://pastebin.com/tVuwaLCV

>>61176058

Doesn't matter - /g/ has already declared both ryzen and vega shit because muh Intel and Nvidia.

>>61172891
>Being so cripplingly autistic that you have to shove politics into everything.

I feel bad for your family.

>>61176204
t.butthurd liebrul

>>61176222
Please apologize to your Mother and tell her that you're going to get better. She has such a difficult job caring for you.

>>61176356
I wouldn't call the bitch making tendies a "difficult job".